Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I
Speaker 2: kind of want.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast.
Speaker 2: Shane Baker, Marty Jerts and Justice to today last one
Speaker 2: of the year, twenty twenty four. Good year.
Speaker 1: It's been a great year. It's been a great year
Speaker 1: on the pond.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask about your game before we got
Speaker 2: to some of the questions. We asked people out there
Speaker 2: for questions across Instagram and Twitter x whatever you're calling it.
Speaker 2: We got some good ones, we got some nerdy ones.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's stuff I expected to get. But you
Speaker 2: had a good summer. Can you give us kind of
Speaker 2: a recap pilot? Where have we talked about this on
Speaker 2: the podcast, like a highlight of the way you played
Speaker 2: throughout the summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of those years, Shane, where it
Speaker 1: might have been my best golf year, best year, but
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to show for it. Okay, it
Speaker 1: was one of those like type of situations. I played
Speaker 1: really good locally, I won our match, our Southwest Section
Speaker 1: match play, but then there was just so many close calls,
Speaker 1: Like golf feels like it's like a death of a
Speaker 1: thousand paper cuts. This was that year for me. Almost
Speaker 1: made it into the PGA Championship, missed by like four
Speaker 1: in a four round tournament, lost some playoff to get
Speaker 1: through US Open locals down into your place down at
Speaker 1: Suwaylo in Tucson. Then later in the summer, I lost
Speaker 1: some playoff to get in the Shriners. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was so close. Arizona Open, I had my best
Speaker 1: finish ever. That's a pretty big state Open, sponsored by
Speaker 1: Paying down at Papago. So we're playing the new tees.
Speaker 1: It was playing like seventy six hundred yard par seventy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the part threes are short, getting like hybrid three
Speaker 2: wood on everyone.
Speaker 1: Getting hybrid three wood. There's a number fourteen. There's like
Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty yard par four now, so you're
Speaker 1: like roasting a four iron in there if you crush
Speaker 1: your drive. But I was tied for the lead with
Speaker 1: nine holes to play, ended up finishing fourth. So that
Speaker 1: was my highest finish ever in Arizona Open. A couple
Speaker 1: battling some young ping guys Michael Figels on the Corn
Speaker 1: Ferry Tour, Nico Galletti DP World Tour Player. We're in
Speaker 1: the field, so it's fun to kind of be battling
Speaker 1: against them. So I had a great summer, like, played
Speaker 1: really good, finished second on our Southwest Section points list.
Speaker 2: As you look towards twenty five, I know you're a
Speaker 2: guy that I know in the like the winter time,
Speaker 2: you will kind of get away from it, which is
Speaker 2: funny to live in Arizona and not play a little
Speaker 2: golf in the winner. But I know that's kind of
Speaker 2: your time to step away. I also know you're looking
Speaker 2: ahead always, So what does twenty five look like in
Speaker 2: terms of your golf? Are you gonna do anything different
Speaker 2: in terms of your prep headed into the next season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every year it's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: your little speed training, kind of get your speed up
Speaker 1: over the winner. Then the tournament season comes and I
Speaker 1: kind of regress on my speed. So this is my
Speaker 1: time here, I'm training. Okay, So a few little nagging injuries,
Speaker 1: nothing serious, but kind of getting over those right now,
Speaker 1: doing my speed training, help coach my kids, and then
Speaker 1: I need to work on my wedge play. Okay, So
Speaker 1: especially for Arizona golf specifically, if so many web shots
Speaker 1: from like pitching wedge, you know, one forty five down
Speaker 1: to one hundred yards, I gotta get better at that.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where my competitors in the section might
Speaker 1: have a little edge on better. So I'm gonna dial
Speaker 1: in my wedge play this this year.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonnalean into the stack this winter. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do a little stack.
Speaker 1: You speed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Nitties and I who I do the corn
Speaker 2: fairy stuff with him and I are doing a little
Speaker 2: competition with a stack, so we'll see what our numbers
Speaker 2: look like.
Speaker 1: It's really fun to do in the off season. You
Speaker 1: don't need to care where the ball's going.
