Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: Elliot and now your host Dane Brutler, David Hellman and
Speaker 1: Brian brons Well, we promised you a draft show, and
Speaker 1: we promised it to you from the Senior Bowl here Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 1: So on our end of it, we're going to deliver here.
Speaker 1: And so I'm very excited once again to be with
Speaker 1: my draft buddies, my general managers, my scouts, my guys
Speaker 1: had just follow this thing tooth and nail all the
Speaker 1: way through. David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Welcome again.
Speaker 1: We're putting the draft show together from a hotel room.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've done it before, but I just it's great.
Speaker 1: It's always fun when you can do it like this.
Speaker 1: Kenny props to Kent Garrison as abolutely. Ken Garrison's got
Speaker 1: us on. And then Dame Bugler from CBS Sports dot
Speaker 1: Com and a contributor to Dallascowboys dot Com. Again, I've
Speaker 1: told you we are from the Vermobile, Alabama, here at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Gonna get into a few things. We
Speaker 1: had practice today. The North and the South got to
Speaker 1: a practice a little bit, got a little bit of
Speaker 1: idea with the shells, with the shoulder pads and then
Speaker 1: the shorts and things like that, and so tomorrow will
Speaker 1: be the hitting aspect of it, the physical aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Today we got to see the guys move around. But
Speaker 1: to start today, we got to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of the way ins. And that's always important for scouts
Speaker 1: because they've really gone through. Unless a program has had
Speaker 1: a pro day, a spring, a timing day, you really
Speaker 1: don't have verified measurables. When I have come out the measurables.
Speaker 1: Of course, we're talking about the highthwaight and speed speed.
Speaker 1: You'll get different when we go to the combine or
Speaker 1: from the pro days that will take place here in
Speaker 1: March and April. So I want to get into some
Speaker 1: of these guys, and we were talking about this today
Speaker 1: Dane and Dave. There weren't any huge disparities in heights
Speaker 1: and weights on these guys. Sometimes you get that where
Speaker 1: you get an estimated height and weight and it's like,
Speaker 1: well the guy they say he's he's six four and
Speaker 1: he's really only six one or something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: so you get that disparity. So if you know, we
Speaker 1: had the the South team go first, and you know
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. I want to point out to
Speaker 1: you guys that you know that Dane that we've talked about,
Speaker 1: Dave that we've talked about potentially first second round type guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I really liked what I saw from the
Speaker 1: Sean Hall from Texas A and M. Hall measured in
Speaker 1: today at six h five three, so he's uh six
Speaker 1: five and three eights and he was two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty five pounds. I think we were working on him
Speaker 1: being two hundred and seventy pounds, So that was a
Speaker 1: little bit lighter than what we normally have from him.
Speaker 1: But I like that you started with him because and
Speaker 1: you talk about discrepancies, I mean, colleges love to exaggerate
Speaker 1: the heights and weights of their guys. And when Hall
Speaker 1: came up today, I was like, all right, let's see
Speaker 1: what this guy really is because I had my doubts.
Speaker 1: And you know, like you said, he's a little bit lighter,
Speaker 1: but more for the most part, I mean, he lived
Speaker 1: up to kind of what the billing was supposed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, pressed by what he actually measured out at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did I mean when when these defensive ends started going through.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my, the radar came up for me.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the Dallas cowboy bias, you know
Speaker 1: that I have to you know, we're talking about defensive
Speaker 1: ends and stuff like that. Aaron Rodgers run around enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But you know with with Hall and you know,
Speaker 1: anything surprised you about him Dame physically? How did he looked?
Speaker 1: He did he look like a guy that you know, hey,
Speaker 1: he could be that right end. Does he have a
Speaker 1: right end build? To you? Does he have? Though? Does
Speaker 1: he left end type of a guy? I think he's
Speaker 1: more of a right end. And this is a player
Speaker 1: who's put on a lot of weight since high school
Speaker 1: a basketball player. Uh, when coach Sulan started recruiting him,
Speaker 1: he weighed about two hundred ten pounds, so he's put
Speaker 1: on a good amount of muscle and it's very lean muscle.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that traditional bulk. Uh, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: well it's put throughout his body, which it really works
Speaker 1: for him and in his play style. He had a
Speaker 1: great day of practice as well. Uh, sticking with the
Speaker 1: South team. A few surprises for me Forrest Lamp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy that I've been talking up a lot lately.
Speaker 1: Came in at thirty one in an eighth inch arms,
Speaker 1: which is there's certain thresholds at every position and from
Speaker 1: tackle you want at least thirty three inch arms. Traditionally
Speaker 1: you want more like thirty four thirty five, and so
Speaker 1: for him to come close to thirty one inch arms,
Speaker 1: that was really surprising and only backs up the point
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a better guard than tackle.
Speaker 1: The next level with Forrest lamp I thought, uh, the
Speaker 1: Villanova kid, Tanyo Paseno, Yeah, it looked like a Greek
Speaker 1: god out there defensive. Wish you looked like him? Right?
Speaker 1: Can you say it for us one more time? Tano Passen.
Speaker 1: I take all my pronunciation from Dane. Yeah, Dane is
Speaker 1: the expert of that, but still it used to it.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks though on Twitter that reached out
Speaker 1: to us today as we're watching practice, we're really interesting
Speaker 1: And by the way, the practices were on the NFL network,
Speaker 1: so you had a chance to see that. Tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: encourage you to follow on Dallas Cowboys dot com with
Speaker 1: the stories. I mean, I've got some stuff up ten
Speaker 1: points from practice today that you can take a peek at.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people had this Villanova young man
Speaker 1: and they want to know where does he really fit?
Speaker 1: Is he that left in right in type of a guy?
Speaker 1: You know when I'll tell you what I saw with
Speaker 1: him today. Saw a guy though in the drills, didn't
Speaker 1: look quick off the ball, almost looked like he was
Speaker 1: a little bit hesitant. And then when they went to
Speaker 1: the team period, when they went to actually working some
Speaker 1: of the one on one stuff, a little bit more
Speaker 1: juice in this body, a little bit maybe a guy made.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, I'm I'll be okay here. And
Speaker 1: you're always kind of worried about those kids. You know
Speaker 1: that they come from a place where they're not playing
Speaker 1: and Villanova plays great basketball. We own all that there
Speaker 1: number one rank in the country. But their football program, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's not exactly playing Auburn, Alabama or
Speaker 1: any of those places. But how did you think he'd
Speaker 1: fit in today, Dane? When you were watching him play?
Speaker 1: Was it a struggle for him? Was he was he
Speaker 1: a little bit better than than you thought he might be.
Speaker 1: I think it matched what we saw on the tape
Speaker 1: with him. Third round grade on him myself. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a little too hot. Maybe a little too low on him.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought about it. He seems
Speaker 1: so raw. Yeah in so many in certain areas. But
Speaker 1: when you're that long and what was his length thirty
Speaker 1: five inch arms, eighty four and a half inch wingspan,
Speaker 1: eleven inch hands, I mean, when you have those type
Speaker 1: of measurables, and he should test pretty well, yeah, fairly well,
Speaker 1: but his I just don't see the power at the
Speaker 1: point of attack. Yeah, more of a development guy for me,
Speaker 1: and so so you didn't have him as like that
Speaker 1: as myself. Maybe I'm projecting him as a guy third
Speaker 1: round guy that you'd have to probably take him there
Speaker 1: with more about the measure measure. I see more of
Speaker 1: a borderline top one hundred, So you know, late third,
Speaker 1: early fourth. You know, once you're these pass rushers are
Speaker 1: gonna fly off the boards and second third rounds, and
Speaker 1: so once that happens, once that run happens, then he's
Speaker 1: a guy you think about late third maybe and hey
Speaker 1: after the senior boy, after the combine he might rise
Speaker 1: even higher. Sure, but that that's personally where I saw him.
