1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Joel, You know, Labor Day. That was one of those 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: holidays that I had a difficult time remembering when it 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: was Memorial Day. In Labor Day when I first entered 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: into adulthood with my first job, I remember thinking, wait, 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: is that the holiday that's in the fall or we 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: talked about the one that's in the spring. I don't 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: think you're the only one who gets so confused. I 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: also never remember are you supposed to wear white? Yes 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: after Labor Day or no? After Labor Day? I don't 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't know the fashion rules. Well I remember now 11 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: because with our youngest, our son, he was born Labor 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Day week, and so now forever I will remember that 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Labor Day is, in fact the holiday here in the fall. 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Of course, this is when we celebrate all of the 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: folks out there who are working hard to support themselves 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: and their families as well. And yeah, we decided that 17 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: what better way for us to celebrate Labor Day and 18 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: then to take some time off and and not prepare 19 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: for an entirely new episode instead spend some extra time 20 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: with our families, maybe going some other adventures that we 21 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: had in mind. So even though we released a new 22 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: episode on Monday of this week. We're like, all right, well, 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna take Monday off and not recorded episode for Wednesday, 24 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: and so every of knows we I mean, we record 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: slightly ahead of time. Yeah, we're not recording on the 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: exact same day, right, So and because of that also 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: we we we feel like we had a perfect episode 28 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: that fit right for the Labor Day week. And and 29 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: this one in particular is about striving for work life 30 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: balance and matter. A lot of people, I think have 31 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: found that harder to come by in working from home 32 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: COVID times, the lines are a little bit blurred for 33 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot more blurred some people 34 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: still working from their beds or off their couch, which 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, we've had other episodes with experts like Laura 36 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Vanderkamp about how to work from home effectively, But this 37 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: in particular is an episode that you and I did 38 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: about what it looks like to achieve balance in your life. 39 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, all work and no play makes 40 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: us dull people, and so finding that balance, striking that 41 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: balance is really important for our own mental health and 42 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: for the general well being of our families. That's right, 43 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: And we'll have a fresh Friday Flight episode for you 44 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: here on Friday, so you can look forward to that. So, Joel, 45 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: without any further ado, striving for Work Life Balance. Welcome 46 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: to How the Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt, and 47 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: today we're discussing striving for work life Balance. Yeah, Joel, 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: the percentage of professional college educated workers working over fifty 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: hours a week and that has dramatically increased over the 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: past few decades. And I think this is something our 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: listeners can resonate with as well. I'm sure there have 52 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: been times in everyone's life where you feel like you're 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: just working way too much, and so I think it's 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: great that we're gonna discuss some of the things that 55 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: can lead to over working in that imbalance in our 56 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: work life balance, as well as things that we can 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: do to fix that as well. Yeah, for sure, I 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great conversation. I'm looking forward 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: to it. But Matt, before we get to that, you 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: just got a new bike for you, a little five 61 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: year old and it looks pretty sweet. Tell me more 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: about it is very sweet, man. Yeah, Well, so Clover, 63 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: she has been really into biking, like she rides like 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: we have a little balance bike that we only keep 65 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: inside the house. It's like this, it stays clean, it's 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: really lightweight, and we're like, no, you can't take that 67 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: bike outside, but she rides it all the time inside 68 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: and need somewhere outside. She also loves riding on the 69 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: balance bike, and so you know, we thought for her birthday, 70 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: she like, she's a perfect candidate for you know, stepping 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: it up to the next level, skipping the training wheels 72 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and going with this fancy bike that I came across 73 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: a few years ago. It's it's by this company called Womb. Well, 74 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: I will say to the whole reason behind balance bikes, 75 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: the purposes to skip training wheels all together. Yeah, exactly. 76 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: There are a lot of arguments out there that say that, 77 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the balance is the hardest part, so it 78 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: can be a lot easier for folks to skip training 79 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: wheels all together and goes straight to like a big 80 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: kid bike. Like I mentioned though, So womb is this 81 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: company that came across a few years ago, and they 82 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: make bikes specifically for like little kids. The center of 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: gravity is really low to the ground and the little cranks, 84 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, like they got their little feet pedaling. They're 85 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: also really short, so that the you know their feet 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: are always close to the ground in case they need 87 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: to kind of set feet down for like a quick stop. 88 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: They've just thought through all these different design decisions with 89 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: like a little kid writer in mind. But here's the thing, man, 90 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: these bikes are not cheap. Like this is not a 91 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: frugal or cheap segment. This is more like a splurge 92 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: segment of our show, because like, these bikes can cost 93 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: a few hundred bucks for the little ones, like for 94 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: the littlest ones, And I will say I was a 95 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: little bit more frugal this particular company. They have a 96 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: a nice eBay store where they do sell some used ones. 97 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: They don't have a ton of them, and so that's 98 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: where we actually purchased hours for Clover. But I think 99 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: it's good for us to to talk about this because 100 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: we talk about biking a lot, right, Like It's something 101 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: that you and I that we both value. It's something 102 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: that I want to see, you know, as part of 103 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: my family culture. And yes, these little bikes are pretty expensive, 104 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: But what I'm specifically looking for is is for you know, 105 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: my kids to have a great experience as they learned 106 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: how to ride bikes. So that is something that they 107 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: can take to a little more easily, right than if 108 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: they were to you know, pick up that secondhand huffy 109 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: which we hat picks up literally on the side of 110 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: the road. Like I've got three or four bikes in 111 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: our cross base in our basement because folks, I mean, 112 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: they toss them out. It's like, oh, this is a great, 113 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: perfectly fine bike, but in fact they're crazy heavy. You 114 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: know that these wound bikes are really lightweight. They're not 115 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: designed for new riders in mind, like and a lot 116 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: of times do they have the coaster break, which you know, 117 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: kid bikes in the US they're required to have a 118 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: coaster break. But again there's all these reports talking about 119 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: how like that is a more difficult way for a 120 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: kid to stop the bike because it puts them off balance. 