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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, it's your girl, Srika Foster Brassby.

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Speaker 3: And I'm your girl, Cheryl Swoops And this is Levels

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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 2: This is the podcast and the show where we share

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Speaker 2: that it is levels to the ship that women go through.

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Speaker 2: And we have got such a great show lined up today.

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Speaker 2: We have an incredible special guest that I really cannot

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Speaker 2: wait to talk to. But first, Cheryl, have you been

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Speaker 2: keeping up with what's going on between Drake.

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Speaker 3: And Kendrick Lamar? No? See this the ship right here.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I know, I'm like, should I not have it? Okay?

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Speaker 3: So they got into a rap beef and honestly, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Didn't Drake have another rap beef with somebody else?

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Speaker 2: See, he had a beef would meet Mills some years ago,

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Speaker 2: and then he had a beef with somebody else.

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Speaker 3: He be beaking whatever, he be beaking with everybody.

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Speaker 2: So Kendrick Lamar is who he'd been beefing with this year,

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Speaker 2: and that's how we got not like us?

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Speaker 3: They not like us.

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Speaker 2: Oh so Kendrick Lamartin dropped this little album this past

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Speaker 2: Friday and it's it's been period not Drake mad. So

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Speaker 2: Drake then fouled like these little legal actions against the

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Speaker 2: music group. Against the music group because they said he's

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Speaker 2: saying one they fabricated streams because not Like Us was

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Speaker 2: like the highest streaming song of the year. And then

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Speaker 2: he's also suing them for defamation of character because they

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Speaker 2: allowed they allowed this particular track to go on basically

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Speaker 2: where Kendrick is calling him a sex offender, and apparently.

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Speaker 3: I guess he said, he's not my problem. I'm just

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Speaker 2: I believe Reddit has some things out here in the

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Speaker 2: streets that will make this a very difficult lawsuit for you, Drake.

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Speaker 2: But the some why bring this up, it's because it

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Speaker 2: made me think you played in the WNBA. She got

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Speaker 2: she got real testy in the WNBA some time the time.

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Speaker 2: Never ever been a situation where you have had real

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Speaker 2: I am not.

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Speaker 3: I promise if I catch her outside, it's about to

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Speaker 3: be a rep Look at me. Do I even look

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Speaker 3: like I would be that girl. Are you looking for

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Speaker 3: my real answer? Listen.

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Speaker 1: It was a couple of times where I was just like, bitch,

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Speaker 1: you got one today, but real quick, let me tell.

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Speaker 3: You this funny story.

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Speaker 1: We were playing the Los Angeles Sparks who comments Sparkes

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Speaker 1: Liberty like the three of us, we were like yeah,

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Speaker 1: always we were going at it. So we're playing at

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Speaker 1: home and my mom was hitting courtside right because I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, gotta be close to the action. Yep,

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Speaker 1: I went got an in one on Lisa Leslie and

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Speaker 1: so ball comes through the net. Lisa gets the ball.

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Speaker 1: I'm walking to the free throw line and get ready

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Speaker 3: So I score it. I'm like in one.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says it right, I'm walking to the free throw

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Speaker 3: She ain't throw it like really hard, but she but

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Speaker 1: So I turn around and was like, I know you

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Speaker 1: walking up to Lisa. She's walking up to me. Tina

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Speaker 3: So Tina and Lisa get into it.

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Speaker 1: Girl, But why didn't my mom get up her seat

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Speaker 3: On to the floor. Mama sat down.

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Speaker 1: Security has to get my mama. Now, mind you, we

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Speaker 3: That what's going on over here? Yeah, like, don't don't

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Speaker 3: She is trying to get to Lisa. So I look

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Speaker 1: I said, Mama, listen in the middle of this, right,

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Speaker 3: Tea. I never got her court sight seats after that.

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Speaker 1: So mama action on the floor, girl, Yeah, gonna hit

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Speaker 1: But I was like, I didn't tell you to get

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Speaker 1: way no, I think she got a tea.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she got ejected. Kids about this said

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Speaker 3: a protection way too far, Tina. I think I think

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the game, Tina comes up

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Speaker 3: I was like, I was good. I didn't tell you

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Speaker 1: Really the only time I can remember right now at

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Speaker 1: But there were definitely some players, girl, Yeah, were some players.

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Speaker 3: That I was like, yeah, I wish you would I

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Speaker 2: This is why I'd be trying to tell folks when

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Speaker 2: they be talking about, oh, they playing too Russ in

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Speaker 2: the w have you watched, because they've been getting it in.

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Speaker 4: Like they've been been getting it in Sparks in uh

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Speaker 4: the shock, Milton whose Detroit Planeta?

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Speaker 3: Candas do what? Rookie what? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sharon for swing Yeah yeah, tweet wasn't no game, like

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Speaker 3: Wasn't no game.

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Speaker 2: Listen anything coming out of Detroit. You already know that

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Speaker 2: we ain't got no sense. My mom would always say

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Speaker 2: anytime you would ask my mother, like what happened in

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Speaker 3: Won the game. Because you know they want to fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they wanted to fight. They want to fight. When Bill A.

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Speaker 1: You knew what you knew it was gonna be something

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Speaker 2: I'm really surprised when Vegas first became Vegas that they

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Speaker 3: I really was, I really was. But it's just interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. I'm with you, though, Drake. I don't know

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Speaker 2: But but but what I can say is that the

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Speaker 2: new Kendrick Lamar track the album has been dope. I've

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Speaker 2: a line where Kendrick says in a song that I

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Speaker 2: have never changed my image to fit a rap image,

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Speaker 2: is exactly what we are going to talk about on

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Speaker 2: today's show, being yourself, building your authentic voice, and really

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Speaker 2: just being who you are, regardless of what and to

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Speaker 2: help us do that, we have none other than Jamail Hill,

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Speaker 2: who's going to be joining us on the show today,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so excited to talk to her me to

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Speaker 2: the next level. I cannot express how incredibly excited I

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Speaker 2: am about today's guest, Cheryl. We really got somebody to

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Speaker 2: pop on the show who number one has the busiest

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Speaker 2: schedule in the world, is all over everything, and yet

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Speaker 2: levels to this. So everyone with little owe us right,

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Speaker 2: So make some noise, everybody for my girl, Emmy Award

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Speaker 2: winning sports analysts previous Journalists of the Year NABJ. She

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Speaker 2: has her own show on T and T Above the

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Speaker 2: Fold and a new iHeart podcast Politics, which delves into

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Speaker 2: that intersection between sports and politics. Absolutely love the show, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Welcome my girl Jamail Hill to the show.

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Speaker 3: Go man, this is amazing clic.

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Speaker 5: You already know how I feel about you from our

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Speaker 5: time when we worked at ESPN.

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Speaker 6: One of the hardest working people in this business.

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Speaker 5: I think people because of the path that you took,

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Speaker 5: Like people ask me all the time, how did you

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Speaker 5: get into this. Why did you start in sports media?

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Speaker 5: How did you become a sports journalist? And I feel

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Speaker 5: like my path is so inauthentic from this standpoint is

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Speaker 5: that I knew what I wanted to do very early

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Speaker 5: and that's all I did. But I think your pathway

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Speaker 5: is the pathway that they should study.

