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Speaker 1: like showing up to the fight in a fucking like um,

424
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, in the Age of Ultron, she's wearing like

425
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: literally like a Forever twenty one mini dress and like

426
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: topic jacket. Now we might finally get like an iconic

427
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: superhero lost. Yeah, Scarlett is pretty top not. It is

428
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: the look. It is the look, and we got a

429
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: little preview of it when she sort of looked into

430
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: the mindstone and saw her future incarnation. Yes, that she

431
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: did look still a sickening. That was a great moment.

432
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: That was sickening. Oh my god, bo hot, fuck shit.

433
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: I want to ask you both something. I've asked this

434
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: a million in a million different ways, two people. This

435
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: is not a new thing. I just find that it

436
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: gets more and more overwhelming, Like how are you but

437
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: either of you like consuming things now? Because I feel

438
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: like there's I can't keep up. Like today, I was

439
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: just I just had the random thought I was doing

440
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: the dishes or whatever, and I was like, well, I

441
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: guess I gotta watch It's a sin Like I'm like,

442
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: I guess like there's just like other two dues that

443
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: like work their way into like my everyday like tasks

444
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: now that I'm like I have I should do that.

445
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: I should watch that thing, which like, at a certain point,

446
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: one Division became bring me like, I like I would

447
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: go into work on Friday's and not have like and

448
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of downtime and be like, I guess

449
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: I'll watch one Division because it's a thing to get

450
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: off my to do list. Are we are is that

451
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: am I? Am I alone? And I think, yeah, you're

452
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: you're You're asking like, how do you how do you

453
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: put on your item? Work? What what you how are

454
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: you how are you working into your days? Is that?

455
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: Is that a fair question? Yeah? I mean I think

456
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: my my well, first of all, like the the impetus

457
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: for me to watch things is not like, uh, it's

458
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: more like what part of the cultural conversation do I

459
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: want to be on? And on UM? And also like

460
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: what am I actually enthusiastic about watching UM? But also

461
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: these days, at the end of the day, I just

462
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: need to like check out and usually watch something pretty mindless.

463
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: That's why I'm currently working my way back through old

464
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: seasons of Top Model, like season four, so like so iconic,

465
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: one of the craziest seasons of reality TV in history.

466
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean, everything happens that season. It's the the girl fainting,

467
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: the black face photo shoot challenge, right, it's um the uh,

468
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: it's really it really has everything. Um yeah, the girl

469
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: fainting was the episode before, UM the Quietivity, I think

470
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: that was the episode before. I think there's a maybe

471
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: like two in between them, like one two in between them,

472
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: got it? Got it? But yeah, you're right, like everything

473
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: that that girl fainting and tiras they cut to Tira

474
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: just standing there looking shocked and horrified but not moving,

475
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: and she doesn't she doesn't do anything anything. She was

476
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: primarily worried about ruining the take. She was like, do

477
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: we got that right? Because she felt she was concerned.

478
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: But like every every gift from Top Model comes from

479
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: season four? Yeah, is that is that? But make it

480
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: fashion or no? Is it that season? That's gonna be

481
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: from something earlier or later? It doesn't matter. I think

482
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: it's it might be later. I'm on cycle seven now. Yeah.

483
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: And the reason you can, the reason we can just

484
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: know you were on four and now you're on seven

485
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: is because they go by like that talk about mindless.

486
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: You don't need a brain to watch it, No, and

487
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: you can and you can, like you can check out

488
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: so much, right, you know, I actually tried watching nine

489
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: Fiance because of this podcast. I watched an entire season

490
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: of it. Oh my gosh, And what are your thoughts?

491
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that there's a need for breaks.

492
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: Sometimes it wasn't for me, Okay, I like, you know,

493
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed the experience of watching it. I watched UM

494
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: I think season two because that's what a Vulture article

495
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: told me with UM, and I watched the whole thing.

496
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I like, had a good time, but ultimately I was like,

497
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm good. I respect that. And you know,

498
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: the reason I watched it was because Bowen threatened me

499
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: with the dissolution of our friendship if I did not,

500
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: and so I think that we roll the tape. I'm

501
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna Lisa Barlow roll the tape. That's what happened. So

502
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: basically I watched it, and what turned me off was

503
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: the ninety minute episodes of it all. They were too long.

504
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Stop watching drag Race, then, honey that well do you

505
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: so wait do you feel the drag Race episodes are

506
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: too long? Well, it's it's it's there too you long

507
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: and then untucked right after it. I usually two hours. Well,

508
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: because I you know, I've been doing like Friday Night

509
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: one drag Race into one Division, and so by the

510
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: end of the episode of drag Race, I'm like, we

511
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: got I get to Wan Division, I'll watched on Tuck

512
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: when I get to it. I feel like that's crazy

513
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: because the thing is, you could have watched One Division

514
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: the night before at mid absolute night. It's crazy friend,

515
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: and it's like the one social thing. It's Friday night.

516
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: It's Friday night in the Pandemic and we're watching drag Race.

517
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: It's t G I F Honey. Wait, actually that's a

518
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: real culture. It's really culture number one hundred and four

519
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: T honey. Yes, but wait, it's actually interesting you say

520
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: this thing about the mindlessness of it all because Bow

521
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and I don't know about you, but I actually had

522
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of people reach out after our last episode

523
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: saying they felt seen by us, saying that it was

524
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: hard to watch things that are challenging nowadays because of

525
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: the day to day of life and just it's I

526
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: felt I felt very similarly to you Rose, where it's

527
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: like I can't push myself into a place where I'm

528
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: a thinking too hard or be feeling too much because

529
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: it will ruin like a stasis that I've got down

530
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: at this point, you know what I mean. It's kind

531
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: of why I've started to finally get into TikTok, because

532
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: that is the most absolute mindless things that you can

533
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: do but still high enjoyment. Oh so fun I it's

534
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: so funny. There are some there's this one girl, there's

535
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: this one girl on there who does this series called

536
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: Baked Takes, and it's like, um, like, which Mama me

537
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: a character she would want to go bowling with and

538
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: ship like that. It's it's like so funny and people

539
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: on there are so creative, but also the algorithm like,

540
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm like new to TikTok, so I feel like the

541
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: algorithm is trying to figure me out, so you know,

542
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: it would like serve me things that I liked or

543
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: searched for um. And so for a while it was

544
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: like lesbians and Twilight um, and then I was like, Okay,

545
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: now let's start looking at one division now, like every

546
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: other TikTok is, and they're all like the same theory

547
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: over and over again. They're like and the theories are

548
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: always so dumb to like, I think Wanda might be

549
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: the superhero known as Scarlet Scarlett, which like when people

550
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: when what when like the pulpe of Agatha at the

551
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: end of the episode being like, this is chaos magic

552
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Wanda that makes you period, period period, the Scarlet Witch,

553
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: and people who are like we finally heard that she's

554
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: a scarlet which it's like, girl, she's been credited as

555
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: a Scarlette, which like on the movie's credits, like, no,

556
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't think she has I think she never liked

557
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: in the Wikipedia, it's like Wanda maximum slash Callet, which

558
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: like we know who she is, sure, but because of

559
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: the whole twenty three Fox owning x Or is like

560
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: what it is they weren't allowed to call or scarlet,

561
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: which until now, like it's it's a whole, like that's

562
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: why they were red cons to not even be mute. Yes, yes, right,

563
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, right, Okay, I got that, got

564
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Um it is funny. Um. But I just so a

565
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: couple of things I want to say. One division is

566
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: not challenging to me at all, and I do find

567
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: it enjoyable for that reason. Um. And in terms of

568
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: the algorithm, this is not TikTok, but well, for it's

569
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: been a while, I've had tik talk for like two

570
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: years at this point, the algorithm still doesn't know what

571
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: I like. And the Instagram and the Instagram algorithm, at

572
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: least on my discover page is all drag race stuff,

573
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: as if I was like the world's biggest drag race fan,

574
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm like, it's such an oversimplification of

575
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: like who I am and maybe I am that dumb

576
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: of a person. Not dumb, but just like that's simple,

577
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, maybe the algorithms are not as

578
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: powerful as we think. I mean, they will get better,

579
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, oh, like I feel kind of

580
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: ashamed that i'm too I'm too simple for the algorithms. Yeah,

581
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: sometimes your Explorer page starts to feel like a read yeah,

582
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: big time, big time always, but like I'm like, I'm

583
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: not this person, no, and it's unfortunately mine. It's just

584
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: like I'll go to my Explore page and it will

585
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: just be like essentially softcore porn, and then then I'll

586
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: just feel like shit because I'll just be like, Okay,

587
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: yeah it does. And this is where I think that

588
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: you're wrong about And I think that doesn't mean you're

589
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: too simpler, too stupid that like most no, no, what

590
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that Instagram cannot figure you out,

591
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: which makes you have power over it because you are

592
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: not some drag race super fan, and I know that

593
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: you are on Instagram all the time. So the fact

594
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: that like you're on Instagram all the time, you're on

595
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: your phone all the time, and instaes like I don't

596
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: know send him a Nina Bonina Brown doing makeup. It's

597
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: SENTI It's it's literally rankings of how many UM followers,

598
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: uh the season six queens have. It's like, why would

599
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: I want to know that? It's infographics of like vintage

600
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: drag Race seasons and imagine we actually like cut to

601
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: cut to like an avoider look on Bowen's life and

602
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: it is just him looking up like Trinity cable a

603
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: all day. That would be fun. I would like, I

604
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: would love that life. But I think that that means

605
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: that you have superior already over the app, which is

606
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: absolutely huge, and meanwhile it's it's reading me like a

607
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: fucking book. But also like who uses the Explore page? Right?

608
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I barely even check my feed. I just

609
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: like sometimes watch Instagram stories and mostly just like go

610
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: on Finn stuff. Well, okay, speak, I was gonna bring

611
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: up your finstad because I I when I think of

612
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: when I think of you Rose or when I think

613
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: of Fence to Culture, I go, you know, the person

614
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: who curates the best memes is a tie between Rose

615
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: and and Friend Toronto. I'm like, you two are somehow

616
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: in that you guys have figured out some sourcing or

617
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but you you both

618
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: like will curate the right memes. Well, he's also often

619
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: stealing memes from me. Where are you? Where are you

620
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: finding them? Um? No, I mean from from Twitter, from

621
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: other people's fence stuff. Yeah, they're not they're not the

622
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: scarlet witch. I know it's not. It's not chaos. Um,

623
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: it's just chaos. Well, first of all, I want to.

624
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: I want to share your handles so bad because it

625
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: really makes me laugh. Will you power? I said, I

626
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: want to. I'm not going to, but I mean, but

627
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: like I'll give a tease. I'll say, like what it's from.

628
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: I won't say what it is, but it is. It

629
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: is from the film. It's from last black Swan. Yeah,

630
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: was black Swan big major culture for you? Yes? I

631
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: love black Swan. I remember seeing it in theaters. I

632
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: was so obsessed. Um yeah, I love I love it.

