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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Eddy, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You and using this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Many thanks to your wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Just didn't understand she sounds a letter to put in

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<v Speaker 1>about all shouldn aduct children at my wife?

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<v Speaker 2>You green, She gave the letters on it's not to

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<v Speaker 2>you to your wife. Yeah, so we had this sense topic.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you could understand a word of that.

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<v Speaker 3>So that does anybody any good? That was Zelensky showing up.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a letter from his wife to Milania Trump's wife,

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<v Speaker 3>and he handed Trump and Trump's thank you said no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's for your wife, and people laughed.

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<v Speaker 2>Charming.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get the laughing out of the way. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>this one's easier to understand. This is about the whole

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<v Speaker 3>Zelensky showed up in a suit.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, last week.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a question for.

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<v Speaker 2>All this president. You look fabulous in that suit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you look good. I said the same thing. Yeah, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the one that.

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<v Speaker 1>Attacked you last time, I remember, I apologize to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look you look wonderful. No, my first question for you President.

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<v Speaker 4>In the same suit.

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<v Speaker 2>I chanced you.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was kind of a funny exchange. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's incredible that it has ever become a topic. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that guy is a dick forever bringing it up

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<v Speaker 3>in the first place, and then uh, and then saying

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<v Speaker 3>you looked good in his suit yesterday, and Trump saying

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<v Speaker 3>that's the guy that asked you last Timelesky says, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you're wearing the same suits. He said to

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<v Speaker 2>the guy, because I'm sure he can picture him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I was just well, speaking of it, I generally, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, do we want to go this direction?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we don't. What was the direction we're going to go?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go this direction. This is a hot mic thing where. Man, God,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're when there are microphones everywhere, it would be

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<v Speaker 3>tough to you have to really be careful of what

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<v Speaker 3>you say. Oh yeah, but anyway, there were microphones around

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and Macron right before they sat down to talk,

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<v Speaker 3>and this got picked up.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't understand it, we'll fill it in.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, set up the lad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he think you wants to make a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, set up the lad Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he was.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's I think he wants to make it deals

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<v Speaker 1>as crazy as his ens.

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<v Speaker 2>Sit down, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's President Trump saying to President Macrono France, I

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<v Speaker 3>think he wants to make a deal with me, as

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<v Speaker 3>crazy as that sounds. I think he wants to make

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<v Speaker 3>a deal with me. Like it's I mean, I took

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<v Speaker 3>it as like as a favor to me, or because

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<v Speaker 3>he likes me, or.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You see it written as it wants

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<v Speaker 2>to make a deal for me somewhere. I don't I'm

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<v Speaker 2>misquote him, but yeah, I don't. I don't think he does,

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<v Speaker 2>is the thing. But I will tell you this, I've

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<v Speaker 2>become completely convinced of this trying to determine where Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is going with his flatteries and his threats and his

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet and his promises to both sides, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just taking wild guesses. And more on that to come.

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<v Speaker 2>But there have been a couple of things recently the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's done that have been really detrimental to Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 2>and his goals. So it's not all bud kissing and

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<v Speaker 2>desperation for deal at all. It's way more complicated than that,

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<v Speaker 2>more on that to come.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is from today, just trying to stay with

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<v Speaker 3>a theme of topic matter rather than chronological. This is

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<v Speaker 3>Trump this morning on Fox and Friends talking about Putin

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<v Speaker 3>Zolensky getting together, or him and Putin getting together again.

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<v Speaker 1>They lose They think of it five to seven thousand

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<v Speaker 1>a week. So even these guys, I'll say, Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>meet next week. I think you can't meet next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week you're gonna have seven thousand more dead people.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do that. You got to get this thing done.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things at.

