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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Eddy, thank.

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Speaker 1: You and using this opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Many thanks to your wife.

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Speaker 1: Just didn't understand she sounds a letter to put in

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Speaker 1: about all shouldn aduct children at my wife?

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Speaker 2: You green, She gave the letters on it's not to

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Speaker 2: you to your wife. Yeah, so we had this sense topic.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you could understand a word of that.

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Speaker 3: So that does anybody any good? That was Zelensky showing up.

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Speaker 3: He had a letter from his wife to Milania Trump's wife,

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Speaker 3: and he handed Trump and Trump's thank you said no, no,

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Speaker 3: it's for your wife, and people laughed.

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Speaker 2: Charming.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the laughing out of the way. I hope

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Speaker 3: this one's easier to understand. This is about the whole

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Speaker 3: Zelensky showed up in a suit.

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Speaker 2: Finally, last week.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for.

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Speaker 2: All this president. You look fabulous in that suit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you look good. I said the same thing. Yeah, I said,

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Speaker 2: the one that.

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Speaker 1: Attacked you last time, I remember, I apologize to you.

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Speaker 2: Look you look wonderful. No, my first question for you President.

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Speaker 4: In the same suit.

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Speaker 2: I chanced you.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was kind of a funny exchange. It's

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Speaker 3: it's incredible that it has ever become a topic. I

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Speaker 3: think that guy is a dick forever bringing it up

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Speaker 3: in the first place, and then uh, and then saying

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Speaker 3: you looked good in his suit yesterday, and Trump saying

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Speaker 3: that's the guy that asked you last Timelesky says, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember you're wearing the same suits. He said to

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Speaker 2: the guy, because I'm sure he can picture him.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was just well, speaking of it, I generally, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, do we want to go this direction?

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Speaker 3: Maybe we don't. What was the direction we're going to go?

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Speaker 3: Let's go this direction. This is a hot mic thing where. Man, God,

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Speaker 3: when you're when there are microphones everywhere, it would be

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Speaker 3: tough to you have to really be careful of what

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Speaker 3: you say. Oh yeah, but anyway, there were microphones around

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Speaker 3: Trump and Macron right before they sat down to talk,

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Speaker 3: and this got picked up.

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Speaker 2: If you can't understand it, we'll fill it in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, set up the lad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he think you wants to make a deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, set up the lad Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think he was.

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Speaker 1: So that's I think he wants to make it deals

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Speaker 1: as crazy as his ens.

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Speaker 2: Sit down, everybody.

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Speaker 3: So that's President Trump saying to President Macrono France, I

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Speaker 3: think he wants to make a deal with me, as

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Speaker 3: crazy as that sounds. I think he wants to make

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Speaker 3: a deal with me. Like it's I mean, I took

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Speaker 3: it as like as a favor to me, or because

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Speaker 3: he likes me, or.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You see it written as it wants

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Speaker 2: to make a deal for me somewhere. I don't I'm

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Speaker 2: misquote him, but yeah, I don't. I don't think he does,

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Speaker 2: is the thing. But I will tell you this, I've

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Speaker 2: become completely convinced of this trying to determine where Trump

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Speaker 2: red carpet and his promises to both sides, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: You're just taking wild guesses. And more on that to come.

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Speaker 2: But there have been a couple of things recently the

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Speaker 2: Trump's done that have been really detrimental to Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 2: and his goals. So it's not all bud kissing and

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Speaker 2: desperation for deal at all. It's way more complicated than that,

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Speaker 2: more on that to come.

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Speaker 3: So this is from today, just trying to stay with

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Speaker 3: a theme of topic matter rather than chronological. This is

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Speaker 3: Trump this morning on Fox and Friends talking about Putin

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Speaker 3: Zolensky getting together, or him and Putin getting together again.

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Speaker 1: They lose They think of it five to seven thousand

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Speaker 1: a week. So even these guys, I'll say, Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: meet next week. I think you can't meet next week.

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Speaker 1: Next week you're gonna have seven thousand more dead people.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that. You got to get this thing done.

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Speaker 2: One of the things at.

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Speaker 1: The table was one of the gentlemen who's a great guy.

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Speaker 1: But he said, I hope I didn't insult him. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: let's meet in another month or two and let's see

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Speaker 1: if we can start, you know, making some money. He said,

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Speaker 1: a month or two. You're gonna have another forty thousand

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Speaker 1: do it tonight, and I did. Actually, I called President

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Speaker 1: Putin and we're trying to to work out a meeting

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Speaker 1: if that works out. If it works out, then I'll

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Speaker 1: go to the trilab and close it up.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I Trump seems to be personally offended by people dying

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Speaker 3: in wars, like it actually seems to bother him.

