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Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and an Ian

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight

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Speaker 1: five five five six and now running. My father always

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Speaker 1: There's only an old customer that came from somewhere else

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Speaker 1: because they didn't think they were treated correctly or satisfactorily,

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Speaker 1: and they were frustrated, and you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: iceberg in terms of what's right and what's wrong. But

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Speaker 1: They said, Look, I said, I think you know you

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Speaker 1: saying not too It might be the best education you

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Speaker 1: could get. But what I would do is I would

428
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Speaker 1: get my hands on there is a you know, get

429
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Speaker 1: yourself on. You know, I'm assuming you've got some repair

430
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Speaker 1: information you can get into a verification test. Do you

431
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Speaker 1: have any all data or Mitchell or anything, you know.

432
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Speaker 1: I do actually have the factory O E M Shop manuals.

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Speaker 1: I managed to find those on a made a couple

434
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Speaker 1: of years ago a pretty good price. Okay, So you

435
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Speaker 1: know you want to go in and you want to

436
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Speaker 1: look for h v A C calibration procedure and and

437
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Speaker 1: and read up on that. And they're gonna talk about

438
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Speaker 1: they're gonna you're gonna learn a whole lot of abbreviations.

439
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Speaker 1: Are gonna talk about the SCREAM, the PCM, the f

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Speaker 1: CM for working trole module, UH security module, the the

441
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Speaker 1: engine control module. They're gonna talk about all the different

442
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Speaker 1: modules that things report to, and they're gonna tell you

443
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Speaker 1: the procedure, and then you're gonna come across the magic words.

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Speaker 1: That's ay, d RB three, that's where you got to

445
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Speaker 1: the side. You're gonna run from the building like your

446
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: hair's on fire. You're gonna go out and rent one.

447
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: Can't buy one, trust me, they're way too expensive, probably

448
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Speaker 1: one of the most expensive aftermarket scan tools left on

449
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Speaker 1: the planet. So but that's that's that's where I would go. Now,

450
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: of course, you know, listen, it's been a while since

451
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Speaker 1: O four was around, and you know, I haven't had

452
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Speaker 1: a lot of need lately to pull out one of

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Speaker 1: the seventeen scan tools. I have to tell you, can

454
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Speaker 1: anything else do it? Uh? You know, couldn't a tell

455
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Speaker 1: do it? Maybe, could have launched do it maybe? Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, so it would all depend on what level

457
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Speaker 1: of tool, But I would clearly tell you that the

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Speaker 1: d RB three would do it. Just that, you know,

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Speaker 1: as far as the expense and the expertise to operate.

460
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Speaker 1: It might be a different story because you're you're in

461
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: the you're in the functionality here. If it's working backwards

462
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: and you can say, hey, I gave the command and

463
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Speaker 1: everything else work, then you know it's this and you know.

464
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: Or you can say, hey, I provided the input and

465
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Speaker 1: the tool told me it was correct, and you know

466
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: it's coming in right, it's just going out wrong or

467
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Speaker 1: it being controlled wrong by whatever is controlling it, and

468
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Speaker 1: then you can move on down the line. That makes sense,

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00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: all right, So that's where you gotta go, kiddo. Um.

470
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Either way, you might end up buying yourself a scan

471
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Speaker 1: tool for the holidays, for Father's Day coming up. So

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you very much. You're very welcome. You're

473
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Speaker 1: very welcome. Hey. You know, by the way, um, Tom,

474
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: we keep forgetting to do. This is a couple of

475
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Speaker 1: housekeeping chores we have to do. Is I was able

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Speaker 1: to remember we had on and I can't think of

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Speaker 1: the general Mark Muller wrote the book on Ford Mustang. No, No,

478
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Speaker 1: that was that wasn't Oh yes, I'm sorry, yes that

479
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Speaker 1: was because we had we had a Mark Muller and

480
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Speaker 1: a Mark mills Um Mark Muller wrote a book on

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Speaker 1: sixty four and a half up Mustang and the development

482
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Speaker 1: of the Mustang, and just a really cool book, great

483
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Speaker 1: color pictures. I didn't want to tell you. I'm gonna

484
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Speaker 1: tell you that, but don't tell anybody. I was able

485
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Speaker 1: to get two copies that we can give away here

486
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: on air. Excellent. No, Tom, we have enough stuff. We

487
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: don't need more stuff, all right. Where you know, this

488
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: isn't a George Carlin skit. We're not trying to collect stuff.

489
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: We're trying to give stuff away. But the more stuff

490
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: you have when you die, you win, no, because then

491
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: you then your kids have to throw it out. So

492
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: this way, I want to get rid of it now. Um.

493
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll decide when in the next month

494
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Speaker 1: or so we want to get it into the hands

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Speaker 1: of somebody. We're thinking for Father's Day or listen, maybe

496
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Speaker 1: for Mother's Day, Tom, Maybe we should say for you know,

497
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Speaker 1: we'll get it out by the first week in May. Uh.

