Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi guys, Hi.
Speaker 1: We are We're having another Still the Place recap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all like yapping away and Courtney's like.
Speaker 3: Stop stop talking record for you people at home. These
Speaker 3: ladies actually talk in real life. I keep saying, no,
Speaker 3: we only talk when the cameras are rolling. Real relationships
Speaker 3: are stupid souche okay stuff.
Speaker 1: To say such a real life people.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're so wasted in land. What we were saying
Speaker 2: is maybe the fans want to know is death. We
Speaker 2: are going to have our guests back, and you know,
Speaker 2: not just once, and I think it'll be fun. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, I have Vanessa back and we're Josie wouldn't
Speaker 2: get back, and I start to do stuff with Jake.
Speaker 2: We'll get you know, Grant back and all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I think it's great.
Speaker 3: But as we're watching them, we're thinking, oh god, this
Speaker 3: one that's coming up today. We wish Vanessa was back
Speaker 3: to talk about this show. So we're going to look
Speaker 3: ahead and have our friends back more often because it's fun.
Speaker 3: We just saw Doug.
Speaker 2: Do you think you can get it.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be open to that.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I call him, I think you should maybe,
Speaker 2: Well that dog, he's so difficult.
Speaker 3: Oh his Broadway career and all. It was so much
Speaker 3: fun to have him. And you know, I know that
Speaker 3: you guys have now heard the episode with him, but
Speaker 3: I've talked reached out for a lot of my gay
Speaker 3: friends were about my age and talked about what that
Speaker 3: meant to them.
Speaker 2: It meant so much to all of them.
Speaker 3: And we talked about with Doug is that he refused
Speaker 3: to answer whether he was gay or straight in real life,
Speaker 3: and every single friend I've asked about that said it
Speaker 3: meant so much to them because he wasn't distancing himself
Speaker 3: from the gay character, so really impacted people.
Speaker 2: I was really at him to be that age and
Speaker 2: you know, that young and an actor who a young
Speaker 2: actor who needs a job, and it's not like here
Speaker 2: we are in twenty twenty four looking back on that
Speaker 2: era that was happening for the first time, and he
Speaker 2: made the decision to not tell anyone, even when Aaron
Speaker 2: and you know, the network and everyone was encouraging him.
Speaker 2: You know, just say that you're not gay, and it's
Speaker 2: not like now to say that where people have done
Speaker 2: it after him, you know, it's like he was on
Speaker 2: the front lines of that. So yeah, so true.
Speaker 3: I really do to tell you guys something funny. You
Speaker 3: at home weren't in the room, so it's all of
Speaker 3: us in the room with Doug. And it's so funny
Speaker 3: because Laura was so quiet, and it's one of those
Speaker 3: moments when it's like you know too much, like you're like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let them ask questions because you know, everything.
Speaker 2: Was so funny.
Speaker 1: Well it really there was just so quiet. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew that she started and yeah, no, but it
Speaker 1: honestly is his greatest It's the thing that he's most
Speaker 1: proud of the experience of Melrose's Place is that he's
Speaker 1: been able to have that impact and it still is
Speaker 1: something that he hears from people about today. So he yeah,
Speaker 1: he's really proud of that.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. And you know what I'm learning from Melrose's
Speaker 2: Place in general. This first season it really did tackle
Speaker 2: the issues and I think Courtney, as you pointed out,
Speaker 2: you know, it was a first really again, it wasn't
Speaker 2: just turn in to tune out and be entertained and
Speaker 2: in safe topics Melro's Place and Aaron Spelling and Darren
Speaker 2: Starr and the writers really tackled these issues like the
Speaker 2: gay bashing, and you know, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: So I'm really proud and impressed with, proud of and
Speaker 2: impressed with Melo's Place and the creators at that time.
Speaker 2: And I love that Doug stepped right up to that.
Speaker 4: You know, that was real.
Speaker 2: That was so much fun. Cool. He's so fun. Your
Speaker 2: husband's so fun, Laura.
Speaker 1: I think so too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. So cool. Yeah, you loved it.
Speaker 1: So I do think he'll be back. And we are
Speaker 1: getting you know, one more recapped in We're riding around
Speaker 1: the corner from Daphne coming up?
Speaker 3: Are you after this one?
Speaker 2: Fifteen? Daphney's in the next and Hope with your an
Speaker 2: party for Joe.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to but yeah, like I feel
Speaker 1: like this episode, episode fourteen is the first one where
Speaker 1: I started like yelling at the television, which I think
Speaker 1: is a classic experience that Melrose viewers audience members were
Speaker 1: having in subsequent seasons. But this episode is the first
Speaker 1: time I was yelling at the TV, like don't do
Speaker 1: what a stupid choice? Like she was to me, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: but also like I was yelling at Keith, I was
Speaker 1: yet like, let me say yelling, you don't what I mean, like, no,
Speaker 1: what are you doing dude? Or yeah, you know that,
Speaker 1: like that sort of thing, which I think that sort
Speaker 1: of exasperation is indicative of what's down the line. But tonally,
Speaker 1: I just found myself having that experience for the first
Speaker 1: time in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like I think one of you guys made this
Speaker 3: point last time, which is that it started before we
Speaker 3: thought we thought of it. When you guys came on
Speaker 3: and Heather came on that that's when it started to
Speaker 3: get spicy. But it started getting spicy now because this
Speaker 3: is the first time show ended, I really didn't want
Speaker 3: to stop it.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the next episode because I
Speaker 2: was like, what's next.
Speaker 3: I thought you guys started talking about I think the
Speaker 3: last episode that it's starting to get serealized.
Speaker 2: The cliffhanger more cliff well, because Courtney, you keep bringing
Speaker 2: up how badly there was, how badly we were doing,
Speaker 2: and how low the ratings are. So I think the writers,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, there are a lot jobs are
Speaker 2: on the line. They're the success of the shows on
Speaker 2: the line, so they kind of like we're ahead of
Speaker 2: the you know, trying throwing stuff at the stories to
Speaker 2: see what, would you know, tense things up, spice things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really did get it got more exciting. I
Speaker 3: was definitely yelling at the screen at myself, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get started. This one's episode fourteen. The title
Speaker 1: is drawing the line. We open at nighttime at Keith's
Speaker 1: beach house, which the cliffhanger from last episode was will
Speaker 1: she or won't she decided to end things with Keith.
Speaker 1: Allison had gone over to end it in the end
Speaker 1: of episode thirteen, and now it's nighttime. She's on the
Speaker 1: balcony pondering her complicated feelings when Keith comes out and
Speaker 1: she tells him she has never felt so comfortable and loved.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this scene, I remember the scene and I
Speaker 3: just double checked to make sure the director was an editor.
Speaker 3: And I'm not one of those actors who cries really easily,
Speaker 3: like some actors. They just go tears and they pour
Speaker 3: like I have to really work on it. I have
Speaker 3: to listen to a torri Amos sad song for you
Speaker 3: kids out there. Tori Amos was a singing star in
Speaker 3: the nineties and I have to listen to a sad song.
Speaker 3: So I in this opening scene cry all the time
Speaker 3: in this episode. Know how hard this episode was to me,
Speaker 3: But so I get it together and I cry and
Speaker 3: I get it and I'm like, oh my god, that
Speaker 3: you know, the tears starting, like, oh the party of
Speaker 3: your brain is in the scene party of rings, like, oh,
Speaker 3: thank god, the tears are coming. And the director came
Speaker 3: up to me and I was like, oh, thank god
Speaker 3: it he goes, he said, you know what and he
Speaker 3: holds up the script. He goes, it says you cry
Speaker 3: on this line.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Literally, I was like, oh my god, I need to
Speaker 3: back up right now as you can say now, I'm
Speaker 3: sure some people can do it, right Emma Thompson can
Speaker 3: probably cry on that Meryl Streep. I'm sure it can
Speaker 3: have which a tear from which I I'm not that actor.
Speaker 2: But also he was an editor, so he was an editor.
Speaker 3: I literally say this, yeah, it says you cry on
Speaker 3: this line. And I was relieved I wasn't connected to
Speaker 3: the scene because I was crying happy tears. It wasn't
Speaker 3: one of those where you go, oh, I know what
Speaker 3: this is and I have a direct experience I can
Speaker 3: connect to, so.
Speaker 2: I had to.
Speaker 3: I always had something completely fabricated in my mind to
Speaker 3: even get me there.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's like, you know, it's not an acting
Speaker 1: as an art, not a science, and you know, to
Speaker 1: make it happen on a certain line is pretty tall order.
Speaker 3: And that's why I can't some people that answer you guys,
Speaker 3: are you guys like no criers?