633
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean I love most of his films. I loved

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Speaker 1: Mother mother exclamation point. My mom is actually in my

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Speaker 1: phone as a mother exclamation point. If I could italicize it,

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Speaker 1: I would, Oh my god. If you can make it

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Speaker 1: into the folklore font, into that like rustic font, you

638
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Speaker 1: would that's actually that's cuckoo bananas that you even bring

639
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Speaker 1: up Mother, because it's the second time Mother has come

640
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Speaker 1: up today in my personal life. Yes, because I was

641
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Speaker 1: talking about I Care a lot earlier and about how

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Speaker 1: people I think a lot of the response to the

643
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Speaker 1: movie are like people being like I didn't like that,

644
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Speaker 1: but and really it They didn't like the way it

645
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Speaker 1: made them feel because it's about a bad person, Whereas

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Speaker 1: I think Mother was sort of the same thing. Like

647
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Speaker 1: Mother did not make people feel good, but it was

648
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Speaker 1: extremely good at doing that, you know what I mean.

649
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: It also like it also made you want to talk

650
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Speaker 1: about it, Like I saw Mother with a bunch of

651
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Speaker 1: friends and we and we saw it, I think at

652
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: Williamsburg Cinemas in Brooklyn and walked from there to Kellogg's

653
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Speaker 1: Diner and had food, and we talked about the movie

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Speaker 1: from the time we left the theater until we all

655
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Speaker 1: got up and left at the end. And it's not

656
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Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily that we all loved it, but we

657
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Speaker 1: all just like really wanted to talk about it. That

658
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: scene where Christin Wig shoots someone is iconic. It's one

659
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: of the craziest collections of scenes that's ever been committed

660
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Speaker 1: to a collection of scenes is really good way, but

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Speaker 1: it's really the culture number thirty Mother Mother is the

662
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Speaker 1: most insane, one of the most insane put together on film.

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Speaker 1: And tell you, Lord, really and sometimes I will call

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Speaker 1: my mother mother and she really she really doesn't like

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Speaker 1: it for some reason, patronizing. That's wait, can I can

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Speaker 1: I share? Can I tell Matt we'll we'll bleep out

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Speaker 1: the handle. I swear to God, will bowen is you

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Speaker 1: can say it and then I'll do it in the

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Speaker 1: in the voice. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we we know

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Speaker 1: the voice. But okay, well, because I really want you

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Speaker 1: to be heroes for when I tell Matt, because I've

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Speaker 1: dreamed of this day. Actually I'm not I'm not even joking.

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Speaker 1: I'm like humiliated and embarrass that I'm already not following it.

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Speaker 1: And I have I have like a big complex about

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Speaker 1: fence to culture that I'm not like your well, your

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Speaker 1: fence to mattn is a no. But it's the the

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Speaker 1: I am a vox Lux stand up box Lux Truther.

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Speaker 1: It is that's her name again, what's the last Her

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Speaker 1: and her fans are called angels I am u cessed with.

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Speaker 1: There's bops from the e k G. Are you fucking

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Speaker 1: hitting me? Who have a heart attack? Yeah? The controversial Sia,

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Speaker 1: the lightning rod of controversy. That is CIA. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: the artists formerly noticed Patty Harrison. Alright, really that was art.

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Speaker 1: That was truly. May have to get Patty back on

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Speaker 1: the show to sort of answer for herself. I've been

687
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Speaker 1: wanting to get Patty on the show. You need to

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Speaker 1: bring her. She needs to come to the table to

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Speaker 1: the need to happen here contractually. Actually, um, we'll go

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Speaker 1: bo and do. This is the handle. This is the handle. Ready,

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Speaker 1: It's it's a little like Sean Connor. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: the way that people bleep, bleep bleep. But anyway, it

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Speaker 1: was good for us readers. Oh my god. Every time

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Speaker 1: I see it, I laugh, I audibly laugh. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume that your top two favorite Aronofsky are

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Speaker 1: Black Swan and Mother. Yeah, and what would you say

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Speaker 1: is the third? What are the other ones? I can

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Speaker 1: I tell you what I gag for the wrestler. I

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Speaker 1: thought the wrestler was amazing. Oh see, it's actually I

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Speaker 1: think better than you probably think because I get the

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Speaker 1: Mickey Rourke sort of on horror show. But like Marissa

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Speaker 1: Tolmay is so good in it, and every Rachel Woods

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Speaker 1: also great in it. Like it gives you something, It

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Speaker 1: gives the queers, you know something. I love Evan rachel Wood.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, bra no panties. Yes, the woman

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Speaker 1: who taught me to huff chelo, the woman who taught

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Speaker 1: me to huff. Wow, she actually brings to use it

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Speaker 1: off the use phrase. She actually brings it to you.

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Speaker 1: Every Ball thirteen was truly like it rocked me to

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Speaker 1: my core. I was like, I can't believe this girl

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Speaker 1: is acting this way. And it was Evan rachel Wood

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Speaker 1: through the character and Evan and Nicky Reid and Nicky

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Speaker 1: Reid Yeah, Nicky Reid who wrote it. Yeah, who famously

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Speaker 1: went on to be in Twilight. Yeah, she was. And

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Speaker 1: she also, like I think, married Ian Summerholder. Lucky bitch.

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Speaker 1: What a dream. Wait. But this is the thing about

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Speaker 1: True Blood though and Bone Were you a true Blood?

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Speaker 1: Sort of watched the I watched the first and then

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Speaker 1: I fell off. All right, So in the fourth season

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Speaker 1: they bring Fiona Shaw on as a witch, and I

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Speaker 1: feel they sort of ended Witches for a little bit

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Speaker 1: with that because they had a bad season with it

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Speaker 1: was it was not great, and it came off of

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Speaker 1: what I think were the two the best True Blood seasons,

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Speaker 1: which were two and three marian and then the Werewolves

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Speaker 1: and then oh my god, Oh my god. Uh Maryanne.

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Speaker 1: She was ever a moment, the moment, come on, no

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Speaker 1: miss Michelle Forbes, who was who played Marianne on True

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Speaker 1: Blood season two. I watched the killing because of her.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like a Michelle Forbes stam

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Speaker 1: and I love that actress. When she popped up in

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Speaker 1: the Hunger Games, I think I screamed audibly in the

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Speaker 1: movie theater and she was probably there, like I've been waiting.

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Speaker 1: Her family was so concerned. They's just been at every

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Speaker 1: show and it's playing on thousands of screens. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: but mary Ane's capable of many things. We should say. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That third season of True Blood features Dennis O'Hair and

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Speaker 1: a performance that I can only describe as made me come.

739
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Speaker 1: That's the one where he rips out the spine on TV.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, back when I used to be able

741
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Speaker 1: to sit through ship like that. See that's how you know,

742
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Speaker 1: I've been through a sea change as a person. Like

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Speaker 1: I used to be able to I used to fucking

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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with true Blood. Yeah, I don't get

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00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: it that. I don't get why you can't well, you're

746
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Speaker 1: so squeamish now, I don't know. You don't like I

747
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: don't like Gore. It has to be very pulpy, yeah,

748
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean you. I like, I had to watch Mother,

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Speaker 1: Like I think I saw that two percent of it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean because I was just like

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00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: that the whole time, and like like, and I feel

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Speaker 1: shitty about it because I want to, like, I want

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Speaker 1: to not be such a a little bit. Well, Rose,

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00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: you're you're you're a vampire person. You love your Twilight,

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00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: you love your true blood x x she that's right,

756
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Yeah. I I had an early

757
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: love of all things supernatural monsters. I mean, as a kid,

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Speaker 1: I loved Um and Rice. Um. I think that was

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00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: probably my first exposure. I read like Um Interview with

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00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: a Vampire like saw it way too young. And I

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00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: was a huge Buffy girl. Yes, okay, you would be.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was the I was like the Buffy

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Speaker 1: girl and the well were this Segway is perfectly into

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Speaker 1: the question, but I do want to get your take

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Speaker 1: on the Jos stuff if you yeah, um, you know

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00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: it's it's so it's so sad um because to think about, um,

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00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: how hard like to to think about the experiences that

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Speaker 1: these people had and to think about how, um, how

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Speaker 1: much pain went into making something that you love, um,

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Speaker 1: and so it will be forever tainted for me. And

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Speaker 1: that's why you know, probably like when we get to

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Speaker 1: the question, maybe like a couple of weeks or a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, like that might have been it

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Speaker 1: might have been I mean, and we'll get to my answer,

775
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: and like it's still kind of is partially um. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really shitty, and I think you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's so weird to think about how like this

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Speaker 1: man whose career has like always kind of featured these

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Speaker 1: stories about like strong women and wondering if like that

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Speaker 1: was maybe a way for him to excuse the way

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Speaker 1: that he like actually treated women behind the scenes. Yeah,

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00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: well you know you have to think that or again

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Speaker 1: this and this is I'm not an expert on this,

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00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: but like even hearing it stated that plainly, like someone

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Speaker 1: who's um about creating um powerful women, Like there's also

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Speaker 1: something with control about that, And there's so much with

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00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, abusers, like if you really boil it down,

788
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: like so much of it, almost all of it really

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00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: is about control, and so maybe there is something to that.

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00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: Because someone else who's credited with, you know, creating amazing

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00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: characters for women is Woody Allen. Like I wonder if

792
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Speaker 1: people are watching it that I've daigned to defend him recently,

793
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: like can actually watch this and sit and have that

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Speaker 1: sit in their spirit, because it's just interesting the parallels

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Speaker 1: because there are these people who, like, you know, Penelope

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Speaker 1: Crews when she won her Oscar for Vicky Carissina was like,

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Speaker 1: you can't talk about female characters without talking about Woody

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Speaker 1: Allen and I was like, well, in retrospect, that's pretty shitty. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is someone who worked with him to to acclaim.

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Speaker 1: So it's just it's it's interesting that I wonder there's

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Speaker 1: something to that m about the control about or oh

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00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, about um taking cover behind creating fictionally

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00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: strong women. Yeah, like women are only allowed to be strong, uh,

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00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: you know in fiction and on your terms. Yeah, and

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00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: it's always like you're you're the one giving the permission.

