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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. As usual, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of news stories for you this week, including the

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Speaker 1: surprising death of Malcolm Jamal Warner and Ozzy Osbourne died.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exactly a shocking death, but

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Speaker 1: it still is an icon of my childhood, so super

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Speaker 1: bummed out about that. We have an update on the

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Speaker 1: Air India plane crash, a freak accident involving a man

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Speaker 1: who was sucked into an MRI machine, a surrogacy scam,

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Speaker 1: a flesh eating bacteria that is killing people in the South,

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Speaker 1: and an episode of Mother Knows Death wouldn't be complete

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Speaker 1: without talking about a little diarrhea on a cruise ship.

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Speaker 1: All that in on today's episode. Let's get started with

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Speaker 1: this news of Ozzy Osbourne.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, it's not that sudden, like I'm a little

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Speaker 2: surprised by this.

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Speaker 1: His life was outrageous. It's amazing that he's made it

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Speaker 1: to seventy six years old.

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Speaker 2: He is seventy six years old. So as of we're

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Speaker 2: recording this, I mean, this is like pretty breaking news.

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Speaker 2: So they haven't released a cause of death yet, but

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Speaker 2: we know he lived a hard lifestyle. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, I haven't heard.

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Speaker 1: He literally like bit the head off of a bat.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you put it that way, I guess it's

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Speaker 2: pretty not surprising, but I don't know. I just I

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Speaker 2: feel like typically you hear rumblings like we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about Connie Francis tomorrow, for example, Like I saw on

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Speaker 2: TMC last week that she was in the hospital, so like,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't that surprised when subsequently she had died, right,

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Speaker 2: But in this.

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Speaker 1: Case, yeah, And I mean it sucks because it was

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Speaker 1: I just saw within the past couple of weeks he

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Speaker 1: his daughter Kelly, who we love from Fashion Police. God,

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Speaker 1: I love that show and missed that show so much

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Speaker 1: in Joan Rivers, but she had just gotten engaged to

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Speaker 1: online that she was really shocked about it. So it

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Speaker 1: was really cool that he got to see at least

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Speaker 1: get engaged. But I mean, seventy six is still kind

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Speaker 1: of on the younger side to die. But he definitely

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Speaker 1: so he got a good chance at life considering his lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, you're right. I just I don't know. No,

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes you would just see even when I just

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Speaker 2: I think I saw Willie Nelson in like two thoy

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Speaker 2: I see him play at the Borgata in Olympic City

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Speaker 2: next week. And he's still playing all these years later.

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Speaker 1: Dudes, it had died. It's so crazy. Like I saw

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Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne. He used to do this thing called the

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Speaker 1: was twenty five years ago. Like, I don't even know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into the other There's just like a

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Speaker 1: Also, this one's another one that's just so frickin' upsetting.

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Speaker 2: So Malcolm Jamal Warner aka theo Huxtable from The Cosby

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a lot of people have this misconception

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Speaker 1: And going in the water is one of the funnest

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Speaker 2: as a result of his fixiation by subversion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was important to note that there was no

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Speaker 2: It's just so terrible to think you're on vacation and

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Speaker 1: Go go away exactly. You know, we never talk about

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Speaker 1: But it's it's irrelevant. It's just it's just annoying that

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Speaker 1: But as far as an autopsy goes with him, it's

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Speaker 1: No? No, I mean this is like a hard u

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Speaker 1: that this woman recorded, because I thought it was really

433
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: interesting what the pilot was saying overhead, like giving way

434
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: too much information in my opinion. I mean, he was

435
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: trying to cover his ass, I guess, but he was.

436
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: She had the phone on her lap and you could

437
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: just overhear the pilot talking on the intercom and it

438
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, I'm sorry, I just had to

439
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: divert like that. But there was this this plane coming

440
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: and we didn't know, and they should have known, and

441
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't tell us, And I'm like,

442
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: why are you giving them so much information right now?

443
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: It was kind of weird because.

444
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: Maybe he's like, I don't want this possibly being blamed

445
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: on me.

446
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, f this, I'm putting all our

447
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: dirty laundry out there. That's how it was kind of

448
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: and it's, well, did we not shotting? I don't even

449
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: think we reported on all this scandal going on at

450
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: the Newark Airport right now that there's only like one

451
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: or two air traffic controllers working when they're supposed to

452
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: be over ten people working or something. Yeah, just extremely

453
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: worrisome and they're working overtime and they're tired, and is

454
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: that what happened in this case? I don't know. I

455
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: don't even want to I don't even want to think

456
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: about it. I just I know that sometimes people that

457
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: call in, like a New Jersey radio station stuff are

458
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: now saying that they drive all the way to Philly

459
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: so they don't have to leave out of Newark, which

460
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: is it's just kind of scary. But I don't even

461
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: I don't like talking about it because it's like sometimes

462
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: you have to go on a plane and you don't

463
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: want to be like thinking about this because I think

464
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: all of us are so scared because we're like, oh

465
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: my god, if we're actually on a plane that something happens,

466
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be forever traumatized and how are you

467
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: ever gonna get over that?

468
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, I was actually telling two people that came to

469
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: our meet and greet how I had inconvenient flight times

470
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: because I have to fly air buses because I'm so paranoid.

471
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: And then I ended up switching my flight last Sunday

472
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: to a Boeing because I just like needed to get

473
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 2: home earlier. And even when I was on it, I

474
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: was just like a nervous wreck. And then they were

475
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: making totally.

476
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: Such a crazy person. No, I don't even look at

477
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: what I don't even look at what plane I'm getting on.

478
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like, oh, this time's good and

479
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: that's it.

480
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: So then it was making totally standard dips in elevation

481
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: or whatever in the altitude, and I just got that

482
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: like drop stomach or feeling in my stomach like when

483
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: you go down a roller coaster or something, and I'm like,

484
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: I hate this. I can't possibly imagine. Like, there was

485
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: that story a couple of weeks ago that a plane

486
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: dropped like over twenty thousand feet or something in a

487
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: couple of seconds. Oh my god, I would have a

488
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: There's no way I'd be able to deal with it.

489
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I guess it's all so scary too, because if you

490
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: really do have a bad experience like that flying, obviously

491
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: you're never going to get on an airplane again. And

492
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: that really could change your whole entire life as far

493
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: as traveling, and obviously like for vacations and stuff, but

494
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: also for work. I mean, there's only so far you

495
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: could go in a car. I guess in theory you

496
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: can drive, like to a lot of different places if

497
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: you could go to where there's a waterway and get

498
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: your car on a ferry somehow. And like, I think

499
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: that there's a way that you can drive to South

500
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: America somehow, if you could get your car through the

501
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Panama Canal or something. I'm not sure that because there

502
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I saw this thing once that said that this was

503
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: like a really long road trip you can do to

504
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: get through there. But I think you have to put

505
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: your car on a ferry or something to get over there.

506
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: But it's kind of interesting just how limited you would

507
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: be not being able to get on an airplane ever again,

508
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: because scared.

509
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: No, totally, And I remind myself I don't think I'm

510
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: a nervous flyer per se, but I've been definitely since

511
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: we've been doing this podcast, and I'm sure we're fear

512
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: mongering the whole audience in some capacity, but I don't know.

