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Speaker 2: In early March of nineteen ninety four, three men left

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Speaker 2: the Bosnian city of Siroki brieg. German mercenaries Falk Semang

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Speaker 2: and Ralph Morakaz were eager for a change of scenery,

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Speaker 2: not because they had tired of their lives as soldiers

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Speaker 2: hot water after murdering two of their fellow mercenaries. And

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Speaker 2: Ronald Douster, a Dutch mercenary they'd worked with on his

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Speaker 2: them to a new mission, one far away from the

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Speaker 2: mess they'd made in the Balkans. Before they left, they

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Speaker 2: took a few souvenirs, a couple of AK forty sevens,

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Speaker 2: one pistol, eight kilos of Semtex, a plastic explosive, and

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Speaker 2: under the seats of the old citron that Doyster was driving.

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Speaker 2: Doyster was no stranger to committing crimes across borders. He'd

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Speaker 2: been a soldier for hire for over a decade and

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Speaker 2: He was confident that His expertly forged un press credentials

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Speaker 2: anyone searching the vehicle, and he was right. After driving

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Speaker 2: nearly two thousand kilometers, they reached their first destination, the

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Speaker 2: Belgian city of Russilara. There they met with Roger Spinewen,

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Speaker 2: the leader of a Belgian Neo Nazi group called the

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Speaker 2: Order of Flemish Militants. He was a bit of a

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Speaker 2: Belgian Nazis in a daring heist of sorts, successfully stealing

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Speaker 2: the corpse of a long dead Nazi priest from his

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Speaker 2: in Belgium. And on that day in March of nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety four, Spinewin paid Douster eleven thousand Deutsche marks for

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Speaker 2: the stolen weapons, but he gave him one more thing directions.

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Speaker 2: It had been Spinewen who had asked Douster to return

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Speaker 2: to Bosnia this one last time, not as a mercenary

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Speaker 2: this time, but to fetch hardware and recruits for a

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Speaker 2: new mission, one in South Africa. The Aeging Neo Nazi

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Speaker 2: had spent his life fighting for fascism at home in Belgium.

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Speaker 2: His son John was a member of Parliament as a

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Speaker 2: leader in the far right party Vlam's Block. But as

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Speaker 2: the world continued to change around him, he hoped to

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Speaker 2: retire one day in a beautiful white ethno state in

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Speaker 2: Southern Africa. Here on the eve of the end of apartheid, though,

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Speaker 2: unless they could incite enough violence in those final months

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Speaker 2: And this was the task he'd recruited these mercenaries for.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't safe to depart directly from Belgium, the authorities

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Speaker 2: there were already a little suspicious. Instead, the mercenaries took

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Speaker 2: the ferry across the English Channel to Ramsgate, a seaside

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Speaker 2: town in Kent. There, with an introduction from Spinowin, they

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Speaker 2: the League of Saint George. They spent a few days

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Speaker 2: a routine for the members of the League of Saint George.

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Speaker 2: Just two months earlier, they'd hosted another batch of German

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Speaker 2: mercenaries making the same trip. They didn't know just yet

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Speaker 2: Spinowen handed Ronald Doyster a sealed envelope and passed along

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Speaker 2: his father's order. Doyster was to personally hand deliver this

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Speaker 2: envelope to the woman who would meet him at the airport,

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Speaker 2: a woman named Monica Huggin. I'm Molly Conger and this

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Speaker 2: is weird, little guys. This is the part of the

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Speaker 2: story where we finally rejoined them women. We started with

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Speaker 2: Monica Huggett Stone. It's been a long, strange journey. We

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Speaker 2: started out a few weeks ago in twenty twelve in Sacramento, California,

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Speaker 2: American neo Nazis from the Golden State Skinheads were rallying

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Speaker 2: to heckle them. What an odd site, those skinheads in

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Speaker 2: their black jackets rallying for the imaginary cause of a

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Speaker 2: white genocide against South African farmers. That rally was one

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Speaker 2: really just two people, a longtime Arian Nations member named

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Speaker 2: I'm always surprised by the twists and turns that these

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Speaker 2: there's always some bizarre new ankle that takes us miles

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Speaker 2: so far. In this chapter of the story, we'll try

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Speaker 2: to trace the paths of these European mercenaries from Bosnia

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Speaker 2: And as cloak and dagger as all of that sounds,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't really a secret, not entirely. Searchlight magazine had

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Speaker 2: reported on the scheme months before. Those German mercenaries even

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Speaker 2: bought their plane tickets. Every year for decades now, European

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Speaker 2: Neo Nazis gather in the Belgian city of Dixmude for

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Speaker 2: an international fascist get together, and at the event in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, there was a lot of talk about

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Speaker 2: with plans to fight alongside Robert vent Honter's Borostock Party.