Speaker 2: Is the point is it just swing? Just just swing
Speaker 2: really hard and get ready for golf. Obviously, live in
Speaker 2: the Northeast, it's like, what are you gonna do in
Speaker 2: the winter anything, So it's a perfect time to do that.
Speaker 2: I want to get in some questions because we got
Speaker 2: some good ones, we got some interesting ones. One of these, well,
Speaker 2: the first question that I thought was great was just
Speaker 2: how is Marty so smart? Marty, do you have an
Speaker 2: answer for that?
Speaker 1: Twenty years of coming into the office every single day
Speaker 1: and being around the smartest people in golf. The culture
Speaker 1: here at Ping is phenomenal. It's like all you have
Speaker 1: to do is come to work and ask some questions
Speaker 1: of your co workers. And there's this famous quote which
Speaker 1: is like the further you are from the shore, the
Speaker 1: deeper the ocean. So it's like, you come into work,
Speaker 1: you ask questions. You can't help, but you know, just
Speaker 1: chipping away and get a little smarter every day.
Speaker 2: Lean on someone Chris Colevali I think is the name, said,
Speaker 2: can you speak to what's coming down the pike for
Speaker 2: you guys in twenty twenty five. I know you can't
Speaker 2: reveal too much in terms of new product, but maybe
Speaker 2: just give people an idea of what to expect over
Speaker 2: the next couple of months from Ping. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be exciting. It's gonna be super exciting. We have amazing
Speaker 2: product in pretty much every category coming down the pipe.
Speaker 2: So some great R and D that we've been working
Speaker 2: on here at the proving grounds. The engineers are working
Speaker 2: on some material innovation, some modeling, innovations. Some technology with
Speaker 2: regards to new shaft designs is coming down the pipe
Speaker 2: pretty soon. We're seeding some things on the tour right now,
Speaker 2: which is super duper exciting. Spring of twenty five is
Speaker 2: gonna be arguably our most exciting product launch of all time.
Speaker 2: What a tease, man, It's like you almost have done
Speaker 2: this for a living Slight asked, how can I recreate?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we can recreate it, but
Speaker 2: how do I recreate Ping's grip taping spindle in my garage?
Speaker 1: Ooh, the taping spindle? Now that's great if anyone's ever
Speaker 1: been on a tour Ping, I think we have a video.
Speaker 1: If you go to our web page, you see that
Speaker 1: we tape our grips different than everybody else. So Carston,
Speaker 1: our founder, he was trying to figure out. He was
Speaker 1: always questioning everything. You know, you want to kind of
Speaker 1: be that little skeptic, like is this the right way
Speaker 1: to do it? In? The classic way to tape to
Speaker 1: tape regrip your clubs at home is you use tape,
Speaker 1: you fold it over, you get a little seam that
Speaker 1: can be kind of annoying if you're not like.
Speaker 2: I do it at my house. That's how I do it, right,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't have a spindle. That's how I
Speaker 2: do it at home.
Speaker 1: You get that little seam. And he actually did testing
Speaker 1: back back when Carson came up with this process. The
Speaker 1: tape wasn't as good, okay, so you could actually pull
Speaker 1: the grip off and it would get loose or twist.
Speaker 1: And so he tried the spindle method, which is both
Speaker 1: faster to do in production so we could build club quicker,
Speaker 1: and the strength was more when he tried to pull
Speaker 1: the grips off. So he came up with this method.
Speaker 1: It stuck. It's our proprietary equipment. We do a lot
Speaker 1: of things here that are kind of trade secret. We
Speaker 1: build all of our own equipment manufacturing equipment here to
Speaker 1: support our team that does our assembly. So it's a
Speaker 1: fun method to do. I'm really slow at it when
Speaker 1: we go down work production, but if you go down
Speaker 1: and see our production folks doing that, they do it
Speaker 1: so fast it's incredible.
Speaker 2: So for a slide dog leg, the answer is come
Speaker 2: to ping and get your clu script. There you go.