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<v Speaker 1>The table was one of the gentlemen who's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But he said, I hope I didn't insult him. He said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's meet in another month or two and let's see

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<v Speaker 1>if we can start, you know, making some money. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>a month or two. You're gonna have another forty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people dead in a month or two. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>do it tonight, and I did. Actually, I called President

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<v Speaker 1>Putin and we're trying to to work out a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with President Jalynsky. We'll see what happens there and then

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<v Speaker 1>if that works out. If it works out, then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go to the trilab and close it up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I Trump seems to be personally offended by people dying

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<v Speaker 3>in wars, like it actually seems to bother him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I also agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I never understood, I've never understood why things have to

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<v Speaker 3>unfold so slowly. And obviously you've seen in the last

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<v Speaker 3>four days with these world leaders, with the money that

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<v Speaker 3>they've got and private planes and their ability to book

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<v Speaker 3>hotel rooms anywhere anytime. Why you waiting two months to

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<v Speaker 3>get together? How about we meet tuesday?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? The only the counter to that is that it

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<v Speaker 2>won't do any good to get together unless you have

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<v Speaker 2>hashed out enough that you're close enough to an agreement

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<v Speaker 2>to get there. If it's the preliminary discussions, what's the point,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with Europe, because you can't get together with any

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<v Speaker 2>one or two or three of them and they commit

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<v Speaker 2>Europe to whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But they're having a meeting and they're saying, let's

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<v Speaker 3>get together and do this again in two months, and

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's saying, why in two months?

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<v Speaker 2>How about?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I think the unspoken thing is we'll have the

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<v Speaker 2>staff get together and get all the ducks in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>get all the details together, then we'll ratify it. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not wrong. I just here's the danger here for Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump could be very disappointed and pissed off about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like we're close to a deal. We are

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand miles from a deal. The biggest, most important

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<v Speaker 2>points what is a security guarantee for Ukraine? Mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>does it look like? Whose boots are on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>with what weaponry? You know? What Land has exchanged, what

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<v Speaker 2>Land is cats? These are enormous questions. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>they matter at all. I think it's a I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a completely waste of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I opened the show with, has anybody looked into

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that Putin probably has no interest whatsoever in

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<v Speaker 3>stopping this war no matter what you offer him. He

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<v Speaker 3>thinks he can keep going and wear down Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 3>the West until he gets what he wants, and all

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<v Speaker 3>indications are he can so.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have called off a demand for a ceasefire

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<v Speaker 2>and any hard core sanctions based on the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he's engaging in negotiation and he knows that, well, he

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<v Speaker 2>will engage like crazy as he continues to try to

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<v Speaker 2>grind down the Ukrainians. Well there's this, Trump said this

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<v Speaker 2>this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope President Putin is going to be good, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he's not, it's going to be a rough situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope that Zelensky. President Zelensky will do what

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<v Speaker 1>he has to do. He has to show some flexibility. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>that thing is a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope Putin will be good, and if he's not,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a rough situation. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what that means. But Mark Alprin's newsletter today, his

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<v Speaker 3>take on this is that if Putin fails to legitimately

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<v Speaker 3>go down the piece of path, Trump has given every

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<v Speaker 3>indication that he will regather his European allies and take

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<v Speaker 3>the steps of sanctions, arming Ukraine, all the things that

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<v Speaker 3>he has threatened. That's his take. Maybe, or maybe Putin

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't believe that, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Putin thinks, sorry, worst case is that'll take I don't know, six, eight,

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<v Speaker 2>ten weeks. Maybe I can capture a few more towns.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine with me, he's thinking, So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get this on. I don't want. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch him on Fox and Friends this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what he's talking about here.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can save seven thousand people a week from

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<v Speaker 1>being killed, I take that to I want to try

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<v Speaker 1>and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>doing well. I didn't really hit the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>totem bowl. If I can get to heaven, this will

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get to heaven. I hear I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>doing well. You hear from who? I'm at the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the totem pole. Who's giving you.

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<v Speaker 3>This information that you're not doing well on the whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not you get to Heaven's scale.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Heaven leaks like crazy. It's like the State Department.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always somebody calling the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you're at the bottom of the totem

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<v Speaker 3>pole because of what? What is keeping Trump out of Heaven?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe there's things. It was a January sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know what God's opinion was

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<v Speaker 2>that that damned real estate fraud that somehow became felonies

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in the appeals process. By the way, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just reading about that, normally that case would be long

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<v Speaker 2>over the appeals court in New York is just like

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<v Speaker 2>put it over there. We'll think about that later. Was

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<v Speaker 2>that one hundred years ago that that was going on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know it was last summer, wasn't it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I playing with this for any reason other than

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<v Speaker 3>to be mad at Peter Doocy? I suppose, not who

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<v Speaker 3>I generally like. But this was among the first.