Speaker 1: Not like cry on this line?
Speaker 2: No? Whoa I It depends on what you're going through. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there were years where I could like cry, I just
Speaker 2: turned on my mind. Was Cheryl Wheeler or uh, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Just some heartaching.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But it's also hard with your crew standing by
Speaker 1: and the pressure and it's time and it might be
Speaker 1: lunch and whatever. There's a million.
Speaker 3: Also sometimes there's a lot of pressure to the scene. Right,
Speaker 3: I've been really connected to the scene where it literally
Speaker 3: does happen on a line because you're so connected. This
Speaker 3: wasn't that Like when I was rehearsing it on my own,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I got nothing. Yeah, no that's not I
Speaker 3: got nothing. So I have to really fabricate something.
Speaker 2: And then I watched an interview with Sally Field once
Speaker 2: and who I just love and loved her autobiography. But
Speaker 2: she was saying, how you know you use something in
Speaker 2: your own life that was very that's very sad, and
Speaker 2: you just go there and the whole point is that
Speaker 2: you really concentrate on it. She goes, but sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: just Grandma onto the tractor just doesn't work anymore. I'm
Speaker 2: all dry it up. You know, It's like, there does
Speaker 2: become a point where that memory just doesn't It's so.
Speaker 3: True, and you're going to access and you're like, healed.
Speaker 2: I gotta find another trauma if I gonna.
Speaker 1: Keep going, all right, So, speaking of trauma, Alison leaves
Speaker 1: Keith and now she's coming back home to the apartment
Speaker 1: early in the morning. Billy is awake and he's annoyed
Speaker 1: because he says he stayed up late waiting for her.
Speaker 1: And Ellison then tells Billy that Keith is leaving his
Speaker 1: wife for her, plus he's the best in bed. I
Speaker 1: know what you're thinking, she says to him, was that.
Speaker 3: As uncomfortable for all of you?
Speaker 2: That line she.
Speaker 1: Seemed very She was defending herself on a lot of levels,
Speaker 1: and Billy was rightfully annoyed.
Speaker 2: That was a weird line, don't you know anyway?
Speaker 1: Okay, go on, he's the best in bedding and I
Speaker 1: know what you're thinking, which she doesn't necessarily, and then
Speaker 1: she tells Billy that life and love don't come neatly packaged.
Speaker 1: She walks out of the room. Alison is, by the way,
Speaker 1: wearing a red sweater set.
Speaker 2: Here, I'm just saying, yeah, I'm I clocked that too,
Speaker 2: red sweater set. What's she going to do?
Speaker 1: And Billy points out that she sounds like a dysfunctional
Speaker 1: Hallmark card. She says, no, I'm in love and Keith
Speaker 1: is in love with me, so yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Very young, right, I'm in love and that's all that matters,
Speaker 3: and that is a anyway. I'm sure we all want
Speaker 3: to shake Alison at this point.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we just it's going back and forth a law.
Speaker 1: Also, plus Billy is the voice of reason yeah in
Speaker 1: these and you know, and we're like, yeah, Billy, you're
Speaker 1: you're right, he's you know, this is a married man
Speaker 1: and whatever and you've only just met and like he's
Speaker 1: he's the voice of reason and love or not. He's
Speaker 1: also just making sense. So you're we're just rooting for
Speaker 1: Allison and Billy.
Speaker 2: I like the line where you're like, I know what
Speaker 2: you're thinking, I've said this before or whatever, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm actually still working on He's so great in bed.
Speaker 1: I'm like the processing that wordness, I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know Andrew is adorable in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the next scene there's a.
Speaker 2: I cannot see these story not lines without seeing you
Speaker 2: guys just going home and like being totally passionate or hilarious.
Speaker 2: I just can't not see it anymore.
Speaker 3: Corey hold and now awkward. You imagine how awkward that
Speaker 3: was for Billy Moses, Like now we were like out
Speaker 3: as a couple, we're completely a couple, and he's coming in, like,
Speaker 3: let me make out with you in front of your
Speaker 3: actual boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's confusing that Billy Moses, who's the actor
Speaker 1: who's playing Keith, is named Billy, and the character of
Speaker 1: Billy is played by Andrews. So like, even in my
Speaker 1: notes a couple of times I wrote Billy when I
Speaker 1: meant Keith, because it's just a million reasons to stage.
Speaker 1: So anyway, as the next scene is, there's a knock
Speaker 1: on Ronda's apartment door and it reveals and she is
Speaker 1: going to wear a red suit, we might add, and
Speaker 1: she's apparently there to see the apartment. She lays on
Speaker 1: the compliments to Ronda's good taste in decore and her
Speaker 1: great dancer body, and she tells Ronda, Wow, you really
Speaker 1: got it together here. She hads Ronda her resume and
Speaker 1: letters of references, listening to her responsible attributes and she's
Speaker 1: very particular, and she explains to Ronda that she's an
Speaker 1: organizing professional. And Ronda's like, Wow, you sound great and
Speaker 1: clean and you can move in right away.
Speaker 4: You sound amazing.
Speaker 3: And everyone in the world goes, oh, this is not
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is not going to end well.
Speaker 2: But you know, I thought it was really stretched. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys knew her back. I knew
Speaker 2: ray Don a little bit in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 2: and you know, i've seen her more recently, and she's
Speaker 2: so full of life and so you know, joyful and
Speaker 2: open hearted, and I just thought I was wondering if
Speaker 2: this was a stretch for her to be, Like, she's
Speaker 2: like all those callers, and you know, she's a professional organizer,
Speaker 2: like from hell, and I just was.
Speaker 3: Well, that's before it was a thing, right, she was saying,
Speaker 3: I'm an organized a professional, I'm an OP and then
Speaker 3: Ronda says, o B And I thought that's before it
Speaker 3: was a thing like now someone says a professional organizer,
Speaker 3: you know what it is. But I was also thinking
Speaker 3: I will pull my covers a little bit. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that, lazy Susan, that is a very good
Speaker 3: way to do your candidate. Really, you should say my pantry.
Speaker 3: It looked a little bit like that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I have my spices alphabetized.
Speaker 2: I relate to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it looks like it's all going to be
Speaker 1: great between the two, and Ronda's maybe has a new roommate.
Speaker 1: So moving on, Matt is in a meeting with an
Speaker 1: attorney and he's telling her that he was fired for
Speaker 1: discrimination because he's gay.
Speaker 4: And the attorney warns Matt that the.
Speaker 1: Invasion of privacy and pursuing such a lawsuit is tough,
Speaker 1: but she's willing to take the case on contingency, and
Speaker 1: she will also need five thousand dollars for costs upfront,
Speaker 1: So like, if she's taking the case on contingency, she's
Speaker 1: going to do the work without the hourly and sort
Speaker 1: of postpone in her face.
Speaker 3: But just so you know, it's twelve thousand dollars today, right,
Speaker 3: So that just kind of because why he that's a
Speaker 3: five thousands a lot, but twelve thousand dollars is a lot,
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, sure enough his face falls at the mention
Speaker 1: of that needing to come up with that money.
Speaker 3: And we're a little worried because he came in. Doug
Speaker 3: came in so vulnerable, and I just thought, is she
Speaker 3: going to say no? I was relieved when she didn't
Speaker 3: say no, because there was a real concern. He played
Speaker 3: so well the resistance to saying happened, and I felt
Speaker 3: like in his playing, I heard the anticipation of her
Speaker 3: not taking him seriously. She did, but I think because
Speaker 3: if there was a cat well he played it.
Speaker 2: I was nervous with him that she wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we go from there to the courtyard where
Speaker 1: Michael is on a ladder. He's replacing some roof tiles,
Speaker 1: and again we see that very cloudy sky scrim up
Speaker 1: above the building. And while Billy helps and he fills
Speaker 1: in Michael and Jane about Alison being in love with Keith,
Speaker 1: who was apparently ending his marriage for her. Jane is
Speaker 1: appalled and she can't believe Alison would break up someone's marriage.
Speaker 1: She says it's so wrong, and Billy says Alison has changed.
Speaker 4: Michael tells Jane.
Speaker 1: Not to overdramatize, and when Jane calls Alison homewrecker, and
Speaker 1: Jane's like, well, I'm just calling it like I see it.
Speaker 1: Just call him like I see him, she says, and
Speaker 1: she walks away.
Speaker 3: I was so glad that we finally had this real
Speaker 3: conversation that I thought it was sweet in last episode
Speaker 3: when Jane was concerned about Alison, but I also I
Speaker 3: want her to be mad, so I like this felt
Speaker 3: really authentic to me.