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Speaker 2: And then I also agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I never understood, I've never understood why things have to

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Speaker 3: unfold so slowly. And obviously you've seen in the last

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Speaker 3: four days with these world leaders, with the money that

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Speaker 3: they've got and private planes and their ability to book

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Speaker 3: hotel rooms anywhere anytime. Why you waiting two months to

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Speaker 3: get together? How about we meet tuesday?

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Speaker 2: Well? The only the counter to that is that it

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Speaker 2: won't do any good to get together unless you have

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Speaker 2: to get there. If it's the preliminary discussions, what's the point,

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Speaker 2: especially with Europe, because you can't get together with any

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Speaker 3: Right, But they're having a meeting and they're saying, let's

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Speaker 3: get together and do this again in two months, and

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Speaker 3: Trump's saying, why in two months?

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Speaker 2: How about?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Right? I think the unspoken thing is we'll have the

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Speaker 2: staff get together and get all the ducks in a row,

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Speaker 2: get all the details together, then we'll ratify it. You're

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Speaker 2: not wrong. I just here's the danger here for Trump,

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Speaker 2: and Trump could be very disappointed and pissed off about this.

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Speaker 2: It seems like we're close to a deal. We are

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Speaker 2: a thousand miles from a deal. The biggest, most important

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Speaker 2: points what is a security guarantee for Ukraine? Mean, what

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Speaker 2: does it look like? Whose boots are on the ground

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Speaker 2: with what weaponry? You know? What Land has exchanged, what

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Speaker 2: Land is cats? These are enormous questions. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: they matter at all. I think it's a I think

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Speaker 2: it's a completely waste of time.

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Speaker 3: Like I opened the show with, has anybody looked into

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Speaker 3: the fact that Putin probably has no interest whatsoever in

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Speaker 3: stopping this war no matter what you offer him. He

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Speaker 2: And we have called off a demand for a ceasefire

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Speaker 2: and any hard core sanctions based on the fact that

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Speaker 2: he's engaging in negotiation and he knows that, well, he

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Speaker 2: grind down the Ukrainians. Well there's this, Trump said this

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 1: I hope President Putin is going to be good, and

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Speaker 1: if he's not, it's going to be a rough situation.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that Zelensky. President Zelensky will do what

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Speaker 1: he has to do. He has to show some flexibility. Also,

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Speaker 3: I hope Putin will be good, and if he's not,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a rough situation. I don't know

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Speaker 3: exactly what that means. But Mark Alprin's newsletter today, his

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Speaker 3: take on this is that if Putin fails to legitimately

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Speaker 3: indication that he will regather his European allies and take

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Speaker 3: the steps of sanctions, arming Ukraine, all the things that

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Speaker 3: he has threatened. That's his take. Maybe, or maybe Putin

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Speaker 2: Putin thinks, sorry, worst case is that'll take I don't know, six, eight,

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Speaker 2: ten weeks. Maybe I can capture a few more towns.

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Speaker 2: That's fine with me, he's thinking, So I want to

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Speaker 2: get this on. I don't want. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch him on Fox and Friends this morning.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking about here.

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Speaker 1: If I can save seven thousand people a week from

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Speaker 1: being killed, I take that to I want to try

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Speaker 1: and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing well. I didn't really hit the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: be one of the reasons.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to heaven. I hear I'm not

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Speaker 2: doing well. You hear from who? I'm at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the totem pole. Who's giving you.

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Speaker 3: This information that you're not doing well on the whether

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Speaker 3: or not you get to Heaven's scale.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Heaven leaks like crazy. It's like the State Department.

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Speaker 2: There's always somebody calling the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you're at the bottom of the totem

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Speaker 3: pole because of what? What is keeping Trump out of Heaven?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what God's opinion was

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Speaker 2: that that damned real estate fraud that somehow became felonies

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Speaker 2: put it over there. We'll think about that later. Was

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Speaker 2: that one hundred years ago that that was going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know it was last summer, wasn't it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Am I playing with this for any reason other than

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Speaker 3: to be mad at Peter Doocy? I suppose, not who

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Speaker 3: I generally like. But this was among the first.

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Speaker 4: Questions, Presles, are you prepared to he's sending Premi and

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Speaker 4: Trewths to their deaths for another couple of years, or

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Speaker 4: are you going to agree to redraw a mass?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your questions.