Speaker 1: And during practice he had a great rep against Forest Lamp,
Speaker 1: crying off the edge, tossed him, got him off exactly,
Speaker 1: really impressed. It kind of made you think Forest Lamp
Speaker 1: needs to play inside because Forest Lamp, when we were
Speaker 1: talking about him, backed up what we've talked about. He
Speaker 1: was better at guard. Now let me ask you this day.
Speaker 1: Can the Cowboys, you know, I'll give you the cowboy
Speaker 1: angle here. Can they afford to take a guy like
Speaker 1: Dane was talking about in the you know, third round,
Speaker 1: late third round when they're picking, can they afford to
Speaker 1: take a guy that's a little bit of a project.
Speaker 1: They just did it, didn't they. I mean Charles Tapper, well,
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper was Oklahoma. No, okay, But I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of what they were asking to do. Well,
Speaker 1: really a two gap kind of a player, though. I
Speaker 1: mean you know that you know that that that that
Speaker 1: that kind of that three four I get what you're saying,
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper play, but the switch in defense is what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Obviously, he played in the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: he played big time college football. And No, to answer
Speaker 1: your question, no, that doesn't bother me, especially if you're
Speaker 1: talking third fourth round. If you got the talent, I
Speaker 1: mean you were high on Ronald Blair Lash absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I thought, it's another guy that
Speaker 1: we loved that went to a smaller school than the
Speaker 1: Appalachian State. Who am I thinking of? Well, there's uh
Speaker 1: the Dane. Dane knows you purred your brain with all
Speaker 1: their guy that went to Montanas Yeah, the rushing from home,
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And he was a guy that that that
Speaker 1: got picked up, got released, Jacks released. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you got the talent to be drafted and we're
Speaker 1: not talking about a first round pick, then yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it. Doesn't bother me at all. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are going to address their pass
Speaker 1: rush in more ways than one going into into this
Speaker 1: not even gonna say the draft, but the spring, we
Speaker 1: had a chance. You had a chance to visit with
Speaker 1: Steven and Jerry Jones. Stay any hints. I know they're
Speaker 1: not going to chip their hand, and right, here's no
Speaker 1: what and no, they're not gonna tip their hand, right,
Speaker 1: but you can read between the lines based on what
Speaker 1: they will and won't say. And I thought it was
Speaker 1: really interesting. Basically every question Steven Jones fielded today about
Speaker 1: improving the team went back to the draft. Right, and again,
Speaker 1: that's not a set Stephen Jones though, but that Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones wants to draft. He's kind of like Dame Bruegler.
Speaker 1: He wants to draft guys. He's not really interested in
Speaker 1: free agency. And and isn't that the strategy that we've
Speaker 1: seen from this team for the most part. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they took a shot at Greg Hardy, p Paul something
Speaker 1: like that. I'll be stunned if his team did something
Speaker 1: like that, if they gave like a really you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna significant contry and to fill the cracks the
Speaker 1: way that they can. And I mean they're gonna draft
Speaker 1: and you know, I think Cowboys fans would love to
Speaker 1: see and the Cowboys themselves would love to see a
Speaker 1: guy that they love at twenty eight who can rush
Speaker 1: the passer. But they're gonna do it the best way
Speaker 1: that they can find it. However, its stacks in the draft.
Speaker 1: And if this kid from Villanova, if they like him
Speaker 1: that whatever, the third round, fourth round, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe have to take him in the second. Dan, if
Speaker 1: you think about will he stretch? You like him potentially
Speaker 1: getting to the third round, but could he stretch? I
Speaker 1: mean we saw two defensive ends go off the board
Speaker 1: really quickly. When Dallas was picking in the top of
Speaker 1: the second round last year. Yeah, yeah, I mean two
Speaker 1: guys and that kind of wiped him out a little bit.
Speaker 1: There they went for they went for the they went
Speaker 1: for the shot on on Jalen Smith. The teams don't
Speaker 1: like to talk on the record about their war room discussions,
Speaker 1: but if I think if Kevin Dodd or Emmanuel Ogba
Speaker 1: had been there, I don't think Jayleen's I don't think
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith would have been a pick either. There. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're both right. But to your point, I think, wait,
Speaker 1: this pass rush class. Yeah, there's me so many different flavors.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'd rather have a Derek Rivers
Speaker 1: from Youngstown State, another guy we could talk about I
Speaker 1: had a good practice. I'd rather have that type of player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh than because to me, Passenger is not a starter
Speaker 1: next year in the NFL. I and maybe as in
Speaker 1: your too, he's pushing for starting reps. But a team
Speaker 1: that rotates their defensive line the way Dallas does. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: well this is a fantastic segmay actually because this morning,
Speaker 1: and I know your opinion because I read I edit
Speaker 1: your work, right, thank you very much for that. Can
Speaker 1: ask Dane about it. I had a scout tell me
Speaker 1: this morning, I needed to watch this guy, and then
Speaker 1: I had you tell me tonight I needed to watch
Speaker 1: this guy. Dwayne Smoot. Yeah, guy who's been on the
Speaker 1: radar for a while. Uh, a little undersized. What did
Speaker 1: he come in at today? I'll tell you what. When
Speaker 1: I was talking to Dane about Smoot and and and
Speaker 1: and uh, he was kind of a little bit Uh
Speaker 1: we were we guys like them more than I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and not that he's a bad player, I just I
Speaker 1: don't think he's I think he's more of a second
Speaker 1: round player than our first round. That's what I got him.
Speaker 1: I think him a second round on my board. Here,
Speaker 1: the measurables for for Dwayne Smoot goes by DJ TO
Speaker 1: So he h it's uh six or two six, which
Speaker 1: means six three. He's almost sixty three. He's two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty five pounds in an eighth on the hands,
Speaker 1: and then you're talking about the reach of thirty two.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and I wrote down in my
Speaker 1: notes just unimpressive body type, unimpressive build. Um, so he
Speaker 1: didn't have a great body, but when the practice was happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was getting off the edge and he was Yeah.
Speaker 1: See there were there were two guys. I wrote about
Speaker 1: this tonight and I was watching from my seat. I
Speaker 1: was having trouble because him and him and and Carol Phillips,
Speaker 1: who's his teammate from Illinois, had the same helmet, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking every time they're rushing and an alni
Speaker 1: yeah and a line I and I'm thinking, who WHOA
Speaker 1: that's him? But but I thought both Phillips and also Smoot,
Speaker 1: I thought that they they gave this uh this North
Speaker 1: offensive line some fits. They did, and Smoot is a
Speaker 1: player who, um you know, I do might meet the
Speaker 1: prospects series for c guys back in September, I talked
Speaker 1: I sat down with Smoot and talked to him and
Speaker 1: really kind of broke down his game and just an
Speaker 1: interesting player grew up outside of Columbus but didn't get
Speaker 1: recruited by a house stay when Illinois. Plays with a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. Yeah, that type of players. So
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy, might not be a fit
Speaker 1: for every scheme what they're looking for, but in the
Speaker 1: second round, absolutely he could be a candidate. But they're talking,
Speaker 1: you know, and he played and if you watch Illinois tape,
Speaker 1: which if you have the opportunity, I encourage you to
Speaker 1: do it. He plays both left and right. They move
Speaker 1: him around, but I think he's more of a right
Speaker 1: in absolutely, Yeah, I think so. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: I want, that's I gets. And I talked about this
Speaker 1: on the last show. I'm tired of hearing about left end. Yeah, right, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, and Dane, I was gonna ask you, Brian,
Speaker 1: to kind of do a thirty second explanation of the
Speaker 1: difference for those you know, wanting to know left end
Speaker 1: right end. Yeah. I think when you when you talk
Speaker 1: about what the Cowboys do, you know your left end.
