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Speaker 1: Warning this podcast could teeth spoilers for the Last of

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Speaker 1: Us episode four. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and

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Speaker 1: I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome to x ray Vision. The

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Speaker 1: Crooked Media podcast will be dived to your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode. On previously on, we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 2: about the buzz from the DC Slate, an outside.

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Speaker 1: The Buzz, the buzz and how much buzz Baby, how.

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Speaker 2: It may have been affecting some comic book sales in

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Speaker 2: a potentially positive way. In the airlock, we are going

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Speaker 2: to be talking about episode four of The Last of

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Speaker 2: Us on HBO Max, which sees a favor of ours

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Speaker 2: enter the Fray and in out we have a theory

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Speaker 2: about Deadpool entering the MCU, which you know, we're excited

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Speaker 2: about because we love theories.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if you want to jump around, check the

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Speaker 1: show notes for time stamps. Coming up. Previously on First

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Speaker 1: Up DC, more DC News reaction to the DC News

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Speaker 1: of last week when James Gunn and Peter Saffran unveiled

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Speaker 1: their much awaited DC Slate and folks, it's a hit.

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Speaker 1: The buzz is very positive. I mean, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were very excited by it. Every DC comic fan,

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Speaker 1: every comic fan I know, was super super excited about it.

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Speaker 1: I know a friend of mine who is a TV writer,

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm trying to talking to my agents, trying

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Speaker 1: to get that booster gold.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like I know that they are.

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Speaker 2: This is not the only stuff that they're trying to adapt,

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Speaker 2: Like James said, this is the chat stuff. So I'm like,

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Speaker 2: it's time to be going to d C. I want

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Speaker 2: Vertigo comic. You know, I think a lot of people do,

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Speaker 2: so I think it's an exciting time.

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Speaker 2: And one of the big news bumps was kind of this,

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Speaker 2: like James Gunn did something that a lot of people

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Speaker 2: in this industry do not do. James Gunn directly shouted

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Speaker 2: out the comics that would be influencing these movies, and

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Speaker 2: that tweet went off and everyone was like, more people

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Speaker 2: need to do this, Marvel, you need to do that,

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Speaker 2: and he specified, you know, as we said, it was

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Speaker 2: a Supergirl where Women of Tomorrow all start Superman. We

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Speaker 2: were right by the way, we were right, and like,

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Speaker 2: basically what happened was a lot of people decided they

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Speaker 2: wanted to buy these books. Now I know from anecdote

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Speaker 2: in Long Beach, they had a lot of people coming

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Speaker 2: a tweet where he basically kind of report it shared

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Speaker 2: some reporting about how some of these books were selling

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Speaker 2: out on Amazon. Supergirl Women of Tomorrow was one of them. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: the comic book selling industry is very messyficial, and inefficient.

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Speaker 1: It's always been inefficient.

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Speaker 2: If you remember we were talking about it when Hawkeye

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Speaker 2: David A. Ha had actually been out of print for

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Speaker 1: There's only like two printing houses. I love get this wrong,

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Speaker 2: So when they say, oh, you know, Supergirl Woman of

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Speaker 2: and try and buy them. But this is great news

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Speaker 2: Even when something like Captain America, when Soldier was directly

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Speaker 2: So this is very cool. I love to see comics selling.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very buzzy and kind of like an

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Speaker 1: I wonder if that will happen more now. You know,

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Speaker 1: But I will say also that it's really cool that

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll lift all boats.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree also, and I mean you can even

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Speaker 2: Is the Amazon Top Comics bestseller list is reflecting people's

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Speaker 2: Who's a corporation? I will say, James Gunn, this is

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Speaker 1: Up next, dear luck Well, we're stepping out of the

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Speaker 1: This feels like a spaceship as we rode trip WestEd

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Speaker 1: to episode four of HBO's The Last of Us. This

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Speaker 1: episode titled Please Hold to My Hand, written by Craig Mason,

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Speaker 1: directed by Jeremy Webb, and we open with Ellie pointing

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Speaker 1: She's got her gun. She's making little pewpew sound, she

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Speaker 2: But let's say congratulations to Ellie. She is a cheat.

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Speaker 2: She manifested this. She wanted a gun. She asked for

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Speaker 1: Ellie got a gun. She's practicing with the gun, making

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Speaker 1: and then she returns to Joel. They are at a

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Speaker 1: rest stop. Joel is siphoning fuel and he's telling Ellie

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Speaker 1: They continue on the road. In this part of what

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Speaker 2: She's like, you're old, you like this and he's like, no,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put it on. And then next up a bear

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Speaker 1: And She's like you, I'm fucking with you. And then

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Speaker 1: this is a miss steak laden episode. Our characters make

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Speaker 1: a ton of mistakes this episode, and I would argue,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like that has value to somebody.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I'm saying, in a bing trading world. How much

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Speaker 2: gay porn is there left in this world? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but not a lot. And this is a physical magazine

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Speaker 2: like you could burn it, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like you're not survivally. This is they're

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Speaker 2: getting a bit comfortable, as we will see multiple times

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Speaker 1: A lighter, two lighters or something, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like there's probably will give you like one

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So they're stopped at this roadblock. Joel

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Speaker 1: He's done ambushes before.