121 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: And so all of their bikes they have actual handbrakes. Uh, 122 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: start teaching them from an early age that that is 123 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: how you stop the bike. Yeah, that's great, And I 124 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: think it's always good for us to be able to 125 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: share the ways in which we have spent more money 126 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: and potentially regretted it, and and then and then the 127 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: ways in which we've spent more money and we feel 128 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: like it's really paid off. And it sounds like this 129 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: bike for Clover has been just this step up from 130 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: the balance bike, and that she's really enjoying bike riding. 131 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: She loves it, like literally, I mean, it's been raining 132 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: a lot recently, but every stinking day after school she 133 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: wants to go outside and ride her bike. And I'm like, oh, 134 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's been raining for like five days in 135 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: a row. We can't go out again. But no joke. 136 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: When we first got it, it took her two or 137 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: three minutes to get started riding on that thing. And 138 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: you could not have seen me smiling any bigger than 139 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, seeing one of my kids ride a bike, 140 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: ride a big kid bike for the first time ever. 141 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: I was so proud, so happy. And it's totally worth 142 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: the money when that happens, right, Yes, that's a great 143 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: investment right there, And truly is I mean, we we 144 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: we I'm kind of finicky about using the word investment, 145 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: but really I really only want to use it and 146 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: when I'm talking about something that is going to pay 147 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: off in the end, uh, And we use investment about 148 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: buying couches or just stupid stuff that actually isn't really 149 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: an investment. But but a bike is kind of an 150 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: investment in your kids future for loving biking. That's going 151 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: to save them money in the long term. So I 152 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: think I can use it appropriately in that context. Yeah, Man, 153 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: It's something else that I feel like you could get behind, 154 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: is that this specific bike, it's gonna work for two 155 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: other kids. Like, We've got two more kids who will 156 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: be able to ride on that bike. And so when 157 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: you know that you can take a purchase like that 158 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: and stretch it out, You're not just dividing it by 159 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: one kid, You're dividing it by three kids. That is 160 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: a lot of use. And uh we I'll let you 161 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: guys borrow it soon as well, so you can kind 162 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: of get a field for it. Man, it sounds good. 163 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: I get you on board, all right, Matt, let's talk 164 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: about the beer that we're having on the show today. 165 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: Our friends Waffles on Wednesday. They write a blog about 166 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: pursuing financial independence, and they tossed a beer away last 167 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: time they were in town. This one's called I learned 168 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: it by watching you, and it's a collaboration by literally 169 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: two of our favorite breweries, Burial and Other Half. I've 170 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: been to both breweries, Matt, and I love what these 171 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: guys are pumping out, and I'm excited to try this 172 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: one that they've created together with you. Today on the show, 173 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: my friend yeah man, And you may have noticed, I'm 174 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 1: wearing my other half half like I do so often 175 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: these days, stepping that swag. I really like that brewery man, 176 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: the other half up in Brooklyn. They're really good, so good, 177 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 1: so good. All right, Matt, let's get onto the topic 178 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: at hand. Today on the show, we're talking about striving 179 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: for work life balance. And I will say that work 180 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: life balance, well, it's it's not really the most popular 181 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: term when we're discussing this topic anymore. You know. We 182 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: had author Kurt Steinhorst on recently and he prefers to 183 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: discuss how you can integrate the worlds of work in life. 184 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: So he's talking about work life integration and I understand that. 185 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I understand why he's choosing those terms instead, but I 186 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: still appreciate the desire to achieve work life balance in 187 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: our lives, and I think striving for balance in and 188 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: of itself, it takes effort, right, It's like pursuing margin, 189 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: And we talked about that the very first episode of 190 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: this year. It feels like we're a salmon like swimming 191 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: upstream fighting the current. It's not easy, but but it's possible, 192 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: and I think it's worth making that effort because all 193 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: work and no play, well, it makes us really dull. 194 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: And this effort, well, it might feel very much like 195 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: a pendulum at times where we never quite hit it 196 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: exactly right. So while there's not really any sort of 197 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: silver bullet, I don't think that we're gonna offer up 198 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: in this episode, Matt when it comes to the question 199 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: of work life balance and how to find it, we 200 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: can at least find ways to help ourselves achieve more balance, 201 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: just a greater level of it in our everyday lives. Yeah, man, 202 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: this is something I definitely want to make sure that 203 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: I am striving after myself, because in a culture that 204 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: idolizes work, we find ourselves chronically fatigued and exhausted because 205 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: we give too much of ourselves to our work while 206 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: leaving little left for ourselves and for the folks around us. 207 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: Like most Americans don't even take all of their vacation time, 208 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: and when they do, they find it impossible to actually 209 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: stop working. When we do that, that leads to burnout. 210 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: Burnout can cause us to make worse decisions, and then 211 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: oftentimes that causes us to become impulsive with our money. 212 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: So this is really important stuff for us to talk about. 213 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: And so regardless of the job that you have and 214 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: what fields you're in, I think there is room for 215 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: more balance and striving after that in all of our lives. Yeah, 216 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: all right, So Matt, let's talk about some of the 217 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: symptoms that someone might be experiencing that would indicate a 218 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: lack of balance in their lives. I feel like I'm 219 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: a doctor or something trying to diagnose somebody right now. 220 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: But I think you know some of these symptoms that 221 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna discuss here, well, the ones that you and 222 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: I have experienced before, because we're normal human beings that 223 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: have prioritized work over life at different times. Finding that 224 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: balance is hard to do, and and we know these 225 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: symptoms because there are things we've dealt with over time, 226 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: or maybe we're even dealing with now. I mean, let's 227 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: be honest, you know, like launching a podcast and trying 228 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: to maintain that while we have full time jobs, new 229 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: more children. It's not super easy. And so like, these 230 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: are things that are are kind of hitting close to 231 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: home for us and so I think maybe for both 232 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: of us this is a good reminder to to keep 233 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: our eyes open to some of these different signs. Yeah 234 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: for sure. So all right, those symptoms. Let's start with stress. 