Speaker 1: Usually as a guy, most teams in National Football League
Speaker 1: are right handed, so you get a team that runs
Speaker 1: the football, they're gonna play right handed football, so they
Speaker 1: run behind even though they're left. Tackle is a blindside
Speaker 1: player usually your best player. But you if to play
Speaker 1: the left end, and this is why with Tyran Crawford,
Speaker 1: you know he better as play in the run then
Speaker 1: play in the past, so you're left ind traditionally a
Speaker 1: longer guy. You want a guy that can can leverage
Speaker 1: hold up at the point of attack, not get washed
Speaker 1: out of there. Get handle blocks from the tight ends.
Speaker 1: Right ends or guys, as we all know, are screaming
Speaker 1: off the edge. They're usually one on one with the offensive.
Speaker 1: The left tackles a little bit lighter build of a guy,
Speaker 1: and that's what we got in this draft. We've got
Speaker 1: some guys that are left end type players. I think
Speaker 1: the Tennessee kid yeah is a left end. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I really really do. To me, you look at the
Speaker 1: weight of a player, talk exactly. You know, the kid
Speaker 1: from Michigan State McDow another left in in my opinion.
Speaker 1: You know these if you're two fifty five guy like
Speaker 1: the Williams Smooth guys that we're talking about, those are
Speaker 1: more right right red Russia. You want a bulk on
Speaker 1: the left side and exactly right right Dayshawn Hall at
Speaker 1: two sixty five, even though he is two sixty five,
Speaker 1: he's a lean to sixty right, but he plays left
Speaker 1: end and he plays left in at Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: A big reason is because skirts on the right side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is tangentially related going back to Smooth, but I
Speaker 1: think it's an important point. We touched on it at lunch.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be. It's gonna come up again
Speaker 1: and again and again in this draft. And it's not
Speaker 1: something we had to worry about last year because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were picking at the top. But when we're talking
Speaker 1: about grades, Cowboys are picking twenty eight. They're picking four
Speaker 1: spots from the end of the round, right, So I
Speaker 1: think it's a whole day. It's gonna be exactly all
Speaker 1: the way through, from first to seventh. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be important to note. You know, when you say
Speaker 1: a guy has a second round grade, you saying top
Speaker 1: of the second round. You're saying, I mean, ye, see,
Speaker 1: the second round pick for the Cowboys is probably a
Speaker 1: third round grade. That's a great point day because traditionally
Speaker 1: in a draft room, in a war room setting, though,
Speaker 1: if you're picking it to back into the draft, you
Speaker 1: almost have to think a round early, right. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're thinking that, uh, say, O, our Villanova guys
Speaker 1: gonna be there in the third round, you might it's
Speaker 1: that that's you might have to hit that one. If
Speaker 1: you have a third round grade, it might mean you
Speaker 1: actually have to take him in the bottom of the
Speaker 1: second so you can make sure so when you're picking
Speaker 1: up high, you could kind of play your board when
Speaker 1: you're picking low at the back end. You got to
Speaker 1: almost think around early, which okay, so I'll take it
Speaker 1: all the way back around Dane. Okay, let's say DJ
Speaker 1: Smoot Dayne Smoot is a second round grade. If he's
Speaker 1: there when the Cowboys picking the second how do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? I mean, does that excite you or
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys will be picking at the end of
Speaker 1: the second. So yeah, for me, I have a solid second.
Speaker 1: The way I do my grades is I give ones
Speaker 1: or one, twos, twos or two three, And so if
Speaker 1: a players at two three, then I'm thinking late third,
Speaker 1: early second. But if he's a solid two like I
Speaker 1: have on Smoot, then you could kind of set it
Speaker 1: your board. You could set board within the round, put
Speaker 1: tags up on top, put tags on the bottom, right,
Speaker 1: so you do have some separation in the board. Just
Speaker 1: what like Dane's talking about, I've had guys before where
Speaker 1: you know, like Jason Witten. I'll give you example. The
Speaker 1: grade was a one one nine. That was the last
Speaker 1: first round grade we had in that draft. So the
Speaker 1: lower the number, the higher the grade, the higher the
Speaker 1: guy is up on your board, so you have to
Speaker 1: be you can you can set it how you know,
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, this guy's a bottom of the first
Speaker 1: type of a player, So you would have a problem
Speaker 1: if they took smooth at twenty eight. You would because
Speaker 1: you think, I think they're better players available. Yes, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's one of the top twenty eight players
Speaker 1: in this draft. Okay, well, let me ask you about this.
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about the way and stuff and
Speaker 1: all that, and the South team. No really surprised with
Speaker 1: the South with any of the measurements to anybody come in.
Speaker 1: That was just a surprise. We talked about a few
Speaker 1: of them who the surprises. Gerald Everett the talent to
Speaker 1: tight end from South Alberta eight and a quarter inch hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really surprising for a big tight end. I mean
Speaker 1: he's what six two in and three quarters two or
Speaker 1: twenty seven pounds. I mean ideally you want nine and
Speaker 1: a half to ten inch hands, and he came in
Speaker 1: close to eight inches. So drops weren't a huge problem
Speaker 1: on his film. He did have some drops, but it's
Speaker 1: something that does matter hand size with pass catchers. So
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a surprise for the
Speaker 1: south and then if we want to jump to the north. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The big surprise in a good way for me was
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, the Michigan corner. Yes, a guy that's listed
Speaker 1: at five to eleven, but you watch him and he's
Speaker 1: he's nowhere near five. He's a short player on film
Speaker 1: talking to scouts who they measured him in the spring
Speaker 1: at five nine about five a's right, and so I'm
Speaker 1: I've been under the assumption all year that this is
Speaker 1: a player five ten, right, And there's a lot of teams.
Speaker 1: If you're under five ten, they won't consider you in
Speaker 1: the top fifty picks. Will Will McClay he's allergic to
Speaker 1: small quarters player. The packers are like that. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were plenty of teams that are like that. And so
Speaker 1: for a player like with like Lewis, who has some
Speaker 1: first round traits, just not the size for him to
Speaker 1: weigh in this morning at five ten even. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a big deal, but that's a win for him.
Speaker 1: And not only five ten even, but one eighty eight
Speaker 1: and thirty one inch arms really impressive. Were a lamp
Speaker 1: the offensive line. We talked about who could be the
Speaker 1: next Zach Martin had thirty one in an eighth in charms.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is just an eighth shy of that. So
Speaker 1: for him to come in at five ten to even
Speaker 1: thirty one inch arms, it's gonna be tough to keep
Speaker 1: this guy on the first round. You know what, you
Speaker 1: could kind of you could work with a guy like
Speaker 1: that if he does have the long arms, if we
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of times on Michigan tape where you
Speaker 1: could see him breaking passes up. Oh, I mean, and
Speaker 1: and his ball skills are outstanding, right, and he plays
Speaker 1: tight coverage. He loves the blanket receivers. It's it's just
Speaker 1: the size that worries you, because there are also times
Speaker 1: where he is just a few inches shy of making
Speaker 1: a play, both in run support and uh in coverage.