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Speaker 2: All of this was published in print in English in

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Speaker 2: the fall of nineteen ninety three, months before this actually happened.

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Speaker 2: That same publication. Searchlight Magazine would eventually uncover more of

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Speaker 2: Spinewin recruited Ronald Doyster to return to Bosnia to recruit

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Speaker 2: Roger Spinwin paid a visit to South Africa himself at

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Speaker 2: the invitation of Monica Huggett. I mentioned a few weeks

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Speaker 2: by digging up old corporate filings for a Christian identity

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Speaker 2: church called the New Christian Crusade Church. And the New

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Speaker 2: Christian Crusade Church was run by a man named James K. Warner.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Warner necessarily qualifies as a big name,

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Speaker 2: He was an early member of George Lincoln Rockwell's American

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Speaker 2: he was a very close friend of David Duke, I've

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Speaker 2: As much as it pains me, I just realized I

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Speaker 2: misspoke in the last episode where I mentioned James K Warner,

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Speaker 2: I called him Robert K Warner careless. Honestly, I should

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Speaker 2: have caught that. But to be honest with you, I'm

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Speaker 2: recording this at one in the morning, and this is

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Speaker 2: Conrad W. Warner did have a brother named Robert L. Warner,

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Speaker 2: that Monica's connection to Robert K Warner may be the

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Speaker 2: answer to a question that's been bothering me for weeks.

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Speaker 2: How on earth did a woman in South Africa manage

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Speaker 2: her American Clan contacts, So she wasn't just a member

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Speaker 2: a big difference there. There have been groups in other

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Speaker 2: they're modeling themselves after. In other examples, what looks like

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Speaker 2: American who happens to be living overseas. In the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 2: So what Monica's talking about here is something a little different,

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Speaker 2: Stone to the American Ku Klux Klan by the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 2: I've got the Federal election commissioned filings to prove that

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Speaker 2: that's easy. But I still have no answers when it

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Speaker 2: of hints at this idea. She writes, quote, the activities

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Speaker 2: examples that are definitely evidence of that esthetic copycat behavior

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. So, when the VIC Commando took credit

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Speaker 2: And in nineteen ninety, when two members of the Order

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Speaker 2: the courtroom and they were all wearing little clan lapel pens,

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Speaker 2: is long gone. It's the Ku Klux Klan now. In

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Speaker 2: an unrelated side note, just too to wrap up a

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Speaker 2: spent too much time digging around for details I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to need for this story. When side characters start

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Speaker 2: to look really familiar. When I was reading that anecdote

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Speaker 2: recognized the names of the murderers. Cornelius Lottering and Fanny

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Speaker 2: Goosen were two of the ten members of the Africaner

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Speaker 2: So when they scooped up Leonard Wienendahl and Horst Cleans,

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Speaker 2: Lottering and Gusen were in that bunch. And I mentioned

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Speaker 2: in last week's episode that I couldn't exactly tell what

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Speaker 2: them had escaped from custody, and those two were Lottering

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Speaker 2: in Gusen, So I guess they found them again because

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Speaker 2: they did get convicted of murder. But back to the

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Speaker 3: This is the prosecution's appeal concerning Praliac in all other

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Speaker 2: service in the month of November, he had drawn a

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Speaker 2: check mark in pencil and there twenty four pages into

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Speaker 2: this list of names are Alexander Nydeline, Stephen Rays, and

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Speaker 2: Thomas Kunst. Nydeline and Coonst both have a check mark

431
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Speaker 2: next to their name, indicating that they'd been paid for

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Speaker 2: the month of November. Nydline has over the years taken

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Speaker 2: issue with journalists who characterize him as a mercenary, often

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Speaker 2: arguing that he never actually got paid, so he can't

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Speaker 2: be called a mercenary. So this document at least offers

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Speaker 2: some possible rebuttal to that. Next to Steven and raised name,

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00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: though there isn't a check mark. Instead, there's a little

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Speaker 2: symbol that looks like it might be the letter D.