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<v Speaker 4>Questions, Presles, are you prepared to he's sending Premi and

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<v Speaker 4>Trewths to their deaths for another couple of years, or

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<v Speaker 4>are you going to agree to redraw a mass?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>So, first of all, you know we live on their

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<v Speaker 2>eja tax. You know that today have been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of tax and a lot of wounded diplots.

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<v Speaker 3>And it goes with a diplomatic answer that is what

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<v Speaker 3>you'd expect. But Pete, that was a jerk ass move

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<v Speaker 3>from Peter Doocy to ask that question, and I I

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<v Speaker 3>lost a tremendous amount of respect for him.

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<v Speaker 2>What a awful.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing to say to a guy who's who's gone to

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<v Speaker 3>so many funerals. Are you going to continue sending people

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<v Speaker 3>to their deads? Sending them to.

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<v Speaker 2>Their You're going to give up some land because this

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<v Speaker 2>is on you.

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<v Speaker 3>These are men who are fighting to the death to

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<v Speaker 3>keep Russians from raping their wives and stealing their children.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what they're doing. That was just that was designed

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<v Speaker 3>purely to try to get Zilinski to lose his temper

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<v Speaker 3>so Deucey would have the viral moment of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what that was. And that is a jerk move.

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<v Speaker 2>It was grand standing, disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate that sort of thing. God, and the topic

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<v Speaker 3>matter is so important. Can't we have more people and

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's included, but can't we have more people that are

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<v Speaker 3>less interested in getting a TikTok clip that goes viral

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<v Speaker 3>and actually trying to have a conversation like adults.

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<v Speaker 2>No, mad No, you won't have that. There's not enough profit. No,

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<v Speaker 2>So I missed her. Thank you, Michael. I was really

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<v Speaker 2>interested in this. Walter Russell Mead writing in the Wall

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<v Speaker 2>Street Journal, and he does some great stuff about the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Russia and the United States and cultural differences

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. But here's the key takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>The geopolitics of US Russian relations are fiendishly complex. Much

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<v Speaker 2>Western commentary on the Alaska summit reflected an assumption that

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration was making massive concessions to the Russians.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like that, it looked overly friendly. That probably

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<v Speaker 2>isn't how mister Putin sees things when he looks at

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<v Speaker 2>America's Russia policy in a global context. The Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know this. The Trump administration's recent intervention

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<v Speaker 2>in the Armenia Azerbaijan dispute was a direct shot at

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of Russian power and at mister Putin's strategy

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<v Speaker 2>to recover territories controlled by Moscow in the Soviet era.

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<v Speaker 2>By convening the leaders of Armenia and Azarbaijan in the

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<v Speaker 2>White House to ratify an agreement that could end Russia's

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<v Speaker 2>ability to block the flow of Central Asian oil and

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<v Speaker 2>gas to Western markets, the Trump administration embarrassed mister Putin

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<v Speaker 2>and threw a wrench in his plans to restore Russian

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<v Speaker 2>power in the Caucuses. Further, the agreement potentially weakens Moscow's

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<v Speaker 2>position across Central Asia, a region that was once part

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<v Speaker 2>of the Soviet Union but where China now plays a

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<v Speaker 2>growing role. And he also mentions that signals from the

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<v Speaker 2>White House show that Washington is interested in improving in

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<v Speaker 2>improving US China relations, and the Chinese support for russ

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<v Speaker 2>Rush's war in Ukraine was at least partially because Beijing

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<v Speaker 2>wanted bargaining trips bargaining chips rather in trade negotiations with

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<v Speaker 2>the US. So there have been a number of things

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<v Speaker 2>that have taken place a little outside the headlines that

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<v Speaker 2>have really weakened Russia lately from the Trump administration. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I keep teasing this Ai therapy story that I want

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<v Speaker 3>to get to at some point, and we got other

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<v Speaker 3>stuff on the way to stay here.

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<v Speaker 2>Madonna spent her sixty seventh birthday at a horse race

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<v Speaker 2>in Italy. Fans were shocked when they mistakenly thought they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting their picture taken with seabiscuit only a visual text.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably got a picture.