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Speaker 1: guy down the road who appears appears to be injured

434
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: and he's calling for help. Joel immediately sniffs out that

435
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: this is an ambush. He floors it. Next thing you know,

436
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: a cinderblock is crashing through the windshield. Next thing you know,

437
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: the truck is running over a board studded with nails.

438
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the truck is getting shot at

439
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: this one like he does bad.

440
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: He should have reversed as soon.

441
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: As he saw the guy, and next thing you know,

442
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: the truck is crashing into a garage.

443
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: Now, bill's the oldest time.

444
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: I'll point out a couple of things. One, the batting

445
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: average of riding in a truck with Joel is bad

446
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: against number two. I will point out that immediately Joel

447
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: is like, are you hurt or you yes? Because why

448
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: because here it is it's happening again. He's riding in

449
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: a truck running from dangerous and his enemy.

450
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: Is the problem again because because he's his stubbornness. Because

451
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: with Joel and Tommy it's this, it's this same thing.

452
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: When then the opening night with Sarah is like he's

453
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: convinced they have to just keep going through, they have

454
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: to keep going through, and he makes that same mistake

455
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: here again. He could have reversed, They could have gone

456
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: a different way around, they could have gone a different route.

457
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: America is a big country. He knows he fucked up.

458
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 2: And here again is a teenage girl who is in

459
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: his care who suddenly has to deal with It's not

460
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: just the car crash this time it's an ambush. These

461
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: are not infected. It's like we're getting to that play.

462
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: This is that important pivotal episode that we've kind of

463
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: been hinting towards and talking about in all zombie law.

464
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: And yes, the infected are not undead. The the corterceps

465
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: cannot bring the dead back to life. But zombie is

466
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: a catchual. You know, it's the ghouls, it's the it's

467
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: the quarter sceps infected, but you know they are not

468
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 2: the real threat. The real threat is the humans. That's

469
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: always the way all of these stories, whether it's The Road,

470
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, Night of the Living Dead, the

471
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: real threat is humans and the brutality that they will

472
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: enact to protect themselves. Or you know, think about the

473
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: Walking Dead. You've got cannibals, You've got all kinds of

474
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: different spaces and people who will do whatever they need

475
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: to do to survive. And Joel just realizes he's put

476
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: Ellie into that very situation that he's allegedly been trying

477
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: to kind of avoid and protect that from.

478
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: And so here is Joel. It's his mistake and he

479
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: knows it. He may have just consigned a girl in

480
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: his care to death. Again, just as happened, just as

481
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: happened years ago. He's freaking out about it, Are you okay?

482
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: He immediately this gunfight is going on. He immediately sends

483
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: her to safety through like a hole in the wall

484
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: to like hang out on the other side of the wall.

485
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: He takes out two of the attackers with his gun,

486
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: loses sight of a third who sneaks up behind him,

487
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: gets the drop on him, and now it's one of

488
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: those famous smash square button yeah fights where Joel is

489
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: trying to hold off this guy that's on top of him.

490
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: And the guy's like choking him with a gun, choking him.

491
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Ellie is watching this happen and she realizes, oh, I

492
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: have a gun. She gets her gun out of the knapsack,

493
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: walks up, shoots the guy in the back and it's

494
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: now it is this really I thought affecting moment where

495
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the kind of the death at

496
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: the end of Saving Private Ryan, where like, I forget

497
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: the name of the character who's just like as the

498
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: Nazi is about to plunge the knife into his chest,

499
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: is like, oh no, no, no, no, a time out

500
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: time after you know, like, now this this guy who

501
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: is very young, a young man.

502
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you realize he's basically a kid.

503
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, is like, oh no, no, we're not fighting anymore.

504
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: That we didn't need to do this.

505
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: This is a good knife.

506
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: My mom is close by, you could take me to her.

507
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: Begging for his life, pleading for his life in a

508
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: way that honestly felt like this is what I would do.

509
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: I would be It was sucking life.

510
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: And it's so sad because it shows that the way

511
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: the disassociative nature of what people are having to do

512
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: in this world. He was ready to kill Joel and

513
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Ellie like a little kid. He was just ready to

514
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 2: do it. But the moment that he realized that he

515
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: was on the other side of it, he suddenly has

516
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: this human realization of oh my god, I don't want

517
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: to die.

518
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: It was a wise I think it was so affecting

519
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: and I think important to do because this is a

520
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: story based on a game in which, in the course

521
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: of carrying out the story, you, as Joel, will likely

522
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: kill three hundred four hundred at least some large amount

523
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: of people. And so here is a really important moment

524
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: where that taking of a life is brought home. The

525
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: importancye the impact of it, and you know what it's

526
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: brought into this.

527
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: That's such a great point because I think something that's

528
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 2: always dangerous, and I'm someone I love action movies. I

529
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: love John Wick, you know, a gun Fu movie where

530
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: you're constantly seeing people being shot. But something about gaming

531
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: and like first person shooter games and games where you

532
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: are current always killing, you can lose the impact of death.