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Speaker 3: Not mine.

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Speaker 1: Really definitely, because it was hard your I know it

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean like you got it out the mud,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not saying I didn't either, But I think

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Speaker 5: I feel like your experience and the way that you've

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Speaker 5: remiss if I didn't give your flowers as well. My

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Speaker 5: first professional beat as a sports journalist was covering the WNBA.

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Speaker 5: This was in nineteen ninety seven, Like it was my

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Speaker 5: and I asked them because I had always liked women's basketball,

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Speaker 5: that team, Tracy Reid, those late nineties basketball players, women's

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Speaker 5: basketball players like I credit them so much, players like

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Speaker 5: yourself for really jump starting my career because women were

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Speaker 5: so undercovered at that time that, like the access was incredible.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, being able to do that first season and

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Speaker 6: It was such a huge boost and lift in my

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Speaker 5: So I just wanted the opportunity to thank you for

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Speaker 5: for being such an ambassador, not to holy hijack hijacked

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Speaker 3: But listen, you keep going, keep going.

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Speaker 5: But I will tell you this one really funny story.

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Speaker 3: You just do you?

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Speaker 5: But I don't think people understand how different it is

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Speaker 5: By Sam, you have made it through so much worse.

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Speaker 2: I think as your platform gets larger, because it seems

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Speaker 5: I would wring myself out of that if I did, so,

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Speaker 3: Whether you like that.

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Speaker 5: find value in the things you say, they constantly feel

443
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 5: the need to tag you, to follow you, to see

444
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 5: what you're doing, to add you to the conversation, always.

445
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Speaker 6: Check it for you.

446
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: You don't care, but don't care.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, on some days when I have time, then

448
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: I just sit there and I'll have time.

449
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

450
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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often, and it's not because I

451
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: really care, but I'm like, you know what, I got

452
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: a little time today.

453
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Speaker 3: Here's my thing. And I said this.

454
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Speaker 1: If you don't like me, and if what I have

455
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: to say is wrong, why the hell are you following me?

456
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: Why do you have your notifications turned on so that

457
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: any time and every time I post something you get it.

458
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Speaker 3: That's the part that like just truly baffles me.

459
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Speaker 1: I have found, and I don't know Jay, if you

460
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: feel this way or ut. I have found that as

461
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Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I really don't give a shit, do you.

462
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

463
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: I do, because here's what I think people tend to forget.

464
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: And you said this earlier. Why am I not entitled

465
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Speaker 1: to my opinion? And it's my opinion? Like if any

466
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: of the male analysts, male athletes, any of them, they

467
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: have their own opinion and it's okay. It's because well

468
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: they're men, so it's okay for them to have an opinion.

469
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: And for me, I just find it very maybe interesting

470
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: that anytime a former player right has an opinion on

471
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: what's going on in the WNBA or whatever, that we're bitter,

472
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: we're mean, we're ugly, we're nasty, we're all kinds of words,

473
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: And my thing is, no, that's not what it is.

474
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: But we're entitled to have our opinion to talk about

475
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: where the game is today, what the players are like

476
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: today versus the way it was when it first started.

477
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: But the thing when I said, I found out I

478
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: got as I got older, I don't really give a

479
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: shit when you're playing and you're in that space. We'll

480
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: use WNBA for example, because that's the space I was in.

481
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: There's this kind.

482
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: Of written rule right that there are just certain things

483
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: you don't say, or certain things you don't talk about

484
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: because if you do, it gives the league a bad

485
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: name or a bad look. And so I think so

486
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: many players, including myself when I played, we got so

487
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: caught up in we're just gonna take everything that's thrown

488
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: at us, and we're not gonna come back. We're not

489
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: going to say anything at you because then it's a

490
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Speaker 1: bad look.

491
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Speaker 3: On the league. And for me now that I don't.

492
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm like, what can the league possibly do to

493
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: me for being honest and for speaking up and telling

494
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: my truth?

495
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: Like you don't know my truth.

496
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: I just think for me, as hard as it's been

497
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: at times to see a lot of the shit that's

498
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: out there and to know that what they're saying isn't true,

499
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: it's also been very therapeutic for me to just get

500
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: that shit off my chest with.

501
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Speaker 5: Some of it too, though, Is that a lot of

502
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 5: what the negative reaction that you experience is tied up

503
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 5: into really some people deep down in the places they

504
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 5: don't want to talk about it, Like what it's hitting

505
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 5: on is how they really feel about black women in general.

506
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: Facts.

507
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 5: That's why they try to look, if you put an

508
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 5: opinion out there, people are going to react to that opinion.

509
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 5: You have a right to criticize my opinion because I

510
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 5: put it out there. So I do understand that part.

511
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 5: The part that I reject is when they act as

512
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 5: if you don't even have a right.

513
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Speaker 6: To have an opinion.

514
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 5: That part that is different, right, because they're telling you

515
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: that you have no value that basically your lived experience,

516
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: it is meaningless even though you live the experience that

517
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 5: they're trying to gain insight into. That is the part

518
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 5: that I don't like. And I also, and I haven't

519
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 5: been shy about this. There are male analysts who have

520
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 5: not had that same lived experience who cannot speak to

521
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 5: what it's like to be not just a player in

522
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: the WNBA, to be one of the greatest players in

523
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 5: the WNBA, and to be one of the greatest players

524
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Speaker 5: in women's basketball history period. Having that knowledge base and

525
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 5: that institutional knowledge is important, and men are allowed to

526
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 5: be on shows and in position to speak about the

527
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 5: league having no institutional knowledge and being delightful about their

528
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 5: ignorance to say openly to a group, I don't know

529
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 5: anything about this, but here's why you should take my

530
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 5: opinion seriously anyway.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's crazy.

532
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 6: They're allowed to be automatic experts.

533
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Speaker 5: And I think what that, unfortunately does, is send the

534
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Speaker 5: message of how sometimes women our opinions get devalued and

535
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 5: how they're not even considered to be worthwhile, even if

536
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 5: it's something you actually.

537
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: Experienced, which is wild to me because that brings me

538
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: to the example of how many times being a person

539
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: who covers multiple sports like Jamelle and I we have

540
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: covered more than just women's basketball. I've covered NFL, MLB,

541
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: and to have someone to tell you that either your

542
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: opinion is invalidated because you've never.

543
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: Played football before.

544
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: First of all, I actually did play football for the

545
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: East sac Cowboys when I was in fourth poinde.

546
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: I was a wide receiver, if you might know.

547
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: But the point is, it's just that there is this

548
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: thing where the first thing, especially being a woman in

549
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 2: this space, is that your opinion is often devalued for

550
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: the sake of the fact that you have no experience

551
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: inset thing. And it makes me look at women like

552
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: Mina Kaimes for example, probably forgotten more football than some

553
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: people have ever learned. Incredible in that space, right, And

554
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: so for those saying people to step over into the

555
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: women's basketball space, and it's just I am one who

556
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: preaches that basketball is basketball in some aspects, but there

557
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: are some aspects in which NBA WNBA or men's basketball

558
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: and women's basketball are inherently different. And there are just

559
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: some opinions you can't offer based off what you know

560
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: about the NBA. It just does not translate here. But

561
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: I think the overall picture is we are sometimes often

562
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: put in positions as women in sports, as analysts, where

563
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: we can only battle back so far, we can only

564
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: push back so much. I think one thing is this

565
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: is levels to this that makes my level a little

566
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: different than you two is. I'm still like at that

567
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: middle point, right, So I have to balance the line

568
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: of being true to who I am, being authentic with

569
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 2: my voice and saying what I want to say, but

570
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: also understanding I haven't gotten a bag yet.