513
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: I don't really worry about it, because, like, at the

514
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: end of the day, there are thousands of flights every

515
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: single day, and there's a couple incidents a year. Right,

516
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: the ones we hear about are the most horrific ones.

517
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: We're not gonna hear about little problems, obviously, so I

518
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: think that's important to note, and obviously we'll keep eyes

519
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: on this, but I don't think we're gonna have any

520
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: more information for at least a couple more years because

521
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: these take so long to do. All Right, So, this

522
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: guy brought his wife to get an MRI on her knee,

523
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: and typically he went in the room with her to

524
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: help her get up. This time, he was wearing a

525
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: twenty pound chain around his neck and got sucked into

526
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: the machine and died.

527
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what happened in this case, but

528
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking right now, just based upon what we've heard

529
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: the wife say, because I don't think that the actual

530
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: medical facility has put out a statement, but just based

531
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: upon her side of the story, like they're in big trouble.

532
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that anybody that is a radiology tech that

533
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: works in MRI knows the dangers of having anyone enter

534
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: that room because the MRI machine is it's magnetic resonance imaging.

535
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: It uses a giant magnet and even though they turn

536
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: off the machine at the end of the night or whatever, like,

537
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: the magnet's always on and that field is always considered

538
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: to be dangerous, which means you should not ever be

539
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: bringing anything into that room that would be considered magnetic

540
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: or could have any interaction with the machine. So you

541
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: know you've had MRIs on. I've had MRIs on. Lucia's

542
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: had a couple done. Every single time before you go,

543
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: they ask you all of these questions to make sure

544
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: that you have no metal inside of your body, things

545
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: that you might not even think about, like you know,

546
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: we have our lip pierced and sometimes you just don't

547
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: even really think about it because it's there all the

548
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: time and you don't even feel it. Make sure your

549
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: jewelry is off at just everything. If I have bobby

550
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: pins in my hair. You can't have that, this, and that.

551
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: So they really shouldn't be letting someone in the room

552
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: in general to help anyone if they haven't been properly

553
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: screened to make sure they don't have any metal on

554
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: their body as well.

555
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when I got mine done in February,

556
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: I literally detech did ask me a million times if

557
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: I had anything on it. I was like, no, I

558
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 2: took everything off. But I realized like two minutes in

559
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: that I didn't take my necklace off. I mean, this

560
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: is like mid MRI in process. I realized this, and

561
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: I squeezed the little ball and it's like, oh my god,

562
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: my necklace is off.

563
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Because I wear it every day.

564
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: I don't even feel it, you know what I mean.

565
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: And she was like, I mean at this point, it's fine,

566
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: so just leave it on, which I still feel like

567
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: they should have taken.

568
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: Well. The thing is is that if you you're a necklace,

569
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: a very thin, fine necklace for example, well could heat

570
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: up and it could burn your skin. That's the extent

571
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: of what would happen. It's not going to pull you

572
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: into the machine and kill you, right, Yeah, But this

573
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: is just a very unusual circumstance. So this woman was

574
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: getting an MRI on her knee, and she asked that

575
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: this is from her side of the story. Anyway, she

576
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: asked the technician to come to go get her husband

577
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: so he could go in and help her get off

578
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: the machine. And they complied with that and went out

579
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: and got the husband. Now, he just so happened to

580
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: be wearing a twenty pound chain around his neck, which

581
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: everybody when I read that, I was like, what, what

582
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: is that?

583
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: Well, he said he was wearing it for weight training.

584
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: For weight training, so apparently he had a conversation with

585
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: the technician beforehand, because the technician was like, hey, dude,

586
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: what's up with a huge chain around your neck? And

587
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: he said he was using it for weight training. I

588
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: don't know if they sell any product that are specifically

589
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: geared towards that, but I do know oftentimes people put

590
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: weights around their ankles or around their waists or anywhere,

591
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: so they could they could always be kind of losing weight, right.

592
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: It just helps you with the more weight you have

593
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: on your body, it could help burn more calories just

594
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: doing normal things like walking around and stuff. I am

595
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: visualizing it, like I have this bike lock. That's like

596
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: a kryptonite bike lock. That's a huge chain with a

597
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: lock on it. I'm visualizing it to be that twenty

598
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: pounds is a lot of weight. So he had this

599
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: huge thing around his neck, like everyone in the world

600
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: does not ever wear something like that, right, So this

601
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: is just a freak occurrence that this guy's wearing this

602
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: in the first place. But it's kind of alarming to

603
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: me that a radiology tech it wouldn't strike them in

604
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: their mind to be like, oh, I had this conversation

605
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: with this guy earlier because he has this huge thing

606
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: around his neck and you're looking at him bringing him

607
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: in the room, and see this large thing around his

608
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: neck that no one wears ever. It's not like it's

609
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: not like a thin necklace like your little necklace. It's

610
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: it's a huge thing that's glowing obvious metal. I don't

611
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: understand why that's didn't just trigger something in their mind

612
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: to be like, you can't go in there. So the

613
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: guy goes in the room, and I really I actually

614
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: have this amazing video I found to show just how

615
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: magnetic the MRI machine is, sucking in things like a

616
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: folding chair like as a projectile across the room. Gabe

617
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: tells me all the time that the firemen have training

618
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: too that if they go into a hospital and there's

619
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: a fire, they can't go in that room with their

620
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: air packs or they will get sucked into the machine.

621
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: And they know that for their training, you know what

622
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean. So this video is just showing even it's

623
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: really crazy. They put a pair of like surgical scissors

624
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: on a ribbon and just hold it up and it's

625
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: pulling it into the machine. Like you could see the

626
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: magnet how strong it is. So when the guy goes

627
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: in the room with this thing around his neck, he

628
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: gets pulled into the machine and they can't get him

629
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: off of the machine for an hour, the wife says,

630
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: and during that time, just in this high period of stress,

631
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: he had multiple heart attacks and he ended up dying

632
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: a couple days later. Now I don't know, because the

633
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: guy wasn't too old, but he could have had cardiovascular disease,

634
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he had a history of

635
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: cardiovascular disease or Sometimes you could have an emotional response

636
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: to stress and you could have a heart attack that

637
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: way and a rhythmia that way as well, So it

638
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. Whatever happened. Like, I'm just thinking, these

639
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: people are in their sixties, right, Momm's in her sixties too, Like,

640
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: think about momm and pop up in the same exact situation,

641
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: Like everyday regular people that are going to get a

642
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: medical test like this don't know the dangers of that machine,

643
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: and it's the responsibility of the facility to make sure

644
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: that the patients are protected.

645
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: No, because I read too that she kept asking them

646
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: to turn it off, But that doesn't necessarily always shut

647
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: the magnetic field off, right, like it takes Yeah.

