WEBVTT - White Guns for Hire

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>In early March of nineteen ninety four, three men left

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<v Speaker 2>the Bosnian city of Siroki brieg. German mercenaries Falk Semang

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<v Speaker 2>and Ralph Morakaz were eager for a change of scenery,

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<v Speaker 2>not because they had tired of their lives as soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>of fortune, but because they were in a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>hot water after murdering two of their fellow mercenaries. And

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Douster, a Dutch mercenary they'd worked with on his

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<v Speaker 2>last stint with the Croatian forces, was happy to recruit

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<v Speaker 2>them to a new mission, one far away from the

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<v Speaker 2>mess they'd made in the Balkans. Before they left, they

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<v Speaker 2>took a few souvenirs, a couple of AK forty sevens,

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<v Speaker 2>one pistol, eight kilos of Semtex, a plastic explosive, and

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<v Speaker 2>a crate of hand grenades. They stashed the stolen weapons

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<v Speaker 2>under the seats of the old citron that Doyster was driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Doyster was no stranger to committing crimes across borders. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>been a soldier for hire for over a decade and

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<v Speaker 2>had served a bit of time in Ireland for arms smuggling.

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<v Speaker 2>He was confident that His expertly forged un press credentials

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<v Speaker 2>were all they'd need to ensure a clean getaway without

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<v Speaker 2>anyone searching the vehicle, and he was right. After driving

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<v Speaker 2>nearly two thousand kilometers, they reached their first destination, the

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<v Speaker 2>Belgian city of Russilara. There they met with Roger Spinewen,

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of a Belgian Neo Nazi group called the

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<v Speaker 2>Order of Flemish Militants. He was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>legend in certain circles. He was already an old man,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the seventies he'd led a small group of

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<v Speaker 2>Belgian Nazis in a daring heist of sorts, successfully stealing

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<v Speaker 2>the corpse of a long dead Nazi priest from his

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<v Speaker 2>grip in Austria to be reinterred on his home soil

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<v Speaker 2>in Belgium. And on that day in March of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four, Spinewin paid Douster eleven thousand Deutsche marks for

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<v Speaker 2>the stolen weapons, but he gave him one more thing directions.

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<v Speaker 2>It had been Spinewen who had asked Douster to return

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<v Speaker 2>to Bosnia this one last time, not as a mercenary

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<v Speaker 2>this time, but to fetch hardware and recruits for a

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<v Speaker 2>new mission, one in South Africa. The Aeging Neo Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>had spent his life fighting for fascism at home in Belgium.

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<v Speaker 2>His son John was a member of Parliament as a

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<v Speaker 2>leader in the far right party Vlam's Block. But as

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<v Speaker 2>the world continued to change around him, he hoped to

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<v Speaker 2>retire one day in a beautiful white ethno state in

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Africa. Here on the eve of the end of apartheid, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that dream was starting to look less and less likely,

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<v Speaker 2>unless they could incite enough violence in those final months

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<v Speaker 2>to convince the white population of South Africa that they

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<v Speaker 2>needed to secede to form a new pure white nation.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was the task he'd recruited these mercenaries for.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't safe to depart directly from Belgium, the authorities

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<v Speaker 2>there were already a little suspicious. Instead, the mercenaries took

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<v Speaker 2>the ferry across the English Channel to Ramsgate, a seaside

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<v Speaker 2>town in Kent. There, with an introduction from Spinowin, they

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<v Speaker 2>made their next contacts, members of the British fascist group,

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<v Speaker 2>the League of Saint George. They spent a few days

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<v Speaker 2>there making final preparations for their journey with the help

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<v Speaker 2>of their new English friends. This was becoming something of

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<v Speaker 2>a routine for the members of the League of Saint George.

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<v Speaker 2>Just two months earlier, they'd hosted another batch of German

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<v Speaker 2>mercenaries making the same trip. They didn't know just yet

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<v Speaker 2>that one of those men was already dead. On the

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<v Speaker 2>evening before Doyster and the Germans were scheduled to fly

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<v Speaker 2>out of Heathrow, Roger Spinwen dispatched one of his sons

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<v Speaker 2>to Ramsgate with one final message for the mercenaries. Willie

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<v Speaker 2>Spinowen handed Ronald Doyster a sealed envelope and passed along

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<v Speaker 2>his father's order. Doyster was to personally hand deliver this

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<v Speaker 2>envelope to the woman who would meet him at the airport,

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<v Speaker 2>a woman named Monica Huggin. I'm Molly Conger and this

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<v Speaker 2>is weird, little guys. This is the part of the

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<v Speaker 2>story where we finally rejoined them women. We started with

