WEBVTT - HBO's The Last of Us Ep. 4 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.960 Warning this podcast could teeth spoilers for the Last of 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:24.840 Us episode four. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.440 I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome to x ray Vision. The 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.239 Crooked Media podcast will be dived to your favorite shows, movies, comics, 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:34.400 and pop culture. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.240 In this episode. On previously on, we're gonna be talking 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.920 about the buzz from the DC Slate, an outside. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.720 The Buzz, the buzz and how much buzz Baby, how. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.760 It may have been affecting some comic book sales in 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.800 a potentially positive way. In the airlock, we are going 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.040 to be talking about episode four of The Last of 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.959 Us on HBO Max, which sees a favor of ours 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.120 enter the Fray and in out we have a theory 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.760 about Deadpool entering the MCU, which you know, we're excited 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.520 about because we love theories. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.480 Of course, if you want to jump around, check the 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:12.959 show notes for time stamps. Coming up. Previously on First 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:17.760 Up DC, more DC News reaction to the DC News 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.560 of last week when James Gunn and Peter Saffran unveiled 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:27.119 their much awaited DC Slate and folks, it's a hit. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.040 The buzz is very positive. I mean, like, you know, 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.880 we were very excited by it. Every DC comic fan, 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.600 every comic fan I know, was super super excited about it. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.559 I know a friend of mine who is a TV writer, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.680 was like, I'm trying to talking to my agents, trying 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:45.680 to get that booster gold. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.200 You know what I'm saying, Like I know that they are. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.880 This is not the only stuff that they're trying to adapt, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.160 Like James said, this is the chat stuff. So I'm like, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.760 it's time to be going to d C. I want 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.919 to pitch. Yeah, I gotta love plan for a certain 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.080 Vertigo comic. You know, I think a lot of people do, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.000 so I think it's an exciting time. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:06.360 Yeah. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.600 And one of the big news bumps was kind of this, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.680 like James Gunn did something that a lot of people 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.400 in this industry do not do. James Gunn directly shouted 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.640 out the comics that would be influencing these movies, and 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.400 that tweet went off and everyone was like, more people 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.040 need to do this, Marvel, you need to do that, 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.320 and he specified, you know, as we said, it was 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:35.440 Batman and Robin by Grant Morrison. Frank quietly, we had 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:40.800 a Supergirl where Women of Tomorrow all start Superman. We 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:45.520 were right by the way, we were right, and like, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.840 basically what happened was a lot of people decided they 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.880 wanted to buy these books. Now I know from anecdote 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.720 or evidence this is true. My comic shop Pop Fiction 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.880 in Long Beach, they had a lot of people coming 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.280 in to buy those books. And then James gun under 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.480 a tweet where he basically kind of report it shared 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.640 some reporting about how some of these books were selling 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.040 out on Amazon. Supergirl Women of Tomorrow was one of them. Now, look, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:16.720 the comic book selling industry is very messyficial, and inefficient. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.239 It's always been inefficient. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.000 If you remember we were talking about it when Hawkeye 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.200 was coming out. Hawkeye, the collection by Matt Fraction and 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:26.960 David A. Ha had actually been out of print for 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.720 a long time and they didn't get it back in 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.200 stores when invinters came. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.720 There's only like two printing houses. I love get this wrong, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.400 but there's very few printers that actually do. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.760 This work and a very huge bo very few distributors. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.520 So when they say, oh, you know, Supergirl Woman of 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.119 Tomorrow has sold out on Amazon, that means they don't 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.840 have that many any left in their warehouse that they're 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.600 stopping from but you can go to your comic shop 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.240 and try and buy them. But this is great news 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.920 because it's always good to see comics selling, and this 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.320 is the impact that it can have to actually say 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.480 this is the com we're basing on. If you think 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.080 about Marvel, it is very rare to hear them say that. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.840 Even when something like Captain America, when Soldier was directly 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.800 based on a comic, they were not out there promoting that. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.440 So this is very cool. I love to see comics selling. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.760 I think it's very buzzy and kind of like an 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.040 interesting technique. But if it basically bullies Marvel into shouting 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.440 out comics, creators and comics, I'll be happy. I'm like, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.120 James Gunn, you're doing good work. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.440 I wonder if that will happen more now. You know, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.560 they do kind of obliquely gesture at the arcs and 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.600 the creators both with thanks in the movies and kind 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.839 of like and like they invite Toy to the premiere 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:44.960 and stuff. But this is yeah, this is the most 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.279 overt kind of like hear are the comics. This is 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.599 coming from kind of statement we've seen in this space. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.480 But I will say also that it's really cool that 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.680 we're seeing the comics sell out. I think whether or 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:03.080 not that's accurate the buzz around it, Yeah, it's great. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.080 It's a great look. And secondarily, like James Gunn directly 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.279 shouting out the comics, I also think is on the 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.440 one hand, he should do it, and it's a thing 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.240 to do. From a more cynical point of view, it's 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:21.080 also the way that James necessarily gestures to the you know, 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.400 the DC fan base that's been there, been active and 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.720 hoping for this kind of statement for years, to it 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.480 as a way of saying, hey, we know what we're doing, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.760 we know where this stuff comes from. I've read this stuff, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.159 I know about it. I'm deeply versed in it. You 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:38.920 know how many times have we heard James in that 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.400 statement and other times say like, DC means a lot 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:42.919 to me. I've been reading, you know, I've been in 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.800 that universe since I was a kid, and so this 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.799 is more of that, and you know, it's very interest 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:50.800 Hopefully we'll lift all boats. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.920 I totally agree also, and I mean you can even 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.280 see I think the thing that's going to appeal to Marvel, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.400 Disney all the places about this is like whatever the 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.120 reality of selling out, which such an exciting kind of terminology. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:07.279 Is the Amazon Top Comics bestseller list is reflecting people's 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.800 interest in these books, and everybody loves to make money. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.000 Who's a corporation? I will say, James Gunn, this is 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.720 so cool. I'm so glad you're doing it like everyone 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.680 I would mind. The next step of this is like, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.400 make sure you're just shouting out those artists. The comics 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.479 don't exist without the artist. Bill Quis Everly also made 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.480 Women of Tomorrow, you know, Frank Quietly made All Star Superman, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.360 Batman and Robin Like. That's the one thing is I 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.640 think we're still stuck in that idea of like Tom 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:42.080 King's Women of Tomorrow or Grant Morrison's you know, All 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.080 Star Superman. But we need let's do I'm not expecting 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.520 a full creator credit. You don't have to shout out 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.000 as much as I would love that, but let's just 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.880 let's just get to the point where when we share 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.159 those comics, we're shouting out the artists too, because this 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:55.719 medium doesn't exist without them. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:56.600 But yeah, that's right. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.640 I love to see it. Also, I was very happy 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.240 because after the Swamp Thing announcement, where they were like 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.039 it's going to be a dark horror story directed by 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.479 James Mangold. We can now pretty firmly say he's in 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.680 talks about it. They then shared the Alan Moore Swamp 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.080 Thing first volume and said this is what it's based on, 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.080 which is like a sexy, weird like romance book. So 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.040 I'm all, I'm happy about it. I'm happy about it. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:18.760 It's going to be great. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:37.680 Up next, dear luck Well, we're stepping out of the 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.760 airlock and into a piece of shit Chevy. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.480 Pickup truck that feels like a spaceship. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.080 This feels like a spaceship as we rode trip WestEd 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.080 to episode four of HBO's The Last of Us. This 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.320 episode titled Please Hold to My Hand, written by Craig Mason, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:02.080 directed by Jeremy Webb, and we open with Ellie pointing 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.920 a gun into a mirror at herself and basically doing TAXI, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.920 Are you talking to me? Are you talking to me? 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.000 She's got her gun. She's making little pewpew sound, she 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.080 pops the mag checks the rounds. She is so excited 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:16.720 to have her web. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.960 But let's say congratulations to Ellie. She is a cheat. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.560 She manifested this. She wanted a gun. She asked for 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.800 a gun, she made it, found a gun, she made 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.680 it happen, and guess what she was actually right, She 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.600 does need a gun, and we're gonna find out why 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:31.200 very soon. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:38.480 Ellie got a gun. She's practicing with the gun, making 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:43.960 little pewpew sounds. She pops the Megan checks the rounds, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.360 and then she returns to Joel. They are at a 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.600 rest stop. Joel is siphoning fuel and he's telling Ellie 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.080 both why they need to do this so often, because gas, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.559 as I have been railing about, He exage a discord, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.400 gas breaks down over time, like if you just leave 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.000 it in the tank, it'll break down over time, get 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.680 less effective. And so Joel is having to do this 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.680 a lot. And then he's explaining the physics behind how 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:14.240 siphoning works, and Ellie is roasting him because clearly he 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.240 doesn't actually know how it works. And then things take 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.240 a turn for really the dangerous, the tragic. Ellie pulls 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:26.199 out a book of puns. It's time for jokes. She says, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.880 what did the mermaid? Where did her math class? And 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:35.720 algae bra and Joel is like, fuck this shit. Yes, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:38.400 he's absolutely fed up. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:38.640 With it. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.160 They continue on the road. In this part of what 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.920 is officially the Midwest is just littered with vehicles. Ellie 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.280 is like, oh, I want to see a tank. I 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.520 hope I see a tank, and Joel's like, you will. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.560 There'll be a tank out here because the military was 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.680 all around and very active in those days, and you 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.640 will definitely see a tank, Ellie. He shows Joel a 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.360 bunch of stuff that she scavenged from Bill and Franks 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.240 in that all too short a time that they spent. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.640 Esske it. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:16.960 First one Hank Williams cassette. Okay, she shaved it. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.680 She's like, you're old, you like this and he's like, no, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.840 that's before my time. But actually it's a banger, so 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:22.320 put it on. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.280 Yeah, put it on. And then next up a bear 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:31.680 skin magazine done little porno mag action and this makes 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:36.920 Joel tremendously uncomfortable, which Ellie loves. And then Ellie says, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.880 gosh in a in a by the way, in exchange 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.160 directly ripped from the video game, as much of this 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.280 episode actually was, she says, well, why are the pages 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:48.040 stuck together? 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:49.880 Joels is like h. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.600 And She's like you, I'm fucking with you. And then 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.600 she throws it out the window, which I have to say, 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.199 this is a miss steak laden episode. Our characters make 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.920 a ton of mistakes this episode, and I would argue, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.080 and I'm dead serious, I think this is one of them. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.200 I'm not like that has value to somebody. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:17.720 Dude, I'm saying, in a bing trading world. How much 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.240 gay porn is there left in this world? I don't know, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.080 but not a lot. And this is a physical magazine 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:27.680 also base level, base level you could use it for fuel, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.120 like you could burn it, do you know what I mean? 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.640 Like I feel like you're not survivally. This is they're 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.480 getting a bit comfortable, as we will see multiple times 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:38.160 this episode. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.400 A lighter, two lighters or something, you know what. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.640 I'm saying, Like there's probably will give you like one 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.680 ration card or just even just like some information or 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.800 just like making a friend, you know, like a Joel's 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.400 not really a friend guy, so an alliance. It seems silly. Also, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.800 I will say I was very happy to see Ellie's 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.839 bad jokes making it into the show because that's again 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.200 it's like another key we get. This episode is just 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.960 like straight from the game. But yeah, as soon as 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.319 she threw that out of the window. I was like, hey, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.319 don't do that. Don't know that, Like, what are you thinking. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:19.719 Yeah. They drive on and at dusk Joel pulls off 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.000 the road. They make camp at a clearing in some 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.320 woods and for dinner, twenty year old chef boyardy. That 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:27.800 guy is good. Eliss. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.680 I'm gonna say, just want to say scientific here. Yeah, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.160 I've seen people open twenty year old cans of stuff. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.360 It doesn't go that well, but I like the intention, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.199 and you know what, I like that her and Joel 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.160 agree on this. Chef body is good. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.360 Did they have that in England? Did chef make it 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:45.719 over there? 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.400 They don't have. He never made it there with his 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.200 Michelin Star canned restaurant. He was like, he was like, 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.480 it's too far. But they do have they have like 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.880 very very similar Hines actually makes like very similar situation 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:00.600 in England. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:07.360 Okay, so Joel, they're making camp, They're eating and talking 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.920 about the trip ahead. Joel figures, Okay, if we get 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.400 out of here by first light, we should make Wyoming 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.920 by the day after, which is a good time. Ellie 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.520 asks if they can light a fire. She's cold, says no, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.800 and not because as you might expect because there are 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.400 zombies out here, that's the infected her. I guess this 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.240 is too sparsely populated area for there to be a 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.000 pressing danger of infected, which I would still be like 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:38.640 fuck that, no, But because of people, people might see 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.199 the light, people might see what's going on. I would 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.040 as people are on a discord, we're saying, why wudn't 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.839 you sleep in the bed of the truck, I would 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.079 sleep under the truck. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:46.559 Like I don't care. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.520 I don't care if you tell me that there's no 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:50.520 infected out here. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.320 I'm still like I'm sleeping like under the chat in 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:58.160 the front, under some tops, like I'm high. Joel's very 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:03.160 comfortable guy, He's very He's We will get to Joel 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.760 being way way too comfortable very soon. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.080 They lay down to sleep, and then Ellie has a 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.400 very very serious question for Joel. She says, Joel, she 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.480 turns on her light. First of all, Joel, why did 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.280 the scarecrow get an award? And Joel, after a beat, says, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.960 because he was outstanding in his field? You did did 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:27.160 you read this? And we get the first real smile, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:28.920 crack of a smile. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.000 It's at edge. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.360 You love to see it. I was just laughing about, Okay, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.120 we're not going to build a fire, because what if 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.000 people see would the like, how bad would it be 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.640 to get killed by raiders because they saw you light 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.800 your flashlight to read a book of puns? 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.360 I know, I know, seriously, I get it, like the 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.640 thing I love about and we're obviously like ragging. The 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.560 show is amazing. The episode is amazing. The point is 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.960 like the point of the whole story as we saw 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.200 the last episode, as we kind of get seen, is 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.400 about finding joy and those moments being worth that risk. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.240 But in the moment when you're watching it, you're like, guys, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.880 don't get your head chopped off by a guy with 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.520 a machete to read a joke, like please. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.160 It is very good that they feel less fear they 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.080 live in this world they were you know exactly. Yeah, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.359 she's just you know, as a kid would doesn't necessarily 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.480 feel the danger around her. But it's like, if you 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.520 air drop me into this into twenty twenty three of 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:33.560 you know, plus twenty years of an outbreak of fungal zombies, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.600 I would be a mess all the time. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.200 If I survived, I would be stressed. I would be 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.440 I'd be more of a bill pre pre meeting Frank, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.160 like I would be like locked in my house. But 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.920 you know what, I do love. I think something about 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.480 this episode is after the power of episode three, this 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.760 could maybe feel a bit like a leading episode or 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.440 kind of an intro episode, But actually I do think 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:04.600 there is so much small, nuanced time that we get 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.000 to spend with Joel and Ellie here that you'll really 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.560 get and see that bonding and the kind of part 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:15.680 of the comfortable, the too comfortable situation therein is because 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.680 they're getting comfortable around each other and they're starting to 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.560 feel like there's someone who love. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:22.760 To see it. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.000 Yeah, you love to see it. It's gonna end badly currently, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:27.520 but I love I do love to see it. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.520 The next morning, Ellie sees coffee for the first time. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.840 She is confounded by it. It stinks. Joel is like 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.680 just slurping it up in the car, making fun of 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.080 her for thinking it's gross, to which I was. I 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.200 was saying this in the discord. You know they're just 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.320 ripping ass in that car. Oh yeah, right, Like there's 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.880 no modesty. It's not like you're not hiding it in. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.800 They just ate a can of twenty year old chef 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.160 boy or d and chase it with coffee twenty year 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:06.240 old coffee. Absolutely, there are big time farts being ripped 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:06.680 in that car. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.199 It's happening, and it's and they're just like going with 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.200 it because the truth is that you're probably gonna see 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.640 someone turn into like an evil fungal monster at some point. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.359 So it's like if you just be fought and like, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:18.200 oh wow, yeah. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.040 Ellie's like, so, uh, tell me where you're going again, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.159 and Joel is like, uh so we're gonna uh my 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.080 brother Tommy. The last time I heard from him. Excuse me, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.960 So last time I heard from Tommy he was close 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.159 to Cody Wyoming. And Ellie's like, yeah, let me just 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:43.520 check them out. Yeah, that's way up there. Uh so 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.239 that's very very far out. And then Joel opening up 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.520 now because recall it was not that long ago that 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.520 Joel was like hard ruled, don't ask me about my histories, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:53.320 and I won't ask you. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:53.879 Now. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.119 All of a sudden, Joel is telling Ellie about Tommy. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.760 He says, Tommy is what you call a dreamed of 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.200 becoming a hero. So he joined the army right out 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.199 of high school. A few months later, they shipped him 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.399 off the desert storm. Twelve years later, outbreak happens and 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.399 he convinces me to join a group making their way 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.679 up to Boston, and Joel basically says he did to 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.520 keep an eye on Tommy, keep him out of trouble, 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.479 and that's where he met Tess. Some point after Tommy 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.440 fell in with Marlene and the Fireflies, and Joel says, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.840 of that same mistake he made when he was eighteen. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.240 He wants to save the world, and last Joel heard, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.439 Tommy had quit the Fireflies and now he's I guess, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.040 floating around on his own somewhere out in Wyoming doing 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:45.000 who knows what. Ellie asks Joel a very important question, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.720 which is how does he keep going without any hope 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.840 that the world can be better? Like, how do you 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:57.320 just do that? And Joel says, basically, you don't understand what. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.359 You haven't seen the things I've seen. You haven't been 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.560 out here, been out here. I understand what the world 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.080 is like. You see this hopeless existence that I'm living. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.280 I'm living a realistic existence. You don't understand that. And 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.120 then he tells her you keep going for family. That's 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.040 about it. Ellie is like, oh, like me, and he's like, no, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.840 not like you. I made a promise to test that. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.520 Yeah. He's like you are cargo. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.359 Your cargo flat out. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:26.280 Yeah, which I think you actually make a really good point. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.240 I actually think this is more of like a defense 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.720 mechanism because, like you said, Joel had said, oh, don't 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.399 talk to me about my family, don't talk to me 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.320 about this, and then suddenly he's like opening up. He's 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.920 talking about this person that he also doesn't even really 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.840 talk to tests about, like like Tommy is like off 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.119 limits because of their argument and their beef about the fireflies. 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.600 But then he's just telling this girl. So it's that 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.840 moment when she's like, so, am I family and he's 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.720 got to be like, no, no, your cargo. I don't 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.119 you don't mean anything, because yeah, it's such an iconic 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.920 moment and it's like you're just cargo. It's like, sure, bro, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:58.560 not to mention. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.800 Not to mention the You know, there's going to be 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:06.360 more moments that call to mind Sarah and particularly there 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.280 last night, but like here's Joel in the truck with 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.439 a teenage girl in the Apocalypse. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.879 And Tommy's still in the conversation, so still in the conversation, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.600 you know, like it's happening again. Actually, that's such a 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:23.359 good point because also when Sarah and Joel first escape 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.040 out of the car, all Sarah's doing is asking about Tommy. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:27.920 Where's Tommy? How do we get back to Uncle Tommy? 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.920 We can't leave him behind. So even that conversation coming 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.800 from a different place with Ellie, who just wants to 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.080 have more context, she's also still asking where's Tommy? Like 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:37.959 it's that's such a great point. 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.879 So Ellie nods off, and then he says about Tommy. 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:42.760 You know. Ellie asks, how can you be sure you're 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.800 gonna find him? And Joel says, I think the one 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.040 most important thing about him as a character, I'm persistent Joel. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.320 As we were going to see in this episode very shortly, 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.520 when Joel gets an idea in his head, you can't 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.280 get it out. You're not going to get it out 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:04.800 of his head. He's for better, often for worse, and 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.320 hopefully for better. Ellie nodge off when she wakes up. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.680 The truck is on a highway entrance to Kansas City, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.919 and the way through is, as one would expect, blocked, 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.399 and it looks very suspiciously blocked. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.440 Yeah, it's purposefully blocked. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:20.840 It's purposefully blocked. 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.560 And if you're a game guy here and you're like, oh, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.040 this has been very close to the game. Now we're diverging, 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.720 you can basically just Kansas City is standing in here 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.359 for Pittsburg. We don't know why, the exact choice, but 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.160 this was this is basically the chapter in the game 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.399