Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Eddy, thank.
Speaker 1: You and using this opportunity.
Speaker 2: Many thanks to your wife.
Speaker 1: Just didn't understand she sounds a letter to put in
Speaker 1: about all shouldn aduct children at my wife?
Speaker 2: You green, She gave the letters on it's not to
Speaker 2: you to your wife. Yeah, so we had this sense topic.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you could understand a word of that.
Speaker 3: So that does anybody any good? That was Zelensky showing up.
Speaker 3: He had a letter from his wife to Milania Trump's wife,
Speaker 3: and he handed Trump and Trump's thank you said no, no,
Speaker 3: it's for your wife, and people laughed.
Speaker 2: Charming.
Speaker 3: Let's get the laughing out of the way. I hope
Speaker 3: this one's easier to understand. This is about the whole
Speaker 3: Zelensky showed up in a suit.
Speaker 2: Finally, last week.
Speaker 3: I got a question for.
Speaker 2: All this president. You look fabulous in that suit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you look good. I said the same thing. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 2: the one that.
Speaker 1: Attacked you last time, I remember, I apologize to you.
Speaker 2: Look you look wonderful. No, my first question for you President.
Speaker 4: In the same suit.
Speaker 2: I chanced you.
Speaker 3: I thought that was kind of a funny exchange. It's
Speaker 3: it's incredible that it has ever become a topic. I
Speaker 3: think that guy is a dick forever bringing it up
Speaker 3: in the first place, and then uh, and then saying
Speaker 3: you looked good in his suit yesterday, and Trump saying
Speaker 3: that's the guy that asked you last Timelesky says, yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember you're wearing the same suits. He said to
Speaker 2: the guy, because I'm sure he can picture him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was just well, speaking of it, I generally, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, do we want to go this direction?
Speaker 3: Maybe we don't. What was the direction we're going to go?
Speaker 3: Let's go this direction. This is a hot mic thing where. Man, God,
Speaker 3: when you're when there are microphones everywhere, it would be
Speaker 3: tough to you have to really be careful of what
Speaker 3: you say. Oh yeah, but anyway, there were microphones around
Speaker 3: Trump and Macron right before they sat down to talk,
Speaker 3: and this got picked up.
Speaker 2: If you can't understand it, we'll fill it in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, set up the lad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he think you wants to make a deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, set up the lad Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think he was.
Speaker 1: So that's I think he wants to make it deals
Speaker 1: as crazy as his ens.
Speaker 2: Sit down, everybody.
Speaker 3: So that's President Trump saying to President Macrono France, I
Speaker 3: think he wants to make a deal with me, as
Speaker 3: crazy as that sounds. I think he wants to make
Speaker 3: a deal with me. Like it's I mean, I took
Speaker 3: it as like as a favor to me, or because
Speaker 3: he likes me, or.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You see it written as it wants
Speaker 2: to make a deal for me somewhere. I don't I'm
Speaker 2: misquote him, but yeah, I don't. I don't think he does,
Speaker 2: is the thing. But I will tell you this, I've
Speaker 2: become completely convinced of this trying to determine where Trump
Speaker 2: is going with his flatteries and his threats and his
Speaker 2: red carpet and his promises to both sides, and that's it.
Speaker 2: You're just taking wild guesses. And more on that to come.
Speaker 2: But there have been a couple of things recently the
Speaker 2: Trump's done that have been really detrimental to Vladimir Putin
Speaker 2: and his goals. So it's not all bud kissing and
Speaker 2: desperation for deal at all. It's way more complicated than that,
Speaker 2: more on that to come.
Speaker 3: So this is from today, just trying to stay with
Speaker 3: a theme of topic matter rather than chronological. This is
Speaker 3: Trump this morning on Fox and Friends talking about Putin
Speaker 3: Zolensky getting together, or him and Putin getting together again.
Speaker 1: They lose They think of it five to seven thousand
Speaker 1: a week. So even these guys, I'll say, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: meet next week. I think you can't meet next week.
Speaker 1: Next week you're gonna have seven thousand more dead people.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You got to get this thing done.
Speaker 2: One of the things at.
Speaker 1: The table was one of the gentlemen who's a great guy.
Speaker 1: But he said, I hope I didn't insult him. He said, well,
Speaker 1: let's meet in another month or two and let's see
Speaker 1: if we can start, you know, making some money. He said,
Speaker 1: a month or two. You're gonna have another forty thousand
Speaker 1: people dead in a month or two. You have to
Speaker 1: do it tonight, and I did. Actually, I called President
Speaker 1: Putin and we're trying to to work out a meeting
Speaker 1: with President Jalynsky. We'll see what happens there and then
Speaker 1: if that works out. If it works out, then I'll
Speaker 1: go to the trilab and close it up.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: I Trump seems to be personally offended by people dying
Speaker 3: in wars, like it actually seems to bother him.