571
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: So I can't. I can't go all the way to

572
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: deep been right, Like I got to dip my toe.

573
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: See how much you're gonna let me go figure it

574
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: out from there, because I'm someone that's still positioning myself

575
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: within this space, within companies, within the avenues of having

576
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: to be presentable or professional in some way. But I

577
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: just will never compromise my values. I'll never compromise my opinion.

578
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: I won't compromise who I am. To your point, Jay,

579
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: I got to be able to sleep at night, and

580
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: if I feel I can't do that, then I just

581
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: not for you. But I think what makes it interesting

582
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: is that this wasn't always the case, Like the value

583
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: of authenticity wasn't always a thing in our space and

584
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: our business. It just wasn't when I first got into media.

585
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: And I'm like, y'all know, I wear wigs because that's

586
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: my thing, that's what I do. But in the beginning,

587
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: it was because I can't let y'all see my blond hair,

588
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: or I can't let y'all see how I look like.

589
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: I need to look like what the presentation is of

590
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: what an analyst or talent or broadcaster would look like,

591
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: because otherwise I won't be accepted into this space or

592
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: respected into the space. And then I don't know, something

593
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty where black people decided to finally say,

594
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: y'all have stepped on this man's neck, and we're fed

595
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: up with your shit, and now you want to see

596
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: us a little differently, Well, we welcome your braids, and

597
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: we welcome your weaves, and we welcome your blond here,

598
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: and we welcome your nails, and we welcome all this

599
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: authenticity and diversity that you bring to this space. And

600
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: it's just it's interesting because there was a time again

601
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: where those things wouldn't have been accepted, where those things

602
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: actually would have probably pushed you further and further to

603
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: the back. Just have there been moments where maybe you guys,

604
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: have felt that you haven't truly been able to say

605
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: what you want to say, or speak on how you

606
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: want to speak, or bring your authentic self to the

607
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: table because maybe there was something on the line that

608
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: you may not have been able to get because of it.

609
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting you bring that up in

610
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 5: this particular time because a lot of the things that

611
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: we saw that happened in twenty twenty, where you had

612
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 5: people opening the doors and welcoming black people and saying,

613
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 5: we want to hear about your experience, we want to

614
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: know where we could do better.

615
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that shit way, Scott.

616
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's gone because I knew it would be,

617
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 5: because the way that it was. I knew that people

618
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: sometimes oftentimes have nfortunately are only interested in systemic change

619
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: in moments because it requires a lot of hard work,

620
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 5: a lot of consistency, and it requires, most importantly you

621
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 5: to risk being ostracized to do it. And so that's

622
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 5: why allyship is something to be taken seriously. You don't

623
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 5: need an ally as doctor Yaba Blaze she said this before,

624
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 5: I don't need an ally, I need a co conspirator.

625
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 5: Those are different, right, And so a lot of people

626
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 5: aren't willing to be the co conspirator because that means

627
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 5: when inevitably the shit hits the fan, you have to

628
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: still be willing to stand on business, and they are

629
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 5: not because as soon as the temperature changes, then they

630
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 5: want to go back to what it was before. So

631
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 5: authenticity for black people and for black women and especially

632
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 5: is always a slippery slope and it's always something that

633
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: you have to evaluate moment by moment. As much as

634
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 5: I feel like I do have the most freedom in

635
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 5: terms of being able to really authentically be who I

636
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: am say what I want to say, I still have

637
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 5: constraints because I still have bills to pay, period, not

638
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: a large bills.

639
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 6: I still have bills to pay.

640
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: All right, And especially now where we see there's going

641
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: to be a deep progression, there's going to be a

642
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 5: different tone and temper to this nation that bleeds itself

643
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: into sports and entertainment, into all of those cultural things

644
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 5: that connect us. And so right now I live in

645
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 5: Los Angeles, a lot of black people in media are

646
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 5: having the conversation about where we fit as we change

647
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 5: into this new presidential administration, because, particularly for journalists, this

648
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 5: is probably the most critical time in our history, not

649
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: just in the way we have covered certain things, it's

650
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 5: critical because you're going to have someone in the White

651
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: House who has made no secret of the fact that

652
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 5: he considers journalists to be enemies. And when that's the case,

653
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: as we've already seen, is that people are already preemptively

654
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 5: bending the knee, and that's not what journalism was for.

655
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: The whole point of journalism is disruption. That's the whole

656
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: point of it. And so that's going to bleed into sports.

657
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: I just did a bonus episode on politics about how

658
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: the Trump presidency will impact the world of sports this

659
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: time around. Which you're going to see is that it's

660
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Speaker 5: going to be support of him is going to be

661
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: a lot more normalized.

662
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 6: There's going to be a lot of.

663
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: Leagues who, seeing that he although barely won the popular vote,

664
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: they consider that to be a mandate that hey, the

665
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 5: majority of people in this country, this is who they support.

666
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: So therefore we have to make sure that we coddle

667
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: that half of the country. That we center this half

668
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: of the country and I won't say half of the country.

669
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 5: Let me be clear, half of the people who voted.

670
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: That's different than half of the country. Yes, half of

671
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: the people who voted. There's this idea that we now

672
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: have to cater to those opinions and that belief system.

673
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: The problem is that when it's us even if we

674
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 5: are part of the majority opinion, that sentiment still exists anyway,

675
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 5: and so we sometimes find our authenticity having no place.

676
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 5: And I feel or a lot of us that are

677
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 5: in media right now, because I think this is going

678
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: to be a very difficult terrain to navigate.

679
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 6: It's going to be a.

680
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: Tricky time, and there are going to be I think,

681
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 5: harsher consequences for speaking out than there were before. But

682
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: this is when I feel like we have to stand

683
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: the tallest if we can. I certainly don't. I don't

684
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 5: at all judge anyone who has to make business decisions,

685
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: because I think we have to make those daily. We're

686
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 5: going to have to compromise somewhere, particularly if you want to.

687
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 6: Be in corporate media. It's going to have to happen.

688
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 5: Right What I've always tried to keep in mind is

689
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 5: I know when I have the leverage, I use it.

690
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 5: And sometimes what we will do is when we do

691
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: have that leverage and we can maybe make some systemic change,

692
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: is that we wind up talking ourselves out of it

693
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: because we are too worried about what they might think.

694
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: Yep.

695
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: And I'm like, when they got the leverage, they don't

696
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 5: worry about how we think. Why am I worrying about this?

697
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 6: At ESPN?

698
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: As you know, Tarica, particularly my last year, it was

699
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 5: a very difficult year to navigate. And one of the

700
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: reasons I left Sports Center is because I felt like

701
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 5: every day I had to come to work and was

702
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 5: just fighting to be authentic and I got tired of that.