648
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: And apparently so we have. So I had talked about

649
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Speaker 1: this in the gross room this week actually, and we

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Speaker 1: have a couple of radiology texts in there that said

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Speaker 1: that if you turn off the magnet on the machine,

652
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Speaker 1: it essentially breaks the machine and it costs thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to do that. So that's why it

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Speaker 1: doesn't get just shut off at night like some people

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Speaker 1: would think. And one of the radiology texts in the

656
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Speaker 1: grossroom was just saying, they don't know why they They

657
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Speaker 1: just think that maybe in the craziness of the actual

658
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Speaker 1: the scenario of not expecting that they didn't shut down

659
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Speaker 1: the magnet after that she says, like she doesn't really

660
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Speaker 1: know what the circumstances are why it took an hour.

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Speaker 1: People might be scared that they're going to lose their

662
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Speaker 1: job if they break that machine. I mean, those machines

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Speaker 1: are hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I feel like if somebody got fired though,

665
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Speaker 2: for shutting it down when a man was in a

666
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Speaker 2: critical condition, and I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, there's going to be a huge investigation into why,

668
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Speaker 1: because obviously being under stressed like that, imagine being stuck

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Speaker 1: to a machine like that. Not only I mean he

670
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Speaker 1: could have been hurt too, just from blunt trauma, like

671
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Speaker 1: imagine your body being forced against a machine like that.

672
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could have it could have just it honestly,

673
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Speaker 1: could have triggered heart attacks too, just by blunt trauma

674
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Speaker 1: across the chest like that. So we don't know the

675
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Speaker 1: exact details, just based upon what the wife is telling us,

676
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's just really sad, and you

677
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Speaker 1: hear this from time to time, and their job is

678
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Speaker 1: really important. And to make sure I mean that doors

679
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Speaker 1: you should never there's It should just be a rule

680
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Speaker 1: that you don't even let people other than the patients

681
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Speaker 1: themselves in the room that. Yeah, I agree, I mean

682
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Speaker 1: really the technician could have helped her get out of

683
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Speaker 1: the machine. Yeah, and if they should be staffed to

684
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Speaker 1: help people with that, So God, it's just a terrible

685
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Speaker 1: story and I feel terrible for her having to hear

686
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Speaker 1: to watch her husband die like that.

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Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by The Gross Room.

688
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Speaker 1: So this week Maria finished the high profile death this

689
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Speaker 1: section on the Lamb funeral home scandal. That is like

690
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Speaker 1: a really outrageous story. I can't even believe that that happened.

691
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Speaker 1: You guys have to just check it out because it is.

692
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Speaker 1: It's really disturbing some of the things, especially that we've

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Speaker 1: been reporting on mother nos death too, about these shady

694
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Speaker 1: funeral homes and what they do to make more money.

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Speaker 1: But this is probably the ultimate one that ever happened.

696
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Speaker 2: I mean, we have mass cremations, organ harvesting, embezzlement that

697
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: like theft from the bodies.

698
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Speaker 1: Possibly murder, possibly. I couldn't even believe just the simple

699
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Speaker 1: fact that you were saying that they were collecting gold

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Speaker 1: from the people's fillings, from their teeth and getting twenty

701
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Speaker 1: to thirty thousand dollars a month just for the gold

702
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Speaker 1: and that was back what year was that in the

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Speaker 1: eighties and the eighties, so like that would be worth

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Speaker 1: even so much more money today. Well, I don't know

705
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Speaker 1: if the price of gold is up as high, but yeah,

706
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Speaker 1: it's it's an outrageous story. So next week for our

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Speaker 1: high profile or celebrity death dissection, I don't know. It's

708
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Speaker 1: kind of up in the air right now. We have

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Speaker 1: a couple stories that were just holding onto that are

710
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Speaker 1: older stories that aren't pressing. We have Brian Coberger's trial,

711
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Speaker 1: what is that called appeal or a tomorrow? The sentence

712
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Speaker 1: is hearing is tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So so even though last week they determined that the

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Speaker 2: gag order is are lifted, they I don't believe they're

715
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Speaker 2: gonna start releasing some stuff until after this hearing tomorrow,

716
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Speaker 2: and then I think we're gonna start getting flooded with information.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we just don't obviously, we're just waiting for

718
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Speaker 1: that to happen because once we get more information about

719
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Speaker 1: the bodies and the autopsies on those cases, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that in depth. So we also have a new

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Speaker 1: feature that we're going to start in the gross room

722
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Speaker 1: this week. On Friday, We're gonna start doing YouTube lives,

723
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Speaker 1: so we'll give you more information on what we're going

724
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Speaker 1: to be doing during those So check that out.

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Speaker 1: All right, what do we got next? Oh? This case

727
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Speaker 1: is freaking weird. This case is so weird. I had

728
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Speaker 1: to read the story three times because I was just like,

729
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: what is happening here?

730
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Speaker 2: It's very hard the way it's written to understand.

731
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Speaker 1: But I hope I've.

732
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Speaker 2: Reordered it a little bit so it makes a little

733
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Speaker 2: bit more sense.

734
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Speaker 1: I never understand this. With news articles.

735
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Speaker 2: They always start with the lead, right, and I understand

736
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: they have to catch people, but then the way they

737
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: backtrack makes it so confusing to understand why.

738
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Speaker 1: I actually, I actually the particular article that we were

739
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Speaker 1: looking at. I had to look up a couple more

740
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Speaker 1: because I was just like, I have no idea what's

741
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Speaker 1: happening right now?

742
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Speaker 2: So this is my understanding. In California, this couple brought

743
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: their two month old baby to the hospital with head injuries.

744
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: The hospital then called police to investigate abuse, and when

745
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Speaker 2: the police got to their house, they found fifteen children,

746
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Speaker 2: all under the age of thirteen. Then they discovered that

747
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: there are six more children in the care of other

748
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Speaker 2: family members, So we have twenty one children in total.

749
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Speaker 2: Seventeen of these children are under three years old, So

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Speaker 2: you must be wondering, like, how how is this even possible.

751
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Apparently this couple owned a surrogacya business, and they were

752
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Speaker 2: telling these surrogate mothers that they only had one child

753
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Speaker 2: and that they were going to be helping a family

754
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Speaker 2: in need who couldn't produce their own children. So they

755
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Speaker 2: were hiring these surrogate mothers and then had all these

756
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Speaker 2: children born via surrogacy and were raising them all together

757
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Speaker 2: in this house.

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Speaker 1: So are they rich people like I Could they have

759
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Speaker 1: to be if they're paying because they're paying these women

760
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Speaker 1: like sixty thousand dollars a pop to do this, or

761
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: were they scamming them out of money.

762
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Speaker 2: It's my understanding at this point in the investigation that

763
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Speaker 2: the surrogates were paid, but they were allied to about

764
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Speaker 2: the circumstances, so now they're being investigated for abuse. They

765
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Speaker 2: reviewed cameras that were in the home and saw that

766
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Speaker 2: they had all these nannies and apparently the nannies were

767
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Speaker 2: abusing the kids too. One of the nannies is being

768
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Speaker 2: looked into for the reason the baby had head injuries,

769
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Speaker 2: the one they brought to the hospital that like opened

770
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Speaker 2: this entire investigation up. So now one of the mothers,

771
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Speaker 2: since all the kids have been brought to Child Protective Services,

772
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Speaker 2: is trying to adopt the child that she carried because

773
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Speaker 2: she didn't understand the circumstances in which the kid was

774
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Speaker 2: going to I don't know, this just seems kind of

775
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Speaker 2: weird because think about this, like, if you go if

776
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Speaker 2: you decide to get a surrogacy, that means that there's

777
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Speaker 2: an embryo somewhere that is getting implanted. Well, they owned

778
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Speaker 2: a sarrogacy business, so like in theory they had the

779
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Speaker 2: embryos in their custody. Because I was having a really

780
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Speaker 2: hard time understanding this too, because I'm like, there's a

781
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Speaker 2: lot of steps in place to do this, So how.

