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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot of very consequential news this morning,

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Speaker 1: especially with regards to Israel. So yesterday they struck the

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Speaker 1: Iranian embassy in Syria, killing a top commander and a

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Speaker 1: number of other individuals. This has potentially catastrophic and frankly

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Speaker 1: terrifying consequences the fallen of this, so we will take

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Speaker 1: a look at that. Also, yesterday they struck and killed

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Speaker 1: seven aid workers with Jose Andres organization in the World

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Speaker 1: Central Kitchen. That organization has now paused all operations in

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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip. One of the individuals who was killed is

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Speaker 1: actually an American citizen, So break that down for you

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Speaker 1: as well. We've got some Trump updates for you. He

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Speaker 1: look at what has been done to Al Shifa Hospital.

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Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and jump into this big news

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Speaker 1: with regards to Israel. Let's put this up on the screen. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So this is extraordinarily significant, not only because who was

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's hard to think of a similar scenario

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Speaker 3: There have been zero attacks in six weeks.

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Speaker 2: That's the terrifying part. So this is actually a breach

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Speaker 1: to be. There are dire warnings coming from the Iranians.

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Speaker 1: There was a statement released saying this attack will have

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Speaker 1: They have violated effectively every humanitarian international law, norm, guideline,

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Speaker 1: You have seven aid workers operating in a deconfliction zone

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Speaker 1: a popular that israel Is starving to death, who are

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Speaker 1: what type of escalation here. It is absolute insanity. What

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Speaker 2: Well, it's really terrifying, as I said, because we're the

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Speaker 1: A pattern of aid workers being killed and slaughtered in

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Speaker 2: It's the exact tailtale sign of a precision guided munition

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Speaker 1: This is just another number added to the hundreds of

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Speaker 3: And we already all.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is on and we're at the Java La kitchen,

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Speaker 1: Thank you some of humanity's finess. Right there, Zomi and Shefali.

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Speaker 2: Tragic, I mean beyond tragic, honestly, just aid workers. Look,

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Speaker 1: they're investigating, wait for the results of that investigation. And

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Speaker 1: guess what, you never hear the results of that investigation.

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Speaker 1: You never hear about it again unless you know somebody

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Speaker 1: like Ryan or another journalist ask about it, to which

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Speaker 1: they just point to, you know, well, we're upset about that,

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Speaker 1: and they're investigating, and we'll wait to see so we

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Speaker 1: know exactly where this is ultimately going to go. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the Israeli military, the IDF. They're famously very

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Speaker 1: technically advanced, right, they have all the technology in the world,

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Speaker 1: and yet we have consistently seen AID workers, medical workers, ambulances.

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Speaker 1: The little girl who was trapped in a car with

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Speaker 1: her dead family members begging for help, the Red Crescent

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Speaker 1: sends out medics in an ambulance deconflicted with the Israelis

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Speaker 1: in an attempt to save her, and everyone involved targeted

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Speaker 1: and killed.

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Speaker 3: Like at a certain point.

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Speaker 1: We can't be so naive as to think these are

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Speaker 1: all just unfortunate accidents that the Israelis are truly, really

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Speaker 1: profoundly sorry about, because again, this helps to further their

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Speaker 1: goal of inflicting pain and suffering on the palestinating people,

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Speaker 1: specifically through the tool of starvation as a weapon of war.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that this aid organization has now had

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Speaker 1: to pause their operations and are no longer feeding the

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Speaker 1: people of Gaza who are starving to death is a devastating,

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Speaker 1: devastating Below, let's move on to some additional risks for

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Speaker 1: our service members that are President Joe Biden is willingly

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Speaker 1: putting them into. Let's put this up on the screen, Soccer.

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Speaker 1: You found this, I mean, this is it's obvious in

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Speaker 1: a way by the Washington posts. You made a good

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Speaker 1: job writing up here. Biden's plan for Gaza Peer endangers

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Speaker 1: US troops, experts warn Skeptics fear the humanitarian operation will

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Speaker 1: be an enticing target for Hamas or other militants. They

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Speaker 1: write in this piece, the Biden administration's plan to install

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Speaker 1: a floating peer as part of the broad international initiative

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Speaker 1: feed starving Palas names will endanger the US service members

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Speaker 1: who must build, operate, and defend the structure from attack.

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Speaker 1: According to military experts, they say there is a risk

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Speaker 1: of enormous political consequences for the president. I love how

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Speaker 1: the political consequences for the president our top of mind

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Speaker 1: here versus the lives of the service members who are

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Speaker 1: being put at risk. The Americans fixed proximity to the

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Speaker 1: fighting and the intense anger at the US for support

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Speaker 1: of Israel will render the peer an enticing target for

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Speaker 1: Hamas or another militant group, many of whom receive arms

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Speaker 1: military guidance from Iran. Skeptics of the operation worn rocket fire,

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Speaker 1: attack druns and divers, are boats hauling explosives. All will

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Speaker 1: pose a threat. Paul Kennedy, who's a retired Marine Corps

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Speaker 1: general who led major humanitarian operations after natural disasters into

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Speaker 1: Paul in the Philippines, said, quote, if a bomb went

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Speaker 1: off in that location, the American public will ask what

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Speaker 1: the hell were they doing there in the first place,

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Speaker 1: which seems like something that the American people are frankly

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Speaker 1: already asking.

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Speaker 2: Well, they should ask that, because actually the more that

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Speaker 2: we learn about this, the more terrifying it becomes. It

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Speaker 2: says currently the amount that you that one thousand four

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Speaker 2: Army ships deployed from Southeast Virginia March twelve. After an

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Speaker 2: estimated thirty day transit, the vessels will pull in offshore.

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Speaker 2: The soldiers will then began building a floating steel structure

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Speaker 2: in eighteen hundred foot two lane causeway stretching from the

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Speaker 2: edd of the Mediterranean Sea to a beachhead. All deliveries

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Speaker 2: will then be staged and inspected in Cyprus before being

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Speaker 2: loaded onto vessels that carry them to the pier. US

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Speaker 2: personnel will have to move supplies to that causeway. They

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Speaker 2: say then that officials will not leave it. Now here's

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Speaker 2: where it gets even crazier is that the Israel government

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Speaker 2: has said that is really forces will only ensure that

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Speaker 2: aid reaches those that it should. Now they're taking over,

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Speaker 2: So who exactly is this aid, you know, being turned

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Speaker 2: over to? The other question here about troops and being

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Speaker 2: top of mind is they list the evacuation of Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: and the Bay Route bombings from nineteen eighty three as

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Speaker 2: to consequences of what it looks like whenever you just

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Speaker 2: have troops in a very uncertain environment. And that really

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Speaker 2: what makes me nervous about this, and I think rightfully

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Speaker 2: so is a way these are only a thousand, you know,

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Speaker 2: source of sailors. Let's not forget you know, incidents like Beyrout,

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Speaker 2: like the USS coal bombing in two thousand. All it

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Speaker 2: took was a pittily little speedboat and they killed a

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Speaker 2: lot of American sailors and they blew, you know, some

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Speaker 2: two hundred million dollar ship a massive hole in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the side of it. So it just highlights

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Speaker 2: the immense danger that these guys are in. I mean,

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Speaker 2: not to mention it's in the middle of a freaking

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Speaker 2: war zone. The Israelis just bombed AID workers. How do

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Speaker 2: we know that our troops and personnel won't come into content?

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Speaker 2: How do we know that a hamas rocket's not going

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Speaker 2: to missfire or intentionally be fired at them, and it

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Speaker 2: just takes one and then what do we know, We're

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Speaker 2: all in the middle of something else. Again, not to

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Speaker 2: mention even accidents. I mean, remember in the Obama administration

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Speaker 2: when the Navy speedboat what was it like, drifted into

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Speaker 2: Iranian waters and it was a hostage crisis. These are

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Speaker 2: all things that we need to avoid absolute you know

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Speaker 2: that we should not even consider putting our people in

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Speaker 2: harms way, and instead we're actually sending more people into

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Speaker 2: harms way, specifically to protect Israel's reputation. I guess which

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Speaker 2: is what's even more ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the logic of it is insane and preposterous.

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Speaker 1: There there are plenty of AID crossings, there are plenty

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Speaker 1: of AID trucks. The thing that's lacking is really will

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Speaker 1: to actually feed the people in Gaza and not start

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Speaker 1: them to death. That's what's lacking. So that's why this

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Speaker 1: whole pure idea has always been preposterous. By the way,

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Speaker 1: after it was announced in Biden's State of the Union,

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Speaker 1: like it was some great humanitarian gesture that he came

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Speaker 1: up with, it later was revealed through reporting that actually

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Speaker 1: Netanyahu was the one who suggested it.

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Speaker 3: It was his idea.

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Speaker 1: And then netanyahuo floated to the Kanesset, to a group

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Speaker 1: in the Kannesset that hey, perhaps this peer could ultimately

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Speaker 1: be used to allow Palestinians, allow quote unquote Palestinians to

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Speaker 1: leave the Gaza Strip, in other words, to help further

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Speaker 1: our aims of ethnic cleansing and demographically thinning this area.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's I think really going on here, because

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Speaker 1: the idea that this is the best way to get

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Speaker 1: aid into the Gaza Strip is insane. All we need

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Speaker 1: to do is actually pressure Israel to let in the

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Speaker 1: aid that is sitting amassed at the border, but we

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Speaker 1: won't do that. Instead, we would rather put our service

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Speaker 1: members at risk on some nonsense boondoggle that's going to

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Speaker 1: take months to even come into effect anyway. And then,

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Speaker 1: by the way, every time the Panagamon of the State

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Speaker 1: Department gets asked about hey, you know, okay, so once

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Speaker 1: this peer is built, what is even your plan for

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Speaker 1: a distribution because you have effectively anarchy at least.

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Speaker 3: In northern Gaza. And they're, oh, we'll get back to

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Speaker 3: you on that.

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Speaker 1: We don't really know that seems like a pretty frickin

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Speaker 1: key piece of the puzzle here, doesn't it. Because one

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Speaker 1: of the problems is even when an AID truck does

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Speaker 1: get in, Israel has targeted the civil society workers and

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Speaker 1: the other groups on the ground that have been trying

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Speaker 1: to be responsible for safely delivering.

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Speaker 3: This aid and not just having chaos.

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Speaker 1: And you know, or the massacres that have occurred, like

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Speaker 1: the Flower massacre where the IDF directly fires on starving

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Speaker 1: gossens who are trying to seek out this food for

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Speaker 1: themselves and their families. So just another layer of irresponsibility

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Speaker 1: and insanity that you know, I think everyone clearly sees through.

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Speaker 1: Let's also talk a little bit about, you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the other events that have been occurring that fell

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Speaker 1: a little bit under the radars.

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Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen. So an Iraqi militia

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Speaker 3: was actually.

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Speaker 1: Able to strike inside of Israel in their Red Sea

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Speaker 1: port city of a Lot came under an aerial attack

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Speaker 1: on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Caused no casualties, the.

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Speaker 1: Military said, but was able to get through their air

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Speaker 1: defense systems. So that is significant and also just a

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Speaker 1: reminder the Houthis are still out there doing their thing,

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Speaker 1: and we are still out there, you know, shooting down

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Speaker 1: their drones and attacking inside of Yemen. In another potentially

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Speaker 1: you know, escalatory scenario. Can put this up on the

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Speaker 1: screen the Houthis have. The US military says it destroyed

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Speaker 1: Houthy drones over the Red Sea and in Yemen. So

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Speaker 1: you know, how many months at this point have we

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Speaker 1: had this policy of striking the Thies. Hasn't slowed them down,

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Speaker 1: haven't changed the dynamics, not that they even expected that

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Speaker 1: it would. But this remains another potential point of escalation.

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Speaker 1: So a dangerous and horrifying situation all the way around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's scary, especially considering those attacks on the Altoni

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Speaker 2: base and others that could have broken at least what

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Speaker 2: was supposedly some sort of six week you know, temporary

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Speaker 2: ceasefire that we saw in the region. All signs point

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Speaker 2: to more US soldiers, more US blood, and more US

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Speaker 2: involvement in the Middle East. That's something I fought against

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Speaker 2: for my entire professional life. So makes sense that this

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Speaker 2: is exactly where we end up, even though I would

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Speaker 2: contend the super majority of the American public has learned

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Speaker 2: our lessons from our adventures in that region, and yet

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Speaker 2: you know, Washington, Israel, everybody else can't just keep dragging

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Speaker 2: us into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, all right.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: his somewhat all over the police comments that he made

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Speaker 1: to an Israeli news doundlet. The reaction to those comments

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Speaker 1: from the two right wing Israeli journalists who were interviewing

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Speaker 1: him is now being reported in the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: I can put this up on the screen. So the

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Speaker 1: headline here is Trump's call for Israel to quote finish

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Speaker 1: up war. Alarm some on the right recent remarks he

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Speaker 1: made urging an end to the Gaza conflict and no

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Speaker 1: insistence on freeing Israeli hostages. First, we're another departure from

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Speaker 1: conservative support for net and Yahoo. So they right here.

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Speaker 1: Two Israeli journalists traveled to Palm Beach, Florida a little

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Speaker 1: over a week ago, hoping to elicit from Donald J.

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Speaker 1: Trump a powerful expression of support for their country's war

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Speaker 1: in Gaza. Instead, one of them wrote that what they

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Speaker 1: heard from mister Trump at mar A Lago quote shocked

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Speaker 1: us to the core. Both US presidential cannie Biden and

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Speaker 1: Trump are turning their rhetorical backs on Israel. This is

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Speaker 1: so delusional by the way, on every level, both about

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Speaker 1: Biden and about Trump. But anyway, concluded Ariel Kahana, right

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Speaker 1: wing settler who is the senior diplomatic correspondent for Israel

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Speaker 1: Higham the newspapers owned by the billionaire Republican donor at

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Speaker 1: Miriam Maddilson. Miss Addilson has arranged the interview with mister

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Speaker 1: Trump personally, Accordingyshaw, person with direct knowledge of the planning,

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Speaker 1: and just as a little reminder of a bit of

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Speaker 1: what he said in that interview, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: listen to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: They would have.