Speaker 1: So in the back of your mind you worry about
Speaker 1: drafting a player that's only five ten. But get this
Speaker 1: guy on my team, right, You know, I have in
Speaker 1: my top fifty that I released last week. I think
Speaker 1: I had him at thirty nine. He's better than that,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I thought so too, and this and this,
Speaker 1: and I missed him. I missed him, And then the
Speaker 1: other day he's I mean, and we talked about that
Speaker 1: last week. He's a better pure cover guy. I blew
Speaker 1: him him. I mean it was. It was one of
Speaker 1: those things where you need to go back and why
Speaker 1: watching him move around live, that's what live Watching kids
Speaker 1: play live, that's what it does to you a little bit.
Speaker 1: You're watching taping, you know, like you're saying, he was thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a short guy. That's a short guy out there,
Speaker 1: and then you watch him play and you're like, going, well,
Speaker 1: he's not playing short, He's not. I mean, he's knocking
Speaker 1: the you know, he's knocking, he's movement, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Cup Verse Jordan Lewis was it might be my favorite
Speaker 1: matchup of this entire week when those the Eastern Washington
Speaker 1: wide receiver, the best wide receiver in FCS history in
Speaker 1: terms of production, going up against Jordan Lewis that that's
Speaker 1: been a fun matchup to watch. Yeah, cup Is, he's
Speaker 1: six one and a half one pounds, very savvy guy.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna you know, he's probably a four or
Speaker 1: five athlete. He's better football player than an athlete. But
Speaker 1: he's so savvy. He understands how to get open, manipulate
Speaker 1: the middle of the field from the slot. Uh so
Speaker 1: for lewis a big test to you know, stay glued
Speaker 1: to him and knocked out passes, which he did in
Speaker 1: practice today. I'll give Cup and I wrote about this
Speaker 1: on my ten points. I'll give Cup some credit. They
Speaker 1: did a stalk drill where they had to the the
Speaker 1: corners had to fight the wide receivers to get off
Speaker 1: and try and get in on the play. Cup went after.
Speaker 1: And I think Desmond King is one of the toughest
Speaker 1: secondary guy. I mean, I'm talking corner safety, physical, rough,
Speaker 1: rugged type of guy. And Cup they I mean there
Speaker 1: was a collision and he was able to manipulate King
Speaker 1: out of the play to allow the ball to go
Speaker 1: to the outside. I mean, I think that's pretty impressive
Speaker 1: right there, because I can say I I think I
Speaker 1: have the utmost respect for King and how physical he
Speaker 1: plays well. Speaking of King, yeah, short arms, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a player who and he's not gonna run exceptionally well, no,
Speaker 1: he's not. I grated him better as a safety, I do,
Speaker 1: and I think this is safety. I think you got
Speaker 1: him right. He's oh man, he said it like you
Speaker 1: sounded bummed out because last year when I watched him play,
Speaker 1: I thought you know, when you look at some of
Speaker 1: the matchups and having eight picks, I'll do for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you're sitting there and you're you're kind of thinking, man,
Speaker 1: this might be the best corner in the draft because
Speaker 1: of the physical nature his ability to run with this
Speaker 1: guy when you know, stay with him, play in position
Speaker 1: almost be a little cheap in the way plays. You know,
Speaker 1: he's still that way. He's a dirty guy. He has
Speaker 1: a dirty Yeah, he's a dirty player, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I respect him for it. Yeah, you would, because he
Speaker 1: you know, but we were watching tape of him last
Speaker 1: year and I'm trying to remember the match. Uh was
Speaker 1: it pit that a match? It was the BOYD and
Speaker 1: him and BOYD went at it pretty well, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty But yeah, I think this kid's
Speaker 1: gonna have to play safety. I really really do. And
Speaker 1: you know what, and I don't. I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with that, No, I don't, because of how physically
Speaker 1: he really really is, right, and I think we could
Speaker 1: set a lot about you know, the corner doesn't have
Speaker 1: ideal measurable size all that that. Oh, we'll just moveing
Speaker 1: to safety. A lot of times that doesn't work. But
Speaker 1: with King, I think it because he does have that physicality,
Speaker 1: the toughness that you want where he can show up
Speaker 1: and run support. So I think that transition He's never
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a corner. He's always been a corner, right,
Speaker 1: and so I think that transition could happen and does
Speaker 1: make sense. There's a lot of corners in this draft though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of There are a lot of good corners.
Speaker 1: So if you're the Cowboys, if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, or you're a fan of a of an
Speaker 1: NFL team out there that, uh, you know needs cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity for you to grab a corner.
Speaker 1: I think that this draft will be loaded with some guys.
Speaker 1: I want to get into another the offensive I coming
Speaker 1: into this and we we had the draft show last week.
Speaker 1: We talked about the offensive tackles in this uh this draft, Dallas, Dave,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about they could potentially at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: would you would that be the best player on the board, lingering, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that, Okay? Is it? Is it one of those
Speaker 1: positions where you go in thinking they need defensive ends,
Speaker 1: they need corners, but offensive tackle tight ends another person.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into a tight end. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into a tight end here. But these offensive
Speaker 1: tackles though, going back to I mean, Jerry and Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones both spoke to reporters today and again it's not
Speaker 1: groundbreaking information, but they both kind of said, you run
Speaker 1: into trouble when you just determine that you need a
Speaker 1: defensive end and that's what you're gonna do. You gotta
Speaker 1: have pass rush, gotta have pass rush, and you you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's just gotta have pass rush, though, well
Speaker 1: he does have to have pass I mean, there's and
Speaker 1: I thought Jerry might have had the line of the
Speaker 1: day because he was like, there's maybe two teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL that don't feel like they need help at
Speaker 1: pass rush. Right Anyway, I think the direct quote from
Speaker 1: Steven was, you know, you get in you wind up
Speaker 1: in trouble when you take the best defensive end that's
Speaker 1: on the board rather than the best player that's on
Speaker 1: the board. So again, I mean, it's not news, but
Speaker 1: this is the way the Cowboys have operated. This is
Speaker 1: the way they've operated since I've been here, and I've
Speaker 1: been here for four or five years now, so I
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that they're gonna abide by
Speaker 1: that strategy. It's worked well for him. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though. To me, I mean I I was
Speaker 1: impressed with just the measurables of that of Zach Banner.
Speaker 1: I mean, my man is like six eight hundred sixty
Speaker 1: one pounds. He's not gonna sneak up on anyone because
Speaker 1: you feel him, you know, you feel the ground shake
Speaker 1: when Yeah, I mean he's coming. King Kennedy's kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, of immediately, you could see it in
Speaker 1: the face. You could see in the face. I mean
Speaker 1: I looked up when that kid's picture went up on
Speaker 1: the board. I said, my gosh, he looks like his dad.
Speaker 1: And I also tweeted out though I feel really old
Speaker 1: because I was into my very first combine ever nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. His dad was in that combine, and I
Speaker 1: watched his dad get measured height and weight stand up there,
Speaker 1: and then I watched his son get measured today. So
Speaker 1: that just shows you how old brand up, Brian, I
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Speaker 1: know a year ago I would have just taken it
Speaker 1: at face value that this guy's name is Dakota. But
Speaker 1: we can't have no idea now, but Dakota. He wants
Speaker 1: to know about a guy that actually popped out to
Speaker 1: me at the way end this morning. Guy by the
Speaker 1: name of Obie Mela fawn wu h Safety out of Yukon.