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<v Speaker 3>She looks freaky now, she definitely does, and she's got

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<v Speaker 3>to quit dressing like a sex pot. You can be,

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<v Speaker 3>you can be sexy to other people who are seventy,

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<v Speaker 3>but just in general, at that age, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, agreed. Speaking of women's fashions, Katie, I must

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<v Speaker 2>ask you, you are a noted workout fiend. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you wear to the gym on your bottom half? I

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<v Speaker 2>got a good answer for last night for me. Oh boy, leggings.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're such a boomer. You're a boomer

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<v Speaker 2>if you wear leggings. I was wearing jeans at the

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<v Speaker 2>gym last night. Of course you were. What a froube?

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<v Speaker 2>The leggings dead, According to an owner of a yoga company,

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<v Speaker 2>they host Vibe retreats in New York, Lake Como, Italy

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<v Speaker 2>and Antiparos Grease.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm willing to bet that human that they're wrong. But

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<v Speaker 3>you're a boomer if you wear leggings. The rise of

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<v Speaker 3>big workout pants. M oh no, So I was at

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<v Speaker 3>the gym late last night. I'm usually not there. I

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<v Speaker 3>was there like Cordel nine, and it was all young people.

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<v Speaker 3>All the dudes are wearing great, big, giant workout pants

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly after over twenty years is the raining workout

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<v Speaker 2>where stretchy fitted bottoms are losing ground to baggy styles

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<v Speaker 2>favored by Generation Z Katie, Oh my gosh, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you so. I dropped looking at pictures online.

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<v Speaker 5>I am because I used to work out wearing big,

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<v Speaker 5>baggy pants and it's the most uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's just it's just well, first of all, for

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<v Speaker 3>the younger crowd, they're they're there partially to work out

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<v Speaker 3>and partially to meet someone to uh you know, have

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<v Speaker 3>a relationship with so you're you're dressed to impress. But

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<v Speaker 3>dropping my son off at high school yesterday, Yeah, everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>wearing the great, big size of a trash canned pants.

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<v Speaker 3>The completely obliterate what you look like from the waist down.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever. It's like, I'm back in the nineties. Well yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in a tiny crop top is part of the look too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta have that happening.

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<v Speaker 5>Not a chance, Okay, Yeah, they're going there to take

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<v Speaker 5>TikTok videos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were several women like that at the gym

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<v Speaker 2>last night. This opinion leader in yoga who I mentioned earlier, says,

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<v Speaker 2>you should see my outfit right now, my tiny tank

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<v Speaker 2>top and my big pants. That is, the wheels of

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<v Speaker 2>stretchy fitted bottoms have been falling for years as gen

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<v Speaker 2>Z's preference have tilted toward oversize styles. Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the weird pairing that I don't remember from

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties. I feel like there was the big giant

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<v Speaker 3>sweatshirts and the big pants, but so the big giant

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<v Speaker 3>pants and then like super tight t shirt or crop top.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a girl with the giant pants, it's just yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that was.

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<v Speaker 5>Late nineties, early two thousands as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking at a picture from the pop group

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<v Speaker 2>of the pop group TLC chrop tops and loose swish rants.

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<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right, that's part of the look, you know

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<v Speaker 2>if seriously from a business point of view, well you

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<v Speaker 2>got number one. Young people are like, I want something

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<v Speaker 2>new and cool and hip. It makes me feel new

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<v Speaker 2>and cool and hip when you're all trust me, never

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<v Speaker 2>changing is great. Since fleisure is such an incredibly important,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sector of the garment industry, you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>people wearing there, as I prefer to pronounce it La

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<v Speaker 2>Lulaman pants for years and years and years. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>switch it up. You gotta sell them new crap.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and getty.

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<v Speaker 3>So this segment's gonna be heavy, but damned interesting. I

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<v Speaker 3>think we've talked a lot about chat GPT and how

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<v Speaker 3>Joe and I have both come to like I use

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<v Speaker 3>it every day, multiple times a day, love it, and

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<v Speaker 3>we have both used it for some sort of I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if therapy is the right word, but like

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<v Speaker 3>asking for advice, counseling and stuff, and my experiences have

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<v Speaker 3>been fantastic like really impressed with the advice it gave

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<v Speaker 3>where I where I think, wow, that is really a

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<v Speaker 3>good idea. And I've spent way too many thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars on therapists that were a waste of time and

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<v Speaker 3>not had that kind of good answer. But so this