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<v Speaker 2>Monica Huggett Stone. It's been a long, strange journey. We

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<v Speaker 2>started out a few weeks ago in twenty twelve in Sacramento, California,

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<v Speaker 2>American neo Nazis from the Golden State Skinheads were rallying

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<v Speaker 2>outside the state Capitol holding the flag of apartheid South Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>when counter protesters from a nearby occupy encampment showed up

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<v Speaker 2>to heckle them. What an odd site, those skinheads in

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<v Speaker 2>their black jackets rallying for the imaginary cause of a

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<v Speaker 2>white genocide against South African farmers. That rally was one

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<v Speaker 2>of more than a dozen simultaneous rallies across the United

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<v Speaker 2>States that day, though they were mostly poorly attended and

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<v Speaker 2>some were barely publicized, and all of them were organized

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<v Speaker 2>by a short lived Aryan Nations affiliated group called the

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa Project, and that group itself was almost certainly

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<v Speaker 2>really just two people, a longtime Arian Nations member named

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<v Speaker 2>Maurice Goulette and a mysterious woman in Louisiana named Monica Stone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always surprised by the twists and turns that these

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<v Speaker 2>stories take. Once you start turning over a few rocks,

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<v Speaker 2>there's always some bizarre new ankle that takes us miles

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<v Speaker 2>from where I thought we were going. But this one

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<v Speaker 2>has been the strangest ride of any weird little guy

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<v Speaker 2>so far. In this chapter of the story, we'll try

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<v Speaker 2>to trace the paths of these European mercenaries from Bosnia

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<v Speaker 2>to South Africa. It turns out there was an international

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<v Speaker 2>network to funnel guns for hire from one conflict to another.

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<v Speaker 2>And as cloak and dagger as all of that sounds,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't really a secret, not entirely. Searchlight magazine had

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<v Speaker 2>reported on the scheme months before. Those German mercenaries even

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<v Speaker 2>bought their plane tickets. Every year for decades now, European

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<v Speaker 2>Neo Nazis gather in the Belgian city of Dixmude for

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<v Speaker 2>an international fascist get together, and at the event in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three, there was a lot of talk about

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<v Speaker 2>changing their focus, about redirecting mercenaries from the Balkans to

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa, and plans were made. At least fifteen mercenaries

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<v Speaker 2>were pledged to be dispatched in early nineteen ninety four

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<v Speaker 2>with plans to fight alongside Robert vent Honter's Borostock Party.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this was published in print in English in

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<v Speaker 2>the fall of nineteen ninety three, months before this actually happened.

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<v Speaker 2>That same publication. Searchlight Magazine would eventually uncover more of

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<v Speaker 2>the d tales about what went on at Dixmuda in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three. It was at this summit that Roger

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<v Speaker 2>Spinewin recruited Ronald Doyster to return to Bosnia to recruit

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<v Speaker 2>more mercenaries for South Africa. And according to another source,

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<v Speaker 2>it was also sometime in late nineteen ninety three that

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Spinwin paid a visit to South Africa himself at

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<v Speaker 2>the invitation of Monica Huggett. I mentioned a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago that the first step in tracking this Monica Stone,

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<v Speaker 2>the one who organized those rallies in twenty twelve, back

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<v Speaker 2>to her home country of South Africa, was figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>her maiden name, which is Huggitt. And I did that

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<v Speaker 2>by digging up old corporate filings for a Christian identity

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<v Speaker 2>church called the New Christian Crusade Church. And the New

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Crusade Church was run by a man named James K. Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Warner necessarily qualifies as a big name,

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<v Speaker 2>but he shows up in a lot of big stories.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an early member of George Lincoln Rockwell's American

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party. He was a leading member of the short

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<v Speaker 2>lived National States Rights Party, and in his clan days,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a very close friend of David Duke, I've

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<v Speaker 2>left myself a note to come back to James K Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's some real weird little guy stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on here, and I do have a quick correction to make.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as it pains me, I just realized I

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<v Speaker 2>misspoke in the last episode where I mentioned James K Warner,

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<v Speaker 2>I called him Robert K Warner careless. Honestly, I should

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<v Speaker 2>have caught that. But to be honest with you, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>recording this at one in the morning, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>early by my usual standards. I'm always a little down

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<v Speaker 2>to the wire. But I think what happened there was

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<v Speaker 2>just a slight mix up, because, in my defense, James

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<v Speaker 2>Conrad W. Warner did have a brother named Robert L. Warner,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did use his brother's name on the deeds

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the church property. But it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>that Monica's connection to Robert K Warner may be the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to a question that's been bothering me for weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>How on earth did a woman in South Africa manage

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<v Speaker 2>to join the Ku Klux Klan. If you recall the