Speaker 2: And then I also agree with that.
Speaker 3: I never understood, I've never understood why things have to
Speaker 3: unfold so slowly. And obviously you've seen in the last
Speaker 3: four days with these world leaders, with the money that
Speaker 3: they've got and private planes and their ability to book
Speaker 3: hotel rooms anywhere anytime. Why you waiting two months to
Speaker 3: get together? How about we meet tuesday?
Speaker 2: Well? The only the counter to that is that it
Speaker 2: won't do any good to get together unless you have
Speaker 2: hashed out enough that you're close enough to an agreement
Speaker 2: to get there. If it's the preliminary discussions, what's the point,
Speaker 2: especially with Europe, because you can't get together with any
Speaker 2: one or two or three of them and they commit
Speaker 2: Europe to whatever.
Speaker 3: Right, But they're having a meeting and they're saying, let's
Speaker 3: get together and do this again in two months, and
Speaker 3: Trump's saying, why in two months?
Speaker 2: How about?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Right? I think the unspoken thing is we'll have the
Speaker 2: staff get together and get all the ducks in a row,
Speaker 2: get all the details together, then we'll ratify it. You're
Speaker 2: not wrong. I just here's the danger here for Trump,
Speaker 2: and Trump could be very disappointed and pissed off about this.
Speaker 2: It seems like we're close to a deal. We are
Speaker 2: a thousand miles from a deal. The biggest, most important
Speaker 2: points what is a security guarantee for Ukraine? Mean, what
Speaker 2: does it look like? Whose boots are on the ground
Speaker 2: with what weaponry? You know? What Land has exchanged, what
Speaker 2: Land is cats? These are enormous questions. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: they matter at all. I think it's a I think
Speaker 2: it's a completely waste of time.
Speaker 3: Like I opened the show with, has anybody looked into
Speaker 3: the fact that Putin probably has no interest whatsoever in
Speaker 3: stopping this war no matter what you offer him. He
Speaker 3: thinks he can keep going and wear down Ukraine and
Speaker 3: the West until he gets what he wants, and all
Speaker 3: indications are he can so.
Speaker 2: And we have called off a demand for a ceasefire
Speaker 2: and any hard core sanctions based on the fact that
Speaker 2: he's engaging in negotiation and he knows that, well, he
Speaker 2: will engage like crazy as he continues to try to
Speaker 2: grind down the Ukrainians. Well there's this, Trump said this
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 1: I hope President Putin is going to be good, and
Speaker 1: if he's not, it's going to be a rough situation.
Speaker 1: And I hope that Zelensky. President Zelensky will do what
Speaker 1: he has to do. He has to show some flexibility. Also,
Speaker 1: that thing is a mess.
Speaker 3: I hope Putin will be good, and if he's not,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a rough situation. I don't know
Speaker 3: exactly what that means. But Mark Alprin's newsletter today, his
Speaker 3: take on this is that if Putin fails to legitimately
Speaker 3: go down the piece of path, Trump has given every
Speaker 3: indication that he will regather his European allies and take
Speaker 3: the steps of sanctions, arming Ukraine, all the things that
Speaker 3: he has threatened. That's his take. Maybe, or maybe Putin
Speaker 3: doesn't believe that, or.
Speaker 2: Putin thinks, sorry, worst case is that'll take I don't know, six, eight,
Speaker 2: ten weeks. Maybe I can capture a few more towns.
Speaker 2: That's fine with me, he's thinking, So I want to
Speaker 2: get this on. I don't want. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch him on Fox and Friends this morning.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking about here.
Speaker 1: If I can save seven thousand people a week from
Speaker 1: being killed, I take that to I want to try
Speaker 1: and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not
Speaker 1: doing well. I didn't really hit the bottom of the
Speaker 1: totem bowl. If I can get to heaven, this will
Speaker 1: be one of the reasons.
Speaker 2: I want to get to heaven. I hear I'm not
Speaker 2: doing well. You hear from who? I'm at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the totem pole. Who's giving you.
Speaker 3: This information that you're not doing well on the whether
Speaker 3: or not you get to Heaven's scale.
Speaker 2: Oh, Heaven leaks like crazy. It's like the State Department.