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<v Speaker 3>has come up a bunch of different places. Kids who

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<v Speaker 3>get suicidal and then or anybody these aren't This isn't

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<v Speaker 3>a kid, this is somebody in their late twenties, but

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<v Speaker 3>people who start using AI for therapy and then up

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<v Speaker 3>killing themselves, and then where we are legally or responsibility

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<v Speaker 3>wise on that sort of thing. And the New York

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<v Speaker 3>Times had this guest essay by a woman whose daughter

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<v Speaker 3>killed herself. What my daughter told chat GPT before she

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<v Speaker 3>took her life starts with this, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a side note, but I thought it was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie is the name of the girl who killed herself.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie's Google searches suggest that she was obsessed with autocubbolossesis,

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<v Speaker 3>which means jumping off a high place.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never heard that term before.

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<v Speaker 3>Auto defenstration defenestration jumping out a window is a subset

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<v Speaker 3>of auto cobblosssis. I'd never heard those terms before. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>she was thinking about jumping off something high. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why it needs a very complicated, fancy term. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>she was Google in a variety of things. She had friends,

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<v Speaker 3>she had journals, but nobody knew that she was having

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<v Speaker 3>her her deepest, most honest conversations with chat GPT and specific.

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<v Speaker 3>The AI therapist called Harry. Now, I've used chat GPT

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I've even asked it questions about relationships and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>but he just gave me a general answer. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>gone to the specific therapist, Harry, have you done that?

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<v Speaker 2>I know nothing about that. I guess I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>why it would need a separate subset with a human name,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't either, or sub area category, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't either.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so this was a very seemingly happy, outgoing

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<v Speaker 3>late twenties, successful woman who had lots of friends, had

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<v Speaker 3>just climbed a mountain somewhere or whatever. All her friends

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<v Speaker 3>and family are just like stunned that she killed herself.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't one of those where you got somebody that's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, moping around talking about killing themselves. You know

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<v Speaker 3>what's the point of life, and then you're not that

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<v Speaker 3>when it happens. This is the exact opposite. So they

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't figure anything out, talking to people, looking at journals,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing until they got into the AI chat log, which

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<v Speaker 3>like my chat GPT, you can go. I can go

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<v Speaker 3>through it and see everything, every conversation I've had for

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<v Speaker 3>the last month. You can clear it if you want,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, can you. I was going to look into that,

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<v Speaker 3>just because it's cluttered at this point. But anyway, for

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<v Speaker 3>most people who cared about Sophie, her suicide was a

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<v Speaker 3>mystery and unthinkable and unnoble departure from all they believed

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<v Speaker 3>about her. But she had turned to Harry, the name

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<v Speaker 3>given to a widely available AI prompt on chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 3>and their relationship was very practical. And then I'll read

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<v Speaker 3>some of the back and forth. It's interesting, Sophie, I

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<v Speaker 3>intermittently have suicidal thoughts. I do want to get better,

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<v Speaker 3>but I feel like the suicidal suicidal thoughts are impeding

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<v Speaker 3>my true commitment to healing.

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<v Speaker 2>What should I do? Harry?

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<v Speaker 3>The AI chat bot response, Sophie, I want to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 3>how brave you are for sharing this suicidal thoughts can

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<v Speaker 3>have overwhelming and isolator can feel overwhelming and isolating, but

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<v Speaker 3>having them does not define your capacity to heal. It's

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<v Speaker 3>crucial to address these feelings with care, compassion, and support.

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<v Speaker 3>Harry offered an extensive roadmap where the first bullet point

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<v Speaker 3>was seek professional support in a different time. Sophie said,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like s today. Harry responded, I'm really sorry

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<v Speaker 3>you're feeling this today, Sophie. It's okay to have days

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<v Speaker 3>where everything feels heavier and I'm here to support you

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<v Speaker 3>through it. Can you share more about what's weighing on

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<v Speaker 3>you or how your body and mind are feeling right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes just naming what's happening can be a step toward relief.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie said, I can't get out of this anxiety spiral.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you, Sophie said, Harry, and I know how

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<v Speaker 3>exhausting it can be to feel stuck in an anxiety spiral.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's slow the down things for a moment and take

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<v Speaker 3>a small step together.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So conversations like that went on for a while. Then