533
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: And instead here, instead of showing testing Joel killing hundreds

534
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: of people blah blah blah blah, here what you see

535
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: instead is this incredibly intimate reality of what it's like

536
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: to take a life and it is such a responsible,

537
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: heartbreaking interesting and instead of him just like sniping someone

538
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: out of a window, which you do in the game,

539
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, those kind of things like or shooting someone

540
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: from Afar with a gun. There's so much emotion here,

541
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: and then there's this really like scary, sad, kind of horrible,

542
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: dread inducing moment where Joel tells Ellie go back, go back,

543
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: and the guy is begging Ellie like, don't go, because

544
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: he's not gonna do it if you're here, and Ellie

545
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: just turns around and walks away, and the guy starts

546
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: and you realize that Joel's gonna kill him.

547
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: So Joel finishes the man off with his knife and

548
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: and Joel and Ellie come back together. They now have

549
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: to hide, they have to run from the reinforcements that

550
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: they know are coming. And this is incredible acting by

551
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: Bella because here Ellie is she just killed somebody. I

552
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: know she didn't finish him off, but she for all

553
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, just killed the guy and watched him

554
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: beg for his life. And she is trying to play

555
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: it off like she's fine, Hey, so, uh yeah, I

556
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: packed my gun up and let's uh, we should I

557
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: saw a tall building over there, we should probably get

558
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: an advantage point. I'm good, by the way, I'm fine,

559
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: don't worry about me.

560
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: And this is where Joel his paternal instincts start coming out,

561
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: because to him, this is something this is something Sarah

562
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: never had to do. And for some reason in Joel's

563
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: like very blurry moral compass, the idea that a kid

564
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: has to kill someone is really horrific. And he keeps saying,

565
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to do that your age, are you okay?

566
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: And Ellie's like I'm fine, I'm fine, Like let's just

567
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: go like I'm fine, you know, and you start to

568
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: get some of that gameplay where you're hiding through this

569
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: sh streets kind of China. You've got to stealth your

570
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: way through avoiding these you know, they don't name them this,

571
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: but we know from the game that this is some

572
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: kind of representation of the Hunters and people who are

573
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: part of that that Hunter community. I think Neil Drugman

574
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: actually spoke about this in an interview, saying that like

575
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: this is going to be, they're going to serve a

576
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: different purpose in the game. They're direct antagonists without much

577
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: more expansion, But as we see from this episode and

578
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: the arrival of one of our favorite actresses who's about

579
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: to turn up soon, Melanielinski, this is going to be

580
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: a more complex and probably play a far bigger part

581
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: than they did in the game.

582
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Agreed, X Ray Vision will be back, and we're back.

583
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Joel and Ellie head off. They're dodging arm patrols. They're

584
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: looking for a hiding spot, and we go elsewhere in

585
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the city where we find Kathleen played by Melanie Lynsky

586
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: in what used to be a federal facility surely is

587
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: not now a FEDERI jail cell. She is interrogating a

588
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: prisoner who we soon come to find out as a doctor,

589
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: and she's reading a list of names, clearly dissidents who

590
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: are in hiding from her group. And I think the

591
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: thing that we can kind of piece together from this

592
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: in other conversations is Kathleen, whose family was unjustly wronged

593
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: by fed her brother apparently beaten to death in these

594
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: very same interrogation cells. Kathleen sparked led whatever a rebellion

595
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: against fed Yes, which she now is continuing to lead,

596
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: And what is happening now is a mop up operation

597
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: where she is kind of organizing the hunt for feder

598
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: collaborators so that they can we can only assume, be

599
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: put to death, right, Yeah.

600
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: And I think as well as this implication here in

601
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 2: the game, the hunters anyone who crosses that path, they

602
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: call them tourists, and they just kill them. And I

603
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: think there's this implication where even if you maybe want

604
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: connected to FEDRA, if you show up and you came

605
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: from another QZ, you're a Federick collaborator. Like there's no

606
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: question here. This is just an assumption they make and

607
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: they will kill you.

608
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: So Kathleen is saying, it tells this doctor, Hey, you

609
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: know my brother was killed in these cells, like you

610
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: know what about that? And the doctor is saying, you're wrong.

611
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but this has to stop, whatever this rebellion

612
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: that Kathleen has fomented, And she says, I think something

613
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, really honestly is pretty authoritative. If I

614
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: disagree with her methods, but I think this is pretty strong.

615
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: She says, this is this has to stop now, you

616
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: mean when you're in the cell, And she points out

617
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: that now that this person who was protected and felt secure,

618
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: now that he's put in danger and his skin and

619
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: is in the game, all of a sudden, oh no,

620
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: we got to put a stop to this. But previously,

621
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: when the regime that he was supporting was doing the

622
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: very same things that they are now doing, it was

623
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: had very.

624
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Little and we know fed was literally like hanging people

625
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: in the street like they were brutal.

626
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: So the man points out that while I was doing

627
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: that under dress, I had a gun to my head.