Speaker 2: That's the answer for you. John Gilman said, how do
Speaker 2: you know what's actually time to upgrade? Your clubs, which
Speaker 2: I do think is probably a question that would be
Speaker 2: considered generic, but I also think it's probably something people
Speaker 2: think a lot about a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a great one, I think. In you know,
Speaker 1: the way I would look at that is you look
Speaker 1: at the most important categories for scoring, which is driving
Speaker 1: and putting. So I would be almost continuously looking at
Speaker 1: those those those clubs. If you're in a really well
Speaker 1: fit driver, it does not hurt once a year to
Speaker 1: go out and see if our latest technology can beat it.
Speaker 1: Your game and your body evolves also, so your swing changes.
Speaker 1: I think this is like the way to really think
Speaker 1: about a tour fitting is that no tour players ever
Speaker 1: really like static in their their clubs. The everyday golfer
Speaker 1: is the same. Your your your swing could change, your
Speaker 1: angle of attack, could change things of this nature. So
Speaker 1: at least once a year I would go check in
Speaker 1: on your driver, make sure it's fit well. We actually
Speaker 1: have tools built into our apps we make, like pink
Speaker 1: Co Pilot that can do a strokes gain comparison, so
Speaker 1: you could go in and hit your driver, hit it
Speaker 1: compared to one of our new ones and let the
Speaker 1: strokes gain do the talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if the numbers look good to you,
Speaker 2: I think that's probably your answer, right, Like it's timed
Speaker 2: upgrade exactly. How do you get the PLD patina finish?
Speaker 2: Somebody asked, Yeah, it's very popular and it's one people
Speaker 2: I think are big fans.
Speaker 1: Of the Patina is a beautiful finish, And what patina
Speaker 1: is it's kind of like an oxidation process. So when
Speaker 1: it happens out on I don't know, you have like
Speaker 1: a copper wind chimes and have that turquoise color to it,
Speaker 1: or the Statue of Liberty is the kind of a
Speaker 1: version of a Patina finish. It's a natural oxidation that
Speaker 1: occurs out in the natural environment on certain types of alloys. Well,
Speaker 1: we have a way to do that in a super
Speaker 1: controlled fashion that gets that oxidation to occur perfectly uniform
Speaker 1: on the putter, so you get that beautiful look, that
Speaker 1: beautiful oxidation. So it's a chemical process that we do
Speaker 1: under very strict process controls that allows us to get
Speaker 1: that uniform look.
Speaker 2: I think all the answers to like the super like
Speaker 2: like in depth golf questions, is it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of time and a lot of effort from the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's we were still trying to perfect that
Speaker 1: Patina finish, and that's why it took us a long
Speaker 1: time to be able to launch it to consumers. We've
Speaker 1: done it for tour players, but we could do it.
Speaker 1: It's not perfect. We rework it and do it again,
Speaker 1: but we're finally excited to pass that along as a
Speaker 1: finish in PLD.
Speaker 2: I think you get this question a lot. I think
Speaker 2: it's been a popular talking point throughout the podcast. Full
Speaker 2: Specs on Jersey on Marty's Thriver build. How often do
Speaker 2: you get asked about the Thriver first foremost?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, a ton.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, I mean, this might be your
Speaker 2: lasting legacy at ping, is the Thriver?
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, it's It's part of It's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I had a really good playing season this year
Speaker 1: because I can't remember a time where I hit my
Speaker 1: Thriver like in the desert or got a penalty shot
Speaker 1: or something, you know, which with the traditional three wood
Speaker 1: I would definitely have done. So Yeah, I've been playing
Speaker 1: it close to two years now, a good year and
Speaker 1: a half. I played it last season. This season, my
Speaker 1: specs are twelve degree max head, so G four to
Speaker 1: thirty twelve degree max. I put the seed the Hozle
Speaker 1: trajectory tuning hozzle in the flat position, so it's three
Speaker 1: degrees flat. This is kind of the semi secret settings
Speaker 1: opposite the dot position three degrees flat. For langle, I
Speaker 1: put the CG shifter in the fade or the toe setting.