Speaker 2: She calls you on it more than one yes, which
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: I think it's great that she's finally having this really
Speaker 3: authentic reaction because you know, especially once you're married, like
Speaker 3: when you're young and saying you don't quite understand what
Speaker 3: it means to break up a marriage, but once you're married,
Speaker 3: you really understand how sacred that bond is.
Speaker 1: Well, Michael, I mean, yeah, he's calling her. Michael, You're
Speaker 1: just being dramatic. Stop calling her a homewrecker and just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of exactly what it is, you know, And
Speaker 1: he's doesn't see it that way.
Speaker 2: He said, he's laying the.
Speaker 3: I think it's fine to have affairs, no offense, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Oh you're so dramatic not being so dramatic about her
Speaker 1: being a homewrecker.
Speaker 2: Didn't you read Esquire it's a normal thing. Wife.
Speaker 1: So then we cut to an outdoor patio restaurant where
Speaker 1: Matt is a new employee. He's learning the ropes and
Speaker 1: wondering how much money he can make it his new
Speaker 1: job when he sees Jake at a table, who teases
Speaker 1: him about his work shirt, and Matt sort of rolls
Speaker 1: society and says, hey, it's a living though. He might
Speaker 1: actually consider heading up his parents for the legal fees
Speaker 1: at this rate, he says, And.
Speaker 2: He's workshirt saying bikini burgers on. Yeah, it's got kind
Speaker 2: of where he's working.
Speaker 3: And I love that Jake is in this scene, but
Speaker 3: I saw him like he's really underused. I know his
Speaker 3: storyline picks up, especially when you come in death, but
Speaker 3: I was like, he's really.
Speaker 2: Like used in these few episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gearing up to come back, but I bet
Speaker 3: he was frustrated.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like also with an ensemble like this,
Speaker 2: what they tend to do is like story heavy a
Speaker 2: few like with his Mom and Sandy, like story heavy,
Speaker 2: and then like you know, Alison's story and Billy story
Speaker 2: heavy right now, and then someone else will be and
Speaker 2: that kind of like what you tend to do throughout
Speaker 2: the season. I mean, that's just what I was because
Speaker 2: I agree, And then I thought, well, he just had,
Speaker 2: you know, some strong episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and he's coming in when you come in
Speaker 3: and hit they really he gets a lot to do.
Speaker 1: So here he's being Matt's number one supporter and he says, well,
Speaker 1: what's stopping you from asking your parents for the money,
Speaker 1: And Matt says, well, my parents don't always follow the
Speaker 1: no strings attached path and Jake asks if they know
Speaker 1: that he's gay. Mats says, yeah, they know, but let's
Speaker 1: just say it's seldom discussed. And then Matt's female coworker
Speaker 1: comes up to Matt and she sort of sides lept
Speaker 1: to him and calls him cutie and lets him know
Speaker 1: that he has a new table, and Jake sort of
Speaker 1: smiles and teases him and said, I think you've got
Speaker 1: an admirer.
Speaker 4: Very cute, And.
Speaker 1: Then we cut to the courtyard where it's pouring rain,
Speaker 1: dumping rain rain in California.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when they did rain in the set?
Speaker 2: They machines and the I don't remember that. I thought,
Speaker 2: that's so weird.
Speaker 3: They bring in the rain machines. It's a huge effect.
Speaker 3: It's hugely expensive and really dramatic, and bring in the
Speaker 3: rain action on rain.
Speaker 1: Very and it's all that episode for a few scenes.
Speaker 2: It's all that pressure too for the actor to get
Speaker 2: it right because it's a total reset. They have to
Speaker 2: dry everything, you know, because just to the fans, I've
Speaker 2: been asked this over the years. Was it a real courtyard?
Speaker 2: Was it outside? No, it's inside, and so all that
Speaker 2: was fake. Yeah, so, and I thought, I saw how
Speaker 2: opportune that Josie has to go check the mail in
Speaker 2: this thunderstorm, like.
Speaker 3: They were really going to use it. They had to
Speaker 3: set up they were really going to use it, but
Speaker 3: all outside.
Speaker 1: But you also know that that that scene where Josie
Speaker 1: had to go check the mail and she runs out
Speaker 1: through the rainy courtyard. We also you also shot Courtney's
Speaker 1: coming home in the rain and Keith running to the
Speaker 1: door in the rain, like all the scenes that take
Speaker 1: place in the rain. They're probably going to use the
Speaker 1: rain all on one day, like the machines there, and
Speaker 1: they're going to shoot all those exterior scenes back to back,
Speaker 1: like get those all done. Get the rain done, you know,
Speaker 1: so that they're non consecutive to the actors and everybody else,
Speaker 1: but just get it done for the sake of the
Speaker 1: machine and the cor Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then once you're inside, they just have a little
Speaker 3: tiny rain machine outside the window. So if you're seeing anysings,
Speaker 3: so then that's much easier once you're inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so pouring rain over the courtyard. Jane exits her
Speaker 1: apartment door and hurries across the courtyard to the mailboxes
Speaker 1: and then under the awning there in the vestibule, Alison
Speaker 1: is coming in from the street, and Jane sort of
Speaker 1: very dully congratulates Allison, saying, yeah, Billy told me the
Speaker 1: good news, and Alison notes that Jane does not sound
Speaker 1: very sincere and she wishes her friends would be happy
Speaker 1: for her, and Jane tries to go back to her apartment,
Speaker 1: but Alison asks her, no, tell me what you really think,
Speaker 1: and Jane says, I don't think you have considered enough
Speaker 1: of this and about the other people involved, And Alison
Speaker 1: thinks Jane has taken the relationship with Keith personally, is
Speaker 1: if she's the one who's losing a husband. Jane says,
Speaker 1: Alison is treating Keith's wife not as a person but
Speaker 1: as an obstacle in her own way, which.
Speaker 2: Is so true.
Speaker 3: And how does Alison not Alison so like dim witted
Speaker 3: in this scene she's blinded by her love's.
Speaker 2: Also, man, she does that whole guilt thing. Well, thanks
Speaker 2: for being a great friend. I mean, how supportive of you.
Speaker 2: It's really a gaslighting little moment for Allison, you know,
Speaker 2: like she says, because Jane doesn't want to tell her
Speaker 2: you remember that. So Jane's like, no, I don't want
Speaker 2: you know whatever, and she's like, no, I want to
Speaker 2: hear how you feel. And then she tells her on
Speaker 2: how she feels honestly, and then she's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: thanks for she punishes her for that, and it's like
Speaker 2: such a kind of common thing that people do when
Speaker 2: they manipulate and they want to still, you know, not
Speaker 2: feel the pain of being making that choice.
Speaker 3: Well, also, it's a very addicty moment. Right, It's like
Speaker 3: she's in this love thing in us. They say new
Speaker 3: love is like cocaine in the brain. And someone saying,
Speaker 3: you know that you're not being realistic about this.
Speaker 2: You just don't want me to be happy. It's like
Speaker 2: so defensive. It's on you. They're putting it on you. Yes,
Speaker 2: so responsibility for that. And you asked someone to be
Speaker 2: honest if you don't want them to be honest, and
Speaker 2: don't ask them to be honest. I want you to
Speaker 2: honestly tell me what I want to hear. I want
Speaker 2: you honestly to tell me how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was not ready to receive it because she's
Speaker 1: offended by it.
Speaker 4: She leaves.
Speaker 1: She exits the vestibule, saying sarcastically, thanks for being such
Speaker 1: a nice and supportive friend.
Speaker 2: And Jane then.
Speaker 1: Follows her out into the reading and says, I thought
Speaker 1: you wanted to be me to be honest, and Alison
Speaker 1: angrily tells Jane that Keith loves me. His leaving his
Speaker 1: wife makes Jane feel insecure about her own marriage, and
Speaker 1: Jane says, no, Alison, if you understood marriage, you'd know
Speaker 1: what comes around goes around. And I think he's going
Speaker 1: to leave you too, So that's how that scene is.
Speaker 1: So Alison enters her apartment. She's still reeling. She's so
Speaker 1: angry from this conversation, and Billy, who's warm and dry,
Speaker 1: suggests take out and she says, not tonight, I have plans,
Speaker 1: And she's angry, pissed and sarcastically says or he sarcastically says, ah,
Speaker 1: it must be love.
Speaker 2: Well because she plans to go back out. And my
Speaker 2: first thought is no, not, you live in la and
Speaker 2: it's pouring. You're not going anywhere because nobody drives.
Speaker 4: In La here.
Speaker 1: But she says, plants, I'm going back.