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<v Speaker 2>story in the episode two weeks ago, Monica Hugget was

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<v Speaker 2>arrested in nineteen eighty one in connection with a series

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<v Speaker 2>of pro apartheid bombings by a group that called itself

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<v Speaker 2>the Vid Commando, and after her arrest, she agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>testify against the Italian fascists that she'd helped carry out

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<v Speaker 2>those bombings. During the trial, she said she was a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the American Ku Klux Clan, and she told

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities that the books they'd used as a guide

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<v Speaker 2>for making those bombs had been sent to her by

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<v Speaker 2>her American Clan contacts, So she wasn't just a member

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<v Speaker 2>of a Ku Klux Klan style group that operated independently

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa. She's saying that she has active contact

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<v Speaker 2>with the Klan in the United States because there is

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<v Speaker 2>a big difference there. There have been groups in other

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<v Speaker 2>countries that have adopted the esthetic and the ideology of

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<v Speaker 2>the clan without necessarily maintaining meaningful contact with the group

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<v Speaker 2>they're modeling themselves after. In other examples, what looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a foreign iteration of the clan is actually just an

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<v Speaker 2>American who happens to be living overseas. In the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>there was an American serviceman stationed in Germany who claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that he was leading an active clan group in Bavaria,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the Dennis Mahon story, we saw an American

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<v Speaker 2>clansman who traveled internationally trying to spark an interest in

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<v Speaker 2>American clan aesthetics and ideology, but with relatively little success.

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<v Speaker 2>So what Monica's talking about here is something a little different,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was stumped truly. As we'll get to later

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<v Speaker 2>on in the story, I can absolutely connect Monica huggets

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<v Speaker 2>Stone to the American Ku Klux Klan by the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the Federal election commissioned filings to prove that

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<v Speaker 2>that's easy. But I still have no answers when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the question of klansmen in South Africa in

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen seventies, not in any concrete way. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a theory. One of the sources I've

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<v Speaker 2>relied on heavily throughout this series is a nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine thesis by Mida Visser on the white fascist movements

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa in the twentieth century, and she sort

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<v Speaker 2>of hints at this idea. She writes, quote, the activities

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<v Speaker 2>of the clan in South Africa are obscure, although the

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<v Speaker 2>police had no concrete evidence that the movement was active

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa. There were claims in the press in

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<v Speaker 2>the late seventies that branch has existed in the country,

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<v Speaker 2>and so in Visser's thesis she gives a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>examples that are definitely evidence of that esthetic copycat behavior

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. So, when the VIC Commando took credit

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<v Speaker 2>for those bombings in nineteen eighty, the letters they sent

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<v Speaker 2>to the press had a symbol in the letterhead that

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<v Speaker 2>was almost identical to the logo used by American clan groups.

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<v Speaker 2>And in nineteen ninety, when two members of the Order

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<v Speaker 2>of Death went on trial for murder, their supporters packed

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom and they were all wearing little clan lapel pens,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of them even told a reporter the Order

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<v Speaker 2>is long gone. It's the Ku Klux Klan now. In

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<v Speaker 2>an unrelated side note, just too to wrap up a

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<v Speaker 2>loose end from the last episode, I can tell I've

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<v Speaker 2>spent too much time digging around for details I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to need for this story. When side characters start

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<v Speaker 2>to look really familiar. When I was reading that anecdote

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<v Speaker 2>about the Order of Death trial in nineteen ninety, I

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<v Speaker 2>recognized the names of the murderers. Cornelius Lottering and Fanny

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<v Speaker 2>Goosen were two of the ten members of the Africaner

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<v Speaker 2>Resistance movement who were arrested in the summer of nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they scooped up Leonard Wienendahl and Horst Cleans,

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<v Speaker 2>Lottering and Gusen were in that bunch. And I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in last week's episode that I couldn't exactly tell what

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<v Speaker 2>became of all ten of those men, but two of

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<v Speaker 2>them had escaped from custody, and those two were Lottering

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<v Speaker 2>in Gusen, So I guess they found them again because

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<v Speaker 2>they did get convicted of murder. But back to the

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<v Speaker 2>question of the clan, I could have left it there,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think you probably know by now that I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he dig just a little bit deeper into the past.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a man in South Africa who called himself

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of the South African Ku Klux Klan in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties and into the seventies. He died in

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<v Speaker 2>the late seventies. His name was Raymond kirch Rudman, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the time he was trying to get a South

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<v Speaker 2>African clan going, he was already pretty old, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was decades into his career as a professional anti Semite

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<v Speaker 2>with impressive international connections. Aside from his clan activities, Rudman

