Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sellings podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses Malone. So this had to be like the
Speaker 1: third or fourth conversation we didne had about accountability.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to set in to the masters, is.
Speaker 3: It, like you?
Speaker 1: Okay, we know women, forgive forgive me to all the
Speaker 1: ladies who' supporting No Ceilings. Trust me, I'm not being sexist.
Speaker 1: I'm not being what's the other word when they say
Speaker 1: you put down women all the time, chauvinistic, I'm not
Speaker 1: being chauvinistic. I'm not a sexist.
Speaker 4: Misogynists is that or is that even not the same term?
Speaker 4: I just know those things they yell at men?
Speaker 3: Sure? Sure? Right.
Speaker 1: Besides, which is weird because chivalry and chauvin is they
Speaker 1: probably have some kind of connection with that prefix.
Speaker 2: I don't think shive and schover the same.
Speaker 3: I know, but when they both start with.
Speaker 1: That that they probably somewhere you know all that shit
Speaker 1: Greek anyway, right, So, but moving on.
Speaker 3: Somewhere.
Speaker 1: But forgive me to all the women who enjoy No
Speaker 1: Ceilings podcasts, I am not putting you down. I really
Speaker 1: respect your contribution and I do think you're the greater
Speaker 1: of our two species. I mean, the ability to reproduce
Speaker 1: and bring a life into this universe definitely puts you
Speaker 1: a tear higher than men.
Speaker 4: I want you to pat sure Al Bundy sitting on
Speaker 4: his couch with his hands in his pants, and I
Speaker 4: want you to know you are slightly greater than that species.
Speaker 3: For sure, you're better than me. Right, but.
Speaker 1: We know you are allergic to accountability. It's hard because
Speaker 1: in theory, like women are gods on earth, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's hard for God to be accountable. I
Speaker 1: would imagine how challenging it would be for God to
Speaker 1: be accountable. So I understand why you guys struggle to
Speaker 1: deal with accountability.
Speaker 3: So, but it's weird when.
Speaker 2: I see rationale.
Speaker 1: But it gets weird when I see men being unaccountable.
Speaker 1: And usually when men start becoming you know, unaccountable, like
Speaker 1: they lack accountability, they usually get referenced as.
Speaker 3: It's like if somebody okay.
Speaker 1: So again, real snitching only real snitching when I say snitching, right,
Speaker 1: Real snitching is very much when you inform the police
Speaker 1: or authorities on someone else's crime with intent to avoid
Speaker 1: accountability for your own crime.
Speaker 3: That you committed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and usually when somebody snitches, we call them a bitch,
Speaker 1: ass nigga, a womanly acting man's because you.
Speaker 3: Are avoiding accountability.
Speaker 2: What's the root of snitch?
Speaker 3: It's a great word too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It almost sounds like they combined like sneaky bitch and
Speaker 4: made one word out of it, like you sneak bitch,
Speaker 4: you snitch sneak Like I don't know how snitch became
Speaker 4: a became a word.
Speaker 3: That's a great point. No, no, let me look up.
Speaker 3: Come from what's the early enough in this episode.
Speaker 4: We're so far into the concept we have to look
Speaker 4: it up. That's how real it is on this damn podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't like.
Speaker 1: We don't like trying to use words, especially when we
Speaker 1: get something going on.
Speaker 3: Well, they say the origin.
Speaker 1: Of snitches late seventeenth century. When it says where did
Speaker 1: the terms snitch originate?
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go for a generation. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: This shoots my theory right out of the sky. For
Speaker 2: going late seventeenth century.
Speaker 3: For a generation of Harry Potter readers.
Speaker 1: A snitch is the golden snitch, the wingball used in
Speaker 1: the area of quidditch. Snitch is the rat, the squiller,
Speaker 1: the grass, or anyone else who blacks to the police
Speaker 1: about his associates, criminals, activities to avoid accountability for his own.
Speaker 1: For as long as they have been secrets, thieves, and authorities,
Speaker 1: they have been disparaging words for the person who tells
Speaker 1: on friends. A Globe story this week reported on the
Speaker 1: website start snitching dot com that seeks to remove the
Speaker 1: sting from snitching by celebrating those who act against crime
Speaker 1: by reporting people they don't know or excuse me by
Speaker 1: reporting people they no have done wrong. It quotes celebrities
Speaker 1: who criticized the wall of silence that so often confronts
Speaker 1: investigating officers. Actor rapper iceed T earned a spot by
Speaker 1: condemning Cameron's statement that he wouldn't call the police even
Speaker 1: if his next door neighbor were a serial killer. I
Speaker 1: would like to see that condemnation because I don't think
Speaker 1: it probably went that way. But the vocabulary is with
Speaker 1: the villains who have spent centuries devising terms to denounce
Speaker 1: those who turn in thieves and cutthroats. Considered the nose,
Speaker 1: which by the late seventeen hundred was being used as a.
Speaker 3: Synonym for an informer.
Speaker 1: The eighteen eleven Dictionary of the Bucket Slang University with
Speaker 1: in pickpocket eloquence, essentially a retread of Francis Gross's seventeen
Speaker 1: eighty five Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, offers the
Speaker 1: example his pal nosed, and he was twisted for a
Speaker 1: crack and translated as his confederate return King's evidence, and
Speaker 1: he was hanged for burglary.
Speaker 3: I like that nose. Yeah, that's not bad.
Speaker 2: I saw that. I've also seen on online Etymology Dictionary
Speaker 2: eighteen oh one inform on someone reveal or give information
Speaker 2: from snitch now meaning steel or pilfer is a tested
Speaker 2: to nineteen eighty four, perhaps in this in this sense
Speaker 2: as a variant of snatch, snatched being to make a
Speaker 2: sudden sharp bite. A word of uncertain origin, perhaps recorded English.