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, you know we live on their

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Speaker 2: eja tax. You know that today have been a lot

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Speaker 3: And it goes with a diplomatic answer that is what

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Speaker 3: you'd expect. But Pete, that was a jerk ass move

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Speaker 3: from Peter Doocy to ask that question, and I I

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Speaker 3: lost a tremendous amount of respect for him.

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Speaker 2: What a awful.

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Speaker 3: Thing to say to a guy who's who's gone to

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Speaker 3: so many funerals. Are you going to continue sending people

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Speaker 2: Their You're going to give up some land because this

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Speaker 3: These are men who are fighting to the death to

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Speaker 3: keep Russians from raping their wives and stealing their children.

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Speaker 3: That's what they're doing. That was just that was designed

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Speaker 3: purely to try to get Zilinski to lose his temper

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Speaker 3: so Deucey would have the viral moment of the day.

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Speaker 2: That's what that was. And that is a jerk move.

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Speaker 2: It was grand standing, disgusting.

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Speaker 3: I hate that sort of thing. God, and the topic

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Speaker 3: matter is so important. Can't we have more people and

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Speaker 3: Trump's included, but can't we have more people that are

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Speaker 3: less interested in getting a TikTok clip that goes viral

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Speaker 2: No, mad No, you won't have that. There's not enough profit. No,

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Speaker 2: So I missed her. Thank you, Michael. I was really

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Speaker 2: interested in this. Walter Russell Mead writing in the Wall

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Speaker 3: It's becoming a legal legislative problem for states around the country.

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00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, and then they get into all that

436
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. Most human therapists have a code of

437
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: ethics and are mandatory reporters that if somebody starts talking

438
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: about wanting to kill themselves, they're supposed to contact a professional,

439
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: which is somewhat odd, and that you're a professional. I

440
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 3: don't know what the different professional is supposed to do.

441
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: But should that be true for AI chat bots is

442
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: the question, and that's actually being looked at in legislation

443
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: at the federal level and state level in various places

444
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Speaker 3: around the country.

445
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: It feels like a bit of a slippery slope to me,

446
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: although I want to think about it, well, I don't

447
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: want my iPhone informing on me, no anyone on any topic.

448
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: And my other comment, which I've talked about before, and

449
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: I know that this is a thing. It came up

450
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: during COVID when like a lot more people were turning

451
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 3: to therapists and then we had you know, too many

452
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: young people killing themselves and everything like that is there

453
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: is as this becomes more well known. You know why

454
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: she didn't tell her therapist she was thinking about suicide

455
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: because she knew that the therapist would call a mental

456
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: hospital and that's where she would end up. And now

457
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: maybe you're saying, good, that would be a good thing,

458
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: but it's keeping people from being honest about what they're thinking.

459
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: And if they would think it out loud with you know,

460
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: a human being trained professional, maybe they could get to

461
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: a place lots of people thinking about killing themselves. In fact,

462
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 3: it's a completely human experience at various times in your

463
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: life to think to think about killing yourself. But if

464
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: you tell and you end up in a mental hospital

465
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: and it ends up on your medical record at work

466
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: or wherever, you're not gonna tell anybody, which makes it worse. Yeah,

467
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: that's the problem that she was being honest with the

468
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: AI because she knew she couldn't tell her therapist. Yeah,

469
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: and now you're talking, well, yeah, well it is a conundrum.

470
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: But now you're going to pass legislation so you can't

471
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Speaker 3: even say it to ai sor they're going to keep

472
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: it completely a secret, which almost guarantees they're more likely

473
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Speaker 3: to go through with it as far as I know.

474
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a tough one. It's it's too much. I

475
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: have a cold, I'm weakened. Yeah, that's that's I don't

476
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: even know where to begin with that topic. I understand

477
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: mom's point of view, given her overwhelming grief and desperation

478
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: to think there could have been something that could have

479
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: been done or future you know, cases like this can

480
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Speaker 2: be prevented. But well, you make an interesting point too well,

481
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

482
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 3: I just know that that's true. I also know that

483
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 3: lots of therapists don't. I wouldn't say they're violating their

484
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: mandatory mandatory reporter status. They just judge on a case

485
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: by case basis. Is this somebody just thinking through options

486
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: who's in a tough spot in their life, or is

487
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: this somebody I need to get to fifty one to fifty.

488
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: And the problem is if you report everybody whoever mentions

489
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: that and get them fifty one to fifty, you quite

490
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: possibly push them further down that road. Now their whole

491
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: life is blown up. Everybody in my family knows I

492
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: got this problem. Everybody in my family knows I'm a

493
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: kook or whatever, and it makes you more suicidal.