782
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Speaker 1: Are they doing they they own like an IVF clinic.

783
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Speaker 2: They have to in some capacity because how else are

784
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Speaker 2: they getting all these surrogate mothers unless they're working in

785
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Speaker 2: a partnership with a clinic and lying to the mothers

786
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Speaker 2: about whose embryo it is.

787
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Speaker 1: Or what else. I I would think that a sarrogacy

788
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Speaker 1: business is just trying to get women to carry babies

789
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Speaker 1: for people that can't have that can't carry their own baby,

790
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Speaker 1: like the whole science part of it, which you have

791
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Speaker 1: to be physicians and everything like that to do IVF

792
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: and and retrieve the embryos or to retrieve the the

793
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Speaker 1: eggs and get the sperm and make embryos and all

794
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Speaker 1: that stuff like that's being done somewhere else. And that's

795
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Speaker 1: why I'm wondering, like who's okay with that? Because I

796
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Speaker 1: can't imagine that one clinic would be getting do you

797
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Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying, Like, well, when you when you

798
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Speaker 1: get egg retrieval and their store and your MBR and

799
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Speaker 1: you have it made into an embryo and they're stored somewhere,

800
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Speaker 1: doesn't the company want to know like what you're doing

801
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Speaker 1: with those? If you, like, let's say right now, I

802
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Speaker 1: had twenty embryos in that were frozen, like I could

803
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Speaker 1: just do have any random come in and put them

804
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Speaker 1: in and not even ask like what's happening with them?

805
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Speaker 2: There's no way. There's so much legal legal and paper.

806
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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know the legalities actually, because they

807
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: did interview this woman who said this was that surrogacy

808
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: was extremely unregulated business.

809
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Speaker 1: So that's that's just the carrying of the actual of

810
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Speaker 1: the actual embryo. No, I know that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, like the scenarios I envision are either

812
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Speaker 2: they're working with a corrupt clinic or a clinic that

813
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: is turning a blind eye to letting all their embryos

814
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Speaker 2: be implanted in these women, or they have all the

815
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Speaker 2: embryos spread out amongst multiple clinics and that's how they're doing.

816
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Speaker 1: But they didn't mention anything in any of the articles

817
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Speaker 1: about any of this. This is option yeah, because.

818
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Speaker 2: The crime the crime here is the child abuse, right,

819
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Speaker 2: but we can't really glaze over, like what's going on

820
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Speaker 2: with all these children being born? And I guess is

821
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Speaker 2: it it's.

822
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Speaker 1: Like Illario Baldwin. Didn't she get pregnant and then have

823
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Speaker 1: someone carrying a baby for her at the same time? Yeah,

824
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Speaker 1: Like I guess, like two kids that are like a

825
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Speaker 1: month apart or something.

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Speaker 2: I guess the greater question here is is it illegal.

827
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Speaker 2: Let's say you were super rich and had the means

828
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Speaker 2: to care for all these children and pay all the surrogates.

829
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Speaker 2: Is it illegal to have seventeen children at one time?

830
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Speaker 2: Or can they not do anything about it because it's

831
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Speaker 2: your baby, right, that's what I want to know. Or

832
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Speaker 2: is this just like these people never imagined when they's

833
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: when IVF started coming about and sarrogacy and everything. I mean,

834
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Speaker 2: surrogates have been around for centuries. But you know what

835
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: I mean with with in vitro that they didn't predict

836
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Speaker 2: that anybody could have seventeen children at one time basically,

837
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Speaker 2: And so there's no rules regulations.

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Speaker 1: Any person in the right mind would say, why the

839
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Speaker 1: hell would you want to have seventeen children at one time,

840
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Speaker 1: even if you, like, even if you were rich and

841
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Speaker 1: you had all the resources for babysitters and this and that, Like,

842
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: why would that? It doesn't even seem like a rational

843
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: decision for any human to to make.

844
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Well.

845
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: But like we talk about this all the time, there's

846
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: not a lot of rules put into place about certain

847
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: things like that, because where do you draw the line.

848
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Speaker 1: Like we're gonna talk about a person in in coming

849
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Speaker 1: up in another episode this week that has had twelve

850
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Speaker 1: l or trying to work on having twelve children, and

851
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Speaker 1: it's like, obviously like most people would be like you're

852
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: a crazy person, But like, where do you draw the

853
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: line and say okay, Well six is okay, but seven

854
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: isn't or whatever, Like, they don't do that, So you

855
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: just have to hope that people aren't gonna abuse it.

856
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Speaker 1: And since you're saying that surrogacy has been around for

857
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Speaker 1: centuries obviously prior to IVF, Like what did they do

858
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: in those cases? Because maybe there isn't an IVF clinic

859
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: involved at all, and maybe it was just a woman

860
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Speaker 1: getting paid sixty thousand dollars to have sex with a

861
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Speaker 1: guy and have the baby and give the baby to them.

862
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's how it used. I guess that back

863
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Speaker 2: in the day.

864
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Speaker 1: So is is that a possibility that that's what happened

865
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Speaker 1: in this case?

866
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: I guess it's a possibility, But I don't think with

867
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: modern surrogacy that's I don't I don't know.

868
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: Like are those kids genetically their children?

869
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: It appears they are, unless they're stealing embryos or getting

870
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: donated embryos.

871
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: But think about this, but even if you got the

872
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: donated embryo, somebody has to put it inside the person.

873
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: You can't just do that if you don't know what

874
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: you're doing. I'm all right.

875
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Now that the conversation is developing a little more I'm

876
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: thinking about this, I'm gonna say there's no regulations about

877
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: how many, Like I can't fathom somebody having seventeen embryos

878
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: to use, give or take in a three year period, right,

879
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: But it happens to some people.

880
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: Some people get a lot.

881
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: So let's say there's no regulations as far as how many,

882
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: because how are you gonna put a number on that?

883
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: And then I'm thinking of octomom. Didn't they put twelve

884
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: embryos in her at one time?

885
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: They put Yeah, they put a lot in her, but

886
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: that was considered I think the actual implantation. There are

887
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: regulations as far as how many get implanet just because

888
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: well that there are.

889
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: But I don't think there were when she got that.

890
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: I think the regulations are in place now because of

891
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: cases like her, where they put twelve in and then

892
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: she ends up having eight babies at one time, because

893
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: that's not only just like ridiculous, but it's very dangerous

894
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: for the mother to have to go through that. So

895
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: I think I would say now that average is probably

896
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: the most you could put in is too probably for twins.

897
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, But when you're saying if there was, let's say,

898
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: in that woman's situation if there were twelve different women

899
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: willing to each get one embryo put in them, is

900
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: that legal.