628
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: So she pulls out a gun and says, okay, what

629
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: about Now, where are the people I'm looking for? And

630
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: she seems she is particularly interested in finding a man

631
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: named Henry Burrell, who apparently put the finger on Kathleen's

632
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: brother or perhaps the rest of her family to Fedra

633
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: and is now in hiding somewhere in the city. Kathleen knows,

634
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: and she desperately.

635
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like obsessed with him, and she kind of

636
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: has this paranoid feeling that he's kind of planning something.

637
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 2: This is his work whatever. She sees him as this

638
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: almost like overarching puppetmaster of anything that's gone wrong in

639
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: her life.

640
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: The interrogation is interrupt by the arrival of a patrol

641
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: that is bringing back the bodies of the ambushers that

642
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: that Joelt died away with. In Kathleen's mind, as you mentioned, Rosie,

643
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: this is Henry's work. Yeah, if he has a radio,

644
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: he might have called in reinforcements and this is them.

645
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: And then in a rage at this loss of life.

646
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's back in. There's a great line where

647
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: she goes, can you save him? And they're like no,

648
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: and she's like, what if I had a doctor And

649
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: they're like it's useless, too late, and.

650
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: She just she goes back in and executes him. This doctor,

651
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: by the way, who at one point in the interrogation says,

652
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: I delivered you. This is like the intimate bonds and

653
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: are being torn apart here are really notable. And she

654
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: says then to her gathered militia, she said, this is

655
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: Henry's work and he won't stop until we stop him.

656
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Find every collaborator and kill them all. And then Kathleen's

657
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: people head off into the city and they just kind

658
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: of like knock down random doors and drag people off,

659
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: apparently to be killed like with proof. I don't know,

660
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it. Joel and Ellie are watching

661
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: all of this from a hiding spot, and this is

662
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: exactly what Joel meant when he said, people think you

663
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: need to watch everybody.

664
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: This is it.

665
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: We'll watch this. And Ellie, continuing again to pretend like

666
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: she's fine, has noticed a tall building a few blocks over,

667
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: and Joel is like, yeah, I saw it too. This

668
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: is where we're gonna go. We're gonna go there so

669
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: we can get a vantage point and find a path

670
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: out of the city. And this is the moment where

671
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: Joel kind of sensing this shield that Ellie has put

672
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: up around herself, wants to basically take the burden off

673
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: of her shoulders and put it on his because he

674
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: understands that he fucked up. He says, you're just a kid.

675
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: You shouldn't know what it means to you know, it's

676
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: not like you killed them. And Joel continues, you know, saying, basically,

677
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: I know how hard it is the first time you

678
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: kill someone or you hurt them badly. It can be

679
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: it can be bad. And Joel also is doing this

680
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: because you know, he's apologizing. He's saying, this is my fault. Now,

681
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: he says it's his fault because he didn't hear the

682
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: guy sneak up on him. Joel of course has his

683
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: hearing has been damaged from years of shooting at people.

684
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: But it's also hilarious because in the game, Joe has

685
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: like superherring that you can, like you can like hand

686
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: through the wolves like you're in Spider Man or Batman

687
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: or any of those other kind of games. So that's

688
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: like a good a good reconsideration of like grounding him

689
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: in the real world a little bit more.

690
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: A great now, I would point out, And I think

691
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: the character also knows that it's not his fault because

692
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: the guy snuck up on him. It's his fault because

693
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: he decided to drive through and crush the city. Yeah,

694
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: that was gonna obviously be occupied in some form of

695
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: fat like why did you fucking do that? So you know,

696
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: he's apologizing, but in a very dadlike fashion. This is

697
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: this actually like resonates if anybody has ever had a

698
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: parent apologize to them, I don't know about like your

699
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: personal experience, but it's never really They always obliquely do

700
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: it and never truly come clean on the.

701
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Thing that he felt me that way kind of apology.

702
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: So here's Joel not apologizing but also kind of like

703
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: not apologing for the thing that he actually did. And

704
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: then Ellie says something important, which is that it wasn't

705
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: her first time hurting somebody, but she refuses. Now it's

706
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: her turn to close the doors and not expound on

707
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: what that means. Joel then decides, you know what, we

708
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: didn't stay at Bill and Frank's, where I could have

709
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: taught Ellie how to shoot in safety. But you know what, fuck,

710
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it now. He takes he has Ellie

711
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: take her gun out, He shows her how to hold it.

712
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: He uh, and honestly, that's about it. He just shows

713
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: her how to He's just like puts the mag back

714
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: in and he hands it to her. We go back

715
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: to Kathleen where Kathleen's lieutenant who I'm calling thor old

716
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: gray Man from Skyrim. He looks exactly like he really does.

717
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: He looks exactly like the blacksmith of of White Run.

718
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: He has some intel on Henry. Apparently they found the

719
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: recent hiding place of Henry, and he leads Kathleen there.

720
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: It's a attic somewhere in a building somewhere. There's cans

721
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: of food there and notably child's drawings of like Superman

722
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: saving something.