703
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 6: He's like, why got to fight with you to be me?

704
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 6: Why do I have to do this?

705
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 5: And to me, the writing was on the wall in

706
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 5: many ways figuratively in Sports Center. In the set we

707
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: had a personality wall, and so on the personality wall,

708
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: me and my friend former TV partner Michael Smith. They

709
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 5: allowed us to have personal pictures of our families, things

710
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: that are important to us. So of course we had

711
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 5: up there our pictures with former President Barack Obama because

712
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 5: we got to go to.

713
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 6: The White House twice. Yeah, he was there.

714
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 5: He was a fan of our show, he loved watching ESPN,

715
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: and so we had those pictures up there. We had

716
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 5: a picture Biggie, We had a picture of Tommy Smith

717
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 5: and John Carlos, things that represented pop culture, revolutionary changes

718
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 5: in sports, that kind of thing, and yeah, of course

719
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: the first black president. We were told we had to

720
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 5: take it down.

721
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 6: Now.

722
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 5: The thing is, the only picture they wanted us to

723
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 5: take down was the one really with Baraco Obama. But

724
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 5: then like that, Yeah, so they made us take down everything. Wow, Wow,

725
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 5: a new presidency had occurred, Yes, why we had to.

726
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 6: Suddenly take it down.

727
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: And so I feel like things like that are things

728
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 5: we've all had to certainly deal with in our career.

729
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 5: But unfortunately, I think we're about to hit a moment

730
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 5: where those types of things are about to get worse

731
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: and much more bolder in terms of how people view authenticity,

732
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 5: because it's only, as we know, it's only certain people

733
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: that are allowed to be authentic. That's it, apologizing, that's it,

734
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 5: and none of them look like anybody on this call

735
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 5: right now, which is interesting. I think one thing that

736
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 5: we've come to find, and I know Cheryl you can

737
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: definitely speak to this, is that there are so many

738
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: athletes now who have transitioned over into the media space

739
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: right and that can be a good thing on many levels.

740
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: You have the experience, you understand the game from a

741
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 5: different perspective. You're giving the audience another way to view

742
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: what's going on and to understand what's happening on the

743
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 5: corridor on the field or whatever and whatever sector it is.

744
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: But it also can prove to be incredibly difficult for some,

745
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 5: not all, but for some to separate that I am

746
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 5: no longer a player, that I am now in this

747
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 5: space as an analyst, that I am now in this space.

748
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 5: And I can imagine it could be incredibly difficult for someone,

749
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 5: you know, like a Chenea Gumakay a few years ago,

750
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: who was still playing while also being in media. But

751
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 5: I think it becomes increasingly difficult to separate those lines

752
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 5: for the audience and for you. I would love to

753
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 5: know what that's like, trying to be the professional in

754
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 5: your sport, trying to be the color commentator, trying to

755
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 5: offer that opinion as an analyst, while also understanding that

756
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 5: I've got to be very careful how I told this line,

757
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: because there are some who won't understand I am no

758
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 5: longer a player and I am not speaking as a player.

759
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 3: It's hard.

760
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I want to go back and touch on one thing

761
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: that y'all are just talking about. As far as you know,

762
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: lots of times people say, just be you right, show up,

763
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: be your authentic self.

764
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: That's what we.

765
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: Want, And in reality, I'm like but do you really

766
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: because your actions, the way you're treating me and things

767
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: you're saying to me say differently. You know what's hard is,

768
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: especially being a former player and then becoming an analyst

769
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: or a color commentator, is I call the game the

770
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: way I see it as a former player, and it

771
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter who the player is.

772
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: Great example, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese.

773
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Right, because this is kind of sort of where all

774
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: the stuff started with me. My very first statement that

775
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: I made when Angel and Caitlyn were coming out of

776
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: college was that I didn't think either of them would dominate.

777
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: The league immediately.

778
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: But everybody only took you said Caitlyn wouldn't dominate immediately.

779
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: No one really cared about what I said about Angel,

780
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: and my response was no, I said that about both

781
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: of them. Again, it's my opinion, and what I mean

782
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: by don domde is if they're dominating, then they should

783
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: come in from game one, from day one and put

784
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: up thirty forty.

785
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I felt like Angel may

786
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: have done it a little bit quicker than Caitlin because

787
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: she came in getting double doubles. Right. That's neither here

788
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: nor there. I only bring that.

789
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Up to say I had an opportunity, so I thought

790
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: to do studio for Ion because remember Ion carried some

791
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: WNBA games this year. Ion reached out to my agent,

792
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: had the deal done, and this was on a Friday.

793
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: The deal was done. I get home, I'm on the plane.

794
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: When I get off the plane, I have a message

795
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: from my agent that says call me. I was like,

796
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: all right, cool, So I call her and she says

797
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Ion's off the table. So I was like, what do

798
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: you mean. It was only missing my signature. So apparently

799
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I think I know who it was. But apparently someone

800
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: from the league called Ion and said we do not

801
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: want Sheryl Swoops doing studio because of her Caitlyn Clark comments.

802
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: And I only bring that up to say, yes, it

803
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: is hard because I'm trying to be me and I'm

804
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: being honest. I'm calling it like I said, that's what

805
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: you ask me for, that's what you're paying me for.

806
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Yet I can only do that with certain players, and

807
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: for me, that's when it becomes more than basketball. And

808
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: that's where I have to decide how important is this

809
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: for me? Because one thing I'm always gonna do always,

810
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: I am always going to stand for right, and when

811
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: fans and people were coming for Diamond to Shields saying oh,

812
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: I hope you have another tumor and die I reached

813
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: out to Diamond and I was like, Sis, we got you.

814
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: We're here for you, keep your head up.

815
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: They took that as me saying keep fouling Caitlyn Clark

816
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: hard right, which my post had nothing to do with Caitlyn.

817
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: I do not appreciate how.

818
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: Fans, especially this year, felt so comfortable coming for certain players,

819
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: and not a single person former player or not a

820
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: single person stood up for those players. And that's where

821
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, as a former player to me,

822
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: right now, this isn't about me being a commentator and an analyst,

823
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: but this is about me as a former player saying

824
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: this shit is not okay and somebody needs to stand

825
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: up and speak up.

826
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: So has that affected me and has that hurt my

827
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 3: pocketbook a little bit? Yeah? It absolutely has.

828
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm going to go back

829
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: to something Jamelle said, and you said, I sleep very

830
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: well at night because I know that what I've done,

831
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: what I try to continue to do, is only standing

832
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: up for what's right and having the backs of these

833
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: current players.

834
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 5: That's also something that does a disservice to women and

835
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: a disservice to women in the league in the sense

836
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: that it makes it feel it makes it seem like

837
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 5: they need protection for just yeah, yeah, pretty standard basketball criticism.

838
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 5: And it doesn't just service to her because you're saying

839
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: that her feelings.

840
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 6: And by the way, she may not even felt any

841
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 6: kind of way about you.

842
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

843
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: I agree with that she probably didn't.

844
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: Now mind you, if you remember this or not.

845
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: I did reach out to her, so we had a

846
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: text exchange, like we were cool.

847
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: It was everybody else that had an issue with it, That's.

848
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 6: What I'm saying. And it's like that.