235 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: That's an obvious one, right, being consistently stressed out, that's 236 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: a major indicator that we might be working too much. 237 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: And depending on the individual, well, this stress can manifest 238 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: itself in all sorts of ways, and that can be debilitating, 239 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: like an inability to get proper sleep every night. So 240 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: if we find it hard to rest, what's a good 241 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: chance that we're working too much and enjoying life too little. Yea. 242 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: And stress can leads to physical pain as well, that 243 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, like physical being that we actually experienced in 244 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: our bodies, right, like headaches, that strain that you feel 245 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: in your neck, like if you're sitting there at the office, 246 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: you know it kind of hunched over in your chair, 247 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: staring at your computer. It can have a literal effect 248 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: on our stomachs, ability to digest food properly, and it 249 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: even affects our health and more serious ways as well, 250 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: Like it's documented that working more than fifty five hours 251 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: a week that raises our risk of heart attack and stroke. 252 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: By a significant amounts. Man, this is serious stuff. Yeah, 253 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: we talk about money, right, but money isn't as important 254 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: as your life. And I think when we're super stressed 255 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: out because we're working too much and too much of 256 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: our faculties, too much of our focus, too much of 257 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: our attention is going to our everyday nine to five, 258 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: but it turns into more like an eight to seven 259 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: or something like that, then it is going to lead 260 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: to a lot of unhealthiness. And that stuff impacts your wallet, 261 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: but more than anything, it just impacts the way you feel, 262 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: It impacts the way you move through life, and it 263 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: just makes life a whole lot less fun. And so yeah, 264 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: I think it really is important to talk about this 265 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: topic from a bunch of different angles today. And that 266 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: leads into one of the next symptoms that people often 267 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: experience when they're overworked and they're lacking balance, and that's pessimism. Well, 268 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: we tend to have more negative thoughts and respond poorly 269 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,359 Speaker 1: to the good things that we experience when we're overwhelmed 270 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: and overworked. If you kind of find yourself having more 271 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: of a negative outlook in general, well it's time to 272 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: kind of reassess how balance your life currently is Yeah, 273 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: and Jill, not just a sort of negative alok on 274 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: on things. Another sign is just an overall lack of 275 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: the other good and healthy things in our lives. If 276 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: you find yourself cutting back in other areas of your 277 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: life that you know are important, right, then you might 278 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: be working too much, Like maybe you've eliminated exercise from 279 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: your weekly routine, or maybe like your relationships are suffering. Right, 280 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: If important healthy habits are consistently missing from your daily life, 281 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a key sign that you are in 282 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: an imbalanced states. Yeah, Matt, these symptoms, well, they can 283 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: be a huge sign that the more that we notice 284 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: these things cropping up in our lives that things just 285 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: aren't balanced. They'll work in life, just aren't aligned properly. Yeah, 286 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of folks would argue that the sort 287 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: of the main cause for this that it's noble, right, 288 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Like we're working hard because we're trying to make more money, 289 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: because we want to get ahead, like we we're trying 290 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: to set our families up to be in a better 291 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: position down the road. But unfortunately that can mean that 292 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: a lot of other areas in our life suffer. Yeah, 293 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: for sure, money plays a huge part in this whole 294 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: discussion about work life balance, and so we'll talk more 295 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: about that in just a second right after this break. 296 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: All right, here we are back for the break. We're 297 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: talking about how important it is for us to strive 298 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: after work life balance, man. And you know what, I 299 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: think it's important for us to address the fact that 300 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: we talk about side hustles all the time, right, Like 301 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: we talk about working hard to get ahead, and so 302 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: how does suggesting more work help you to achieve greater balance? Right? Yeah, 303 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Matt and Jewel are always trying to give me to 304 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: work more to make more money. What's that? And now 305 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: here we are talking about work life balance, but I 306 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: think it's important for us to talk about side hustles 307 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: and trying to make more on the side, and in 308 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: fact that side hustles are not for everyone. You might 309 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: be currently tapped out with what you are already doing, 310 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: and so if that's you, starting a side hustle is 311 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: probably going to be a bad idea. And then if 312 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: you do start one, if you do have a side hustle, 313 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: do not be afraid to reassess your situation. Is it 314 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: actually bringing you closer to your goals? Like do you 315 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: have an actual goal set that you know that you're 316 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: working towards. Oft. Sometimes the perfect side hustle can stem 317 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: out of expanding a hobby and it could allow you 318 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: to replace your full time job. Certainly, for a while, 319 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna be pulling double duty, right, but eventually, hopefully 320 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: that side hustle might be able to scale up into 321 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: a full fledged business and you can replace that time 322 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: that you're spending at your full time job with this 323 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: new side hustle. We're not necessarily advocating for you to 324 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: add hours that you're spending working to your life indefinitely. Yeah, 325 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: and a side hustle is just not for everyone, and 326 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: it's not for everyone at all times. It makes me 327 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: think of our our friend Paul, and he kind of 328 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: worked for this major corporation and hate it, but it 329 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: wasn't really his jam either, and so he kind of 330 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: started to get into real estate investing, and you know, 331 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: over time, he just found it more interesting and he 332 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: found that he was doing well at it, and so 333 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: he just continued to kind of ramp that up, and 334 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: at this point in time he's been able to quit 335 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: his full time job. He does consulting on the side, 336 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: so he is able to go back and work for 337 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: that corporation on his terms and other places too, like 338 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: very right, which is which is a huge benefit. And 339 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: his real estate essentially funds his lifestyle, so all that 340 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: consulting stuff, that's just kind of the icing on top 341 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: of the cake. But yeah, if you were to try 342 