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Speaker 8: Never done that because they knew there would have been

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Speaker 8: very big consequences.

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Speaker 7: All right, that.

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Speaker 8: Being said, you have to finish up your war. You

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Speaker 8: have to finish it up. You got to get it done,

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Speaker 8: and I'm sure you'll do that. And we got to

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Speaker 8: get to peace. You can't have this going on. And

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Speaker 8: I will say, Israel has to be very careful because

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Speaker 8: you're losing a lot of the world, You're losing a

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Speaker 8: lot of support. You have to finish up, you have

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Speaker 8: to get the job done, and you have to get

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Speaker 8: onto peace. You have to get onto a normal life

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Speaker 8: for Israel. And for everybody else here they say, if

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Speaker 8: I ran for if I ran for office in Israel,

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Speaker 8: I get ninety eight percent of the vote. I'm not Jewish,

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Speaker 8: and yet Israel to me is very important.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to say, that's why I did gol

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Speaker 1: on Heights, a reminder of the fact that he was

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Speaker 1: staunchly pro Israel when he was president in the United

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Speaker 1: States the last time around. But one of those journalists

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Speaker 1: reacting saying Trump effectively bypassed Biden from the left when

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Speaker 1: he expressed willingness to stop this war and get back

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Speaker 1: to being the great country you once were. There's no

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Speaker 1: way to beautify, minimize, or cover up that problematic message.

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Speaker 1: So a bit of a freak ount there on those comments.

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Speaker 3: I found it, amuzing I.

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Speaker 2: Found it really funny, but actually really worth reading this piece.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Swan always a very good reporter and astute, and

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Speaker 2: he had an interesting thing. I definitely wanted to get

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Speaker 2: your reaction to Crystal is. John Poteerrits. He's the editor

671
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Speaker 2: of Commentary. People who don't know we call him JPod Online,

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Speaker 2: probably one of the most unhinged Israel supporters, has attacked

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Speaker 2: the Show Me and You Times previously only known because

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Speaker 2: his father was a respected intellectual, but many such cases

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Speaker 2: here in Washington, DC. Anyway, here's what he says, quote,

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Speaker 2: the only difference between Trump and Biden, and I say

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Speaker 2: this as somebody who is not a supporter of Biden,

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Speaker 2: is that Biden has put his money where his mouth is.

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Speaker 2: He's been sending arms. Mister Pudhert said so that he

680
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Speaker 2: seems to suggest, operationally, the problem with Biden is rhetoric

681
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Speaker 2: and not policy. Trump is rhetoric and he's not laying

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Speaker 2: out any policy that should make anybody feel good. And

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Speaker 2: now I found that very noteworthy because as you can

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Speaker 2: see there, the actual diehards for Israel are very much

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Speaker 2: appreciative of Joe Biden. They are annoyed that he won't

686
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: rhetorically back him, but they're like, hey, he's been sending

687
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: in the arms. That's what we actually want the weapons.

688
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: Trump is a genuine wildcard. You have no idea. And

689
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 2: the irony is is that Trump doesn't care. He doesn't

690
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Speaker 2: care about anything. And in fact what comes through is

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Speaker 2: that he has quote never forgiven Benjamin Nettunnahoo for congratulating

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden as the winner of the twenty twenty election,

693
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Speaker 2: and it may Hey, listen, take what you can get

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Speaker 2: right with Trump. That may be the one thing that

695
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Speaker 2: will undercut his previous love affair with Netauna Who. For example,

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, mister Trump told Axios journalist Brock

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Speaker 2: Ravid he concluded Nettuna Who never wanted peace with the Palestinians,

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Speaker 2: and his first reaction after October seventh was to criticize

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Speaker 2: Bibie and the intelligence services. His advisors then privately pleaded

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Speaker 2: with him to clean up his comments, and then he

701
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Speaker 2: eventually turned to standard lines of support before returning to

702
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Speaker 2: the ambiguity of you gotta wrap this thing up now

703
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: as much as possible. I mean, look, I've always put

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Speaker 2: some at least some faith in Trump's complete indifference on

705
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Speaker 2: these issues, because with Trump it's better rather than by Biden.

706
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: Is ideological in some way, sometimes good Afghanistan, sometimes horrible,

707
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Speaker 2: like in Many, Ukraine, for example, Israel. With Trump, he'll

708
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: just go where over the wind blows. And what struck

709
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Speaker 2: out to me was with Trump throughout the whole thing,

710
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: he's like, it's becoming a real problem. You know, you

711
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Speaker 2: look all over the world, people are really starting to

712
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Speaker 2: abandon you. You got to wrap things up. He's like an

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Speaker 2: outside observer and with that, now we don't know what

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Speaker 2: policy will happen, you know, if he were to assume

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Speaker 2: the presidency. But at the very least he is a

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Speaker 2: genius in one respect, which is public relations and with

717
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Speaker 2: how things are shifting politically and where to stake out

718
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Speaker 2: a position. And that's why it was extraordinary to hear

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Speaker 2: him say like, oh, you got to wrap it up

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Speaker 2: as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: The safest assumption with Trump is obviously that he's going

722
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Speaker 1: to connect himself the same way he read last time,

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Speaker 1: which is overwhelming pro Israel support. And one thing that

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Speaker 1: was noteworthy in that interview that didn't get as enough

725
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Speaker 1: attention is the interviewers asked specifically about this proposal from

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Speaker 1: Trump's ambassador to Israel when he was president of the

727
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Speaker 1: United States, where his proposal asked for Israel to fully

728
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Speaker 1: assert sovereignty over the West Bank, what he of course

729
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Speaker 1: calls today in Samaria. And they asked Trump about it,

730
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Speaker 1: and he basically indicated he was open to it. I mean,

731
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Speaker 1: that's the thing, is you're right that he he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the same ideological, fervent commitment to Israel that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden clearly does. He is a purely transactional character. However,

734
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Speaker 1: always up to this point in the modern you know,

735
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Speaker 1: in the past thirty years or whatever, that transactional math always,

736
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Speaker 1: especially on the Republican side, at this point, adds up

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Speaker 1: to fervent, unconditional support of whatever the hell Israel wants

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Speaker 1: to do. Because remember, the actually the strongest, most lockstep

739
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Speaker 1: diehard supporters not just of Israel, but of Nan Yahoo

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Speaker 1: and Moriss and Ben Giveren, whatever insanity and psychosis they

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Speaker 1: want to unleash, is not actually Jewish Americans. It's the

742
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Speaker 1: white evangelical Christians who make up the most important part

743
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Speaker 1: and the most fervent supporters of Donald Trump. You also have,

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Speaker 1: you know, part of why last time around he was

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Speaker 1: so pro Israel. It is not just because of Kushner,

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Speaker 1: but because of the close relationship and the money that

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Speaker 1: came from Sheldon Addelson. So it's not clear to me

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Speaker 1: that any of that fundamental transactional math has really shifted

749
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Speaker 1: from him. So I can't have any like hope or

750
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Speaker 1: expectation that the fact that he made these like sort

751
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Speaker 1: of vague comments saying you got to wrap it up,

752
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Speaker 1: which can also be construed as you need to sort

753
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Speaker 1: of like, you know, the guy who said you need

754
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Speaker 1: to knew Gaza and finish it off the Republican congressman.

755
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Speaker 1: I mean, Trump obviously didn't say that, but that finished

756
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Speaker 1: the job. Rhetoric is similar to what that Congresszan cleaned

757
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: up his nuke Gaza comments to mean. So anyway, I

758
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Speaker 1: think the freak ount over where Trump would be from

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: the Israeli perspective and from the right wing we got

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Speaker 1: to support Israel no matter what perspective is misplaced. Although

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Speaker 1: I do acknowledge that he does not have the ideological

762
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Speaker 1: furquency around this issue that certainly Joe Biden does.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what he's gonna do. That's always

764
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Speaker 2: kind of the fun thing with Trump, and we have

765
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Speaker 2: a relative idea. But I still found it noteworthy, and

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Speaker 2: I did find it especially interesting that the Netanyahu personal angle,

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Speaker 2: and also the fact that, I mean, look, let's not

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Speaker 2: pretend Miriam will Aidelson is one of the most powerful

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Speaker 2: people in the entire GOP. Her late husband Sheldon Addleston,

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Speaker 2: the multi billionaire Las Vegas Las Vegas stands. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he is the funder of birthright, probably single handedly responsible

772
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Speaker 2: for a huge portion of the GOP electorate's actual positioning

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Speaker 2: on Israel. For him to still say that to a

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Speaker 2: Miriam Adelson interviewee is actually pretty crazy. Now, you know,

775
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Speaker 2: you could take whatever you want from that. You have

776
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Speaker 2: no idea which way it will go. But noteworthy to

777
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Speaker 2: me nonetheless, that at least in Israel they were like,

778
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Speaker 2: oh wow, like at least he is really right. They're

779
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Speaker 2: starting to understand that things are a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Here's what is important is even though like I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there could concern over whether Trump

782
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Speaker 1: is going to be pro Israel or not is particularly

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Speaker 1: well founded, the fact that there's a bit of a

784
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Speaker 1: freak out over it is actually positive because one of

785
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Speaker 1: the things that you might expect is that you know,

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Speaker 1: Bbe would prefer Trump to be in office and thinks

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Speaker 1: he can basically like you know, Thombas knows that Joe

788
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Speaker 1: Biden and wait it out, weigh out these little, you know,

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Speaker 1: handbringing recriminations that are coming from the Biden administration with

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Speaker 1: the expectation that he's going to have Trump his buddy

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Speaker 1: to deal with next time around. And so this at

792
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: least scrambles that calculus a little bit, and that way

793
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Speaker 1: is a positive thing.

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Speaker 3: Not to mention.

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Speaker 1: It's just the comments are amusing in and of themselves.

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Speaker 1: They were shocked to their core, all right, So let's

797
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Speaker 1: go ahead and get to the business news with regards

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up on the screen. So we just learned.

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Speaker 1: That Truth Social lost fifty eight million dollars last year

801
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Speaker 1: and as a result, their stock absolutely tanked. It slid

802
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Speaker 1: ultimately at the end of the day twenty one percent.

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Speaker 1: At one point during the day it was down. That

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Speaker 1: is a direct hit obviously to Donald Trump and his

805
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Speaker 1: wealth because he owns a fifty seven percent stake in

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Speaker 1: that company. So as a result of this massive drop,

807
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Speaker 1: his personal net worth dropped one billion dollars in a day.

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Speaker 1: We can put up the chart showing the trajectory of

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Speaker 1: the Trump Media and Technology Group stock price. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is over a long period of time when it

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Speaker 1: was the Spack and whatever. So we can see in

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Speaker 1: the recent era there at the end of this chart,

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Speaker 1: you know.

814
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Speaker 3: Kind of up and down movement.

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Speaker 1: Then you have this huge spike just before they you know,

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Speaker 1: officially become this Trump Median Technology stock. And then yesterday

817
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Speaker 1: you see this precipitous fall in the stock price, which

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a big deal for Trump because he

819
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: has a cash crunch right now because of his legal issues.

820
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Speaker 1: He did get catch a bit of a break in

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Speaker 1: New York in terms of what he's going to have

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Speaker 1: to put down upfront, but it's still a lot of

823
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Speaker 1: money that he's on the.

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Speaker 3: Hook for here.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that the stock price took such a

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Speaker 1: hit is significant. And also, you know, as we discussed before,

827
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Speaker 1: so Trump Media and Technology Group True Social they generated

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Speaker 1: just four point one million dollars in revenue last year

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Speaker 1: and lost fifty eight million dollars.

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Speaker 3: So the idea that this is some.

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Speaker 1: Multi billion dollar company is just like the most preposterous

832
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Speaker 1: thing ever.

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Speaker 3: But it's basically a meme stock.

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Speaker 1: His supporters liked the stock, They wanted to help Trump.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to see if they can make some money

836
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Speaker 1: off of it too, So they've been bidding an up

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Speaker 1: and up and up, and a significant portion of that,

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Speaker 1: although not all of it came crashing down yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What's interesting is that especially highlight some issues with

840
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Speaker 2: SPACs and with the shell companies and the way that

841
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Speaker 2: they go public, in that the filing was made after

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Speaker 2: actually the offering. Now as I understand that this is

843
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Speaker 2: something unique in particular to when SPACs can are allowed

844
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Speaker 2: to go public before then they are allowed to report

845
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Speaker 2: their financials and is a little bit different than a

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Speaker 2: traditional IPO. I was reading a little bit in the business press,

847
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Speaker 2: but the filing at the end of the day shocked

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Speaker 2: all of Wall Street, not just because of the where

849
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Speaker 2: the price was, because it showed that the company generated

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Speaker 2: Crystal just seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in revenue

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Speaker 2: in just the fourth quarter of last year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think people need to understand this too. Fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: especially if you're doing advertising, that's that's like the best

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Speaker 2: time because that's when a huge portion of ad spend

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Speaker 2: is actually recorded and is actually deployed because that's when

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Speaker 2: all of us are shopping for Christmas presents or Black Friday.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's usually it's like for us, for example

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Speaker 2: here on YouTube, that's when we're going to make the

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Speaker 2: most amount of money because that is when our ad

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Speaker 2: rates you're not going to go up. And then Q

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Speaker 2: one January through March is usually the worst time because

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Speaker 2: that's like the lowest ad spend period, so for them

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Speaker 2: to bring in just some three quarters of a million

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Speaker 2: dollars in revenue is honestly stunning, you know, given like

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Speaker 2: it's like, how are you even signing up any clients?

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Speaker 2: And then then you give their top line figures and

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Speaker 2: then you have to wonder about what that growth is

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Speaker 2: and about the burn rate for some sixty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's another question I have. I'm like, what the hell

870
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Speaker 2: are you even spending sixty million dollars on?

871
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: Is?

872
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, what is it? Servers? Like, it

873
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: can't take that many engineers to run this. It's very

874
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: basic technology. Look at Elon he fired ninety percent of

875
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: the people on Twitter in this site mostly still works.

876
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you doing over there?

877
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: Apparently a lot of.