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<v Speaker 2>was also the leader of an Afrikaner nationalist group called

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<v Speaker 2>the Boronaci, originally founded by Many Merits. Meretz's son, also

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<v Speaker 2>called many Merits, was a prominent figure in the Africaner

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<v Speaker 2>resistance movement during the same time period as Monica Huggett,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rudman also led a group called the Anglo Norman Union.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't find much information about the extent to which

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<v Speaker 2>that group actually operated in South Africa, like did it

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<v Speaker 2>actually have real members, But in nineteen sixty five Rudman

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<v Speaker 2>did use the group to join the World Union of

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<v Speaker 2>National Socialists. That was an effort by George Lincoln Rockwell's

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<v Speaker 2>American Nazi Party and Colin Jordan, who was then the

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<v Speaker 2>head of the National Socialist movement in the United Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 2>to form I guess exactly what it sounds a World

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<v Speaker 2>Union of Nazi groups. But when it comes to the Clan,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not much written, at least not that I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to find about the history of the clan in

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa. But everything that does exist has Ray Rudman's

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<v Speaker 2>name on it. Last year, doctor William Robert Billips completed

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<v Speaker 2>his dissertation at Emory University, and I know, I know

0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.119
<v Speaker 2>that dissertation has the answers I'm looking for, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is currently embargoed and not available to read. But a

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<v Speaker 2>write up about his research tells me I'm on the

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<v Speaker 2>right track. He was researching anti Semitic bombings in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States during the Civil Rights era when he came

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<v Speaker 2>across one of the same sources I did, an old

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<v Speaker 2>mention of Ray Rudman trying to recruit for a clan

0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.800
<v Speaker 2>group in South Africa in the early nineteen sixties. Phillips

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<v Speaker 2>was able to secure grant funding to spend several weeks

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa at the University of the Free State,

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<v Speaker 2>where Rudman's personal papers are held in a special collection. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately for me, I can't read Phillips' research, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do have the finding aid for Rudman's papers. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>actually see what's written. The documents aren't digitized. A finding

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<v Speaker 2>aid is just an inventory listing the contents of various

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<v Speaker 2>boxes and folders, and I would love to get my

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<v Speaker 2>hands on some of those letters because. Listed in that

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<v Speaker 2>inventory are entries for correspondents between Ray Rudman and the

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<v Speaker 2>New Christian Crusade Church dated as early as the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>and seventies. There's also an entry listing correspondence between Ray

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Rudman and the National States Rights Party dated from the

0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:34.399
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties. The inventory also lists more than forty books

0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.879
<v Speaker 2>in Rudman's collection that were published by James K. Warner,

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<v Speaker 2>either through his Sons of Liberty Press or the New

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Christian Crusade Church. A similar finding aid for the personal

0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.440
<v Speaker 2>papers of James K. Warner, held by the University of

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<v Speaker 2>Wyoming also lists correspondents between James Warner and Ray Rudman,

0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.240
<v Speaker 2>and Warner's Nazi publishing outfit, The Sons of Liberty Press,

0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.840
<v Speaker 2>also published and sold English language versions of texts by

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<v Speaker 2>South African anti semi Johann Schumann, an African internationalist politician.

0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Yap Maree. So, I can't tell you exactly how Monica

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<v Speaker 2>Huggett came to join the Ku Klux Klan, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is some really solid connective tissue here. It doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>as random now. So when she moved to the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>she was a close enough associate of James K Warner

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<v Speaker 2>that he put her in charge of his new Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Crusade church, and that has to have something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that archives show that he was an

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<v Speaker 2>active communication with the far right in South Africa from

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<v Speaker 2>his earliest days in the movement. It looks like I

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<v Speaker 2>have some more digging to do on the subject of

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<v Speaker 2>the Fascist International, because the number of connections here is

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<v Speaker 2>honestly pretty staggering to me. James K Warner visited England

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<v Speaker 2>in the said to speak at a meeting of the

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<v Speaker 2>League of Saint George. In nineteen eighty Our Belgian Nazi

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Roger Spinewin was deported from the United States while he

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<v Speaker 2>was here visiting members of the National States Rights Party,

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and our South African clansman Ray Rudman, was listed as

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<v Speaker 2>the South African correspondent in issues of a British fascist

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<v Speaker 2>magazine in the nineteen seventies. All of these guys are

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<v Speaker 2>connected going back decades. But I've been promising to get

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<v Speaker 2>to this part of the story for weeks now, the

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<v Speaker 2>part where a handful of German mercenaries get into a

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<v Speaker 2>shootout with the South African police in March of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four A few episodes ago. I told you that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first places I found Monica Huggett's name