Speaker 2: Oh, I get to cancel because it's raining because there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a drop. That's how we are
Speaker 2: in La. Oh, you have plants. She's going back out
Speaker 2: in that she's not pouring, but she's in love.
Speaker 1: The phone rings and it's Keith and he's telling Alison
Speaker 1: that he can't make it tonight.
Speaker 4: Something has come up.
Speaker 3: And it's so good because we see the silhouette of
Speaker 3: a woman behind him.
Speaker 1: Even more we see the actual woman moving about the
Speaker 1: room in the background.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's sweated, right, that's what I remember back there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Allison is disappointed, hangs at the phone, and
Speaker 1: she's in the next scene, she's at the window watching
Speaker 1: the rain, sad, while Billy is making some food and
Speaker 1: he is expressing his suspicions of Keith counseling, canceling, and
Speaker 1: Allison says, well, if you don't have something nice to say,
Speaker 1: just shut up. And then all of a sudden, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the old saying? Getos Yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Keith appears at the door in the rain. He runs
Speaker 1: by the window, covering himself from the continuing down for it,
Speaker 1: and he appears at the door and he says that
Speaker 1: his wife has shown up and he's just not sure
Speaker 1: what she wanted. Well, she's your wife, so but anyway.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say that Lily says to him
Speaker 1: that she deserved another chance and the marriage can't end
Speaker 1: this way, and she broke into pieces, and Allison is,
Speaker 1: you know, inviting Keith in get out of the rain,
Speaker 1: and Keith is just telling her the story and he's
Speaker 1: acting like.
Speaker 4: He's the victim in this scenario.
Speaker 3: Si.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she kicked me out of my own house.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, can you believe? I mean, the two of you,
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, she'll probably just burn down,
Speaker 1: burn everything I own, and Alison is so sympathetic, going,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, baby, you poor baby, I know, says well,
Speaker 1: under the circumstances, I couldn't insist on staying, not that
Speaker 1: I wanted to, as if the real problem is that
Speaker 1: he's been kicked out of his house anyway, that's just
Speaker 1: me editorializing again, Okay. And then Alison says, no, you should, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely you should stay here, and Billy's in the background.
Speaker 1: He can hear all of this, and he's completely disgusted
Speaker 1: and annoyed.
Speaker 2: Especially Yes, I love that She's like, not only that
Speaker 2: you should stay here in my tiny apartment with yeah, Lily,
Speaker 2: but it's also and you're pouring and you're sopping wet.
Speaker 2: You can wear something, Billy will.
Speaker 1: Load, you can just you can just borrow some of
Speaker 1: Billy's clothes to wear.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And Keith is just very in time. It's like, all right, thanks, Billy,
Speaker 1: so clueless read the room. Oh my gosh, So this
Speaker 1: is this is the scene that I made that I
Speaker 1: was like yelling at the scene all the you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then as Keith is exited. Billy stops Alison and says, wait,
Speaker 1: we can't harbor a fugitive from a marriage. What if
Speaker 1: the children's wife shows up and kills us all in
Speaker 1: the night. And by the way, there's a third party
Speaker 1: that Alison, you haven't even considered. But Alison is super
Speaker 1: annoyed and says this is temporary, and then we she
Speaker 1: storms away and we see her in the bedroom as we.
Speaker 4: Can hear the shower in the background.
Speaker 1: We see her picking up all of Keith's discarded clothing,
Speaker 1: which he's carelessly dropped all over the floor on his
Speaker 1: way to the shower.
Speaker 3: Which is a red flag, but it's one of so
Speaker 3: many red flags.
Speaker 2: That we don't even know many. I don't even notice
Speaker 2: him anymore, Like everything's red. They're in a red room.
Speaker 2: Whenever he's round, it's just red.
Speaker 1: So and she takes this moment to notice that his
Speaker 1: wallet is there, and she takes a beat to snoop
Speaker 1: inside it and examine a picture of Keith and his
Speaker 1: wife that he keeps in.
Speaker 2: His wallet, and it looks like they're on their honeymoon. Right,
Speaker 2: She's got on.
Speaker 4: A Hawaiian Yeah, some Hawaiian vacation.
Speaker 2: Hawaiian vacation.
Speaker 1: So then Keith comes out of the shower. It doesn't
Speaker 1: appear that he catches her looking at the wallet, but
Speaker 1: he's in his towel and Allison goes to him and
Speaker 1: they kiss, and the minor music that likes kind of
Speaker 1: like it's all in a minder key in the background
Speaker 1: music which has been playing under the scene, it magically
Speaker 1: turns to major as.
Speaker 4: His towel drops to the floor.
Speaker 1: It literally makes like the magic sound of and it
Speaker 1: like resolves in this like magic court and.
Speaker 4: They make out.
Speaker 2: That's weird, they do.
Speaker 1: They make out, well, well, it goes the shot is
Speaker 1: on their feet because he's dropped his towel and it's
Speaker 1: off of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that is now at dinner at his parents' home,
Speaker 1: where he's asking to borrow the five thousand dollars that
Speaker 1: he needs, and when he tells them that it's for
Speaker 1: a loss suit after being fired for being gay, Matt's
Speaker 1: father says, well, I'm not surprised because of the lifestyle
Speaker 1: you have chosen.
Speaker 3: Matt tells him, yeah, and did you notice that fancy
Speaker 3: like fancy that dining room is like it was a
Speaker 3: great way to just sort of establish that he comes
Speaker 3: from a wealthy family, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, did you feel like the dining room setting
Speaker 1: was very similar to like the Billy's when he when
Speaker 1: Billy went home, and it was like kind of a
Speaker 1: formal dining room and there's like one parent one end
Speaker 1: and one parent at the other.
Speaker 2: Was it the same all these rich parents are letting
Speaker 2: their kids live in the West Hollywood cool apartment.
Speaker 3: Billy's parents that aren't wealthy, right, they have a friend.
Speaker 1: But I just felt like the dining room setting and
Speaker 1: like that environment was very similar, like this is how
Speaker 1: it goes, like this is the family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was good. They said a lot in
Speaker 3: that short scene, like the part you just mentioned Laura
Speaker 3: about He says, you know, he's worried when you chose
Speaker 3: this lifestyle and it's not a choice, you don't choose it,
Speaker 3: which is a good way to just sort of.
Speaker 2: Make that point. This isn't I like how they.
Speaker 3: They pepper his scenes with these things, right, They didn't
Speaker 3: have to hit the nail on the head. It's a
Speaker 3: part of the scene, but it makes the most important point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: His father in this scene also says, Matt, I don't
Speaker 1: think you've considered the negative publicity from a lawsuit.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: Matt is saying, well, I think it's worth it, and
Speaker 1: I'll take that chance, but his father says he.
Speaker 4: Can't take that chance.
Speaker 1: Yes, and Matt realizes he's not going to have the
Speaker 1: support of his parents, and he gets up from the table.
Speaker 4: He kisses his mother and he leaves.
Speaker 2: Having not been in this situation, you just really I mean,
Speaker 2: I've heard over the years and my friends have talked
Speaker 2: about it, but how hard it is. This isn't a
Speaker 2: coming out scene. But then what comes after that, you know,
Speaker 2: even if you come out to your parents and your
Speaker 2: family finally, which I know at least in that day
Speaker 2: and earlier, it was very hard, if not impossible, but
Speaker 2: then to get kind of like conditional support, conditional love.
Speaker 2: I mean, but for him, you just feel like, I
Speaker 2: think this really emphasizes how difficult it is like for
Speaker 2: him to assume he's making this life lifestyle choice, for
Speaker 2: him to assume that you know, just who he is,
Speaker 2: I'm not fully supportive. It just makes you really empathize
Speaker 2: with him. You know, we don't have that problem.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing when you when you project this
Speaker 3: thing of it's a consequence of the choice you made.
Speaker 2: It's not a choice, as if if you'd made a
Speaker 2: different choice, you wouldn't be dealing with this. No, because
Speaker 2: this is who he is.
Speaker 1: And Matt says it as if he's had to say
Speaker 1: that a million times before.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right. And the choice do you think I
Speaker 2: would choose this?
Speaker 1: Like it's ard I've said it before, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to say it again.
Speaker 4: It's not a choice, Dad. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then we're back at stormy Melrose Place. Alison is
Speaker 1: waking up naked with Keith also naked beside her in bed,
Speaker 1: and we quickly realize she is dreaming because a third
Speaker 1: person is sitting on the bed next to her, wearing
Speaker 1: a Hawaiian lay.