901
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say probably yes, because I think it's just

902
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: a blind spot in the in the industry.

903
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably more like ethical versus legal, Like any

904
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: well respected practice would be like I'm not doing that,

905
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: but like.

906
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: There's always the clinic. Yeah, they're not going to give

907
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: a shit.

908
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: I hope not.

909
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: I hope because I know that's probably emotional thing. If

910
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: we have a listener that has gone through this and

911
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: use the sarrogate, please tell us how it went down

912
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: for you, Like, what did your paperwork say, how did

913
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: the process go of finding a person, How did the

914
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: clinic connect with the person? Did your clinic offer the surrogate.

915
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm very curious how that works in that case, and

916
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear from sobby that personally went through it.

917
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

918
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I guess in this case, I mean,

919
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: the crime in itself is the child abuse.

920
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's shaken baby syndrome that this kid has

921
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: that is terrible. Actually, it's it's really a very very

922
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: serious form of child abuse. We wrote a high profile

923
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: death to section about this in the Grosser room years ago.

924
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: It happens to three thousand kids a year, which is

925
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's caused, I mean, it's call by

926
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: a frustrated parent, usually a male in most cases, but

927
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: women do do it too. But like, you're going to

928
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: increase the risk of being frustrated with a baby when

929
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: you have twenty of them around you, right, that are

930
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: all the same age, by the way, which is just

931
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: so bizarre, But twenty five percent of the babies that

932
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: have Shaken baby syndrome will die, and up to eighty

933
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: percent of them that do survive are going to have

934
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: long term problems with their brain, cognitive developmental. They could

935
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: even have like physical disabilities like cerebral palsy and stuff.

936
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the survivors, Like it's it's just a

937
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: terrible form of child abuse. And the fact that that

938
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: person is doing it to one child, it's probably been

939
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: done to other children as well that are in their care.

940
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's why all the kids just got

941
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: taken for now, because they found video from inside the

942
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: house showing abuse happening. And like you're saying, I'm sure

943
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: it happened to other people also, I wanted to bring

944
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: up this quote from the article from this woman Calli Fell.

945
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: She's the executive director of the nonprofit Center of Bioethics

946
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: and Culture. She was saying, it smells of trafficking, child trafficking.

947
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: What are the intentions of having that many children at

948
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 2: home through these assisted reproductive technologies? And that's the same

949
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 2: question we have, Why would you want to have that

950
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: many I understand wanting to have a large family, but

951
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: it is extremely unusual to have this many children back

952
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 2: to back.

953
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: Did they show a picture of the house or anything

954
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: that was rated feelings? I saw something, Yeah, because it's

955
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: just I'm just curious, Like the whole entire thing is

956
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: just so bizarre to me. Of having money like that

957
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: to be able to give people and I don't know,

958
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, of course these these women, I mean, being

959
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: a surrogate, is it. I don't know anybody that's ever

960
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: done it, and I've never done it myself, but I

961
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: imagine it's a very There has to be some kind

962
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: of emotional detachment, and most people decide to do it

963
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: because it's really good money, Like getting sixty thousand dollars

964
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: is a lot for somebody. It could pay off a

965
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: portion of your house, it could pay off your student loans,

966
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: and they want to do it for the nice money,

967
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: but they also want to do it because they want

968
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: to help somebody that can't have a baby. So you

969
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: understand that women want to do it, but there's also

970
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: even though they're getting paid for it, when you carry

971
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: a child, there's still going to be some emotional attachment

972
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: to that child. And knowing that you give birth to

973
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: this child and hand it over to someone and they're

974
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: not treating it well, that would make me want to

975
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: try to get it back too. Well.

976
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: Of course, I think if that ends up working out

977
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: for that person, that they deserve to take that child,

978
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 2: because clearly they didn't.

979
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: They were.

980
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: Deceived in what was going on behind the scenes, and

981
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: they're sitting there thinking like, oh, I'm helping out a

982
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: family that can't naturally have a baby, they only have

983
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: one other child, only to find out no, they really

984
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: have twenty plus children sitting at home that are getting abused.

985
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: So if you could at least give one or some

986
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: of those kids a shot at a better life, somebody

987
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: should definitely be trying to do that. Also, I want

988
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: to say sixty thousand dollars is low for Sarah get

989
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: I think it is aid on average, they make between

990
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: one hundred to two hundred thousand dollars.

991
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, I mean, they're probably taking advantage

992
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: of women that are in a really shitty situation because

993
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: it might be like, listen, I'll take sixty thousand dollars

994
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: if you want to give it to me, right, because

995
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: it will it will drastically help pay something off in

996
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: my life. Right. But when you're talking about doing something

997
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: like that, because being pregnant is not fun. It puts

998
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: your life at risk. It's not a benign condition. You

999
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: can die from it, you could get seriously injured for

1000
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: the rest of your life from it. I would want

1001
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: it to be significant amount of money, to be like, oh,

1002
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: it's actually paying off my house, or it's paying for

1003
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: my kids to go to call like a huge bill,

1004
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: you know. And now it's like sixty thousand dollars isn't

1005
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: as much money as it used to be, which makes

1006
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: me think if they're low ball in these women, it's

1007
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: like they're they're finding desperate women. And that's also not cool, No,

1008
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: not at all.

1009
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's totally deceiving. I'm really curious what investigation's

1010
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: gonna what an investigation is gonna show up about what's

1011
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes, because obviously they were looking

1012
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: into the child abuse. But this is so bizarre and

1013
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: I need to now research all the laws behind this.

1014
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: I just want to say, it's probably like a blind

1015
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: spot in the industry, because I'm sure they would think

1016
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: no normal person in their right mind once seventeen three

1017
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: year old or younger running around their house. All right,

1018
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: So a rare flesh eating bacteria is concerning people in

1019
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: Florida after four people have died in over half a

1020
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: dozen people sick. So do you want to explain this?

1021
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Did you see my I did a post on my

1022
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: Instagram score story of a screenshot from news Week and

1023
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: it said viral flesh eating bacteria kills four in Florida,

1024
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: and then the first two lines of the set and

1025
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: say a bacteria called vibrio. And I'm like, dude, please,

1026
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: I can't stay at the news with their calling shit

1027
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: a virus and a bacteria. They're two totally different things.

1028
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: But I did see that you both. Then it's just

1029
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: so sloppy and it drives me nuts. And when they

1030
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: write an article like that, you're just like it's just

1031
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: a person that doesn't know what they're talking about. But

1032
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: then you're like, well, then just don't write it if

1033
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, It's a

1034
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: bacteria that thrives in salt water conditions, in nice warm water.

1035
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: So it's very common in the Gulf, especially in the South.

1036
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: And what happens is that, especially with the way that

1037
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: the temperature goes in you know that the water ocean

1038
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: water is increasing in temperature and stuff. If there are

1039
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of hurricanes, it could start up that warm

1040
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: water and kind of pull it up more north like

1041
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: towards US. Not all the way towards US though, but

1042
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: you could see these kinds of infections like in the

1043
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: Carolinas and stuff too, just because like warmer water is

1044
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: coming up. So these bacteria, not viruses, bacteria thrive in

1045
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: this salt water environment. So there's two different ways you

1046
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: can get an infection. Number one is you can somehow

1047
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: eat it ingest it. So this could be as simple

1048
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: as water going up your nose in an area where

1049
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: this bacteria is or specifically, this is why they tell

1050
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: you not to eat like raw oysters, which are my

1051
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: absolute favorite, and I always keep this in the back

1052
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: of my mind, but I still eat them because they're

1053
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: just so good, and I really I can't give it up.