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00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: For sure. It feels like, um like, especially this actually

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Speaker 1: was gonna be my I don't think so, honey, maybe

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00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: it still can be. But like with the whole anti

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Speaker 1: hero movement, um it feels like we really only let

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Speaker 1: men get away with that. Really um Like, it feels like,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially like with even with I care a lot,

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00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: like not to bring it up again, but just because

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Speaker 1: it's because it is happening in the moment. No, well

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Speaker 1: I do, actually and so and so. Basically, what what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is like it feels like if a woman

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Speaker 1: is a pure, out and out villain, people don't know

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Speaker 1: what to do with it. Like even with something as

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Speaker 1: stupid and it should be as goofy as Maleficent. It's

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Speaker 1: like Maleficent should just be Maleficent. It's actually why we

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Speaker 1: bought the ticket is because I wanted to see Angelina

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Speaker 1: Jolie reek absolute Havoc and hell and fire flames on everyone,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't want to watch Cruella de Ville with

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Speaker 1: Emma Stone and find out she has mommy issues, darling, dear,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I because you know what her name

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Speaker 1: is actually cruel devil, so Emma Stone can actually just

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Speaker 1: I don't need to see her crying about trauma on

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Speaker 1: a bike. I can. I would like to see her

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Speaker 1: make a dog into a coat, because that's what Corrella

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Speaker 1: Deville is. And it's actually okay, I'm with you on

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Speaker 1: the Maleficent thing, like how do you call the second

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Speaker 1: movie Maleficent Mistress of Evil? And they're like, but she's

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Speaker 1: not really evil? You know who's bad? Michelle Fiverer like

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Speaker 1: and only kind of It's like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Like I I bought the ticket to see Angelina Jolie

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Speaker 1: be a final Us and like, the reason why we

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Speaker 1: loved all these villains when we were kids was like

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Speaker 1: because they were bad, not in spite of it. Right,

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Speaker 1: if if they do that to Ursula, someday she's gonna

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Speaker 1: be She's gonna be a girl boss, is going to

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Speaker 1: be running a small business down in that little cave

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Speaker 1: she has shop. Oh no. It was like the reason

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Speaker 1: I'm like this is because I didn't fit in the

843
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: body standards under the cr They're too much. And I

844
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: turned to water, witchy water. I remember when the rumors

845
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: were that it was gonna be Gaga, Gaga more snatched

846
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: than ever. She goes back to her art pop body

847
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: are classical, showing She's like, admit, I've been a nasty

848
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: like I'm just like Gaga. Oh my God, Like I

849
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: want to see that movie. We have to talk to

850
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: Rose about Gaga. I don't well. I reread I reread

851
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: the art pup Um Peace, and I fully agree with

852
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: you the one I wrote for Paper. Yes, so I

853
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: we sort of. I sort of went back down the

854
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: Rose wormhole and I was just like, especially in retrospect,

855
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: like art pop is my favorite Gaga um without it?

856
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: Is it? Really? Yeah? It is. It's so funny because

857
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: it's like when it came out, When it came out,

858
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: you hated it. I remember, Yeah, And in retrospect I

859
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: have a completely different opinion on it because I was

860
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: always like fearful of God God, because I was fearful

861
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: of myself. I I honestly think this. There are people

862
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: who are afraid of themselves and their sexuality and their identity.

863
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Are they distrust Gaga? They were they were slower to God.

864
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I really think that. Okay, okay, get

865
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: it interesting, this is interesting, but we should ask the question.

866
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Let's ask the question. This is the question we ask

867
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: all of our guests, Rose, what is the culture that

868
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: made you say culture is for me? Okay, I thought

869
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: really heard about this and I love good yeah, and

870
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: I and I like was overthinking it, and there were

871
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: so many things that I think it could have been.

872
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: And then I really thought about what, like what the

873
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: question is, and it's like, what is the culture that

874
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: made me say, like, oh, culture is for me? Because

875
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: that famously thank you for that, cadence, and they're going.

876
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: And so the culture that made me realize cultures for

877
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: me is fan fiction for dot net, fan fiction, dot

878
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: net live journal, you know, like angel fire, websites, um I.

879
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: And I think the reason that that is is because

880
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: fan fiction made me realize that you were allowed to

881
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: love something that much. You were allowed to love a

882
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: piece of culture so much that that love didn't stop

883
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: when it was over. It didn't stop when the when

884
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: the like author creator told you who those characters were,

885
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: that you were allowed to play in their sandbox and

886
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: and like remix what they had created and live in

887
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: that world. Um yeah, and and so many, so many pieces,

888
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: so many things. I think around the time that I

889
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: discovered that like we're connected to it, it was like

890
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: about internet culture and fandom and like being like a

891
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: weird goths you know girl. Um and uh yeah, like

892
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: I just loved and still to this day, like I

893
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: read fan fiction. If I really like like a movie

894
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: or a book or something, the first thing I do

895
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: when it ends, it's like, oh, I wonder if there's

896
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: fan fiction about this, Like I'm not ready for it

897
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: to be over. I just want to say, um, this

898
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: is I think this is one of our best answers.

899
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: I would agree. I mean what we're uh fan of

900
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: fictions that you dabbled in and did you create it yourself?

901
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: I did, and and that's a big part of it

902
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: is like I learned to write reading and writing fan fiction. Um,

903
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, like like obviously I loved I loved books,

904
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: and like that could have been my answers like books

905
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: or like libraries or whatever, but really it was like

906
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: and yes, I so I did write fan fiction. I

907
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: think probably like the earliest fan fiction I read was

908
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: like Buffy and Harry Potter, right, you know, Potter fan

909
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: fic was big. It was huge, and I was like

910
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: firing up the E machine in in my um you know,

911
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: like uh bedroom, and you know, just consuming fan fiction.

912
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: For hours while listening to Evanescence Um until my eyes

913
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: and started to bleed. Harry Potter was the gateway into

914
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: a lot of other fan fiction. I would say, maybe

915
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: this is just like well established, well the world is

916
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: know big, but the hair. But the trouble with Harry

917
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: Potter fan fiction to me was always, Oh, you're trying

918
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: to write like j K rolling, and you should. You

919
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: should make a choice that is deliberately not j K

920
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: in order to make it interesting. That's why like the

921
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: quote unquote poorly written fan fix between like you know,

922
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: mouthlin and and Harry fucking like that, we're like really

923
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: like lude and disgusting. We're like my favorites. Well, I

924
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: loved the more the more ridiculous ones, like the iconic

925
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: famous My Immortal fan fiction, like that wait, what is

926
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: that one? Okay, so there's this, there's there's been there's

927
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: this fan fiction called my Immortal that's about you know,

928
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: there's this fan fiction trope of the like Mary Sue

929
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: self insertion character, where's this character who's like not tied

930
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: to the actual thing that's happening, and it's like so

931
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: cool and perfect and like has super like crazy superpowers.

932
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: And my immortal is that, but like on fucking Crack,

933
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: it's this girl who is named Um. I think her

934
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: name's Ebony, but like the author misspells it as Enna

935
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: be Um and she's like a goth satanist who had

936
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: rolls at Hogwarts. Um. There's been so much like like

937
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: discourse around this about whether it was real or if

938
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: it was like someone, but it is. It is truly Um.

939
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: I've heard about my immortal. I have not. I should

940
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: just reade how long is it? Is it a long read?

941
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I should just read it. It's either

942
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: like ten thousand words or a hundred thousand. I could

943
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: not tell you because it didn't matter there you were

944
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: like up to the crab and onn eyes bleeding. Yeah,

945
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: it didn't matter that that And that's part of it too,

946
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: is like like I remember I used to this is

947
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: so huge milliating, But to read American Idol fan fiction

948
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: of like them at the House, you have no idea.

949
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: I read this fan fiction one time that was Ryan's

950
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: Secrets going to knocking on the door of the American

951
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: is L season four house like to look for Anthony Fedorov,

952
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: who came in like fifth or six. It was like

953
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: this like blonde twin who like was like a tenor

954
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: and I swear to god I read a full sex

955
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: fan fiction I did about Ryan Seacrest, like eating Anthony

956
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Federov's asked, and then I could have been reading it

957
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: for four hours or fifty eight Like that's I'm saying.

958
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: I was totally lost in the world of like this

959
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: insane pornographic fan fic. And that's what I was gonna

960
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: ask you. Was a lot of the ship that you

961
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: read porn um? I mean I think a fair amount

962
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: of it because like this was like pure time for me,

963
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: but also like I don't know, I was really into

964
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: people who really took the time to build out like

965
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: alternative universes and like put a lot of detail in it.

966
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: And still like to this day, I think, you know,

967
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: you see so many authors now who got their start

968
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: writing fan fiction. I mean it's become mainstream. Look it

969
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: fifty Shades of Gray, which I love. I am stan

970
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: because why hate on it? It literally is what it is,

971
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: what it is, like like you know what I mean,

972
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: Like it just is what it is, and the movie's

973
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: going to be better or worse. Movies are so fun.

974
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: They always get such bops on the soundtracks to Dat

975
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: You Do Love to Get. You and Dakota have a

976
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: similar energy. Is that fair to say, um, sure we

977
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: both have bangs? Well no, but you like you would

978
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: you would have said that to Ellen, like like you

979
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: would have said that to Ellen maybe, Like that's not

980
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: the trick. I can just hear you got, I can

981
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: hear you going no Ellen. I also, I mean, I

982
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: loved Dakota from Fifty Shades of Gray, but what really

983
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: tug me over the edge with her was Spiria. Oh

984
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: my god, I love Suspiria. It is. It became immediately

985
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. And I don't like the original.

986
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: I think I think the original is bad and I

987
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: all the fucking like film Twitter people are going to

988
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: start coming for me. But Suspiria. I could sit through

989
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: that three hour movie six times a day. What about it?

990
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Because I have to admit that I have not seen it,

991
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: and I'm afraid to. I for some reason have the

992
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: squeamishness that Matt you normally has around to Spiria like

993
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: that one is like for real, like, yeah, it goes there,

994
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: It's so good, you know, it's the Witches again. I

995
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: think what I really liked was I did see the

996
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: original first, and you know, the hallmark of the original

997
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: is that it's like this like really like technicolor um,

998
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, like super saturated movie and like it's all

999
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: about style over substance. And then the remake is like

1000
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: so muted um and like austere it's like, you know,

1001
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: so german um. And I thought Dakota was like incredible

1002
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: in it, till does amazing. I mean Tilda in that

1003
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: like Tilda a prosthetics playing that old man and playing

1004
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: this like amazing like high priestess, and the gore is

1005
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: so ridiculous. The music that the Tom York soundtrack is amazing.

1006
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: I just I fucking love that movie. Uh huh. Yeah.

1007
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: We Oh, we got on this topic because the Fifty

1008
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: Streets is gray I do before we really and I'm

1009
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: not ready to move on quite yet, but I do

1010
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: want to point out that roses onto something um that

1011
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: might be a little obvious, but like the like fan

1012
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: fiction culture at that time, let's say circa two thousand six,

1013
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: that at that time in the Internet, that was the

1014
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: like precursor to all the stuff that we have now,

1015
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: which is like stand culture, which is like like film, Twitter,

1016
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: even it was all like secret because it was because

1017
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't cool to like something that much was It

1018
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: was a lot there was a lot of irony. That's

1019
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: so true. We we I don't think we've been in

1020
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: like a state where it's cool to be ironic for

1021
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: some time. Now. I feel like it's it's it's and

1022
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm so glad because I'm not. I don't fit in

1023
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: with that, like I cannot hide. And that's what I mean.