Speaker 2: Actually, we don't realize she's dreaming quite yet.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well we're hoping because that's freaking weird. It
Speaker 1: looks up there's a third person in there. Yeah, and yep,
Speaker 1: it's the white And here's where it cans even more weird.
Speaker 1: The White Lily describes she starts describing the breakdown of
Speaker 1: her marriage to Keith, and she says, it's all because
Speaker 1: of you, Allison.
Speaker 4: You're responsible, you and you alone, and.
Speaker 3: When she gives her some information that's interesting about I
Speaker 3: was just working.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Like it's very it doesn't feel it sort of dream
Speaker 3: exaggerated things that happened in dreams. It's like she's giving
Speaker 3: her the facts of what it's like.
Speaker 1: It feels a very knowledgeable dream.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. And then well I also the take
Speaker 2: there is a really beat a second that I really
Speaker 2: love Courtney when she goes, oh, and you make him laugh.
Speaker 2: You have a sense of humor in this, and and
Speaker 2: then there's a shot off Alison. She's like, well, it
Speaker 2: is her own dream, like you know, the wife complimenting
Speaker 2: her hilarious and she heard a little bit of what
Speaker 2: she needed to hear.
Speaker 3: Dream I love it true.
Speaker 1: But she she wakes up with a flash of lightning.
Speaker 1: She wakes up horrified, and Keith, of course, is sleeping
Speaker 1: soundly next to her. So then in the morning, Ronda
Speaker 1: is in her kitchen. She's looking through her beautifully organized cabinets,
Speaker 1: though she can't seem to find her own vitamins because
Speaker 1: Carrie seems to have moved them, and she soon learns
Speaker 1: that Carrie has alphabetized the kitchen pantry items and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, purchased a new kitchen caddy, which she demonstrates.
Speaker 4: To her much like Van of Whitewood. And it goes
Speaker 4: like this, and it's.
Speaker 3: Very funny because she's saying, like the new model is better,
Speaker 3: this is last year's model.
Speaker 2: Specific it's just.
Speaker 1: A lot for a plastic kitchen caddy. And Ronda is
Speaker 1: not so sure.
Speaker 2: Partey, I'm waiting for you to say, well, duh, I
Speaker 2: appetize my kitchen doesn't.
Speaker 3: Ever I realized no, I realized I jumped the gun
Speaker 3: because I said that in the first thing. And this
Speaker 3: is the scene where you see it. But I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: just say thank you.
Speaker 1: So in Billy and Allison's apartment, Keith enters the room
Speaker 1: an overalls wearing. Billy comments to Alison, all looks like
Speaker 1: with no shirt.
Speaker 2: Underneath, with no shirt but if over to kind of
Speaker 2: cover the bare arms.
Speaker 3: Thing like Andrew never cared. He's like with a israella.
Speaker 3: He put it on, he went and did his job.
Speaker 3: He never had any opinion, he didn't care.
Speaker 2: It was a weird thing. Did guys wear with no
Speaker 2: shirt on underneath?
Speaker 1: And then I have a feeling. I think it's seem
Speaker 1: like sometimes you come out in wardrobe and they're like yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this one's not working. So they quickly make an adjustment,
Speaker 1: like maybe the whole wardrobe choice was the overalls with
Speaker 1: no sh and then that the flannel over it was
Speaker 1: an afterthought like yeah, this doesn't look good.
Speaker 4: Oh just throw a shirt on.
Speaker 1: Over, you know, like that was the fix, and it
Speaker 1: just was one more weird thing. It was weird, it
Speaker 1: was weird, got weirder. But he's commenting to Alison, looks
Speaker 1: like somebody didn't get enough to sleep last night, and
Speaker 1: Allison can't seem to stop smiling just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: And then when Keith enters kissing Allison and acting like
Speaker 1: Billy is the one infringing on his space, he says
Speaker 1: to Alison, you know, Allison, we just need to get
Speaker 1: away from it all, and throws a glance at Billy
Speaker 1: like meaning this guy from.
Speaker 3: And that's where they say, what do you need and
Speaker 3: Billy goes thicker walls.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, like some more comments about them having
Speaker 1: and then so right in front of Billy, Keith and
Speaker 1: Allison make a plan to go on a camping getaway,
Speaker 1: and Keith leaves the apartment and Billy reminds Alison, you
Speaker 1: don't even like camping, but he very magnanimously says, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm happy for you, Allison. Then Alison tells Billy
Speaker 1: about her dream and she admits that the dream made
Speaker 1: her feel guilty and she feels like she has to
Speaker 1: see Keith's wife in person, and Billy doesn't think that's
Speaker 1: such a great idea, but off she goes to do that.
Speaker 3: It actually is good. How they bit by bit by
Speaker 3: bit show Alison coming to the realization late, but she's
Speaker 3: coming to it that this is a real person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at his ex wife. And I think Jane said it
Speaker 3: at one point. You know, she's not just an obstacle,
Speaker 3: She's a person. I think it's finally connecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alice, and it's it's really entered her conscience too,
Speaker 1: at her subconscience standard she's dreaming about it, and now
Speaker 1: she's like, nope, I gotta yeah.
Speaker 3: Because the dream wife was so nice and complimentary. Really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So she goes and sees her off.
Speaker 1: She goes, but so we see her in a steakout,
Speaker 1: like literally outside the house in her car like a
Speaker 1: steak out, and she's watching as Lily in a bathroom
Speaker 1: is picking up her newspaper outside and Lily turns and
Speaker 1: notices this car and this woman inside watching from the car, and.
Speaker 3: She, Lily in her silk slipper, towered her silk like lady,
Speaker 3: she walks straight at her.
Speaker 2: The sorry, the the She had a floral silk, kind
Speaker 2: of very feminine womanly bath robe compared to Alison's big, fluffy,
Speaker 2: light blue one with the moon in the back.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but it looked like what my grandma wore,
Speaker 3: sort of formal slippers, Like they're not at least slinky, toady,
Speaker 3: flinty toad white silk slippers did not look comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Is it meant to garner like sort of sympathy
Speaker 1: for like, oh, this nice lady, This must be a
Speaker 1: nice lady who wears a robe and slippers.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems strangely old to me. Maybe she's the grown
Speaker 3: up one and I'm the little girl. But I know
Speaker 3: this is about Alison coming to the realization and stalking
Speaker 3: and everything. But I noticed, is my hair looks good?
Speaker 3: That's what I noticed.
Speaker 2: Something. You know what I noticed? I noticed your eyeline.
Speaker 2: You're not even hiding, You're like right there in front
Speaker 2: of her. And I'm like, if you're gonna spy on someone,
Speaker 2: pull back and behind a bush, maybe, but you're just
Speaker 2: why she looks right at you, and you're like, I
Speaker 2: thought I was.
Speaker 3: Going to go talk to her and then I chickened out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I do feel like this is the episode where
Speaker 3: I stopped scrunching my hair and started brushing it out
Speaker 3: while I was drawing it.
Speaker 2: So that's what this episode's about to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your hair, because I'm very deep.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, no, those things matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see the wife, your hair better look good.
Speaker 3: That's a good play.
Speaker 2: She do want to look good for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if you're not, if you're gonna chicken out
Speaker 1: and drive away, exactly.
Speaker 4: I think a lady with very.
Speaker 1: Nice hair came to look at me today in the driveway.
Speaker 1: So Allison and Jane now next are in the laundry room.
Speaker 1: Jane is obviously still not feeling very warm and fuzzy
Speaker 1: towards Alison, and Allison says, Jane, what is your problem?
Speaker 1: And Jane says, you know, I just can't pretend to
Speaker 1: like what you're doing Allison, and Allison says, and she
Speaker 1: says Alison should have bailed the second she found out
Speaker 1: that Keith was married. She says, the toughest thing in
Speaker 1: a marriage is keeping a commitment. It doesn't look like
Speaker 1: Keith can do that, and Jane says, however, our friendship
Speaker 1: is important to me, and I'm just worried that you're
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3: I also, I don't think that's accurate. The toughest thing
Speaker 3: in a marriage is keeping the commitment, right, Like, there
Speaker 3: are either one thing about a marriage.
Speaker 2: But what I noticed in this scene was because I'm
Speaker 2: really interested into this friend dynamic, was you know, Jane
Speaker 2: says how she's feeling, and then Alison says, well, who
Speaker 2: asked you? I'm like, you did dummy asking her? I'm
Speaker 2: asking her. Yes, It's like, it's just so interesting. We
Speaker 2: do that with our our friends, you know what we
Speaker 2: really want to hear.