849
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 5: And when I started to hear that when you had

850
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 5: Jeff t talking about they need to take it easy

851
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: on her, not foul her and let her score and

852
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 5: all this, and I'm like, do you realize how the

853
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 5: idea of that is so super insulting to the women

854
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 5: who play in this league and to her in particular,

855
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 5: because there's nothing in her personality that says that.

856
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 6: She wants to take.

857
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: Nothing.

858
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 5: She wants to go through what she's supposed to go through.

859
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: Because as a player, that's what makes you feel competitive

860
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 5: and accomplished. I don't love the optics of that, because again,

861
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 5: we should be able to criticize women in the league

862
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: like we would any other basketball player, like the mane

863
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 5: the man, Oh my god, Charles Barkley, like every day,

864
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 5: how much shat Dwight House have a feature of this show, right,

865
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 5: Nobody calling Shack petty or jealous.

866
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 6: They just laughing as he.

867
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Called Rudy Gobert the worst defensive player of the year

868
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: and his and I was like.

869
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you.

870
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Shock, how nobody blowing yours up about you?

871
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: Nobody like you might have a tough time when you

872
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 5: go to France, but that's about it.

873
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: You stray Like It's just it's interesting how the balance

874
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: of trying to remain professional while also trying to remain

875
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: who you are in any given situation, right, even when

876
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: it's not pertaining the sports. Even as we just went

877
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: through this presidential election, I had no problem sharing who

878
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: I was supporting. I had no problem sharing why I

879
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: was supporting that person, And quite honestly, I was hoping

880
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: more people would share on the other end of the

881
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: aisle that they were supporting Donald Trump, because that helps

882
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: me figure out how to move him a new around you.

883
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: I understand that there are people who you obviously can't

884
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: help but to work with because of whatever situation you

885
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: will be in. But I feel better when I know

886
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: what I'm dealing with than when I have to guess

887
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: or try to figure it out. So I appreciate knowing

888
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: the kind of people that are in my workplace or

889
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: the kind of people that I have to maneuver around.

890
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: But it definitely comes with a bit of backlash at times,

891
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: and now more than anything, it's going to come with

892
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: them even deeper backlash. And what I love is that

893
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: we get an opportunity to hear about this and more

894
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: on politics, because Jamille, this is what you do and

895
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: what you talk about on a regular basis.

896
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: And I have loved every episode.

897
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: I think my favorite has to be the episode that

898
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: you have with Dan Lebatar, just because I also worked

899
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: with Dan and talked to Dan and understood like that

900
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: was an episode that I was like, wow, I really

901
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: felt that, and so just kind of take a second

902
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: to share with us why it was important for you

903
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: to have a show that really talked about the intersection

904
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: between the two and how that intersection has always been there,

905
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: even when folks didn't really want to recognize it.

906
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 5: The relationship between sports and politics has been a long

907
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 5: standing one, and that opening episode with Lebatar, I have

908
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 5: an essay at the top of the podcast where I

909
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: talk about how when George Washington was running for president,

910
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 5: and he used to host election parties and he'd get

911
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: people all liquored up and they would play sports games,

912
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: and so he was using sports, and as did many

913
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 5: of the early presidents, they use sports to connect with

914
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: their electorate. Andrew Jackson was a huge gambler, loved to

915
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 5: bet the ponies, as they say, and so with a

916
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: lot of our early American history, you saw that relationship

917
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 5: that was there. The difference was that when there were

918
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: mostly white people forging that relationship and contextualizing it, there

919
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 5: was a much different reaction. But when black athletes started

920
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: to begin to use their platforms to speak to the

921
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 5: conditions of their people, to be able to use sports

922
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 5: to get into entry places or gain entry into places

923
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 5: where we were normally not there, and it seemed we

924
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 5: were closing that gap with white America in certain ways.

925
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 5: Then the idea of stick to sports and politics and

926
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 5: sports not mixing became a thing because it's not really

927
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: about whether or not sports and politics mix.

928
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 6: It's about whose politics do I agree with?

929
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 5: And if I agree with them, then it's not political,

930
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: But when I don't agree with them, then it's too much.

931
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 6: Yeah.

932
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: So I think this is a very interesting and complicated

933
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 5: relationship to examine, and that's what I wanted to use

934
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 5: the podcast to do. Of course, naturally, I'm going to

935
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: spend a lot of time talking about women's sports because

936
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 5: I think so much of what's happening in women's sports

937
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 5: is shaping or at least influenced by what's happening politically.

938
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: I had Terry Jackson on that WNBA executive director of

939
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 5: the Players' Union, and Terry's amazing, and I wanted people

940
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 5: to understand how sports, in very many ways is the

941
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 5: backbone of the American labor movement. The WNBA players have

942
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 5: opted out of their collective bargaining agreement, and that is

943
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: helping people understand how the existence of sports unions, what

944
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 5: they mean, and why it's important in this moment that

945
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 5: these women, why they have an incredible amount of leverage,

946
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 5: fight for the things that they need to fight for.

947
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 6: A lot of.

948
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: People don't understand that the WNBA salaries only account for

949
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 5: nine percent of the revenue that's being brought in in

950
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: the NBA. I think the players get so they're getting

951
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 5: the majority and even helping the people understand these narratives

952
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: that are out there because the evaluation the WNBA teams

953
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: is skyrocketing to such a point that's why people.

954
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 6: Want to get in on them.

955
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 5: But nevertheless, even as we think about politics, we know

956
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 5: it's so divisive in our country right now, but the

957
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: great thing about sports is that it's still the one

958
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 5: thing that we do together. It's the one thing that

959
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: we're not segregated in. Doesn't matter your gender, your race,

960
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 5: your economic background.

961
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 6: We can all be shurel Swoops fans, right.

962
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 5: And so because of that, sports gives to me the

963
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 5: entry point to talk about something that's like a little

964
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: bit more complicated and maybe talk about it in a

965
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: way that's not fraught with such negative energy, that where

966
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: we have an opportunity to learn and understand and connect

967
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 5: the dots. So that was my goal was politics, and

968
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 5: I wanted it to happen in an election year because

969
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 5: even now with Donald Trump promising to shut down the

970
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 5: Department of Education, as I've tried to remind people, and

971
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: as I did in the Bonus episode, is like I

972
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 5: was under the Department of nine.

973
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 6: So I ever believe this is going to become a

974
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 6: sports issue.

975
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 5: We saw that one of the most effective campaign as

976
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 5: he ran was about a transgender athlete. Politics will be

977
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 5: on the doorstep of sports, whether they would want.

978
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: It to be or not.

979
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: Cheryl, I had a question for you. I know that

980
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: by the time this episode's aired, we will be past Thanksgiving,

981
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: and that's fine, but I'd like to know. I like

982
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: to know what's going to be on your table on Thursday.

983
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: So can you remember we had this conversation.

984
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm one of those old school wives, so it doesn't

985
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: really matter if it's two of us, me and my

986
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: husband or if it's a bunch of us. So he says, baby,

987
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: what do we have it? And I said, what do

988
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: you want? And it's the usual. So the usual for

989
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: us is Thursday morning, I will get up and go

990
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: to my garden and harvest smiles, dunk collared.

991
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: And mustard grade. They just taste very different.