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Speaker 2: I think the soldiers who have died are the ones

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Speaker 2: with a little cross next to their name, and soldiers

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Speaker 2: who are in the hospital either have a B or

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Speaker 2: the word bolnikka which means hospital written out. And I

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Speaker 2: couldn't find any commonly used word for something like dead, deceased, killed, deserted, quit, captured,

444
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Speaker 2: any any words like that. I couldn't find any that

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Speaker 2: would start with D in Croatian. But there are some

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Speaker 2: words and phrases related to the concept of authorized leave

447
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Speaker 2: or a permitted absence that do start with D in Croatian.

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Speaker 2: I'm just spitballing here. I have no idea what it

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Speaker 2: could mean. I don't know anything about running a mercenary

450
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: unit to do war crimes, and I don't speak Croatian.

451
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm just guessing. But regardless of what these mysterious little

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Speaker 2: symbols mean, here's their commanding officer's signature on a document

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Speaker 2: listing their names two weeks before. He says they had

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Speaker 2: only just shown up in the last couple of days.

455
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Speaker 2: The obvious next question, then, is why would he lie

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Speaker 2: about how long they'd been with the unit. The short answer,

457
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Speaker 2: obviously is I don't know. I don't think anybody knows,

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Speaker 2: but if I had to guess, I would say he

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Speaker 2: was covering his ass. The Convicts Battalion was becoming increasingly

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Speaker 2: un popular by late nineteen ninety three. It was again

461
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Speaker 2: exactly what it sounds like. It was made up of

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Speaker 2: people who had been in prison for violent crimes, as

463
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Speaker 2: well as foreign mercenaries who had volunteered to commit violent crimes,

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Speaker 2: and they were out of control. A letter sent to

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Speaker 2: a Croatian general signed by another officer that same month,

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Speaker 2: December of nineteen ninety three, complained about Tuta's convicts running

467
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Speaker 2: a muck. They weren't just committing war crimes, but they

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Speaker 2: were killing and raping military and police personnel on their

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Speaker 2: own side, and their commanding officer was protecting them. So

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Speaker 2: I can only assume that he was trying to distance

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Speaker 2: himself from another embarrassing act of misconduct by this ragtag

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Speaker 2: group of foreign murderers when these three Germans deserted the

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Speaker 2: unit with a bunch of stolen guns and bombs. Other

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Speaker 2: sources I found writing about the actions of mercenaries in

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Speaker 2: the Bosnian War single out the German mercenaries in particular

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Speaker 2: for their brutality. Rob Kratt, a frequent contributor to Soldier

477
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Speaker 2: of Fortune magazine, wrote in his book Save the Last

478
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Speaker 2: Bullet for Yourself that the Germans he served with during

479
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Speaker 2: the Bosnian War had a terrible habit of cutting the

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Speaker 2: ears off the people they killed and keeping them as trophies.

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Speaker 2: Austrian journalist Christoph Santner co wrote egayetest rambo Schpielen, which

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Speaker 2: translates to I'm going to play Rambo now with former mercenary.

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Speaker 2: Wolfgang Nighter writer and Knight writer recounts seeing a German

484
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Speaker 2: mercenary hand a live grenade to a seven year old

485
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Speaker 2: Muslim boy in the Bosnian city of Mostar as a

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Speaker 2: joke of some sort. The mercenary told the boy it

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Speaker 2: was a toy, and the child was blown to pieces

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Speaker 2: moments later. There was no shortitch of violence in the

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Speaker 2: Balkans in the early nineties. There's plenty of blame to

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Speaker 2: go around, so it seems all the more remarkable that

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Speaker 2: even in this context, other actual war criminals, people sentenced

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Speaker 2: to life in prison at the Hague, people who were

493
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: guns for hire, they were looking at these German mercenaries

494
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Speaker 2: and saying that's a little bit too much.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I hesitate to build a theory on the sand of speculation.