878
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: It was an interest expense. I'm not really clear interest

879
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: on what, but I guess must have some sort of

880
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: loan massive set that they Yeah. So anyway, which, yeah,

881
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: that is a problem because that means that's going to

882
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: continue potentially and definitely right the thing was true social

883
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just to get to pretend like this is

884
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: a serious business model for a moment. We were always

885
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: skeptical of these like Twitter alternatives back when you know,

886
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: Trump was kicked off of Twitter, and before it was

887
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: in the Elon Musk era and whatever.

888
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: But at that point, at.

889
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Least there was some sort of a business logic to

890
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: a Twitter alternative of like, you've got all these conservatives

891
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: who are upset about the way this company is being managed.

892
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: You feel like it doesn't represent there are values who

893
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: want to be able to go somewhere else. And so

894
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: if you've got Donald Trump on this other platform that's

895
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: basically Twitter, but it's run by someone that you feel

896
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: more ideologically aligned with, that at least has some logic

897
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: to it. But now that you have the elon Twitter

898
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: era and it's much more of a sympathetic place to

899
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: conservatives and it's you know, sort of coded right wing. Now,

900
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: whether the reality of that is true or not, the

901
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: business case really doesn't make any sense. I mean, at

902
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: this point, true Social is just relevant only because Trump

903
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: is on it, and I can't say that I have

904
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: personally spent a lot of time on truth Social. But

905
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: apparently because there's no liberals there to like, you know,

906
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: to sneer at and mock, it's also kind of destructive

907
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: to the conservative movement because it's just them arguing with

908
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: each other and like tearing each.

909
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: Other apart to yeah, I don't know enough.

910
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: But it's this, you know, it's this tiny silo where

911
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: the only thing that really matters on it is whatever

912
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: Donald Trump says, which gets picked up and also put

913
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and which is where we usually see it

914
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: or also polished, you know, by media outlets when it's

915
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: something worthy, like his various Easter deranged truths. So it

916
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: really doesn't have a logical business case at this point.

917
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, it's like, oh, I can't

918
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: believe they only they only got in seven hour, fifty

919
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in revenue last quarter. But it's also like,

920
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: who is even advertising on this platform at all? And

921
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: what yeah, what business would say, Oh, the place I

922
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: really want to be is true Social. It's going to

923
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: be definitionally, it's going to be very niche organizations who

924
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: are really just trying to target this specific ideological group.

925
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I was trying to look up how

926
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: many daily active users True Social has. That information's not

927
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: out there, but it obviously is dwarfed by other, you know,

928
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: mainstream social media platforms. So in any case, I think

929
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: it was only a matter of time before there was

930
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: a significant cratch, and I would expect that there's more

931
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: to come. And again it is one more illustration of

932
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: just how incredibly fake our economy is. Because I do this,

933
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: even after the crash, it still has like a six

934
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: point six billion dollars valuation.

935
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: Crazy.

936
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: No, it's been an e Yeah, And that's the other

937
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: view is that they haven't yet had to tell us

938
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: what their number of monthly users is. There is an

939
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: estimate that there are approximately one million monthly active users,

940
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: but not daily active users. I mean, for context, I

941
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: think Twitter has two hundred and seventeen million. I believe

942
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: like actual daily active users. I'm pretty sure i'd have

943
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: to go back. Yeah, daily user base of two hundred

944
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: and seventeen million as of April of twenty twenty two.

945
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: Don't know what it is under Elon. According to Elon,

946
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: it's actually up, so you know. Anyway, So we're talking

947
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: at two to three hundred times, And just so everybody knows,

948
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: trude social is what worth six billion. Fidelity has marked

949
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: down their investment in Elon's Twitter by some seventy percent.

950
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: So let's do the math here. Let's doo point three times.

951
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: What did Elon pay for a forty four billion, so

952
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: their fidelity is valuing Twitter under Elon around thirteen billion,

953
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: so there's no way yeah double, So it's like that

954
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: actually sounds reasonable to me, thirteen billion dollars for the

955
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: current Twitter, but yeah, six billion is wildly outrageous.

956
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: I mean, think about that.

957
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: Okay, obviously it's not exactly apples to apples because we're

958
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: a very different business here, but only a million monthly

959
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: active users. That means way more people watch our show

960
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: in a month, oh than are active on truth social I.

961
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: Don't even know.

962
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I go to show you what a tiny niche sliver

963
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: of the market is and how completely irrelevant it is

964
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: the moment that Donald Trump stops posting there.

965
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to brag, but you know, might as well

966
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: problem it would be, you know, twenty million something like that.

967
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: That sounds pretty good in terms of how we're doing.

968
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're not idiots, and we don't think that

969
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: our business is worth six billion dollars.

970
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 9: There.

971
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 2: At the same time, we wanted to put some good

972
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: news actually in the show. There's been an astounding development

973
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: amongst gen z. Even though a lot of people are

974
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: very concerned about their political views and maybe their online

975
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: phone usage. It seems that they are a lot more

976
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: sensible than my millennial generation whenever it comes to employment.

977
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this out there on the screen

978
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: quote from the Wall Street Journal, how gen Z is

979
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: becoming the tool belt generation. More young workers are going

980
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 2: into trades at disenchantment with the college treck continues, rising pay,

981
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: and new technologies shine up plumbing and electrical jobs. Let's

982
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: actually go to the next part because this is a

983
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: really interesting chart that people can see. It shows that

984
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: enrollment growth in four year college degree in vocational community

985
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: focused community college has gone up by some fifteen percent

986
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty one baseline, whereas there has been

987
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: maybe a single digit increase if you look at other

988
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: four year institutions and even community college that are not

989
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: vocational focus. What that tells us is that the spike,

990
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: the overall fifteen or percent spike, is one of the

991
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: most extraordinary that we've seen in modern American history for

992
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: younger people who are explicitly choosing to go in to

993
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: trades based educations with set wages that are much higher

994
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: than they ever were before than at any time previously

995
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: when they were choosing for more service based economies, we

996
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: can go to the next one too, because this is

997
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: really really fascinating is you can watch there how the

998
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: precipitous decline has happened in the average age of select

999
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: trades electrician, heating, air conditioning, carpenter, and I think every

1000
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: trade except for welding has seen a precipitous drop just

1001
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty, and especially since twenty seventeen in the

1002
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: median age of the people who are engaged in the trades. Crystal.

1003
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: And the main thing that comes through in this piece

1004
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: over and over again on top of the data is

1005
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: that people believe a couple of things. Number one is

1006
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: that the wage premium for college is no longer worth it.

1007
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: That is absolutely one hundred percent true. But two, and

1008
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: even more interesting to me, young people are sitting there

1009
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: eighteen years old. They're looking at AI. They're looking at

1010
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: the productivity gains that are being rolled up up into

1011
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: the stock prices these big tech companies, and they're saying, yeah,

1012
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: you know what, the one thing you can't AI is plumbing, welding,

1013
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: Having a job as an auto mechanic, having a job

1014
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: as an EV technician, having his job as an electrician.

1015
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: They're always going to need that, if anything, that's what's

1016
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: going to build the backbone of the future economy. And

1017
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: they're choosing to make that choice. And I think they're

1018
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: setting themselves up for a much easier and previously trodden

1019
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: path to middle class and frankly to prosperity and not

1020
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: taking out a lot of debt. They're setting themselves up

1021
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: for very very well. They're going to start airning a

1022
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: lot more money than they would have previously. It's a

1023
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: very very sensible direction for a lot of people who

1024
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: are out there.

1025
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredibly rational.

1026
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, college is insanely expensive and debt loads are skyrocketing

1027
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: with no real relief in sight. So you've got that

1028
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: on one side of the ledger, you have a bunch

1029
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: of young people who may have watched their are parents,

1030
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, white collar professions, and seeing how their life

1031
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: is consisted of staring at a computer screen all day

1032
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: and thought, you know what, this isn't really what I

1033
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: want for myself, And so I think there's a reaction

1034
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: in the other direction there. There's also tremendous demand in

1035
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: some of these trades where there'd been previously a crisis

1036
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: of a lot of older journeymen who were retiring and

1037
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: there wasn't a clear pipeline of new young talent to

1038
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: replace them. Well, that is now reversing, and you pointed

1039
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: to the pay, So in this piece they point out

1040
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: that the median pay for new construction hires actually rose

1041
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: a five point one percent to forty eight thousand dollars

1042
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: roughly last year. By contrast, new hires and professional services.

1043
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: So like your sort of traditional white collar job out

1044
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: of college earned an annual thirty nine thousand and experienced

1045
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: a two point seven percent, so a lower increase from

1046
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. This is according to ADP, so at

1047
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: least in terms of where you start out, you may

1048
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: start at a higher salary if you go into one

1049
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: of these trades versus if you go and spend all

1050
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: the money on a four year college degree. Now, still

1051
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: over the lifetime of these different careers blue collar versus

1052
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: white collar, right now, the median for white collar work

1053
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: once you're into your career continues to outpace blue collar work.

1054
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: But you know, does that remain the case? Is it

1055
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: worth it given the extraordinary expense that you have to

1056
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: incur on the front end, the fact that there's been

1057
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: a shift away from this idea that everyone has to

1058
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: go to college and if you're going to succeed in life,

1059
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: you have to go to college, and that's the only

1060
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: path forward. I think it's a really positive thing because

1061
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, there's also a lot of people who find

1062
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: tremendous fulfillment in the trades and like being able to

1063
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: build things and work with their hands and don't want

1064
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: to just sit in an office all day. So I

1065
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: think this is a really incredibly positive and hopeful development.

1066
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: Honestly, the other very important thing with this is we're

1067
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: talking about the part of the problem. What we talk

1068
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: about with wages is that we look at the average. So, yeah,

1069
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: it's true if you're in the white collar work, if

1070
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: you're college educated, you are probably on average, your lifetime

1071
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 2: earnings are going to be higher. But where do you live?

1072
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: What are you netting out? One of the nice things

1073
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: about trades is you can live wherever you want. You

1074
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: don't necessarily have to live in a city if you

1075
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: don't want to, and one hundred k a year in

1076
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: a smaller town where they need HVAC just as much

1077
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: as HVAC as we live here in Washington, DC. In

1078
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: some cases, your cost of living can be especially on

1079
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: housing can be like one fifth the amount in a

1080
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: major metropolitan area. You have a lot more flexibility. I

1081
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: see this all the time with people who are skilled,

1082
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: especially like nurses. Nurses they can just decide to move

1083
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: whenever they want, and they're in demand literally everywhere for

1084
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 2: small town, big town they want to make more money,

1085
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: they can travel to. It's an incredible career field. I

1086
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: see this too with people who are electricians and plumbers.

1087
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: When you have such a valuable skill, you can effectively

1088
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: transplant anywhere in the entire United States. You have more

1089
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 2: job security, and you also make it so they don't

1090
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: necessarily have to live in a major metropolitan area if

1091
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: you don't want to. It just gives you a ton

1092
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: of optionality. And the other thing, and this is what

1093
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: I really hope for, is that the colleges finally have

1094
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: to compete, because if their revenues start to go down,

1095
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: they're going to have to start mark getting themselves as

1096
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: to why they are actually worth it, and not just

1097
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: so mom and dad can feel good that you went

1098
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: to a four year college degree. They actually got to

1099
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: be like, no, no, no, if you come here, we're going

1100
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: to get you a job. So I actually invest some

1101
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: of that money that they're basically stealing from people and

1102
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: from the government into actually getting you a job on

1103
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: the other side, or maybe the lower their admissions rates,

1104
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 2: or maybe you know, we can change up our policy.

1105
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: That's probably the most fundamentally important thing, is a shake

1106
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: up to higher education.

1107
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that is correct.

1108
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: I also think there's something really important happening in terms

1109
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: of cultural views of college educated white collar work versus

1110
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: blue collar skilled trade work, which this was really you know,

1111
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: for a lot of years, especially in sort of like

1112
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 1: the peak of the neoliberal era, college was viewed as

1113
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: the pinnacle and trades were considered sort of like the fallback, right,

1114
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: the lesser choice.

1115
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: It was like the stepchild. You know.

1116
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: They talk about in this article, they talk about a

1117
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: high school where it used to be, you know, the

1118
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: trade building was sort of pushed off to the side

1119
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: and people sneered at it and looked down their nose

1120
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: at it. And now it's got a nice new equipment,

1121
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: it's at the front of.

1122
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: The school, it's featured. People actively seek.

1123
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: This out, you know, it doesn't have that same sort

1124
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: of like stigma around it that unfortunately it has for

1125
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: far too long.

1126
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: So I think that's a.

1127
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: Really positive direction as well, and also could lead to

1128
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, blue collar people, average working people having more

1129
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: say and more political power in terms of our politics

1130
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: as well. So I think that's really important. I also

1131
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: think there's something soccer to the fact that, just like

1132
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: the mystique and the fantasy of college is really worn off.

1133
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: How many people go and you know, they do the

1134
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: thing they're supposed to do, and they get their four

1135
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: year degree and then end up, you know, Barista's Starbucks,

1136
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: are working in a field or an industry where they

1137
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: don't even need a four year college degree, or they're

1138
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: certainly not working in mess I mean, perhaps a majority

1139
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: of people end up not even working in the thing

1140
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: that they studied in college.

1141
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: So it's like, what are we really doing here?

1142
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: We just here for some sort of a life experience,

1143
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: or is this actually leading us to where we want

1144
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: to be in terms of our life and career trajectories.

1145
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: So the fact that stigma's being removed, the fact that

1146
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: wages are going up, the fact that this is being

1147
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: seen as a viable, positive affirmative choice by more people

1148
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: in gen Z, I genuinely think this is such a.

1149
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: Positive thing absolutely you can. Let's spend some more time

1150
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: on this. Thirty nine percent of eighteen to twenty four

1151
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 2: year olds are enrolled in a post secondary program. That's

1152
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: way too high, way too high. The vast majority of

1153
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: those people are enrolled in quote unquote knowledge based service

1154
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: programs and previously were not engaged in vocational programs. The

1155
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: previous percent of people who went to college. I think

1156
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: the right amount was referent around nineteen percent. It should

1157
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: be a luxury good. It should be something where, yes,

1158
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: you have to take out a tremendous amount of debt

1159
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: or you come from a family that can afford it,

1160
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: and then you can use that wage premium in the

1161
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: service based economy. But the vast majority of people don't

1162
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: need to attend. It's not a good trade. So twenty

1163
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: percent or so of people who attended exactly into that bucket.