992
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: So we'll have collar greens, our yams, cornborad dressing, not stuffing.

993
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: I don't do stuffing.

994
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: There is a difference dressing corner dressing, oven baked mashed potatoes.

995
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's delicious, it's different.

996
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't do desserts, so I just go buy my

997
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm a big patty LaBelle.

998
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, you're going to Walmart

999
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: to get they come away?

1000
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: Did you know you were supposed to warm them up though?

1001
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: Because I didn't, I just go straight to the wa

1002
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: You just ate it straight straight out the damn bar,

1003
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: like a straight up the box too. I didn't know.

1004
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: I wasn't aware that you da I will this year.

1005
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I was like, let me know to

1006
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: this thing.

1007
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 5: I because when you said you were gonna go buy

1008
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 5: your dessert, because you know everybody. I don't know if

1009
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: this is just something unique to black culture, but everybody

1010
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 5: know a cake a pie. Lady like, we don't, we

1011
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 5: don't do we do?

1012
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: Right?

1013
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 6: Are going to see the cake?

1014
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: No? We do?

1015
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: I just I got my order in late, and I

1016
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: feel really bad because she was.

1017
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: Like, whoops, you know I got your baby right when

1018
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: I was like, listen, don't stress yourself. I'll pay you extra,

1019
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: but don't stress yourself. But it's that's right.

1020
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: But I just do the pecan pie because it's old

1021
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: school pecan pie.

1022
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: And it's saying, that's another thing, a question for you

1023
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: on hold on, shirl real quick.

1024
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: So what kind of pie a pecan?

1025
00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: She I was like, and then because I saw in

1026
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 5: your face, I was like, or pe can?

1027
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I could get rugged on and say but come.

1028
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: But day you got people all over social media about

1029
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: some turkey.

1030
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 6: Oh so yo. So here's what it is.

1031
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: Now.

1032
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 5: The thing is, I'll make so my mom is in

1033
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 5: town for Thanksgiving, and I'm so proud because I think

1034
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 5: it was either last year the year before. I feel

1035
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 5: like it was a year before when she told me

1036
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 5: I now officially have the title I got.

1037
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 6: I am the best. I have the best mac and

1038
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 6: cheese and and and dressing.

1039
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: The I need the mac and cheese recipe. I try

1040
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: to make it, but it's every year I'm doing a

1041
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: different recipe.

1042
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 5: No, in fact, I can text. I'm a text it

1043
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 5: to you. It's like crazy, I just got that goodness

1044
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 5: that you need.

1045
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: Do you put eggs in it?

1046
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 6: I actually do not.

1047
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 5: But you know what my if you want to call

1048
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 5: it a secret in Giarion is sweetened this milk put

1049
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 5: a little sweetened this milk. And it's the main thing

1050
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 5: you don't want.

1051
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 6: Is for your mac and cheese to get drun.

1052
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: To get drowned.

1053
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: Now, between the cheese, I do a bunch of different cheeses,

1054
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 5: like five different cheeses. But I also use on top

1055
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 5: of the sweet in dense milk, so I can't believe

1056
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: it's not butter as well.

1057
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 6: And so it was little game change.

1058
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: I not only need the recipe, I need the directions

1059
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: on how to make I got you don't just send

1060
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: me the recipe be talking about it.

1061
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 5: But I mean, maybe this is why Thanksgiving is my

1062
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 5: favorite holiday. And I growing up as a kid, it

1063
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 5: was Christmas because you get gifts, so it's very saying.

1064
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 5: Plus my birthday is December twenty first, so it always

1065
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: all right there, it's right there. But here's the thing

1066
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 5: is that Thanksgiving it's just usually it's just one thousand

1067
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 5: percent about food, family and football at the third f

1068
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 5: that's really important. But more importantly, it's that institutional knowledge

1069
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 5: that you get from the elders in terms of how

1070
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 5: to make things. And I underestimated how important that was.

1071
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 5: My grandmother was alive. I spent no time in the kitchen.

1072
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 5: It was like her and my mama's thing. They was

1073
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 5: up in there. But when my grandmother passed and it's

1074
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 5: just me and my mom and my mother's only child,

1075
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 5: is like, my mom has taught me everything that she

1076
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 5: learned from my grandmother in terms of how to make it.

1077
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 5: And that's really especially when it comes to the dressing

1078
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 5: the mac and cheese. That end of the day, I

1079
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 5: still can't. I have never tried to do my own turkey.

1080
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 5: And so this gets back to what Tarrika was saying

1081
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 5: about social media. So word on the streets streets is

1082
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 5: saying that the Costco smoked turkey is fire. So they're

1083
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: saying it's fire. Now, I don't know if it's as

1084
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 5: good as the Popeyes one. Everybody swears by the Popeyes.

1085
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: Everybody turkey.

1086
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 5: They got the Casian turkey, but you can never get

1087
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 5: that joint because they all I'm like, do y'all purposely

1088
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 5: under supply order?

1089
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: I think you got to pre order. You got to.

1090
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: I know, I tried, and it's like I can't get

1091
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 5: in on the hustle, Like I need to connect you

1092
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 5: out there Asian turkey Popeyes connected.

1093
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: I need the Pope connected, but I need to connect.

1094
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 6: I need to know. But my husband, he was to Costco.

1095
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 5: He was like, yo, it was like the last one

1096
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 5: left and people was not playing, but just the one.

1097
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 6: So we will. I'll give you all the review. I'm

1098
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 6: sure Medium had to pick up my honey baked ham.

1099
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 6: Gotta have a.

1100
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: Honey gotta have a honey based ham.

1101
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 6: Gotta have a honey baked ham.

1102
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: Right, that's bast when it picked that up.

1103
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 5: And then I'm gonna actually, as of the time of

1104
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 5: this recording, I'm gonna start prepping today. And then because

1105
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: I don't I try to be one of them black

1106
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: people who don't tell you that the dinner starts at three,

1107
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 5: and it's really got to be that person.

1108
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 3: I try not to be, but I am.

1109
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 6: I know, but every year it was God that much.

1110
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 5: It'll be like, I'll give people the loose time of three,

1111
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 5: but it'll probably be like four four thirty. But I

1112
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 5: swear one of these times, I'm gonna hit this three o'clock.

1113
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: See your girl is spoiled. I grew up with my

1114
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: great grandparents. Grandma said, dinner started two, dinner started too.

1115
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: If you're there at two thirty, you missed out of chiplins.

1116
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: That's your fault because you showed up like I wouldn't be.

1117
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: I'll be mad as hell because I will tear some

1118
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: chiplins up. That's just me. I'm standing on it. I'm

1119
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: not debating, and give me some hustles and it's going down.

1120
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: Do you hear me? I only ate my mom's chitlings,

1121
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: and that's how my mom passed.

1122
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: I have.

1123
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: That was seven years ago.

1124
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 6: That is the.

1125
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 3: Life anymore. You're talking about getting recipes from the elders.

1126
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: The only recipe I will not get is how to

1127
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: make chitlings, because the moment she tells me how to

1128
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: make it, she will no longer make them. And I

1129
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: can't do that.

1130
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: I need her continue to make it. That's the slat part.