Speaker 4: That bah, so we're either looking at you've I saw
Speaker 4: something else saying meaning nosy. But I don't think that
Speaker 4: that's really I don't think you get that kind of
Speaker 4: information by being a gossip.
Speaker 2: So you either know somebody or or you snatched on them.
Speaker 1: Since the word snitch had for decades been a synonym
Speaker 1: for the nose on one's face, snipe his snitch, snitch
Speaker 1: his snitch.
Speaker 3: Or snite his snitch.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: So since the word snitch for decades, since the word
Speaker 3: snitch had for decades been a synonym for the nose
Speaker 3: on one's face, snipe his snitch was defined by a
Speaker 3: seventeen hundred dictionary as give him a whack on the nose.
Speaker 4: See the author of Pinocchio got it wrong, and Pinocchio's
Speaker 4: nose should have grown every time he told on someone,
Speaker 4: not every time he lied.
Speaker 1: It was a simple matter to start calling an informer
Speaker 1: of snitch as well. Nobody knows where snitch came from,
Speaker 1: at least nobody is telling. The nose as informer has
Speaker 1: largely faded from use, but the element of not minding
Speaker 1: your own business continues in the adjective nosy and the
Speaker 1: expression nosy Parker, which appears today from a nineteen oh
Speaker 1: seven English picture postcard about a voyeur in Hyde Park.
Speaker 1: Compton Mackenzie picked it up in his nineteen twelve novel Carnival.
Speaker 1: I saw you go off with a fella. What of it,
Speaker 1: mister nosey Parker. Then there's peach, used in Britain from
Speaker 1: at least fourteen hundred for an informer and an act
Speaker 1: of informing peach. It derives from the edible peach, or
Speaker 1: excuse me, it derives not from the edible peach, but
Speaker 1: from the Latin and petticare to ensnare by feet. Pettica
Speaker 1: was a fetter, which involved to the French Emperor, still
Speaker 1: used today to mean hinder or prevent.
Speaker 3: Dude, Oh, snitch. Snitch is a word for nose. We
Speaker 3: should bring nose back.
Speaker 4: Yes, and furthermore, rather than like killing somebody or cutting
Speaker 4: off their tongue or whatever. If they snitch, it's pretty
Speaker 4: you know, you cut somebody's nose off night his snap, Now,
Speaker 4: that would be the That would not be fun to
Speaker 4: go around noseless.
Speaker 2: Not a good look.
Speaker 3: Definitely all in somebody and knows.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the conversation comes about is it's been a real
Speaker 1: crazy last two weeks.
Speaker 3: So, first off, the guys that actually.
Speaker 1: Were convicted of robbing and murdering PM B Rock, the
Speaker 1: father got time.
Speaker 3: He got thirty plus to life. I was correct. I
Speaker 3: think it's thirty plus to life.
Speaker 1: His one of his friends that set it up got
Speaker 1: double digit time. His old lady got time in prison.
Speaker 1: The kid who actually committed said crime is they're still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if he's going to be.
Speaker 3: You know, if his head is going to be on
Speaker 3: enough to deal with a trial.
Speaker 4: Is he a competent age or is he going to
Speaker 4: be tried as is he like a minor?
Speaker 1: Now he's nineteen, but the case was when he was
Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 2: Hm. That's the guy from Philly right over about Roscos.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And a buddy of mine was talking to me
Speaker 1: about it and he was like, you know, p and
Speaker 1: b Rock didn't deserve it. He said, that's what those
Speaker 1: guys get. And well, I agree. Right, justice exists for.
Speaker 3: A reason, right, is how we keep a balance in society.
Speaker 1: One of my homegirls, she really hates that their legal
Speaker 1: ramifications to creating society, and she felt like we'd be
Speaker 1: better off if everything was just jungle rules, the strongest
Speaker 1: or the weeddiest survived.
Speaker 2: The one reason why I disagree with that.
Speaker 4: Is if you have Party A does something to Party B,
Speaker 4: and then Party B retaliates, you have this endless retaliatory cycle.
Speaker 4: Or is, if you have a third party medium intervene,
Speaker 4: then it kind of takes that retaliatory you know, back
Speaker 4: and forth kind of to an end.
Speaker 2: To a degree.
Speaker 1: Sure brings some peace a little bit. No selings, g
Speaker 1: l uh, my brother Peter here back again, no ceilings
Speaker 1: fourth season and we cooking, cooking, I get it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It does create some level of peace,
Speaker 1: and in a jungle where there's probably not a ton
Speaker 1: of peace, you know, because everybody's trying to eat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But anyway, he said that to me, and it
Speaker 3: made me think, like, No, I.
Speaker 1: Guess in the society where laws exist, you know, fair
Speaker 1: is fair.
Speaker 3: No, we are aware of all the laws, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's up to us to definitely plan and
Speaker 1: plot to get ahead and not be held accountable by
Speaker 1: said government, you know. I mean, to make sure you
Speaker 1: weren't to make it hard for somebody to nose on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like going to a restaurant. Know the price of
Speaker 4: the food before you eat it, don't. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: snitch just like a running out of the check, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. It definitely is running out
Speaker 1: on the check. So he asked me. Based off a
Speaker 1: television show I did with Van Laydon Shout Out to
Speaker 1: my brother Man that came on television where he felt,
Speaker 1: I asked. He asked me based off of that show,
Speaker 1: He said, well, do you feel p and b Rock
Speaker 1: still has accountability? And I said, is he responsible for
Speaker 1: going in this community, this poor community, with what looks
Speaker 1: like one hundred to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: worth of jewelry into a poor community? And I told
Speaker 1: him it depends morally. Where does he sit if the
Speaker 1: law is your moral compass, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I can understand how you could absolve him of all responsibility.