1164
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying it's fair. I don't think it

1165
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: is fair. But what I do think is that watching

1166
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: people go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt,

1167
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: the average college what is the average student loan that's

1168
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: out there, something like twenty five something thirty thousand dollars,

1169
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: especially on these variable interest rates with some of these

1170
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: private loan programs is usury. I mean, it's insane, and

1171
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: thanks to our current president, by the way, you can't

1172
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: even discharge it through bankruptcy. So it makes it that

1173
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: it's just an incredible news around people's neck. In this

1174
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: country right now, we have a huge problem where the

1175
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: average woman wants to have two point two kids and

1176
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: is having one point eight. The number one reason that

1177
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: families cite as to why is money and debt. Specifically,

1178
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: a huge portion of this is student debt. The other

1179
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: issue is I just was talking about if you want

1180
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: to have a job and you want to work with

1181
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: your college degree, the likelihood is, like us, you need

1182
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: to move to a major metropolitan area which has a

1183
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: very high cost of living and is where the major

1184
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: concentration of these things are. And so over and over

1185
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: you're getting on the wheel where very few people are

1186
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: actually winning. The people who won are the boomers in

1187
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: the past, and like I said, traditionally some twenty percent

1188
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: or so of the population, which does really justify that

1189
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: college premium highly concentrated in STEM in particular, for what

1190
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: is actually worth it. But we never thought about it

1191
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: as a trade. We just thought of it as an

1192
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: intrinsic good, and that's really how we ended up here.

1193
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just in favor of more choices, right.

1194
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: I think we should have debt forgiveness. I think we

1195
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: should have free public collers, so people who want to

1196
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: pursue that path, who want to go into STEM, want

1197
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 1: to go into a white collar career. For them, that's

1198
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: the thing, and it makes sense for them that they

1199
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: have that opportunity, and that's fantastic. I think it should

1200
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: be you know, like I said, I think public college

1201
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: should be free. It should certainly be way more affordable

1202
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: than it is right now. And we take it for

1203
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: granted because of the era that we grew up in

1204
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: that it should be this incredible burdensome load, when not

1205
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: that long ago, the University of California system was free

1206
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: and many other schools were extremely affordable where you could

1207
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: work and actually afford to pay your way through school.

1208
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: Like the idea of being able to do that is

1209
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: preposterous now, So people even at state schools leave with

1210
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars in debt to start their life.

1211
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: That has ripple effects throughout their entire life. As you're

1212
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: pointing out not only with family creation, also really stifles

1213
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: entrepreneurship because you know, you've got this thing you got

1214
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: to pay every month, and that's hanging over you, and

1215
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: so you just feel.

1216
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 3: Like, all right, I got to get to work.

1217
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: I got to get whatever is the highest paying job

1218
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: that I possibly can. Forget about potential entrepreneurship, forget about

1219
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: whatever the dream job might be that potentially is lower paying.

1220
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: I just got to get on that grind and try

1221
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: to pay the sucker off. So it really does constrain

1222
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: from the jump your life choices, which is a disaster.

1223
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: So the fact that you.

1224
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: Have, you know, other pathways that are being seen as attractive,

1225
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: that people are pursuing, that you know, have that the

1226
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: stigma around them is going away, and that lead can lead,

1227
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, very clearly and like on a direct path

1228
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: to this sort of you know, state middle class life.

1229
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: It's it's a really it's a really.

1230
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: Good thing, really encouraging, and I think we'll potentially have

1231
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: some impact on college affordability as well, because you are

1232
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: already seeing actually enrollment declines in four year institutions as

1233
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: things are shifting.

1234
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: So I do think it's a good direction.

1235
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hope that these private colleges in particular,

1236
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: I hope they get crushed from the wave of this

1237
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: because it is criminal how much they've been jacked.

1238
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah to show true a freaking mediocre school and you're

1239
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: paying those insane amounts.

1240
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1241
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: Did you see that in the Northeast some of these

1242
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: premium like liberal arts colleges are now charging some ninety

1243
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year. Look Yale maybe, and maybe I

1244
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: want to say again big maybe the rest of them,

1245
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: Sarah Lawrence or something like that. You are an idiot.

1246
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: If you're paying ninety thousand dollars for something like that,

1247
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: it ain't worth it. It ain't worth it.

1248
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: Wow, that's wild.

1249
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Havana syndrome. This is it's the

1250
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: syndrome which simply just won't die for those the fakes

1251
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: has wont killed more people in frustration at its coverage,

1252
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: then it actually has allegedly killed. And Havana syndrome just

1253
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: a return for those who have not heard of it.

1254
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: It has been now alleged for some five six odd

1255
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 2: years from the Cuban embassy in Havana, where it gets

1256
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: its name, where allegedly US workers embassy workers were being

1257
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: targeted with some new directed energy weapon and experiencing a

1258
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: bizarre array of symptoms. This was then accepted as fact

1259
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: published by the media ascribed then even though it occurred

1260
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: supposedly in Havana to the Russian government and became a

1261
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: full on Russia Gate craze throughout the two thousands, to

1262
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: the extent that the United States Congress passed money to

1263
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: help them with their health bills. Where the US intelligence

1264
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: community at first was treating it as real, the media

1265
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: has an entire panic about whether US diplomats are being

1266
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: attacked with this newfangled weapon. It was eventually killed and

1267
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: said that it was totally fake and by the US

1268
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: intelligence community itself. And yet sixty minutes has decided to

1269
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: resurrect Havana syndrome and say no even though the people

1270
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: who have every incentive to lie and say that it

1271
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: is real, even though they even say that it's not real,

1272
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: they are actually orchestrating a cover up. Here's what they

1273
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: had to say.

1274
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 10: If it is Russia. Investigative reporter Kristo Grozev believes he

1275
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 10: knows who's involved. In twenty eighteen, Grozev was the first

1276
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 10: to discover the existence of a top secret Russian intelligence

1277
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 10: unit which goes by a number two nine one five five.

1278
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 6: These are people who are trained to be versatile assassins

1279
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 6: and sabotage of raiters. They're trained in comp savellas, they're

1280
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 6: trained and exposess. They're trained at using poison and technology equipment,

1281
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 6: actually in thick pain or damage to the targets.

1282
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 10: And Grozev says he found one that may link two

1283
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 10: nine one five five to a directed energy weapon.

1284
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 6: And when I saw it, I literally had tears in

1285
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 6: my eyes because it was spelling out what they had

1286
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 6: been doing.

1287
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 10: It's a piece of accounting. An officer of two nine

1288
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 10: one five five received for work on quote potential capabilities

1289
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 10: of non lethal acoustic weapons.

1290
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: So he uh, supposedly this is clearly reads like a

1291
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: Tom Clancy novel, Crystal Unit two nine one five of

1292
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: the GRU. By the way, who is this man? He's

1293
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: a Bulgarian journalist who previously worked for Belling Cat, which

1294
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: has been funded by the CIA, and head of the

1295
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: investigations at quote. The Insider, which is an online newspaper

1296
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: supposedly Russia, founded by a Russian journalist and as obviously

1297
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: hostile to the Russian government. Now I'm not I don't

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Speaker 2: know very much about this man. What I do know

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Speaker 2: is that if you just look, it's very basic in

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Speaker 2: terms of the you know, the Midon, the Belling Cat

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Speaker 2: connections and all that, with all the incentive in the

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Speaker 2: world to play up some grand conspiracy and all of

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Speaker 2: this just taking at the word, frankly, a bunch of

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Speaker 2: diplomats and other people who could be suffering from any

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Speaker 2: kinds of health maladies from for whatever reason, hypochondriacs and

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Speaker 2: others who are just being totally believed with frankly no

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Speaker 2: skepticism by the media here and in parroting a crazy accusation,

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Speaker 2: which is that somebody is firing a secret microwave energy

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Speaker 2: weapon through the walls at your head to I mean,

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Speaker 2: for what purpose, to immobilize you? And just keep coming

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Speaker 2: back to why, for what reason, what purpose would this

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Speaker 2: entire thing exists?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this was really sold as you know, blockbuster story.

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Speaker 1: It was a partnership between sixty minutes German newspaper Der

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Speaker 1: Spiegel and Insider, which, as Zager is just saying, is

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Speaker 1: this outlet of Russian dissidents. So clearly, you know they

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Speaker 1: have a perspective that's fine, but you have to take

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Speaker 1: that perspective into account when you're considering the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: reporting here.

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Speaker 3: And they even have to admit.

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Speaker 1: In the piece that the quote unquote evidence that they're

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Speaker 1: able to produce is circumstantial. So the big smoking gun

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Speaker 1: is the piece that we just showed you this translated,

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Speaker 1: you know, memo of accounting referring to some ambiguous directed

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Speaker 1: energy acoustic weapon, right that has no specifics. We have

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Speaker 1: no tie in to what's happening here. We don't even

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Speaker 1: know if this is a real thing, right, so it's

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Speaker 1: very speculative.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's another piece.

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Speaker 1: There was an incident that unfolded in the country of Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and they have some potential indications that maybe this one

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Speaker 1: guy who may be affiliated with this unit could have

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Speaker 1: been in the area when one of these attacks happen.

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Speaker 1: And then they also have one of these attacks, I'll

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Speaker 1: use the quotes happen. And then they also have some

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Speaker 1: sort of a brief intercepted communication in Russian where someone

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Speaker 1: says is the green light supposed to be flashing?

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Speaker 3: And should it stay on all night?

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Speaker 1: Now, again, this is very speculative, Okay to connect these

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Speaker 1: pieces and say aha, that must be what's happening. The

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Speaker 1: evidence is just not there to justify to justify that conclusion,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a diplomatic asponsible.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, the green light thing.

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Speaker 3: That could be anything.

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Speaker 2: That's something, you know, for those of you who are

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Speaker 2: Whoop gang, that's what I say when I plug in

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Speaker 2: my whoop charger because it's green and it shines in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: I want to guess there's like a fair number of

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Speaker 1: Russian speakers in the country of Georgia and Toblisi at

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Speaker 1: a given moment. So, you know, the idea intercepted this call,

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Speaker 1: they painted as again like this kind of smoking gun

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Speaker 1: when it really really isn't. But to me, perhaps the

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Speaker 1: most revealing part of the sixty minutes you know segment

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Speaker 1: on this expose on this came at the very end

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Speaker 1: where one of the primary people that they're relying on

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Speaker 1: for this analysis, they mentioned in passing that now he's

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Speaker 1: left the Pentagon and he wants to get government contracts

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Speaker 1: to deal with Havana syndrome suffers, so he has a

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Speaker 1: direct monetary incentive to you know, spin this story and

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Speaker 1: paint this picture, et cetera. One of the other key

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Speaker 1: individuals that they interview as part of this is a

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Speaker 1: lawyer who's representing a bunch of Havana syndrome quote unquote sufferers.

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Speaker 1: So you also have, you know, a monetary and personal

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Speaker 1: incentive to paint this picture, so you know, when you

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Speaker 1: put the pieces together, of what they actually were able

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Speaker 1: to produce here versus you know, what we know and

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Speaker 1: what the government has even had to admit at this point.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that they were excited to admit this,

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Speaker 1: by the way, because they seem very gung ho about

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Speaker 1: the whole syndrome situation. It doesn't really add up.

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Speaker 2: No, it's certainly And there's also a hilarious part of

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Speaker 2: the interview where they attempt to disguise a woman by

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Speaker 2: just putting her in a wig, hoping that if she

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Speaker 2: looks a little bit like Lady Gaga, nobody will be

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Speaker 2: able to guess who she is. So if you're watching

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Speaker 2: in particular, you're gonna want to see this. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen.

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Speaker 10: One of them is Carrie. We're discuss and not using

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Speaker 10: her last name because she's still an FBI agent working

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Speaker 10: in counterintelligence. She says in twenty twenty one she was

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Speaker 10: home in Florida when she was hit by a crippling

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Speaker 10: force and bam, and.

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Speaker 11: So in my right ear, it was like a dentist

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Speaker 11: drilling on steroids, that feeling when.

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Speaker 10: It gets too close to your eardron.

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Speaker 7: It's like that, you know, times ten.

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Speaker 10: It was like a high pitch metallic drilling noise, and

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Speaker 10: it knocked me forward at like a forty five degree

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Speaker 10: angle this way.

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Speaker 2: As you can see, she's talking about some bizarre symptoms.

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Speaker 2: But frankly, just from watching that Crystal, look, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to look into who she is close. You shouldn't

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Speaker 2: want her identity revealed. But it's like, how is that

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Speaker 2: possibly going to shield you from any public scrutiny? Just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You're actually trying to protect somebody's protect somebody's actual, you know,

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Speaker 2: their identity. Let's also go and put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. As we mentioned, the intelligence community itself

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Speaker 2: says that this is vake. They say that Havana syndrome

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Speaker 2: was not caused by an energy weapon or a foreign

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Speaker 2: adversary according to them, and the basic sixty minutes theory

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Speaker 2: is that all of this is being covered up to

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Speaker 2: avoid some sort of war with Russia or some sort

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Speaker 2: of accusation. Just think about this very clearly. Our government

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Speaker 2: has every incentive in the world to whip up conspiracy

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: theories about Russia to keep the American population against them

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: so that we can continue to buy into their Ukraine

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Speaker 2: funding hoax, which they are dramatically unpopular and underwater with.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason that they would want to cover this up.

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Speaker 2: If it was even two percent true, they would say

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Speaker 2: it was true. Think about the other crap that they've

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Speaker 2: pushed on us, the Russian bounty story in Afghanistan. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can go on forever, but for some reason, this

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Speaker 2: one in particular. Yeah, that one they're covering up. We're

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Speaker 2: not even talking about debts, you know, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: alleged attacks. Another very clear sign about who are the

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Speaker 2: people who are very I guess rejoicing around this. Here

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Speaker 2: you have John Bolton saying that it's real and that

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Speaker 2: we need to get very serious about it. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen.