1131
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: Anything you want your mama to make you forever, don't

1132
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: ever learn how to make it.

1133
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: Just make her do it.

1134
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 5: Know what you are so right? Because ever since my

1135
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 5: mom taught me how to do the mac and cheese

1136
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 5: ad dresses, she ain't made it.

1137
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 6: She made it about six years.

1138
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: I blame you. You know how to do that.

1139
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: I don't have to blame your kitchen supervising me like

1140
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: you might need a little bit more at I was

1141
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: like I tell people learning how to cook it is

1142
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: like learning how to play spades. You're supposed to just

1143
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: watch and figure it out. Because here's the thing.

1144
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

1145
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: I don't even understand how we get real recipes. My

1146
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: mom has never measured ship shed just be like, put

1147
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: a dash it at and then put us pinch it

1148
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: at in and pull a little bit of what the

1149
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: hell is a little bit afore?

1150
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: But we don't measure up. I have our.

1151
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: Ancestors parents measuring cups because there was this one recipe

1152
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: I wanted. My mom used to make this homemade pie,

1153
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: and so I was like, okay, and now I can't

1154
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: make it because I don't have the recipes. She was like,

1155
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: you don't measure girl, because I go with the measuring spoons,

1156
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: measuring tub. I'm like, Mama, she was like, girl, no,

1157
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: just a little bit dash of that, a spoon of this.

1158
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: Let me taste this a little bit more. Yeah, we

1159
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: ain't got no real recipes.

1160
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 5: That's the hard part about this maca cheese recipe is

1161
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 5: that I can't tell you any measures.

1162
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 6: Because I never heard that.

1163
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you what goes in them, and gitterally

1164
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: how much you might want to put it there. Hey, okay,

1165
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell you, like, okay, put three cups of cheese.

1166
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: You don't have to give me the measurements. But I

1167
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 3: need to know, like you know something and then you

1168
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: gotta fold it over or whatever like like that's what

1169
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: I need to know. I love black people. I love

1170
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: us just related, no matter.

1171
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 6: What it feels like, we were all. We all grew

1172
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 6: up in the.

1173
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: Same I grew up in the same crib. That's so funny.

1174
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1175
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: And to this day I still listen to the Thanksgiving

1176
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: episode of His and Hers because the draft classic classic.

1177
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: I still be on Josh, like, Josh, how you draft

1178
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: pumpkin pie?

1179
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: Bro? What are we doing anyway?

1180
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: Like that one was gonna be left on the table.

1181
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: That's the last one, no matter what.

1182
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 6: I just say.

1183
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 5: Real quick though, Cheryl, for those who have not made

1184
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 5: sweet potato pie, I'm not a baker either, but sweet

1185
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 5: potato pie.

1186
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 6: I found a really good sweet spot.

1187
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 5: With that, just because it's one of the easiest things

1188
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 5: to make. It really is because you just basically you

1189
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 5: you season the sweet potatoes or until you have the

1190
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 5: desired about a sweetness, so you just going base. I

1191
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 5: couldn't tell you, like four cups of sugar brown to

1192
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 5: you generally brown.

1193
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 6: Sugar butter, white sugar butter.

1194
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you.

1195
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 6: You just do it to taste like I'm.

1196
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie to you like that. By the time

1197
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: I finished, I don't want to do desserts. No, I

1198
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: don't let me go.

1199
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: Buy me and Patty, Getty, we're good. I heard that

1200
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: because like you were that much. Yes, it's too much.

1201
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 5: I'm always the last one to eat when I cook anyway,

1202
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 5: because part of it.

1203
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 6: I mean, first of all, well.

1204
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: You're eating, you're eating while you're cooking, you're eating while

1205
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: you're going, and I'm sipping while I'm going, So like it.

1206
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: See, I was something to say.

1207
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: I can't beat the person to be trusted with the

1208
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 2: entire meal, because if I got to cook the entire meal,

1209
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: by the time I'm done with my drink, girl, something

1210
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: is burned up.

1211
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: I done left something something still, So don't trust me.

1212
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: A chef too, so he can cook any and everything,

1213
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: but he yeah, this year he has to work on Thanksgiving,

1214
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: So I'm going to cook something so that something could

1215
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: be done when he gets home. But by the time

1216
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: we get to that part. I have already been to

1217
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: faux houses, and I have already let him know of

1218
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: them and let them know he ain't come Hans.

1219
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: About seven thirty eight o'clock.

1220
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: So by the time we get there, I are already

1221
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: and I've already let them know. I will see you

1222
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: at one thirty. I will see you at three twenty five.

1223
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: I will see you at four fifty.

1224
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: Schedule. Don't worry about my box. I already got it

1225
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: with you.

1226
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: Got to tup away, I got to We do eat

1227
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: an actual meal at each house.

1228
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: I eat a little something like, say you got two starches,

1229
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: if you got rice and mashed potatoes, I'll pick one.

1230
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: I'll pick one and then pack the other. There is

1231
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: quite little.

1232
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: See, when you are a person who has lived in

1233
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: various states outside of where your home family is, you

1234
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: have to figure out how to get through holidays. And

1235
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: I'd in bed in North Carolina and Florida, Connecticut. I'd

1236
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: have been everywhere except in Michigan on Thanksgiving so often

1237
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: that I have now figured out how to get through

1238
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: these holidays and eat good, so I ain't worried.

1239
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: I'm straight.

1240
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, this stuff when you live outside of where your

1241
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 5: home family is yeah, because with Thanksgiving, me and my

1242
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 5: favorite holiday, I was real picky about whose house I

1243
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 5: went to, right because if you mess up my Thanksgiving,

1244
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be mad for ever.

1245
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: See what I mean.

1246
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: If not coming there and I see some raisins in

1247
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: the potato selling, we're gonna fight first.

1248
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 6: Less simple.

1249
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm not visiting nobody who I even suspect would put

1250
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: races in.

1251
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'll see you as friends giving friend, you.

1252
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.

1253
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 5: Because friends giving, my expectations are much, very low. And

1254
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 5: it just reminded me of a friend of mine who

1255
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 5: years ago told me this story about she went to

1256
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 5: this woman's house and when I tell you this, you

1257
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 5: will probably guess perhaps the racist the woman who did this,

1258
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 5: and she was. The woman was so excited. She was

1259
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, I did greens this year. I've never

1260
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 5: done it before, which was an automatic where we're going

1261
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 5: with this, And she said she couldn't fix her face

1262
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 5: because when the woman took the greens out of the oven,

1263
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: which I was out of it, and they were not

1264
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 5: out of the oven, and she wasn't keeping them in

1265
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 5: there to warm them, to make sure that she was

1266
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: cooking them.

1267
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 6: She was cooking them.

1268
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: She was baking greensked greens, and when my girl looked

1269
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 5: at these greens, blessed her heart.

1270
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 6: She had not cleaned.

1271
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 3: She ain't clean or cut him. Huh.

1272
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 6: It was a holy I don't know who led her wrong.

1273
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 6: And I was where did she get this recipe? And

1274
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 6: I was like, and that's why.

1275
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 5: You can't need everybody house on things. Much like when

1276
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 5: you apply for an apartment or a car, I'm gonna

1277
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 5: need a cooking history.