Speaker 1: But because I grew up in the streets, right, I
Speaker 1: grew up under a different code, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The thing about the streets is very primitive and natural.
Speaker 3: It's nature. It's very nature.
Speaker 1: So if you you know, in regular civilian lifestyles, if
Speaker 1: you say something to somebody, if you say something to somebody,
Speaker 1: they cannot put their hands on you.
Speaker 3: Sure, right, that's normal based off the law.
Speaker 1: But where I come from, if you say the wrong
Speaker 1: thing to somebody, you may have to defend yourself. Like
Speaker 1: verbal assaults lead to physical assaults, and it's pretty much law.
Speaker 1: It's not something to be surprised about. You could kind
Speaker 1: of expect it, Like if you go into a regular
Speaker 1: McDonald's in a suburban community and you call a suburban
Speaker 1: worker out of their name. Let's say you called him
Speaker 1: a bitch. You feel me he maybe he doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: He just gonna ignore you. Now, if you go to
Speaker 1: the kin of Han, you know, shopping center one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty f in Wilmington, and you call an employee
Speaker 1: that lives in Imperial Course working at McDonald's a bitch,
Speaker 1: you may have to defend yourself. And I don't know
Speaker 1: which is better. I don't know which is better.
Speaker 2: I think the ones necessary because it's all about trying
Speaker 2: to maintain order via deterrent.
Speaker 4: So in Irvine, the threat of getting locked up, just
Speaker 4: the threat of it is to turn.
Speaker 2: Enough, and Watts, the threat of getting locked.
Speaker 4: Up isn't always the terrent enough. So then you have
Speaker 4: to create a new layer of deterrent, that being the
Speaker 4: immediate here and now deterrent.
Speaker 1: The just jury and executioner on the spot yeah, punishable
Speaker 1: by two punches to the face and the yeah.
Speaker 4: And sometimes that's not even enough to turn no. No,
Speaker 4: But it's certainly more deterrent than just maybe the legal
Speaker 4: system will take care for me.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you, Pete, because you grew
Speaker 1: up in HP and your and your background is a
Speaker 1: little different than mine.
Speaker 3: What is going on it? It feels like move your
Speaker 3: head to the left, like, oh wow, looks like you
Speaker 3: had a green screen behind you.
Speaker 4: Oh is it because this little in the headphones over here?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I don't know what it is. It's
Speaker 3: not important.
Speaker 1: But so let me ask you as somebody who grew
Speaker 1: up in Newport Beach, right, Uh, based off of what
Speaker 1: you know about the community, right, you've been down Like
Speaker 1: one thing also I want to get rid of is
Speaker 1: the word black community, because their communities are multiple. So
Speaker 1: whenever I reference the black community from here on, I'll
Speaker 1: say black America. Right, I won't use that term black
Speaker 1: community because obviously the community I'm from, like Carson is different.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's definitely not like you know, Westchester
Speaker 1: or anywhere over that way or like a Rancho and
Speaker 1: Ontario what I mean, where black people are still a
Speaker 1: major plus and a populace, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying. Sure, but.
Speaker 1: Knowing what you know about that Rosco specifically you know
Speaker 1: on Broadway many times on Maine and Manchester and let's
Speaker 1: say he was aware that this area is an area
Speaker 1: that's really stricken by poverty and lack of opportunities. Does
Speaker 1: he have any accountability at all of going over there
Speaker 1: with one hundred to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: worth of jewelry and pulling up in a quarter million
Speaker 1: dollar car.
Speaker 2: In a non function. It's dumb. I I'll say this.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if he thought he was trying
Speaker 4: to go to the other one by the airport, you know,
Speaker 4: over that one. There's actually two roscos on Manchester.
Speaker 3: Sure he was going to the right one. He'd been
Speaker 3: there before.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I don't know what the fuck he was thinking.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can understand if you're from out of
Speaker 4: town and you want to go do something like an
Speaker 4: event or something for the community, and you want to
Speaker 4: make a show of it, and you want to you know,
Speaker 4: give the people what they want to see, or you're
Speaker 4: going to do something to help out.
Speaker 2: Say hey, you know, like if like we were talking on.
Speaker 4: Live earlier about money and stuff like that, if we
Speaker 4: wanted to, like, say, go do some sort of big
Speaker 4: wealth thing. You want to try to look wealthy to
Speaker 4: kind of inspire people to see us, listen to us
Speaker 4: and take the messaging or I or if you were
Speaker 4: going to go to a concert, you want to give
Speaker 4: people the show they paid to see, or that they
Speaker 4: took the time out of their day to go see.
Speaker 4: But you just sliding over there to eat a damn
Speaker 4: piece of chicken. I mean, I can understand, like you
Speaker 4: do that ship to show people up. That's why you
Speaker 4: do it. You know, like in baseball, you don't stare
Speaker 4: down the picture, you don't flip the bat. The bench
Speaker 4: is clear, you know what I mean, because you don't
Speaker 4: show people up.
Speaker 2: So I understand that.
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 4: I mean, and not only are you running around, you're
Speaker 4: you're swimming in a shark tank with meat tied around
Speaker 4: your neck or.
Speaker 2: In to that, you're also showing people up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how I thought about it.
Speaker 1: And I think my buddy had got offended when I
Speaker 1: said it to him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1: Offend you for like, I'm just telling you, there has
Speaker 1: to be a huge responsibility in Black America, specifically in
Speaker 1: Black America, if not just humanity, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Why would you go around a bunch of poor people
Speaker 1: who don't have anything, especially black people who are being
Speaker 1: deprived of things, right and and and say, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to look like, you know, an opportunity. I just
Speaker 1: I don't get the logics. It could only be it
Speaker 1: could only be something dog that's like negative like it
Speaker 1: could only be like it could only be ego and
Speaker 1: again or pride, like that's the only thing that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not impossible.