Speaker 3: Think, Well, it's that thing of I love that you're
Speaker 3: bringing this up, Jephney. It's it's your job is to
Speaker 3: support me. It's like, not when I know you're making
Speaker 3: a mistake, right, It's the same thing I was talking
Speaker 3: about about the addicts, right, Like, I'm worried about your drinking.
Speaker 2: How dare you?
Speaker 3: Instead of hearing that someone's worried and they're saying I'm
Speaker 3: worried about this relationship for you.
Speaker 2: You're going to get hurt.
Speaker 3: Also, I disagree with what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's morally right.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the scene, Allison's going
Speaker 3: camping and Jaying goes leave your merit badges at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, constantly line.
Speaker 1: Pointing out like this is. Yeah, it's not the most
Speaker 1: upstanding thing you've ever done. And I love you and
Speaker 1: I still care about you. I just think you were
Speaker 1: making lots of mistakes and I don't want to see
Speaker 1: you get hurt. So I also like that she ends
Speaker 1: this scene by saying, I just don't want to see
Speaker 1: you get.
Speaker 4: Hurt, and I do care about this friendship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's why I'm telling you this, and sorry
Speaker 1: it hurts.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also, we shouldn't support our friends no matter what,
Speaker 3: if they do something that we really think is a
Speaker 3: mistake or morally reprehensible, or or.
Speaker 2: Even lushit reprehend the truth.
Speaker 3: You don't have to withdraw your love, but it's important
Speaker 3: to be able to be authentic and say I don't
Speaker 3: agree with what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Right, I agree with what you're saying Courtney about friend
Speaker 2: It's not agreed, that's why you're a friend.
Speaker 1: We're back to the lawyer's office where Matt is coming
Speaker 1: in and he's got a piece paper he's handing over
Speaker 1: the pink slip to his car to the attorney is collateral,
Speaker 1: and Matt is telling the attorney passionately and vehemently, I
Speaker 1: know that it's not the five thousand dollars you ask for,
Speaker 1: but I desperately want to pursue this case so that
Speaker 1: the next gay person that comes along doesn't lose their
Speaker 1: job and have the same experience.
Speaker 4: I really want this to stop here.
Speaker 1: And the lawyer, whose name is apparently Sarah, is very
Speaker 1: moved by his passion, and she says, you know what,
Speaker 1: Matt Keith the pink slip, you're going to need it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this case, and Matt, you're going
Speaker 1: to need to dig in and get involved, and she
Speaker 1: says she'll get the firm to do it pro bono.
Speaker 1: She's very motivated to help him, and also she reveals
Speaker 1: that she's motivated to make a name for herself, since
Speaker 1: she says this is likely to stir up a lot
Speaker 1: of publicity, at which time Matt says, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in the publicity, and she says, well, it goes
Speaker 1: with the territory, and Matt looks a little bit sick
Speaker 1: to a stomach. It's kind of what his dad was
Speaker 1: commenting on and she's now saying it too, so he's
Speaker 1: realizing maybe what he's in for, and you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of dread. And now we're cut to Ronda,
Speaker 1: who's coming home from work. She's finding plastic runners all
Speaker 1: over the carpets throughout her apartment, and not only that
Speaker 1: that weirdness, but she finds her own closet empty, filled
Speaker 1: with empty hangers. Carrie appears explaining with a smile that
Speaker 1: all of Ronda's clothes are at the very best Beverly
Speaker 1: Hill Strike cleaner, and her shoes all have deodorizeds in them.
Speaker 1: Super weird, but she's super pleased with herself about it.
Speaker 1: And Ronda is exactly the opposite of pleased, and she
Speaker 1: tells Carrie that you do not need to be so
Speaker 1: tidy with my things, and eza, babe, Carrie says, I
Speaker 1: was just trying to be helpful. And it's a very
Speaker 1: sort of passive, aggressive and loaded exchange between these two.
Speaker 1: Carrie says, I understand when to stop, and Ronda says, good.
Speaker 3: This reminds me of we used to sing the soul
Speaker 3: remember that song from Free to You and Me. Some
Speaker 3: kind of help is the kind of help that helping
Speaker 3: we all could do with all, But some kind of
Speaker 3: help is the kind of help we all could do without. Yep,
Speaker 3: people who are overly helpful? What's that great saying? Unasked
Speaker 3: for advice is always criticism, which is sounds.
Speaker 2: Like a code of an anonymous meeting, which I should
Speaker 2: be in code of. Like all I do is I
Speaker 2: just I get. I'm like, God, if she'd only listen
Speaker 2: to me, her whole life would be fixed. No, God,
Speaker 2: if he would just do this in fact, I just
Speaker 2: say it. And it's like, then I think of that
Speaker 2: thing that there's a saying like, only give advice when
Speaker 2: it's asked for, And I'm like, unsolicited advice, that's what it?
Speaker 2: Solicited advice? Yeah, I think just if you see someone
Speaker 2: that could do better, let him know how.
Speaker 3: Well you know it's a better way to do it,
Speaker 3: which might be a middle ground for you. Sweet you
Speaker 3: can say would you like to hear what I think? Okay,
Speaker 3: but then there's a fifty to fifty But then if
Speaker 3: they say no, you can't say okay.
Speaker 2: Point taken. So here's my point. I feel. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the hard part.
Speaker 3: That's the hard part. But this is boundaries. This is
Speaker 3: very advanced. We weren't even talking about boundaries then. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but ahead of its time again Melroy's Place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ahead of its time.
Speaker 1: But the dynamic between Carrie and Ronda is starting to deteriorate,
Speaker 1: and it's surprising to all of us. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: we cut to Keith and Allison on their camping trip.
Speaker 1: There around the campfire, and Keith is talking about their
Speaker 1: future together, starting with Alison needs to move out of
Speaker 1: her apartment complex, get away from this Billy the kid.
Speaker 2: He's just a kid.
Speaker 4: He's just a kid.
Speaker 1: And Keith says they should move in together once this
Speaker 1: business with his wife is settled. And I have shatted
Speaker 1: something at this moment, and then Alison is then she.
Speaker 4: Asks him, well, how did you and Lily meet?
Speaker 1: And she learns that they had met in high school
Speaker 1: they've been together since then, but that he was feeling
Speaker 1: stifled by the stability and he has now found happiness
Speaker 1: with Allison.
Speaker 3: It's like and Alison better not get stable Keith.
Speaker 1: Keith says it will be tough, though, to tell his
Speaker 1: own parents, since.
Speaker 4: They are very role model perfect parents.
Speaker 1: They've been together, married for forty years. And when he
Speaker 1: asks Alison about her parents, she says her parents were ordinary,
Speaker 1: her problems never stemmed from too much stability.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a very interesting answer.
Speaker 1: Keith wants to know more about that. Allison says she
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to bore him with the details. We
Speaker 1: can tell there's way more under their stuff that she's
Speaker 1: keeping from him, and she doesn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And when Keith suggests the midnight hike, Allison says maybe later.
Speaker 4: She was very lost in thought.
Speaker 2: Who wants to get out of her? Who wants to
Speaker 2: go for midnight hike? Has anyone heard of that?
Speaker 1: I mean he said it would be romantic, and didn't
Speaker 1: he say it would also be harry?
Speaker 3: So, out of all we know about Keith, daphneys this
Speaker 3: is the thing that really bothers you about him.
Speaker 2: She's like, this is.
Speaker 3: Where I drop a lot?
Speaker 2: Are you an idiot? Read the room? I'm cozy, I
Speaker 2: have a mug of coffee and hot chocolate, which you idiot?
Speaker 2: I'm out a little fair thing.
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. But wait, there's more, because in the morning,
Speaker 1: Keith comes, and the hunter gatherer that he is, he
Speaker 1: comes and he brings Alison a fresh trout for breakfast,
Speaker 1: and she's very nice.
Speaker 3: Who doesn't want a fresh trout out of the midnight hike?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's starting to look like bad news.
Speaker 1: Not only is she uncomfortable with the idea of eating
Speaker 1: trout for breakfast, but she looks also very uncomfortable when
Speaker 1: he touches her and she sort of moves away, and
Speaker 1: she says she doesn't feel well, telling Keith that she
Speaker 1: thinks she should just go home. Keith is very confused,
Speaker 1: but he agrees to take her home. So she's obviously
Speaker 1: spent a very bad night thinking about all this and
Speaker 1: having serious second thoughts. So then we're in Ronda's apartment
Speaker 1: where she's making a very elaborate breakfast. Carrie enters, saying, oh,
Speaker 1: smells delicious. Ronda tells her sit down, relax and enjoy.
Speaker 1: Don't lift a finger.
Speaker 4: I got this.
Speaker 1: Carrie notices immediately that Ronda has used one of her
Speaker 1: super special pants cooking pants.