494
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, let's a TALKIC is zero tolerance policy?

495
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, combining that with this kind of different Kay.

496
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Speaker 2: Do you have any comment on that before I move on?

497
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Speaker 5: Well, I just I had no idea how vast the

498
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 5: offer was on chat GPT for therapy. So there's a

499
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: section on it on the sidebar where it says GPTs

500
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: and they have everything from education to lifestyle productivity, you

501
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 5: name it.

502
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've looked at that, and especially if you get

503
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: the premium version you pay for. Yeah, but like Joe said,

504
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: I don't quite understand how the one named Harry is

505
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: different or better than I've just been asking general GPT questions,

506
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: not about heavy stuff like this, just various things and

507
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: have found it pretty good.

508
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: So I'm looks at Harry though. Sorry. Most popular GPT

509
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: by our community, Number one astrology birth chart GP two

510
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: So if you have a soft head, wow, wow.

511
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: The most advanced technology human beings have ever created being

512
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: used by idiots to check on their their their aquarius sign.

513
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, Katie, I.

514
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: Find my celebrity lookalikes. That's I'm big ones. I'm sorry, Katie.

515
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Back to myself good. I just I was taking it

516
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: back dark.

517
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: But I'm on Harry the Therapist's page and it looks

518
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: like these are created by separate users. So somebody logged

519
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 5: into chat GPT and created like an algorithm.

520
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: For this guy.

521
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 5: And it says empathetic experienced therapist guiding you through emotions

522
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 5: and traumas.

523
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: But does My question is, and I don't know the

524
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: answer to this at all. Does it have access to

525
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: different information than the regular chat GPT?

526
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: Does? I don't know that. I don't know.

527
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: I mean you've asked chat GPT questions, haven't you, Katie,

528
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: therapy stuff. Yeah, and I've found it pretty good and like,

529
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: so if I ask Harry, it's like, would Harry say, oh,

530
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: regular chat GPTs full of crap.

531
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Speaker 2: Here's what you need to do.

532
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 5: It might be the way that because you can program

533
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 5: the personalities on these things, so you can select it

534
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 5: to be a listener.

535
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: Or no, that's like my GROC I've got in my

536
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: tesla now, which is pretty funny. If any of you

537
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: ride with me someday off to show you how it works.

538
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: So I ask it a question and then it walks

539
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: back to me in a female voice.

540
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: Hey, Jack, how's it going?

541
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 1: Oh?

542
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. It's just so damn weird. Wow,

543
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: and now you're falling in love. When's the wedding? And

544
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: I bought her flowers? It's it's weird. It's like somebody's

545
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: writing in the car with you. I wasn't gonna quibble

546
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: about it, but in that write up that you're just reading,

547
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: why does the writer or maybe it was the people

548
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: he's quoting, but he or she continually refer to quote

549
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: unquote Harry as he.

550
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: They put it in quotes, which I don't I don't

551
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: know how to do that verbally, but it was in

552
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: quotes every time they said he. What's still weird though

553
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: even in quotes, it's weird.

554
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: There's a songmaker create music using musical theory.

555
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: That's better as a creative pursuit than don't use chat

556
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: GBT for your astrology. Continue to subscribe to your local

557
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: newspaper and read it in the back page by the classifieds.

558
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: It's the best thing you can possibly do. Oh my god,

559
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: you're using it for your astrology number one, astrology number two,

560
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: Find my celebrity look alike number three. This is under

561
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: lifestyle number three, personal color analysis, helping you find your

562
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: best colors.

563
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: I got one more really interesting thing about suicide, but

564
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565
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566
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Speaker 3: home every day, I'm happy to see that sign I

567
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: got out front alerting people that I got the AI

568
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: powered cameras, the sensors on all the doors and windows.

569
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Speaker 3: If someone's lurking, agents can talk to them in real time,

570
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Speaker 3: turn on spotlights, call the police, proactively determining a deterring

571
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Speaker 3: crime before it starts.

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582
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Speaker 3: So this is a completely different topic. Maybe we'll get

583
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: to tomorrow more in depth. I mean that AI chat

584
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: bought laws about mandated reporting. Stuff is very interesting, no doubt,

585
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: but this is separate. Also about suicide. Canada, as you know,

586
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: made it legal for you to commit suicide.

587
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Here's an artisition assisted suicide.

