WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ Senior Bowl 2017 - Day 1 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:17.480 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas Cowboys 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:24.200 Elliot and now your host Dane Brutler, David Hellman and 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.920 Brian brons Well, we promised you a draft show, and 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.480 we promised it to you from the Senior Bowl here Mobile, Alabama. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.239 So on our end of it, we're going to deliver here. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.559 And so I'm very excited once again to be with 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.440 my draft buddies, my general managers, my scouts, my guys 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.720 had just follow this thing tooth and nail all the 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.720 way through. David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Welcome again. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.320 We're putting the draft show together from a hotel room. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.360 I mean, we've done it before, but I just it's great. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:57.840 It's always fun when you can do it like this. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.160 Kenny props to Kent Garrison as abolutely. Ken Garrison's got 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.720 us on. And then Dame Bugler from CBS Sports dot 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.160 Com and a contributor to Dallascowboys dot Com. Again, I've 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.800 told you we are from the Vermobile, Alabama, here at 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.200 the Senior Bowl. Gonna get into a few things. We 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.680 had practice today. The North and the South got to 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.520 a practice a little bit, got a little bit of 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:24.320 idea with the shells, with the shoulder pads and then 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.640 the shorts and things like that, and so tomorrow will 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.560 be the hitting aspect of it, the physical aspect of it. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.640 Today we got to see the guys move around. But 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.399 to start today, we got to do a little bit 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.120 of the way ins. And that's always important for scouts 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.080 because they've really gone through. Unless a program has had 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.080 a pro day, a spring, a timing day, you really 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.720 don't have verified measurables. When I have come out the measurables. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.920 Of course, we're talking about the highthwaight and speed speed. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.960 You'll get different when we go to the combine or 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.000 from the pro days that will take place here in 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.480 March and April. So I want to get into some 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.440 of these guys, and we were talking about this today 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:09.120 Dane and Dave. There weren't any huge disparities in heights 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.760 and weights on these guys. Sometimes you get that where 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.600 you get an estimated height and weight and it's like, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.600 well the guy they say he's he's six four and 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.200 he's really only six one or something like that. You know, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.760 so you get that disparity. So if you know, we 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.400 had the the South team go first, and you know 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.079 a couple of guys. I want to point out to 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.880 you guys that you know that Dane that we've talked about, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.720 Dave that we've talked about potentially first second round type guys. Uh, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.600 you know, I really liked what I saw from the 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.120 Sean Hall from Texas A and M. Hall measured in 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.919 today at six h five three, so he's uh six 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.720 five and three eights and he was two hundred and 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.799 sixty five pounds. I think we were working on him 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.679 being two hundred and seventy pounds, So that was a 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.000 little bit lighter than what we normally have from him. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.200 But I like that you started with him because and 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.680 you talk about discrepancies, I mean, colleges love to exaggerate 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.480 the heights and weights of their guys. And when Hall 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.400 came up today, I was like, all right, let's see 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.960 what this guy really is because I had my doubts. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.079 And you know, like you said, he's a little bit lighter, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.399 but more for the most part, I mean, he lived 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.000 up to kind of what the billing was supposed to be. Yeah, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.680 you know, pressed by what he actually measured out at. Yeah, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.480 did I mean when when these defensive ends started going through. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.239 I mean, my my, the radar came up for me. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.400 And that's kind of the Dallas cowboy bias, you know 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.800 that I have to you know, we're talking about defensive 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.240 ends and stuff like that. Aaron Rodgers run around enough. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.000 Yeah exactly. But you know with with Hall and you know, 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.600 anything surprised you about him Dame physically? How did he looked? 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.960 He did he look like a guy that you know, hey, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.240 he could be that right end. Does he have a 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.280 right end build? To you? Does he have? Though? Does 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.480 he left end type of a guy? I think he's 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.200 more of a right end. And this is a player 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.680 who's put on a lot of weight since high school 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.680 a basketball player. Uh, when coach Sulan started recruiting him, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.480 he weighed about two hundred ten pounds, so he's put 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.600 on a good amount of muscle and it's very lean muscle. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.280 He doesn't have that traditional bulk. Uh, it's it's you know, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.160 well it's put throughout his body, which it really works 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.720 for him and in his play style. He had a 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.960 great day of practice as well. Uh, sticking with the 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:17.279 South team. A few surprises for me Forrest Lamp. Yeah, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.400 a guy that I've been talking up a lot lately. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.200 Came in at thirty one in an eighth inch arms, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.400 which is there's certain thresholds at every position and from 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.320 tackle you want at least thirty three inch arms. Traditionally 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.640 you want more like thirty four thirty five, and so 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.200 for him to come close to thirty one inch arms, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.400 that was really surprising and only backs up the point 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.800 that he's going to be a better guard than tackle. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.720 The next level with Forrest lamp I thought, uh, the 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.159 Villanova kid, Tanyo Paseno, Yeah, it looked like a Greek 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.800 god out there defensive. Wish you looked like him? Right? 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.360 Can you say it for us one more time? Tano Passen. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.600 I take all my pronunciation from Dane. Yeah, Dane is 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.520 the expert of that, but still it used to it. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.160 A lot of folks though on Twitter that reached out 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.039 to us today as we're watching practice, we're really interesting 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.360 And by the way, the practices were on the NFL network, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.160 so you had a chance to see that. Tomorrow. I 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.120 encourage you to follow on Dallas Cowboys dot com with 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.719 the stories. I mean, I've got some stuff up ten 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.920 points from practice today that you can take a peek at. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.840 But a lot of people had this Villanova young man 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.920 and they want to know where does he really fit? 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.920 Is he that left in right in type of a guy? 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.600 You know when I'll tell you what I saw with 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.360 him today. Saw a guy though in the drills, didn't 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.520 look quick off the ball, almost looked like he was 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.600 a little bit hesitant. And then when they went to 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.360 the team period, when they went to actually working some 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.680 of the one on one stuff, a little bit more 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.560 juice in this body, a little bit maybe a guy made. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.360 It's like, okay, well, I'm I'll be okay here. And 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.840 you're always kind of worried about those kids. You know 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.200 that they come from a place where they're not playing 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.919 and Villanova plays great basketball. We own all that there 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.039 number one rank in the country. But their football program, yeah, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.920 you know what, it's not exactly playing Auburn, Alabama or 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.160 any of those places. But how did you think he'd 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.520 fit in today, Dane? When you were watching him play? 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.760 Was it a struggle for him? Was he was he 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.720 a little bit better than than you thought he might be. 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.200 I think it matched what we saw on the tape 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.080 with him. Third round grade on him myself. Maybe that's 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.440 a little too hot. Maybe a little too low on him. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.279 I don't know what you thought about it. He seems 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.080 so raw. Yeah in so many in certain areas. But 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:29.280 when you're that long and what was his length thirty 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.640 five inch arms, eighty four and a half inch wingspan, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.039 eleven inch hands, I mean, when you have those type 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.039 of measurables, and he should test pretty well, yeah, fairly well, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.520 but his I just don't see the power at the 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.160 point of attack. Yeah, more of a development guy for me, 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.360 and so so you didn't have him as like that 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.840 as myself. Maybe I'm projecting him as a guy third 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.320 round guy that you'd have to probably take him there 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.760 with more about the measure measure. I see more of 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.200 a borderline top one hundred, So you know, late third, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.440 early fourth. You know, once you're these pass rushers are 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.000 gonna fly off the boards and second third rounds, and 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.560 so once that happens, once that run happens, then he's 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.000 a guy you think about late third maybe and hey 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.360 after the senior boy, after the combine he might rise 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.800 even higher. Sure, but that that's personally where I saw him. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.800 And during practice he had a great rep against Forest Lamp, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.480 crying off the edge, tossed him, got him off exactly, 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.280 really impressed. It kind of made you think Forest Lamp 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.760 needs to play inside because Forest Lamp, when we were 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.080 talking about him, backed up what we've talked about. He 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.400 was better at guard. Now let me ask you this day. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.160 Can the Cowboys, you know, I'll give you the cowboy 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.160 angle here. Can they afford to take a guy like 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.000 Dane was talking about in the you know, third round, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.520 late third round when they're picking, can they afford to 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.480 take a guy that's a little bit of a project. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.200 They just did it, didn't they. I mean Charles Tapper, well, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.560 Charles Tapper was Oklahoma. No, okay, But I'm just talking 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.720 about in terms of what they were asking to do. Well, 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.000 really a two gap kind of a player, though. I 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.360 mean you know that you know that that that that 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.400 that kind of that three four I get what you're saying, 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.600 Charles Tapper play, but the switch in defense is what 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.520 I'm talking about. Obviously, he played in the Big twelve, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.760 he played big time college football. And No, to answer 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.440 your question, no, that doesn't bother me, especially if you're 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.560 talking third fourth round. If you got the talent, I 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.760 mean you were high on Ronald Blair Lash absolutely, Yeah, 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.280 I thought, you know, I thought, it's another guy that 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.320 we loved that went to a smaller school than the 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.000 Appalachian State. Who am I thinking of? Well, there's uh 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.520 the Dane. Dane knows you purred your brain with all 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:31.320 their guy that went to Montanas Yeah, the rushing from home, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.599 Yeah exactly, And he was a guy that that that 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.880 got picked up, got released, Jacks released. Yeah. So yeah, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.480 if you got the talent to be drafted and we're 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.560 not talking about a first round pick, then yeah, I'm 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.920 fine with it. Doesn't bother me at all. And you know, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.160 I think the Cowboys are going to address their pass 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.480 rush in more ways than one going into into this 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.160 not even gonna say the draft, but the spring, we 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.120 had a chance. You had a chance to visit with 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.160 Steven and Jerry Jones. Stay any hints. I know they're 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.559 not going to chip their hand, and right, here's no 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.160 what and no, they're not gonna tip their hand, right, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.120 but you can read between the lines based on what 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.599 they will and won't say. And I thought it was 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:14.240 really interesting. Basically every question Steven Jones fielded today about 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.520 improving the team went back to the draft. Right, and again, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.160 that's not a set Stephen Jones though, but that Stephen 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.720 Jones wants to draft. He's kind of like Dame Bruegler. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.400 He wants to draft guys. He's not really interested in 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.640 free agency. And and isn't that the strategy that we've 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.840 seen from this team for the most part. I mean, yeah, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.800 they took a shot at Greg Hardy, p Paul something 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.320 like that. I'll be stunned if his team did something 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.280 like that, if they gave like a really you know, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.719 they're gonna significant contry and to fill the cracks the 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.160 way that they can. And I mean they're gonna draft 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.800 and you know, I think Cowboys fans would love to 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.079 see and the Cowboys themselves would love to see a 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.360 guy that they love at twenty eight who can rush 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.880 the passer. But they're gonna do it the best way 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.240 that they can find it. However, its stacks in the draft. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.160 And if this kid from Villanova, if they like him 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.079 that whatever, the third round, fourth round, I don't know, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.120 maybe have to take him in the second. Dan, if 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.360 you think about will he stretch? You like him potentially 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.559 getting to the third round, but could he stretch? I 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.920 mean we saw two defensive ends go off the board 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.520 really quickly. When Dallas was picking in the top of 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.920 the second round last year. Yeah, yeah, I mean two 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.040 guys and that kind of wiped him out a little bit. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.600 There they went for they went for the they went 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.360 for the shot on on Jalen Smith. The teams don't 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.760 like to talk on the record about their war room discussions, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.520 but if I think if Kevin Dodd or Emmanuel Ogba 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.400 had been there, I don't think Jayleen's I don't think 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.439 Jalen Smith would have been a pick either. There. Yeah, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.640 I think you're both right. But to your point, I think, wait, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.640 this pass rush class. Yeah, there's me so many different flavors. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.839 I think, you know, I'd rather have a Derek Rivers 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.640 from Youngstown State, another guy we could talk about I 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.080 had a good practice. I'd rather have that type of player. Yeah, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.960 uh than because to me, Passenger is not a starter 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.640 next year in the NFL. I and maybe as in 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.880 your too, he's pushing for starting reps. But a team 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.480 that rotates their defensive line the way Dallas does. Yeah, Okay, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.800 well this is a fantastic segmay actually because this morning, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.840 and I know your opinion because I read I edit 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.360 your work, right, thank you very much for that. Can 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.679 ask Dane about it. I had a scout tell me 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.960 this morning, I needed to watch this guy, and then 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.120 I had you tell me tonight I needed to watch 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.839 this guy. Dwayne Smoot. Yeah, guy who's been on the 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.520 radar for a while. Uh, a little undersized. What did 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.200 he come in at today? I'll tell you what. When 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.559 I was talking to Dane about Smoot and and and 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.720 and uh, he was kind of a little bit Uh 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.520 we were we guys like them more than I did. Yeah, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.800 and not that he's a bad player, I just I 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.680 don't think he's I think he's more of a second 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.880 round player than our first round. That's what I got him. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:47.640 I think him a second round on my board. Here, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.839 the measurables for for Dwayne Smoot goes by DJ TO 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.880 So he h it's uh six or two six, which 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.920 means six three. He's almost sixty three. He's two hundred 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.400 and fifty five pounds in an eighth on the hands, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.199 and then you're talking about the reach of thirty two. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.920 So yeah, I mean, and I wrote down in my 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.760 notes just unimpressive body type, unimpressive build. Um, so he 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.520 didn't have a great body, but when the practice was happening. Yeah, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.839 he was getting off the edge and he was Yeah. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.679 See there were there were two guys. I wrote about 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.079 this tonight and I was watching from my seat. I 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.200 was having trouble because him and him and and Carol Phillips, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.480 who's his teammate from Illinois, had the same helmet, right, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.680 So I'm thinking every time they're rushing and an alni 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.680 yeah and a line I and I'm thinking, who WHOA 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:39.640 that's him? But but I thought both Phillips and also Smoot, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.800 I thought that they they gave this uh this North 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.120 offensive line some fits. They did, and Smoot is a 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.400 player who, um you know, I do might meet the 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.040 prospects series for c guys back in September, I talked 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.959 I sat down with Smoot and talked to him and 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.720 really kind of broke down his game and just an 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.360 interesting player grew up outside of Columbus but didn't get 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.920 recruited by a house stay when Illinois. Plays with a 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.839 chip on his shoulder. Yeah, that type of players. So 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.440 he's not the biggest guy, might not be a fit 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.199 for every scheme what they're looking for, but in the 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.840 second round, absolutely he could be a candidate. But they're talking, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.680 you know, and he played and if you watch Illinois tape, 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.079 which if you have the opportunity, I encourage you to 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.839 do it. He plays both left and right. They move 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.319 him around, but I think he's more of a right 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.319 in absolutely, Yeah, I think so. I mean, that's what 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.000 I want, that's I gets. And I talked about this 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.880 on the last show. I'm tired of hearing about left end. Yeah, right, well, yeah, 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.320 go ahead, and Dane, I was gonna ask you, Brian, 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.240 to kind of do a thirty second explanation of the 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.840 difference for those you know, wanting to know left end 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.559 right end. Yeah. I think when you when you talk 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.600 about what the Cowboys do, you know your left end. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.040 Usually as a guy, most teams in National Football League 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.400 are right handed, so you get a team that runs 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.240 the football, they're gonna play right handed football, so they 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.679 run behind even though they're left. Tackle is a blindside 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.520 player usually your best player. But you if to play 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.480 the left end, and this is why with Tyran Crawford, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.400 you know he better as play in the run then 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.599 play in the past, so you're left ind traditionally a 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.960 longer guy. You want a guy that can can leverage 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.480 hold up at the point of attack, not get washed 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.600 out of there. Get handle blocks from the tight ends. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.400 Right ends or guys, as we all know, are screaming 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.800 off the edge. They're usually one on one with the offensive. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.000 The left tackles a little bit lighter build of a guy, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.640 and that's what we got in this draft. We've got 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.080 some guys that are left end type players. I think 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.520 the Tennessee kid yeah is a left end. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.040 I really really do. To me, you look at the 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.600 weight of a player, talk exactly. You know, the kid 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.840 from Michigan State McDow another left in in my opinion. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.920 You know these if you're two fifty five guy like 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.920 the Williams Smooth guys that we're talking about, those are 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.880 more right right red Russia. You want a bulk on 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.680 the left side and exactly right right Dayshawn Hall at 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.920 two sixty five, even though he is two sixty five, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.240 he's a lean to sixty right, but he plays left 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.800 end and he plays left in at Texas A and M. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.200 A big reason is because skirts on the right side. Yeah, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.720 this is tangentially related going back to Smooth, but I 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.000 think it's an important point. We touched on it at lunch. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.800 I think it's gonna be. It's gonna come up again 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.120 and again and again in this draft. And it's not 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:15.800 something we had to worry about last year because the 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.240 Cowboys were picking at the top. But when we're talking 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.200 about grades, Cowboys are picking twenty eight. They're picking four 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:23.920 spots from the end of the round, right, So I 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.320 think it's a whole day. It's gonna be exactly all 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.000 the way through, from first to seventh. I think it's 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.840 gonna be important to note. You know, when you say 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.080 a guy has a second round grade, you saying top 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.000 of the second round. You're saying, I mean, ye, see, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.080 the second round pick for the Cowboys is probably a 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.360 third round grade. That's a great point day because traditionally 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.040 in a draft room, in a war room setting, though, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.240 if you're picking it to back into the draft, you 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.640 almost have to think a round early, right. You know, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.720 if you're thinking that, uh, say, O, our Villanova guys 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.200 gonna be there in the third round, you might it's 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.680 that that's you might have to hit that one. If 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.320 you have a third round grade, it might mean you 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.240 actually have to take him in the bottom of the 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.280 second so you can make sure so when you're picking 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.720 up high, you could kind of play your board when 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.560 you're picking low at the back end. You got to 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.080 almost think around early, which okay, so I'll take it 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.880 all the way back around Dane. Okay, let's say DJ 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.400 Smoot Dayne Smoot is a second round grade. If he's 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.960 there when the Cowboys picking the second how do you 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.120 feel about that? I mean, does that excite you or 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.160 because the Cowboys will be picking at the end of 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.240 the second. So yeah, for me, I have a solid second. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.200 The way I do my grades is I give ones 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.000 or one, twos, twos or two three, And so if 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.120 a players at two three, then I'm thinking late third, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.280 early second. But if he's a solid two like I 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:43.160 have on Smoot, then you could kind of set it 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.360 your board. You could set board within the round, put 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.200 tags up on top, put tags on the bottom, right, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.080 so you do have some separation in the board. Just 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.040 what like Dane's talking about, I've had guys before where 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.280 you know, like Jason Witten. I'll give you example. The 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.880 grade was a one one nine. That was the last 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.080 first round grade we had in that draft. So the 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.000 lower the number, the higher the grade, the higher the 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:07.840 guy is up on your board, so you have to 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.600 be you can you can set it how you know, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.760 you think, Okay, this guy's a bottom of the first 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.800 type of a player, So you would have a problem 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.560 if they took smooth at twenty eight. You would because 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.359 you think, I think they're better players available. Yes, I 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.080 don't think he's one of the top twenty eight players 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.920 in this draft. Okay, well, let me ask you about this. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.000 We kind of talked about the way and stuff and 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.960 all that, and the South team. No really surprised with 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.359 the South with any of the measurements to anybody come in. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.879 That was just a surprise. We talked about a few 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.480 of them who the surprises. Gerald Everett the talent to 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.160 tight end from South Alberta eight and a quarter inch hands. Yeah, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.719 that's really surprising for a big tight end. I mean 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.680 he's what six two in and three quarters two or 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.879 twenty seven pounds. I mean ideally you want nine and 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.000 a half to ten inch hands, and he came in 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.040 close to eight inches. So drops weren't a huge problem 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.000 on his film. He did have some drops, but it's 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.680 something that does matter hand size with pass catchers. So 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.920 that was a little bit of a surprise for the 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.240 south and then if we want to jump to the north. Yeah. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.600 The big surprise in a good way for me was 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.760 Jordan Lewis, the Michigan corner. Yes, a guy that's listed 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.400 at five to eleven, but you watch him and he's 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.040 he's nowhere near five. He's a short player on film 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.359 talking to scouts who they measured him in the spring 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.520 at five nine about five a's right, and so I'm 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.520 I've been under the assumption all year that this is 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.080 a player five ten, right, And there's a lot of teams. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.600 If you're under five ten, they won't consider you in 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.520 the top fifty picks. Will Will McClay he's allergic to 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.119 small quarters player. The packers are like that. Yeah, there 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.440 were plenty of teams that are like that. And so 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.399 for a player like with like Lewis, who has some 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.560 first round traits, just not the size for him to 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.240 weigh in this morning at five ten even. It doesn't 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.280 sound like a big deal, but that's a win for him. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.880 And not only five ten even, but one eighty eight 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.440 and thirty one inch arms really impressive. Were a lamp 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.080 the offensive line. We talked about who could be the 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.800 next Zach Martin had thirty one in an eighth in charms. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.560 Jordan Lewis is just an eighth shy of that. So 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:09.680