Speaker 3: Copper pants, and those of you at home who know
Speaker 3: what copper pans are.
Speaker 1: Very super special, and she pops right up to get
Speaker 1: it soaking. Ronda stops her very firmly and tells her
Speaker 1: sit back down.
Speaker 2: I got this, I will clean it.
Speaker 1: And so for the rest of the scene, Carrie can
Speaker 1: hardly restrain herself from jumping up and cleaning her pant.
Speaker 2: There's this wonderful shot to emphasize it that it's in
Speaker 2: the foreground. This pan is on the island in the foreground,
Speaker 2: and you see Carrie.
Speaker 1: Him back, just staring at it, can't stop looking at
Speaker 1: this pant.
Speaker 2: Clean this.
Speaker 1: I thought she was brilliant in this scene. I mean,
Speaker 1: the character is ridiculous and obnoxious and dopey and whatever,
Speaker 1: but she totally dove in and I thought was so
Speaker 1: funny on the connection she had with like, I have
Speaker 1: to clean that parent round like she could. She couldn't
Speaker 1: stop herself from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vanessa and ray Dawn played against each other so well.
Speaker 3: This was and it was really this was well done
Speaker 3: because of this very intense storyline with Keith wants to
Speaker 3: take Alison on a midnight hike god forbid, and these
Speaker 3: two women. It was such good comic relief, so funny,
Speaker 3: You're whole funny together.
Speaker 1: So good and and Carrie's trying to like distract herself
Speaker 1: by babbling on about oh, you know, I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to do anything to jeopardize our relationship. Wow, good roommates
Speaker 1: are so hard to find. But she's like manic and
Speaker 1: she can't stop looking at her beloved pan.
Speaker 3: I got to say, I feel that way every time
Speaker 3: Jack takes out a metal spatula with my nonstick cookwear,
Speaker 3: like no, well.
Speaker 1: That's yeah kind of critical, or like cutting anything but
Speaker 1: fabric with my fabric scissors, don't.
Speaker 3: Do it, just telling you right now only fabric people.
Speaker 2: Well, are you guys? So I'm of the philosophy of
Speaker 2: clean as you go when you cook dinner. Her husband isn't.
Speaker 2: He's changed, he's adounded. But some people are like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to cook now, clean after we eat, and
Speaker 2: I it's like no, because then we have a whole
Speaker 2: sink full of dishes dirty to do after I enjoy dinner.
Speaker 2: Or are you with this? Guys?
Speaker 3: Do you clean as you cook or do you just cook?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 3: I do, but if there's a lot of stuff happening,
Speaker 3: then just the cooking is the most important thing. So
Speaker 3: you get everything done and ready and everything done at
Speaker 3: the same time, like at a big dinner party last
Speaker 3: week and.
Speaker 2: Were you were you there, Laura, I wasn't there. I
Speaker 2: must have lost that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been inviting years.
Speaker 2: I won't even hear it.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to get you guys here. I wish
Speaker 3: you were here.
Speaker 1: You keep saying you've been inviting us for thirty Look
Speaker 1: back through my inbox.
Speaker 3: I'm getting I yes, I may not have actual dates,
Speaker 3: and we are going to do it. And then you
Speaker 3: guys don't judge me for not cleaning as they go
Speaker 3: because at the end, the most important thing is getting
Speaker 3: everything out at the same time. So I won't stop
Speaker 3: to clean something if I'm getting everything out at the
Speaker 3: same time, because that's.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be in the kitchen and cleaning right behind you.
Speaker 2: Will Will you invite me then if I clean?
Speaker 1: I also think one of the unspoken rules is like
Speaker 1: if if you cooked it, other people should be helping
Speaker 1: you clean it. Like whether it happens during or.
Speaker 2: After, that's just the rules. But yeah, well, you guys
Speaker 2: cook for kids and family and stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, and apparently Courtney cooks for many people at
Speaker 1: her dinner parties that we have, the parties that we
Speaker 1: don't go to but I will bring my wooden utensils
Speaker 1: if you invite me the next time.
Speaker 3: All Right, I'm taking that.
Speaker 2: I'm taking that. We'll stop guilting her.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to get everybody together. But maybe that's silly.
Speaker 3: That's I should learn my lesson.
Speaker 2: That's impossible. Well, who are your real friends? Who's here?
Speaker 2: You guys?
Speaker 3: Obviously that's it.
Speaker 2: It's done. Get ready to carry all right.
Speaker 1: So Billy is at home and he's writing when Alison
Speaker 1: returns home from a camping trip and the rain has
Speaker 1: stopped by the way, and she wonders aloud, what is
Speaker 1: wrong with me? I'm She's so confused, she says, because
Speaker 1: now her relationship with Keith just feels so wrong, and
Speaker 1: Billy thinks Alison falls in love with people who are unattainable,
Speaker 1: then loses interest in them when she gets what she wants.
Speaker 1: Allison says, that's not it, and she doesn't believe that
Speaker 1: that's it, and then she reveals to Billy the backstory
Speaker 1: with her parents that she was unwilling to share with Keith.
Speaker 2: She tells me, I liked how Billy. Sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 2: but I really liked this scene. I watched this episode
Speaker 2: twice and because I'm a good be plus student, but
Speaker 2: I really liked how he I think Andrew was a
Speaker 2: good listener. It's hard to listen in scenes. I think
Speaker 2: he was a good listener in this scene as an
Speaker 2: actor because you had most of the dialogue and very
Speaker 2: sort of really revealing stuff as Alison. But I also
Speaker 2: like how he's your you know, they have a lot
Speaker 2: of banter and a lot of like this, but he listened.
Speaker 2: You really open up to him in this, you know,
Speaker 2: and you're about what Laura will tell us, what you say.
Speaker 2: But I just really liked the scene. It was a
Speaker 2: very solid kind of scene that would move the relationship forward, not.
Speaker 1: Just a banter thing.
Speaker 3: It's the first time Alison talks about her parents' relationships
Speaker 3: and she says that her father cheated on her mother,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's just took forever to get here.
Speaker 3: But this is when I was yelling at this girl.
Speaker 3: It was like, finally she finally is able to put
Speaker 3: herself in her mother's shoes.
Speaker 2: And feel realized that, yeah, it realizes that you're the
Speaker 2: other woman and what you're revealing is that your father
Speaker 2: had affairs with these other women. And what I love
Speaker 2: about it is that you say, as a little girl,
Speaker 2: you always like idolized and fantasized and projected onto these
Speaker 2: women because they got all of his attention. So classic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a good, pretty deep for Melrose,
Speaker 3: right like they really it was really I really like
Speaker 3: this scene too, and I agree.
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Andrew did a great job and the connection got deeper.
Speaker 1: It was very very grounded and a very supportive and
Speaker 1: good listener everything he said, yes, And that's that's when
Speaker 1: she reveals that to him. She realizes that she is
Speaker 1: the other woman and she doesn't like what she sees.
Speaker 1: Then she goes to the beach house. She is arriving
Speaker 1: to tell Keith that she wants to end it. She's
Speaker 1: arriving to say, Keith, we need to talk and I
Speaker 1: can't see you anymore. And then she says, I need
Speaker 1: to feel right about myself. Keith says, because he's a
Speaker 1: selfish idiot, that he shouldn't have told her he was
Speaker 1: leaving his wife. Alison says, that's not it, that being
Speaker 1: your mistress wouldn't have been any better, and that although
Speaker 1: being with Keith scares her, being without him scares her
Speaker 1: even more, and Keith against says, well, what about me? Basically,
Speaker 1: you know, because if we break up, I'm not going
Speaker 1: back to Lily, And Allison says it's your business and goodbye,
Speaker 1: and she starts to walk away, at which time Keith
Speaker 1: grabs her arm very hard and living room and it
Speaker 1: hurts and it's firm, and she he calls her selfish
Speaker 1: and he yells at her that if you can't make
Speaker 1: it work with me, you're not going to be with
Speaker 1: be able to make it work with anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a real clue to what's coming right right,
Speaker 2: like he snaps, and rich, by the way, just taking
Speaker 2: a poll among you ladies, how many times have you
Speaker 2: broken up with somebody and they've said something that.
Speaker 3: I was like, I've been in that moment, like where
Speaker 3: someone said good luck finding someone better than me, and
Speaker 3: like I feel pread about it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think odds are pretty good here for
Speaker 1: Allison that she's gonna yeah, because angry womanizing narciss sister
Speaker 1: are not you know, the easiest people to live with.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think she's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She manages to free her arm, and she says, well,
Speaker 1: at least I'll be a to live with myself. And
Speaker 1: she's able to leave, escaping him, and I'm screaming, please run, Allison.