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Speaker 2: But if that little D next to Stephen Rays's name

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Speaker 2: does happen to mean that he was on leave in November,

499
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Speaker 2: that does line up with some other sort of hazy

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Speaker 2: details about this time period, because again we know that

501
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: there was an international effort to recruit mercenaries to travel

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Speaker 2: to South Africa. The two men from the beginning of

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Speaker 2: this episode, Fox Samang and Ralph Morajz, were recruited by

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Speaker 2: Ronald Doyster personally when he traveled to Bosnia in early

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, and by all accounts, Nideline Rays and

506
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Speaker 2: coonst were recruited by Horsed Clens. But how because remember

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Speaker 2: Horsed Glens had been in South Africa for years at

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Speaker 2: this point. He escaped from custody in Namibia nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: nine and he fled back to South Africa. He was

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Speaker 2: arrested again in the summer of nineteen ninety in connection

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Speaker 2: with the Ordoboro folk bombings, and he didn't end up

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Speaker 2: getting charged with anything, but he spent a while in

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Speaker 2: jail while South African courts tried to figure out if

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Speaker 2: they needed to extradite him to Namibia. He was eventually,

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Speaker 2: probably in late nineteen ninety two, released on bond depending

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Speaker 2: a final decision in the extradition matter, and then he disappeared.

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Speaker 2: It is possible, I guess that Glenn's could have gone

518
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Speaker 2: to Bosnia at some point in nineteen ninety three, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think so because there's a much more likely explanation.

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Speaker 1: Fan fass On torsis not nice and sent Nsael that

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Speaker 1: there's some about er v Moule's striker game at MNEM.

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Speaker 1: Dolphin said Oskar Wolf and Vaughn.

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Speaker 2: That probably didn't mean anything to you. I speak a

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Speaker 2: little German, but that guy's accent was a little tricky

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Speaker 2: for me. I had to ask a friend who was

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Speaker 2: fluent for some help with this one. That's a clip

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Speaker 2: from a segment that aired on a German TV news program,

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Speaker 2: and the man speaking is an unnamed hotel guest. Unnamed,

529
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Speaker 2: probably because the hotel in question was a cedy establishment

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Speaker 2: in Hamburg's Red light district, and the man is recalling

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Speaker 2: for a reporter from Derspiegel an incident that happened in

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Speaker 2: late October nineteen ninety three. Stephen Rays was thrown out

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Speaker 2: of the hotel after some kind of loud argument and

534
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Speaker 2: just Stephen Rays. According to researchers from Germany's anti fascist Infoblot,

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Speaker 2: Klen's was also spotted in Hamburg in October of nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three, and we know Stephen Rays did go back

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Speaker 2: to Bosnia after he got kicked out of that CD

538
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Speaker 2: motel because he deserted in December. So what it looks

539
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Speaker 2: like to me is that Rays made contact with Klen's

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Speaker 2: in Hamburg in October, and then he went back to

541
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Speaker 2: Bosnia and told his friends about this exciting new opportunity.

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Speaker 2: All they had to do was steal a bunch of

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Speaker 2: guns and find a way to get to England. What

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Speaker 2: we do know for certain is that all three of

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Speaker 2: those mercenaries left Bosnia on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 2: and on December thirtieth, they robbed a post office in

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Speaker 2: the German city of Lubec, making off with around eighty

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Speaker 2: five hundred Deutsche marks. I don't entirely know how to

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Speaker 2: sort out how much money that is. In nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 2: one US dollar was equal to about one point six

551
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Speaker 2: Deutsche marks, so that would make it a little over

552
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. But those are nineteen ninety three dollars,

553
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: so I guess you could best understand the actual value

554
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: of this money is around ten thousand US dollars today.