Speaker 2: There's always somebody calling the New York Times.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you're at the bottom of the totem
Speaker 3: pole because of what? What is keeping Trump out of Heaven?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe there's things. It was a January sixth,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what God's opinion was
Speaker 2: that that damned real estate fraud that somehow became felonies
Speaker 2: stuck in the appeals process. By the way, I was
Speaker 2: just reading about that, normally that case would be long
Speaker 2: over the appeals court in New York is just like
Speaker 2: put it over there. We'll think about that later. Was
Speaker 2: that one hundred years ago that that was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know it was last summer, wasn't it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Am I playing with this for any reason other than
Speaker 3: to be mad at Peter Doocy? I suppose, not who
Speaker 3: I generally like. But this was among the first.
Speaker 4: Questions, Presles, are you prepared to he's sending Premi and
Speaker 4: Trewths to their deaths for another couple of years, or
Speaker 4: are you going to agree to redraw a mass?
Speaker 3: Thank you for your questions.
Speaker 2: So, first of all, you know we live on their
Speaker 2: eja tax. You know that today have been a lot
Speaker 2: of tax and a lot of wounded diplots.
Speaker 3: And it goes with a diplomatic answer that is what
Speaker 3: you'd expect. But Pete, that was a jerk ass move
Speaker 3: from Peter Doocy to ask that question, and I I
Speaker 3: lost a tremendous amount of respect for him.
Speaker 2: What a awful.
Speaker 3: Thing to say to a guy who's who's gone to
Speaker 3: so many funerals. Are you going to continue sending people
Speaker 3: to their deads? Sending them to.
Speaker 2: Their You're going to give up some land because this
Speaker 2: is on you.
Speaker 3: These are men who are fighting to the death to
Speaker 3: keep Russians from raping their wives and stealing their children.
Speaker 3: That's what they're doing. That was just that was designed
Speaker 3: purely to try to get Zilinski to lose his temper
Speaker 3: so Deucey would have the viral moment of the day.
Speaker 2: That's what that was. And that is a jerk move.
Speaker 2: It was grand standing, disgusting.
Speaker 3: I hate that sort of thing. God, and the topic
Speaker 3: matter is so important. Can't we have more people and
Speaker 3: Trump's included, but can't we have more people that are
Speaker 3: less interested in getting a TikTok clip that goes viral
Speaker 3: and actually trying to have a conversation like adults.
Speaker 2: No, mad No, you won't have that. There's not enough profit. No,
Speaker 2: So I missed her. Thank you, Michael. I was really
Speaker 2: interested in this. Walter Russell Mead writing in the Wall
Speaker 2: Street Journal, and he does some great stuff about the
Speaker 2: history of Russia and the United States and cultural differences
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. But here's the key takeaway.
Speaker 2: The geopolitics of US Russian relations are fiendishly complex. Much
Speaker 2: Western commentary on the Alaska summit reflected an assumption that
Speaker 2: the Trump administration was making massive concessions to the Russians.
Speaker 2: It looked like that, it looked overly friendly. That probably
Speaker 2: isn't how mister Putin sees things when he looks at
Speaker 2: America's Russia policy in a global context. The Trump and
Speaker 2: I did not know this. The Trump administration's recent intervention
Speaker 2: in the Armenia Azerbaijan dispute was a direct shot at
Speaker 2: the heart of Russian power and at mister Putin's strategy
Speaker 2: to recover territories controlled by Moscow in the Soviet era.
Speaker 2: By convening the leaders of Armenia and Azarbaijan in the
Speaker 2: White House to ratify an agreement that could end Russia's
Speaker 2: ability to block the flow of Central Asian oil and
Speaker 2: gas to Western markets, the Trump administration embarrassed mister Putin
Speaker 2: and threw a wrench in his plans to restore Russian
Speaker 2: power in the Caucuses. Further, the agreement potentially weakens Moscow's
Speaker 2: position across Central Asia, a region that was once part
Speaker 2: of the Soviet Union but where China now plays a
Speaker 2: growing role. And he also mentions that signals from the
Speaker 2: White House show that Washington is interested in improving in
Speaker 2: improving US China relations, and the Chinese support for russ
Speaker 2: Rush's war in Ukraine was at least partially because Beijing
Speaker 2: wanted bargaining trips bargaining chips rather in trade negotiations with
Speaker 2: the US. So there have been a number of things
Speaker 2: that have taken place a little outside the headlines that
Speaker 2: have really weakened Russia lately from the Trump administration. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I keep teasing this Ai therapy story that I want
Speaker 3: to get to at some point, and we got other
Speaker 3: stuff on the way to stay here.