Speaker 1: P and B could have went to there and thought
Speaker 1: he was going to the one on Manchester near the
Speaker 1: four or five freeway. But once you're driving around, once
Speaker 1: you start driving there, you could tell that it's a gloom.
Speaker 1: It's a different street on the atmosphere where you could
Speaker 1: look and you can see, like people over here don't
Speaker 1: have anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's daytime. It's not open all night long. I
Speaker 2: mean it's aside from that, you can just like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people over there look pretty aggressive.
Speaker 4: You know, depending on who might be there given time,
Speaker 4: especial seeing that a little strip mall. So you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I wouldn't do it, like I one
Speaker 4: time of all, like in my whole life, like one time,
Speaker 4: this girl that I used to date when I was
Speaker 4: in the when I was living in Oakland. She stayed
Speaker 4: out in the suburbs. We were going to a party.
Speaker 4: She wanted to get food off Seminary, you know, like
Speaker 4: filthy rich I we talk about Seminary and east O.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a soul
Speaker 1: food spot over there.
Speaker 3: I go too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we hit it looks like it looks like
Speaker 1: a like a buffet type of place, but it's fire.
Speaker 4: Me neither the same place. So I had not been
Speaker 4: through Oakland. I had lived this my first or second
Speaker 4: week there, so I hadn't painted the city yet. I
Speaker 4: didn't know geography. Damn, I know she lived here.
Speaker 3: I don't ever.
Speaker 4: So we're going to some birthday thing after that in
Speaker 4: the city and back then. You know, to go in
Speaker 4: a lot of places at night in the urban places
Speaker 4: you have to like have dress codes.
Speaker 2: So it's no tennis shoes, no teachers. So we were
Speaker 2: you know, I buttoned down hard sole shoes all that ship.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: I had been checked so hard trying to get a
Speaker 4: bite to eat in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: In my life, son.
Speaker 3: Of a bitch.
Speaker 4: They see me with that girl, they see me dressed
Speaker 4: up all like looking like a fish out of it.
Speaker 4: I'd been up and down seminary one hundred times sets,
Speaker 4: but I'm a T shirts and shorts or whatever the hell.
Speaker 3: But good Lord.
Speaker 2: Overthe lesson I have, Like grab scus, we go the
Speaker 2: fucking car. Now. I don't know what happened, like you
Speaker 2: don't know what happens.
Speaker 3: Nah man.
Speaker 1: And I guess he was offended that I said it,
Speaker 1: and I really just told him like yes, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a responsibility for black people doing well to
Speaker 1: really be mindful of people that are not doing well,
Speaker 1: Like that's the accountability, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: to be mindful you cannot There's a lot of this
Speaker 1: thing going on in hip hop where it's like the
Speaker 1: goal is is like, oh, I'm the man. I could
Speaker 1: wear my jewry anywhere I go. Yeah, I could wear
Speaker 1: my Jerry anywhere I go, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And it's to say that you are so and it's
Speaker 1: never set out of love, like, man, you know what,
Speaker 1: them brothers loved me, They wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I'm so hard. No one's gonna test me anywhere.
Speaker 1: It's always that mentality, And to me, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't blame hip hop for a lot of it.
Speaker 1: I don't blame hip hop for drugs. I don't blame
Speaker 1: hip hop for people shooting at each other. But you
Speaker 1: know the thing that I do blame hip hop for flossing.
Speaker 1: And it went from just flossing and being happy you
Speaker 1: were succeeding.
Speaker 3: It won't be. It won't be.
Speaker 1: It's not like a uh, flossing used to be just hey,
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, I'm so happy about it, to now
Speaker 1: where it's about, hey, I got more money than all
Speaker 1: of y'all that I grew up with I come from.
Speaker 1: I'm Richard than all of y'all broke niggas. Like who
Speaker 1: are you talking to? Because you're not talking to no
Speaker 1: white people? Like and that's now the thing, Like even
Speaker 1: right now, Lotto has a song called Brokie, and it's
Speaker 1: just like hip hop is the artistic expression of that
Speaker 1: culture from those environments. So how did it get reversed
Speaker 1: to where the joke is on those poor people that
Speaker 1: created that culture?
Speaker 4: It's so rot with like I won't say hypocrisy, but
Speaker 4: like it's like a logical strain. It's like one line
Speaker 4: is I'm way Richard and all you bums. The next
Speaker 4: line is I always go back to, you know, my neighborhood,
Speaker 4: and everybody loves me. It's so cool because I'm so,
Speaker 4: I'm so from here. It's like, well, which kind of
Speaker 4: what is it like?
Speaker 3: Are you.
Speaker 4: Just trying to be like regular, like nothing changed? Are
Speaker 4: you a whole different person in the whole different world now?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Maybe not line to line, but like song to song.
Speaker 1: And like, don't get me wrong, I've definitely had nice things,
Speaker 1: but I definitely never made it as simple as taking
Speaker 1: it off my neck. Sure, I never made it simple
Speaker 1: as taking it off my wrist. I never made it
Speaker 1: as simple as taking it off my hands. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to drive away in something that I got insured on,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So to answer your question
Speaker 1: to the hommy that was asking me that I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna blow you out on the podcast, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think he does have a sense of accountability
Speaker 1: for going in a place that's been oppressed and deprived
Speaker 1: of opportunities and not bringing an opportunity, but deciding that,
Speaker 1: you know, you would make a name off of showing
Speaker 1: that you could be over there work for all that
Speaker 1: money while people because you wouldn't brag about that. If
Speaker 1: you went to Beverly Hills, you wouldn't say, hey, I
Speaker 1: wore all my jury around the people, you know at
Speaker 1: Nobles and Malleble, or you wouldn't say I wore my
Speaker 1: Jewey around.