1054
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and you just have to hope that. So

1055
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: most people, when they get exposure to this bacteria, they

1056
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: don't get really that sick from it because your immune

1057
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: system works great. But in some cases, people especially that

1058
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: don't have great immune systems. I'm not sure about the

1059
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: four people who died in Florida, but there's a likelihood

1060
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: that they could just be like old and just because

1061
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: old chape a lot of old people are retired there

1062
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: in Florida. But you could also get it if you

1063
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: have so the bacteria, Like if you're just swimming in

1064
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: water that has vibrio, you can't get it through your skin,

1065
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: but if you have a cut on your leg, it

1066
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: could go in that way, and then you can get

1067
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: necrotizing fasciitis, which is also called flesh eating bacteria.

1068
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: So they're saying with this that the common symptoms include diarrhea,

1069
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, and fever. Isn't that the same

1070
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: thing with most problems you could have, Like, how are

1071
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: you supposed to differentiate if you have this flesh eating

1072
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: bacteria versus another GENMA.

1073
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's that's if you ingest it, that

1074
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: would be your symptoms. But if it goes in through

1075
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: one of your wounds, you know it because it looks

1076
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: it's really nasty because it's called neckartizing fat fasciitis. Neckartizing

1077
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: means dead, so the bacteria is killing the tissue. So

1078
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: let's say, for example, you were shaving your legs and

1079
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: had a big cut on your leg and then you

1080
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: go in the ocean and you have an exposure to

1081
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: this bacteria and it gets in there. All of a sudden,

1082
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: it's going to start looking really angry. It's going to

1083
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: be red, swollen, hot to the touch, and then the wound,

1084
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: the initial like shaving wound that you had, will start

1085
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: turning black and it's going to look like, oh, I

1086
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: better go get this checked out. The unfortunate thing is

1087
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: that people die within a day or two of this

1088
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: and of this infection, and it's very deadly. So if

1089
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: you don't go and get it checked out like right away,

1090
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: it could be really really bad. There's only fortunately there's

1091
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: only one hundred and fifty to two hundred cases a year,

1092
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: but if it gets into your bloodstream, either from the

1093
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: infection of you taking it in your body and having

1094
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: this diarrhea or from getting it from the wound. It's

1095
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: fifty percent cases are fatal. So but overall it's really scary.

1096
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: It's scary, but overall it's still pretty rare, right, Oh,

1097
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: it's so rare. One hundred and fifty cases a year

1098
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: is like nothing, no, and like people are exposed to

1099
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: it all the time. Like I said, it's just like

1100
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's an opportunistic infection. It just means that

1101
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: you have to have the certain conditions and your body

1102
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: just has to be able to not fight off this

1103
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: particular bacteria. And I think, I guess it's it's more

1104
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: scary because people in Florida. You hear, like, you're in

1105
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Florida and you want to swim in this ocean because

1106
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, right, it's like clear blue water. And then

1107
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: you hear four different people died from it. And but

1108
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: but like I said, I would just like to know

1109
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: what the situation was around that, because I don't even

1110
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: know if they said it was people from swimming, or

1111
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: if it was from a particular part of the water,

1112
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: or if it was from particular oysters that came from

1113
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: a certain area. All right, let's move on.

1114
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: To our true horror story. Last story, which is on

1115
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: a seven day Royal cruise going from LA to Mexico.

1116
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: Over four thousand people were on board, and one hundred

1117
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: and forty of those people got sick with a GI

1118
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: book and had to quarantine in their cabins.

1119
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: So do the people does everyone on the boat have

1120
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: to quarantine or just the people that are sick?

1121
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: I think just the people that are sick. But wouldn't

1122
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: it be better if everybody did?

1123
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: No? Who would that be? Who would that be better

1124
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: for the people on the cruise. I'm just curious, like

1125
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: if if we just, let's say the cruise that we

1126
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: just went on, let's say like a couple of us,

1127
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: got it, they're going to make us stay in our

1128
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: room the rest of the trip, right, Yeah? Are we

1129
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: getting our money back that they're not letting us leave

1130
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: the room?

1131
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: No? Because it's probably one of those things that you

1132
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: like sign in the ticket.

1133
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, because.

1134
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: This is what that No, that's where we tried to

1135
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: legally try to get people on the poop because there

1136
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: was something in the contract they signed that they weren't

1137
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: responsible if something like that happened, right, But I guess

1138
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: since that happened, they've changed laws. But I'm gonna say

1139
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: this is one of those things like it's not our fault,

1140
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: so your beat basically, even though I do agree you

1141
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: should get at least some of your money back. But

1142
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: I found it interesting because I think a YouTube subscriber

1143
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: or somebody in the gross room had said that they

1144
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: purposely don't sell a medium in the little store on

1145
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: the cruise because they want you to have to go

1146
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: to the medical center to report if you're having diarrhea.

1147
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting, so they could try to contain it.

1148
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: Although sometimes you know, like not to blow up my

1149
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: husband's spot, but he just has chronic poop issues. Like

1150
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily mean he has a virus. You just

1151
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: like always just the poop.

1152
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, I know. But the thing is is that

1153
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: when you have one of these particular I mean, like

1154
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: it's probably neurovirus. They haven't said what it is yet,

1155
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: but that is most commonly what it would be. When

1156
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: you have that, you're like peeing out of your butt

1157
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: for two days straight. It's just a lot different than

1158
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: like your classic like, oh, I ate something bad, got

1159
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: diarrhea thing. So if you just couldn't keep it down

1160
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: for days in a row and you're getting to the

1161
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: point where you're becoming like chronically dehydrated, and it's you

1162
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: need medical attention, that's what they're talking about. And really

1163
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: like emodium is not good, like you should let it

1164
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: flesh out of your system anyway. So but I understand

1165
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: that if you're on a trip, obviously you would want

1166
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: to take that to make it stop.

1167
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: The thought of having neurovirus in that bathroom especially, I

1168
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: mean your bathroom was a little bit of an upgrade

1169
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: from mine because I had like the most basic room,

1170
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: but it's the smallest bathroom ever. It's so tight in there.

1171
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: You could feel the boat moving the most in the bathroom.

1172
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: The thought of having neurovirus and being stuck in there

1173
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: while you're like shitting your brains out, rowing up everywhere

1174
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: in that tiny ass.

1175
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: Room, Oh my god, I would have been able to.

1176
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: I think I could have been fine in my room

1177
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: because I had the balcony, but mo mom had the

1178
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: balcony like the luxe room, and that room I could

1179
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: totally stay in for the rest of the trip and

1180
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: just relax. Especially if they were delivering me food and shit,

1181
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay.