Speaker 1: Big dude. See, he looked good standing up there talking
Speaker 1: about looking good on the hoof. I was. I was
Speaker 1: kind of like going, that's what I thought. I was
Speaker 1: sitting there going, Man, if I was somebody, that's what
Speaker 1: I'd want to look like. I mean he did. He
Speaker 1: looked like he was. It was somebody like, yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: he's I was surprised he came in that big. I
Speaker 1: mean he looks big on tape, but not six to four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a square tall guy. He's that hard to be.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be. But his shoulders. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that strong safety time. Yeah, he come up and
Speaker 1: hit you. Uh, he could move a little bit too,
Speaker 1: so uh, a guy that eager to see this week
Speaker 1: see how he does. But we're strong in a free
Speaker 1: but the pad's coming on. We get some of the
Speaker 1: nine on seven stuff and all that. That's what you
Speaker 1: to see him probably shine more than maybe the one
Speaker 1: on one stuff. If you're watching on the NFL network,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta you know, like he looked bad
Speaker 1: that time. Well, where he might shine is more the
Speaker 1: down the box stuff where he could be a little
Speaker 1: bit more physical. Right, He'll he'll struggle in coverage a
Speaker 1: little bit. That's what his tape says. So it'll be
Speaker 1: the same this week, but he'll has been good moments
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, boy guys a good looking kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we talked about we talked about Lewis from Michigan earlier. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've I think we can also we've safe to say
Speaker 1: we've covered Desmond King and Trey White for the most part.
Speaker 1: Trey White's the best corner here. I think. Yes, I
Speaker 1: am I and I and I and I hate to
Speaker 1: do that because I was telling Dane earlier when I
Speaker 1: when we when we talk about Lsu kids, you know,
Speaker 1: you feel like you're you're you're selling a kid. And
Speaker 1: I love Mo Clayborne. I do. This kid's a really
Speaker 1: good football player. He's gonna be a first round football player.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, any anytime I'm selling a guy, he thinks,
Speaker 1: so too. For whatever. That's well, no, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. If you can think that, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well okay, Well I'm sorry. I was gonna say, which
Speaker 1: is quick on White? I was watching and drills and well, no,
Speaker 1: I think he's late first, early second in that range. Right.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a dB coach for a team
Speaker 1: in the AFC, and I asked him. I was like, so,
Speaker 1: who do you think of these corners? Who do you
Speaker 1: like the best? And he said, honestly, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a look of these guys. This is my first time
Speaker 1: seeing any of them. If I tell you Lsu White
Speaker 1: right there, it's a good first impression. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: he was Dwayne Walker, the Browns defensive backs coach. He
Speaker 1: was using White to a show the other corners, how
Speaker 1: did you example? He was an example. He knew that
Speaker 1: he only had to explain at once and White was
Speaker 1: gonna know exactly what to do and do it correctly. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, he just he's that four year guy, four
Speaker 1: year starter. I think him returning for a senior year
Speaker 1: was one of the best decisions he could have made
Speaker 1: instead of coming out last year like he almost did. So.
Speaker 1: Uh something for those juniors to think about coming back
Speaker 1: for your senior year and how much of an impact
Speaker 1: it come day plays outside and in the slot as well.
Speaker 1: He does it all. He returns punts too. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: very well. But as in the NFL, not very well.
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, we kind of got sidetracked. Sorry, but Grant
Speaker 1: already Aside from the obvious guys, Grant wanted to know about,
Speaker 1: you know, some maybe two to four round corners, mid
Speaker 1: tier corners that that people can look for at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Let's see who we have here. We talked
Speaker 1: about Lewis m CAZy from San Diego State's an interesting guy.
Speaker 1: He was very interesting guy. Guy loves to get his
Speaker 1: hands on the football. Yeah, he'll take a little too many,
Speaker 1: too many chances at times, but uh he had to
Speaker 1: love the aggressive this. He'll tell you what. Chad Williams
Speaker 1: took him to the Cleaners statewider. Yeah, and that's another guy,
Speaker 1: Chad Williams Oe And I know we'll get into him
Speaker 1: a little bit later, but I'll tell you what though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these corners, I mean it was, uh, you get chance
Speaker 1: see corn Elder at all to Miami. I was trying
Speaker 1: to pay attention to him, and I always found myself
Speaker 1: going somewhere else. He's he's a really he had a
Speaker 1: few really good games. He's year at the Florida State
Speaker 1: tape shouts out. The North Carolina State or the North
Speaker 1: Carolina tape stands out. And I thought he did a
Speaker 1: nice job today. Eager to see more and one on
Speaker 1: one matchups going against receivers. But he's not the biggest guy,
Speaker 1: but he's very tough. I think he fits that, you know,
Speaker 1: the slot, which you want a nickel corner guy who
Speaker 1: can line up over the slot and stay attached to
Speaker 1: that receiver. I think he's a guy that's gonna make
Speaker 1: a lot of money in the NFL and not be
Speaker 1: a first round pick, but be in that second the
Speaker 1: fourth round. And we brought up King. We kind of
Speaker 1: think maybe King might be a that type of a
Speaker 1: player as well. Uh not not at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: but we're hoping he would be at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: What is y'all's level of concern about Tack McKinley's labor
Speaker 1: m injury? So what the combines for? You know, we'll
Speaker 1: find out more with the combine with you know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't that surgery yet. They're still trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: You know, he's seeing getting different opinions about the shoulder,
Speaker 1: if whether or not he'll have surgery, and you know,
Speaker 1: go from there. But the combine will tell us exactly
Speaker 1: what's going on with the rehab, with when he'll be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, any long term worries and hopefully there's
Speaker 1: nothing long term. Hopefully he can work out, you know,
Speaker 1: before the draft. And do you like Lawson better than him?
Speaker 1: They're close, yes, so that I'm the same way I've
Speaker 1: got McKinley. I got McKinley above above Lawson. But it's
Speaker 1: that whole big thing about Carl Awston right now. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, people want me say that Lawson Auburn.
Speaker 1: Somebody was asking me when y'all get into your draft nerds,
Speaker 1: it's like Lawson, Yeah, we got to make sure we
Speaker 1: say the school but yeah, I think that to me,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna have to get the surgery, get it now,
Speaker 1: let's not get it. You know last year what happened
Speaker 1: with some of those kids. Buffalo took the two games,
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, it's they have to have surgery.