0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.960
<v Speaker 2>was in the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission's final

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<v Speaker 2>Report in Volume two. The portion of the report that

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<v Speaker 2>deals with quote the Commission of Gross Violations of Human Rights,

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter seven political violence in the Era of Negotiations and Transition.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the subheading links with international right wing groups, the

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<v Speaker 2>report reads. The first link between ultra right terrorism and

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<v Speaker 2>foreign agencies came to light in nineteen eighty two when

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<v Speaker 2>mister Fabiomiello, mister Massimo Bolo, and mister Eugenio's Opice, all

0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.960
<v Speaker 2>white foreign expatriots known as the White Commando, were convicted

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineteen seventy nine bombing of the offices of

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<v Speaker 2>prominent academic doctor Jan Lombard. Originally mister Kus ver Mullin

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<v Speaker 2>and Miss Monica hugget were arrested with them, but Huggitt

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<v Speaker 2>turned state's witness and Vermullin was released after a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>Huggett's name was subsequently linked to a shootout in March

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety four between the South African police and

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<v Speaker 2>three German right wingers in the Donkerhoak area. One German

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>right winger, mister Stephen Rays, was arrested, mister Thomas Kuns

0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.639
<v Speaker 2>was shot dead, and a third, mister Horse Cleans, was

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 2>later arrested. A fourth, mister Alexander Nydeline, was later charged

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<v Speaker 2>in the Cullen And Magistrates Court for illegal possession of

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<v Speaker 2>a firearm. And I read that paragraph before you've heard

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>that bit, and at this point you know some of

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>the back story that paragraph is talking about. Two weeks ago,

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.159
<v Speaker 2>we talked about the vit commando bombings in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>and we spent most of the last episode talking about

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<v Speaker 2>one of those men, Horst Cleans. Before that shootout in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, Glen's had been involved in a nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine attack on a United Nations outpost in Namibia,

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<v Speaker 2>killing a security guard and later murdering a police constable

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.880
<v Speaker 2>when he and his accomplices escaped from custody. And at

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<v Speaker 2>some point I teased you a little bit with a

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 2>story about Alexander Nydline. He was the German neo Nazi

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 2>who swore allegiance to Donald Trump at a fascist rally

0:22:55.560 --> 0:23:18.360
<v Speaker 2>in Croatia in twenty seventeen don so we know where

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<v Speaker 2>Horst Cleans was in the early nineties. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa, But how did those other three men actually

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 2>get there? In nineteen ninety four, Alexander Ndline, Stephen Rays

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.199
<v Speaker 2>and Thomas Konst follow the same path as the mercenaries

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>recruited by Ronald Douster. They deserted from the Convicts Battalion,

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 2>a paramilitary unit of the Croatian Defense Council made up

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<v Speaker 2>of prisoners and foreign mercenaries, and they left Bosnia with

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 2>stolen weapons. Then, with the help of the League of

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<v Speaker 2>Saint George in England, they made their way down to

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa, and just like Ronald Doyster, they were given

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<v Speaker 2>the name of a woman who would pick them up

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:24.399
<v Speaker 2>from the airport, Monica Huggett. And here is another place

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<v Speaker 2>in my research for this story where I found a

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<v Speaker 2>very unlikely source of information that I just couldn't have

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 2>gotten anywhere else. Two weeks ago I had to give

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<v Speaker 2>my begrudging thanks to the Central Intelligence Agency after discovering

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<v Speaker 2>English translations of South African news stories in archived reports

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>from the CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service. And this week

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<v Speaker 2>I have an even more unsavory source to thank, though

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<v Speaker 2>he isn't around to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the prosecution's appeal concerning Praliac in all other

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<v Speaker 3>respects affirms the sentence of twenty years of imprisonment, subject

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<v Speaker 3>to credit being given on the rule one oh one

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<v Speaker 3>sea of the rules for the period he has already

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<v Speaker 3>spent in the atention step, Prodiac, you may be seated,

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<v Speaker 3>you Fortuna, stop, please please sit down.

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<v Speaker 2>That audio might not sound familiar, but if you're extremely online,

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>you've seen mimified images of this moment used as a

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>reaction give a thousand times. I know it. I'm sure

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 2>you know the one I'm talking about. It's a white

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>haired old man in a suit and he's drinking from

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a small vial. That man is slowbodown Praliac. He died

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 2>by suicide in twenty sis seventeen, and the meme shows

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the moment that he produced a small vial of cyanide

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>from his pocket after a judge at the Hague announced

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that his sentence for war crimes would be upheld. I

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:17.439
<v Speaker 2>don't speak Croatian, but news reports translated his last words

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 2>in that video as judges slobodon Proliac is not a

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>war criminal. With disdain, I reject your verdict, and then

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>he knocks back the vial of cyanide. We don't have

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to get into the crimes against humanity that Slobodon Proliac

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 2>was convicted of by the International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia.