1024
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: That's I think. The one thing that I really like

1025
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: about culture today is like, and maybe we've swung a

1026
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: little too far, is that it is cool to love

1027
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: what you love so aggressively online. Um, but which I

1028
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: couldn't have imagined when I was like a teenager, you know,

1029
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: secretly reading like Buffy, Lord of the Rings crossover fan fiction, um,

1030
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, by the glow of my computer screen in

1031
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, hoping that my mom wentn't

1032
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: walk in. Not because I was like doing because I

1033
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: was like, you know, like getting off to it or anything,

1034
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: but because it just felt like I should. There was

1035
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: an element of shame. There was an element of there

1036
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: was an element of shame. It was like you should

1037
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: have gotten over that after you read it or watched it,

1038
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't still be so obsessed with it, but

1039
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: I was, and especially you know when you factor queerness

1040
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: into it, because I mean, I do think it's very

1041
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: telling that when I started fan fiction, you know, I

1042
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: was very interested in like heterosexual romances and this was

1043
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: like you know, with like way pre transition, so who

1044
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: knows what kind of like gender fantasy I was living

1045
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: out um but now, but then like that evolved into

1046
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: like reading queerness into the media I was consuming and

1047
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: wanting to see that explored in fan works. Yeah, I

1048
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: feel like we should also remember that, like the box

1049
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: of what was quote unquote cool to like at that

1050
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: time was very small because there was almost no representation

1051
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: and there were very few platforms as compared to what

1052
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: we have today. So I feel like it's easier to

1053
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Speaker 1: find community and what you like just because there is

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01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: more of it out there, and like there is such

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: a like obviously like not to say queerness is embraced,

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01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: but like there are there is queer representation at all,

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: and so like that obviously opens up so so much

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: content to like and to embrace. It just didn't exist

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: at the time, like of course, I'm talking about how

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01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, I read fan fic for the most popular

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Speaker 1: fucking television show in America. Like that, we're talking about

1062
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: how the popular fan fic of the time was Harry Potter,

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01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: the most popular children's book in the world in the

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Speaker 1: history of the world. You know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: you were you were obsessed with Lost, right, what did

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01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: you read Lost fan fiction? I did? I did um

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01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: and many Lost fan fictions. They actually gave Kate a

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01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: personality which I loved, um um, Like when Juliette came

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: on that shot, I was like, oh my gosh, like

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Speaker 1: a female character with depth. I'm obsessed. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I did. I read a lot of fans. This is

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Speaker 1: This is kind of a different conversation. But what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: man about like, um, you know they're not being as

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: many platforms back then, is interesting to me because I

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: also think it was a now things were distributed and

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01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: circulated like that, right. It's like, let's just a weird example,

1077
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: but like let's say Queen's Game. It comes out and

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01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: then like five days later, everyone's doing like the meme

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01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: of the girl like eating all the pills and stuff.

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01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's like okay, like there's like the visual

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: language or the shared language of this is being developed

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: within days and like back and then like back then,

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01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: it would be like remember it was this just me,

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01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: Like remember like trying to get your friends to watch

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: a certain show, but then like it would be in

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: its second or third season, so you would have to

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: like blend them the DVDs of the first couple of

1088
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: seasons of the show, like I did that with Brayson

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: Animy with certain friends. I was like, you have to

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01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: watch Brayson Animy when it was like season three, like

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it before. I'm like, here, borrow my

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01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: dv Like it was like there was a there was

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01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: a but it's not even that. It was just like

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: there was there were just more obstacles in the path

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01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: of getting people to be on the same page as you. Um.

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01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 1: I have a lot of memories about as as a kid,

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: like desperately trying to get people to understand like why

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: they needed to watch something. I remember like being at

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01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: sleep Boy camp and telling my camp counselor that she

1100
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: had to see ever After starring Drew Barrymore and I

1101
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: was like and I was like repeat, I was like,

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01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: there's this part where Angelica Houston, who's her stepmother, tells

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: her like, how could I ever love a pebble in

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: my shoe? And it is such a sick burn And

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: my camp counselor was like, shut up and go play basketball. Um.

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01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you know, we had all these fan communities,

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: um where if your friends in real life weren't on that,

1108
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: weren't vibing with you, weren't on the same wavelength, there

1109
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: was proof online that there were thousands of other people

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: who are yes, yes, that makes a lot of sense,

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: makes total sense. And now it's like you don't really

1112
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: have to now. I never I don't find myself having

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: to convince people to like something that I know, because

1114
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: who cares if they like it too? That you know

1115
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: for a fact, there's a million people like it use have.

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: You know, they have all the cultural access points to it,

1117
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: and if they haven't found their way to it already,

1118
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, like there's only so much you can do.

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01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: It's so funny that that we land on this because Bowen,

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Speaker 1: when you said before, like, um, what sort of cues

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: you into watching what you're watching? Um, maybe that's part

1122
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: of it. Well for me, it's twitter like if I

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01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: go on, which which sucks, and I hate Twitter and

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01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: I think it's currently I have a deactivated I've been

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01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: like battling with myself all week. Yeah, but it is

1126
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: like when I log on and I see everyone talking

1127
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: about it's a sin or I or I care a lot,

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01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: or like any anything that people are talking about right

1129
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: now this week, I probably do get it from that site.

1130
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: And that's that's you know, it's a pro and icon

1131
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: because it's a pro because it gets me keyed into

1132
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: what people are talking about and I like to be

1133
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: part of the conversation, like Rose was saying, but also, um,

1134
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: it makes me rely on that site too much, like

1135
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: that I cannot rely on that site for like, um

1136
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: my cultural consumption and news and social interaction and a

1137
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: joke platform and this, this, this, It just becomes too

1138
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: all encompassing. But I realized that that is my answer,

1139
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: That is my personal answer to that question from before

1140
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,439
Speaker 1: that may totally makes sense to me, but also it's

1141
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: it's it's true because like you find the people that

1142
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: you trust, and if you're on the fence about something,

1143
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 1: then like usually something like Twitter, Like I remember when

1144
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: when Vanano came out, I was like I had heard

1145
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: about it, and then once I saw the specific people

1146
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: whose opinions I really trust, being like, yeah, this is it.

1147
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,959
Speaker 1: This is the moment, I was like, Okay, I gotta

1148
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: watch that. Um. And it happened with me with you

1149
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: when you said Dickinson's season two was the moment. I wash,

1150
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: my god, Dickinson is so good. And now that you

1151
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: said that, I've watched the first three episodes of the

1152
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: first season and I'm into it. It's really good Jane

1153
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: Krakowski vehicle. I'm always happy with um, but it's so good.

1154
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: It's so queer er um. And I was surprised. Yeah,

1155
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: I didn't love that. I mean, you'll get there. I

1156
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: didn't love some of the end of season two, but

1157
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: it really matured in season two. And I mean I

1158
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: love Emily Dickinson. I love like you know, like uh,

1159
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: death obsessed, like golf girls writing poetry in their bedrooms.

1160
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was me writing fan fiction. And like

1161
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: season two is also like such an exploration of fame

1162
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: and like, you know, the pitfalls of like wanting and

1163
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: achieving fame, and um, it's yeah, I love, I love

1164
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: And it's also in a way it's like fan fiction

1165
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: about this real person's life. Totally, totally, totally. I wanted

1166
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,440
Speaker 1: to ask you what your relationship is to Hailey steinfeld

1167
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: Um because she we believe she's the queen of pop.

1168
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't know she's the queen of pop. I really

1169
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: liked Bumblebee. I watched it on a plane once. Um,

1170
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: you're on the wrong side of rock bottom. I did

1171
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: eat some lobster next to her at the Dickinson premiere party. Um. Huge?

1172
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: Did she go in on the lobster? Was she dainty

1173
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: about it? Um? No, she wasn't eating lobster. I was

1174
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: eating lobsters to her, isn't. They had a really they

1175
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: had a really crazy premiere party at the at the

1176
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: Dumbo Soho House and I was just like, there was

1177
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: a whole seafood buffet and I was just like eating.

1178
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: I was like taking lobster to the face and next

1179
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: to Hailey steinfeld Um. But I think I think she's

1180
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: really I like that song, Um, I love that's her

1181
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: right she is hy which back to Dakota Johnson, is

1182
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: the last song in one of my favorite movies, How

1183
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: to Be Single, which I think, yeah, because Dakota as well.

1184
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: And if I can't watch this period. I gotta watch

1185
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: How to Be Single. It's like when the opposite end

1186
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: of the spectrum. It's really fun. It's one of the

1187
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: only movies that I own on iTunes. I bought it.

1188
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: How to Be Single and Practical Magic. Those the only

1189
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: two movies I own that really tricks out. Are You

1190
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: a Practical Magic? Type of girl? That was on I

1191
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: mean that could have also been my The culture that

1192
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: made culture was for me because which movie? Which movie? Like?

1193
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: And it was Nicole Sandra And also like not just

1194
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: the movie itself, but like the soundtrack. I think that's

1195
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,520
Speaker 1: probably what introduced me to Stevie Nicks. Um what introduced

1196
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: me to Joni Mitchell. That's scene where she's singing along

1197
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: to a case of You when she's driving. UM and

1198
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: I I love UM. The Alice Hoffman, who wrote the

1199
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: book that it's based on, has written UM to prequel

1200
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: books and they're both really great. UM loves Cractical Magic

1201
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: that whole like nineties which aesthetic and like that, like

1202
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: magical realism I think is really fun in supernatural movies.

1203
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: UM and you know like Girl Powers, Sisterhood. Yeah, I

1204
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: love it. It's so funny to think of Nicole Kim

1205
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: and in Sandra Bullock in a movie together at all,

1206
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: and then you remember it's that Yeah, but you think like,

1207
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: well it can't possibly work. It works. It works, You

1208
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: absolutely believe it. It's magic. That's and that's also movie magic,

1209
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 1: which is huge in Hollywood. Movie magic is huge in Hollywood.

1210
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: It's a real culture. It's still movie magic. Magic is huge.

1211
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: So but when are you are you thinking? When I'm

1212
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: thinking just saying I wanted to commend Rose on what

1213
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: I thought was an extremely well written piece about but

1214
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: but I wanted to, well, what what do you still

1215
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: have the same take on the art? Pop off it all?

1216
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: And now that we have no see this is why

1217
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: it's good to check in with Rose about the piece

1218
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: because this was written like right post Stars Born, are

1219
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: during Stars Born, when was like hadn't yet we hadn't

1220
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: yet known what she'd pivot to from Stars Worn. It

1221
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: was it was post Stars Born, It was when it

1222
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: was like fall of two thousand nineteen, so it was

1223
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: like Oscar, she'd won the Oscar. She was like getting

1224
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: ready to go into CHROMATICA. Right, So now I guess

1225
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: my question to you is, now that we have CHROMATICA

1226
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: out in the world, does your take on the Gaga

1227
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: through the lens of art pop out of it all changed,

1228
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,839
Speaker 1: Like do you feel that Chromatica was um a return

1229
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: to her sort of I don't give a pop, I

1230
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck pop dance like let me try

1231
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: things moment. Or do you think Chromatica is low impact? Um?

1232
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: I love Chromatica. UM. I think both of you probably

1233
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: know from Eddie like cursory search of the social media.

1234
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: I literally have the blanket behind me I have. I

1235
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: have given so many of my transsexual dollars to Lady

1236
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 1: Gaga in the past year. Um, and No, I love Caromatica.

1237
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: I do think though, that it doesn't change how I

1238
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: feel about art pop because I think, like, yes, Lady

1239
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: Gaga returned to this, to this like you know, high

1240
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: intensity like dance pop. But I do think art pop

1241
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: was the last time she was a pop star in

1242
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: the way that we first met her, in a fearless

1243
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: capacity and in that sort of way where it's like,

1244
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: I love what you said when when you were saying

1245
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: like every artistic impulse was followed, like it felt like

1246
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: there was not the word no in the realm of

1247
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: the creation of that it was it was more is

1248
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: more it was let's do everything because you know, after

1249
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 1: after the you know, success of Born This Way Um,

1250
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, she was at her most like pop maximalist um.