1182
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that was like a sweet But oh god,

1183
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: there's nothing worse than being sick when you're not in

1184
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: your house, let alone being in the middle of the

1185
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: ocean the waves moving. Oh my god, that must just

1186
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: make it so much worse.

1187
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean we locked out because this was

1188
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: the Royal Caribbean. We went on a Royal Caribbean too.

1189
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: I guess we should just say that we're lucky the

1190
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: trip was. We didn't have any problems like that, luckily,

1191
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: But for these people, totally sucks.

1192
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: All right, Let's move on to questions of the Day.

1193
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: Every Friday at the ap Mother Knows Death Instagram account,

1194
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: you guys can head over to our story and ask

1195
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: whatever you want. First, what's your favorite organ based on appearance?

1196
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: This person says theirs is the pituitary because it looks

1197
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: like a little pumpkin.

1198
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: It does. Actually, I'm just kind of boring. My favorite

1199
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: organ on appearance is the heart. I just I just

1200
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: love it so much. You're such a basic and edity

1201
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: I I am. I don't I like the heart anatomically too.

1202
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: It's very interesting for me, But it's it's just funny

1203
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: you ask that because we have like all of us

1204
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: that work in this field are like, what's your favorite

1205
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: organ to look at? What's your favorite? But like I

1206
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: think my my favorite organ system is probably the GI track.

1207
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: But like as far as like what looks go anatomic hert,

1208
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: I just I just like it. I'd wear it on

1209
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: a T shirt, Like, I just like the way it looks.

1210
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: But I can appreciate that you like the little pumpkin.

1211
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: All right, what is the rarest specimen you've ever received?

1212
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: This is a really hard one to say, because I've

1213
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: seen so many different cool things and I've just you

1214
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: know how we always say, like sometimes we'll be at

1215
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: a family party and people say, like, what are you

1216
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: talking about on the podcast? And we're we were like,

1217
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, even though we had like twenty stories

1218
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: still last week. Right, It's like, I so I've been

1219
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: trying to think about like different cool things that we've

1220
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: gotten in surgical pathology. Obviously, like a uterine didelphus or

1221
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: a double uterus is cool, but I have seen a

1222
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: couple of them, so it's not I guess it wouldn't

1223
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: be considered super rare. We did get a quadruplet placenta

1224
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: once and that was cool, and I don't know if

1225
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people get to see that in their career.

1226
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: I've gotten a cutaneous horn, which and it was not

1227
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: like a little tiny one. It was like a unicorn

1228
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: horn that someone was walking around with on their heads,

1229
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool. Andrea had that brain

1230
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: abscess I told you, from toxoplasmosis, so that was cool.

1231
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm just trying. I'm just trying to think like it.

1232
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the like I told you guys, I've seen

1233
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: a horseshoe kidney at autopsy. That was super cool.

1234
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: Do you have like a dream specimen you want to see, Well,

1235
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: I have a dream autopsy which is citis and versus,

1236
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: which is when your organs are like mirror imaged on

1237
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: the other side. So I would really like to see that.

1238
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: And I've never seen that. I think Crisper has.

1239
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah she because she works in the children's hospital,

1240
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: so that would just be like more common to see.

1241
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would definitely like to see that. Like legit,

1242
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: I've seen every I've seen so much of a lot

1243
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: of the different things that I would like to see obviously,

1244
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: any I'm just trying to think if there's anything else

1245
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: that I really just like haven't seen. I mean, obviously

1246
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: I would like to see like neurosyphilis or something, but like,

1247
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: what are the chances of that happening in this decade?

1248
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Syphilis is on the rise apparently,

1249
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: so maybe we will say it.

1250
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: But and the plague, We're like going right back to

1251
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: where we started.

1252
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. Syphilis is my favorite STD.

1253
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: So all right, do you guys dress alike on purpose?

1254
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: Now? Not really?

1255
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to say because today so this

1256
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: question comes up, and today we're like accidentally complimentary pastels. Right,

1257
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: but you would never life wear blue?

1258
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: No, I only wear I only wear certain colors, and

1259
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: blue is not in my colors.

1260
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: She's and not these dumb colors everybody's paying three hundred

1261
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: dollars to get. Let's talk about that scam of the century.

1262
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: People are getting red colors. People are draping napkins on

1263
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: people's shoulders and telling them these colors look good on them.

1264
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: Anybody that has basic color theory can tell you that.

1265
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: And guess what. Most of the people I see that

1266
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: do these colors aren't correct with the skin tones.

1267
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: It's not right.

1268
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: They're not flattering colors to go with that person, don't

1269
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: pay three hundred dollars to get done. If you're doing

1270
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: it scamming three hundred people for three hundred dollars, good.

1271
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: Good for you. No, Listen, I don't agree with Maria

1272
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: on this because I think I don't really I don't

1273
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: really ever say that I'm good at anything in my

1274
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: life because I'm I'm not. But one of my special

1275
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: powers I should say that I have is that I'm

1276
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: very good with color, Like I have a special vision

1277
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: I think that like a lot of people don't have

1278
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to color and seeing color and what

1279
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: goes together and things like that. It's just something I have,

1280
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that other people can't see that. They

1281
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: like I could walk into a room and undress it

1282
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: with my eyes and visualize things that I feel like

1283
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: other people can't do that necessarily. It's just like my

1284
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: specific artistic talent. So when people want to get their

1285
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: color done and stuff, I understand that because people just

1286
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: genuinely like they don't see it that way because they're

1287
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: not artists.

1288
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: Listen, and I agree with you, but I'm saying that

1289
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: people doing the colors also don't know how to do

1290
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: the colors. So then it's like the blind leading the

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Speaker 2: blind on the color.

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Speaker 1: Because isn't it like you, isn't it kind of like

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Speaker 1: a mom job, Like it's like, oh, you could make

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Speaker 1: this extra money and not have to like go to

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Speaker 1: an actual job kind of thing. It's like one of

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Speaker 1: those trending.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, I think I know this start doing.

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Speaker 1: Well. I just I think that I think that it's

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Speaker 1: it's in art, and I think that people would be good.

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Speaker 1: Someone like me couldn't do it because I don't think

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Speaker 1: that I would be good for it with other people.

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Speaker 1: I just think it because people come to our house

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Speaker 1: all the time and they're like, please help me decorate

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Speaker 1: my house in this area. But you're not everything works

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Speaker 1: for me for my particular life.

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Speaker 2: But you're not styling somebody in outfits to their taste

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Speaker 2: or their body side. Like you're straight up looking at

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Speaker 2: like their skin tone and telling them what colors are

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Speaker 2: complimentary with their skin tone, which I think you would

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Speaker 2: be really good at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I maybe I don't know. I just I just think,

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Speaker 1: but I don't down people that want to get it

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Speaker 1: done because they just don't they don't know. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I just think people are getting scammed. I understand wanting

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Speaker 2: to do it, but I think you really got to

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Speaker 2: go to somebody that knows what they're doing. Becau It's

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Speaker 2: like a lot of people doing it have no idea

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Speaker 2: what they're doing. And I see their like example pictures

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Speaker 2: they're posting, and I'm like, what happened? Like who told

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Speaker 2: you this?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Going back to dressing, I don't. We don't. We

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Speaker 1: don't like call each other before an episode and say

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Speaker 1: what are you wearing? Like I know, but what I

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Speaker 1: mean we kind of dress. You have a different style

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Speaker 1: of dressing for sure, but I always wear I have

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Speaker 1: like four colors that I wear, so one of them

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Speaker 1: is black and one of them is white. So it's like.