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: to continue once he reached at certain point with real 343 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: estate to work that full time job as well, I 344 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: think you realized that it would have led to a 345 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: massive imbalance. At some point, something's got to give, right 346 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: and and so yeah, I think that's an important thing 347 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: to note when we're talking about side hustles. At some 348 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: point something has to give, and maybe it's a side 349 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: hustle and maybe it's a day job, but trying to 350 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: continue both in perpetuity, that's definitely going to lead you 351 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: to a place where you're gonna find yourself in a 352 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: in a massive situation of imbalance. Which go ahead and 353 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: talk about some of the things that can lead to imbalance, 354 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: that can lead to us over working when it comes 355 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: to work in our life. And you touched on this 356 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: with Paul a little bit, But when someone doesn't know 357 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: why they're working, right, Like we talked about the why 358 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: behind our money. If you don't know why you're doing 359 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: what you're doing, that can seriously lead to overwork. Not 360 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: having a mission statement can lead to that imbalance. You 361 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: might feel conflicted consistently by how you are spending your 362 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: time if you do not have a clear direction. It 363 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: sounds like with Paul, perhaps he was looking for a 364 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: little more flexibility when it came to his time, or 365 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: even a slightly different challenge when it came to his work. 366 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: For everyone out there, it's going to be something different. 367 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: But it's hard to know what your why is if 368 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: you haven't taken some time to consider what it is 369 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: that you truly want your life to look like. Yeah, 370 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: so really, I guess the marching orders when you hear 371 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: something like that is to find out what your why is, 372 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: spend some time because oftentimes I think, Matt, you're right, like, 373 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: we're we're looking at someone else's why. We're living life 374 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: according to somebody else's terms and kind of what they 375 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: think is important, and we as individuals need to do 376 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: some soul searching to figure out what it is that 377 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: we want our life to look like. And that might 378 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: involve big changes like moving or downsizing. But when we 379 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: can identify our goals and then reframe our work as 380 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: a means to achieve those goals, then I think we're 381 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: on the right track. Yeah, And if you don't identify 382 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: your why, it's gonna be really easy for your boss 383 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: or if your company to identify that thing for you, right, Because, 384 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: like I mean, we live in a culture, like an 385 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: American culture, where achievement and you know, getting ahead that's 386 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: kind of the defaults. And while those can be great things, 387 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: if left unchecked, those things can kind of ruin the 388 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: rest of our life. It can cut them u Yes, exactly. 389 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: I think if its like this flame, this fire, right, 390 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: a camp fire is this beautiful, wonderful thing when it's 391 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: sitting there where it's supposed to be, you know, like 392 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: Smokey the bear wants it exactly where the kids can 393 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: sit there and they've got their smores, right, But if 394 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: that fire gets out of that firing, well, then it's 395 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: a serious problem. That's why think it can be helpful 396 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: for us to view achievement in getting ahead through that lens. 397 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: Only you can prevent achievement fires, right, So we're going 398 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: with that, Okay, perfect, all right? So another root cause 399 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: that can really lead to a good amount of work 400 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: life and balance is out of control spending. It's not 401 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: having our finances in order. Finally, we're talking about money. 402 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: It's in the title of the podcast, like we should 403 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: get to that a little bit sooner, but yeah, we're 404 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: we're there now. So out of control spending truly can 405 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: force us to work more than we want to. And 406 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: that's a real problem, racking up debt, buying more stuff 407 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: that means being forced to up our income. Man, we 408 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: I hate hearing about that, Matt, where the where people 409 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: have essentially pigeonholed themselves in the corner by racking up 410 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: credit card debt because they found curbing their spending to 411 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: be just too difficult. And I know it's easier said 412 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: than done, right, we talked about it a lot, but 413 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: it is something that we have to do. If we 414 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: do want more of a work life balance, if we 415 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: don't want to have to work more to fund our lifestyle, 416 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: well then we need to have a simpler lifestyle, that's right. 417 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: And so the solution here is to create and stick 418 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: to a budget, which, like you said, easier said than 419 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: done for a lot of people. If you're in bad shape, 420 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: get some help and some accountability, Like, do not let 421 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: the reason for your work life imbalance be that you 422 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: are consistently spending more than you make. We are actually 423 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: gonna do an episode on budgets next week, so you 424 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: can look forward to that one showing up in your 425 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: podcatchers soon. I'm at the edge of my seat right now. 426 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one. Yeah, man. I think 427 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: another root cause that we need to discuss that leads 428 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: to uh A work life imbalance is difficulty actually working. 429 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: You might be on the clock, but constant distractions could 430 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: be keeping you from working efficiently on the good stuff. 431 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: And you're not the only one that has this issue either. 432 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: It takes an average of twenty three minutes for an 433 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: individual to refocus after getting distracted. Believes that as someone 434 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: who works from home, I'm pretty sure it takes me 435 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: that long to like fully get back into the groove. Yes, completely. 436 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: If you're distracted from a specific task you're working on 437 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: by an email, or your phone buzzing in your pocket, 438 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: or just a coworker coming in, you know how hard 439 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: it is to get re engaged in that task that 440 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: you were working hard at. So how do we ta 441 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: hole this? Well, we have to make changes so that 442 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: we can actually get the things accomplished. Then we need 443 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: to get accomplished instead of just quote unquote like being 444 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: at work having our work day dictated by whatever email 445 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: comes has come across our inbox. Most recently, that's how 446 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: we kind of fight back. And I think that's why 447 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: we're seeing kind of a rising popularity of companies going 448 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: to five hour work days because they're realizing that a 449 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: traditional forty hour workweek well involves just a lot of 450 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: employee distraction, and if they can get their employees to 451 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: buy into working fewer hours but being a hunter percent 452 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: focused during those work hours, they're going to have employees 453 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: that are just as productive, if not more so. And 454 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: so