Speaker 1: I've built in about D four swing weight, and I
Speaker 1: put our Tour two point zero black shaft. This thing is.
Speaker 1: It's pretty stout at forty three and a quarter inches,
Speaker 1: so that's my specs for the driver. Absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: It's functional enough off the ground, but I mean eighty
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time I'm hitting that thing off
Speaker 1: the teeth.
Speaker 2: What's the distance on your thriver?
Speaker 1: I just I usually kind of tee it low and
Speaker 1: sort of chip it down there, and it's never full.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm ever trying to. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: you've talked me into the thriv I love it as well,
Speaker 2: but you're never going for full four at it.
Speaker 1: I mean I fly it between two sixty five and
Speaker 1: two seventy depends on the course conditions how far that
Speaker 1: thing needs to roll out. Obviously I can hit it.
Speaker 1: You could do the same thing I mean, we could
Speaker 1: build a club to go further, but then it turns
Speaker 1: into your driver.
Speaker 2: There's no point. I mean, you don't want it like that.
Speaker 2: And we talked so much about gappy and we did it,
Speaker 2: especially early in the podcast. We talked a lot about gapping,
Speaker 2: and I think that is one thing is just making
Speaker 2: sure it's not overlapping another golf club way right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually don't want it to go too far
Speaker 1: right because I needed to go that very specific number.
Speaker 1: Is it probably flies two seventy stock you know, then
Speaker 1: average rolls out to maybe two eighty something right in there.
Speaker 2: J Pat Brown said, your favorite interview of the year, Marty,
Speaker 2: do you have a podcast episode that comes to mind?
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: I'll start. I mean, I I got a chance to
Speaker 2: talk to Bubba and do a podcast with Bubba Masters
Speaker 2: week in Augusta, and he came in and he was
Speaker 2: in an awesome mood, and he was, you know, like
Speaker 2: really excited about chatting about you know, not just the week,
Speaker 2: but just kind of his experience at Augusta, Nashvill and
Speaker 2: the Masters and stuff like that. And I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like getting to chat with Bubba when
Speaker 2: Bubba's rocking and rolling. I don't know if there's anything
Speaker 2: more fun to do in golf, and he was dialed,
Speaker 2: so I'd say Bubba is very high on my list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. Yeah, No, that's great. I think in
Speaker 1: twenty three it was Victor right after on the BMW.
Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about that before the podcast started.
Speaker 2: You know, you forget you know, Victor and people behind
Speaker 2: the scenes like getting players to agree to do stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not always the easiest thing in the
Speaker 2: world because they've got a lot of stuff going on,
Speaker 2: and then a guy wins a big tournament like Victor did,
Speaker 2: and stuff gets complicated. He has other interview requests, he's
Speaker 2: got other you know, maybe TV appearance he's got to do.
Speaker 2: On that Monday, he came right in on Right in
Speaker 2: the Rock and he he jumped in, didn't get a
Speaker 2: out of sleep, and he admitted on the podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 2: getting getting Victor right there was fine.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite twenty three. I think this year's
Speaker 1: version of that was like probably Lauren Coughlin. We had
Speaker 1: her right during the middle of her hot run, right.
Speaker 1: I think we talked to her a few days after
Speaker 1: she got picked for the Solheim Cup team, so I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, pretty close between her and Matt McCarty. Yep,
Speaker 1: we had both of them on right and similar to Victor,
Speaker 1: I love talking to the players right when they're in
Speaker 1: the middle of their their golf heaters.
Speaker 2: The McCarty one was great. I mean, you know, obviously
Speaker 2: get a chance to like I've known that for a
Speaker 2: long time, but getting a chance to kind of cover
Speaker 2: that corn Fairy Tour run and it felt like every
Speaker 2: single week and to see it click in, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, he came so close in twenty three to
Speaker 2: get his PJA Tour card. I mean he missed out
Speaker 2: basic make it a big number on the last hole
Speaker 2: of the finals. I mean, that was what kept him
Speaker 2: from getting his PGA Tour card. And guys can go away.
Speaker 2: It's easy to go away when something like that happens.