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Speaker 12: When I was a National security by I was briefed

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Speaker 12: on this.

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Speaker 2: I was very concerned about it.

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Speaker 12: I did then and do now think that there's very

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 12: likely some hostile adversary behavior here, whether it's Russia, China,

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Speaker 12: maybe somebody else, more than likely Russia. I don't think

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Speaker 12: the government, frankly, when I was there took it seriously enough.

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Speaker 12: I don't think they've taken it seriously enough since then.

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Speaker 12: I commend CBS for going after it. I think you

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Speaker 12: should continue to go after it too, because the danger

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Speaker 12: that the Russians or any adversary could actually perfect this

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Speaker 12: kind of weapon, the damage it could do to our troops,

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Speaker 12: to high level government officials in a time of crisis

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Speaker 12: is very very concerning, and I just think people swept.

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Speaker 10: It aside too quickly.

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Speaker 12: Some of the people who were affected actually were National

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Speaker 12: Security Council staff when I was there, and the idea

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Speaker 12: that these people had some kind of psychosomatic experience was

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01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 12: not credible to me. But we know that the Russians

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Speaker 12: have used directed energy efforts against our embassy in Moscow

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Speaker 12: out in years past. The speculation this time on sixty

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Speaker 12: minutes was it was acoustical devices. I think directored energy

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Speaker 12: is probably more likely.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, Crystal, If directed energy this is

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Speaker 2: the likely reason, it's definitely the Russians. Anytime I see

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Speaker 2: something like this, you just have to be deeply skeptical,

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Speaker 2: And I think the broader point to all of this

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Speaker 2: why do we even care is because certain siops that

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Speaker 2: the media deems credible of, you know, airing here basically

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Speaker 2: with very little shreds of evidence again on sixty minutes,

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Speaker 2: our premier television investigative review program for some reason. As

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Speaker 2: long as it's Russia, then you know, we can roll

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Speaker 2: it out there. We can even allege that the US government,

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Speaker 2: which has cooked up the most insane Russian conspiracies of

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Speaker 2: the last seven years, that they itself are in on

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Speaker 2: some grand Russian conspiracy. Yeah, it doesn't pass the smell test.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden called Vladimir Putin a war criminals administration's official

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: positions that they're committing genocide in Ukraine, thank you, but

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Speaker 1: he's going to be afraid to say that are using

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Speaker 1: some sort of directed energy or acoustic weapon or whatever

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Speaker 1: against our diplomats. It just doesn't really make sense. And

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Speaker 1: as I said, I genuinely listen to this thing with

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Speaker 1: an open mind. Okay, I am perfectly willing to be wrong,

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Speaker 1: and as someone who you know, I trust in respect

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Speaker 1: took it seriously and was like, really give it a

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Speaker 1: genuine listen. But the scraps of quote unquote evidence that

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Speaker 1: they offered just do not justify this really extraordinary conclusion.

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Speaker 1: And it is an extraordinary conclusion. I mean, as you said,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like something out of a spy novel. So

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Speaker 1: if you're going to assert something that is really extraordinary

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Speaker 1: and also potentially, you know, leads to escalation and provocation

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Speaker 1: and all of these sorts of things, you may have

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Speaker 1: some real stuff to back it up.

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Speaker 3: And they definitely did not in this instance.

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Speaker 1: And also they relied on the credibility of a number

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Speaker 1: of people who have direct financial interests or personal interests

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Speaker 1: in Havana syndrome being real and being you know, from

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Speaker 1: a foreign advert National Institutes of Health. In addition to

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Speaker 1: that Intel assessment that said, you know, we really don't

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Speaker 1: think that this came from a foreign adversary, there were

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Speaker 1: new studies that were just conducted by National Institutes of

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Speaker 1: Health NIH which failed to find any evidence of brain

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Speaker 1: injury in scans or blood markers of the diplomats and

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Speaker 1: spies who said they suffered symptoms of Heavna syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Now, this did contrast with.

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Speaker 1: There was a previous, earlier study done by University of

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that did claim to find some differences in the

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Speaker 1: brain scans. What NIH says is that they were able

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Speaker 1: to do a more comprehensive study, both in terms of

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Speaker 1: the brain scans that they had, but also in terms

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Speaker 1: of the control group more closely matched the demographic characteristics

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Speaker 1: of the people who were the sufferers. So they felt

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Speaker 1: more strongly about their conclusions. So, you know, the very

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Speaker 1: latest studies from the NIH, for what it's worth, say

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Speaker 1: we don't actually even see signs of injury in these individuals.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say like that they didn't suffer

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Speaker 1: something real, because even if it is stress induced psychosomatic,

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Speaker 1: that can still be experienced as a very real and

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Speaker 1: potentially debilitating event. So this is not to dismiss them

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Speaker 1: or say they're lying and they didn't really suffer anything whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: but to put all these instances together and to allege

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Speaker 1: one culprit and to craft this narrative which really, you know,

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Speaker 1: beggars belief is just it's just a way too many.

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Speaker 3: Bridges, too far, multiple bridges too far.

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Speaker 2: You are very you're a lot more charitable than I am.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say that. And yeah, I guess look you

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Speaker 2: if you have suffered from havana syndrome, and you can

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Speaker 2: prove it. You're welcome on the show anytime. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to you for sure. All right, let's move

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Speaker 2: on to the next part. This was brought about by

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Speaker 2: a side at the end of our last year.

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Speaker 3: He yeah, we weren't really well to cover this.

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Speaker 2: We're not planning it to cover it at all. No. Usually,

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Speaker 2: Richard Dawkins, who some of you may know, probably when

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Speaker 2: most famous atheists in the entire world, gave a very

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 2: interesting interview to the LBC, the London Broadcasting Corporation, which

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Speaker 2: has caused a lot of discussion about atheism, cultural Christianity, Islamophobia.

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Speaker 10: More.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what mister Dawkins had to say.

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Speaker 13: Church attendance is plummeting. But the building the erection of

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 13: mosques across Europe, I think six thousand are under construction,

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Speaker 13: and there are many more, I mean are being planned.

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Speaker 13: So do you think you regard that as a problem.

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Speaker 13: Do you think that matters?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 9: I do, really, I mean I might choose my words carefully.

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Speaker 9: I mean, if I had to choose between Christianity and Islam,

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Speaker 9: I choose Christianity every single time. I mean, it seems

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Speaker 9: to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a

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Speaker 9: way that I think Islam is not.

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Speaker 13: I think you're going to have to explain why you

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Speaker 13: say that, Professor Dawkins. Why is Islam profundtion? Well, the

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Speaker 13: way fundamentally not decent like Christianity.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I mean the way women refuted. I mean Christianity

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Speaker 9: is not great about that. He's had its problem as

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Speaker 9: female becas and female bishops and things. But there's an

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Speaker 9: active hostility to women which is promoted I think by

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Speaker 9: the holy books of Islam. I'm not talking about individual Muslims,

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01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 9: who of course are quite quite different, but the doctrines

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Speaker 9: of Islam, the Hadith and and the Quran. It's fundamentally

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Speaker 9: hostile to women, hostile to gaze. And I find that

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Speaker 9: I like to live in a culturally Christian country, although

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Speaker 9: I do not believe a single word of the Christian faith.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that last part that is what sit the

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Speaker 2: Internet on fire. What was interesting is that because we

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Speaker 2: live in parallel universes. On my timeline, I follow this

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01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: is on Twitter. Okay, it's just very reveal my own bias.

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 2: I follow a lot of right wing Christians in particular,

1549
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 2: just to keep my tabs, like what exactly is going on?

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01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: And a lot of them were attacking Dawkins. They're like, oh,

1551
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Speaker 2: he tore down Christianity and he advocated for secularism, and

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: now he's coming back and calling himself a cultural Christian.

1553
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: And I'll just say this, like I followed Richard Dawkins

1554
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 2: for a long time, was personal inspiration. I had my

1555
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: cringe atheist phase like anybody else. He was a young

1556
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: man on YouTube, had copies of The God Delusion and

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01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: gave him out to people. Read every book that the

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01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 2: man has literally ever written. At least they stopped ten

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Speaker 2: years ago. I don't know if he's written.

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Speaker 1: Anything saying science books two before God. Yeah, they were great, phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I think it's controversial. He I

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01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: think he created the word mimetic, like the word meme,

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01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 2: which eventually became meme online. That's again controversial in terms

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Speaker 2: of the attribution. Yeah, the attribution of the term. Let's

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Speaker 2: return to this. The reason I was annoyed by that

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Speaker 2: is because having read and listened to a lot of Dawkins,

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Speaker 2: even attended one of his lectures, we could put this

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Speaker 2: up there here on the screen, which I went back

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Speaker 2: and found is he's been calling himself a cultural Christian

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Speaker 2: here for quite a long time. And why I was

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01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: annoyed in terms of the Christian reaction to Dawkins is

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Speaker 2: that Dawkins has always said that he ascribes, as he

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01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:20,480
Speaker 2: points out here, a celebration of Judeo Christian type values,

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Speaker 2: but not in the actual text of the Bible and

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01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: of the religion of Christianity himself. Egalitarianism, equality, just the

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: general like the general respect of English common law, which

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01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: of course, you know, even atheists and secular people like

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01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: me can acknowledge comes from a Christian tradition. That's what

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Speaker 2: he meant by the term. So anyway, for me, watching

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Christian right attack Dawkins as somehow

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01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 2: being hypocritical, I mean, frankly, he's been saying stuff like

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Speaker 2: this for twenty somethings, probably before I was even born,

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Speaker 2: but at least in my adult lifetime, nothing that he

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01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: said was new anyway, I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: So the reaction from the left, I mean, there was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of commentary on the cultural Christian thing,

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Speaker 1: because it I mean, I understand why people are like

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Speaker 1: your whole thing is being an atheist. But now you're like, well, no,

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Speaker 1: actually this is my tribe. There is something about that.

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01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: They're like all right, dude, like you're just making a

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Speaker 1: full right turn now. But the part that I saw

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01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: more reaction to, and which I personally reacted more to,

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Speaker 1: were the comments about Islam, which again are actually not new.

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Speaker 2: They're not new at all from Dawkins.

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01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: Who has been smearing Islam and by extension, all followers

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Speaker 1: of that faith for quite a while. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I personally think it's outrageous and actually, to me, if

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Speaker 1: you're a serious intellectual and you know that you're you

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Speaker 1: consider yourself a cultural Christian whatever, that actually means you

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: should interrogate your own potential bias towards this ecosystem that

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Speaker 1: you grew up in and the you know, belief system

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Speaker 1: that has been sort of like humanized and made normal

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: to you. Because he clearly has a huge blind spot.

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Speaker 1: The problem is not any particular faith. The problem is

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01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: extremist in any faith. I think we can look throughout

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01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: history and see that, I mean Christianity. It was used

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Speaker 1: to justify slavery, it was used to justify Jim Crow. Right,

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01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: do I think those are true and faithful readings of Christianity. No,

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Speaker 1: But I mean I'm also not a religious believer at all,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not really the person to determine that, right.

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Speaker 1: But even if you look just right now, what's unfolding

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Speaker 1: in Gods, which I think is particularly why there was,

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Speaker 1: you know, a heightened sensitivity to the smearing of Islam

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Speaker 1: in this context, is you have Muslims who committed a

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Speaker 1: terror attack on October seventh, committed atrocities, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: You have a response from.

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Speaker 1: A Jewish state, and a lot of you know, led

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Speaker 1: by Jewish extremists who claimed to be doing this in

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Speaker 1: the name of you know, basically their religion, and who

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01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: have used and perverted and tortured that religious doctrine to

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Speaker 1: justify a genocide. And then if you go back one

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Speaker 1: step further, well, why do we have the creation of

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01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: these really? Straight to start with, it's because of the Holocaust,

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Speaker 1: and before that, because of pagrums throughout Europe, which were

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Speaker 1: by and large committed by Christians. So to think that

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Speaker 1: any religious faith has a monopoly on truth and justice,

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01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: or to think that any religious faith has a monopoly

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Speaker 1: on violence and hatred, is just I think incredibly ahistorical

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: and inaccurate. So, you know, a lot of what I

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Speaker 1: saw in my timeline, which is again, you know, I

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01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: think to give us some credit. Part of what makes

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01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: the show interesting is that we, you know, have to

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01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: expose each other to these different conversations that are happening

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Speaker 1: in different corners of the world, and the Internet was

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Speaker 1: a lot of like, actually, thank you Richard Dowkins for

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01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: confirming what we suspected about your actually ideological worldview based

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Speaker 1: on your previous comments, and by extension, what others who

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01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: were sort of in this fervent new atheist camp were

1639
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: really about at the time.

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Speaker 2: See this is where look, I guess it's time to

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01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: piss off some of the Palestinian viewers here. I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: What I think Dawkins is trying to talk about is

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Speaker 2: that if we look at majority Islamic countries and particularly

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Speaker 2: ones ruled by Islamic deocracy, I mean, look, I've lived

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01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,799
Speaker 2: under Islamic deocracy in the state of Qatar. I wouldn't

1646
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,839
Speaker 2: recommend it. I don't think it's a good way of living.

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Speaker 2: Some of that is rooted in the faith of Islam.

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Speaker 2: How do I think that individual Muslims, as Dawkins was saying,

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Speaker 2: are bad. No, absolutely, I don't believe that in for

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Speaker 2: any individual person. I do believe that the application of

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01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 2: said theocratic like law on people is very counter to

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Speaker 2: a lot of the things that we value here in

1653
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: the West, So for example, egalitarianism, equality, the treatment of women.

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Speaker 2: I mean personally, I'm repulsed by it. Like whenever I'm

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East and I see for women shrouded

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Speaker 2: in a burka walking ten paces behind their husband, I

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01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 2: think it's disgusting. I know that they have no rights.

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Speaker 2: In India, for example, where my family's from. This has

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Speaker 2: been a huge tension where India has effectively an English

1660
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: common law system. But then you have two hundred million

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Speaker 2: or some Muslims who want to or at least some

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: want to live with their ability. This was a huge

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Speaker 2: controversy about the ability to divorce their wives by saying

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Speaker 2: that they divorced them as that required in Sharia law.