one of the things that man I would suggests 455 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: doing a time audits, which sounds like a fancy term 456 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: for just keeping track of your time. Right, this has 457 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: made a huge difference in my life. Just like you 458 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: want your money being spent towards the things that you 459 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: actually value, we want your time going in the same direction, 460 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: towards the things that you actually care about. When you 461 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: are spending your time in a way that prioritizes the 462 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: people you love and and includes the interests you value, 463 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: you are far less likely to feel out of whack. So, 464 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: just like with our budgets and tracking or spending, our 465 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: dollars should reflect the things that we value in our life, 466 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: in the same way our schedules should also reflect the 467 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: things that we value. Yeah, and I think, Matt, another 468 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: helpful way to combat a difficulty actually working while we're 469 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be working is shutting out the noise around 470 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: us so that we can get those important and crucial 471 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: things done. And so, Matt, my job in particular is 472 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: one where I feel like I have to be responsive 473 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: more immediately. I do have timely things happening a large 474 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: part of the day and that I have to be 475 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: able to react to quickly, and so I can't always 476 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: shut these things off. But I do have to find 477 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: key times to be away from email and slack in 478 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: order to accomplish the bigger tasks that I want to 479 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: get done. So this is obviously get a vary by job, 480 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: by industry, by the culture of your workplace. But the 481 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: more time that you can separate yourself from the constant 482 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: buzzing and distraction and people around you and focus on 483 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: a particular item of work, the more productive you're gonna be, 484 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: and you might even find yourself being able to leave 485 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: work earlier than you thought you normally could have getting 486 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: home in time for dinner where you weren't able to 487 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: do that before by letting those less important things wait 488 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: and actually having more time for those more important tasks 489 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: that are things that you have to get done well. Man. 490 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: I will share a quick little tip, a little strategy 491 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: that I've been able to incorporate into my life as 492 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: someone who works from home. Right, I've got my little 493 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: home office, but that doesn't mean I can't hear my 494 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: family and my kids screaming in the background. And so 495 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: I would suggest you know, you're talking about the noise 496 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: of the office, Well, I've got the noise of my house, 497 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: and so I would completely recommend that you get some 498 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: nice earplugs, the soft kind you can kind of roll 499 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: up in your fingers and jam in your ears. Dude, 500 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: I am able to work so much better when I 501 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: can hear nothing Like I'm not one of these people 502 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: who like to turn on, you know, a bunch of 503 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: music and have all this kind of stuff going on. 504 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people will go to like Comfitivity. 505 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever used that app? Or I don't know 506 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: if it's an app. I used to go to it 507 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: on my web browser, but it like mimics the sounds 508 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: of a cafe and you can do like lunch, murmur 509 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: and like because some people, for them, they are able 510 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: to work better when there's a sort of white noise 511 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: surrounding them where it feels like they're in a sort 512 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: of work office environment. But for me, man, it's the 513 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: complete opposite. I want like zen yoga like silence, and 514 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm able to achieve that when I actually use ear plugs. 515 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: So I know that kind of sounds silly. It might 516 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: be silly for a lot of folks who who do 517 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: work in an office, But if you find yourself being 518 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: distracted by the things that you hear, being overset or 519 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: just different noises in your office, man, I would completely 520 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: recommend that if that's something you can get away with 521 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: ear plugs, that's a good recommendation. Seriously, dude, all right, 522 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: So I think another core root cause, uh, that could 523 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: lead to more work life and balance, and it often 524 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: does for a lot of people. It could just be 525 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: your job is a big issue and you could be 526 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: in a field that's demanding or have a boss who 527 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: only cares about the profitability of the company and ringing 528 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: as much productivity out of you as as they can. 529 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: So if your supervisor is the problem, well you might 530 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: need to seek to work in a different department or 531 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: even consider switching companies. And if you work in a 532 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: soul sucking industry, you might want to consider what it 533 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: would look like to switch careers altogether. And it might 534 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: not be as crazy as it sounds, especially if it 535 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: allows you to spend your time in a way that 536 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: reflects what you value. And I know that these decisions, 537 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: well they're not made overnight, Matt, right, Like people aren't 538 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: like cool, Yeah, all right, I'll switch jobs tomorrow. But 539 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: it is one of those things that you might need 540 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: to start working towards. If you realize that your life 541 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: is in a state of imbalance, if you're if you're 542 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: exhibiting some of those symptoms as that we mentioned earlier, 543 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: well then kind of making the long play to switch 544 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: careers or to find another employer that can start today, 545 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: although it might take a few months or even longer 546 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: to actually get there. Right. Yeah, For a lot of folks, though, 547 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: leaving your job or changing industries altogether may not at 548 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: all be a possibility for you. If so, it is 549 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: crucial to develop hard boundaries, and so after the break 550 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: we'll discuss more of what some of those boundaries might 551 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: look like. Alright, Matt, we're back from the break and 552 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: we're talking about work life balance. Let's talk about the 553 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: ultimate way to achieve it. Quitting your job. I'm out 554 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: of here life, right. Some people might need to do 555 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: that if it's that bad, right, And I just want 556 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: to give a personal example from my life. Man. I 557 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: had this job where I was producing a morning news 558 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: show that was basically my first big time job out 559 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: of college, and it was it was terrible. I gotta 560 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: be honest. I didn't like it. I learned a lot, 561 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: and I was glad I took it because the learning 562 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: curve was steep, and I feel like, you know, I 563 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: basically got initiated into the radio production world in no 564 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: time flat. You paid your dues, Yeah, very very much so. 565 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: But my job was based around the news, and the 566 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: news never stopped. I've heard that before. And I had 567 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: to book guests for the next day, and so I 568 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: had to stay on top of the news and basically 569 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: at the same time, I had to wake up just 570 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: ridiculously early. The shows like that started five in the morning, 571 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: so I had to be up at like three. Yeah, 572 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: I remember you've talked about this before. And then maybe 573 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: you would get a nap like later that day, but 574 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: otherwise you're still hanging out with your friends like during 575 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: their normal hours. And and then you know, after my nap, 576 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: I had to look at the news again and try 577 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: to book then the other guests for the for the 578 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: upcoming for the show the next day. It was just 579 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: too much. The job wasn't conducive to having real boundaries, 580 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: at least for me, and so I quit five months later, 581 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: and I didn't really have kind of the next thing 582 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: lined up yet, but I just knew I couldn't continue. 