1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Jared continues to return donations given to him and Christy 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: after the fire, yet many of those donations are being 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: returned back to him and his name only after the 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: community has learned the truth about Christie. And while the 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: return donations help soften the blow of the trauma that 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: Jared's endured, the aftermath of Christie's lives and actions continue 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: to haunt him. 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: I called her work, so she was supposedly this regional 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: manager making all kinds of money they're given. I'm on 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: COVID pay all this stuff. I call into her work. 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: I explained the entire story of because I call in 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: specifically to get myself off of her as health insurance 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: and to tell her company, hey, there were no children 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: when the fire happened. They stuck the children on the 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: health insurance without filling out the proper paperwork. They kind 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: of just pushed it through to help out. 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Jared knew his children were on Christie's health insurance. This 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise. 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got papers in the mail saying, hey, 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: we have here's the son's name, the daughter's name, here's 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: their cards. 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: But what he didn't know was the story Christy told 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: her coworkers about the deaths of their twins. 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: She's asking a million questions and it was weird questions like, hey, 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear about what happened. Before I even 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: said that there weren't any kids. So I'm like, what 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: do you what did you hear? She goes, oh, well, 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: your wife had these kids last week. I'm like, what 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: do you mean. I'm like, I'm dumbfounded. Her boss is 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: who actually who I was on the phone with, goes, yeah, 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: she called us from in the hospital. It was like 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: two days before the fire, and she's going through and 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: sorry to hear about your daughter passing away in the hospital. 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: The more Jared listens, the stranger and more unsettling this 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: conversation becomes. 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: And then she gets to the boy, Hey, we're so 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: sorry to hear what happened to your son because the 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: smoke inhalation that happened in the fire. What And at 39 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 2: this point I'm like, buck stop, we gotta step back. 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Christy had told her coworkers that their daughter had died 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: in the hospital and that their son had died in 42 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: the fire. 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: They passed away at two completely different points. We got 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: to bring the son home and he died of the 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: smoke inhalation. It's mind blown. How do you make this 46 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: stuff up? 47 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Jared continued. Speaking to Christie's box. 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: He finds out that she wasn't a high level executive 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: that she claimed. 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: Rather, she was a secretary. 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: Just like a snowball effect that the lies continue to 52 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: come out, and I didn't see any of that. Maybe 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: it was because I wasn't looking. Maybe I was just 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: glazing over it. But I don't know how someone could 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: pull that off. 56 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: As husband and wife, Jared would get all the details 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: of what came with Christy's stressful, high profile position. 58 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: It was like, hey, I had to deal with this 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: guy quitting the warehouse problem. Like it was so methodically 60 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: thought out. It blows my mind, it really does. 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Marriages are supposed to be built on trust. Jared felt 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: that his was, tragically it was not in more. 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: Ways than one. 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Beyond faking a pregnancy, Christy had another giant secret she 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: kept from Jared that throughout their entire relationship, she was 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: seeing another man, her ex fiance Tom. I'm trishaa Fotch. 67 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm a writer, director, actor, and federal criminal defense attorney. 68 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a story that's all too 69 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: real about love, lies and the lens people will go 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: to for attention. It's a story that will leave you 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: questioning everything you thought you knew about truth, about reality, 72 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: and about what happens when the two collide in the 73 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: most unimaginable way. From Audio Up. 74 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: And Just Sweet Press Productions, This is the Unborn. 75 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: Jenny recounts how Christy kept her conversations with Tom discreet, 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: at least on Snapchat. 77 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: One day, I was laying on her bed and we 78 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 4: were listening to music, and I wanted to turn a 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: song on her phone and I saw that Jenny popped 80 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 4: up and I'm Jenny, and I didn't send her a Snapchat. 81 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 5: So. 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 6: I opened it and it was her expancee. 83 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: Jenny wasn't the only one that picked up on Christie's affair. 84 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: The small town rumor mill also had noticed. 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 7: Her ex boyfriend's truck was parked of the house or 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 7: something one day and he was just sitting in this truck. 