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't really factor in directly to our story at all,

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 2>but he did choose to defend himself without an attorney

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>during his war crimes trial, and as part of that effort,

0:26:54.600 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 2>he had a website dedicated to proving his innocence, and

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>that website is actually still online today. But the documents

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that I found most useful in researching this story don't

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.959
<v Speaker 2>appear to be accessible on the current version of the site.

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>So buried in this poorly organized series of files on

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>an archived version of this war criminal's website, I found

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 2>something terribly interesting. All of the existing reporting that I

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 2>could find about Alexander Ninelein, Stephen Rays, and Thomas Koonst

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and their whereabouts in late nineteen ninety three seems to

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>rely on one of those documents, an arrest warrant signed

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 2>by their commanding officer, a war criminal named Malad Nalatilic,

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>which I know I've not pronounced correctly, so we'll just

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>call him by his nickname Teuta. Everyone else did. When

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 2>those three German mercenaries deserted from Teuta's Ragtag Convicts btel

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of December of nineteen ninety three, he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a memo requesting arrest warrants. Translated, it reads, on

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<v Speaker 2>December sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, members of the Convicts Battalion

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>fled from Sierroki Brieg to an unknown destination after spending

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 2>three to four days in the unit after stealing weapons

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and ammunition. The memo goes on to specify that, aside

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>from their names and the fact that they'd been briefly

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 2>affiliated with the unit, he had no additional information about

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>these three men. It's possible that a lot is lost

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 2>in translation here, but it kind of looks like he's

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>really going out of his way to distance himself from

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>these men, because he's very explicit that they were only

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>there for a few days and he doesn't know anything

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>about them. These guys are strangers to him, and I

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 2>guess there's no reason to doubt that. It's what every

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>write up about the incident says. And who knows maybe

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>they got all the way there and they realized war

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>isn't very fun and they changed their minds. That makes

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>plenty of sense, right, But I think it would be

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>terribly naive to take a war criminal at his word

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>because he was lying in that chaotic document dump. On

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Slobodon Prolac's website, I found Tutah's request for the issuance

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of those arrest warrants, and I found the arrest warrants themselves,

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>and they were both signed by Tuta. I clicked through

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe one hundred documents that mostly meant

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.719
<v Speaker 2>absolutely nothing to me. I didn't really know what I

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>was looking for or what might even be there for

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 2>me to find. But I did find another document bearing

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the signature of the commander of the Convex Battalion, and

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>this one was dated December second, nineteen ninety three, a

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>full two weeks before those men deserted, and it's a

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>list of soldiers under Tuta's command, and it appears to

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>have been written on a typewriter, and next to the

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 2>name of each soldier who had been paid for their

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>service in the month of November, he had drawn a

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 2>check mark in pencil and there twenty four pages into

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 2>this list of names are Alexander Nydeline, Stephen Rays, and

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Thomas Kunst. Nydeline and Coonst both have a check mark

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 2>next to their name, indicating that they'd been paid for

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the month of November. Nydline has over the years taken

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 2>issue with journalists who characterize him as a mercenary, often

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>arguing that he never actually got paid, so he can't

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 2>be called a mercenary. So this document at least offers

0:30:55.240 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>some possible rebuttal to that. Next to Steven and raised name,

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 2>though there isn't a check mark. Instead, there's a little

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>symbol that looks like it might be the letter D.

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I think the soldiers who have died are the ones

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>with a little cross next to their name, and soldiers

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>who are in the hospital either have a B or

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>the word bolnikka which means hospital written out. And I

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>couldn't find any commonly used word for something like dead, deceased, killed, deserted, quit, captured,

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>any any words like that. I couldn't find any that

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>would start with D in Croatian. But there are some

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>words and phrases related to the concept of authorized leave

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 2>or a permitted absence that do start with D in Croatian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just spitballing here. I have no idea what it

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<v Speaker 2>could mean. I don't know anything about running a mercenary

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 2>unit to do war crimes, and I don't speak Croatian.

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm just guessing. But regardless of what these mysterious little

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<v Speaker 2>symbols mean, here's their commanding officer's signature on a document

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>listing their names two weeks before. He says they had

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>only just shown up in the last couple of days.