Speaker 1: They can't. Yeah, I mean you lose a whole year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you lose a whole year on that. And get the
Speaker 1: surgery now if you have to, and then you know,
Speaker 1: try and play it up until you get to this
Speaker 1: to the training camp. Something you have to consider with
Speaker 1: McKinley because he's not the biggest guy, doesn't have the
Speaker 1: best body armor, right, uh, And so you know, can
Speaker 1: he take consistent punishment going up against you know, offensive
Speaker 1: tackles all game from sixteen game schedule. He played a
Speaker 1: lot of the season with as a hamstring injury, right,
Speaker 1: He was banged up a lot. So it's just something
Speaker 1: you have to consider in the overall evaluation. Yeah too,
Speaker 1: And then you like a guy that's been banged up
Speaker 1: a lot in his career. O DIGGI zawat use another
Speaker 1: Ucla guy? Yeah? What's with Ucla guys? I'm just I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean that, but you watched the tape. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, about him against Banner holding up at
Speaker 1: the point of attack. That three hundred and sixty pound
Speaker 1: body was coming off and he was able to kind
Speaker 1: of hold his own in there, so he knows how
Speaker 1: to use his hands to keep it clean. But get
Speaker 1: the surgery has I'm not trying to be just get
Speaker 1: it done, like, I don't want it to be something
Speaker 1: hanging over his head. And you're right, we get to
Speaker 1: the combine, it'll all be standing there and he'll he'll
Speaker 1: be up there and and then medical information will leak
Speaker 1: out that he has to have the surgery, and then
Speaker 1: we'll all be Like I talked about it the Second
Speaker 1: Draft show, I had a conversation about this. Not to
Speaker 1: be an l Shoe hommer, but I was having a
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody about Kendall beckwith yeah, yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: an injury, and they're they're being really hush hush about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, dude, just just hell, just figure
Speaker 1: out what it is like in this day and age. No,
Speaker 1: you're not going to scare too many people off. If
Speaker 1: they think it's an injury, they can do. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith le sit in the top fifty. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you get get this, get whatever surgery you need, be
Speaker 1: honest about it, you're gonna get drafted. I don't get
Speaker 1: the need for like the secrecy or the delaying. So anyway,
Speaker 1: David Brian, you're gonna love this question. Yeah. We talked
Speaker 1: about oj Howard, We talk about Jake Butt as a
Speaker 1: consideration as a risky pick because of his injury. Does
Speaker 1: the presence of Rico gathers on the Cowboys roster do
Speaker 1: anything for you? And you know, maybe they don't need
Speaker 1: a tight end? You know, this is something that I
Speaker 1: can't really speak to because I don't I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him at practice. Yeah, so because that's we knew, we
Speaker 1: know the raw ability, but how is he progressing as
Speaker 1: a football player. Yeah. See, that's the thing. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the athletic ability with and that's what I mean. Remember
Speaker 1: Jason Garret would all tell us though, if they could
Speaker 1: hold up scout team cards and say, okay, Rico, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go whoop over here and then do that, then
Speaker 1: that was gonna be okay. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I had people come up to me and say, because
Speaker 1: I was always curious about Rico and I had people
Speaker 1: come to me and say, you got to see what
Speaker 1: Romo did with him today. You have to see what
Speaker 1: Romo how Romo threw him because Romo was with him
Speaker 1: on scout team, and Romo just kept throwing the ball
Speaker 1: because he was so much bigger. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: battling Church, he's battling Jones, He's battling Wilcox and Heath,
Speaker 1: and the kid just kept making plays. The problem is
Speaker 1: it's not the athletic ability, it's the mental side. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean the mental side like me, like play
Speaker 1: a couple of games out of helmet. Just hasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just hadn't played football. That is fascinating to me
Speaker 1: because I mean, oh, Romo. They said Romo would just
Speaker 1: light him up. We're so intrigued by O J. Howard
Speaker 1: because he's got this freakers athletics. Rico gathers as an
Speaker 1: athletic dude. I mean, if he can put it all together,
Speaker 1: what if what if you had both? What if you
Speaker 1: had both? Which you can't realistic going to next season?
Speaker 1: Now you're expecting him to be a number two. I
Speaker 1: think I think I'll tell you what you could you
Speaker 1: could realistically go in there and think that O. J. Howard,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you something I wrote about it today
Speaker 1: as well. The Browns coaches used him more in line, Dane.
Speaker 1: Did you notice that more is a more's a true?
Speaker 1: Why which I don't know. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was showing to me because if you watch him in Alabama,
Speaker 1: he plays detached, he plays as a wing, he plays
Speaker 1: as a move and so I mean they kind of
Speaker 1: showed him running routes from in line when I thought
Speaker 1: that was a thought, I thought Hugh Jackson. Their staff
Speaker 1: did a nice job of kind of and every route
Speaker 1: he ran he separated from somebody. I mean it was separation.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set you up a good question from James.
Speaker 1: I feel like I know where you're gonna go with
Speaker 1: this maybe, but we'll see um not so much receivers,
Speaker 1: but are there any return specialist guys that you might
Speaker 1: have an eye on out here? I know, for me personally,
Speaker 1: I want to see Donal Pumphrey. That's where I thought
Speaker 1: Brian was gonna go. See. I was kind of thing
Speaker 1: he give away and I knew I was again. Another
Speaker 1: guy wrote about today, I love the quickness of the player,
Speaker 1: I really do. And Dane made a great point. He goes, Brian,
Speaker 1: he's one sixty nine, he's won sixty FBS all time
Speaker 1: leading rusher. Yeah, what are you sixty nine pounds? He goes,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? I'm well, and that's the
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna I'm just gonna be I'm just a
Speaker 1: white head. But that's that's fair. That's fair. But that's
Speaker 1: why that's fair. You know when he punt returns he
Speaker 1: had at San Diego State zero. Yeah, And so that's
Speaker 1: why I want to see this week is can he
Speaker 1: field punts? Can he? You know? Does he? There's a
Speaker 1: lot that goes into it. It's not like it's an
Speaker 1: easy transit time, so you try to get rid of
Speaker 1: the lucky white head. I mean, I want to see
Speaker 1: can Pumfrey take on the punt return responsibilities? And not
Speaker 1: only so he can do it cash, Yeah, not only
Speaker 1: do it, but be actually effective at it. Because if
Speaker 1: he can do that, then there's a spot for him
Speaker 1: on my roster because then I can use him on
Speaker 1: offense and a certain pack let me tell you what.
Speaker 1: They couldn't cover the key coming out of the backfield. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would come up explode to his left and they
Speaker 1: just and he just you see it. I mean and
Speaker 1: even even the even the vision. I love the kid's vision.
Speaker 1: I love to watch San Diego stay tape where him
Speaker 1: just taking the ball and making cuts and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I can we right now stop the Darren Sproles comparisons
Speaker 1: because people think that it's not that thick No, it's not.
Speaker 1: I guess so many what is he like Darren Sproles.
Speaker 1: Everybody says Darren Sproles is short, but he's also like
Speaker 1: one ninety Yeah, that's the thickness. So he can legs,
Speaker 1: but yeah, to come between tackles at times where pum
Speaker 1: free one hundred and sixty nine pounds, very lean and
Speaker 1: he's not getting any bigger, all right, five o eight two,
Speaker 1: so he's just to tick over five eight but in
Speaker 1: small hands. Yeah, but he's guy's a good football player.
Speaker 1: He can make guys miss. Yeah, find ways to kind
Speaker 1: of get gay like down on the field. But you're right,
Speaker 1: see if you can find Yeah, that's the great thing
Speaker 1: about these bowl games. Maybe there's somebody that is a
Speaker 1: return to that you kind of don't know about it.
Speaker 1: And then when we sit get get back to the star,
Speaker 1: we'll sit down and watched the tape. See how the
Speaker 1: returners look Dorry Jackson. They have to exactly, that's a
Speaker 1: guy we're gonna be talking about a lot. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I had to watch that Utah tape. I told you
Speaker 1: about the Utah tape. Yeah, I got bullied a little
Speaker 1: bit in the Utah game. Some people said he got
Speaker 1: a little bit bullied against Penn State in the Rose Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad tape fire that people like
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, that tends to happen when you've got
Speaker 1: a guy that makes like Lightning Rod type plays. I
Speaker 1: feel like all this kid is Pepper Bill Peppers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somehow he was in New York for the hisman and
Speaker 1: he wasn't the best player on his own defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you get this much amount of attention on right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I know there are plenty of Michigan fans who will
Speaker 1: tell me that he was not the best player on
Speaker 1: that Michigan defense. Scot scouts will get the media caught
Speaker 1: up on that one. I mean, Lewis Charlton thirty second
Speaker 1: ranked player on your top fifty of I believe, right,
Speaker 1: all right, Eddie's I got one more, Eddie wants to know.
Speaker 1: And this is I mean, I think this is a
Speaker 1: fair question. You got if Tyron Crawford stays at end.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so it's so early to try to
Speaker 1: predict this stuff. You see three tech as something that
Speaker 1: needs looking at, even with Malie Collins having a good year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are trying to get that Florida State kid on board.