Speaker 3: You know. I was walking down Rodeo and I had
Speaker 3: my all my jury on rappers.
Speaker 2: Say I wear my I wear your house on my wrist.
Speaker 4: I've heard that line, you know, so it's like, that's
Speaker 4: that's a funck you like, bluntly, it kind of like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, that that that Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 4: we have to hold ourselves to some level of accountabilitys.
Speaker 1: After that, we started to talk about Young Dolph Rest
Speaker 1: in peace. Young Dolph Rest in Peace, jug and everybody
Speaker 1: else who passed away down in Memphis, you know that
Speaker 1: were really making their way in hip hop. But the
Speaker 1: guy who actually are convicted of murdering Dolph, they got
Speaker 1: sentenced this week.
Speaker 3: M hm. So I think we talked about this on
Speaker 3: the live. Huh what they get?
Speaker 1: So we talked about this on the live. Remember it
Speaker 1: was two guys. Mhm, it was two guys. Uh, JaMarcus
Speaker 1: Johnson and Justin Johnson. I don't even think they're related
Speaker 1: again Hernandez Govin was accused. Justin Johnson was accused, Cornelius
Speaker 1: Smith was accused. Seandale Barnett was.
Speaker 2: One person's first name was Hernandez.
Speaker 3: Yes, Hernandez Govin.
Speaker 2: Oh so he might be like, I didn't hear the
Speaker 2: last name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So from what they're saying, right, based off
Speaker 1: of the information, one of another guy goes to the
Speaker 1: Spanish guy and says, hey, man, you know this guy's
Speaker 1: you know, Dolph is talking too crazy. I want to
Speaker 1: spend you know, so much money. I want to spend
Speaker 1: so much money on getting those people murder. I want
Speaker 1: to spend so much money on getting those people murder.
Speaker 1: And the guy say, okay, I'll put together a team.
Speaker 1: Say puts together team. And it's these two guys, right,
Speaker 1: These two guys answer the call. They're supposed to get
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars apiece. They catch Dolph
Speaker 1: dolphins in town. He's planning a turkey drive, goes to
Speaker 1: his favorite cookie spot in his old community and a
Speaker 1: really loud Lamborghini you know, probably one of one in
Speaker 1: Memphis for sure, and they catch him in traffic. They
Speaker 1: verify the reward for accomplishing the task, and as Dolphins
Speaker 1: way on his cookies in the cookie store, they job
Speaker 1: out the car and they pursue to shooting up the location,
Speaker 1: and obviously they hit Golf.
Speaker 3: Dolph is with a guy that's referred to as his brother.
Speaker 1: His brother's shooting back, you know, but they successfully you know,
Speaker 1: executed Dolf. When they get back off the mission, they
Speaker 1: go lay low. One of the guys received five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: The other guy's a rapper too, so no, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much money got, but word is he got
Speaker 1: paid when he was supposed to get paid. But this
Speaker 1: guy specifically, you know, they say, the word is he's
Speaker 1: somebody that's really hard on drugs. Which that's the kind
Speaker 1: of mind you have to be to execute somebody anyway,
Speaker 1: especially a stranger for some money, if that's not your
Speaker 1: profession as a hit man. He gets five hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: it's in trouble, and gets another three hundred dollars. Say
Speaker 1: the person who ordered the actual hit on Dolph even
Speaker 1: paid for the guy's lawyer that received eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: So obviously the guy that received eight hundred dollars told
Speaker 1: on the popular guy that probably pretty much got all
Speaker 1: the money. The guy gets life in prison. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much time to god, it actually knows.
Speaker 3: On no, that knows. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: Much time he got. But the other shooter received life
Speaker 1: in prison for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was having the same conversation with the same
Speaker 1: homie and he.
Speaker 3: Was like, well, do you feel like it's doll fault?
Speaker 3: And I said to myself, like, do I feel like
Speaker 3: it's doll fault? What? And then I said it out loud,
Speaker 3: do I feel like it's doll fault?
Speaker 1: What he said? Did he cause his own death? Or
Speaker 1: you know, do you blame the guy? So the guy
Speaker 1: that the guy that knows said the actual hit was
Speaker 1: ordered by a big jug player in Memphis related to
Speaker 1: some rappers. You know, so forth a song, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he puts the hit out and there
Speaker 1: is a song where Dolph is really talking crazy about
Speaker 1: this man, his family, his friends, his community and everybody.
Speaker 1: A song called a hundred Shots, And I mean Dolph
Speaker 1: is going crazy, he is hopping.
Speaker 3: It high level, going off.
Speaker 1: And so as me and my buddy is talking about this,
Speaker 1: I said, so do you think he like, how did
Speaker 1: you think that.
Speaker 3: Would play out. He was like, what you mean. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: let's say, if I get to calling you.
Speaker 1: Out your name, and I call you mother her name,
Speaker 1: and I call your brother out his name, and I
Speaker 1: started talking about your sexual orientation, and I start just
Speaker 1: this whole rant, you know, talking bad about you. He
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know I wouldn't kill you over it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but what about the people that would.
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I said, what if you knew I would kill you
Speaker 1: over things you say to me? You're like, what you mean?
Speaker 1: I said, what if you thought to yourself? I carry
Speaker 1: what if you thought yourself? I carry myself with this
Speaker 1: type of esteem, And like, I don't play about my
Speaker 1: reputation and my name and how you speak to me
Speaker 1: any of these things. You knew that that's how I
Speaker 1: got damn and you started to talk about me publicly.