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Speaker 2: And it comes into major tension because then they're saying

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Speaker 2: that it's discrimination if you don't allow that. Whenever you're

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Speaker 2: trying to have equal application and protection of the law.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying individual Muslims are bad. I would

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Speaker 2: never say that about anybody. I think that extreme interpretations,

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Speaker 2: or I would more put it this way. I would

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01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 2: never want to live under Christian theocracy. Got a taste

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Speaker 2: of it growing up in college station. I definitely wouldn't

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Speaker 2: want to live in Muslim theocracy. Got a taste of

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Speaker 2: that as well. And I in general, you know, like

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Speaker 2: and respect places places like Thailand, I think, India, to

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01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: some extent, Japan and others which have non Western interpretations

1677
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: and or worldviews in their governance that when you combined

1678
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: with English common law and some Judeo Christian values and influence,

1679
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: you come to more of an equal application and understanding

1680
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Speaker 2: of the laws.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's where I will defend him a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what you're saying is different than what he

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01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: said because he so secularism. As you're laying out the

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, ideal of the American model of you know,

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Speaker 1: freedom of religion and we're not going.

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Speaker 3: To have a theocracy.

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Speaker 1: That very clearly to me is the way to go,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, if we were ruled by the

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Speaker 1: UH and we had an actual Christian theocracy with you know,

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Speaker 1: the minority of real Christian fundamentalists in charge, how do.

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Speaker 3: They feel about gay people?

1693
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: Right?

1694
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: What would that life look like for them? How do

1695
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: they feel about women and women's rights? What would life

1696
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: look like for women? Here we can see with you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a conversation yesterday about ultra Orthodox Jews within Israel,

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01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: and you know, Israel is moving more and more to

1699
01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: being this overt pretty extreme religious theocrime government. That's a

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01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: real divide that is unfolding right now in real time

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: in Israel. I wouldn't want to live under that either,

1702
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right, I don't want to live under

1703
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: a Muslim theocracy either. But to you know, point to

1704
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: this one faith and say, oh, this is the bad

1705
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: one and Christianity is the good one. I just like

1706
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: I said, I think if you take any even take

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01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 1: your religion out of it, if you take any fervently

1708
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: held ideological belief system, someone is going to pervert it

1709
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: to do horrific things. We've seen this throughout history. But

1710
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: religion is a particularly potent one. And perhaps my view

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01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,839
Speaker 1: of this is part of why originally I like Twkins,

1712
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: and you know, I like the way that he laid

1713
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: out these arguments. Religion is so potent because the minute

1714
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: that you see Okay, number one, these people who share

1715
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: my belief these are the tribe, These are the people

1716
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: who really count, really matter, and God is on our side.

1717
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: The things that can be used to justify are horrifying.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I keep bringing up the example of

1719
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: Israel Gaza because obviously this is you know, top of

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Speaker 1: mind for me and many people around the world right now.

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: But just think about you have these settlers in the

1722
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: West Bank who truly believe that the righteous and holy

1723
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: thing to do is to steal the land of Palestinians,

1724
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 1: potentially by force and if necessary, murder them. They believe

1725
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 1: that they are righteously doing God's will when they do.

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01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Just listen to that, Daniella Weiss, that settler activists. Sure

1727
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: she thinks she is righteous and absolutely moral. Again, no

1728
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: one faith has a monopoly on being twisted and perverted

1729
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 1: to justify things that in any other sort of moral

1730
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: context you could see clearly that this is wrong, period,

1731
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:52,839
Speaker 1: end of story.

1732
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my problem with you.

1733
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: The problem is that what he's really referring to, and

1734
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: this is true if we look at the data, is

1735
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: that most Muslims are far more observant at least and

1736
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: also in a Western context when we're talking about the mixing,

1737
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: especially in Europe, than they are let's say, secular Christians

1738
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 2: in the West. And so when you have fundamentalists as

1739
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Islam brush up against Western democratic values, it leads to

1740
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: a lot of tension. I totally agree in terms of

1741
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 2: extremist interpretations of all of that. But it is a

1742
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: legitimate question as to wire should this be tolerable and acceptable?

1743
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: But I have a Western style democracy.

1744
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: Even that I want to dig into a little bit

1745
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: because why is it that you have such you know,

1746
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: fervently held beliefs, Because part of that story is us

1747
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: meddling in the region that went against any sort of

1748
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, secular nationalism, had any sort of tie into

1749
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union or communism or socialism we crushed. I mean,

1750
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: how many fundamentalists Islamic movements did we back inside with.

1751
01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 3: Throughout the region.

1752
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: But of course, think about how we prop up the

1753
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: Saudi regime. I mean, so much of what is unfolding

1754
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 1: in the Middle East right now is a result of

1755
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, our meddling and our policy over years and

1756
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: years and years. So I think to you know, remove

1757
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: us from the situation. That's where this gets to me,

1758
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: and I'm not putting this on you, but you know,

1759
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 1: I listen to comments from Sam Harris or J. Dawkins

1760
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: and others. It gets to this place of basically insinuating,

1761
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: if not outright saying.

1762
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 3: Well, these people are just barbarians. They're just uncivilized.

1763
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: That's part of the justification that's being used right now

1764
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: to justify this genocide of Palestinians that's unfolding in Gaza.

1765
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: Netnyahu's saying we are the children of the light and

1766
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: they are the Sun's children of the darkness. This is

1767
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: a war for civilization, et cetera. It ends up resulting

1768
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: in this argument that they are just inherently inferior barbaric people,

1769
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: and I think that is absolutely repulsible.

1770
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't support that, but I don't think it's America's

1771
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 2: fault that Saudi Arabians cut people's head off in the street.

1772
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's their regime. That's not our I mean,

1773
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 2: if anything, actually it's their own people that want something

1774
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: like that. I don't want to live there, and I

1775
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 2: definitely don't want any of that that's over here. And look,

1776
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: it's not America's fault that Muslims in India have, for example,

1777
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,879
Speaker 2: have become way more observant as a kind of basically

1778
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 2: as you've had Hindu nationalism on the rise. These are natural,

1779
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, inherent tensions when they run up against each

1780
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: other for real. Frankly, it's just a battle of values.

1781
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 2: It's like, what do we actually want? What do we

1782
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: have evilack application of the law? Should we not like

1783
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: should we allow people to marry three people because their

1784
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: religion says though I think no, but they say yes.

1785
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those where I don't think

1786
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: that's on America. And if you look, why does Saudi

1787
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 2: have the regime they have? Okay, but why does the

1788
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 2: run how the regime they have?

1789
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,520
Speaker 1: Why does the Taliban have power in Afghanistan?

1790
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 3: We have nothing to do with that.

1791
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1792
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 3: We have just allowed.

1793
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: Free and fair elections and self determination throughout the region.

1794
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 2: Come on, if they had free and fair elections, I

1795
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 2: guarantee you as the lists would still win in the

1796
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 2: entire And by the way, I don't care if they

1797
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 2: want to be Muslim and they want to rule under

1798
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 2: theocratic rule, be my guest. I'm talking about how we

1799
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: govern ourselves. I don't give a shit what they do

1800
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 2: over there at the end of the day. But really

1801
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: what it is is that what I think Dawkins is

1802
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 2: talking about, and what is a fair conversation is about

1803
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 2: here what we tolerate, what we think is acceptable. And

1804
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 2: I would stand what I think what Dawkins is trying

1805
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 2: to say. For a Judeo Christian influence, English common law egalitarianism,

1806
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,839
Speaker 2: which is what I believe in, that is absolutely counter

1807
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: to Christian theocracy. Luckily that is mostly on the decline

1808
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 2: here in this country. Luckily we don't have the same

1809
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 2: Jewish level. I guess here in the US in terms

1810
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 2: of Orthodox Judaism is taking over the entire culture. But

1811
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: that is not necessarily the case of majority Muslim countries

1812
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,520
Speaker 2: that are all across the world, Indonesia, for example, Malaysia,

1813
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: any of these places, there's high levels of diversity and others,

1814
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: but there are what I think are troubling ways that

1815
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: they do. He's right, I mean, which they treat women

1816
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 2: or in terms of how they have different views of

1817
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: what homosexuality or any of this. I think it's abhorn

1818
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: and I think it's bad WHI and I don't think

1819
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 2: we should have it here.

1820
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Doesn't just come from Islam. I mean again, if you

1821
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: look at what Christians, like evangelical fundamentalists, Christians believe, it

1822
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: would not be good life for gay people to live

1823
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: under that sort of regime. Which is why to me,

1824
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: you're you're wanting to see give Dawkins the most.

1825
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 3: Charitable interpretation, and that's not fair.

1826
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 2: I like it.

1827
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fair, you know, to give him the

1828
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: best faith reading. But you're also reading into his comments

1829
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: a lot of things that he didn't say, because he

1830
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: didn't talk about, you know, a secularism and universalism, he

1831
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: didn't talk about common law or any of these things.

1832
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Well, he's just saying he said.

1833
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: Very blatantly that you know, new mass are a problem,

1834
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: but new churches aren't. He said that Christianity is a

1835
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: fundamentally decent religion and Islam is not. I think that

1836
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: is total bullshit. I think it's xenophobic. I think it's islamophobic.

1837
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I think that it is you know, completely at odds

1838
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: with the ideas. But really that the best thing is

1839
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: to have actual universal values, not the sort of like

1840
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: moral equivalents. Universal values and secularism where yes, people's religions

1841
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 1: are respected and they have a right and you know,

1842
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,520
Speaker 1: freedom to religion, but also within the confines of respecting

1843
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,839
Speaker 1: and acknowledging basic human rights.

1844
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 3: And you know, as I.

1845
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: Said before, any religion taken to an extreme place, yes,

1846
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and in ugliness can end. In ugliness can be easily perverted.

1847
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: And you know, to give any one of these fates

1848
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the past for that, I think is I just.

1849
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 3: Think is wrong.

1850
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 2: What I'm drawing from is just his look. Nobody can

1851
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 2: express themselves properly in a two and a half minute

1852
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 2: clip from LBC. I'm drawing from his books what he

1853
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 2: has put out there in longer interpretations. In general, if

1854
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: you are going to see atheists and others people who

1855
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 2: talk and debate some of these subjects, they're going to

1856
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 2: bring up a lot of what I am now. I

1857
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 2: mean a lot of Christians would be very upset. They

1858
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 2: would say, is that you're you owe galitarianism, you know,

1859
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 2: to Judaeo Christianity, And I would say, that's bullshit. You

1860
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: can look at countries like India or Japan or Korea

1861
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 2: anywhere else that don't have majority Christian populations. A Thailand

1862
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 2: actually is a country that I truly love deeply. Buddhist culture,

1863
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 2: lots of egalitarianism, no Christian influence, so I can give

1864
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: the counter two. I'm only bringing in what I think

1865
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 2: he is best trying to say, and I'm giving him

1866
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 2: charity because I also think that he's done a lot

1867
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: of good in this world. So it opened up a

1868
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 2: lot of people's eyes.

1869
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: I will steal from a medi Hassan's commentary on this,

1870
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: where he said, you know, if you just swap in

1871
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: Judaism for Islam in these comments, imagine the reaction if

1872
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 1: he said that Judaism is not a fundamentally decent religion.

1873
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 3: There would be a massive and.

1874
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Correct reaction against those comments because they would correctly be seen,

1875
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: I think as anti Semitic. But Islamophobia is much more accepted, frankly,

1876
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: and is much more more commonplace worldview in the West,

1877
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: which again is part of how this genocide in Gaza

1878
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: has been justifying. And you see it very nakedly, that

1879
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: case made very nakedly in certain instances, certainly from the

1880
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: net Yahoo government, but also from many Americans who see

1881
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: things through that lens.

1882
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 2: I think it may be true, certainly that nine to

1883
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 2: eleven and the lasting impacts have colored and have changed.

1884
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 2: I guess I just don't want to get away from

1885
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 2: legitimate conversations about, you know, about rubbing up against Western

1886
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 2: democratic values and what we think is acceptable or not

1887
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 2: in our own cultures, because ultimately that's what I care

1888
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 2: about it. I don't really care what these people do in

1889
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 2: their own time and in their own lands, but I

1890
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 2: do really care whenever it brushes up here, and I

1891
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 2: do see often a very like permissive nature. Unfortunately, but

1892
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 2: I think elements of the American left when they don't

1893
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 2: really grapple with some of the actual tenets of let's say,

1894
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, of like widespread, like deeply fundamentalist Islamic values,

1895
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about immigration. Which is why I

1896
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: guess I'm standing for Dawkins in this entire purpose is

1897
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 2: like I believe very much in being able to scrutinize,

1898
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: anti debate what is acceptable in US, specifically in the

1899
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 2: US and also in the West, what we want and

1900
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 2: what we don't want to encourage, and what we think

1901
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 2: should be acceptable or not, as opposed to let's say,

1902
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,560
Speaker 2: trying to litigate how people should be treated in Afghanistan,

1903
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: that's Afghanistan's problem. Does that make sense in terms of

1904
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 2: what I'm.

1905
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 3: Saying would be Afghanistan's problem? If we hadn't.

1906
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 2: Okay, but we're not there now. Now they can do

1907
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,640
Speaker 2: whatever they want, and apparently.

1908
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, no harm, no fow, You're good to go,

1909
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: and we had no impact.

1910
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 3: There is.

1911
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 2: Value the power. We're in the nineties too, they were

1912
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 2: a popular government, Let's be honest, and nobody wants to

1913
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: admit this. It's not just America's fault. They liked it.

1914
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 2: They like in many cases, the Taliban was enforcing their

1915
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: own beliefs, at least in some of these regions. I mean,

1916
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 2: at a certain point, what are we supposed to do

1917
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 2: about that?

1918
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: Listen, Yeah, I don't want to relitigate the entire history

1919
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: of US involvement in the Middle East, but I think

1920
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: suffice it to say that, you know, we certainly played

1921
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: a significant role in creating some of the backlash and

1922
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: actively supporting some of these extremist movements that have come

1923
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: to power in various parts of the region.

1924
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 2: So, in any truths get elected there in Egypt.