87 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 5: He wasn't even in the hound. 88 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 8: His neighbors called him one time and that dude that 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 8: she was banging with in his driveway. 90 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 9: That car they bought was brand new, and somehow it 91 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 9: has twenty some thousand miles on it and they've only 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 9: had it for four months, So how did that happen 93 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 9: if you're just going to work and you know she's 94 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 9: a professional liar. 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 8: Neighbors took pictures of him, and it was our actiance 96 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 8: that the other dude that she was still shagging. 97 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: We don't know why Tom was just sitting in Jared 98 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: and Christie's driveway. Potentially there was an innocent explanation for that, 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: but we do know something else he was up to. 100 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: The ax was sending her money twenty four to seven, 101 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 4: was always sending her money, and I had said to 102 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: her multiple times, you need to stop that, like you 103 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: need to block him, delete him, do whatever. 104 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: Like just be done. 105 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: She couldn't. I don't know what is so in here 106 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: about him that she wants, but it's it's gross and 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: I don't like it. 108 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Melissa, Jared's attorney offered an explanation for why Tom was 109 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: constantly sent money to Christy. It was because Christy told 110 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Tom that he, and not Jared, was the father to 111 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: the twins. 112 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 10: I have the text messages in my file between Christy 113 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 10: and another man in which she clearly states that this 114 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 10: other man is the father to the twins and that 115 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 10: Jared has decided to do the up standing right thing 116 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 10: and claim to be the father. 117 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: There are volumes of text messages between Christy and Tom, 118 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: evidence that. 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: Painted a picture of Christy as a woman who. 120 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: Was not only faking a pregnancy, but was claiming two 121 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: different men Jared and Tom, were the father. 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 10: Just think what she could have done if she. 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: Was up to good. 124 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: Melissa gave us full access to the file. 125 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: There were numerous sexting photos that Christy sent to Tom, 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: multiple Zell receipts of Tom sending Christy money, and the 127 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: receipts come with messages like want me or not or 128 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: if you ever need anything, dear tell me. But one 129 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: text exchange really stands out. It turns out that Tom 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: was also engaged and expecting a child with his new fiance. 131 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: This is that text exchange between Christy and Tom, a 132 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: week before Christie's due date. 133 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 5: Christy, you chose this. If you would have chose me 134 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 5: months ago, me and her would be having another baby 135 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 5: and you would have had what you've been begging for. 136 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: You can't blame me for living my life when I 137 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 5: was thrown to the side. 138 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 7: I don't beg you You've said all these things about 139 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 7: our kids that I'm carrying, and that shit ain't true. 140 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 7: Just literally leave me alone for good. Don't worry about 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 7: our kids. I'm so sick over this. Fuck you, I 142 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 7: don't even know if there's a word for you. 143 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: Me not telling you isn't live. It's not your business. 144 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be here for you, for the 145 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 5: kids you're about to have. 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Christy and Tom are because she's just found out that 147 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: his new fiance is also pregnant, even though all this 148 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: time he knew that the twins she was pregnant with 149 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: were his. 150 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 7: It is my business. Leave me alone. Go be there 151 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 7: for your pregnant Beyonce. 152 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: It's not your fucking business. I don't know where you think. 153 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 7: That I should tell her that these are your two 154 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 7: kids that I've been keeping a fucking secret for you. 155 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 5: You chose that, You chose that when you chose him, 156 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: But go ahead, take your screenshots and cause trouble and 157 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 5: ruin the days leading up to the kids' birth. 158 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: Christy clearly becomes agitated in her following responses, firing back 159 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: with all caps and exclamation points. 160 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 7: Oh so you do want me to tell her that 161 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 7: our kids are due next week, and you've been meeting 162 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 7: up with me. Okay, so now threatened being a father 163 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 7: to our children. I don't need you to be their dad. 164 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 7: I'll take care, ask for child support, and move on 165 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 7: with my life. 166 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 5: I wasn't written in anything. 167 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 7: You said start shit and ruin the birth of our 168 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 7: kids in a week. That's a threat. 169 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 5: I said, ruin the day is leading up to it, 170 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 5: because it would we would be fine, and it won't 171 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: be as happy for us when the day comes. 