Speaker 1: You put my back to the wall because you know
Speaker 1: what I'm about. I said, are you accountable? He's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: you should just get over it. I said, so even
Speaker 1: if you know, and I.
Speaker 2: Wish the world was I wish the world was run
Speaker 2: by shuldz. Oh good God, damn it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know if I'm losing
Speaker 1: my mind to where.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1: It's no way I think I'm going to talk like
Speaker 1: that about other people that are just about maybe more
Speaker 1: most of them, some of them more are more action
Speaker 1: than me. And I'm going to go and saught you,
Speaker 1: your family, your friends, your honor.
Speaker 3: Everything about you.
Speaker 1: And I think to myself, hey, this is going to
Speaker 1: end anything outside of somebody getting shot. Now, maybe the
Speaker 1: streets taught me that, but I know that it's going
Speaker 1: to end one way. So somebody like Dolf, who is
Speaker 1: from the streets, you know what I mean to some degree.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a hustler for sure. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know his background as a you know, maybe his peers
Speaker 1: did a better job, but I'm sure was hustling in
Speaker 1: the streets. Because for sure Dolph was getting to it
Speaker 1: in the streets were he was aware of saying repercussions
Speaker 1: and how things could play out.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost amazing to think about, Like he's
Speaker 2: from South Memphis, which is not big. It's like he
Speaker 2: it's almost it's like Drakish, the degree of disassociation from reality.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's his. I'm not saying it's oh
Speaker 2: it's his fault and did it, but like it, it's
Speaker 2: sure as hell was not responsible.
Speaker 4: Especially I mean, God, have you been down there? This
Speaker 4: fucking big And not only is this fucking big, it
Speaker 4: is wild as shit down there. Every time I go
Speaker 4: over there to go look at some property, there's some
Speaker 4: crazy shit happening. Some guy got madaged after a whole
Speaker 4: clip of the through the drive through with the Burger Kings.
Speaker 4: It took out like three people who worked at the
Speaker 4: Burger k lady did that lady was.
Speaker 1: At a restaurant. I don't know if it was Popeye's
Speaker 1: or Kentucky or churches.
Speaker 3: It might have been churches.
Speaker 1: But the lady was ordering some food and she got
Speaker 1: into it with the tailor and she didn't like the
Speaker 1: tailor says something she felt was over the top disrespectful.
Speaker 1: She waited on that lady or that lady came on
Speaker 1: that restaurant and she shot that lady.
Speaker 4: They said, where they're in Memphis, the one I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: The video shows a guy hanging out into the drive
Speaker 4: through with a Burger place, and this.
Speaker 3: Is the same situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just don't get it, Like I don't
Speaker 1: get how like even rappers. I don't get where do
Speaker 1: they think this is going to play out, like, especially
Speaker 1: in hip hop, Like even when you said Drake is right,
Speaker 1: Drake is not.
Speaker 3: From the streets. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: That he's felt and he's wealthy. He got some coin,
Speaker 1: so maybe he is. Like what would happen to somebody
Speaker 1: like him is jail. He would do the wrong thing
Speaker 1: and find himself on the opposite side of the law
Speaker 1: and in prison. And you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing that happens to people like that.
Speaker 3: But the thing that happens to people that look like me,
Speaker 3: that come from where we come from.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you gonna end up in
Speaker 1: prison for having to shoot somebody, or you're gonna end
Speaker 1: up shot. And and even at that point, and and
Speaker 1: and and Doph situation, Dolf had been shot in La
Speaker 1: Dolf had his vehicles shot up in somewhere in the
Speaker 1: south in the Carolinas.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, and now this so.
Speaker 1: He was fully aware that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: how these situations can play out. Yeah, yeah, So is
Speaker 1: there any accountability on his behalf?
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends if he wants to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if he doesn't want to be shot and killed,
Speaker 4: then yes, you know, some people act like that, will
Speaker 4: give a damn. I mean, after you die, it's hard
Speaker 4: to go back and ask you if you changed your mind.
Speaker 4: But it's pretty remarkable to not know your own town,
Speaker 4: to not know the people you're dealing with like that,
Speaker 4: to not know, I mean, like I could, I could
Speaker 4: maybe see possibly pulling off some kind of thing like that.
Speaker 4: In La, It's it's bigger, it's vaster. People have more
Speaker 4: stuff going on with their time. You might get over
Speaker 4: something in La more easily because there's more ship to do.
Speaker 4: You got more down there. You got nothing to do
Speaker 4: but just just fucking a wait for a guy to
Speaker 4: show up for years. I mean I don't that because
Speaker 4: that dragged on from the point from from the cookie
Speaker 4: shop back to whenever this shit started was years.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean if, if, if all these situations
Speaker 1: are the same crew of guys he's been getting in
Speaker 1: I think that's the general consensus is that this is
Speaker 1: the same crew he's been getting into it with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, at some point, dude, you got enough
Speaker 4: money and enough shit going on to just somebody is
Speaker 4: to politic that out of you know, existence, but even
Speaker 4: even the politic, what makes you, as.
Speaker 1: A human get on a microphone and antagonize somebody who
Speaker 1: shot at your vehicle one hundred times?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: How in any way is that an appropriate response? What
Speaker 1: could you be thinking about?
Speaker 3: You know what? I mean? What could what could.
Speaker 1: You be thinking about that makes that inappropriate response?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's I won't say, it's kind of
Speaker 4: like I name the song poc through like who shot
Speaker 4: you or something like that. There's something of the song
Speaker 4: poked it.