583 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: And the great news was I was financially okay to 584 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: be able to do that. But yeah, maybe for some 585 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: people quitting is the only way to achieve work life balance. 586 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: I just want to throw that out there, that that 587 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: is a possibility. We mentioned the job being the biggest issue, 588 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: and it might be the only way to get rid 589 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: of that issue is to to leave all together. Yeah, Joel, 590 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: And what I want to point out here is that 591 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: you were in a financial position to take that step right. 592 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: When you first took that job, you didn't know that 593 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: eventually you were gonna want out, But you started doing 594 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: smart things with your money, and that allowed you to 595 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: be in a position were you were able to say, 596 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: peace out. You know, I'm out of here. I'm gonna 597 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: go travel. Yeah, I sure didn't know it was going 598 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: to be that quick. But well, for a lot of folks, though, 599 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: quitting may not be an option. Uh And if so, 600 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: it's important to figure out what the expectations are and 601 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to communicating and getting your work done 602 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: with your employer, right, your your boss might even commend 603 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: you if you proactively draw some hard lines around your 604 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: personal time. So hopefully you know, through conversation you can 605 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: define those hours with your boss, you can figure out 606 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: what it is that you need to get done. And 607 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: then the other vital part of that is making sure 608 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: that you're able to communicate that to your colleagues. That way, 609 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: you're still an important part of the team, right, Like, 610 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: you don't want to just say like, okay, these are 611 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: my boundary is now and have that be a detriment 612 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: to what you would be able to contribute to your team, Like, 613 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: you still want to be able to get the work 614 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: done and hopefully this will allow you to get your 615 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: work done more efficiently and at a higher caliber at 616 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, and and that in in our 617 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: culture right now of basically constant connection and our employer 618 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: thinking that we should respond at all hours of the night. Well, 619 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: that constant connection to technology, I think can make us 620 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: think that we're more productive than we actually are. And 621 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: if we're always present via email and slack, are we 622 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: giving ourselves the time to think through our bigger goals 623 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: and the impact that we're actually having. And I think 624 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: we're not oftentimes right because we're just responding to the 625 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: immediate things and so basically always being in touch, it's 626 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: not really a good thing for us. So consider taking 627 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: work email off your phone. I deleted work email and 628 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: Slack from my phone because I realized that it was 629 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: more of a distraction than it was helping me actually 630 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: get things done at work, and that the things that 631 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: were more pressing and needed what my direct supervisor could 632 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: text or call me, and I let her know that, 633 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: I said, you can reach out to me via via 634 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: a phone call or a text if there's something that's 635 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: urgent and that happens you know, a couple of times 636 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: a year, but at least now I have this kind 637 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: of clear conscience when I go home that I don't 638 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: need to be checking any of that stuff. It just 639 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: doesn't need a factor into my evening. And I know 640 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: that not everyone can set such clear boundaries, but a 641 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: lot of us can. Many of us can, I think 642 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: a lot of us can, but we're afraid to sure, 643 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: Like like we're just afraid of taking those steps because 644 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: we think that like, oh, that you know, that's not 645 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: going to allow us to get that advancement, or oh, 646 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: this is gonna affect this. But I think that's a 647 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: great challenge for us to take and to see, like 648 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: does this actually affect the quality and the quantity of 649 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: work that I'm truly able to get done? I think 650 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: it will affect it in the positive if instead of 651 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: constantly doing work or constantly replying to emails, if we're 652 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: able to essentially batch our work right Like it makes 653 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: me think of like doing dishes. We don't do dishes 654 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: all day long, like every time there's a dirty plate 655 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: or dirty fork or at least I mean that's not 656 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: how we roll, like, but we put everything in the 657 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: sink and at the end of the night, after the 658 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: kids in bed, I go and I tackle the dishes 659 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: and it and I can knock them all out and 660 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: no time. When we have this constant trickle something like email, 661 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it just wears on us. And I 662 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: just think those constant notifications, though not necessarily urgent, can 663 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: just you know, like a like a dripping faucet. It 664 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: just wears on us mentally. And man, I would even 665 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: suggest for folks. This is something I've done recently, is 666 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: like I still have email on my phone, but turn 667 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: off your notifications. I'm not talking about your sound notifications 668 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: or like the banners, like the pop up banners, but 669 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: something I've done recently is I've turned off badges notifications 670 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: like the icons that you can show up at the 671 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: top of your phone. So you've got your email app 672 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: and when you have an email, there's a little red 673 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: dot with a little number in there. You can turn 674 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: that off and so I can still go to my 675 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: email and check my email. I know there's unread emails there, 676 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: but you know what I don't need is for that 677 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: number just to constantly increase when I'm off the clock, 678 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: one constant reminder, yes, exactly, and so why have that on, 679 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, why why have it looked like something that 680 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 1: needs addressing, Because like they make it for a reason, 681 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: like it's to get your attention. And so that's an 682 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: easy little change that you can do on your phone, 683 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: going to notifications, go down