723
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a huge moment because I think

724
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: they do a really interesting job. Kathleen has created for

725
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: the show, and I think they do a really interesting

726
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: job of like she's incredibly brutal and she kills someone

727
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: in a fit of rage, but there's some kind of

728
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: notion here of a revolution of a community that she's protecting.

729
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: It's more so far it's been more more really gray

730
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: than obviously evil. But then when you find out that

731
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: whoever Henry is, and if you know who he is,

732
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: if you've played the game, but if you don't, he's

733
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: helping protect a kid and that's the person that she

734
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: wants to destroy and kill, and it's a very smart

735
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: bit of visual storytelling.

736
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: I agree this resonates too, because you know, oftentimes we

737
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: tell ourselves that we're doing something because of ideals. In

738
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: this case, Kathleen supporting the revolution and you know, bringing

739
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: to justice the collaborators who are trying to bring down

740
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: our more just society after we've overthrown Federa YadA, yah YadA.

741
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: But really it's question of this that they's something personal

742
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: on top of this kind of political you know, scaffolding

743
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: that she's erected. There is something deeply personal about her

744
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: chasing Henry. It is this kid, her child, we don't know,

745
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: but it's clearly personal. They leave there and then Kathleen's

746
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: lieutenant thor Old grey Maine is like, oh, yeah, there's

747
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: something else I have to show you. So they go

748
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: to like a basement or a garage, and there they

749
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: see the concrete floor is cracked and it is it

750
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: is slowly sagging down, and as it SAgs down, it's

751
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: also like bubbling up, like something is pressing again the

752
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: floor beneath there. Is it for those who play the game,

753
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: is this bloaters That's what the hen thing at some

754
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of fungal balloon, like a bubble that will pop

755
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: up fungus. But it feels like we're gonna see bloaters

756
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: or some kind of infected break into the city. Thor

757
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: Old gray Mane is like, should we tell the others?

758
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: When do we tell him? And Kathleen's like not yet,

759
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: badly classic bad leadership. She's like, let's take care of

760
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: this absolutely insane and meaningless paranoia. I have of two

761
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: fucking people. One is like a guy in other words,

762
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: a child, Rather than deal with the obviously pressing issue

763
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: of what appears to be infected.

764
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: And like one of the kind of infected.

765
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, Joel and Ellie make their way to the tall building.

766
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: We get some wonderful co op kind of adaptation from

767
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: the gameplay where Joel is scooting Ellie up into a

768
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: hole in the wall the thing you do a boost,

769
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: a thing you do time and time and time again

770
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: in the games. And they head up now this forty

771
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: plus flights of Stais to the top of this building.

772
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: They'll go essentially as far as Joel's fifty six year

773
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: old bones will allow them to go. On the way up,

774
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: Ellie asks Joel, how do you know we're getting ambushed?

775
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: And Joel makes a very important admission here. He says

776
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: that he's been on quote both sides of this, meaning

777
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: he's ambushed people's He says further that he Tommy and

778
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: tests the group that they were running with when they

779
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: were going up to Boston, quote did what they had

780
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: to do to survive, to which Ellie asks, did you

781
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: ever hurt innocent? You ever kill anybody innocent? And Joel

782
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: doesn't answer, which I think clearly means.

783
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And I asked no question. By the way, Joel,

784
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: literally I thought of you here because I think this

785
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: is setting something up really interesting. So you talked about

786
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: how the Bill and Frank relationship is this kind of

787
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: like it's like a mirror for Joel of like, what

788
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: if you let people in and loved them in the

789
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: way they wanted to be loved and respected their agency.

790
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: I think this establishes another reflection of Joel, which is

791
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: probably going to be Kathleen as we get more into

792
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: the story, And that's the what if you never learned

793
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't do that, or what if you never

794
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: put anything above vengeance or survival? What if you did

795
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: the most brutal version of it? And I think that

796
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: is going to be a very important tipping point for

797
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: Joel to reconsider his any means necessary mindset, which is

798
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: obviously going to lead to like the finale of the show.

799
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: And it's I love post apocalyptic zombie m H stories

800
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: genre stories like this, but there's always been also like

801
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: an aversion I have to them. And the thing is

802
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: that that inherent in this kind of like setup is

803
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: the idea that, hey, you're gonna have to do what

804
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: you have to do. Yeah, And there's something about listen,

805
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: if you're looking for excuses to hurt and kill innocent people,

806
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have an endless supply of them in this story,

807
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: in this kind of world, in this kind of story.

808
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: And here's Joel. Joel, Hey, we had to do what

809
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: we had to do survive. That may have been true

810
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: in the moment, it may not have been true in

811
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: the moment.

812
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: And also you probably didn't have to do it as

813
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: regularly as you did it. That was probably the times

814
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: when you really needed to survive. Then there was the

815
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: times that you wanted a truck, or you wanted something

816
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 2: other people had, or you killed a family who didn't

817
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: have anything, or you know, we know, Joel's the kind

818
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: of person who would leave a family with a kid

819
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: at the side of the road if it meant protecting

820
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: what was his. So we know we can't assume from

821
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: this interaction that he's done some pretty terrible stuff and.