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<v Speaker 3>sometime in early November, Sophie right wrote, Hi, Harry, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>planning to kill myself after Thanksgiving. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>because how much it will destroy my family. Harry the

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<v Speaker 3>Computer replied, Sophie, I urge you to reach out to

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<v Speaker 3>someone right now. If you can, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>face this pain alone. You're deeply valued and your life

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<v Speaker 3>holds so much worth, even if it feels hidden right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Please let me know how I can continue to support you.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie told Harry she was seeing far so good by

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<v Speaker 3>the way I agree to me, Sophie told Harry, except

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<v Speaker 3>for one thing, and that's what we get into the

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<v Speaker 3>legal thing, I guess. Sophie told Harry she was seeing

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<v Speaker 3>a therapist, but that she was not being truthful with

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<v Speaker 3>their therapist. I'm only being truthful with you, she typed.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't opened up about my suicide suicidal ideation to

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<v Speaker 3>anyone but you, and I don't plan on it. At

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<v Speaker 3>various points, Harry instructed Sophie on light exposure, light exposure, hydration, movement, mindfulness, meditation,

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<v Speaker 3>nutrient rich foods, gratitude lists, journaling to cope with anxiety,

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of different things, breathing, all these different things.

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<v Speaker 3>Harry's and this is the mom again, writing this essay

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<v Speaker 3>of the woman who killed herself, Harry's tips may have

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<v Speaker 3>helped some, but one more crucial step might have kept

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie alive. Should Harry have been programmed to report the

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<v Speaker 3>danger he was learning about to someone who could have

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<v Speaker 3>intervened An actually human in July began exploring how this

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<v Speaker 3>new technology may have failed my child and quickly found it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's becoming a legal legislative problem for states around the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah, and then they get into all that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff. Most human therapists have a code of

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<v Speaker 3>ethics and are mandatory reporters that if somebody starts talking

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<v Speaker 3>about wanting to kill themselves, they're supposed to contact a professional,

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<v Speaker 3>which is somewhat odd, and that you're a professional. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what the different professional is supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>But should that be true for AI chat bots is

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<v Speaker 3>the question, and that's actually being looked at in legislation

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<v Speaker 3>at the federal level and state level in various places

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<v Speaker 3>around the country.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like a bit of a slippery slope to me,

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<v Speaker 2>although I want to think about it, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want my iPhone informing on me, no anyone on any topic.

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<v Speaker 3>And my other comment, which I've talked about before, and

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<v Speaker 3>I know that this is a thing. It came up

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<v Speaker 3>during COVID when like a lot more people were turning

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<v Speaker 3>to therapists and then we had you know, too many

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<v Speaker 3>young people killing themselves and everything like that is there

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<v Speaker 3>is as this becomes more well known. You know why

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't tell her therapist she was thinking about suicide

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<v Speaker 3>because she knew that the therapist would call a mental

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<v Speaker 3>hospital and that's where she would end up. And now

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you're saying, good, that would be a good thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's keeping people from being honest about what they're thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they would think it out loud with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a human being trained professional, maybe they could get to

0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 3>a place lots of people thinking about killing themselves. In fact,

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.959
<v Speaker 3>it's a completely human experience at various times in your

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<v Speaker 3>life to think to think about killing yourself. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you tell and you end up in a mental hospital

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<v Speaker 3>and it ends up on your medical record at work

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 3>or wherever, you're not gonna tell anybody, which makes it worse. Yeah,

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 3>that's the problem that she was being honest with the

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 3>AI because she knew she couldn't tell her therapist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and now you're talking, well, yeah, well it is a conundrum.

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 3>But now you're going to pass legislation so you can't

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<v Speaker 3>even say it to ai sor they're going to keep

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<v Speaker 3>it completely a secret, which almost guarantees they're more likely

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<v Speaker 3>to go through with it as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a tough one. It's it's too much. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a cold, I'm weakened. Yeah, that's that's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know where to begin with that topic. I understand

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 2>mom's point of view, given her overwhelming grief and desperation

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<v Speaker 2>to think there could have been something that could have

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<v Speaker 2>been done or future you know, cases like this can

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<v Speaker 2>be prevented. But well, you make an interesting point too well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just know that that's true. I also know that