Speaker 3: It was biggie Biggie, who shot you? Okay?
Speaker 2: Well I thought Pa was or was talking about talking
Speaker 2: about the way ship went down the studio.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, okay, you're talking about bomb? Are you talking about
Speaker 1: hit him up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: That's always a tricky situation because.
Speaker 1: Everybody involved or in the know of that situation said
Speaker 1: that he knew exactly what that was about, and he
Speaker 1: knew exactly the person that you know, he knew exactly
Speaker 1: how he got shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at a.
Speaker 1: Certain degree, he was marketing his wasn't his wasn't like dirt.
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me not Dirk, forgive me shout out
Speaker 1: to Dirk. I do not mean to bring your bring
Speaker 1: you in his space where your energy is move whereas
Speaker 1: moving forgive me my boy doff rest in peace. He
Speaker 1: like he knew his situation was legit. Yeah, like he
Speaker 1: knew his situation was legit. He knew, you know, people
Speaker 1: were actively trying to bring him home.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I'll say this much. These are people from
Speaker 2: your town that is small where apparently you go a lot.
Speaker 2: It's not like someone three thousand miles away. And yeah,
Speaker 2: if you want to go get somebody, you can go get.
Speaker 4: Them, but you making it a whole hell of a
Speaker 4: lot easier.
Speaker 1: I just don't get the mentality, man, I don't. I
Speaker 1: never got that, even as a gang banger every day,
Speaker 1: like you know, whacking out somebody's name, whacking out somebody's
Speaker 1: name and putting your name next to it. At that point,
Speaker 1: it'd be better off going to shoot that person. Sure
Speaker 1: got that, you know what I mean? I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm just confused. And my hommy just, you know, he
Speaker 1: feels like I'm like this street apologists and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't apologize for the streets. I think
Speaker 1: the streets are the truest sense of justice. I think
Speaker 1: it's true. I think you can't buy your way out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think in regular America, you know, he who has
Speaker 1: the bag has more actions of being less accountable.
Speaker 3: I think in the streets, you know, if you.
Speaker 1: Told on somebody and and some people that disagree because
Speaker 1: some people feel like, oh people are rich and they're
Speaker 1: telling now, and I'm like, I don't know, tell somebody
Speaker 1: to tell me which one of their homies is telling
Speaker 1: and they good where they at?
Speaker 3: I mean, prove you show some pepperwork.
Speaker 1: Eventually, what happens is people just don't want to be
Speaker 1: around that person. You know, they they can sense the
Speaker 1: lack of accountability. Sure, true, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't get the mind state. Draco rest in peace.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Draco, Shout out to the whole Stick team,
Speaker 1: Like why would you antagonize a whole community of people?
Speaker 3: Like how does like how how do you disrespect the.
Speaker 1: Complete entity that is Inglewood? How does that makes sense?
Speaker 3: And and.
Speaker 1: Like who are like what is it really for? If
Speaker 1: if it's not just posturing, what is it for? Like
Speaker 1: like you're trying to show everybody that what like and
Speaker 1: and is that the way to show everybody that are
Speaker 1: you trying to monetize this situation?
Speaker 3: And it's something for real?
Speaker 2: It's like Daredevil.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's it's It would be like not
Speaker 4: blaming Steve O when he jumps off of a ladder
Speaker 4: onto a better fireworks and gets third degree burns.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It gets worse and worse and worse,
Speaker 3: worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1: I don't know what more to do, man, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to get through to these rappers. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to get through. Like I look at people
Speaker 1: like d One and certain people who kind of push
Speaker 1: and they feel like they're pushing positivity, And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be corny, Like forgive me because
Speaker 1: I'm not referencing D One is corny, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to be like I've never leaned positive or negative
Speaker 1: like I lean for the actual. You know how it
Speaker 1: always works. I understand how something happened, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna argue with every situation. Some people deserve to get shot,
Speaker 1: some people don't deserve to get shot.
Speaker 3: So you know I'm not you know.
Speaker 1: I appreciate rappers who are overly overtly positive or I
Speaker 1: don't really know a rapper overtly negative. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think circumstances, you know, where we come from,
Speaker 1: can create the arts that we paint.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've always looked at it, like like Project
Speaker 4: Pat for example, Sure the way he did music and stuff,
Speaker 4: and he did time, he was a street guy. He
Speaker 4: wasn't one of the music guy liked his music a lot.
Speaker 4: But like even when I watch him do it interviews,
Speaker 4: people ask him stuff about Memphis and this and that
Speaker 4: he is very like his tone and demeanor on things
Speaker 4: is very particular. It's very responsible, you know, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know what kind of issues like, and I hear
Speaker 4: stuff about like someone in an interview was saying something
Speaker 4: about how back in the day, like three six was
Speaker 4: at a studio and Yo, guys was to come in
Speaker 4: and do an interview later, and they didn't want to
Speaker 4: be there at the same time. Even like three people
Speaker 4: din't even want to go if he was going to
Speaker 4: be there later because they didn't want to even.
Speaker 2: Deal with that whole team of people. But they didn't.
Speaker 2: They weren't even like running each other running each other
Speaker 2: on on songs. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just think it gets worse and worse.
Speaker 1: And I do think hip hop, you know, deserves some
Speaker 1: accountability for things. I don't think hip hop deserves the
Speaker 1: accountability for what's happening in Chicago. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the circumstances, the the lack of opportunity. I think oppression
Speaker 1: is setting in and you combine that with drugs and
Speaker 1: you and some reason they got a bunch of free
Speaker 1: guns because ain't nobody got no money, but they got
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars guns. You feel me, I think I
Speaker 1: don't blame them for the circumstances. But again, I noticed,
Speaker 1: once you put yourself you like, you take this art,
Speaker 1: this blessing that we call hip hop, and you decide
Speaker 1: to take that and antagonize human beings with it. No,
Speaker 1: especially human beings that have enough money to balance the scale,
Speaker 1: or they don't have enough money and all they have
Speaker 1: is reputation. I think you can fall victim to whatever happens.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, like, I'm sad for people's kids,
Speaker 1: I'm sad for their parents, I'm sad for their family.