822
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: At least he feels bad. It's very clear that whatever

823
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: those things were, they weigh on him. He's not particularly

824
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: proud of them, or else he would have said, yeah,

825
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: I did. What do you mean? We had to Joel

826
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: and Ellie make camp on one of the higher floors here.

827
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: Joel then does the uh the Ethan Hunt tricks Mission

828
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: Impossible one where he breaks the he breaks some glass

829
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, so that if somebody sneaks up on them,

830
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: they you know, the glass will crunch and they will

831
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: hear something. Why not also barricade the door. Don't worry

832
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: about it. He's like a right Joe slipping. He well,

833
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing, he is fifty six. The stands really did.

834
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: Like I also think we're getting to see something really

835
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: interesting here, which is like, this is Joel without tests,

836
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's really realized that she's not there.

837
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, he knows she's not at that level.

838
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: He he used to have this person who would always

839
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: have his back, who would always be on his six

840
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: like blah blah blah, he's she's there. Test is probably

841
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: setting up some crazy trap. Test is shooting someone if

842
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: you're taking a sleep like. There was a level of

843
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: comfort to the life they had in the quarantine zone,

844
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: and Joel kind of seems to be a little bit

845
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: stuck in that even outside in this totally new city

846
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: and this totally new place. Why didn't you barricade the door?

847
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: Why didn't you You know, there's many things that you

848
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: could ask about what Joel didn't do in this situation,

849
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: But you know what, he's trying his best. I believe that,

850
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: I believe, I.

851
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Know, I think that all of this I pointed out

852
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: not to criticize Joel, but to say, this is like

853
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: really good character. This isn't older. This is a guy

854
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: who's slipping exact's fifty six years old, and it's not

855
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: like a fifty six in a modern first world kind

856
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: of content. This is a guy who's been living by

857
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: his wits, leaving hand to mouth for twenty fucking, very

858
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: very hard years, horrible years.

859
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: Where he's done terrible things and lost everybody that he loves.

860
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: And he just doesn't necessarily have his fastball right now,

861
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: and I think he knows it. As they're falling asleep,

862
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: Joel asks what Ellie meant by not her first time,

863
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: and Ellie again she willing, not willing to expound on that,

864
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: but Ellie asks, I think an important question, which is

865
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: does it somehow, like you get older, you kill more people,

866
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: does it get easier? And Joel says not really, which

867
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: is not good you want.

868
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 2: To hear, especially when you're like fourteen, But it's true.

869
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Right, But it's also a thing I think you want

870
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: to hear from Joel because the last thing you want

871
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: to hear is oh, yeah, I fucking I'm just like

872
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: like in the game.

873
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a great point.

874
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: We're just like running through people.

875
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: But good for Alli.

876
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and good for Joel because at least you

877
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: know that he's hardest, still beating somewhere in there. And

878
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: then Ellie tells Joel that, hey, I noticed you didn't

879
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: You don't hear so well. Joel says it's because of

880
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: the shooting, all the shooting, Like you wanted a gun,

881
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: now you got one. I'll tell you, maybe you want

882
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: to rely on the knife, which if the if the

883
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: show is anything like the game, Ellie definitely will. And

884
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: then Ellie has a really really important thing to ask

885
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: Joel and she says, Joel, she know diarrhea's hereditary. It runs,

886
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: it runs in your jeans, and we get a really

887
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: great laugh from Joel. Now, the two of them laughing.

888
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful woman. It made me smile, and they

889
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: and they.

890
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: It starts where he's like, he laughs, and then he

891
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: kind of tries to stop laughing and he's like, that

892
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: is so fucking dumb, and then the two of them

893
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: just lose it and they're like, you're losing it, You're

894
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: losing it, and they're just giggling there. It's the first

895
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: time we've seen Joel happy ever in the show. Actually

896
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: even pre ever ever, yeah, even pre outbreak, but post outbreak.

897
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: It's like his first smile, it's proper smile. It's his

898
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: first laugh. And this is obviously a huge moment for

899
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: the pair of them.

900
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: They go to sleep and Joel is awoken by Ellie's

901
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: panic voicing Joel, and when he wakes up, he finds

902
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: two people standing a man and a child young boy

903
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: standing over them, guns pointed in their faces, and we

904
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: can only assume that this is Henry and Sam. Yes,

905
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: the people who Kathleen has been looking for Don done.

906
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: Dun Dunn, and the credits confine it. This is Henry

907
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: and Sam. And if you are a game player, this

908
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: is when your heart breaks into just after you slightly

909
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: sewed it back together off the episode three.

910
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: A shorter episode forty five minutes. I think necessarily so,

911
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: considering like kind of heft that they gave us in

912
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: episode three, but also an episode that really I think

913
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: deals with I think it's a again just reiterate, I

914
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: think a really smart and necessary thing, which is deal

915
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: with the violence inherent in the game in a way

916
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: that makes it feel.

917
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 2: Weighty, y, real, Like I think that's really true.