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 2>The obvious next question, then, is why would he lie

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>about how long they'd been with the unit. The short answer,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously is I don't know. I don't think anybody knows,

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>but if I had to guess, I would say he

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<v Speaker 2>was covering his ass. The Convicts Battalion was becoming increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>un popular by late nineteen ninety three. It was again

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what it sounds like. It was made up of

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<v Speaker 2>people who had been in prison for violent crimes, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as foreign mercenaries who had volunteered to commit violent crimes,

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and they were out of control. A letter sent to

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>a Croatian general signed by another officer that same month,

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>December of nineteen ninety three, complained about Tuta's convicts running

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 2>a muck. They weren't just committing war crimes, but they

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>were killing and raping military and police personnel on their

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>own side, and their commanding officer was protecting them. So

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I can only assume that he was trying to distance

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>himself from another embarrassing act of misconduct by this ragtag

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>group of foreign murderers when these three Germans deserted the

0:33:55.520 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>unit with a bunch of stolen guns and bombs. Other

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>sources I found writing about the actions of mercenaries in

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the Bosnian War single out the German mercenaries in particular

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 2>for their brutality. Rob Kratt, a frequent contributor to Soldier

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 2>of Fortune magazine, wrote in his book Save the Last

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Bullet for Yourself that the Germans he served with during

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 2>the Bosnian War had a terrible habit of cutting the

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 2>ears off the people they killed and keeping them as trophies.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Austrian journalist Christoph Santner co wrote egayetest rambo Schpielen, which

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 2>translates to I'm going to play Rambo now with former mercenary.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Wolfgang Nighter writer and Knight writer recounts seeing a German

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 2>mercenary hand a live grenade to a seven year old

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Muslim boy in the Bosnian city of Mostar as a

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>joke of some sort. The mercenary told the boy it

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>was a toy, and the child was blown to pieces

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>moments later. There was no shortitch of violence in the

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Balkans in the early nineties. There's plenty of blame to

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>go around, so it seems all the more remarkable that

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<v Speaker 2>even in this context, other actual war criminals, people sentenced

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>to life in prison at the Hague, people who were

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>guns for hire, they were looking at these German mercenaries

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and saying that's a little bit too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I hesitate to build a theory on the sand of speculation.

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 2>But if that little D next to Stephen Rays's name

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>does happen to mean that he was on leave in November,

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that does line up with some other sort of hazy

0:35:55.440 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 2>details about this time period, because again we know that

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>there was an international effort to recruit mercenaries to travel

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to South Africa. The two men from the beginning of

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 2>this episode, Fox Samang and Ralph Morajz, were recruited by

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Doyster personally when he traveled to Bosnia in early

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, and by all accounts, Nideline Rays and

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 2>coonst were recruited by Horsed Clens. But how because remember

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Horsed Glens had been in South Africa for years at

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 2>this point. He escaped from custody in Namibia nineteen eighty

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>nine and he fled back to South Africa. He was

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>arrested again in the summer of nineteen ninety in connection

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>with the Ordoboro folk bombings, and he didn't end up

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>getting charged with anything, but he spent a while in

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 2>jail while South African courts tried to figure out if

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 2>they needed to extradite him to Namibia. He was eventually,

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>probably in late nineteen ninety two, released on bond depending

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a final decision in the extradition matter, and then he disappeared.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>It is possible, I guess that Glenn's could have gone

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>to Bosnia at some point in nineteen ninety three, but

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so because there's a much more likely explanation.

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Fan fass On torsis not nice and sent Nsael that

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>there's some about er v Moule's striker game at MNEM.

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Dolphin said Oskar Wolf and Vaughn.

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>That probably didn't mean anything to you. I speak a

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 2>little German, but that guy's accent was a little tricky

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 2>for me. I had to ask a friend who was

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 2>fluent for some help with this one. That's a clip

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>from a segment that aired on a German TV news program,

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and the man speaking is an unnamed hotel guest. Unnamed,

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 2>probably because the hotel in question was a cedy establishment

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>in Hamburg's Red light district, and the man is recalling

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>for a reporter from Derspiegel an incident that happened in

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>late October nineteen ninety three. Stephen Rays was thrown out

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of the hotel after some kind of loud argument and

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 2>just Stephen Rays. According to researchers from Germany's anti fascist Infoblot,

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Klen's was also spotted in Hamburg in October of nineteen

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, and we know Stephen Rays did go back

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.439
<v Speaker 2>to Bosnia after he got kicked out of that CD

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 2>motel because he deserted in December. So what it looks

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 2>like to me is that Rays made contact with Klen's

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 2>in Hamburg in October, and then he went back to

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Bosnia and told his friends about this exciting new opportunity.