Speaker 3: But I really genuinely.
Speaker 1: Think Pete people decided their own fate at that point.
Speaker 3: I think that's the choice.
Speaker 1: I think when p and b Rock goes to that ghetto,
Speaker 1: I've been to Philly a million times, Like I will
Speaker 1: never go to a ghetto with a Rolex song and
Speaker 1: a bunch of big diamond chains on. I just I
Speaker 1: don't care which ghetto. I'm not gonna play with nobody
Speaker 1: ghetto because I know it's bad and people trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Even if they don't recognize you, Like I wouldn't want
Speaker 4: to show up somewhere like that as that why is
Speaker 4: he here and why has he got all that on?
Speaker 2: Who the fuck you think he is? And what is
Speaker 2: he doing? It's not dissimilar to the look when I
Speaker 2: go somewhere and people stare me up and down trying
Speaker 2: to figure out I'm police.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: And even in like let's say Doph situation, Like I've
Speaker 1: had conflict with other artists or different people on the streets.
Speaker 1: But I don't use my music to showcase our issues.
Speaker 1: I don't use my platform to showcase our issues. Like
Speaker 1: when I did have an issue with fellow legendary rappers
Speaker 1: from the West, I mean not fellow because these are
Speaker 1: like my predecessors to some degree, they my heroes. Even
Speaker 1: when we had disagreements, like with ice Cube or something,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting out no records, like I'll see people
Speaker 1: and we gonna have that conversation. Then I saw the
Speaker 1: seeing person, we had that real conversation. I saw snooping person,
Speaker 1: we had that conversation. I heard, I saw a Cuban person,
Speaker 1: and we had that conversation. I don't need to try
Speaker 1: to shame you publicly. I mean, that does nothing for
Speaker 1: me except make people alert that it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem with me and and that that would be my thing.
Speaker 3: Like I said to even a Draco or any of.
Speaker 1: Those guys, It's like, yo, if this is really a problem,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything, and I'm gonna just bring.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring the solution. Feel me.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna publicly discourage you. I'm I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: privately bring the solution. Whether the solution is you know,
Speaker 1: hurting you, you know what I mean, whether the solution
Speaker 1: is whatever it is, I'm we're gonna deal with it.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand this, this dire need to entertain
Speaker 1: people at the expense of talking crazy about you know,
Speaker 1: people not doing well or people that can hurt you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think with Dolph, I think he felt invincible. Obviously.
Speaker 4: I think there's an idea of people like there's a
Speaker 4: capacity to capitalize on that.
Speaker 2: That song was huge, was it was huge because of
Speaker 2: the drama.
Speaker 3: It's a good song, but it was huge because of
Speaker 3: the drama. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think people bluntly speaking, I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously it's not speculative.
Speaker 4: A lot of the people they're willing to take big
Speaker 4: time risks. If you come up in life like that
Speaker 4: willing to take big time risks to get a little
Speaker 4: bit of money, you're probably willing to take that big
Speaker 4: time risk to get a lot of.
Speaker 1: Money with your life though, pe not jail your life.
Speaker 2: How all right? If you.
Speaker 4: Out there, if you're if you're retailing in that kind
Speaker 4: of an environment, there's a decent degree of risk to
Speaker 4: your life.
Speaker 3: It's a decent degree for sure.
Speaker 1: If you selling, you know, you you take something out
Speaker 1: there around the Memphis and you open up shop, Yes,
Speaker 1: somebody can rob and kill you.
Speaker 2: Even if you like are from Memphis. You're just out there.
Speaker 1: But it's a different task to go to Memphis and
Speaker 1: call a bunch of people out of their name, disrespect
Speaker 1: their mother, disrestract. There's only one way that can play out.
Speaker 1: If I go to Memphis, let's say, with some PCP
Speaker 1: and I'm opening up shop. There's a chance, yeah, people
Speaker 1: could rob and kill me. But there's also a chance
Speaker 1: I could meet some Memphis people who actually want to
Speaker 1: make some money with me and build a relationship. Now
Speaker 1: we're life long. Now we're life long. There's a better
Speaker 1: chance I'm going to meet someone like that. I immediately
Speaker 1: go to Memphis and I start insulting people, calling people
Speaker 1: out their names, you know, talking about their family, their mother,
Speaker 1: just making.
Speaker 3: A mockery to them.
Speaker 1: There's very little chance for me to meet somebody positive
Speaker 1: that's going to help me fix my situation or or
Speaker 1: that's going to fix the situation. It pretty much can
Speaker 1: only go one of three ways. If I go take
Speaker 1: ZP down there, things could go one of ten ways.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like, if you just I'm just staying in
Speaker 4: your local environment, so you just the inherent risks of
Speaker 4: being out moving around, being known what you do, that
Speaker 4: you got money whatever, a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, but that you just that's just what you do.
Speaker 2: You're in this area, it's a contested area. It's what
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 4: And then you kind of don't really live there anymore,
Speaker 4: so you know, like you elevate the risk, but you
Speaker 4: increase the distance.
Speaker 2: So I think you get this illusion that like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can say whatever, I don't even like, I don't
Speaker 2: even live down there anymore, and you go down there
Speaker 2: for three days a year and get smoked, you know
Speaker 2: what I.
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