Speaker 1: I believe Walker. Yeah. Do you kind of think Walker's
Speaker 1: a three technique for Florida State? Yes, but he's not
Speaker 1: a three down three technique? Yeah, I mean he do
Speaker 1: you do you think he can hold up versus to
Speaker 1: run as a three technill he I know, but is
Speaker 1: he better than is he better at three technique for
Speaker 1: three downs than the year is playing defensive end? It's
Speaker 1: that's tough because yeah, and I know, I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I don't I worry about I think he
Speaker 1: could be a liability as a three technique on first
Speaker 1: and second down, whereas an edge rusher, He's I don't
Speaker 1: think he's as much a liability. He's just not gonna
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. So you're saying, yeah, it's you're
Speaker 1: not gonna have a true You're not have a true end.
Speaker 1: But you have a nickel player as a three technique
Speaker 1: to get attack. Here in lies the problem with Marcus
Speaker 1: Walker is what how do you what do you do
Speaker 1: with watch the old miss game. You drafted him in
Speaker 1: the first round. Let's oh my god, I watch all
Speaker 1: of his highlights. Yeah, and they come against the guard,
Speaker 1: because that's what I'm saying. They're all against the guard,
Speaker 1: the attack or the guard or the edge rushers going
Speaker 1: outside right room in the middle for him to beat
Speaker 1: a slow footed guard and it just looks easy. Let
Speaker 1: me keep this Senior Bowl oriented real quick. I'm and
Speaker 1: this has been a great place to watch defensive tackles
Speaker 1: over the last Oh yeah, Donald was here, Austin Johnson
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins Washington. Who there were like eight six
Speaker 1: good d tackles out here last year. Who who we
Speaker 1: got this year? Who are we looking at? Anybody? My
Speaker 1: boy from Charlotte, Larry Ogun Jobie, he walked past me today,
Speaker 1: big dude. Let me tell you what, man, that's some
Speaker 1: of a gun could get up the field now and
Speaker 1: he and in a matter of fact, you you told
Speaker 1: me he's coached by at Charlotte. He's coached by a
Speaker 1: former pro player Aaron Curry, the former top five pick
Speaker 1: out of Wake Forest. Who who's a bust. Yeah he
Speaker 1: has a nine draft but he Yeah, he's the defensive
Speaker 1: line coach at Charlotte. Now, um, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: Larry Ogman, Jobi is fascinating story. Yeah, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: He was a pain in the rear to block in
Speaker 1: the one on one drills today. He was attacking that
Speaker 1: the centers had problems. He was attacking snap hand. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Snap. You know, centers have a
Speaker 1: hard time of snapping the ball and then getting that
Speaker 1: hand up. But he was to the edge to the
Speaker 1: corner before they even had a chance to get their
Speaker 1: snap hand up and to try and stop. And started
Speaker 1: at the way in. He looked really good at the
Speaker 1: way in six two and a half, three or four.
Speaker 1: And this is the player who in high school he
Speaker 1: waited over three hundred fifty pounds. He had a lot
Speaker 1: of issues with his weight, finally started getting conditioned. His
Speaker 1: work ethic is you know, turned around to Charlotte. He
Speaker 1: was part of the first recruiting class at Charlotte when
Speaker 1: they was building a program. He's one of the founding
Speaker 1: players of this program, and he's going to be their
Speaker 1: first draft pick. Where's he go I mean third round?
Speaker 1: I would I think he's a third round player, might
Speaker 1: even go on possibly high. Yeah, you mean the workouts
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He's gonna do great in the
Speaker 1: shuttle drills and things like that because of his quickness.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a problem today. He was a
Speaker 1: nose guard on tape and that three four that they ran.
Speaker 1: But yeah, put play him on the edge in the
Speaker 1: edge technique tech. Yeah, let him get up field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be disruptive. All right, we're gonna take our final BREAKO.
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Speaker 1: can make you a smarter evaluator of the draft coming up. So, Okay,
Speaker 1: I talked about this, I teased it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's the padded practice. I think these coaches do a
Speaker 1: really nice job of tailoring the practices to allow the
Speaker 1: scouts and the coaches to really get a good handle
Speaker 1: on what, you know, what they could see from these kids.
Speaker 1: You know, physically, I hope Mike Tomlin's out there Boston
Speaker 1: people around he usually is. He is. He gets down
Speaker 1: the field and just starts to me like he's on
Speaker 1: the coaching stuff. Yeah, he just just yells at everybody.
Speaker 1: But see how that works with the Browns coaching style.
Speaker 1: It's a great point. That'll fly or not that won't be.
Speaker 1: That won't be work too well. But but let's talk
Speaker 1: talk about Dave tomorrow. We we've talked about offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: These defensive linemen. You know, we'll get some that nine
Speaker 1: on seven stuff. We're gonna get some one on one. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the pass rush stuff. We get a little
Speaker 1: of that today. But the pads just a little bit different.
Speaker 1: See how these kids carry their patch, right, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's like training camp. They Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: makes them go through those two days in shorts and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like yeah, uh so, yeah, pads
Speaker 1: come on and I mean they're not gonna be killing
Speaker 1: each other obviously, but um and you know, for me,
Speaker 1: I got to see basic for Desmond King, he'll hit somebody. Well, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because I want to see
Speaker 1: And everybody's gonna be watching the pass rushers obviously, but
Speaker 1: I want to see the dbs. I want to see
Speaker 1: what these guys look like. Uh, they should have opportunities
Speaker 1: to make plays with the you know the one on
Speaker 1: one and seven on seven and having a chance to
Speaker 1: actually get out there and kind of make some contact.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen plenty of tradevious White, but I
Speaker 1: want to see him go against these guys. Desmond King
Speaker 1: has been interesting to me for multiple years now, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see those guys day. The biggest thing
Speaker 1: for me is progression. I want to see progression throughout
Speaker 1: the week from these guys. What they did wrong today?