555
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: Don't email me about math. And with cash in hand,

556
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: they traveled from Germany to Ramsgate, that little seaside town

557
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Speaker 2: in England, where members of the League of Saint George

558
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Speaker 2: drove them to the airport, and, just like the mercenaries

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Speaker 2: that would follow them two months later, they were given

560
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Speaker 2: a name Monica hug It would pick them up from

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Speaker 2: the airport when they got to South Africa. They arrived

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Speaker 2: on tourist visas in January of nineteen ninety four, and

563
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Speaker 2: Monica was there as promised to pick them up. She

564
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: sorted other paperwork and work permits and their mercenary assignments,

565
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: passing them off to Horst Cleans. They were assigned as

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Speaker 2: armed guards at Radio Pretoria, an illegal radio station that

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Speaker 2: broadcast African Internationalists propaganda, and they participated in military drills

568
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Speaker 2: led by Willem Ratta, a former Rhodesian military officer. Everything

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Speaker 2: seemed to be going according to plan until March fourteenth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. By the time the next round of

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Speaker 2: mercenaries arrived a few days later, there was no one

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Speaker 2: there at the airport to greet them. Thomas Coonst was dead,

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Speaker 2: and Alexander Nydelein, Horst Clean's, Stephen Ray's, and Monica Huggett

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Speaker 2: had all been arrested. I really do hate to leave

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Speaker 2: you hanging again. I promise I'm not dragging this story

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Speaker 2: out on purpose to torment you. I was a little

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Speaker 2: preoccupied this past week, and I'll be entirely otherwise occupied

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Speaker 2: during the week you're hearing this. If you're listening to

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Speaker 2: this on the day it comes out, I am almost

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Speaker 2: certainly sitting in court right now. In October of last year,

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Speaker 2: I did a couple of episodes about Virginia's burning objects law.

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Speaker 2: There was a pair of episodes on Berry Black, the

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania clansman who challenged Virginia's cross burning statute and eventually

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Speaker 2: won his case at the Supreme Court. And there was

585
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Speaker 2: a third episode about a man who broke the law

586
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Speaker 2: Virginia wrote to replace that original crossburning ban. In that episode,

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Speaker 2: I talked a bit about the Nazi torch march that

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Speaker 2: took place here in my hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia on

589
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: August eleventh, twenty seventeen. The episode was about Tyler Diykes,

590
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: but he was just one of about a dozen men

591
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Speaker 2: who've been charged with burning an object with the intent

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Speaker 2: to intimidate. That's the law that replaced the old crossburning statute. Well,

593
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: this week, another one of those men is taking his

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Speaker 2: case to trial. So I lost a little bit of

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Speaker 2: time this week reviewing the facts so I can be

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Speaker 2: prepared to sit through the trial. And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: lose the entire next week. Sitting on a wooden bench

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Speaker 2: taking notes by hand, I would love to promise you

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Speaker 2: the final chapter of Monica Huggett's story is going to

600
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Speaker 2: come next week, but if I'm being realistic, it'll be

601
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Speaker 2: something else. I've been planning to do sort of a

602
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Q and A episode, so it might be that you

603
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: can submit questions for that on the Weird Little Guy's subreddit.

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00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: Just please don't send them to meet anywhere else, Like

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Speaker 2: on any other social media platform, I'll just lose them.

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Speaker 2: So if you have a question, please post it to

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00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: the subreddit, or if you absolutely for some reason cannot

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00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: do that, you can email it to me, but nowhere

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Speaker 2: else please, And depending on how things go during the trial,

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Speaker 2: I might have a minisode about the defendant, Basilio's pistols.

611
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: If you're curious about pistolis, I'll include a link in

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00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: the show notes to the pro publica article about his

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Speaker 2: discharge from the Marines after he was revealed to be

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Speaker 2: a member of Adam Woffen. So thank you for bearing

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Speaker 2: with me as I tell the story of Monica Stone

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Speaker 2: in these strange little chunks. I've really been enjoying how

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Speaker 2: much digging this one has demanded of me. I just

618
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Speaker 2: need a little more time to read some very weird

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Speaker 2: racist prophecies before I'm ready to write the last chapter.

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Speaker 2: Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media

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Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me Ellie Conger.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Sophie Lettterman and Robert Evans. The

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Speaker 2: show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The

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Speaker 2: theme music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email

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Speaker 2: me at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: I will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.

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Speaker 2: You can exchange conspiracy theories about the show with other

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Speaker 2: listeners on the Weird Little Guys subreddit. If you have

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Speaker 2: a burning question for me about the show, it's not

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Speaker 2: too late to get over to the subreddit. Apply to

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Speaker 2: a thread for an upcoming Q and a episode, but

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Speaker 2: pass always. Just don't post something that's gonna make you

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Speaker 2: one of my Weird Little Guys