588
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's an article in The Atlantic long win and

589
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: I read part of it last night. Canada is killing itself.

590
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: The country gave its citizens the right to die. Doctors

591
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: are struggling to keep up with the demand.

592
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

593
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: So maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow. Lighter stuff on

594
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: the way next. So we were just talking about chat,

595
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: GBT and therapy and this. A woman whose daughter killed

596
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: herself wrote an essay in The New York Times about

597
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: whether or not AI bots should be mandated reporters. Like

598
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: if somebody admits or tells something that the AI chat

599
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: bot will I don't know contact who, I don't even

600
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: know how that would work. But we were wondering if,

601
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: like if you use the therapist Harry on chat GPT

602
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: if it's different than just generally asking questions the way

603
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: the rest of us have been doing.

604
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: What did you find out, Katie?

605
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's significantly different. So for example, I just

606
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 5: used like one of the medications from my IVF process,

607
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: and chat GPT regular kind of sympathized with that it

608
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 5: might make me not feel good, but then gave me

609
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 5: a list of resources and things I can do to

610
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 5: feel better. In all this, the other one is really

611
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 5: digging into. Now let me ask you this gently, how

612
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: what exact things are you feeling? Is it affecting your

613
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 5: mental Are you experiencing a loss of motivation? I mean

614
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 5: it's really digging into like hmm, okay, internal Maybe maybe

615
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 5: I'll try Henry next time I have a question.

616
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was totally unawares. Katie pointed out this

617
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: segment that they have like individual bots with specialized programming

618
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: for different topics, including the number one being astrology. So

619
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: there's no hope for humanity. But number two was find

620
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 2: my celebrity look alike, and so I did that. I

621
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: uploaded a photo and it struggled for a while. I

622
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: could tell it was thinking jaz if somebody looked like you,

623
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be a celebrity.

624
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: That's what do we tell this guy did give you anyway?

625
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: Did he give you Barney Rubble?

626
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Looking? No, As a younger man, I did resemble the

627
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: great Barney Rubble a great deal.

628
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

629
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: Looking closely at your features, strong brow lines, expressive forehead,

630
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: square jaw, with a salt and pepper beard, and a

631
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: slightly rugged but approachable look. Hey, it's doing pretty well

632
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: so far. If it is, you have a resemblance to

633
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: Nick Nolty in his later years Lute Hollywood and Sleeping

634
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: on Park Vene. No, no, Buddy Holly, Nick Nolty, not now,

635
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Nick Nolty, Oh no, unfortunately not, and also a bit

636
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: of Kurt Russell in his more recent roles. Again in realty,

637
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: resemblance comes through in the weathered, expressive foreheadlines and the

638
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: way your beard frames your face, especially like Nolty around

639
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: the two thousands. Ah oh oh, They cite Kurt Russell

640
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: and the Hate the Light. Yes, if only.

641
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: The fact that the number one use for AI for

642
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: Dunderpates is astrology.

643
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: It's amazing that you're combining like.

644
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: The most cutting edge advanced thing human beings have ever

645
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 3: come up with with the most old timey, dumbest from

646
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand years ago, the stars for your future.

647
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: Well, more importantly, I need Katie to react with complete

648
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: honesty to this. Your look has that mix of ruggedness

649
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: and warmth that both of those actors are known for

650
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: in their later careers. I think you'd probably agree, wouldn't

651
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: you nail that?

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Speaker 3: Why is that thing giving you all positive feedback? And

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Speaker 3: there's no you look sort of like a hobo I

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Speaker 3: saw on the way to work, or just are you

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Speaker 3: all right? Do you have medical professionals you can call?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how long did the doctor tell you

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Speaker 3: you had? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: One?

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Speaker 2: One final AI note, Katie mentioned this headline Jeffrey Hinton,

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Speaker 2: often called the godfather of AI. He's calling on researchers

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Speaker 2: to design systems that will take care of us like

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Speaker 2: we're babies, and we all reacted like, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: I need that, but thanks very much. But I read

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Speaker 2: what Hinton's reasoning is that's the only way to keep

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Speaker 2: them from becoming like our overlords who shred us and

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Speaker 2: take our organs for whatever purpose. He's like, we need

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Speaker 2: to make machines that are smarter than us to care

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Speaker 2: for us like we're there babies. We need to imbue

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Speaker 2: them with genuine concern for human well being, otherwise it

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Speaker 2: could be really Yeah, so we need to convince AI

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Speaker 2: to care about us so they don't, you know, eat us.

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Speaker 2: Wow Armstrong and Getty