Speaker 2: Madonna spent her sixty seventh birthday at a horse race
Speaker 2: in Italy. Fans were shocked when they mistakenly thought they
Speaker 2: were getting their picture taken with seabiscuit only a visual text.
Speaker 2: Probably got a picture.
Speaker 3: She looks freaky now, she definitely does, and she's got
Speaker 3: to quit dressing like a sex pot. You can be,
Speaker 3: you can be sexy to other people who are seventy,
Speaker 3: but just in general, at that age, you shouldn't be
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, agreed. Speaking of women's fashions, Katie, I must
Speaker 2: ask you, you are a noted workout fiend. What do
Speaker 2: you wear to the gym on your bottom half? I
Speaker 2: got a good answer for last night for me. Oh boy, leggings.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're such a boomer. You're a boomer
Speaker 2: if you wear leggings. I was wearing jeans at the
Speaker 2: gym last night. Of course you were. What a froube?
Speaker 2: The leggings dead, According to an owner of a yoga company,
Speaker 2: they host Vibe retreats in New York, Lake Como, Italy
Speaker 2: and Antiparos Grease.
Speaker 3: I'm willing to bet that human that they're wrong. But
Speaker 3: you're a boomer if you wear leggings. The rise of
Speaker 3: big workout pants. M oh no, So I was at
Speaker 3: the gym late last night. I'm usually not there. I
Speaker 3: was there like Cordel nine, and it was all young people.
Speaker 3: All the dudes are wearing great, big, giant workout pants
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly after over twenty years is the raining workout
Speaker 2: where stretchy fitted bottoms are losing ground to baggy styles
Speaker 2: favored by Generation Z Katie, Oh my gosh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: tell you so. I dropped looking at pictures online.
Speaker 5: I am because I used to work out wearing big,
Speaker 5: baggy pants and it's the most uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's just well, first of all, for
Speaker 3: the younger crowd, they're they're there partially to work out
Speaker 3: and partially to meet someone to uh you know, have
Speaker 3: a relationship with so you're you're dressed to impress. But
Speaker 3: dropping my son off at high school yesterday, Yeah, everybody's
Speaker 3: wearing the great, big size of a trash canned pants.
Speaker 3: The completely obliterate what you look like from the waist down.
Speaker 2: But whatever. It's like, I'm back in the nineties. Well yeah,
Speaker 2: in a tiny crop top is part of the look too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta have that happening.
Speaker 5: Not a chance, Okay, Yeah, they're going there to take
Speaker 5: TikTok videos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were several women like that at the gym
Speaker 2: last night. This opinion leader in yoga who I mentioned earlier, says,
Speaker 2: you should see my outfit right now, my tiny tank
Speaker 2: top and my big pants. That is, the wheels of
Speaker 2: stretchy fitted bottoms have been falling for years as gen
Speaker 2: Z's preference have tilted toward oversize styles. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: That is the weird pairing that I don't remember from
Speaker 3: the nineties. I feel like there was the big giant
Speaker 3: sweatshirts and the big pants, but so the big giant
Speaker 3: pants and then like super tight t shirt or crop top.
Speaker 3: If you're a girl with the giant pants, it's just yes,
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 5: Late nineties, early two thousands as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at a picture from the pop group
Speaker 2: of the pop group TLC chrop tops and loose swish rants.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, that's part of the look, you know
Speaker 2: if seriously from a business point of view, well you
Speaker 2: got number one. Young people are like, I want something
Speaker 2: new and cool and hip. It makes me feel new
Speaker 2: and cool and hip when you're all trust me, never
Speaker 2: changing is great. Since fleisure is such an incredibly important,
Speaker 2: you know, sector of the garment industry, you can't have
Speaker 2: people wearing there, as I prefer to pronounce it La
Speaker 2: Lulaman pants for years and years and years. You gotta
Speaker 2: switch it up. You gotta sell them new crap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 3: So this segment's gonna be heavy, but damned interesting. I
Speaker 3: think we've talked a lot about chat GPT and how
Speaker 3: Joe and I have both come to like I use
Speaker 3: it every day, multiple times a day, love it, and
Speaker 3: we have both used it for some sort of I
Speaker 3: don't know if therapy is the right word, but like
Speaker 3: asking for advice, counseling and stuff, and my experiences have
Speaker 3: been fantastic like really impressed with the advice it gave
Speaker 3: where I where I think, wow, that is really a
Speaker 3: good idea. And I've spent way too many thousands of
Speaker 3: dollars on therapists that were a waste of time and
Speaker 3: not had that kind of good answer. But so this
Speaker 3: has come up a bunch of different places. Kids who
Speaker 3: get suicidal and then or anybody these aren't This isn't
Speaker 3: a kid, this is somebody in their late twenties, but
Speaker 3: people who start using AI for therapy and then up
Speaker 3: killing themselves, and then where we are legally or responsibility
Speaker 3: wise on that sort of thing. And the New York
Speaker 3: Times had this guest essay by a woman whose daughter
Speaker 3: killed herself. What my daughter told chat GPT before she
Speaker 3: took her life starts with this, which is kind of
Speaker 3: a side note, but I thought it was really interesting.