918
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Taking out that ambusher who is just pathetically begging for

919
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: their life in a way that feels like, wouldn't you

920
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: do this? You would do this right if you thought

921
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: it was all going to be over right now.

922
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: It takes away it just hits hard, and it takes

923
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: away that kind of like the aspect that anything like

924
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: this can have, that like lone Wolf, like you're the

925
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: good guy with the gun, like it takes away that

926
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: element and adds so much more nuance and impact. And

927
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: also I think it's really interesting to have that compared

928
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: with the quickness and severity that Kathleen kills the doctor with.

929
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: She walks and she kills him, it's done. Compared to

930
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: that kind of horrific time that we spend, that shows

931
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: us kind of the sacrifice of taking somebody's life. It's

932
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: and also you get that then compare and you balance

933
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: that with Joel and Ellie bonding over these puns, these

934
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: kind of quiet moments, him telling her about Tommy. I

935
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: think it's like a really impactful episode that I reckon

936
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: as well, is probably gonna this will probably be a

937
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: big rewatch episode I reckon, especially when you're talking about

938
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: the revolution and looking at the seeds of that, because

939
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: at first it seems like Kathleen is just rageful for

940
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: no reason, and then you start to put together the

941
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: seeds and you think, like, oh, okay, there's this some

942
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: kind of revolution that she's a part of. Who was

943
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: helping her, who wasn't helping her? These Federra co conspirac

944
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: Also then you want to know why do people want

945
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: to help Fedra? Like what version of life is that?

946
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: Like you said, are they all under duress and then

947
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: to introduce these like huge fan favorite characters in the

948
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 2: last moments of the episode. And then after episode three,

949
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: I feel like we're all kind of asking, like, are

950
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: we going to get a Henry and Sam episode that

951
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: is on a level with Bill and Frank, this kind

952
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: of bottle episode that gives us more time with them,

953
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: or is this going to be a journey we see

954
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: them on with Joel and Ellie. I'm I'm very interested

955
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: to see. But I just just another great episode and

956
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: the writing on this show is just like so fucking good.

957
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: It's really well done. Thoughts on what's under the floor.

958
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be a bloater. I think

959
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: it's got to be a bloat I think, you know,

960
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: we've seen clickers, We've had that really terrifying reveal. I

961
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: think this is very interesting that the show is not

962
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: leaning heavily into the horror right now. Yeah, and it's

963
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: kind of more these moments of teasing and these momentary,

964
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: big reveals like in episode two. But I think I

965
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: think once you get to that episode five, you're over

966
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: halfway through the season. I think that we're going to

967
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: start ramping that up. I think we're going to see

968
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: more infected. I think we're probably going to get a

969
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: couple more brutal deaths, you know, the old like head

970
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: on the broken glass move from the game, the kind

971
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: of the Molotov cocktail situation. I feel like they're building

972
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: in a lot of gameplay in this episode, and I

973
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: feel like they might take that to the next level

974
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: and bring a little bit more violence and horror as

975
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: we get to that final kind of trail to the end.

976
00:51:54,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: Here's my question, do the people in this world? Does

977
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: Joel know about bloaters? Because in the game, bloaters are

978
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: super rare, right, Like, there's very few. There's not like

979
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: it's the rarest of the boss level infected. You don't

980
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: fight them that much. I wonder if this is a

981
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: semi new divice. I think so, if anybody's seen them yet,

982
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know what I mean.

983
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: Like, I think there's a wild West somebody who's in

984
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: Kansas City may have. But I think they're going to

985
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: be new to Joel. I think that's going to be

986
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: he's been in the QZ the clickers him and test

987
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: that was the thing they were most scared of, in

988
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: my opinion, from the performances from the way they'd seen it,

989
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: and I, yeah, I think that, I think that you're

990
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: on the path here. Where are we going to get

991
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: like a what the fuck is that? Like? I don't

992
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: know kind of reaction from Joel.

993
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: The show continues to be fucking great. We're going to

994
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: continue our coverage with it every week and look for

995
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: our coverage of the game also to come back shortly

996
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: up next a very entertaining nerd out.

997
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: In today's nerd out, where you tell us what you

998
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: love and why or share a theory, which we're lucky

999
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: to have another great one this week, Joe is going

1000
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: to pitch us on how the Mark with the Mouth

1001
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 2: Deadpool a real beloved character at this point in both

1002
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: the games and the films thanks to the Fox movies.

1003
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: Joe's got an idea of how he might turn up

1004
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: in the MCU, So Jason, I'll hand it over to you.

1005
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: Sure, Joe writes, after rewatching dead Pool one and two recently.

1006
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: The theory that I have is that at the end

1007
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: of Deadpool two, when Negasonic fixes the Time Slider, the

1008
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: great good old Negasi.

1009
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: Teenage, all time favorite inclusions and all time favorite castings

1010
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: bring her to the MCU.

1011
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Next Love Negasonic teenage Warhead after Negasnic fixes the timeslider.