1251
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's why we saw that the direction

1252
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: she took afterwards when our pop you know, like quote

1253
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: unquote flopped like which it didn't commercially. You know, it

1254
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: was successful commercially, it just like wasn't as successful, you know, critically,

1255
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: even though I think it's an amazing album. It's not

1256
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: my favorite PUM album, but I think it's an amazing album.

1257
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: But you know, she really everything that happened after that

1258
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: album really re contextualized her, both like to us, to

1259
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 1: to the public tip hop culture, and I think to herself,

1260
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, as in she started to take herself more

1261
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: seriously as far as like not being this thisslike really

1262
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: a Trey pop artist. Now she was like now, it

1263
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: does feel like she's been taking herself more like a

1264
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: little I don't know, I was gonna say too seriously,

1265
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: but now that's not true. But when you have always

1266
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: said this about Gaga, which which I I and I

1267
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: don't know if I agree with it or I can

1268
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: recognize it as could be true, which is that she,

1269
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: in every new stage of her career is performing a

1270
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: new type of fame, like so with the Star Is

1271
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: Born of it all and the canned answers on the

1272
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 1: red carpet and the sort of crying when she wins,

1273
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: and the thinking of the leading man and director and

1274
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: the fact that it's a Star is Born and you

1275
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, the glam of it all, Um

1276
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: that you believe that this is part of a performance

1277
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: that she is doing because it's a performance of that

1278
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: type of movie stardom. Yes, where she's like and thank

1279
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: you to my costar and like, oh yeah, like that

1280
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: that was what a Star is Born was. I don't

1281
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: know what art pop was in terms of her like

1282
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: study of fame. Well, I guess I would. What I'm

1283
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: saying is like, thinking that she is performing these different

1284
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: types of fame is sort of in conflict with she

1285
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: takes herself too seriously because if she's if she's performing

1286
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: different types of fame, then she then she's in control

1287
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: of that performance. I guess my question to the panel is,

1288
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: do we think that's less true then maybe we have before? Maybe?

1289
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think so I think that that

1290
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: performance of fame was a lot more intentional in her

1291
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: early work. I mean literally the fame, the fame, money exactly, um.

1292
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: And then I think it has to happen that once

1293
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: you achieve a certain degree of fame, you can't make

1294
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: art about it in the same way because you're like

1295
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 1: actually inhabiting that reality, right right. I just think that

1296
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: art pop was her because at that point, that was

1297
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: when like you would have Elton John in interviews. I

1298
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: just simply remember this be like she's she has like

1299
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: Ellen John interview saying she has too many yes people,

1300
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 1: she has too many people saying yes. And she said

1301
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: people were lying to me, like people on her team

1302
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: she felt were lying to her, right, I mean that

1303
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: was just a chaotic time that I think was reflected

1304
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: in like even the rollout of the album and when

1305
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: she revealed the track list was do you remember this?

1306
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: The way she revealed the art pop track list was

1307
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: through little individual Instagram photos with little like like a

1308
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: little like a little mural paintings. It was like a

1309
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: five year old had painted like the words like aura

1310
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: and like a little picture of like I remember that

1311
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: blue a blue But like it was just like what

1312
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: the fun at the time of art pop being released

1313
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: was like maybe the craziest time of my life. That's

1314
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: when I was like like really firmly entrenched in like

1315
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: underground nightlife in New York and and so like that

1316
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: that part of it all, like seeing the kind of

1317
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: performance I was seeing on like a really micro level

1318
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,799
Speaker 1: be then performed at its most outrageous. I think even

1319
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: then I recognized, like, that's not something that's sustainable, And

1320
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: I write, you knew it when you knew it had

1321
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: to stop. Yeah, I think that's probably what there was,

1322
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: like some level of burnout, I think. And do you

1323
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: think that that? How do I how do I ask

1324
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,799
Speaker 1: this question? Do you think that the commercial quote unquote

1325
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: failure and critical quote unquote failure of art pop is

1326
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: what ended that? Or do you think that there was

1327
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: just not no further she could go at that time,

1328
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: like as an artist. Was the call coming from inside

1329
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: the house or was it external forces? Um? I think

1330
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of both. I mean, you know,

1331
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: her her body literally gave out on her. She had

1332
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: she had had such this crazy ascendency um and then

1333
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, like like maybe hit a wall or something

1334
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: in the public eye, and you know, she took such

1335
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: a hard pivot to to like doing I think something

1336
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: that was like more comfortable for her, which was you know,

1337
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: like to the cheek the cheek of it all and

1338
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: the star was born. Um yeah, I just think she

1339
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't and like I've really don't like this idea

1340
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: of like framing art pop as a failure, and that's like, really,

1341
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: why why not saying that you all are like And

1342
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: that's why I wrote that essay because that essay was

1343
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: in reaction to her saying I don't remember art pop

1344
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: And I was so upset by that because it felt

1345
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: like she was that was odd and I and I

1346
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: feel like it probably was just like all you know,

1347
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, starting the promo machine, going for chromatica like

1348
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: should fire off a tweet every couple of months, and

1349
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: like the girls riled up, But it really felt like

1350
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: because the abandoned, she abandoned, she abandoned the legacy of

1351
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: that album and like the the stands and little monsters

1352
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: who were like really rode hard for that right here. Yes, yeah,

1353
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: she bailed on the commitment of it, and the commitment

1354
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: of it was that was so important, felt it felt

1355
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: like it was everything at a hundred and so years

1356
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: later to tweet out, I don't remember this because it's

1357
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: not even like it's not even like she said I

1358
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: hate art pop, which I think everyone would have been

1359
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: able to know was like a troll move because she

1360
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: is a troll, like Boone always points out, like Lady

1361
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: Gaga is an online troll, like pregnant, Yeah, pregnant. So

1362
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: like with something from those chromatic oreos, why should we

1363
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: find out they are soil and green? They are. They're disgusting,

1364
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: they are. I have I have so many packages of

1365
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: them in my cabinet and every time I open I

1366
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: can smell them. I think about the oreo of it

1367
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: all with with but and I like again, like as

1368
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: we're talking about it now, I don't know if I'm

1369
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: behind this anymore, but this idea that like it's a

1370
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: performance of fame at every stage, I can get behind

1371
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: that when it comes to the oreo of it all,

1372
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: because she's like l o fucking lah, you know, that

1373
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: feels to me like it has to be knowing like

1374
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: if she is officially like when Stefani target pop star

1375
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: and that she's an oreo, then that's a tragedy. Um.

1376
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's true. I believe that she's knowing

1377
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: about the chromatical oreo. I agree, I or I need

1378
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: to believe that anyway, I don't know. I'm I'm just

1379
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: happy that her dogs were returned and that was safe.

1380
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: Although I was there an update on that to the

1381
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: dog walker said something I don't know. I haven't been no,

1382
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't checked in on the situation. I heard that

1383
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: the dogs were safely returned, and that to me was like, okay,

1384
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: so there's not more of a thread we're going to

1385
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: follow here. What about the person who was shot looking

1386
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 1: them or who returned them and how did they get them?

1387
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: I know that she said, I'm gonna give half a

1388
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: million dollars no questions asked, but like you got to

1389
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: ask some questions if someone was shot. Yeah. Also lady

1390
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: got got me like no question to ask, like the

1391
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: police are like, well not really, that's that's such like

1392
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: an Italian an Italian, like I was gonna say, like

1393
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: a monster thing to do. I think she is doing

1394
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: a gangster movie in she's doing movie all right, right, right,

1395
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: right right, because I heard that she was also going

1396
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: to do like a mob movie, which felt so Stephanie. Yeah,

1397
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we gotta we gotta have her place. Just

1398
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: an Italian girl from New York. Have you ever been

1399
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: that before? Yeah? We went together. We we we've been together.

1400
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to date their once separately. It's true. What

1401
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: do you want to say about it? Rose? It is

1402
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 1: not very good. I've the food is wrong. It is

1403
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: is toe up. The bartenders, they're like, God, bless them,

1404
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: just just lost Hell's Kitchen souls. We love them, we

1405
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: love we wish them well. We do have an update.

1406
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: I do wish that I UM owned the Joe and

1407
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: Trittoria UM Pride to twenty nineteen t shirt. I'm sad

1408
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: it when I have the we can someone out there

1409
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: has to have access and we can get it. We

1410
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: can get it sense or well, we're we can make

1411
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: them ourselves and sell them as law schoolture. That's true.

1412
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: We we are all about using pop stars the whole

1413
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: deal and making merch off of it for ourselves. Um.

1414
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: We have an update on Lady Gagas dog Walker. Lady

1415
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: Gagas dog Walker Ryan Fisher wrote that he has quote

1416
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: still in recovery from a very close call with death

1417
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: and that a lot of healing still needs to happen. Nonetheless,

1418
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: he added the gratitude for all the love I feel

1419
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: from around this planet is immense and intense, which feels

1420
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: like it came from Lady Gaga's dog Walker for sure.

1421
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like it came from anyone.

1422
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: Using the word planet, you have to think maybe this

1423
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: that was written by a kindness punk for sure. Bros.

1424
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: You are you are the kindness punk, aren't you am? I? Yeah,

1425
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: I am. I'm trying to be I'm a I'm trying

1426
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: to be I'm trying to be nicer. I think god like, Um,

1427
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: so much of my personality used to be based around

1428
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: like being mean and like being a loose and that's

1429
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: not fun. I want to I want to be nice. No,

1430
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: it's really not see that. I think. I think the

1431
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: being being mean is cool of it all ended with

1432
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: irony culture or like detachment lature. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

1433
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: for sure because Lady got I'm sure yeah interesting? Oh no,

1434
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean the one time I met her, she was

1435
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: very nice. When did you meet her? Um? I met her?

1436
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: This was like when I used to live on the

1437
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: Lower East Side. I met her the day after the

1438
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Alejandro video came out, and I met her at a

1439
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: bar on Rivington Street where she was like that that

1440
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: like guy who she used to date who owned all

1441
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: those lowery sidebars. And I was with some friends and

1442
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: we were like going to a party and we walked

1443
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: by and there was a woman standing out, a blonde

1444
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: woman standing outside and just her underw and I was like,

1445
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: that is Lady Gaga. And I was a huge little monster,

1446
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 1: and like all my friends were straight and none of

1447
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: them cared. Um, and we and so we left and

1448
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: we eventually went back there and she was still there,

1449
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you could kind of see people like

1450
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: hovering around wanting to like like say hi to her.