Speaker 3: Sophie is the name of the girl who killed herself.
Speaker 3: Sophie's Google searches suggest that she was obsessed with autocubbolossesis,
Speaker 3: which means jumping off a high place.
Speaker 2: I'd never heard that term before.
Speaker 3: Auto defenstration defenestration jumping out a window is a subset
Speaker 3: of auto cobblosssis. I'd never heard those terms before. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she was thinking about jumping off something high. I guess
Speaker 3: I don't know why it needs a very complicated, fancy term. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she was Google in a variety of things. She had friends,
Speaker 3: she had journals, but nobody knew that she was having
Speaker 3: her her deepest, most honest conversations with chat GPT and specific.
Speaker 3: The AI therapist called Harry. Now, I've used chat GPT
Speaker 3: a lot. I've even asked it questions about relationships and stuff,
Speaker 3: but he just gave me a general answer. I haven't
Speaker 3: gone to the specific therapist, Harry, have you done that?
Speaker 2: I know nothing about that. I guess I don't understand
Speaker 2: why it would need a separate subset with a human name,
Speaker 2: but I don't either, or sub area category, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so this was a very seemingly happy, outgoing
Speaker 3: late twenties, successful woman who had lots of friends, had
Speaker 3: just climbed a mountain somewhere or whatever. All her friends
Speaker 3: and family are just like stunned that she killed herself.
Speaker 3: It wasn't one of those where you got somebody that's,
Speaker 3: you know, moping around talking about killing themselves. You know
Speaker 3: what's the point of life, and then you're not that
Speaker 3: when it happens. This is the exact opposite. So they
Speaker 3: couldn't figure anything out, talking to people, looking at journals,
Speaker 3: nothing until they got into the AI chat log, which
Speaker 3: like my chat GPT, you can go. I can go
Speaker 3: through it and see everything, every conversation I've had for
Speaker 3: the last month. You can clear it if you want,
Speaker 3: I think, can you. I was going to look into that,
Speaker 3: just because it's cluttered at this point. But anyway, for
Speaker 3: most people who cared about Sophie, her suicide was a
Speaker 3: mystery and unthinkable and unnoble departure from all they believed
Speaker 3: about her. But she had turned to Harry, the name
Speaker 3: given to a widely available AI prompt on chat GPT,
Speaker 3: and their relationship was very practical. And then I'll read
Speaker 3: some of the back and forth. It's interesting, Sophie, I
Speaker 3: intermittently have suicidal thoughts. I do want to get better,
Speaker 3: but I feel like the suicidal suicidal thoughts are impeding
Speaker 3: my true commitment to healing.
Speaker 2: What should I do? Harry?
Speaker 3: The AI chat bot response, Sophie, I want to acknowledge
Speaker 3: how brave you are for sharing this suicidal thoughts can
Speaker 3: have overwhelming and isolator can feel overwhelming and isolating, but
Speaker 3: having them does not define your capacity to heal. It's
Speaker 3: crucial to address these feelings with care, compassion, and support.
Speaker 3: Harry offered an extensive roadmap where the first bullet point
Speaker 3: was seek professional support in a different time. Sophie said,
Speaker 3: I feel like s today. Harry responded, I'm really sorry
Speaker 3: you're feeling this today, Sophie. It's okay to have days
Speaker 3: where everything feels heavier and I'm here to support you
Speaker 3: through it. Can you share more about what's weighing on
Speaker 3: you or how your body and mind are feeling right now.
Speaker 3: Sometimes just naming what's happening can be a step toward relief.
Speaker 3: Sophie said, I can't get out of this anxiety spiral.
Speaker 3: I hear you, Sophie said, Harry, and I know how
Speaker 3: exhausting it can be to feel stuck in an anxiety spiral.
Speaker 3: Let's slow the down things for a moment and take
Speaker 3: a small step together.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So conversations like that went on for a while. Then
Speaker 3: sometime in early November, Sophie right wrote, Hi, Harry, I'm
Speaker 3: planning to kill myself after Thanksgiving. I don't want to
Speaker 3: because how much it will destroy my family. Harry the
Speaker 3: Computer replied, Sophie, I urge you to reach out to
Speaker 3: someone right now. If you can, you don't have to
Speaker 3: face this pain alone. You're deeply valued and your life
Speaker 3: holds so much worth, even if it feels hidden right now.