1012
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: Something in How She Fit is part of what will

1013
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: ultimately allow Deadpool a travel into the MCU continuity between

1014
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: Deadpool two and The X Men Day's Future Past movie,

1015
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: It's made clear in the Fox x Men Universe continuity

1016
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: that time travel is strictly linear and changing event will

1017
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: directly affect everything else. However, when Wade uses the time

1018
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: slider and save so Nessa, the linear effects would have

1019
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: avoided much of the story of Deadpool two. Yet in

1020
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: the MCU it's been made very clear that changing the

1021
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: timeline creates a splinter effect. Since Deadpool seems to be

1022
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: able to jump across these splinters, now, I wonder if

1023
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: that's how he'll sneak into the MCU. I like this.

1024
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: I think that is really smart and also think about it,

1025
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: when did we last see a Wolverine aka Logan? He

1026
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: was dead, So, you know what, having some kind of

1027
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: time travel situation would be very useful to getting Logan

1028
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: back into the MCU with a Deadpool as we know

1029
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: the movie will be. Obviously there's a variant potential, but

1030
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: after hearing Joe's theory, I'm thinking that the time slide.

1031
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: Time travel and the differences between time travel and the

1032
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: Fox universe and the MCU universe could really be a

1033
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: way to get Deadpool in here.

1034
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: I agree, it feels like there's something there not to

1035
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: mention that, Like, I mean, the pre Marvel X Men

1036
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: universe was just filled with time loopholes, oh my god,

1037
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: and opportunities.

1038
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: Speaking of and.

1039
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: Opportunities to pull these characters from almost any time frame

1040
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: that their movies like took place in. Uh. I think

1041
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: that it feels like Joe's on. I think it would

1042
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: not be surprised.

1043
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: Because our newest villain, Kang the Conqueror, who we're obviously gonna,

1044
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, see an a man, and it seems like

1045
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: it will be the Conqueror iteration of Kang, that is

1046
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: a man who is obsessed with time. He can control time,

1047
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: He's a time traveler. Now we know in the MCU

1048
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: it is also going to be this idea of multiverses.

1049
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: But in the newest at Man Quantumania trailer, they have

1050
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: this line where Kang says, you know, every single thing

1051
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: that you see is life. I will burn out of time.

1052
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: So I think this idea of time travel and time

1053
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: being a malleable thing that's going to become ever more

1054
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: important to the MCU. I think Joe's onto something. This

1055
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: could be a we were right for the nerd out.

1056
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: Thank you Joe. If you have theories or passions you

1057
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: want to share, hit us at x ray at cricket

1058
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: dot com instructions or in the show notes. That's it

1059
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: for us. Rosie an he plugs you.

1060
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: Know Itify me Rosie Marx on Instagram and letterboxed and

1061
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:46,759
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1062
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: very happy about this. Shout out to our comrades, our

1063
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1065
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1066
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: just sending all our support to all of our amazing

1067
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Speaker 2: folks at Crookeet who announced that union movement.

1068
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1073
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1074
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Speaker 2: this being very cool and virtual ones where we're irl

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Speaker 2: in the same place at the Crooked Studio. Follow us

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Speaker 2: at XRV pod on Twitter where we're always doing cool stuff, sharing,

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Speaker 2: answering questions, retweeting rad things, talking about tattoos, and check

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Speaker 2: out our discord. Me and Jason are there are super

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Speaker 2: producer Soul's been active in there talking about D and D.

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Speaker 2: You never know who you're gonna find in there. We've

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Speaker 2: a bunch of cool listeners and fans just talking about

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Speaker 2: all the stuff that we love. And we even recently

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Speaker 2: did a really rad Lost of Us giveaway, so we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be trying to do more stuff like that. So basically,

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Speaker 2: join the discord. It's great that giveaway.

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Speaker 1: The winner of that will be announced on Friday's show

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Speaker 1: this week. We'll be announcing that Friday, and we'll be doing,

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Speaker 1: as Rosie mentioned, more taper ways like that in the future.

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Speaker 1: So join the discord. It's fun. Five star reviews, we

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Speaker 1: love them. Here's one from aj from PA love this pod.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Agent, I appreciate it. Jason and Rosie are

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Speaker 1: a great team to discuss all things pop culture. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: They have great insight. You can tell they truly love

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Speaker 1: discussing and breaking down the content they are discussing. I

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Speaker 1: especially enjoy how they relate the series they are covering

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Speaker 1: to the source material. I only wish they would cover

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Speaker 1: more shows because there is so much to enjoy in

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Speaker 1: the various fandoms Right now, Hey, you never know.

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Speaker 2: Two episodes We've trying.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep we may we maybe we'll keep going.

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Speaker 1: You never know. Thank you so much, AJ for the

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Speaker 1: kind words. X Ray Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Sol Rubin.

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Speaker 1: The show is executive produced by myself and Sandy Rhard

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Speaker 1: are editing in sound designs by Vascillis Fatopoulos, Dilon Villanueva

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Speaker 1: and Matt Degroup provide video production support. Alex Rella for

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Speaker 1: handle social media. Thank you, Brian Vasquez for theme music

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Speaker 1: All Friday.

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Speaker 2: Hi