Speaker 2: We actually had an unfortunate situation at Q School last
Speaker 2: year in twenty three where a guy had a penalty
Speaker 2: and really struggled this past year in terms of playing.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was very close to get his PGA
Speaker 2: Tour card that way, and to see Matt bounce right
Speaker 2: back and then to find this form and him talk
Speaker 2: about it on the podcast. I would urge people. You
Speaker 2: mentioned the Lauren episode, which I thought was great. I
Speaker 2: would tell people if there's a couple to go back
Speaker 2: and listen to Matt's. Matt's story is very cool, you know,
Speaker 2: seeing guys kind of do that level. Joe Smith asked
Speaker 2: a question, and I actually think this is interesting for you, Marty.
Speaker 2: How do you choose your pink clubs? There's so many
Speaker 2: pin clubs out there. How do you go about choosing
Speaker 2: what goes in your bag versus some of the other
Speaker 2: clubs that maybe might not make the cut?
Speaker 1: Yeah, meet me personally. Yeah, this is kind of a
Speaker 1: hard thing for me to do because I do get
Speaker 1: to experiment and go hit all the clubs, and I
Speaker 1: could kind of self fit myself heal. But I schedule
Speaker 1: a fitting and we talked to the Summer Hayes family.
Speaker 1: They do this too. They have Summer Hayes Day here
Speaker 1: at Ping. Everybody, whole family comes in. It's it's like
Speaker 1: a pilgrimage, you know, they come in, they all get
Speaker 1: get their bags settled. For the most part. Obviously, they'll
Speaker 1: make a little micro tweaks throughout the year. I tried this.
Speaker 1: I make a very concerted effort to schedule a fitting
Speaker 1: for myself. So with with our master fitters made with
Speaker 1: Brad Millard, our one of our PGA tour reps, who's
Speaker 1: a great fitter I ever lied a upon for a
Speaker 1: long time and I just blank out. I just tell
Speaker 1: them treat me like I'm up, you've never seen me before, right,
Speaker 1: and fit me into whatever. And I love doing that.
Speaker 1: And that's when I can open the open, open the
Speaker 1: door to maybe try something to them and tried normally.
Speaker 1: You know, Brad Millard was the one that got me
Speaker 1: into the shaft that I use my been using my
Speaker 1: driver for the last couple of years, the RDX blue shaft.
Speaker 1: I would I would not have known that, right, And
Speaker 1: so uh that's what I try to do and be
Speaker 1: super open minded about it now. Yeah, I do kind
Speaker 1: of No I want. I'm gonna be a blueprint ass
Speaker 1: type of player.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: For you.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's tough because I'm sure you go into it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can tell a fitter, you know, approaches
Speaker 2: like you've never met me before, but you know so
Speaker 2: much about all the golf clubs. I'm sure you already
Speaker 2: have an idea of what you're gonna be playing and
Speaker 2: then to be a little bit more open minded. I
Speaker 2: bet it's important to go in there just because you
Speaker 2: might throw a four iron in you weren't gonna play before.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's really where it comes down to
Speaker 1: those transition clubs. So four iron do I need to
Speaker 1: go to you know, you know, a different foreign solution,
Speaker 1: maybe a different one for different conditions, different time of year.
Speaker 1: Brad Mollard got me into playing the Blueprint Tea and
Speaker 1: the pitching Wedge. Absolutely love. That's one of my favorite clubs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, different players with different skills, they can
Speaker 1: switch Blueprints in different parts of the bag. I can
Speaker 1: play the Blueprint te pitching pitching wedge. Jacob Clark got
Speaker 1: me in a great mix. I played the Wide Soul
Speaker 1: or w fifty six degree. You talked me into this.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do the same thing now, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I would urge people if you know, you know, like
Speaker 2: like it's great for bunker play. I think that was
Speaker 2: one of the reasons you talked me into it was
Speaker 2: long bunker shots. Have you got debunkers at your club
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. The White Soul fifty six has
Speaker 2: been a big, big win in my bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was Jacob Clark's kind of cheat code
Speaker 1: from the tour is to really create a bigger differentiation
Speaker 1: in your sand wedge and your LOBWTCH because I think
Speaker 1: the default is, oh, I'll play the s grind in
Speaker 1: my sandwich, I'll play that in my lob wedg. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of benefit to having that wider soul in
Speaker 1: your sandwich. I'm a little steeper, you get a little
Speaker 1: steep from time to time, and then playing a totally
Speaker 1: different green side optimized lab wedge, so I play our
Speaker 1: you know, our t grind traditionally in the in the
Speaker 1: law bunch well.