1278
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 6: Are report of your cooking?

1279
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: We've never heard.

1280
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 6: I was like, but where does she think?

1281
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: Why the oven?

1282
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 6: That's what I was like, I.

1283
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: Why what if you can just google something and know

1284
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: not to put them in the oven?

1285
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 5: I have to say, though, this is how long ago

1286
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 5: this happened. This preceded Google, didn't preceded what we were

1287
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 5: using our you know how we google everything. Now we YouTube,

1288
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 5: we can't figure it out. It was before that friend.

1289
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: Come on, now, that was just.

1290
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 6: She clearly didn't know the right ones.

1291
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 5: I think she guessed. I told my girl. I was like,

1292
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 5: I think she was thinking it was kind of like asparagus.

1293
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 5: I don't know why, but like I she was thinking.

1294
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: That because she didn't watch them green child, I can't no, yeah,

1295
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: so that I can't Kntan and everybody I have, I

1296
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: have to have eating at your house before to know

1297
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: that you can be trusted for Thankgiving and and I

1298
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: can always tell too, depending on if you're hosting, if

1299
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh yeah, the family coming over at two, Okay, you.

1300
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: Do it right, you got folks coming over, then you

1301
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 3: do this. But at this.

1302
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: Show, this is my first time hosting that right there

1303
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: is let me know how it goes, and then maybe

1304
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: I'll be there.

1305
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 3: Maybe i'll be there next.

1306
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: Year Deserve and that'll be we'll figure that out. I

1307
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: feel oh my god, Jamil, it has been a pleasure

1308
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: to have you on the show kicking it with us today.

1309
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you guys have this platform, and just

1310
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 5: the more women in the space the better. But you two,

1311
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 5: in particular, you have such distinct and authentic voices. So

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Speaker 5: I'm just happy to be a part of the conversation

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Speaker 5: and happy that you're able to be put in a

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Speaker 5: position where others can understand the brilliance that is so

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Speaker 5: obvious to watch you for a long time. So thank

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Speaker 5: you so much, Loving.

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Speaker 3: You're the best.

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Speaker 1: You keep keeping here because we need you, we need you,

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: we need you more now than ever before.

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Speaker 5: Yes, like a lot of like we on vacate.

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: It's above me now, it's above me now.

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Speaker 1: Like now, I don't know what to tell you, okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I will say I just.

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Speaker 6: Need we got to regroup and then yeah, I think

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Speaker 6: we'll be back.

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Speaker 5: But as I tell a lot of other young folks,

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Speaker 5: you have no choice to be you because everyone else

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Speaker 5: is taking Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that. I love love that.

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Speaker 5: Holiday, and you too, are so much and any time

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Speaker 5: ital I'm gonna seit you there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to. I'm gonna take it. How money,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a picture of it. I'm gonna send

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Speaker 3: it to you.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: I got you only if it looked great.

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Speaker 3: If it'll look right, you're gonna picture.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited about the conversation that we just

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01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: had with Jamil, and I say I'm excited because it

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Speaker 2: just reaffirms and read validates everything that I already thought

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: that number one being who you are, being true to

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01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: who you are, finding your voice and talking about it

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: in a very authentic way is the thing to do

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: And it won't please everybody.

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01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: But as long as it pleases you and you can

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Speaker 2: sleep well at night, you good, Cheryl, That's.

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Speaker 3: It, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Jay is always dropping gems And I said this, I've

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Speaker 1: admired her from afar right, just watching her navigate life

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: and navigate when shit ain't going great, when shit is

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01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: going great, and to see her in the space she's

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: in today.

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Speaker 3: We need Jay, we need her voice, and we need

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Speaker 3: more people like her. So y'all keep doing you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep doing you, doing you, And just you know,

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01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: we only got a few more weeks left in this year,

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: to be honest, right, So it doesn't feel like it,

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01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: but realistically, there's only a few more weeks left in

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: this year. So we got to bring twenty twenty four

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: to a close with a bang and really look at

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Speaker 2: how we are going to make an impact in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. So we got a few weeks to really

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Speaker 2: put it together, and voices like hers help us continue

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01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: to do that. So as we leveled off tonight's show

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Speaker 2: what you got for us today?

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Speaker 3: Cheryl? All right? So giving everybody a little something to

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Speaker 3: level up.

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Speaker 1: This is a note to self, and it goes along

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Speaker 1: a little bit with what Jay just said. In the

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01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: conversation we had so note to self. You can't control

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Speaker 1: how other people receive your energy. Anything you do or

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01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: say gets filtered through the lens of whatever personal shit

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: they are going through at the moment, which is not

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: about you. Just keep doing your thing with as much

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Speaker 1: integrity and love as possible.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you realiz how much I needed that

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01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: today because some ship went down and I had to

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: take a step back to keep this seven mile in

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01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: keep this Detroit girl in check. And that right there,

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01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: just that right there was just something for me that

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: is an absolutely having this conversation, and we hope that

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Speaker 2: you know.

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: What saying that, and this is a party.

1385
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: Make sure because you subscribed to some shodcasting and find us.

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: I saw the iHeart Radio as you can.

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to just gave you the maybe her media.

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: I am a sports understanding.

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Speaker 1: The lady you said to him, this is a black guy, right,

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01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: she said, don't step on my sign on the floor.

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01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: If you step on that sign, she said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take you out, bide it and hang you or something.

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: And please don't forget that. I had to do also

1394
01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: keep up with all the women's ports that work on Instagram.

1395
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 3: I had to decide if I was going to be a.

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: Week or keeping you and and so I left alone

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: with us time, so he said. And I chose the thermostat,

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: he said, because the thermometer tells you the temperature in

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Speaker 1: the room. The thermometer is like, you go in, you

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01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: look at the thermometer, you see what the temperature is,

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Speaker 1: which was the lady, yes.

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Speaker 3: And then the thermostat.

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01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: You control the thermostats that, yeah, you can make it hotter,

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: you can make colder, he said. So I was a thermostat.

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01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: So I decided that I wasn't gonna let the thermometer

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Speaker 1: control what was going on. Yeah, And so I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I need to remember that because there

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: are so many times we're in shit and we could

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Speaker 1: choose to be a thermometer or a thermostat, and I

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Speaker 1: need to choose to be a thermostat more than allowing

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Speaker 1: the thermometer to control the situation.

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Speaker 3: You are so one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 2: And on that note, I think that's an excellent way

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Speaker 2: to close out. So as you guys go into this week,

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01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: choose to be a thermostat. I love that one percent.

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Speaker 2: So as always Cheryl, it is a pleasure to hang

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: out with you, and I just really appreciate everybody for

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: tuning in to us week after week, So thank you all.

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: For continuing to listen to Levels to This.

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more next level conversations

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01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: about the shit that we all go through as women.

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01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: But please remember this isn't.

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01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: Just our show. It's our show, so we want to

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01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 2: hear from you. You can leave us a review in

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01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: Apple Podcast, or you can email our show at Levels

1426
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: to This Podcast at Gmail. Tell us what you thought

1427
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: of this week's guest. What do you want to talk

1428
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: about next? You can also follow us on Instagram at

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: ltt pod, But until then, keep your mentals ground level

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01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: and we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 3: Peace.

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