498
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Speaker 1: That's a good idea, because I bet you there's a

499
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Speaker 1: lot of ladies into those most things. You know, they

500
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Speaker 1: always called it, They always said she was Mustang Sally,

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00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: So you know that's always a possibility, So we've got

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Speaker 1: that going on, and also we want to do We've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of shows that we want to we

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Speaker 1: want to tape some shows for April, right, so we're

505
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: gonna be doing some tapings coming up, uh in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. So if you've got a question

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00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: and you can't get to us, you know we're here

508
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Speaker 1: live on the network Saturdays two to four pm East

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Speaker 1: Coast time. Just call eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 1: nine zero zero if you want to be part of

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Speaker 1: a Car Doctor evening taping as we tape the show

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Speaker 1: instead of do it live and um, you know we

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Speaker 1: look forward to that and Tom we'll give you the

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Speaker 1: particulars on that. So just call eight five five five

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Speaker 1: zero zero zero. Leave a message right now. Let's pull over,

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Speaker 1: take a pause. The Card Doctor will be back right

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Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away. Welcome back right nating the

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Speaker 1: Card Doctor. Eight five five five zero nine zero. Let's

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Speaker 1: get over to Bill in Michigan. Oh, h, Chevy and Palta. Bill,

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00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Card Welcome back to the Car Doctor. Bill.

521
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: I want to do two things there. My brain was

522
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: saying one thing and my mouth was doing another. So

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Speaker 1: how are you I'm good? How are you good? What's

524
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: going on with this? I got two thousand eight uh

525
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Speaker 1: Impala three five V six with sixty nine thousand miles

526
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Speaker 1: at shooting a code P zero two. The thing I

527
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: did was visual inspection. I didn't see anything. Cleared the code,

528
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: drove the vehicle, UH COLDE went away. I added a

529
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: can of Bearman's injector cleaner. Drove the vehicle for about

530
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: four days and mainly short trips. Light came back on.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything I should look for? First? Of these?

532
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: Have any known product problems for that? What? What g happened?

533
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: To look at fuel trim? Bill? No, I haven't hooked

534
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: up a scan to I have a launch millennium ninety

535
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna okay, So we want to we want

536
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: to look at fuel trim, all right, and to refresh

537
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: everybody's memory. Mine included zero is a balanced fuel mixture.

538
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: If we see a positive number, it's adding fuel. If

539
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: we see a negative number, it's taking fuel away. Because

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00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: it's running rich A one seventy two is the vehicle

541
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: is running rich off its base fuel program as as

542
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: designed by the engineer. So you're probably going to see

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00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: something in excess of negative ten percent. Now we've got

544
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: to find out why, you know, where is it Where

545
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: is it drawing this extra a fuel from? It could

546
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: be something as simple as, uh, you know, a bad

547
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: canister purge valve that's stuck open. It could be a

548
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: deluded crank case for a variety of reasons. Is this

549
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: a flex fuel vehicle? Okay? So with a flex fuel vehicle,

550
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: one of the things you have to consider is that

551
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: it's it's the fuel composition is gonna be a fuel

552
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: composition pit, all right, that the alcohol content has reached

553
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: a high limit, and that will set this fault. So

554
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: there's a rather involved procedure where you have to go

555
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: in and um, you know, test the vehicle's fuel alcohol content,

556
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: and you can probably find an online or if you

557
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: send me a note, I'll be glad to drop it

558
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: to you. It's gonna require a glass violence some specific

559
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: test procedures. Um, you may find that if fuel trim

560
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: is more to the negative side that and I'm expecting

561
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: it to be that. You know, you may find running

562
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: this tank of fuel out of it and either changing

563
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: brands or blends, UM may cause the problem to go

564
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: away on its own. But it's it's learning. It could

565
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: possibly be learning, um based on fuel composition that's got

566
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: too high in alcohol content. Did you recently change brands

567
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: of fuel? No, I've been buying it at one station consistently,

568
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: although ron I did at a five gallon can that

569
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: was probably four months old alright. But after that and

570
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: after I got the light, I did fill it up

571
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: with fresh fuel. Again, it's a top tier, right and

572
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: it may it maybe that's what set it off. And

573
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: now it's got to be relearned. And again you've got

574
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: to go look at fuel trims and work your way

575
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: up from there. But the the flex fuel vehicles can

576
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: get a little hairy once they go out of alcohol calibration.

577
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: There should be a pit there that's gonna tell you

578
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: alcohol alcohol content as seen. And if you find that,

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00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I bet it's gonna say it's over forty and that

580
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: that's a problem. I think the max it can go

581
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: as uh thirty thirty five something like that. Um. So

582
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna see too high alcohol composition number, and that's

583
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna set the fault code. It's gonna it's

584
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna skew how the vehicle runs. It's gonna start to

585
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: pull fuel away based on its pits. So um, and

586
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: then by the same token. Yeah, well, and by the

587
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: same token. This is a V six, right, there's a

588
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: three five. So go look at go, look at go

589
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: look at both banks. You know, usually fuel trim faults

590
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: set at the negative or positive number. If one banks

591
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: and one banks, it's gonna set for the one, but

592
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: not the other. But in theory, they're both out of whack.