1451
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: But this was like the height of you know, like

1452
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: hipster uh, you know, like downtown culture. It wouldn't have

1453
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: been cool. So but I didn't care. And you know,

1454
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: like I got to like said high to her. Um,

1455
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: and she was just like very nice. She was just

1456
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: sitting at the end of the bar, like throwing back

1457
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: beers all night, waiting for the bar to close so

1458
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: she could get laid. Oh my god, wow, I love

1459
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: that so much. And I also just want to quickly

1460
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: say that hipster culture was so embarrassing deeply. Everything about

1461
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of it was embarrassing, the attitude things the

1462
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: bean and I and I really participated in it. Oh

1463
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: me too. My friend Cayles strback in high school got

1464
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: me The Hipster Handbook and like it was my favorite

1465
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: fucking book of all time, and I was like, I

1466
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: gotta listen to Pavement, I gotta listen to like fucking

1467
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: like radio every radio Head album. Like it truly like

1468
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: made me. It like stunted my development. And I think

1469
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: that's why I swung so hard away from it, like

1470
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: after that into like real dirt bag club kid like

1471
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 1: super glam, like uh like no irony culture is because

1472
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 1: I was like that fucking sucks and like only straight

1473
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: people are into that, and I'm fun and I'm like

1474
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: fucking queer and I'm not gonna be like ironic about anything.

1475
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really fucking literal and maximalist about everything. Yes,

1476
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: because I think you're onto something where it's like hipster

1477
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 1: culture was a way to like fence queer people into

1478
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: something that was still had a renormative but we were like,

1479
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: oh but this is like this feels different enough. It

1480
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: was still like, oh, but this is being dictated by

1481
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: straight people, and straight people only totally and like we

1482
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: were still there was still another like barrier to break

1483
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: out of in order for queer people to be like, oh,

1484
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,480
Speaker 1: this is what we actually want. It was like alternative,

1485
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: but it was still like homogeneous. Yes, yes, well, the

1486
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: funniest ship was like like it was sort of the

1487
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: death rattle of hipster culture was probably like two thousand tennish, right, like,

1488
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: and so the funniest ship was watching people that went

1489
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: to n y you pretend they were hipsters, like dressed

1490
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: up in their hipster chic and then hang around Washington

1491
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: Square Park. It's like, girl, if you go to n YU,

1492
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: you're like, you can't, Like, this is not a thing,

1493
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Like it's come on, embarrassing, embarrassing. I missed New York

1494
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: so much. Oh it's it'll be, it'll it's waiting for

1495
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 1: it's been waiting for you. Taylor Swift. How do you

1496
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 1: talk about Taylor? I know, well, but just give some thoughts.

1497
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: Go ahead, talk um. I you know, you know, I'm

1498
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: a swifty. I love and I really appreciated it. And

1499
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't I don't think hipster could

1500
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: be a swift, like you know what I mean, Like

1501
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: that would have been the antithesis of what it meant

1502
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: to be that but you know you probably were definitely

1503
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: bumping red at that time. Absolutely, and and like, I

1504
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: mean she was such a part of like, uh, the

1505
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: counter culture I was experiencing at that time, and like

1506
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,799
Speaker 1: and queer people even then were like accessing her. Um

1507
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: and and now, um, yeah, this whole era has been

1508
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: so fucking good. I mean folklore, Like, I'm still bumping

1509
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: it almost every day. Yeah, I only just started spinning

1510
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: everywhere all the way through because I wasn't done with folklore.

1511
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm almost there, but I'm still putting folklore on before

1512
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 1: I go to bed, just to like wind down, because

1513
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm like this, the vibe here is so perfect. I've

1514
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: listened to mirror Ball approximately. It's the best song of

1515
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,839
Speaker 1: that that whole era. It's it's one of my favorite

1516
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: songs She's ever made. Agree And I truly did shrooms

1517
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: on Fire Island in July, like and what me and

1518
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: Julio were in this this house, locked up together because

1519
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: we were like to too scared to do anything except

1520
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: to go to Fire Island l O L. But I

1521
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: would play mirror Ball and just walk around. I walked

1522
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: up the entire done the entire length of the island,

1523
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: just listening to Mirror Ball on repeat, and I was

1524
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: like truly in heaven, like watching the sunset. I was like,

1525
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: this is perfect. I want to go to fire. I was.

1526
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a share for this summer, but

1527
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: I think it's like too late already. I don't think it.

1528
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I have news for my for my friends. I have cooling.

1529
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: I got a quarter show and we had like one

1530
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: week every single month from May to October. You guys, anyone,

1531
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: anyone is welcome to come well huge here and I

1532
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: will tack you up. I did want to say like

1533
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm finally at the point now where I think and

1534
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: this is only because like when she announced that Evermore

1535
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: was coming out, there was a little part of me

1536
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: and Bowen you we talked about this. It was just

1537
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: like exhaustion and it was just like a little bit

1538
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: like overwhelmed Taylor. It felt so Taylor for her to

1539
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: do that, and I was so I feel it was

1540
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 1: so filling Taylor. At that point, I felt on my

1541
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: feet on the tailor, you know what I mean. I

1542
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: was just like I was just like ready to feel

1543
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: my odes on my tailor. The spirit because Taylor is

1544
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the soul and Taylor is the eyelashes. Yes, and so

1545
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: so when she sort of batted the Taylor yeah, um

1546
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: is really the way I can describe it, the silver

1547
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: on the eyelashes. And so basically, when she batted the eyelashes,

1548
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: that's that's what the Disney movie Soul is about. It's

1549
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: about us, It's about it. I wish it would have

1550
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: been about that. And they followed that's exactly it and

1551
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: only and then they create the the best pop star

1552
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: of all time. Max Um Absolutely not. You know who is?

1553
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: You know who is? My sweet sister bow Well. I

1554
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: love I love um Yeah, I love the one gone

1555
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: that's bols around the world. He doesn't love the one

1556
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: song my head don't Head in my Heart and my

1557
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Head in My Heart is an absolute masterpiece. That would

1558
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: listen to that single readers, It's it's phenomenal anyway. Anyway,

1559
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: what what I was gonna say was, I'm finally at

1560
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: the point now where I've gotten over myself because it

1561
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: was entirely coming from me. The calls coming from inside

1562
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: the house that had nothing to do with Taylor or

1563
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Evermore and folklore are equals. It is. I cannot pick

1564
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: a favorite because Evermore so I put together like a Folkmore,

1565
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 1: which is my favorites from both. Now I've moved on

1566
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: and I'm listening to Evermore just straight away through Girl

1567
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: Ivy gets slept On. It is one of the best

1568
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: songs lyrically she has ever written. Absolutely, and then also

1569
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: You're Not The arrangement is beautiful too, Yeah, and I

1570
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: a cowboy like Me is so good. Like I'm only

1571
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: saying these ones now because this is like at the

1572
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: point in the album, like, let me just scroll over

1573
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: the track tolerated, Oh my god, Tolerated. From the beginning,

1574
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I've been like, I mean, any track five, I'm like,

1575
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: any track five on Taylor, I'm like, even if I

1576
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: don't like it the first time, I know that's my problem,

1577
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I will like And

1578
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 1: she made it a track five for a reason. Yeah, exactly.

1579
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: And so for me, like Ivy and Coda like Me

1580
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: are tracks ten and eleven on a fifteen track album.

1581
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: And I was kind of like after Folklore and this,

1582
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: that's when I was running out of steam, and so

1583
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I just didn't they didn't hit with me. I was

1584
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: just tired. I guess now I am obsessed with these songs,

1585
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: and I only really just got around to the fact

1586
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: that Closure is about Kim Kardashian and I it's it's

1587
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: such a good song that like ends that chapter. Matt,

1588
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm sorry to did this in front of Rose,

1589
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: but I think next next episode should be should should

1590
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: that be the evermore track by track? We can here's

1591
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: the thing. We can definitely go. We can definitely go.

1592
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: We can definitely track track because I want to listen

1593
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: to it. I have I want to hear it. I mean,

1594
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 1: I'm actually I have to say, like before, like I

1595
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: just want I'm so happy to be here, and I

1596
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be I don't want to

1597
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: be too like whatever, but oh my god, I'm like

1598
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: actually getting a little emotional, you know, like I live

1599
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: I live in l A. I live by myself. I

1600
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 1: moved here in July mid pandemic, and like I'm very isolated.

1601
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 1: I live alone, and um, this podcast, Like I listened

1602
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: to it all the time because it makes me feel

1603
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not alone. And I'm almost like I'm almost

1604
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: like a little disappointed to be on it this week

1605
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: because I won't get to be surprised by a new

1606
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: episode and like you too much. You know, it's like

1607
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: what y'all do here is really special, and like every

1608
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: week that when I listened to you, like feels like

1609
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm like hanging out with friends, like being welcomed into

1610
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: something like really intimate and fun, and I'm just like

1611
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: feel like very happy to get to be a part

1612
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: of it. Thank you for saying that, because and then

1613
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: cuts me crying hysterically, thank you cancer. I had to

1614
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: bring the piss. Okay, So this is what it is,

1615
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: because Pisces scorpio cancer. That's very much it um the

1616
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Literally whenever anyone that's as dynamic as you, like any

1617
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 1: queer person says something like that, that just is so

1618
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: validating for us. And and so I mean that's literally

1619
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: what keeps us doing it. I've listened to the Top

1620
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: two Moments of Culture several times all the way through. Yeah,

1621
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: well you know we're approaching to fifty, so we got

1622
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 1: we got to do something about I want to listen

1623
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: to like two episodes on the Drive to from and

1624
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: Waiting in Line at Raising Kaynes. What's what's raising Keynes?

1625
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: Is this like a chicken tender restaurant in l a

1626
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: it's like very much like l A drive through culture. Um,

1627
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 1: you gotta come out to you gotta come out to

1628
01:34:55,880 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: l A again. Both, So let's do it anyway. Wow,

1629
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: thank you for saying that. And yeah, and so now, yes,

1630
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 1: we will do every more next week, okay everyone, And

1631
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: then and I want us to let me talk about

1632
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: I care a lot for just two minutes. Yes, yes, yes,

1633
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: at that point I will have something to say about

1634
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: it as well. And I have to watch it to sin.

1635
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Have you watched it? To Sin? I have not. I

1636
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: haven't watched it. Um everyone's talking about like, everyone is

1637
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: talking about it, um, so you know, maybe I'll get

1638
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: around to it. I'm not feeling like super pressed to

1639
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: right now. I know, like the conversation about it is

1640
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: that it's really heavy, and I'm just not in the

1641
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: place for that right now. I'm like prioritizing my mental

1642
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: health and not like watching things that are super sad.

1643
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm whim watching Top Model for like six hours a night.

1644
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: That's it, And I love that. I only asked because

1645
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: I heard that Neil Patrick Harris plays a bottom, which

1646
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 1: felt like a revolution to me. He's in it interesting,

1647
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's read to see him spreading his wings

1648
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 1: and his whole Let's just move right along from that

1649
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: sense too. I guess I don't think so, honey. Huh. Yes,

1650
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: wow even and and I feel like in ending this episode,

1651
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: we are not ending Rose's time on Last Coach because

1652
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: you must return. I feel like third co host energy.

1653
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: It's wild. We've had such good guest lately. We've had

1654
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: great guests. You really have. The last couple of episodes

1655
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: of the podcast have been so fun. Thank you. And

1656
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm not including this because I think I'm going to

1657
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: be a total flop. I have no this episode. I'm

1658
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: already saying as soon as we get off this call,

1659
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: this call. But I'm but I'm telling that, I'm like,

1660
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 1: this is this is a fantastic one. This is really excited.