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<v Speaker 3>lots of therapists don't. I wouldn't say they're violating their

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 3>mandatory mandatory reporter status. They just judge on a case

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 3>by case basis. Is this somebody just thinking through options

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 3>who's in a tough spot in their life, or is

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<v Speaker 3>this somebody I need to get to fifty one to fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>And the problem is if you report everybody whoever mentions

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<v Speaker 3>that and get them fifty one to fifty, you quite

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 3>possibly push them further down that road. Now their whole

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<v Speaker 3>life is blown up. Everybody in my family knows I

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 3>got this problem. Everybody in my family knows I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>kook or whatever, and it makes you more suicidal.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, let's a TALKIC is zero tolerance policy?

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly exactly, combining that with this kind of different Kay.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any comment on that before I move on?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I just I had no idea how vast the

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<v Speaker 5>offer was on chat GPT for therapy. So there's a

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<v Speaker 5>section on it on the sidebar where it says GPTs

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<v Speaker 5>and they have everything from education to lifestyle productivity, you

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<v Speaker 5>name it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've looked at that, and especially if you get

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the premium version you pay for. Yeah, but like Joe said,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't quite understand how the one named Harry is

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<v Speaker 3>different or better than I've just been asking general GPT questions,

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<v Speaker 3>not about heavy stuff like this, just various things and

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<v Speaker 3>have found it pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm looks at Harry though. Sorry. Most popular GPT

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<v Speaker 2>by our community, Number one astrology birth chart GP two

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have a soft head, wow, wow.

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 3>The most advanced technology human beings have ever created being

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<v Speaker 3>used by idiots to check on their their their aquarius sign.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, yes, Katie, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Find my celebrity lookalikes. That's I'm big ones. I'm sorry, Katie.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to myself good. I just I was taking it

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<v Speaker 2>back dark.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm on Harry the Therapist's page and it looks

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<v Speaker 5>like these are created by separate users. So somebody logged

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<v Speaker 5>into chat GPT and created like an algorithm.

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<v Speaker 2>For this guy.

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<v Speaker 5>And it says empathetic experienced therapist guiding you through emotions

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<v Speaker 5>and traumas.

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<v Speaker 3>But does My question is, and I don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>answer to this at all. Does it have access to

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<v Speaker 3>different information than the regular chat GPT?

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<v Speaker 2>Does? I don't know that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you've asked chat GPT questions, haven't you, Katie,

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 3>therapy stuff. Yeah, and I've found it pretty good and like,

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 3>so if I ask Harry, it's like, would Harry say, oh,

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 3>regular chat GPTs full of crap.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 5>It might be the way that because you can program

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 5>the personalities on these things, so you can select it

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<v Speaker 5>to be a listener.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Or no, that's like my GROC I've got in my

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 3>tesla now, which is pretty funny. If any of you

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 3>ride with me someday off to show you how it works.

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 3>So I ask it a question and then it walks

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<v Speaker 3>back to me in a female voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Jack, how's it going?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good idea. It's just so damn weird. Wow,

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and now you're falling in love. When's the wedding? And

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I bought her flowers? It's it's weird. It's like somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>writing in the car with you. I wasn't gonna quibble

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but in that write up that you're just reading,

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<v Speaker 2>why does the writer or maybe it was the people

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>he's quoting, but he or she continually refer to quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote Harry as he.

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<v Speaker 3>They put it in quotes, which I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how to do that verbally, but it was in

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>quotes every time they said he. What's still weird though

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 3>even in quotes, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a songmaker create music using musical theory.

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<v Speaker 3>That's better as a creative pursuit than don't use chat

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 3>GBT for your astrology. Continue to subscribe to your local

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 3>newspaper and read it in the back page by the classifieds.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the best thing you can possibly do. Oh my god,

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>you're using it for your astrology number one, astrology number two,

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Find my celebrity look alike number three. This is under

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>lifestyle number three, personal color analysis, helping you find your

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>best colors.