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00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: If if if you get what I'm saying, so, is

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00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: there a fixture it's it's either gonna be. It's either

595
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna be if it's fuel related, changing the fuel and

596
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: doing a relearn can help. If not, then you know

597
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: we've got I've also seen where the the alcohol composition

598
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: sensor is on the fuel level sender, and I've seen

599
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: those fail and cause this condition too. So it's not

600
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: the fuel, it's just at the the sender or the

601
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: sensor that tells the computer how much the alcohol content

602
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: and it actually goes bad and that needs to be replaced. So, um,

603
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: you know a little bit of diagnostics here. You've got

604
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: my email, right do yeah? Um, you know, shoot me

605
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a note and I can send you some more information

606
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: if you need it. But see what the see what

607
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: the fuel trims are, and we can kind of work

608
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: our way out from there, all right, And I appreciate

609
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: the effort and information. Thanks, You're very welcome story. Good

610
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Speaker 1: to hear from you again. Boy builds a long time

611
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: a long time listener, right bit Bill has been listening

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Speaker 1: to us. I think as long as I don't say

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Speaker 1: as long as I'm on the air, but as long

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00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: as I can remember, what's my memory worth? I mean,

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Speaker 1: who am I? Oh? Right, okay, let's pull over and

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Speaker 1: take a plause. I think that's what I do. At

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Speaker 1: this point eight five five zero zero, we're on needing

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor coming back right after this. Don't go away,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. We're on na of the car Doctor at

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Speaker 1: eight five five five zero zero. Keep in mind that's

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Speaker 1: seven phone number that you can get into to talk

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Speaker 1: to us. Just to leave a message at eight five

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Speaker 1: zero zero and Tom Ray will claim back and get

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Speaker 1: you in the next life que you know, since we're

625
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Speaker 1: banned on Facebook this weekend and we can't poke the

626
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: bear any harder, I thought I talked to you about

627
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: an article that I read recently on Wired dot com

628
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: that talks about all the things that drain your electric

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Speaker 1: vehicle battery. Why not? What the heck right? And it

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: got me to thinking as I was reading it. It

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Speaker 1: talks about you know, you're stuck in the rain and

632
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: the wipers are working over time, or you're stuck in

633
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: cold weather and you've got to turn your heated seats

634
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: up to keep the family warm, or the heat up

635
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: in the car to keep the family warm, and all

636
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: the things that change and the variables that change. Any

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Speaker 1: vehicle that over the time, over the course of a

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Speaker 1: trip that you know, may make calculated distance on how

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Speaker 1: you know, that much lesser different. I started thinking about

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Speaker 1: the social impact of evs, and I'm not saying evs

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Speaker 1: are a bad thing. You know what. I think every

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Speaker 1: mail delivery root vehicle in this country should be an

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Speaker 1: electric vehicle. I really do. I don't know where you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get the electricity from, but I think that should

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Speaker 1: be done. I think that should be part of the consideration.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder about the social and the environmental and

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Speaker 1: the economic impact of an EV you know, I always

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Speaker 1: think about you know that that single mom or dad

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Speaker 1: help make ends meet, and they're out looking for that five, six, seven,

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Speaker 1: eight thousand dollar used vehicle to get around for a

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Speaker 1: don't think there are I don't think there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a less than a ten thousand dollar used electric vehicle.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, and then when you get it,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to worry about the electrical drain on

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Speaker 1: the on the system such as they're pointing out here. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just wonder what sort of social impact.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, some of the things that drain your electric

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Speaker 1: vehicle at points out it talks about the difference in radios, audio,

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Speaker 1: and entertainment car car Car infotainment displays have grown significally

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Speaker 1: in the past decade, to the point that some span

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Speaker 1: the entire width of the cabin, and some cars like

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Speaker 1: poor Ship, can be brought up with five digital displays.

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Speaker 1: The latest generation of Tesla modelists also come equipped with

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Speaker 1: powerful video game systems. Do we need video game systems,

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Speaker 1: while I guess you do because in a Tesla you're

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Speaker 1: not driving, You're sitting there waiting to be driven. Um.

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Speaker 1: All this draws significantly more injury from the car's battery

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Speaker 1: packed and simple music and navigation. While a regular car

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Speaker 1: stereo played loudly might reach one or wants of power,

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Speaker 1: it's demands on the battery pack retired or tiny, with

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Speaker 1: one hours equating to exactly half a kilometer of vehicle

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Speaker 1: range per hour of views. And it starts to talk

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Speaker 1: about how differences in radios will drain the vehicle battery more,

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Speaker 1: and how you use that radio will drain the vehicle

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Speaker 1: battery more. I don't know. There's an awful lot more

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Speaker 1: to this that really needs to be discussed, but I

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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. I'm already even enough trouble.

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Speaker 1: Facebook won't talk to me. Oh my god, What will

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Speaker 1: I do until the next time I'm running any of

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Speaker 1: the car? Doctor at eight five five five zero zero zero.

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Speaker 1: The mechanics aren't expensive. Let's see you