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Speaker 2: Your whole like I try to match the backdrop here, right,

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Speaker 2: because I don't want it to be visually bad for YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you in per would you wear like Kelly Green?

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: And like I would never wear Kelly Green ever, not

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Speaker 1: on the show or in real life, but you do.

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Speaker 1: And you wear like orange and I would never wear

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Speaker 1: orange like stuff like that, So you dress a little

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Speaker 1: bit more toned down for the YouTube.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, because I want to match, because I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna wear like a bright I mean, I have a

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Speaker 2: shirt that I've worn on here before that has orange

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: in it, but there's other colors that take away from it.

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Speaker 1: But orange is the worst color in the rainbow. That's

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Speaker 1: what you think. Uh, today's green.

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Speaker 2: Today, I'm wearing a light blue shirt. But you would

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Speaker 2: never even wear something like this, even though it's pastel

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: and matches the backdrop. No, God forbid, but no. We

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01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,839
Speaker 2: have similar styles, but you're in your defined color palette,

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Speaker 2: and you also dress very like similarly, Like all your

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: stuff looks the same. When you look at your wardrobe,

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Speaker 2: it looks like it's from one set collection like mine's

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: all over the place.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's another thing let's talk about. Like my

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: color thing, which is which is a good positive artistic

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: trait I have? I don't have it at all when

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01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: it comes to dressing, Like I could dress and like

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: look normal and get by. I don't think I dress terrible,

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Speaker 1: but I don't dress good. I used to work with

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Speaker 1: a doctor. She dressed. She used to mix patterns and

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: print like all this shit, and she just looked so

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Speaker 1: awesome every day. I was like so jealous of the

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Speaker 1: way she dressed, just she just I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: really know how to explain it. And it's like a

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Speaker 1: skill that people have that know how that you could

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Speaker 1: go in a closet and just like know what goes

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Speaker 1: good together and and walk around and dress well, like uh,

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Speaker 1: Carrie in Sex in the City or something like that,

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: just like like where like things that nobody would ever

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01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: think to put together that just work right. I don't

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Speaker 1: have that even a little bit, Like I have no idea,

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Speaker 1: and I am very envious of people that could dress

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: I think, though you look really put together. I just

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Speaker 2: I think when it's crunch time, like you have a

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Speaker 2: live event or something, you know how to dress really well.

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Speaker 2: I just think every day we don't have anywhere to

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: go or anything to do, So why are you just

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01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: not gonna wear a teakir? Maybe it's just because I'm lazy,

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01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: Like like, I guess I could, in theory wake up

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01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: every day and put I have enough clothes to look

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: nice every day.

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Speaker 1: But I just too lazy.

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01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 2: I guess I'm definitely lazy because I open my closet

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01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: all the time and I'm like, I have all these

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01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: nice clothes in here, yet I choose to look like

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: a total slob every day.

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Speaker 1: So well, to my defense, when I'm done recording, I'm

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01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: like going to cook dinner and get dirty and go

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01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: outside and like work in the garden, and I just, yeah,

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just too lazy to get undressed again.

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01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: But to answer the question, we don't dress alike on purpose.

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Speaker 2: We have similar styles, and I do try to match

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Speaker 2: the color of our branding, which happens to be your

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: personal color, Balete. But on a regular basis, if you

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: see us out in public, no, I'm usually wearing an

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: extremely bright colored shirt and she makes fun of every

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 2: outphit I wear. So that's how that goes. All right, guys,

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,520
Speaker 2: we are gonna be at Crime Con in Denver September

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Speaker 2: fifth to September seventh. There's some tickets left for that,

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Speaker 2: so you want to make sure to check that out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My lectures so good too. Yeah, the lexay incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's I'm almost done it, but I think that everybody's

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01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: gonna like it. Again, it's going to be a situation where,

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, maybe twenty percent of the room is leaving

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: because of the graphic nature of some of the things

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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: I'm showing and talking about.

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 2: But and even though you give the warning, people aren't prepared,

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01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 2: and there's always people like trickling.

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01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I think especially a lot of people

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: think that they're they could see these images, and then

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01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: when they see them, they're like, it's just it's very overwhelming.

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: So but a lot of people that have obviously have

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01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: been knowing my thing for a while are totally fine

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01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: with it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're gonna be there. Cheryl's gonna be there.

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01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Nancy Grace, Tom Smith of the gold

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01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: Shields podcast.

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01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: Murphy hang out with Tom. We gotta get Lauren Conlin

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01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: to come somehow.

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: I know we're gonna bully her in that coup.

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01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: We should just like tell her bring her kids and

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: tell mo, mom the babysit them or something. All the

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: kids she'll have, like we'll have a daycare in one

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: of the rooms or something.

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like momm would enjoy that. She genuinely

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: likes children where.

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,560
Speaker 1: She really does. She's like, she's really an adult that

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: loves children and animals.

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01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: Even when we were at their house the other day.

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01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: I was looking around, and you really, when you look

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: around their house, it's like all pictures of her grandchildren,

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: Like she is the stereotypical cute grandmother that has all

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: every craft they've ever made. Her hung up every picture

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01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: of them, which I'm so terrible that we were just

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: talking about this. My next dortighbor was over and she's

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01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 2: one of my friends. You know, we were talking about

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: like the kids were showing all of their paintings, and

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01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: you know, they were saying something like, oh, you have

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: to say that because because you're my mom, And I

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01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: was like, I never tell you that something's good if

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Speaker 2: it's not good. Like if you do a painting and

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01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't like it, I will not hang it up

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01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: in my house. What he means that I won't because

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01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not gonna like they That's how you

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 2: get better as a person, when you're telling your kids,

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: like they're not doing good at something.

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01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: If they're not, I'm not going to just like blow

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: smoke up there. It's just because, like you know, just

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01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: because I'm their mom or whatever. But I have lots

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: of their stuff hanging up because because it's awesome. But

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: just like every single thing they do, I'll be like,

1449
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: you could do better, you could fix that or something

1450
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: like that. So that's what's funny. But my mom doesn't.

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: She just like some of the stuff I saw hanging

1452
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: up at her house. I was just like, God, this

1453
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: is so crappy, like why she had this hanging up still?

1454
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: But because she's just such a grady is it's not

1455
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: like it's not like fake, you know how some people

1456
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: like try to act like on Facebook that they're like

1457
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: this person or whatever. Yes, like she no, hers is

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01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: like genuinely and and the kids know it because whenever

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: she comes around, they like run right to her.

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course she No, she's very much one of

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01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: those girls. I mean she calls me like every day.

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01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: I talk to her every single day, and I have

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01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: like my entire life. She does the same thing with Dedie,

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: and she does the same thing with the kids, and

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01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: like they love her. She's not one of these hands

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01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: off grandparents that's on Facebook like best grandma ever. But

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01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: you've never seen you even seen your grandkids in six pots.

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