Speaker 2: And what I've noticed with the two with the two
Speaker 2: different options in the fifty six and the sixty is
Speaker 2: around the greens as well, depending on where you're playing
Speaker 2: in the country. I mean, some of the times it's
Speaker 2: important to go with that wide soul fifty six with
Speaker 2: a shot you might hit sixty with just because you've
Speaker 2: got a little bit more club to work with there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: G Shaw Golf said, why does Ping have different lie
Speaker 2: angles lie angle increments between clubs that the other manufacturers
Speaker 2: and why does this make the delta larger within a set.
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a great question. So this is for the
Speaker 1: golf techies out there. So if you go on our
Speaker 1: website and you look at the length of iron irons,
Speaker 1: then our liingel the the we change the liingel at
Speaker 1: three quarters of a degree more upright per every half
Speaker 1: inch shorter you go in the club right. So this
Speaker 1: kind of ratio is a little bit different than what
Speaker 1: we've seen some of the competitors do, where they traditionally
Speaker 1: have been at more about half degree per half inch,
Speaker 1: So every club gets a half degree flatter. Ours get
Speaker 1: three quarters of a degree flatter as you go more
Speaker 1: longer in length. We've found that that we've come to
Speaker 1: that conclusion on our own independent research. So player testing
Speaker 1: dynamic delivery with our motion capture system. Now we have
Speaker 1: ARCOS on course data, because that's the ultimate kind of viewpoint,
Speaker 1: is our players missing the ball right on the golf course,
Speaker 1: and we saw that players with their long irons looking
Speaker 1: at our ARCOS data do tend to still miss the
Speaker 1: right a little bit. Right handed golfers with their long irons,
Speaker 1: So we have no reason to believe in both the
Speaker 1: three D delivery and the on course data with arcost
Speaker 1: that we should be making our long irons flatter. If anything,
Speaker 1: it would exasperate a problem that already exists. So that's
Speaker 1: a really fun one. We actually see. The perspective is
Speaker 1: we don't know why the others are at a half
Speaker 1: degree you it makes sense, yeah, But that being said,
Speaker 1: we do have a lot of golfers that in one
Speaker 1: of the benefits of our color code system, you can
Speaker 1: play different color codes in different parts of your irons.
Speaker 1: If you go through a fitting process and if you
Speaker 1: are a golfer that might have a different kind of
Speaker 1: transition of your long irons to short irons, you can
Speaker 1: play a different color code in your short irons than
Speaker 1: your mid irons and your long irons. We kind of
Speaker 1: around here in the ping Doome we kind of call
Speaker 1: that rainbowing your set. You can play different color codes
Speaker 1: in your set design. So we still have that ability
Speaker 1: to do it for the individual golfer, But on the
Speaker 1: macro level, we like three quarters of a degree per halfn't.
Speaker 2: All right, Marty, very important question. I did not prep
Speaker 2: you for this best shot you hit in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: single best golf shot. It doesn't have to be a
Speaker 2: tournament golf shot. Do you have a golf shot that
Speaker 2: stands out in your brain that you'll take into twenty
Speaker 2: five and go I need to remember to hit that one.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay up in Flagstaff Forest Islands. If you play
Speaker 1: Forest Islands, okay, Forest Islence.
Speaker 2: Well, and for people that don't know Arizona, one of
Speaker 2: the best courses in Arizona, if not the best.