Speaker 3: I was just like, finally I did feel this moment
Speaker 3: of victory for her.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, well that was hard one.
Speaker 1: But she said all the things to say, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I got it. She's yeah, and we're just so relieved
Speaker 1: for her that she's getting herself exactly. Then we see Ronda.
Speaker 1: She's napping on her couch and she wakes up to
Speaker 1: Carrie holding her copper pant directly in front of Randa's face,
Speaker 1: and Carrie angrily is showing her a spot that she
Speaker 1: missed cleaning the pan. There's some egg on here, and
Speaker 1: Ronna calls Carrie a nut, and Carrie then calls Rnda
Speaker 1: a slob, and Ronda says, Carrie, this is not working
Speaker 1: out and you need to find another place.
Speaker 3: To live, which is kind of a bummer because they're
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 1: Together, such a funny dynamics.
Speaker 3: Too bad this couldn't have been more of an ARC
Speaker 3: because really, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she may come back, wants to come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to tune in and find out.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Just like your arm grabby married man might come. He
Speaker 2: might just stops on people and doesn't mean it's over.
Speaker 1: But here we are at the final scene of this
Speaker 1: episode where Allison is crossing the courtyard.
Speaker 4: She's entering her apartment, and.
Speaker 1: She tells Billy, who's yet again there on the couch,
Speaker 1: that he should fire up the hot chocolate because leaving
Speaker 1: Keith was the hardest thing she's ever done. And here
Speaker 1: again he's super genuine and grounded and sympathetic and he
Speaker 1: Allison begins to cry and Billy comes and he holds
Speaker 1: her at the door while she cries, and the episode
Speaker 1: ends on them.
Speaker 3: That was very sweet.
Speaker 2: I like that ending and it was just a sweet
Speaker 2: hug at the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, really loving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's episode fourteen, People, Episode fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, things are really kicking up. It's really fun.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 4: We have we have a couple of fan questions.
Speaker 2: Well, they just asked for pictures. We didn't have cell
Speaker 2: phones back then, so it would have to mean like
Speaker 2: find something from the company, or when someone came on
Speaker 2: to do interviews, there might be some video. You know,
Speaker 2: I know MTV a lot of people have come on
Speaker 2: to interview us, but it's not like you could just
Speaker 2: whip out. I do have some of us set.
Speaker 3: I remember taking pictures on set. I remember bringing pictures
Speaker 3: of my dogs, shocking, I know to all who know me.
Speaker 3: I remember bringing pictures of my dogs to show people
Speaker 3: on set, polaroids. I remember carrying polars around making you
Speaker 3: all look at my dog pictures, which all that has
Speaker 3: not changed, different dogs, but I'm still trying to make I.
Speaker 2: Do have one a couple of behind the scenes it's
Speaker 2: not of an episode that doesn't happen for another I
Speaker 2: don't know three yeah fo years.
Speaker 1: I have very few and far between actual photographs because
Speaker 1: there were no cell phone cameras at the time, it
Speaker 1: wasn't as easy to have them. But the ones that
Speaker 1: I have are for much later episodes than we will
Speaker 1: definitely share them when it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of closer to the lasts. Yeah, and we we liked.
Speaker 1: And some of the you know, some of the magazine
Speaker 1: shoots and stuff, those are our kind of our behind
Speaker 1: the scenes too, because that was going on on the
Speaker 1: side or on the weekends for us while we were shooting.
Speaker 1: One other little sort of statistic is that the credits
Speaker 1: in episode fourteen were the shortest they will ever be,
Speaker 1: with only seven regular characters names mentioned, right, right, because
Speaker 1: one short Now that Sandy's character has left and we're.
Speaker 3: Not the first. Daphne starts next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, But do you guys notice how long.
Speaker 3: The credits are because there was more time, Like now,
Speaker 3: you don't even have credits. They show the title of
Speaker 3: the show and you go into it. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: really The credits were probably thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: And they were great.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're watching this. I'm watching this every week
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and it always says skip intro
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I don't want to. I love
Speaker 2: that open on the show. Yeah, the song is great,
Speaker 2: and I love that Sean's kind of grainy of Melrose.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see yours because they must have
Speaker 3: tried to match the feel of the other one. I
Speaker 3: guess you probably will turn into camera. I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah they did that. I do remember. I know there's
Speaker 2: one of me walking with you guys, so I think
Speaker 2: that we at some point did some of us walking.
Speaker 3: Yes, so you came on as a regular, yes, right,
Speaker 3: a regular? And then Laura when you came on, did
Speaker 3: you come on as a guest star and then they
Speaker 3: expanded it to regular or did you know.
Speaker 1: You're right, I came on as a guest star. So
Speaker 1: that's that brings up an interesting point. And I love
Speaker 1: that the fan who brought this statistic to our attention
Speaker 1: noticed this, and I know that fans also noticed through
Speaker 1: the course of the seasons when the Amanda character was
Speaker 1: Heather was credited as a special guest star, not as
Speaker 1: not in the same sort of yes to your question,
Speaker 1: Sidney came in as a guest only, and so I
Speaker 1: was not credited in the opening credits until I can't
Speaker 1: remember if it's sometime in season two, and then they
Speaker 1: folded me in and they didn't do like the walking
Speaker 1: and whatever. I think they just stole shots, turning scenes,
Speaker 1: turning over whatever like, and then they just folded it
Speaker 1: in and built new credit sequences because don't you remember,
Speaker 1: like in the later seasons, we didn't shoot credit sequences
Speaker 1: they and that all just.
Speaker 2: I think is contract related. So what you're talking about
Speaker 2: is contract related. You know you have said, and also
Speaker 2: Marcia has said that you guys came in as arcs,
Speaker 2: so they didn't have you as regular and they didn't
Speaker 2: to expand it, they would add you later, but it's
Speaker 2: a it's a contract thing to say. And you know,
Speaker 2: like I've had in my contract either alphabetical, which I
Speaker 2: think the show is, and then Meloy's places, and then
Speaker 2: and as is. You know, it's every job in your career,
Speaker 2: every job is. It's what the lawyers work out and
Speaker 2: the agents work out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the standpoint I had to pick it
Speaker 3: had there got to be whatever she wanted to. If
Speaker 3: he was you're still a guest star, it's because that's
Speaker 3: what she wanted to, because she had her own card
Speaker 3: at the end. It was special guest Star, and she
Speaker 3: picked it because she's a super smart business woman.
Speaker 1: And the fan pointed out that, yeah, that you get
Speaker 1: at some point in later seasons they had as many
Speaker 1: as thirteen regular characters upfront. So this is the fewest
Speaker 1: in episode fourteen season one with only seven, and there
Speaker 1: was as many as thirteen down the line.
Speaker 3: I hope thank doing this when we do season six
Speaker 3: and seven that we weren't in, because then we'll really.
Speaker 2: Be who are these people? So many away?
Speaker 3: Come explain it to us what happened.
Speaker 2: We're gonna constantly have all these guests on, but uh,
Speaker 2: I mean most shows this these days are so fewer episodes,
Speaker 2: like we have thirty a.
Speaker 3: Year, right, and so more than thirty busy at least
Speaker 3: thirty two or thirty four, thirty two.
Speaker 2: Something like that, thirty two, thirty four, so like do
Speaker 2: the whole lucky.
Speaker 1: It's so many that we don't win. No, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't even know. All right, well, we're very right to
Speaker 1: have gotten all the way to episode fifteen, which is
Speaker 1: our next weekap and that will be our next episode
Speaker 1: of Still the Place.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to download and come to really come and
Speaker 2: watch and listen to the podcast it's and watch the
Speaker 2: show if you can, especially next week, because I come to.
Speaker 3: Know what people keep telling to me, which is true.
Speaker 3: They keep saying it just sounds like you guys are
Speaker 3: having fun. We're genuinely having funs because.
Speaker 2: We will see you guys next week. I'll be on
Speaker 2: the hot seat and have to watch myself, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure I'm gonna have a lot of chrism because i
Speaker 2: haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: So but remember you're coming next week, but then you're
Speaker 1: here to stay. It's not like you're you know, we
Speaker 1: get to have you every week.
Speaker 2: Now, I know but it's like Forty's been saying, like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna see all. My voice is so high
Speaker 2: and the criticisn't coming to do it, so we'll see
Speaker 2: you might or you might say, wow, I nailed it.
Speaker 1: We'll step all so well, We will see you all
Speaker 1: next week.
Speaker 2: Here on still the bye everyone, guys.
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