1925
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: Let's acknowledge that the ideal situation that I think we

1926
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: and I wish Professor Dawkins there was speaking to was secularism,

1927
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: universal human rights, and values of the type that we

1928
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 1: see being trampled right now, certainly with Muslims in the Middle.

1929
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 2: East, you know, I'm going to reach out to them.

1930
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Speaker 7: I want to talk to them.

1931
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, good luck with that.

1932
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Speaker 1: Journalists have now been able to access Alshifa Hospital following

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Speaker 1: Israel's latest assault on that complex, and the scenes of

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Speaker 1: devastation and carnage are that wrenching. This was Israel's second

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Speaker 1: major raid on Shifa. This time they claimed it was

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Speaker 1: necessary because Hamas was reconstituting itself in the north and

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Speaker 1: hiding in the already damaged hospital complex. This is frankly

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Speaker 1: embarrassing for Israel if it was true, and speaks to

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Speaker 1: the failure of their alleged war goals. They destroyed Gaza

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Speaker 1: mascer tens of thousands of civilians, but Hamas is still

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Speaker 1: able to regroup in northern Gaza. But is anything the

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Speaker 1: Israeli government is claiming about Shifa even true given their

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Speaker 1: history a brazen lies in general, and specifically a history

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Speaker 1: of lying about this particular hospital. I'm gonna break down

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Speaker 1: for you everything we know about what appears to have

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Speaker 1: been a massacre on a historic scale in one of

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Speaker 1: the most sensitive places you can possibly imagine a hospital

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Speaker 1: meant to care for the sick has instead been transformed

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Speaker 1: into a slaughterhouse. So first a little bit of background.

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Speaker 1: One of the fiercest early propaganda wars in Israel's war

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Speaker 1: on Gaza came in the early weeks when they launched

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Speaker 1: an all out pr blitz to justify the storming of

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Speaker 1: Al Shifa Hospital complex. Net Yahoo led a multi media

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Speaker 1: presentation asserting that Hamasa build a doctor Evil style layer

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Speaker 1: underneath of this hospital, a command and control node or

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Speaker 1: even now, he claimed they were operating and where they

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Speaker 1: expected to be able to locate hostages once they went in.

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Speaker 1: The US government provided a major propaganda assist in this operations,

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Speaker 1: being reporters aboard Air Force One. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby

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Speaker 1: said quote, I can confirm for you that we have

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Speaker 1: information that Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jahad used some

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Speaker 1: hospitals in the Gaza Strip, including Al Shifah, and tunnels

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Speaker 1: underneath them, to conceal and to support their military operations

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Speaker 1: and to hold hostages. Hamas and the Palestinian Palestinian Islamic

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Speaker 1: judhad pig members operate a command and control node from Al.

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Speaker 3: Shifa in Gaza. City.

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Speaker 1: They have stored weapons there, and they're prepared to respond

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Speaker 1: to an Israeli military operation against that facility. Kirby went

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Speaker 1: on to clarify this was not just based courting him

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Speaker 1: on Israeli intelligence, but was also based on our own

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Speaker 1: US intelligence. Within hours of this green light from their

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Speaker 1: American benefactors, the IDF stormed the complex. When they did,

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Speaker 1: there was no firefight with embedded Hamas fighters, as we

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Speaker 1: were led to believe. There were no hostages held under

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Speaker 1: the complexes, was also claimed, and the Israelis never came

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Speaker 1: cold loose to proving their wild claims about a Hamas

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Speaker 1: command and control node, as illustrated by their fanciful computer animations.

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Speaker 1: What's more, we've now learned from Democratic Senator Chris Van

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Speaker 1: Holland that Kirby and Biden they were lying about what

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Speaker 1: our own intel actually showed. In recent comments the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: the Senator, who is a key Biden ally, by the way,

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Speaker 1: delicately said there was a quote disconnect between the administration's

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Speaker 1: public statements and the classified findings, noting important and subtle differences.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you don't say.

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Speaker 1: At least forty patients died in that raid, including the

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Speaker 1: most helpless and innocent people imaginable for premature babies, died

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Speaker 1: in that raid. Was no accident that Shifa was chosen

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Speaker 1: for this propaganda blitz and raid, as it was vital

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Speaker 1: to Israel for a number of reasons. First because it's

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Speaker 1: the largest hospital in the entire Gaza strip. If Shifa

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Speaker 1: could be violated, then any other medical complex would be

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Speaker 1: fair game. And second because Shifa was a center of

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Speaker 1: civilian life in Gaza City, a city that was being

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Speaker 1: systematically sacked by the IDF. Attack Shifa and no part

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Speaker 1: of civilian life is untouchable. Attack Shifa and there will

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Speaker 1: be nothing left for Palestinians to return to in northern Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, after Shifa, other hospital raids, attacks on ambulances,

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Speaker 1: medical clinics, and the like, they were barely remarked upon

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Speaker 1: in the media. Once Israel got away with this raid

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Speaker 1: on the most important medical complex in all of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: they then operated with impunity with regards to the rest.

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Speaker 1: According to Euromed Monitor, Israel is now attacked two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty six health care facilities, including twenty eight hospitals.

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Speaker 1: They've killed hundreds of doctors, injured hundreds more. I'll remind

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Speaker 1: you that hospitals are supposed to be completely off limits

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Speaker 1: in war, except in very rare circumstances. That, of course,

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Speaker 1: has served as no barrier for Israel, or for the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration for that matter. So that's the background here.

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Speaker 1: Let's turn now to what we know about this latest

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Speaker 1: two week raid on Shifa.

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Speaker 3: Complex.

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Speaker 1: Reports that trickled down during the onslaught were harrowing journalists

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Speaker 1: who were seeking to cover the operation. They were arrested,

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Speaker 1: they were stripped naked, they were blindfolded, interrogated and assaulted.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it up to you to divine the reason

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Speaker 1: why journalists seeking to cover idea of actions at Chifa

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Speaker 1: were targeted. In particular, doctors and other medical professionals received

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Speaker 1: very similar treatment. In fact, the Gods of Health Ministry

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Speaker 1: reports that five doctors were ultimately killed by Israel over

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Speaker 1: the course of this rate. Journalists were able to confirm

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Speaker 1: multiple instances of Palestinians attempting to flee the area, waving

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Speaker 1: white flags and still fired on by Israeli tanks Israeli guns.

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Speaker 1: But during the raid, as we all feared the worst,

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Speaker 1: we had little insight into what was actually unfolding on

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Speaker 1: the hospital grounds. Once Israeli forces withdrew, the government issued

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Speaker 1: celebratory declarations claiming that Israel had killed the bad guys

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Speaker 1: and save the innocence. Here's how former Israeli Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: of Tully Bennett described the operation, quote amazing battlefield achievement.

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Speaker 1: The IDF is just completed a two week operation on

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Speaker 1: a Hamas command center that Hamas embedded within the Shifa

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Speaker 1: Medical Center. Hamas use staff and patients as human shields

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Speaker 1: in order to cause maximum civilian casualties as to create

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Speaker 1: more criticism and pressure on Israel. The results are remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Six thousand civilians were evacuated by the IDF to keep

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Speaker 1: them safe. Two hundred Hamas terrorists were killed. Five hundred

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Speaker 1: Hamas terrorists have been captured. No civilian was killed, not one,

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Speaker 1: he says. It goes on to finish, I'm proud to

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Speaker 1: be Israeli and proud of the IDF. A beacon of light,

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Speaker 1: an amazing battlefield achievement. No civilians killed, beacon of light.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, Let's see the results of these IDF beacons

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Speaker 1: of light, shall we. Here is what Al Shifa, the

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Speaker 1: largest hospital in all of Gaza, looks like now as

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Speaker 1: you can see it is utterly destroyed. It no longer

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Speaker 1: exists as a medical facility. Now I know, Gaza can

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Speaker 1: feel foreign, it can feel far away. Imagine this was

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Speaker 1: the hospital in your town, maybe where you were born,

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Speaker 1: or maybe where your children were born. Imagine it was

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Speaker 1: the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins. It's actually

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Speaker 1: so much more central than those famous hospitals because it

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Speaker 1: comprise a full thirty percent of all of the healthcare

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Speaker 1: delivery in Gaza. Now it is burned out, gutted, reduced

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Speaker 1: to rubble. Before and after satellite images show you the

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Speaker 1: absolute scale and totality of the destruction, both of Alshifa

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Speaker 1: and of everything around it. On the left, you can

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Speaker 1: see Alshifa from two years ago, looks like the overhead

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Speaker 1: in American city streets with bustling traffic. Large medical complex

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Speaker 1: are outed by smaller, likely residential apartment looking buildings. On

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Speaker 1: the right, you see Shifa now gone, or the highways, courtyards,

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Speaker 1: parking lots, and sidewalks replaced with dirt that was turned

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Speaker 1: up everywhere after armored bulldozers plowed up the ground. What

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Speaker 1: few trees remain appear charred or dead. Many of the

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Speaker 1: surrounding buildings are just gone. They're flattened. Reportedly, more than

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Speaker 1: a thousand houses in the area were demolished, and Shifa

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Speaker 1: itself is damaged, unrecognizable, not salvagable. Al Jazeera's Ismael al

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Speaker 1: Ghoul attempted to capture the feeling on the ground. He said, quote,

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Speaker 1: there is no life here. The complex is in ruins

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Speaker 1: and cannot be revived. That alone should shock us. But

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Speaker 1: the destruction of this physical place, formerly a place of

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Speaker 1: healing and center of life, is nothing compared to what

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Speaker 1: we're learning now about the human carnage. According a human

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Speaker 1: rights organization EUROMED monitor, the Israeli Army carried out a massive,

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Speaker 1: shockingly horrific military operation in Al Chifa Medical Complex in

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Speaker 1: Gaza City over the course of the past two weeks.

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Speaker 1: According to them, indiscriminately targeting and attacking Palestinians regardless of

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Speaker 1: their civilian status, professional standing, gender, age, or health condition.

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Speaker 3: They continue quote.

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Speaker 1: Though the exact number of casualties from the atrocity is

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Speaker 1: still unknown, preliminary reports suggests that over fifteen hundred Palestinians

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Speaker 1: have been killed, injured, or are reted missing as a

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Speaker 1: result of the massacre at Alshifa, with women and children

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Speaker 1: making up half of the casualties that go on to say,

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Speaker 1: euromed Monitor is able to confirm from its initial investigation

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Speaker 1: and testimonies that hundreds of dead bodies, including some burden

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Speaker 1: others with their heads and limbs severed, have been discovered

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Speaker 1: both inside Al Chifa Medical complex and in the hospitals

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Speaker 1: surrounding area end quote. This is an almost unimaginable toll. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: according to the World Health Organization, twenty one patients died

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Speaker 1: during this latest siege of Al Shifa. Gruesome videos from

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Speaker 1: the scene, which I've chosen not to show you, are

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Speaker 1: consistent with this horrific assessment. The videos show burned, zip tied, decomposing,

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Speaker 1: crushed bodies strewn about the hospital courtyard. Some of the

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Speaker 1: bodies are clearly those of children, though they are destroyed

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Speaker 1: beyond any recognition. Journalists on the ground report stray dogs

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Speaker 1: showing on the remains in an overpowering scent of death.

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Speaker 1: Some eyewitnesses and journalists have suggested that some of the

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Speaker 1: visible human remains may also be from previous temper graves

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Speaker 1: that were duga and desecrated as part of this operation.

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Speaker 1: A CNN journalist on the ground described the scene as

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Speaker 1: a quote horror movie. Bulldozers, they say, crushed bodies and

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Speaker 1: people everywhere around and in the yard of the hospital.

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Speaker 1: The surrounding area was not spared either. According to this

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Speaker 1: journalist quote, we found entire families dead and their bodies

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Speaker 1: are decomposed in houses around the hospital. Entire families killed

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Speaker 1: by Israel. According to CNN, a doctor affiliated with Doctors

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Speaker 1: Bound Borders who had previously volunteered in Gaza, had this

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Speaker 1: to say of the toll on civilians and on medical

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Speaker 1: personnel in particular.

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Speaker 11: Doctor, I look that the picture plane is one of devastation.

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Speaker 11: You'll know that the Israeli militaries say that they have

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Speaker 11: killed and detained hundreds of militants within the Alshifa complex.

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Speaker 11: Do you know if Hamas were there and were fighting

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Speaker 11: with the Israelers.

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Speaker 14: I am just shocked that we're still having this conversation.

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Speaker 14: They executed tens of people point blank, including one of

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Speaker 14: our colleagues, doctor Ahmad Lerati, who's a very experienced plastic surgeon.

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Speaker 14: Him and his mother, who's also a physician. They executed

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Speaker 14: people point blank, and including many of our colleagues who've

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Speaker 14: been detained. Now we haven't heard back from them.

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Speaker 2: Previous students of.

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Speaker 14: Mine detained, young doctors detained. We don't know if they're

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Speaker 14: dead or alive. They have been gone for over one

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Speaker 14: hundred days.

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Speaker 3: So to say that this is a.

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Speaker 14: Strategic targeting of Hamas is an insult to our intellect

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Speaker 14: and our humanity. This is this is a destruction of

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Speaker 14: people who heal. This is a direct targeting of healthcare workers.

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Speaker 14: I just want to paint a very brief picture of

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Speaker 14: what healthcare workers are telling me there.

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Speaker 3: They're saying that when they leave the.

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Speaker 14: Hospital, civilians, give them civilian clothing because wearing scrubs is

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Speaker 14: sticking a target sticker.

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Speaker 3: On their back.

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Speaker 14: That is how systematically healthcare has being targeted. And frankly,

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Speaker 14: you know in the last twenty four hours, what we've

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Speaker 14: seen from at Schiffel Hospital, what we've seen from at

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Speaker 14: Axa Hospital, and what I worry is coming to the

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Speaker 14: remaining hospitals of the Gaza strip because it has been

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Speaker 14: the pattern and we will not ignore it is a

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Speaker 14: direct and systematic targeting of healthcare that is unjustifiable.

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Speaker 1: So Shifa is destroyed, hundreds are reportedly dead, and what

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Speaker 1: few patients remain at the destroyed complex are in desperate circumstances,

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Speaker 1: suffering malnutrition and dehydration, with some reports indicating that six

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Speaker 1: people are sharing a single.