Speaker 1: Golf up in the pine trees seven thousand feet. The
Speaker 1: eighteenth hole on the Canyon course, which the Cannon course
Speaker 1: is tough, is a par five is a wise cough
Speaker 1: split fairway, so you got fairway to the right. Then
Speaker 1: the holes designed a lay up like a three shot hole.
Speaker 1: Hit your t shot over to the right. If you
Speaker 1: hit it down the kind of the right side, you
Speaker 1: got a hanging lie ball above your feet. I actually
Speaker 1: think Wiscoff got a lot of inspiration on Canyon from Augusta, Okay,
Speaker 1: because you end up with these little hanging Hey, well
Speaker 1: is the ball above my feet? I got to hit
Speaker 1: this cut shot.
Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of like like they're intuitive right.
Speaker 2: It's like you're trying the ball once to go left
Speaker 2: and you want the ball to go right.
Speaker 1: So I hit a t shot. I'm just playing a
Speaker 1: casual round with some friends over to the right center
Speaker 1: of the fairway. You're blocked out by the trees a
Speaker 1: little bit. So it's all day long. The plays that
Speaker 1: lay it up just just hit your eight iron over
Speaker 1: there and then hit your tournament or you lay up
Speaker 1: one hundred percent for all day long. But I got
Speaker 1: like two sixty to the hole. You know it's up
Speaker 1: at elevation, but you got to hit about a thirty
Speaker 1: yard banana cut. Normally that would be you know, okay
Speaker 1: to do, but you got two things going against you.
Speaker 1: One the altitude. The ball doesn't curve as much up there,
Speaker 1: literally curves half as much at seven thousand feet. Two
Speaker 1: of the balls above your feet like this, I'm like, god,
Speaker 1: this is worth a shot. I opened the face on
Speaker 1: this five wood. I play a five wood up there
Speaker 1: so much. It was like a just like a goofy
Speaker 1: golf shot, like banana ball. Hit it out, went over
Speaker 1: the water. It's all water carry over. The water curved around,
Speaker 1: landed about ten feet shore, the hole went twenty feet past,
Speaker 1: drained it for eagle, made the three made it for eagle. Love.
Speaker 2: It's all what was yours? Well, I made a hole
Speaker 2: in one this year, but it was on a par
Speaker 2: three course, which, as you know, I think some people
Speaker 2: debate that is it a real hole in one. You know,
Speaker 2: here's here's kind of my point on it. Every every
Speaker 2: golfer in the world steps on every tee that they've
Speaker 2: ever played, and the goal is to make the shot
Speaker 2: in one. So to me, it's like, you made it
Speaker 2: in one. That's kind of a win. I actually, but
Speaker 2: it was the same trip. I was on this golf
Speaker 2: trip I go with three buddies of mine. We try
Speaker 2: to go once a year somewhere, and I was playing
Speaker 2: this money game and I was getting crushed. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're like seven holes in. I'm playing pretty good, but
Speaker 2: every time it's either I'm the partner I'm with because
Speaker 2: you could change partners throughout the hole. It's like one
Speaker 2: of those games, kind of a wolf game, and I'm
Speaker 2: getting murdered and I'm in the fair way. I'm this
Speaker 2: part four, and I look at my buddy and I go, well,
Speaker 2: I mean I might as well hold this out to
Speaker 2: finally get some dots because I can't get them any
Speaker 2: other way, and made it so called the hole out
Speaker 2: with the nine iron, So I think that was that
Speaker 2: was the day before the hole in one. But I
Speaker 2: still think the calling out the nine iron hole out
Speaker 2: was probably maybe my favorite moment of the year on
Speaker 2: the golf course. Yeah, I call it.
Speaker 1: It was like molinarious open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like when he made the cut was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You mean to make the cut with this one, I
Speaker 2: can do it. Well. It's been a fun years. Always
Speaker 2: I'm excited for twenty twenty five. New product in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, new podcast in twenty twenty five. We've got
Speaker 2: some awesome episodes that we're looking forward to there. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean we kind of go away a little bit
Speaker 2: in late December as we kind of get ready for
Speaker 2: the new year, and then back we're rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2: But always fund the chat. Always fun to do these podcasts.
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