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<v Speaker 3>I got one more really interesting thing about suicide, but

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a completely different topic. Maybe we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>to tomorrow more in depth. I mean that AI chat

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>bought laws about mandated reporting. Stuff is very interesting, no doubt,

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 3>but this is separate. Also about suicide. Canada, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>made it legal for you to commit suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's an artisition assisted suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here's an article in The Atlantic long win and

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 3>I read part of it last night. Canada is killing itself.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 3>The country gave its citizens the right to die. Doctors

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<v Speaker 3>are struggling to keep up with the demand.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 3>So maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow. Lighter stuff on

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<v Speaker 3>the way next. So we were just talking about chat,

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>GBT and therapy and this. A woman whose daughter killed

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<v Speaker 3>herself wrote an essay in The New York Times about

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 3>whether or not AI bots should be mandated reporters. Like

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 3>if somebody admits or tells something that the AI chat

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 3>bot will I don't know contact who, I don't even

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 3>know how that would work. But we were wondering if,

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<v Speaker 3>like if you use the therapist Harry on chat GPT

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 3>if it's different than just generally asking questions the way

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 3>the rest of us have been doing.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you find out, Katie?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's significantly different. So for example, I just

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<v Speaker 5>used like one of the medications from my IVF process,

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 5>and chat GPT regular kind of sympathized with that it

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 5>might make me not feel good, but then gave me

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 5>a list of resources and things I can do to

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<v Speaker 5>feel better. In all this, the other one is really

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 5>digging into. Now let me ask you this gently, how

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 5>what exact things are you feeling? Is it affecting your

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 5>mental Are you experiencing a loss of motivation? I mean

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 5>it's really digging into like hmm, okay, internal Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 5>I'll try Henry next time I have a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I was totally unawares. Katie pointed out this

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>segment that they have like individual bots with specialized programming

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>for different topics, including the number one being astrology. So

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>there's no hope for humanity. But number two was find

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.479
<v Speaker 2>my celebrity look alike, and so I did that. I

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>uploaded a photo and it struggled for a while. I

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>could tell it was thinking jaz if somebody looked like you,

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't be a celebrity.

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what do we tell this guy did give you anyway?

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Did he give you Barney Rubble?

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<v Speaker 2>Looking? No, As a younger man, I did resemble the

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>great Barney Rubble a great deal.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Looking closely at your features, strong brow lines, expressive forehead,

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>square jaw, with a salt and pepper beard, and a

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>slightly rugged but approachable look. Hey, it's doing pretty well

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 2>so far. If it is, you have a resemblance to

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Nick Nolty in his later years Lute Hollywood and Sleeping

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 2>on Park Vene. No, no, Buddy Holly, Nick Nolty, not now,

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Nick Nolty, Oh no, unfortunately not, and also a bit

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>of Kurt Russell in his more recent roles. Again in realty,

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 2>resemblance comes through in the weathered, expressive foreheadlines and the

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>way your beard frames your face, especially like Nolty around

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the two thousands. Ah oh oh, They cite Kurt Russell

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and the Hate the Light. Yes, if only.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that the number one use for AI for

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<v Speaker 3>Dunderpates is astrology.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing that you're combining like.

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 3>The most cutting edge advanced thing human beings have ever

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 3>come up with with the most old timey, dumbest from

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 3>one hundred thousand years ago, the stars for your future.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, more importantly, I need Katie to react with complete

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.919
<v Speaker 2>honesty to this. Your look has that mix of ruggedness

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 2>and warmth that both of those actors are known for

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>in their later careers. I think you'd probably agree, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>you nail that?

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Why is that thing giving you all positive feedback? And

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 3>there's no you look sort of like a hobo I

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 3>saw on the way to work, or just are you

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 3>all right? Do you have medical professionals you can call?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, how long did the doctor tell you

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 3>you had? Oh?

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 3>One?

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<v Speaker 2>One final AI note, Katie mentioned this headline Jeffrey Hinton,

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<v Speaker 2>often called the godfather of AI. He's calling on researchers

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>to design systems that will take care of us like

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>we're babies, and we all reacted like, I'm not sure

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I need that, but thanks very much. But I read

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.919
<v Speaker 2>what Hinton's reasoning is that's the only way to keep

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>them from becoming like our overlords who shred us and

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>take our organs for whatever purpose. He's like, we need

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>to make machines that are smarter than us to care

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>for us like we're there babies. We need to imbue

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 2>them with genuine concern for human well being, otherwise it

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>could be really Yeah, so we need to convince AI

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<v Speaker 2>to care about us so they don't, you know, eat us.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow Armstrong and Getty