1661
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. But we'll see how your legions of

1662
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: fans respond to it. And I was very happy to Uh.

1663
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: I loved what y'all said about me last week, thing

1664
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: that I am Taste. I will now be using that

1665
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: as my new official bio, I am Taste. Um. Okay,

1666
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: so this is I don't think so, honey, bon yang, uh,

1667
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: this is correct me If I'm wrong. The sixty minute

1668
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: sixteen minute. Can you believe? Get a picture of that.

1669
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Get the screenshot of that sixty minute You're right here,

1670
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: forever here for three hours at least. Anyway, Um, since

1671
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: sixty second segment where we rail against something in pop

1672
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 1: culture that we sorry but hate um and need to

1673
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 1: address in a feverishly critical manner. Yes, yes, I have one?

1674
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Do you have one? I do? Okay, we'll start with you,

1675
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna sort of not do the one I

1676
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: said I was gonna do before, because I think I

1677
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 1: made that point salient, like, Okay, okay, this is Matt Rodgers.

1678
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so many as time starts now, I

1679
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, this awards season at all? What

1680
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 1: is a single movie that is up for anything? What

1681
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: is Pieces of a Woman? Someone tell me what? Girl?

1682
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: What is tonight? I have to watch? Um? A movie

1683
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: I barely had even heard of in the conversation, uh

1684
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: the United States versus Billy Holiday, It's a It's it's

1685
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: a winner as of last night, thrilled that it is huge.

1686
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: Andrew day Fan didn't know I'd have to. I didn't

1687
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: know was out so many of these ways. I didn't

1688
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: know they were out the Award season this year is

1689
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: like they senior years long and the Oscars are in

1690
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: April deep April. I'm like, how is that? What's gonna

1691
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: happen next year? I don't know what is the father?

1692
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 1: What is like? And also everything's on television. What's a show?

1693
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: What's a movie? It's really fascinating when you think about it.

1694
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 1: And also I love the joke last night where it's like, no,

1695
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch a movie that's two hours long.

1696
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: I'd rather watch a TV show that's five hours long.

1697
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: I thought everything is sort of sucking with each other

1698
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: the forms. Now we're supposed to have the Oscars, girl

1699
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: called the super Emmy's because what I don't think. I

1700
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: just don't know what. And then things they said we're

1701
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: popping off like a month ago, aren't. It's hard to

1702
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 1: track it. Yeah, it feels like the one constant has

1703
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: been no mad Land right right, And I don't know

1704
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: about that. I'm not watching another Frances McDorman movie. After

1705
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 1: three billboards, there is happening. Feels like your dance cards

1706
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: should be full. After dog Wow, you know that that

1707
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 1: phrase has really started to roar back. Oh yeah, it's

1708
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: for me. It's very much like that's gonna be a

1709
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 1: note for meat dog. And also no mean I've been saying, yeah,

1710
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: saying not a lot. I mean that's a note for

1711
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: me dog. How a resurgence I want to say in

1712
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: like two thousand and fourteen as well, like it keeps

1713
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,879
Speaker 1: sort of like the rhythm of it is really interesting,

1714
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: and I have noticed that it's it's making a return.

1715
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: American stays footpressed on the girl's nets the way that

1716
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 1: they try. I'm not over it. I'm not over First

1717
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,879
Speaker 1: of all, I'm not over any of Katie Perry's fashions.

1718
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 1: And I say this as a Katie Cat who's appeared

1719
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: as a co star in her music video Katie K

1720
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,839
Speaker 1: you better imagine not being a Katie Cat. How humili

1721
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: pop songs of the best When when the chorus hit

1722
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard it, I screamed, I screamed,

1723
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: and I in the words I screamed or Katie's back

1724
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: and the music I was music video her with the

1725
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,679
Speaker 1: like cry curly wig and like her fucking tits out

1726
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: in that amazing flowing gown standing in the middle of

1727
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: that field, like the servation, the servation. I also had

1728
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 1: to laugh when she got in trouble for all the

1729
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: appropriation she has done. She goes, what's more white woman

1730
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: than intense therapy? And the whole song was about therapy.

1731
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so funny. I just couldn't

1732
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: believe her pivot. It was a pivot. Indeed, we're happy

1733
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: for Katie, I feel and I'm just gonna say this

1734
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:02,839
Speaker 1: out loud. Katie should come on. Oh okay, absolutely should

1735
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Katie should come on. She should. Okay, she loves you.

1736
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: You're she did comment l and you are part of

1737
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 1: the Katy Perry Cinematic Universe. Think I'm part of the KPCU,

1738
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: and so she should be part of the lc you are.

1739
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: You are only some ways the scarlet Witch of the

1740
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: KPCU in many ways because I'm really a part of

1741
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:28,839
Speaker 1: Phase four, you know what I mean? This is certainly

1742
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Phase four of Katy Perry and I being the star

1743
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:35,839
Speaker 1: of it. Katy Perry, I'm the multiverse of madness. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1744
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And I did get the job through chaos magic.

1745
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: I can't talk about how I got it, but it

1746
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: was chaos magic. It can only be described magic. For

1747
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Metro would be my vision is really is your vision?

1748
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: How get it all along, the staying power that this

1749
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: will hand of the summer, Oh my god, I can't

1750
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 1: wait for everyone ever used to be blasting it from

1751
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: their sucking speakers this summer. And also think about think about,

1752
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: oh this is so nerve, this is so the things

1753
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: I get nerdy about. No, no, no, Well I loved

1754
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: I love that it was them, And my favorite one

1755
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: is the nineties one, which is like, um, what is it? Uh?

1756
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: You make it it up as we go along. I

1757
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: just thought that was such a good parody of a

1758
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,560
Speaker 1: song from that time. And I also love that the

1759
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: d do do do motif that the like thematic motif

1760
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: appears in all of the songs. So that's the kind

1761
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 1: of ship that I like like to nerd out about.

1762
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: I watched this really cool. I watched this YouTube video

1763
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: and it was just talking about that. I can't wait

1764
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: for the Agatha All Along Thunder plus remix. That's exactly

1765
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 1: what there's There's so much opportunity there and for to

1766
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 1: know that Katherine Han is going to have a number

1767
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: one dance chart. Absolutely, I'm in the studio working on

1768
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: it now. I'm going back to my DJ days and

1769
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to remix that trick. Yes, yes, you are

1770
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the person to do it. You're the person to do

1771
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm actually not I don't have the time or the inclination.

1772
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: I also just want to point out I pointed this

1773
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: out on Instagram, but I am obsessed with the fact

1774
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: that Jane Kasmirik and the cast of Malcolm in the

1775
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Middle are part of the m c U that that

1776
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 1: like Jane has Merik could have disappeared in the Snap

1777
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,600
Speaker 1: after Thanos like like like like you know, it's like

1778
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: it's an actress in the world exactly. That's what I'm like,

1779
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We can I ask a question

1780
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: of the two of you, who do you think would

1781
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: have disappeared in the Snap. I would have Yeah, he

1782
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 1: would have. And then it would have been like the

1783
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,600
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, so bone would have disappeared in the

1784
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 1: Snap and then it just would have been the grief

1785
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: of the public would have been so overwhelming just and no,

1786
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:00,520
Speaker 1: it's true, there would have been because of the population,

1787
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: like Leaves, there would have been a huge public funeral

1788
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: for this hole in the world exactly, and I would

1789
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: have There would be some people on Twitter that said

1790
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: that they wish it would have been me. Oh my god, wait, okay,

1791
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: I have I have to ask the same question about

1792
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: Rose and our friend fran Toronto. Between the two of you,

1793
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 1: who would have disappeared? What either of you have? We

1794
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 1: both would have, or or neither of us would have

1795
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 1: that's beautiful or no. It's more likely that I would

1796
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:35,839
Speaker 1: have and he would have worked really hard to fix everything,

1797
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: and then I would have gotten back and been like whatever, yeah, good, Okay.

1798
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: That's the thing too, is like I I would I

1799
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: would be tireless in the crusade to sort of get

1800
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: Balang back on the planet, and then he would get

1801
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: back and he'd be like, oh god, I'm so tired,

1802
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 1: Like since I've been back, like I'm so stressed out.

1803
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 1: My schedule is so full. Everyone wants to do interviews

1804
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, too tired to you can be tired culture,

1805
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, are you fun and kidding me?

1806
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I've been grieving for years, girl, I didn't tell you

1807
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 1: to bring me back. I was fine. I was fine

1808
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: off in the soul stone whatever, like floating around being

1809
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: actual dust. Also, if I had to go, I would

1810
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: love to go in the snap because it looks like

1811
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt at all. They're just kind of like

1812
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Olson dying in the snap is like it

1813
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 1: looks like a fucking orgasm. She was like looking at

1814
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: the sky like me. But when you come back, honey,

1815
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: you talk about a reveal, talk about a shock. Like

1816
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: when Monica Rambo came back in the blip or whatever

1817
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: they're calling the reverse Snap. I guess they call it

1818
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 1: the blip and she was just like what and then

1819
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 1: she has to realize her mom was dead? Girl? Snap

1820
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 1: me again. I'd rather go back to the snap. Come on.

1821
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: That was sad. Yeah too sad? I think all right,

1822
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: so after I go usually bone ghost. So Bowen, do

1823
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: you have a I don't think so, honey. Yes, I

1824
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 1: remember you said you did have one. Okay, so Bowe

1825
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 1: and Yang this is your I don't think so, honey,

1826
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: and your time will begin now. I don't think so, honey.

1827
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: We're a year into this pandemic and people still are

1828
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,719
Speaker 1: fucking around on zoom being like, what are my audio settings?

1829
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: How do I change my output? Uh? No, you're a

1830
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: fucking bitch to know you've done it many multiple times.

1831
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: You're not, you stupid bitch, and this is not even

1832
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: just you I've encountered a lot of people recently who are,

1833
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: like to our very zoom illiterate. And this is this.

1834
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: This does not include the people who like, don't have

1835
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: access to technology or don't have any proficiency with that.

1836
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who have been using the same

1837
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: software for a year now and still not knowing how

1838
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: it works. You have to start like you catch up

1839
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: to the basics. All I'm saying is catch up to

1840
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: the baseline so that you don't have to waste any

1841
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: time so we can start this podcast on time or

1842
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 1: I'm meeting on time. I'm sick of it. I need

1843
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: to want to learn how to adjust their inputs and

1844
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: outputs in their audio. And that's one minute. What a

1845
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: superior ugly? I don't think so, honey. That was all

1846
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, and it was so funny how we

1847
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: said in the beginning of the podcast that bone was hot.

1848
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,679
Speaker 1: You look so ugly doing that, I don't think, sonny.

1849
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 1: You look toe up ugly. You look like going to

1850
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: a taste bitch. And I was discussing and I spit

1851
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: it out into the trash. That's what I say to you.

1852
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: I feel feel very uncomfortable because I also had zoom

1853
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: issues when I came in so this, but Rose had

1854
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 1: resolved her as immediately. Please, no that's not true. That's

1855
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: true for nothing, but but but to just take a

1856
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain here, we actually had to have

1857
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 1: a microphone taken to Rose's house. Didn't even have them.