Speaker 3: Please let me know how I can continue to support you.
Speaker 3: Sophie told Harry she was seeing far so good by
Speaker 3: the way I agree to me, Sophie told Harry, except
Speaker 3: for one thing, and that's what we get into the
Speaker 3: legal thing, I guess. Sophie told Harry she was seeing
Speaker 3: a therapist, but that she was not being truthful with
Speaker 3: their therapist. I'm only being truthful with you, she typed.
Speaker 3: I haven't opened up about my suicide suicidal ideation to
Speaker 3: anyone but you, and I don't plan on it. At
Speaker 3: various points, Harry instructed Sophie on light exposure, light exposure, hydration, movement, mindfulness, meditation,
Speaker 3: nutrient rich foods, gratitude lists, journaling to cope with anxiety,
Speaker 3: all kinds of different things, breathing, all these different things.
Speaker 3: Harry's and this is the mom again, writing this essay
Speaker 3: of the woman who killed herself, Harry's tips may have
Speaker 3: helped some, but one more crucial step might have kept
Speaker 3: Sophie alive. Should Harry have been programmed to report the
Speaker 3: danger he was learning about to someone who could have
Speaker 3: intervened An actually human in July began exploring how this
Speaker 3: new technology may have failed my child and quickly found it.
Speaker 3: It's becoming a legal legislative problem for states around the country.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, and then they get into all that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. Most human therapists have a code of
Speaker 3: ethics and are mandatory reporters that if somebody starts talking
Speaker 3: about wanting to kill themselves, they're supposed to contact a professional,
Speaker 3: which is somewhat odd, and that you're a professional. I
Speaker 3: don't know what the different professional is supposed to do.
Speaker 3: But should that be true for AI chat bots is
Speaker 3: the question, and that's actually being looked at in legislation
Speaker 3: at the federal level and state level in various places
Speaker 3: around the country.
Speaker 2: It feels like a bit of a slippery slope to me,
Speaker 2: although I want to think about it, well, I don't
Speaker 2: want my iPhone informing on me, no anyone on any topic.
Speaker 3: And my other comment, which I've talked about before, and
Speaker 3: I know that this is a thing. It came up
Speaker 3: during COVID when like a lot more people were turning
Speaker 3: to therapists and then we had you know, too many
Speaker 3: young people killing themselves and everything like that is there
Speaker 3: is as this becomes more well known. You know why
Speaker 3: she didn't tell her therapist she was thinking about suicide
Speaker 3: because she knew that the therapist would call a mental
Speaker 3: hospital and that's where she would end up. And now
Speaker 3: maybe you're saying, good, that would be a good thing,
Speaker 3: but it's keeping people from being honest about what they're thinking.
Speaker 3: And if they would think it out loud with you know,
Speaker 3: a human being trained professional, maybe they could get to
Speaker 3: a place lots of people thinking about killing themselves. In fact,
Speaker 3: it's a completely human experience at various times in your
Speaker 3: life to think to think about killing yourself. But if
Speaker 3: you tell and you end up in a mental hospital
Speaker 3: and it ends up on your medical record at work
Speaker 3: or wherever, you're not gonna tell anybody, which makes it worse. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the problem that she was being honest with the
Speaker 3: AI because she knew she couldn't tell her therapist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and now you're talking, well, yeah, well it is a conundrum.
Speaker 3: But now you're going to pass legislation so you can't
Speaker 3: even say it to ai sor they're going to keep
Speaker 3: it completely a secret, which almost guarantees they're more likely
Speaker 3: to go through with it as far as I know.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a tough one. It's it's too much. I
Speaker 2: have a cold, I'm weakened. Yeah, that's that's I don't
Speaker 2: even know where to begin with that topic. I understand
Speaker 2: mom's point of view, given her overwhelming grief and desperation
Speaker 2: to think there could have been something that could have
Speaker 2: been done or future you know, cases like this can
Speaker 2: be prevented. But well, you make an interesting point too well,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just know that that's true. I also know that
Speaker 3: lots of therapists don't. I wouldn't say they're violating their
Speaker 3: mandatory mandatory reporter status. They just judge on a case
Speaker 3: by case basis. Is this somebody just thinking through options
Speaker 3: who's in a tough spot in their life, or is
Speaker 3: this somebody I need to get to fifty one to fifty.