Speaker 1: Do they work on that tomorrow and Thursday and through
Speaker 1: the week and get better and really implement the coaching
Speaker 1: that they're getting. Um, you know, they're getting a first
Speaker 1: class education this week from NFL coaches and so you
Speaker 1: know they're getting a lot of FaceTime not only on
Speaker 1: the field with what we saw today, but also in
Speaker 1: the classroom with these with these coaches about different techniques,
Speaker 1: what they want to see, and so a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys struggled today. It's first practice. You're you know,
Speaker 1: new coaches, new verbiage, new teammates. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: so much new coomanatcha that it could be a struggle,
Speaker 1: but I want to see. So it's okay for the
Speaker 1: first day to see struggles. It don't make any you know,
Speaker 1: strong opinions based on one day. But tomorrow and Thursday,
Speaker 1: let's see improvement in those areas. Let's see you get
Speaker 1: better and really implement the coaching that you're getting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you make a great point. I think both
Speaker 1: of you make a great point. I this is the
Speaker 1: opportunity in our own h from Dallas Cowboys. Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: at DAK even tweeted that out. Hey, you know, every
Speaker 1: rep is important, whether you're you know, walking to into
Speaker 1: the huddle or you're going onto the field, you're always
Speaker 1: being evaluated. I think that's where these coaches, these scouts,
Speaker 1: these are the first impressions. I mean Dak Prescott's first
Speaker 1: impression on Scott Lenahan. The scouts and all that scouts
Speaker 1: had seen him at Mississippi State. But these coaches now
Speaker 1: they're now getting into the scouting process. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was the coaches that really pushed hard to get
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott selected so every everything like you guys were
Speaker 1: talking about, is important, and every rep they take, you know,
Speaker 1: every missed assignment, it's like, you know, hey, we tried
Speaker 1: to coach his kid up. You know, if you're a
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown or you're a Chicago Beart and you're thinking,
Speaker 1: we tried to coach his kid up and he couldn't
Speaker 1: pick up what we're doing. It's a test for these kids. Hey,
Speaker 1: And I mean obviously the practices are the krem della krem,
Speaker 1: but I mean I thought Dak made a great point
Speaker 1: like walking through the lobby with people and you know
Speaker 1: we're here doing the podcast, we're gonna go eat and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Players and coaches and scouts are they're
Speaker 1: working until midnight. They're interviewings and interviews. So it's a
Speaker 1: long week for these players and they got to be
Speaker 1: on for basically all of it. And the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: is a great opportunity for these coaches not only to
Speaker 1: find out, you know, like who might fit, but cross
Speaker 1: guys off the list. You know, guys that struggle throughout
Speaker 1: the week or you know, don't maybe fit the culture
Speaker 1: or the scheme. So yeah, this is this is a
Speaker 1: job interview. You know, it's this isn't the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls a reward, you know, this is different. This
Speaker 1: is a job interview. These guys are taking it serious
Speaker 1: and they know there are dollars and cents on the
Speaker 1: line with everything they do, every move they make this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think why it is so important though. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen some guys. We saw some some nice plays today,
Speaker 1: my little wide receiver Switzer a couple of times Coldby's
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a very similar builds even. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're seeing guys that are there. He's playing slot, he's
Speaker 1: they're trying him outside. I mean, they're trying to do
Speaker 1: things with these kids to test them, to test them,
Speaker 1: to see if in fact that they can handle what's
Speaker 1: being thrown at them. And I, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think really like you said, Dany, I think the next
Speaker 1: two days are really really important. Hell, you know, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, you know, they they they've got coaches at
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. It's been really easy for them to
Speaker 1: load up and go fly to the Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: hang out with a bunch of guys who were h
Speaker 1: you know, who have already made it. They chose to
Speaker 1: be here because they know how important this draft is.
Speaker 1: Forget the Joneses. Uh, Thomas to meet Tommy Day, my buddy,
Speaker 1: Tommy Day, I would still be spraying champagne everywhere if
Speaker 1: I were then, I don't know. You come here and
Speaker 1: you have everybody congratulated. You can't walk ten feet like
Speaker 1: a backslap to it. I sent him. I sent him
Speaker 1: a text message, Thomas to Mitchell. Tommy used to sleep
Speaker 1: on my couch when he was a young scout NFL Europe,
Speaker 1: and you know, but I sent him a text. I'm like, hey, congratulations, man,
Speaker 1: it's about time. You know, he'd been into Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in New England all but yeah, this is important. This
Speaker 1: is really important. So tomorrow we'll be a big day.
Speaker 1: We'll be here to cover it for you on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. Uh. You know, we're excited about the
Speaker 1: opportunity to to bring you the videos, to talk to people.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll bring you a little bit more look at
Speaker 1: with the draft show things like that, some some stuff
Speaker 1: with the some more articles and things like that to
Speaker 1: try and give you a little bit clearer picture of
Speaker 1: what's going on. So I'm excited about tom I'm excited
Speaker 1: about these next two days, I really really am and
Speaker 1: when what we what holds for them? We entered this
Speaker 1: week for me, Oj Howard was one and Forest Lamp
Speaker 1: was two. Yeah, do you agree with that? Coming into
Speaker 1: the week, I think so okay, Yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, Lamp to me was a guy that
Speaker 1: I was trying trying to figure it out. I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where he was gonna play. I
Speaker 1: didn't know is he is he a tackle? Can he
Speaker 1: be that guard? You know you compared him to take
Speaker 1: za Zack Martin path, right, So I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out. I'm trying, you know, when you're right, the measurables,
Speaker 1: the fact today that he showed a little bit better
Speaker 1: inside a handling stuff. When he got out on space,
Speaker 1: I felt like he was a little bit overextended, maybe
Speaker 1: leaning too much, But inside he looks pretty good. So
Speaker 1: I feel like I even remember when Zach Martin was here,
Speaker 1: it's like a stigma. You don't want to be a guard,
Speaker 1: you want to be a tackle. But do you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like that's changing now thanks to Zach Martin?
Speaker 1: And Yeah, Stephen Jones said he was like, you can
Speaker 1: count on us picking up the fifth year option. Zach
Speaker 1: Martin is very likely going to set the Guard market this.
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere. I mean, don't you can't let
Speaker 1: Zach Oh no, No, that's you know, he's I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a lifelong Cowboy. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: my point is I feel like in two or three
Speaker 1: short years, you know, Guard is all of a sudden
Speaker 1: like a sexy position. And I maybe I'm giving the
Speaker 1: Cowboys too much credit, but I think they have something
Speaker 1: to do with that. Let me give you let me
Speaker 1: ask you some some days since she talked, and we're
Speaker 1: running out of time here, but I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure we get this into the people, the Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans out there. Was was it addressed because Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: from here drafted, you know, obviously going to be the
Speaker 1: Cowboys quarterback in the future. Was there any discussion about
Speaker 1: what was going to go on with Tony Romo. I
Speaker 1: was stunned by how little even Jerry Jones was willing
Speaker 1: to say. And that's not Jerry Jones. He's not afraid
Speaker 1: to kind of talk and kind of throw some stuff
Speaker 1: out there and see what happens. Yeah, and a chum
Speaker 1: and the water guy, and he was just kind of like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna cool our jets on talking about this. We're
Speaker 1: gonna figure it out, but we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about it. And then we tried to talk to Stephen
Speaker 1: about it and he was like, you got the wrong guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to be talking to the other. Jerry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is one voice. This I think this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be Tony and this is gonna
Speaker 1: be Jerry. Yeah. I think when then and and we're
Speaker 1: we'll be there at the combine and I think this
Speaker 1: is when talks will really really start. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be unique in the in
Speaker 1: the in all the world of contract negotiations and free
Speaker 1: aid all that, I think it's gonna be unique with
Speaker 1: all of that, because very rarely do you see a
Speaker 1: player that means this much to this to a franchise
Speaker 1: at that position move before it's time to call it
Speaker 1: a career, you know. And so I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. Jerry Jones didn't want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't even I've been saying this
Speaker 1: since the season and I don't even know how you
Speaker 1: guess at which way it goes. But it will be
Speaker 1: fascinating when the wheels finally start. I do. I think
Speaker 1: when we when we load up and go to Indianapolis
Speaker 1: and the chance for the Jones is to meet with
Speaker 1: other general managers, other owners, I think teams are going
Speaker 1: to have an idea what they want to do. I
Speaker 1: think the window to do what they need to do
Speaker 1: is going to be some time before the league years
Speaker 1: starts and real quick March ninth, before before we do
Speaker 1: run at a time. I think that's a great point too.
Speaker 1: Is Cowboy season ended nine days ago, right last year,
Speaker 1: they'd had a month to stew about what they want
Speaker 1: to do and kind of about being the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: in December. They haven't even had their meeting, they haven't
Speaker 1: even finished their interviews about who did what, how they
Speaker 1: fight exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of work to do
Speaker 1: before they can make those kind of determinations. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we'll have a way better idea about it
Speaker 1: when we get to Andy. Okay, Well they that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all the time we got for the draft show tonight.
Speaker 1: I want to thank again David Hellman, Dame Brugler, Kent Garrison, executive.
Speaker 1: So I want to thank everybody out there for watching
Speaker 1: us today and we hope you have a good evening.
Speaker 1: We'll be back probably about the same time tomorrow, same
Speaker 1: type of practice schedule, I believe ye. So yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: look forward to we'll tweet it out on the Draft
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