WEBVTT - Episode 62: Your Questions Answered 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.320 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:03.880 much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.920 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:06.560 kind of want. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.440 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.600 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.600 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.400 Shane Baker, Marty Jerts and Justice to today last one 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:18.960 of the year, twenty twenty four. Good year. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:20.920 It's been a great year. It's been a great year 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:21.360 on the pond. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.400 I wanted to ask about your game before we got 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.120 to some of the questions. We asked people out there 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.120 for questions across Instagram and Twitter x whatever you're calling it. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.080 We got some good ones, we got some nerdy ones. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.360 I mean, it's stuff I expected to get. But you 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.400 had a good summer. Can you give us kind of 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.479 a recap pilot? Where have we talked about this on 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.680 the podcast, like a highlight of the way you played 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:39.440 throughout the summer. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.519 Yeah, it was one of those years, Shane, where it 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.920 might have been my best golf year, best year, but 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.040 I don't have anything to show for it. Okay, it 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.600 was one of those like type of situations. I played 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.280 really good locally, I won our match, our Southwest Section 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.160 match play, but then there was just so many close calls, 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:00.760 Like golf feels like it's like a death of a 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.360 thousand paper cuts. This was that year for me. Almost 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.920 made it into the PGA Championship, missed by like four 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.440 in a four round tournament, lost some playoff to get 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.640 through US Open locals down into your place down at 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:16.839 Suwaylo in Tucson. Then later in the summer, I lost 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.720 some playoff to get in the Shriners. So I'm like, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.440 I was so close. Arizona Open, I had my best 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.240 finish ever. That's a pretty big state Open, sponsored by 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.000 Paying down at Papago. So we're playing the new tees. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.800 It was playing like seventy six hundred yard par seventy. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.479 Yeah, the part threes are short, getting like hybrid three 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:36.360 wood on everyone. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.920 Getting hybrid three wood. There's a number fourteen. There's like 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.240 five hundred and twenty yard par four now, so you're 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.480 like roasting a four iron in there if you crush 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.119 your drive. But I was tied for the lead with 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.320 nine holes to play, ended up finishing fourth. So that 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.240 was my highest finish ever in Arizona Open. A couple 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.200 battling some young ping guys Michael Figels on the Corn 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.640 Ferry Tour, Nico Galletti DP World Tour Player. We're in 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.120 the field, so it's fun to kind of be battling 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.440 against them. So I had a great summer, like, played 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.040 really good, finished second on our Southwest Section points list. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.519 As you look towards twenty five, I know you're a 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.959 guy that I know in the like the winter time, 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.440 you will kind of get away from it, which is 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.040 funny to live in Arizona and not play a little 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.640 golf in the winner. But I know that's kind of 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.960 your time to step away. I also know you're looking 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.560 ahead always, So what does twenty five look like in 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.160 terms of your golf? Are you gonna do anything different 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.760 in terms of your prep headed into the next season. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.160 Yeah, I mean every year it's kind of like, uh, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.720 your little speed training, kind of get your speed up 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.240 over the winner. Then the tournament season comes and I 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.280 kind of regress on my speed. So this is my 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.400 time here, I'm training. Okay, So a few little nagging injuries, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.560 nothing serious, but kind of getting over those right now, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.919 doing my speed training, help coach my kids, and then 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.040 I need to work on my wedge play. Okay, So 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:52.160 especially for Arizona golf specifically, if so many web shots 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.120 from like pitching wedge, you know, one forty five down 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.480 to one hundred yards, I gotta get better at that. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.639 That's where that's where my competitors in the section might 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.560 have a little edge on better. So I'm gonna dial 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:03.840 in my wedge play this this year. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.840 I'm gonna I'm gonnalean into the stack this winter. I'm 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:06.840 gonna do a little stack. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:07.440 You speed up. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.519 Yeah, James Nitties and I who I do the corn 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.080 fairy stuff with him and I are doing a little 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.200 competition with a stack, so we'll see what our numbers 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:14.520 look like. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.799 It's really fun to do in the off season. You 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.280 don't need to care where the ball's going. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.799 Is the point is it just swing? Just just swing 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.400 really hard and get ready for golf. Obviously, live in 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:24.959 the Northeast, it's like, what are you gonna do in 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.800 the winter anything, So it's a perfect time to do that. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.560 I want to get in some questions because we got 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:34.720 some good ones, we got some interesting ones. One of these, well, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.560 the first question that I thought was great was just 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.960 how is Marty so smart? Marty, do you have an 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:39.440 answer for that? 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.880 Twenty years of coming into the office every single day 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.480 and being around the smartest people in golf. The culture 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.160 here at Ping is phenomenal. It's like all you have 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.560 to do is come to work and ask some questions 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.160 of your co workers. And there's this famous quote which 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.600 is like the further you are from the shore, the 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.320 deeper the ocean. So it's like, you come into work, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.920 you ask questions. You can't help, but you know, just 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.160 chipping away and get a little smarter every day. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.000 Lean on someone Chris Colevali I think is the name, said, 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.800 can you speak to what's coming down the pike for 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.440 you guys in twenty twenty five. I know you can't 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.039 reveal too much in terms of new product, but maybe 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.720 just give people an idea of what to expect over 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.600 the next couple of months from Ping. Yeah, it's gonna 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.839 be exciting. It's gonna be super exciting. We have amazing 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.560 product in pretty much every category coming down the pipe. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.760 So some great R and D that we've been working 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.440 on here at the proving grounds. The engineers are working 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:41.680 on some material innovation, some modeling, innovations. Some technology with 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.680 regards to new shaft designs is coming down the pipe 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.920 pretty soon. We're seeding some things on the tour right now, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.720 which is super duper exciting. Spring of twenty five is 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.360 gonna be arguably our most exciting product launch of all time. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.120 What a tease, man, It's like you almost have done 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.360 this for a living Slight asked, how can I recreate? 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.440 And I don't know if we can recreate it, but 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.080 how do I recreate Ping's grip taping spindle in my garage? 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.440 Ooh, the taping spindle? Now that's great if anyone's ever 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.440 been on a tour Ping, I think we have a video. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.880 If you go to our web page, you see that 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.840 we tape our grips different than everybody else. So Carston, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.800 our founder, he was trying to figure out. He was 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.159 always questioning everything. You know, you want to kind of 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.360 be that little skeptic, like is this the right way 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.520 to do it? In? The classic way to tape to 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.360 tape regrip your clubs at home is you use tape, 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.000 you fold it over, you get a little seam that 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.720 can be kind of annoying if you're not like. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.120 I do it at my house. That's how I do it, right, 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:42.440 I mean I don't have a spindle. That's how I 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:42.920 do it at home. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.520 You get that little seam. And he actually did testing 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.080 back back when Carson came up with this process. The 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.000 tape wasn't as good, okay, so you could actually pull 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.440 the grip off and it would get loose or twist. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.720 And so he tried the spindle method, which is both 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.640 faster to do in production so we could build club quicker, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.960 and the strength was more when he tried to pull 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:06.800 the grips off. So he came up with this method. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.720 It stuck. It's our proprietary equipment. We do a lot 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.400 of things here that are kind of trade secret. We 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.600 build all of our own equipment manufacturing equipment here to 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.080 support our team that does our assembly. So it's a 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.480 fun method to do. I'm really slow at it when 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.760 we go down work production, but if you go down 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.479 and see our production folks doing that, they do it 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:25.919 so fast it's incredible. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.320 So for a slide dog leg, the answer is come 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:29.960 to ping and get your clu script. There you go. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.920 That's the answer for you. John Gilman said, how do 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.880 you know what's actually time to upgrade? Your clubs, which 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.320 I do think is probably a question that would be 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.520 considered generic, but I also think it's probably something people 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:41.440 think a lot about a lot. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.760 Yeah, No, it's a great one, I think. In you know, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.280 the way I would look at that is you look 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.560 at the most important categories for scoring, which is driving 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.320 and putting. So I would be almost continuously looking at 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.479 those those those clubs. If you're in a really well 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.279 fit driver, it does not hurt once a year to 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.040 go out and see if our latest technology can beat it. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.880 Your game and your body evolves also, so your swing changes. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.160 I think this is like the way to really think 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.400 about a tour fitting is that no tour players ever 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.640 really like static in their their clubs. The everyday golfer 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.440 is the same. Your your your swing could change, your 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.720 angle of attack, could change things of this nature. So 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.640 at least once a year I would go check in 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.560 on your driver, make sure it's fit well. We actually 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.720 have tools built into our apps we make, like pink 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.920 Co Pilot that can do a strokes gain comparison, so 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.000 you could go in and hit your driver, hit it 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.800 compared to one of our new ones and let the 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.640 strokes gain do the talking. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.160 Yeah, I mean, if the numbers look good to you, 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.080 I think that's probably your answer, right, Like it's timed 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.680 upgrade exactly. How do you get the PLD patina finish? 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.680 Somebody asked, Yeah, it's very popular and it's one people 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.240 I think are big fans. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.480 Of the Patina is a beautiful finish, And what patina 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.360 is it's kind of like an oxidation process. So when 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.000 it happens out on I don't know, you have like 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.960 a copper wind chimes and have that turquoise color to it, 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.240 or the Statue of Liberty is the kind of a 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.440 version of a Patina finish. It's a natural oxidation that 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:18.320 occurs out in the natural environment on certain types of alloys. Well, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.480 we have a way to do that in a super 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:26.200 controlled fashion that gets that oxidation to occur perfectly uniform 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.640 on the putter, so you get that beautiful look, that 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.880 beautiful oxidation. So it's a chemical process that we do 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.240 under very strict process controls that allows us to get 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:37.160 that uniform look. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.000 I think all the answers to like the super like 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.240 like in depth golf questions, is it takes a lot 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.520 of time and a lot of effort from the team. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.080 Yeah, No, it's we were still trying to perfect that 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.280 Patina finish, and that's why it took us a long 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.360 time to be able to launch it to consumers. We've 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.680 done it for tour players, but we could do it. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.120 It's not perfect. We rework it and do it again, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.559 but we're finally excited to pass that along as a 0:08:58.600 --> 0:08:59.360 finish in PLD. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.480 I think you get this question a lot. I think 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.160 it's been a popular talking point throughout the podcast. Full 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:12.319 Specs on Jersey on Marty's Thriver build. How often do 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.240 you get asked about the Thriver first foremost? 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:15.000 Yeah, no, a ton. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.679 I mean it's like, I mean, this might be your 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.640 lasting legacy at ping, is the Thriver? 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.640 Quite honestly, it's It's part of It's one of the 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.920 reasons I had a really good playing season this year 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.960 because I can't remember a time where I hit my 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.400 Thriver like in the desert or got a penalty shot 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.360 or something, you know, which with the traditional three wood 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.320 I would definitely have done. So Yeah, I've been playing 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.880 it close to two years now, a good year and 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.360 a half. I played it last season. This season, my 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.600 specs are twelve degree max head, so G four to 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.080 thirty twelve degree max. I put the seed the Hozle 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.680 trajectory tuning hozzle in the flat position, so it's three 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.200 degrees flat. This is kind of the semi secret settings 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.120 opposite the dot position three degrees flat. For langle, I 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.160 put the CG shifter in the fade or the toe setting. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.360 I've built in about D four swing weight, and I 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.959 put our Tour two point zero black shaft. This thing is. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.880 It's pretty stout at forty three and a quarter inches, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:17.520 so that's my specs for the driver. Absolutely love it. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.920 It's functional enough off the ground, but I mean eighty 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:23.960 ninety percent of the time I'm hitting that thing off 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:24.320 the teeth. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:25.680 What's the distance on your thriver? 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.160 I just I usually kind of tee it low and 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.320 sort of chip it down there, and it's never full. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.160 I don't think I'm ever trying to. I mean, you've 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.120 you've talked me into the thriv I love it as well, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.320 but you're never going for full four at it. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.840 I mean I fly it between two sixty five and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.880 two seventy depends on the course conditions how far that 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.920 thing needs to roll out. Obviously I can hit it. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.760 You could do the same thing I mean, we could 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.040 build a club to go further, but then it turns 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:49.600 into your driver. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.360 There's no point. I mean, you don't want it like that. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.400 And we talked so much about gappy and we did it, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.040 especially early in the podcast. We talked a lot about gapping, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.240 and I think that is one thing is just making 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.600 sure it's not overlapping another golf club way right. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.400 Yeah, I actually don't want it to go too far 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.319 right because I needed to go that very specific number. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.600 Is it probably flies two seventy stock you know, then 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.440 average rolls out to maybe two eighty something right in there. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.160 J Pat Brown said, your favorite interview of the year, Marty, 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.000 do you have a podcast episode that comes to mind? 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:19.400 I would. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.880 I'll start. I mean, I I got a chance to 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.640 talk to Bubba and do a podcast with Bubba Masters 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.280 week in Augusta, and he came in and he was 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.600 in an awesome mood, and he was, you know, like 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.560 really excited about chatting about you know, not just the week, 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.760 but just kind of his experience at Augusta, Nashvill and 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.040 the Masters and stuff like that. And I really enjoyed it. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.160 I mean, I like getting to chat with Bubba when 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.520 Bubba's rocking and rolling. I don't know if there's anything 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.720 more fun to do in golf, and he was dialed, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.720 so I'd say Bubba is very high on my list. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.320 Yeah, I would. Yeah, No, that's great. I think in 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.199 twenty three it was Victor right after on the BMW. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.120 You know, we were talking about that before the podcast started. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.520 You know, you forget you know, Victor and people behind 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.520 the scenes like getting players to agree to do stuff. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:03.839 I mean, it's not always the easiest thing in the 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.440 world because they've got a lot of stuff going on, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.200 and then a guy wins a big tournament like Victor did, 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.240 and stuff gets complicated. He has other interview requests, he's 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.120 got other you know, maybe TV appearance he's got to do. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.360 On that Monday, he came right in on Right in 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.280 the Rock and he he jumped in, didn't get a 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.280 out of sleep, and he admitted on the podcast. But yeah, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.120 getting getting Victor right there was fine. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.439 That was my favorite twenty three. I think this year's 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.719 version of that was like probably Lauren Coughlin. We had 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.640 her right during the middle of her hot run, right. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.240 I think we talked to her a few days after 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.840 she got picked for the Solheim Cup team, so I 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.040 would say, yeah, pretty close between her and Matt McCarty. Yep, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.880 we had both of them on right and similar to Victor, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:42.920 I love talking to the players right when they're in 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.480 the middle of their their golf heaters. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.360 The McCarty one was great. I mean, you know, obviously 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.720 get a chance to like I've known that for a 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.560 long time, but getting a chance to kind of cover 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.720 that corn Fairy Tour run and it felt like every 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.679 single week and to see it click in, you know. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.120 I mean, he came so close in twenty three to 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.760 get his PJA Tour card. I mean he missed out 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.920 basic make it a big number on the last hole 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.280 of the finals. I mean, that was what kept him 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.040 from getting his PGA Tour card. And guys can go away. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.320 It's easy to go away when something like that happens. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.240 We actually had an unfortunate situation at Q School last 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.720 year in twenty three where a guy had a penalty 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.440 and really struggled this past year in terms of playing. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.280 I mean, he was very close to get his PGA 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.319 Tour card that way, and to see Matt bounce right 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.559 back and then to find this form and him talk 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.840 about it on the podcast. I would urge people. You 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.920 mentioned the Lauren episode, which I thought was great. I 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.480 would tell people if there's a couple to go back 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.840 and listen to Matt's. Matt's story is very cool, you know, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:37.080 seeing guys kind of do that level. Joe Smith asked 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.760 a question, and I actually think this is interesting for you, Marty. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.000 How do you choose your pink clubs? There's so many 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.840 pin clubs out there. How do you go about choosing 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.319 what goes in your bag versus some of the other 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.080 clubs that maybe might not make the cut? 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.400 Yeah, meet me personally. Yeah, this is kind of a 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.240 hard thing for me to do because I do get 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.599 to experiment and go hit all the clubs, and I 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.760 could kind of self fit myself heal. But I schedule 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.520 a fitting and we talked to the Summer Hayes family. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.839 They do this too. They have Summer Hayes Day here 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.079 at Ping. Everybody, whole family comes in. It's it's like 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.600 a pilgrimage, you know, they come in, they all get 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.120 get their bags settled. For the most part. Obviously, they'll 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.920 make a little micro tweaks throughout the year. I tried this. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.320 I make a very concerted effort to schedule a fitting 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.400 for myself. So with with our master fitters made with 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.280 Brad Millard, our one of our PGA tour reps, who's 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:28.960 a great fitter I ever lied a upon for a 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.080 long time and I just blank out. I just tell 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.920 them treat me like I'm up, you've never seen me before, right, 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.120 and fit me into whatever. And I love doing that. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.120 And that's when I can open the open, open the 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.160 door to maybe try something to them and tried normally. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.880 You know, Brad Millard was the one that got me 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.120 into the shaft that I use my been using my 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.760 driver for the last couple of years, the RDX blue shaft. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.160 I would I would not have known that, right, And 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.760 so uh that's what I try to do and be 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.400 super open minded about it now. Yeah, I do kind 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.400 of No I want. I'm gonna be a blueprint ass 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:02.040 type of player. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:02.840 That's what I was gonna say. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:03.000 For you. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.280 I'm sure it's tough because I'm sure you go into it. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.880 I mean, you can tell a fitter, you know, approaches 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.640 like you've never met me before, but you know so 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.200 much about all the golf clubs. I'm sure you already 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.760 have an idea of what you're gonna be playing and 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.280 then to be a little bit more open minded. I 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.120 bet it's important to go in there just because you 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.080 might throw a four iron in you weren't gonna play before. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.960 Yeah. Yeah, And that's really where it comes down to 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.600 those transition clubs. So four iron do I need to 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.720 go to you know, you know, a different foreign solution, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.320 maybe a different one for different conditions, different time of year. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.480 Brad Mollard got me into playing the Blueprint Tea and 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.400 the pitching Wedge. Absolutely love. That's one of my favorite clubs. Yeah. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.000 So you know, different players with different skills, they can 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.160 switch Blueprints in different parts of the bag. I can 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.160 play the Blueprint te pitching pitching wedge. Jacob Clark got 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.520 me in a great mix. I played the Wide Soul 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.880 or w fifty six degree. You talked me into this. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.640 I mean, I do the same thing now, Yeah, And 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.400 I would urge people if you know, you know, like 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.200 like it's great for bunker play. I think that was 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:59.760 one of the reasons you talked me into it was 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.960 long bunker shots. Have you got debunkers at your club 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.040 and stuff like that. The White Soul fifty six has 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.520 been a big, big win in my bag. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.200 Yeah, so that was Jacob Clark's kind of cheat code 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.520 from the tour is to really create a bigger differentiation 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.360 in your sand wedge and your LOBWTCH because I think 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.120 the default is, oh, I'll play the s grind in 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.440 my sandwich, I'll play that in my lob wedg. There's 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.360 a lot of benefit to having that wider soul in 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.520 your sandwich. I'm a little steeper, you get a little 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.600 steep from time to time, and then playing a totally 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.160 different green side optimized lab wedge, so I play our 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.160 you know, our t grind traditionally in the in the 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:34.000 law bunch well. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.240 And what I've noticed with the two with the two 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.240 different options in the fifty six and the sixty is 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.920 around the greens as well, depending on where you're playing 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.160 in the country. I mean, some of the times it's 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.040 important to go with that wide soul fifty six with 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.160 a shot you might hit sixty with just because you've 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.400 got a little bit more club to work with there. Yeah. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.360 G Shaw Golf said, why does Ping have different lie 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.479 angles lie angle increments between clubs that the other manufacturers 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.480 and why does this make the delta larger within a set. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.720 Ooh, that's a great question. So this is for the 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.880 golf techies out there. So if you go on our 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.360 website and you look at the length of iron irons, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:12.120 then our liingel the the we change the liingel at 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.200 three quarters of a degree more upright per every half 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.480 inch shorter you go in the club right. So this 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.359 kind of ratio is a little bit different than what 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.120