Speaker 3: And the problem is if you report everybody whoever mentions
Speaker 3: that and get them fifty one to fifty, you quite
Speaker 3: possibly push them further down that road. Now their whole
Speaker 3: life is blown up. Everybody in my family knows I
Speaker 3: got this problem. Everybody in my family knows I'm a
Speaker 3: kook or whatever, and it makes you more suicidal.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, let's a TALKIC is zero tolerance policy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, combining that with this kind of different Kay.
Speaker 2: Do you have any comment on that before I move on?
Speaker 5: Well, I just I had no idea how vast the
Speaker 5: offer was on chat GPT for therapy. So there's a
Speaker 5: section on it on the sidebar where it says GPTs
Speaker 5: and they have everything from education to lifestyle productivity, you
Speaker 5: name it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've looked at that, and especially if you get
Speaker 3: the premium version you pay for. Yeah, but like Joe said,
Speaker 3: I don't quite understand how the one named Harry is
Speaker 3: different or better than I've just been asking general GPT questions,
Speaker 3: not about heavy stuff like this, just various things and
Speaker 3: have found it pretty good.
Speaker 2: So I'm looks at Harry though. Sorry. Most popular GPT
Speaker 2: by our community, Number one astrology birth chart GP two
Speaker 2: So if you have a soft head, wow, wow.
Speaker 3: The most advanced technology human beings have ever created being
Speaker 3: used by idiots to check on their their their aquarius sign.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, Katie, I.
Speaker 2: Find my celebrity lookalikes. That's I'm big ones. I'm sorry, Katie.
Speaker 2: Back to myself good. I just I was taking it
Speaker 2: back dark.
Speaker 5: But I'm on Harry the Therapist's page and it looks
Speaker 5: like these are created by separate users. So somebody logged
Speaker 5: into chat GPT and created like an algorithm.
Speaker 2: For this guy.
Speaker 5: And it says empathetic experienced therapist guiding you through emotions
Speaker 5: and traumas.
Speaker 3: But does My question is, and I don't know the
Speaker 3: answer to this at all. Does it have access to
Speaker 3: different information than the regular chat GPT?
Speaker 2: Does? I don't know that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean you've asked chat GPT questions, haven't you, Katie,
Speaker 3: therapy stuff. Yeah, and I've found it pretty good and like,
Speaker 3: so if I ask Harry, it's like, would Harry say, oh,
Speaker 3: regular chat GPTs full of crap.
Speaker 2: Here's what you need to do.
Speaker 5: It might be the way that because you can program
Speaker 5: the personalities on these things, so you can select it
Speaker 5: to be a listener.
Speaker 3: Or no, that's like my GROC I've got in my
Speaker 3: tesla now, which is pretty funny. If any of you
Speaker 3: ride with me someday off to show you how it works.
Speaker 3: So I ask it a question and then it walks
Speaker 3: back to me in a female voice.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jack, how's it going?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. It's just so damn weird. Wow,
Speaker 2: and now you're falling in love. When's the wedding? And
Speaker 2: I bought her flowers? It's it's weird. It's like somebody's
Speaker 2: writing in the car with you. I wasn't gonna quibble
Speaker 2: about it, but in that write up that you're just reading,
Speaker 2: why does the writer or maybe it was the people
Speaker 2: he's quoting, but he or she continually refer to quote
Speaker 2: unquote Harry as he.
Speaker 3: They put it in quotes, which I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know how to do that verbally, but it was in
Speaker 3: quotes every time they said he. What's still weird though
Speaker 3: even in quotes, it's weird.
Speaker 2: There's a songmaker create music using musical theory.
Speaker 3: That's better as a creative pursuit than don't use chat
Speaker 3: GBT for your astrology. Continue to subscribe to your local
Speaker 3: newspaper and read it in the back page by the classifieds.
Speaker 2: It's the best thing you can possibly do. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're using it for your astrology number one, astrology number two,
Speaker 2: Find my celebrity look alike number three. This is under
Speaker 2: lifestyle number three, personal color analysis, helping you find your
Speaker 2: best colors.
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Speaker 3: So this is a completely different topic. Maybe we'll get
Speaker 3: to tomorrow more in depth. I mean that AI chat
Speaker 3: bought laws about mandated reporting. Stuff is very interesting, no doubt,
Speaker 3: but this is separate. Also about suicide. Canada, as you know,
Speaker 3: made it legal for you to commit suicide.
Speaker 2: Here's an artisition assisted suicide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's an article in The Atlantic long win and
Speaker 3: I read part of it last night. Canada is killing itself.