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Speaker 3: Bottle of water per day. It will take.

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Speaker 1: Weeks to know the scale and specifics of the slaughter.

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Speaker 1: If we ever do, we already know more than enough

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Speaker 1: to say that this intentional destruction of the Gaza health

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Speaker 1: system is a war crime, That if American politicians saw

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Speaker 1: Russia conducting themselves in the exact same manner, they would

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Speaker 1: say it was a war crime. That thestruction of the

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Speaker 1: health system is consistent with the commission of a genocide,

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Speaker 1: That innocence, including doctors, women and children were slaughtered. And

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Speaker 1: we know that the bidaministration's decision to back the initial

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01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: propaganda campaign and to lie about our own intelligence in

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Speaker 1: order to support the raid itself has paved the way

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Speaker 1: to this fresh wore for Joe Biden regards to Israel,

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Speaker 1: there are no red lines, only green lights.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 1: So have you been following Israel's assault on Gaza. You

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Speaker 1: may have seen some viral clips of some activists on

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Speaker 1: Capitol Hill demanding answers from members of Congress.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 7: Support Israel forever, stay your ally even though they commit.

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Speaker 4: Explain.

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Speaker 8: Let me tell you a statistic Israel will exist, the

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Speaker 8: Jewish state will exist.

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Speaker 3: That's not a statistation, and that is for.

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Speaker 12: To do what.

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Speaker 2: I will always murder Israel children.

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Speaker 10: And you can tell the Palestinians and I will.

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01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 7: Tell you never support you.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you to your.

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Speaker 7: Good we will support Israel forever. You know you are comfortable.

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01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 7: This guy just said, goode Israel.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on? Get out of my way?

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Speaker 2: Are you afraid?

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01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:32,839
Speaker 3: Why are your mom.

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Speaker 2: You we're trying.

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Speaker 7: To kill You're killing Palestinians.

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Speaker 15: A lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: So the gentleman that you saw there in those clips

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Speaker 1: demanding some answers, having some fierce interactions, there is Motaz Salem.

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Speaker 1: He is a pulsing American activist and he is our

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Speaker 1: guest today. Great to have you, Motas welcome.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, talk to us about just what have

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01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: you been up to, what has led you to, you know,

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01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: sort of hang out in the halls of Capitol Hill

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01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: and confront whoever comes across your radar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: So I'm Palestinian American myself. I'm from Graza. I have

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Speaker 15: a lot of family in Grazza. And so since October seventh,

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Speaker 15: you know, I on the show, you cover a lot

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Speaker 15: how Israel's response has been. It's been unconsidable, unprecedented, and

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Speaker 15: you know, there's genocide, weaponized starvation, and I personally have

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Speaker 15: lost over one hundred family members in my extended family,

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Speaker 15: some of my favorite cousins in the world, such as

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Speaker 15: you know Iman for example, She's my cousin who her

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01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,799
Speaker 15: her husband, and her four kids in one air strike.

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Speaker 7: They were martyred. And so that's just one example of it.

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Speaker 15: And I think just dealing with all of that while

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01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 15: all so being in DC and being like in grad

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Speaker 15: school or just in in the spaces here and seeing just.

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Speaker 7: I felt at first powerless.

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Speaker 15: But then after seeing Code Pink and seeing media Benjamin

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01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 15: as well, going every day to confront these people head on,

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Speaker 15: I was really interested in doing it, and so I

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Speaker 15: joined them one day and it's literally like you can

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Speaker 15: join us ten am every day at Rayburn Cafeteria.

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Speaker 7: And I at first was very shocked.

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Speaker 15: To you that that's a possibility, even like I remember

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Speaker 15: going the first day we met actually in the in

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Speaker 15: the Rustle building and I'm I'm Arab, So going into

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01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 15: any government building with like security and stuff is super

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Speaker 15: nerve wracking, not.

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Speaker 3: A comfortable experience, right, No.

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Speaker 7: No it's not. It's not where I'd like to be.

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Speaker 15: But you just walk in, which was very shocking to

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Speaker 15: me that you literally just like walk in and you're

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Speaker 15: just there. And we from that day, like we visited

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Speaker 15: a whole bunch of offices, and yeah, I just I

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Speaker 15: wanted to do.

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Speaker 7: Something about it.

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Speaker 15: I have the privilege of being in DC here, you know,

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Speaker 15: just fifteen twenty minutes away from Congress at all times,

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Speaker 15: and so I said, you know enough just like looking

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Speaker 15: at the screen, listening to podcasts and just being so

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Speaker 15: upset about it, like, let's actually try to do something

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Speaker 15: with what we have.

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Speaker 1: Motell's I'm profoundly sorry for your loss, which is incalculable.

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Speaker 3: Do you find that.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know a lot of other Pelstonian Americans

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Speaker 1: here in DC and probably around the country, is your

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01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 1: loss commesarate? Are they suffering similar losses of family members

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Speaker 1: who've been killed by the IDF in Gaza.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I would say my story is very very common actually,

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Speaker 15: because most people you talk to will tell you that

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Speaker 15: they've lost numerous humor family members and the the the

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Speaker 15: way that Israel has conducted this genocide. Like anyone you

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Speaker 15: ask in Palestine, even if they're from the West Bank,

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Speaker 15: like they'll know someone who's from Razza who has lost someone.

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Speaker 7: Everyone's lost someone and Guzza everyone.

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Speaker 15: I mean, if if for me personally, like when I

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Speaker 15: first got a list of like my dad literally sent

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Speaker 15: me a list of every name of my cousins who

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Speaker 15: died or aunts, uncles, and it's you know, you don't

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Speaker 15: even know how to process it because it's just like

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Speaker 15: names on a page, and there's so many of them,

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Speaker 15: and you know some of them as close to some

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Speaker 15: of them.

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Speaker 7: I didn't really know that well. But I would say

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Speaker 7: it's very common.

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Speaker 15: Actually, this has pretty much been a universal experience, especially

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Speaker 15: if you're from Guzza.

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Speaker 1: Have you been able to track all of the loved

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Speaker 1: ones that you have lost or are there some family

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Speaker 1: members that you aren't sure of their status at this point?

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Speaker 15: For I mean, whenever I tell people that, will I

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Speaker 15: always say so far, like I've lost over one hundreds

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Speaker 15: so far, because you know, there's still people under the

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Speaker 15: rubble that we don't know, We don't necessarily have a

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Speaker 15: record of their death. And I actually found out last

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Speaker 15: week about forty more members that had been murdered by

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Speaker 15: the Israeli state because we at first were not able

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Speaker 15: to track down the names and the documents. And it's

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Speaker 15: actually like a very rigorous process too that the Health

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Speaker 15: Ministry and as goes through in order to sort of

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Speaker 15: verify the individual verify their files. But a lot of

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Speaker 15: the files are missing too because they've targeted all these

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Speaker 15: sort of government institutions. Entire families wiped off the registry

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Speaker 15: like they're like legal documentation of their existence. So this

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Speaker 15: is what I know so far, but it's very difficult

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Speaker 15: to track the deaths.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of the time period when you've been

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Speaker 1: going to Capitol Hill office buildings and trying to get

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Speaker 1: answers from members of Congress, have you noticed any sort

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Speaker 1: of tone shift, because you have seen, especially among the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, you've seen this rhetorical shift that seems to

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Speaker 1: have been the direct result of activist pressure from people

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Speaker 1: such as yourself. So have you noticed any of that

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Speaker 1: in your interactions.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would definitely say so.

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Speaker 15: I mean one example I can point two would be

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Speaker 15: Senator Van Holland I remember, I mean his rhetoric has

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Speaker 15: always like it's sort of shifted very significantly, and I

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Speaker 15: think he's one of the senators at the forefront of

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Speaker 15: I wouldn't say he's like staunchly pro Palestine, but he

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Speaker 15: you know, recognizes just how devastating this genocide has been.

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Speaker 15: And we met with his staffers, and I've gotten really

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Speaker 15: good at sort of gauging people's reactions and like because

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Speaker 15: I look them straight in the eye and I tell

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Speaker 15: them my story and about my family, and we do

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Speaker 15: get some very robotic answers, which yeah, I'm thinking exactly,

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Speaker 15: we'll relate it to the congressman or the senator. We'll

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Speaker 15: you know, we'll get here's my email, get in touch

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Speaker 15: with us, and we can have a longer conversation than

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Speaker 15: then we email them, and like we never get a response, obviously,

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Speaker 15: but there have been like with with Van Hollins Uh.

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Speaker 15: I think it was his chief of staff and maybe

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Speaker 15: Legislative director. They I could tell after the meeting they

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Speaker 15: were shaken up because you know, there was the whole

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Speaker 15: group of us, and we really like we sort of

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Speaker 15: just stopped any sort of like political talk and we're

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Speaker 15: just like, you guys need to understand, like, this is

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Speaker 15: what's happening. This is like a human issue more than

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Speaker 15: just a policy issue. And I think they actually hurt

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Speaker 15: us and since then and so part of what we

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Speaker 15: in that meeting was we were disappointed because he gave

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Speaker 15: that whole speech before voting to send the bill to

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Speaker 15: the House from the Senate.

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Speaker 7: So he like gave this whole big speech which.

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Speaker 15: Went viral and I was like, oh, great, we have

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Speaker 15: a senator actually speaking up for us. Then he still

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Speaker 15: voted for it, and so we went and we told him, like,

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Speaker 15: we love this speech. He actually went viral for this speech,

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Speaker 15: and like he has this opportunity to sort of be

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Speaker 15: this almost hero in terms of his context for the

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Speaker 15: Palestinian cause. But then he goes and votes, and it's like,

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Speaker 15: why doesn't the policy sort of match the rhetoric. And

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Speaker 15: we really pressured them on that, and I think that's

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Speaker 15: caused him to go even more in that direction towards

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Speaker 15: speaking up for Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people out there

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Speaker 1: who feel, you know, they feel disgusted, They feel heartbroken,

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Speaker 1: and they feel that sense of impotence and powerlessness because

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Speaker 1: even as you know, we had this large uncommitted vote

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Speaker 1: and protests every day and Green Jean Pierre and Joe

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Speaker 1: Bid they can't go anywhere without having to face protests

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Speaker 1: in the eye. What would your message be to those

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Speaker 1: people who are feeling disheartened about the possibility of having

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Speaker 1: any sort of voice in our quote unquote democracy.

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Speaker 15: I would tell them that I was there where they

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Speaker 15: are right now. I thought I couldn't do anything about it.

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Speaker 15: I felt very hopeless, especially hearing about my own family

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Speaker 15: as well as others families. And I will say, if

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Speaker 15: you have the chance to go to an action, whether

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Speaker 15: it's to join us, whether it's somewhere something local to you,

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Speaker 15: where you know there's some pro Israel congressman, I don't

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Speaker 15: know why I'm thinking Richie Torres right now, White, I'm

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02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:06,200
Speaker 15: not going to get into that, but I would say

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Speaker 15: go and just it's it's very uncomfortable. It is very uncomfortable,

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02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 15: and you you do need to sort of like let

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Speaker 15: go of that discomfort and just go for it. And

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Speaker 15: I would say, don't underestimate the effect of that because

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Speaker 15: we've heard from staffers as well in the offices, like

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Speaker 15: sometimes they'll like chase after us after we've left and

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02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 15: say like thank you so much for doing that, Please

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Speaker 15: keep doing it, Like they get so embarrassed, especially when

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Speaker 15: we bird dog them, they get so embarrassed.

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Speaker 7: Like I think, like Brad Sherman.

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Speaker 15: Was really pissed off about like you know that that

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Speaker 15: that that whole thing, and it went pretty viral too,

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Speaker 15: and so I think, don't underestimate the effect that it has.

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Speaker 15: It's not you know, immediate, of course you do it,

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Speaker 15: and then oh they vote first, he's fired. Then day

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Speaker 15: it's a lot of pressure, a lot of like not

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Speaker 15: letting them go about their normal life and holding them accountable.

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Speaker 1: We were both at an event the other night at

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Speaker 1: bus Voice and Poets where we reconnected, and Professor Finkelstein

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Speaker 1: was there, and I thought he had a good answer

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Speaker 1: to this question as well, which is, listen, if we

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Speaker 1: all do nothing, we know one hundred percent nothing.

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Speaker 7: Changes exactly, at least exactly.

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Speaker 3: We have a chance. So motes, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us today. More importantly, for the work that

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Speaker 3: you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Is there somewhere where you would want people to follow

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Speaker 1: you online, follow what you're up to.

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Speaker 15: Sure, Yeah, mainly my Instagram it's at taz s d

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Speaker 15: C t a z s DC. I do a lot

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Speaker 15: of work with Coke Pink. We do a lot of

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Speaker 15: like bird dogging and visiting offices. We just did a

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Speaker 15: die in yesterday at W. Wasserman Schultz's office. Also not

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Speaker 15: going to get into that, but I also like I

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Speaker 15: give a lot of speech and try to like just

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Speaker 15: share content to really humanize, uh, the people on the

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Speaker 15: ground in Palestine, because I feel like that's something that's

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Speaker 15: really missing. People see a lot of numbers and like

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Speaker 15: stats and like data about just how awful it is

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Speaker 15: and unprecedented, But even in looking at all of that,

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Speaker 15: it numbs.

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Speaker 7: You out a little bit.

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Speaker 15: And so I'm trying to give sort of use my

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Speaker 15: platform to give a voice of like these were real people,

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Speaker 15: real human beings with real lives.

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Speaker 7: This was some mundane day to day live the dreams

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Speaker 7: that they had for them.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Like my cousin eman like graduated somewhat recently with

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Speaker 15: a with like an MBA, and like she had these

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Speaker 15: lovely kids and and it's all done. They took it

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Speaker 15: all away. They took it all away. And it's it's unconsctable.

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Speaker 3: Motez, thank you so much for being with us in Crystal.

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Speaker 7: We're have very.

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Speaker 1: Grateful Thank you guys for watching and we will see

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Speaker 1: you on Thursday.

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Speaker 12: The end, PA