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>All they had to do was steal a bunch of

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 2>guns and find a way to get to England. What

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>we do know for certain is that all three of

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 2>those mercenaries left Bosnia on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety three,

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and on December thirtieth, they robbed a post office in

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 2>the German city of Lubec, making off with around eighty

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>five hundred Deutsche marks. I don't entirely know how to

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 2>sort out how much money that is. In nineteen ninety three,

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>one US dollar was equal to about one point six

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Deutsche marks, so that would make it a little over

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars. But those are nineteen ninety three dollars,

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>so I guess you could best understand the actual value

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of this money is around ten thousand US dollars today.

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't email me about math. And with cash in hand,

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 2>they traveled from Germany to Ramsgate, that little seaside town

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>in England, where members of the League of Saint George

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 2>drove them to the airport, and, just like the mercenaries

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 2>that would follow them two months later, they were given

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 2>a name Monica hug It would pick them up from

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the airport when they got to South Africa. They arrived

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>on tourist visas in January of nineteen ninety four, and

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Monica was there as promised to pick them up. She

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>sorted other paperwork and work permits and their mercenary assignments,

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>passing them off to Horst Cleans. They were assigned as

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 2>armed guards at Radio Pretoria, an illegal radio station that

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>broadcast African Internationalists propaganda, and they participated in military drills

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 2>led by Willem Ratta, a former Rhodesian military officer. Everything

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>seemed to be going according to plan until March fourteenth,

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four. By the time the next round of

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 2>mercenaries arrived a few days later, there was no one

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>there at the airport to greet them. Thomas Coonst was dead,

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 2>and Alexander Nydelein, Horst Clean's, Stephen Ray's, and Monica Huggett

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 2>had all been arrested. I really do hate to leave

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:25.240
<v Speaker 2>you hanging again. I promise I'm not dragging this story

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 2>out on purpose to torment you. I was a little

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 2>preoccupied this past week, and I'll be entirely otherwise occupied

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 2>during the week you're hearing this. If you're listening to

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 2>this on the day it comes out, I am almost

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:43.839
<v Speaker 2>certainly sitting in court right now. In October of last year,

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:47.279
<v Speaker 2>I did a couple of episodes about Virginia's burning objects law.

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 2>There was a pair of episodes on Berry Black, the

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania clansman who challenged Virginia's cross burning statute and eventually

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 2>won his case at the Supreme Court. And there was

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>a third episode about a man who broke the law

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Virginia wrote to replace that original crossburning ban. In that episode,

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I talked a bit about the Nazi torch march that

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 2>took place here in my hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia on

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:18.280
<v Speaker 2>August eleventh, twenty seventeen. The episode was about Tyler Diykes,

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 2>but he was just one of about a dozen men

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>who've been charged with burning an object with the intent

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 2>to intimidate. That's the law that replaced the old crossburning statute. Well,

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>this week, another one of those men is taking his

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>case to trial. So I lost a little bit of

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>time this week reviewing the facts so I can be

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>prepared to sit through the trial. And I'm going to

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.359
<v Speaker 2>lose the entire next week. Sitting on a wooden bench

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 2>taking notes by hand, I would love to promise you

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the final chapter of Monica Huggett's story is going to

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:57.320
<v Speaker 2>come next week, but if I'm being realistic, it'll be

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 2>something else. I've been planning to do sort of a

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Q and A episode, so it might be that you

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>can submit questions for that on the Weird Little Guy's subreddit.

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Just please don't send them to meet anywhere else, Like

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 2>on any other social media platform, I'll just lose them.

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>So if you have a question, please post it to

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the subreddit, or if you absolutely for some reason cannot

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>do that, you can email it to me, but nowhere

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:30.240
<v Speaker 2>else please, And depending on how things go during the trial,

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.839
<v Speaker 2>I might have a minisode about the defendant, Basilio's pistols.

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 2>If you're curious about pistolis, I'll include a link in

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the show notes to the pro publica article about his

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.800
<v Speaker 2>discharge from the Marines after he was revealed to be

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:49.439
<v Speaker 2>a member of Adam Woffen. So thank you for bearing

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.720
<v Speaker 2>with me as I tell the story of Monica Stone

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>in these strange little chunks. I've really been enjoying how

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 2>much digging this one has demanded of me. I just

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>need a little more time to read some very weird

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>racist prophecies before I'm ready to write the last chapter.

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me Ellie Conger.

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Sophie Lettterman and Robert Evans. The

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.600
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0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 2>me at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com.

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 2>You can exchange conspiracy theories about the show with other

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>listeners on the Weird Little Guys subreddit. If you have

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 2>a burning question for me about the show, it's not

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>too late to get over to the subreddit. Apply to

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 2>a thread for an upcoming Q and a episode, but

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 2>pass always. Just don't post something that's gonna make you

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 2>one of my Weird Little Guys