1858
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 1: Your producer is amazing. She came with a very cute

1859
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: dog to my vernment. I got to I got to

1860
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 1: have the dog a little bit. It was she was

1861
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,759
Speaker 1: running overall today looking cute. I did feel very important

1862
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: having a hand delivered to me, absolutely, And I just

1863
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:01,719
Speaker 1: think it's so superior and very d n C energy

1864
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,600
Speaker 1: of Bowen Yang. He is a centrist to sort of

1865
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:11,759
Speaker 1: say these things about um, you know, technical proficiency. It's like, okay, yeah, everyone,

1866
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 1: everyone just figure it out. We've had a year to

1867
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 1: learn this. And Bowen actually wants to say he is

1868
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: endorsing Andrew Yang for mayor. So, um, that's exciting. He's excited.

1869
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: He's so excited to endorse Andrew Yang, who currently I

1870
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: think it is he's stuck on the street on the

1871
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: egg trying to get to the Bronx. But otherwise he

1872
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 1: was going to come on at the end of the podcast,

1873
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: but he couldn't make it to uh couldn't make it

1874
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: to the internet because he's stuck on the train trying

1875
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: to get to the Bronx New York. So best of

1876
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 1: UCTO him. He does have Bowen's endorsement, and I think

1877
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: it's time for Zoom. You're the andrew ing Zoom. You

1878
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know your fucking way around. You're don't ever, don't

1879
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 1: ever do that to me again. You say that you're

1880
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 1: an angel to me all the time, you were your

1881
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: feels above incubus to me. Just what you said, that's

1882
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 1: that's really sad that you would have to use the

1883
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: word bls about as a negative when we have a

1884
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:10,759
Speaker 1: witch here. Okay, so you're just asked backwards and look ugly.

1885
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: So anyway we have this actually is let's get to

1886
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 1: the important ship here. I also want to say before

1887
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: we do this, I really appreciate that y'all pronounced my

1888
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 1: last name correctly from the jump. Oh with with the people.

1889
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: People really usually don't get that. It's like damo UM,

1890
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 1: and I always sort of explain no, it's like you're

1891
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: saying I'm going to dom you. That's what makes it

1892
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 1: so powerful. Thank you for that love it. Um, that's you.

1893
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 1: You really are you really are, allies. I want to

1894
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 1: say that I came in here not being sure. I

1895
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: really thought, yeah, this might be rough, this, this could

1896
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: be a tough, this could be a tough interview. And

1897
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: then I feel like you said, um, you welcomed me

1898
01:49:56,120 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: in here, and uh said, this is where you're meant

1899
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and it is. And we earned our

1900
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 1: ally ships stripes. You did well. You're both trans now,

1901
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: thank you. Yes you will. And no I don't mean honorarily.

1902
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean there are your producers coming to your individual

1903
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: homes with vials of estrogen for you to inject. Yes, yes,

1904
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm happy about it and it's and no, this is

1905
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 1: this is and it didn't take you to confer that

1906
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,799
Speaker 1: onto us, like this is who we are. Okay, alright,

1907
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 1: So look, this is after Rose has truly dubbed us.

1908
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 1: She's gonna dumb the reader with I don't think so, honey,

1909
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: and it's time to start that Rose, damn use, I

1910
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:45,879
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Right now, I don't think so, honey. Wine.

1911
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Are you going to tell me that you're going to

1912
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 1: take one of nature's most bountiful fruits the beautiful, brave

1913
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: and swash it and stomp on it and let it

1914
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: ferment until it turns into this Vina gree acidic alcoholic beverage.

1915
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You couldn't let it become a

1916
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 1: beautiful raisin or turn it into some nice grape juice,

1917
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,799
Speaker 1: or just eat it as it fucking came from nature.

1918
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: You have to let it turn into alcohol so you

1919
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: can get seconds, you can get wasted. And people are

1920
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 1: always telling me, oh, you're not drinking the right type

1921
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 1: of wine. You should drink white, you should drink red,

1922
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 1: you should have them relow. You know what. White gives

1923
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: me a headache, Red gives me heart and burn. They

1924
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: both give me a horrible feeling and I don't want

1925
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 1: to drink them ever again. And people who based the

1926
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: whole personalities around loving wine, like wine culture, I don't.

1927
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, wine culture. Get a hobby

1928
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 1: like build them up greens that um watch one division.

1929
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, do something else. I don't think so,

1930
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 1: honey wine. And that's one minute and can just for you.

1931
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I have done one on specifically prosecco, for the exact

1932
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 1: same thing you said, Like, yeah, if you're gonna order

1933
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:56,679
Speaker 1: a prosecco, you might as well just order a fucking

1934
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:04,440
Speaker 1: terrible headache. I I don't. I famously don't like alcohol generally,

1935
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: but at least like liquor, I can, you know, you

1936
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 1: can like mix it with something whatever. But but yeah,

1937
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 1: but like wine is disgusting. I think this also kind

1938
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: of stems from I one drank like eight classes of

1939
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 1: man of chevits at at a stayer at my grandparents

1940
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 1: house and threw up all over their bathroom. Um, but

1941
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 1: wine is disgusting and just like like wine culture, the culture, Yes,

1942
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: that's what, Yes, the culture. Wine culture is not culture.

1943
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 1: If anyone ever asked me out on a date and

1944
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 1: they I mean in the before times, and they're like,

1945
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,640
Speaker 1: do you want to go to a wine bar? Do

1946
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 1: you want to go get a glass of wine? I

1947
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 1: have a really lovely sharas at home. Do you want

1948
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:47,200
Speaker 1: to come over and drink it? Uh? I don't know

1949
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 1: the phrase lovely sharas. I would be like, you need

1950
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 1: to go to jailin wine in my transgender home. I

1951
01:52:56,200 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: don't think so, no way, no way that it's just

1952
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's it's it's exactly what

1953
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 1: you said, it's an excuse for people to sort of

1954
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 1: galivant about and and and pretend they're interesting and pretend

1955
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 1: they know something about something when really all they're doing

1956
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:19,640
Speaker 1: is getting drunk. Sure, sure, now I think you're so.

1957
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 1: Grape is one of the nature's best fruits. Grape is

1958
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic fruit. And that weird. She's

1959
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: that girl. She's that girl. There's weird. She is the moment.

1960
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,599
Speaker 1: She's got a point. Now. I think there's this crazy

1961
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 1: anti raisin sentiment bubbling up right now? Are you noticing this?

1962
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 1: People are really hating on raisins in recent years. I

1963
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 1: haven't noticed. I haven't noticed a surge towards anti raisin. Stupid. No,

1964
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:51,799
Speaker 1: there's anti raisin culture happening, and it's dangerous and it

1965
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 1: is stupid because raisins are some of the best food.

1966
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: That it's a it is a UM. It's invading our

1967
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 1: schools UM. And children need to be educated that raisins

1968
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 1: are a delicious, healthy snack. UM. And grapes seated or

1969
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 1: otherwise are delicious. Two words for every reader listening right now,

1970
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 1: raisin brand. Name another legend. You can name another legend,

1971
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 1: and don't come to me. And don't come to me

1972
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 1: with your honey nut cheerio bullshit. Maybe you want fiber,

1973
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 1: She's serving you fiber for days, fiber down, Raisin brands,

1974
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 1: create power bottoms, and raisin brand, Yes, that's true. And

1975
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: also she's giving you a texture medley in your mouth,

1976
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 1: the mouth feel on raisin brand. She's saying, I'm not

1977
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 1: just one thing topped only by like, um, what's that

1978
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: honey nut bunches of oats? Girl, I don't, I don't

1979
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 1: even know about that. I love, I love, I love

1980
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 1: a textured cereal if I'm going to have a cereal

1981
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 1: and raisin very much. Really, she has the blue for

1982
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 1: all these other hosts. She is the blueprint. It's actually

1983
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: a real culture number seventy. She is the blue for

1984
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 1: all these other hopes, for all these other hosts. And

1985
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:13,800
Speaker 1: I also would like to commend you for being brave

1986
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 1: enough to talk about the violence that goes into wine preparation,

1987
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of something plucking, juicing, you know, processing,

1988
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 1: It's really it's it's not. When I saw Lucille Ball

1989
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: stomping on those poor innocent greats, I mean violent, and

1990
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 1: that was the first trauma I experienced, truly yes, I'm

1991
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: honest to god, I didn't know wine was made like

1992
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 1: that until that episode of Violet Lucy came on the

1993
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 1: TV at Niked Knight, Oh niked Knight, Nick Knight. I

1994
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: mean we could go on for two more hours. When

1995
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: Rose has her super villain movie, the cold open is

1996
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 1: going to be her watching Lucille ball stomps. But my

1997
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 1: super villain is gonna I will be an actual villain.

1998
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 1: This will not be like this, will not be like this,

1999
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: will not be an apologist rewrite. It will be a

2000
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 1: straight up villain origin story. Yes one. I don't want

2001
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 1: any redeemability, no wine, no thank you, just just cold

2002
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: heart cereal little shots because you know what you're well,

2003
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: let's not pretend. Let's not pretend we're not. We're at Roses.

2004
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, premiere party for the Supervillain Argent movie. Everyone's

2005
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 1: bottoming after so you have to be eating Raisin Brands

2006
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 1: fiber up. Yes, come on, come on, I see it all,

2007
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 1: I see it all. I'm looking the venue. Yes, that's

2008
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 1: wo that's the right around the quarter you're in pre

2009
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 1: pro because I would imagine it's got a budget, a

2010
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 1: budget and a half. These superhero movies, they got a

2011
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 1: budget and a half. Look y'all, this episode, like we

2012
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 1: said last week, roses Taste Taste Stop, and you know

2013
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 1: that it was it was a crack of lack. And

2014
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 1: when you look over at the timer and it's beyond

2015
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 1: two hours, come on, I want to say again, I'm

2016
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 1: just so grateful to be here and you you both

2017
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 1: really have like saved my sanity during quarantine, especially the

2018
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 1: part where I've been super isolated. Like it really just

2019
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 1: like there are nights when I just listened to this

2020
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 1: podcast and I don't feel alone. And that is that

2021
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 1: means that such a wonderful thing that you give to people. Also,

2022
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 1: thank you for that Rose. That means truly the world

2023
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: coming from you. We we have loved you from Afar

2024
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:48,080
Speaker 1: for so long and then like and now I just

2025
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know. We're all, We're all, we're

2026
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 1: all pals like within our circles. You know. It's it's

2027
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 1: so we're sister hood, sisterhood, you know, Boon and Yang,

2028
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: we do, in act end every episode with a song

2029
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 1: we too, We too, We Too. I killed my fall

2030
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 1: I started because you know that was that was crazy,

2031
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 1: because you know what I was gonna do Dorothy, which

2032
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:23,680
Speaker 1: is like very the opposite vocally, very east coast, west coast.

2033
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't know Dorothea, and that's gonna be. That's gonna

2034
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:28,360
Speaker 1: have to be something that changes before next week when

2035
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 1: you want to do a track by track of Evermore,

2036
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh goddamn Well. Tune in next week to see learn

2037
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: the single words of the album every Moore, Bye Bye,