to your email and turn 684 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: off notifications altogether. I mean that reminds me just kind 685 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: of of you know, something I briefly mentioned at the 686 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, which was certain employers going to 687 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: five hour workdays and they've found that their employees are 688 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: more productive. And it's because so much of what we 689 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: do when we think we're productive by just being at work, 690 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: right that, well, we spend a lot of time, it 691 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: turns out on social media or walking down the hallway 692 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: or having lunch. I mean, there are all these things 693 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: that take our focus away from the task at hand. 694 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: And if we can just kind of concentrated in this 695 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: smaller amount of time but we're uber focused, then it 696 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: changes our workflow and allows us to have more freedom 697 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: in the other hours of our lives. And those employers 698 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: seem to be talking about how successful, how good it's 699 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: been for their company and for their employees, and so 700 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: I think you're right starting the conversation with your employer 701 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: or with your direct manager, using some of these stories 702 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: as kind of fuel for the fire, as kind of 703 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: your artillery right in the fight to take back some 704 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: of some more of your life and some more of 705 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: your autonomy. That's a great place to start, and I 706 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: think you can help kind of start that conversation going 707 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: with your boss and it can help lead to a 708 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: greater work life balance in your life. We're talking essentially 709 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: about kind of like technological boundaries, and we're talking about 710 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: time boundaries, but let's dive into our minds a little bit. 711 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk about mental boundaries. So many jobs today involve 712 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: information and ideas that it makes it even more difficult 713 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: to turn off our work in order to achieve that 714 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: work life balance. Right. Got to admit that's my main 715 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: struggle really. I mean, like, forget about our cell phones, 716 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: like our brains, like they are the real culprits here 717 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: when it comes to the inability to truly turn off 718 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: our work. And so how do we take the steps 719 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: in order to make sure that our minds are in 720 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: a healthy spot. We want to make sure that not 721 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: only are our bodies off the clock, but that our 722 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: minds are off the clock as well. And the first 723 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: thing we need to do is start with eliminating these 724 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: physical cues to work that we've been taught thing about, 725 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: right like removing your work email from your phone. If 726 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: that's what's necessary, turn of those notifications. Maybe for a 727 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: lot of folks, that's actually leaving at five pm from 728 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: the office and even taking vacations, right Like, we a 729 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of employers say that there are a certain number 730 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 1: of vacation days that you have, but oftentimes people do 731 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: not take those vacations and maybe sometimes there's a lot 732 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: of guilts associated with that. Oh yeah, I think there's 733 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 1: a ton of guilt associated with taking vacation in our 734 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: modern workforce. We feel like we're slacking and we're leaving 735 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: our work to other people to do while we're gone. 736 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's why people want to stay connected, 737 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: because they don't want to let their colleagues down. But 738 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: you have to be able to take vacation in order 739 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: to get that break, that mind rest from work. You're 740 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: gonna come back more recharged than ever. Just like if 741 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: you work a few hours in a day, but you're 742 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: more focused, you're probably going to be more productive too. 743 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: And I think another step that we can take to 744 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: make sure our minds are in a healthy spot is 745 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: giving ourselves time to be still and quiet, to remind 746 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: ourselves to the things that truly matter and that that 747 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: can be prayer, that can be meditation. However you incorporate 748 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: that into your life. But Matt, I mean, we talked 749 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: with five am Joel about waking up early, and I'm 750 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that time in the morning where it's 751 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: just me is so helpful to have some stillness, to 752 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: not have tasks kind of flying my way for at 753 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: least a part of the morning. That's become one of 754 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the day. That's the rest of 755 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: your day, like out of the gate, right, Yeah, So 756 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: for me, that's been really important. I think the more 757 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: that we can incorporate a little bit of stillness and 758 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: quietness into our lives, that's good. And that's coming from 759 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: a guy who's a complete extrovert and has a really, 760 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: really hard time doing that, but I've realized the importance 761 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: of it, so I'm making it happen. And once you've 762 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: done those things, I think the next important step is 763 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: to replace the cues that would lead you to work 764 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: with cues that will lead you to live life. And 765 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: a lot of that is going to and all likelihood 766 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: involved some scheduling. Scheduling time with friends, time for hobbies, 767 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: time for your community, time to volunteer, and time to 768 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: work on your personal health. Yeah. Often times for a 769 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: lot of people, these are the kind of things that 770 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: if you sit them down at a seminar or like 771 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: at a personal development meeting or something, right like, they'll 772 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: write these things down at the top of their list 773 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: and they'll say, like, these are all the things that 774 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: are important to me. But when it comes to how 775 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: we spend our days, like, do we actually do these things? 776 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: I mean not as much as we work. And I'm 777 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: not saying that we should match every hour that we 778 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: work with family time or community time, you know, just 779 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: all these different things. But we are so intentional with 780 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: the time that we spend working, right Like, We've got 781 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: deadlines that we have to meet, we have calendar reminders, 782 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: we have you know, events scheduled on our calendars throughout 783 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: the week that have to do with work. And we 784 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: need to be just as intentional and just as proactive 785 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: with the other non work areas of our life. And 786 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: so this makes me think of just a few days ago, 787 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: you and I with a bunch of buddies, we hit 788 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: up a local bar slash restaurant that's gonna be closing 789 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: later this week. A friend of ours, he shot out 790 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: of text and he said, fellas, we need to hit 791 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: up the graveyard one more time to enjoy their delicious 792 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: wings on half price wing night. Of course that's how 793 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, we're getting that deal. But all it 794 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: took was just a little nudge a text from a 795 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: friend to get seven guys together who haven't seen each 796 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: other in a while, and we caught up and had 797 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: a fantastic time. I just know that I want to 798 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: see myself and I want to challenge myself to be 799 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: that intentional and that proactive with the time that I 800 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: am not spending working. Yeah, man, I think as as 801 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about striving for work life balance, it's really important, 802 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: after all the things that we've discussed, to really give 803 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: yourself reasonable expectations. Because of perfect work life balance, well, 804 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: it's it's not always achievable. As our lives evan flow, 805 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: we can't always have it exactly like we want, and 806 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: that's okay. I think there are seasons where more work 807 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: and less life or vice versa is going to happen 808 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: because we're not perfect. And I've had to tell myself 809 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: too at times, Matt. In a season where where I've 810 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: been a little bit busier with you know, doing the 811 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: podcast and Emily and I'm at we we've had to 812 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: have discussions about this that I'm going to at times 813 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: fail or not do as well at something as I 814 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: would really like to do, and that's because of the 815 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: specific season that we're in. But even in the midst 816 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 1: of that, I can identify the key components that are 817 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna help me feel connected to the highly valuable things 818 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: in my life. For for example, dinner every single night 819 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: with my family, I'm not going to miss that, for 820 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: pretty much anything three times a week, riding my bike, 821 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: not gonna miss that either, and just basically not being 822 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: in tune with social media almost at all. That has 823 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: led to just a greater ability to enjoy work life balance, 824 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: even in the midst of kind of a busier season 825 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: for me. Mean, I like what you said. They're right, perfection, 826 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: it is not the goal. There are going to be 827 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: certain busy seasons in our life. But I think as 828 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: long as we were working towards an average of a 829 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: balanced life, that there are some key areas and components 830 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: of our life that we shouldn't be willing to compromise on, 831 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: but taking time for ourselves, creating more rigid boundaries around 832 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: when we work and when we play, actually using all 833 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: of our vacation time, like that's a must. That's one 834 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: that I feel like you've mentioned recently as well, like 835 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: making sure like I'm going to take that vacation time right, 836 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: this is the year the vacation for me. I'm taking 837 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: it all. But doing all these different things like these 838 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: are important steps to helping us to achieve a better 839 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: work life balance. And when we feel more rested and 840 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: fulfilled in our lives away from work, I think a 841 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: lot of us will be surprised to see that we 842 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: become actually more productive when we are at work. Yeah. 843 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: They say absence makes the heart grow fonder, and I 844 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: think it's definitely true for work. Yeah. You know when 845 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: you spend like a few days away from work and 846 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, I just can't wait to dive back 847 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: into it. Well, I love my job, but it's also 848 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: nice to get away from from a week and remember 849 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: that I love my job. Because I think in the 850 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: middle of it, I don't feel like I love my 851 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 1: job every day everybody needs a break, man. But ultimately, 852 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: when I look back and I'm looking at the ability 853 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: to get to do what I do every day, I'm like, oh, yeah, 854 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: I do love my job. But I especially realized that 855 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: when I get away from it for a little while, 856 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: I will say, absence of this beer that we had 857 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: today on the episode also makes my heart grow fonder. 858 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: That gives you want more of it? Yes, I do. 859 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: The beer that we had on the show today was 860 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: called I Learned it by watching you, and it was 861 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: a collaboration beer between Other Half and Burial Brewing Company. Matt. 862 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: This was delicious, It was wonderful. What would your take 863 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: on it? Well, I'll tell you, but first let me 864 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: tell you what I think of this collaboration, which is 865 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: so this is between Burial and Other Half, And honestly, 866 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: what I imagined was, what if you picked up Asheville 867 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: with its mountains, and you like transplanted it up into 868 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: Brooklyn and so like right across the river, you had 869 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: Asheville across from Manhattan and all of its crunchy Asheville 870 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: granola goodness, Right, how cool would this like bizarro world 871 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: fantasy land be with all of its amazing breweries right 872 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: across from Manhattan. Yeah, I mean Brooklyn. Brooklyn has its 873 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: own I think claims to coolness for sure, But what 874 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: if what if you married it with Asheville and that's 875 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: too fantastic American cities put together. I mean, that'd that'd 876 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: be a good That'd be a match made in heaven. 877 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I could handle it. But yeah, 878 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: these are two of my all time favorite breweries, so 879 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: when they do something together, I totally want to taste 880 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: it and when they're taking note for sure. Yeah, and 881 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: this beer was super tasty. What were your thoughts on 882 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: the actual beer? So I had high expectations because I'm assuming, 883 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, based on two of the top tier breweries 884 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: in the country making beer together, that it's going to 885 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: be ridiculously good. And I gotta say it was. This 886 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: was like darn near a perfect I p A. I 887 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: just really appreciated the attention to detail, the fact that 888 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't overwhelming, but it was also just incredibly juicy 889 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: and delicious. And yeah, I feel like the hot profile 890 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: stood out enormously. Uh, And that's exactly what you want 891 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: in an I p A like this, So two of 892 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: the best at the top of their game making something 893 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: just utterly delicious. Oh yeah, man, for me, it was juicy. 894 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: It was a little bit tingly from from that hot bites. 895 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: That's how you know they didn't skimp hop them out exactly. 896 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: It's like you're licking an iron volt battery. Um Like, 897 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that this was just a great example 898 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: of a double dry hopp I p a UM. I 899 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: feel like it almost had like a sort of like 900 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: jasmine kind of honeysuckle floral notes to it as well. 901 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: Just lots of flavor, but at the same time, real light, 902 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: real easy to drink, very delicious. I'm incredibly thankful for 903 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: our friends Waffles on Wednesday for swinging through Atlanta and 904 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: dropping this one off for us. For sure, they picked 905 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: this one up at Burial I guess when the road trip. 906 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: Very cool. I think it was a barrel yeah. But yeah, 907 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: they've got a great blog and they're great people to boot. 908 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: So all right, Matt, that's gonna do it for this episode. 909 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: For folks that are listening and you want show notes 910 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: for this episode, we'll just check out our website how 911 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: to money dot com and they'll be right there for you. 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