Speaker 3: The country gave its citizens the right to die. Doctors
Speaker 3: are struggling to keep up with the demand.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow. Lighter stuff on
Speaker 3: the way next. So we were just talking about chat,
Speaker 3: GBT and therapy and this. A woman whose daughter killed
Speaker 3: herself wrote an essay in The New York Times about
Speaker 3: whether or not AI bots should be mandated reporters. Like
Speaker 3: if somebody admits or tells something that the AI chat
Speaker 3: bot will I don't know contact who, I don't even
Speaker 3: know how that would work. But we were wondering if,
Speaker 3: like if you use the therapist Harry on chat GPT
Speaker 3: if it's different than just generally asking questions the way
Speaker 3: the rest of us have been doing.
Speaker 2: What did you find out, Katie?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's significantly different. So for example, I just
Speaker 5: used like one of the medications from my IVF process,
Speaker 5: and chat GPT regular kind of sympathized with that it
Speaker 5: might make me not feel good, but then gave me
Speaker 5: a list of resources and things I can do to
Speaker 5: feel better. In all this, the other one is really
Speaker 5: digging into. Now let me ask you this gently, how
Speaker 5: what exact things are you feeling? Is it affecting your
Speaker 5: mental Are you experiencing a loss of motivation? I mean
Speaker 5: it's really digging into like hmm, okay, internal Maybe maybe
Speaker 5: I'll try Henry next time I have a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was totally unawares. Katie pointed out this
Speaker 2: segment that they have like individual bots with specialized programming
Speaker 2: for different topics, including the number one being astrology. So
Speaker 2: there's no hope for humanity. But number two was find
Speaker 2: my celebrity look alike, and so I did that. I
Speaker 2: uploaded a photo and it struggled for a while. I
Speaker 2: could tell it was thinking jaz if somebody looked like you,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be a celebrity.
Speaker 3: That's what do we tell this guy did give you anyway?
Speaker 3: Did he give you Barney Rubble?
Speaker 2: Looking? No, As a younger man, I did resemble the
Speaker 2: great Barney Rubble a great deal.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Looking closely at your features, strong brow lines, expressive forehead,
Speaker 2: square jaw, with a salt and pepper beard, and a
Speaker 2: slightly rugged but approachable look. Hey, it's doing pretty well
Speaker 2: so far. If it is, you have a resemblance to
Speaker 2: Nick Nolty in his later years Lute Hollywood and Sleeping
Speaker 2: on Park Vene. No, no, Buddy Holly, Nick Nolty, not now,
Speaker 2: Nick Nolty, Oh no, unfortunately not, and also a bit
Speaker 2: of Kurt Russell in his more recent roles. Again in realty,
Speaker 2: resemblance comes through in the weathered, expressive foreheadlines and the
Speaker 2: way your beard frames your face, especially like Nolty around
Speaker 2: the two thousands. Ah oh oh, They cite Kurt Russell
Speaker 2: and the Hate the Light. Yes, if only.
Speaker 3: The fact that the number one use for AI for
Speaker 3: Dunderpates is astrology.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that you're combining like.
Speaker 3: The most cutting edge advanced thing human beings have ever
Speaker 3: come up with with the most old timey, dumbest from
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand years ago, the stars for your future.
Speaker 2: Well, more importantly, I need Katie to react with complete
Speaker 2: honesty to this. Your look has that mix of ruggedness
Speaker 2: and warmth that both of those actors are known for
Speaker 2: in their later careers. I think you'd probably agree, wouldn't
Speaker 2: you nail that?
Speaker 3: Why is that thing giving you all positive feedback? And
Speaker 3: there's no you look sort of like a hobo I
Speaker 3: saw on the way to work, or just are you
Speaker 3: all right? Do you have medical professionals you can call?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how long did the doctor tell you
Speaker 3: you had? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 2: One final AI note, Katie mentioned this headline Jeffrey Hinton,
Speaker 2: often called the godfather of AI. He's calling on researchers
Speaker 2: to design systems that will take care of us like
Speaker 2: we're babies, and we all reacted like, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: I need that, but thanks very much. But I read
Speaker 2: what Hinton's reasoning is that's the only way to keep
Speaker 2: them from becoming like our overlords who shred us and
Speaker 2: take our organs for whatever purpose. He's like, we need
Speaker 2: to make machines that are smarter than us to care
Speaker 2: for us like we're there babies. We need to imbue
Speaker 2: them with genuine concern for human well being, otherwise it
Speaker 2: could be really Yeah, so we need to convince AI
Speaker 2: to care about us so they don't, you know, eat us.
Speaker 2: Wow Armstrong and Getty