172 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 7: I'm so Sigrid. Now you're insane. Leave me alone. 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot to unpack regarding Christy's headspace. 174 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: She's already carrying on with this monumental lie with Jared 175 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: and his entire family, and yet she somehow has the 176 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: bandwidth to carry this lie along with Tom as well. 177 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: I find out that two weeks after I proposed, there 178 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: was a message from her ex saying, hey, you better 179 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: treat her right. As soon as the kids are born, 180 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: I will be getting a paternity tests. I know they're mine, 181 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: so don't screw it up. 182 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: Tom had direct message Jared on Instagram, but Tom and 183 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: Jared do not follow each other on Instagram, and Jared 184 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: did not get the message, that is, until he thought 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: to check his DMS after he'd served Christy with a 186 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: noment papers. 187 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: And I hear you proposed, and I hear she is 188 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: going to say yes, since she was waiting to see 189 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 5: what I did, even though I was told you two 190 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 5: were going to make things work for the kids Friday 191 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 5: night when she was with me in my hotel. Seriously, 192 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 5: best of luck, be civil for the kids. Actually fuck 193 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 5: her and she won't wander. And when the kids are born, 194 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 5: I will be asking for a paternity test. She was 195 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: breaking up with you for us until the pregnancy, so 196 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 5: I'm told anyway, and it doesn't matter what it takes. 197 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 5: You need to make the next eight months of Christy's 198 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 5: life as easy as possible. I don't know if she 199 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 5: can handle another dramatic experience. 200 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to process that Christy was pushing this lie 201 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: on two fronts. Like most things Christy did, we were 202 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: left asking why was Tom an alternate backup in the 203 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: event her life. 204 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: With Jared imploded. Did Christy simply. 205 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: Lie to Tom in order to collect money from him 206 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: for the children that did not exist, or was Tom 207 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: a part of Christie's endgame all along? And Jared was 208 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: a placeholder until Tom sorted out his domestic situation with 209 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: his pregnant fiance. With two different men in her life, 210 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: it's hard to know which man Christy actually wanted to 211 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: be with. Here's Jenny and her mom with their thoughts 212 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: on Christy's endgame. 213 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 11: I think it's the money. 214 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 12: I think she was trying to steal a baby and 215 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 12: sell it for the money. I think she was on 216 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 12: the computer, and I think when she got on that computer, 217 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 12: she was chit chatting with someone from another stake and 218 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 12: was trying to set it up to have that thing 219 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 12: to steal a baby. 220 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: She wanted a family. 221 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: I don't know. I know she wanted a little girl 222 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 4: so bad, and the more that I thought about it, 223 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: and the more that I thought about everything else, she 224 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: would go to any length to get a little girl. 225 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: At this point, I feel like including possibly stealing a baby. 226 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 227 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: Do you think she's capable of kidnapping a baby? 228 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 4: You forgive her the chance, do you. 229 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 3: Think she would go through with it? 230 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 6: Probably? 231 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: We decided that we wanted to see if we could 232 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: try to get more information about what went on for 233 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: the eighteen to twenty hours that Christie was in the 234 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: hospital prior to calling Jared to ask him to come 235 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: pick her up. 236 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 3: I have to say. 237 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: I've never done an ambush style interview before, although there's 238 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,239 Speaker 1: no plan to ambush, I guess I just mean unscheduled 239 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: interview before. 240 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: So my adrenaline is feeling a little nervous. 241 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: But we're going to see if we can try to 242 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: get any more answers. 243 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 10: My name is Tresiana Boch. This is Frank Wall. 244 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: You're with iHeartRadio and we're producing a segment, a new 245 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: segment on an episode that occurred in his hospital in 246 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: the semer twenty twenty. 247 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 8: We were one, I. 248 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: Mean, if there was a public information officer on duties 249 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: that would be available for comments. 250 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: You who started to do officers a very unlaboration spor Okay. 251 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: Thank you for. 252 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 12: Good. 253 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: How were you for? 254 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: We just asked the check in and she said to 255 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: ask you we are My name is Trecila Bonge. 256 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: This is Frank Wall. 257 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: We're with iHeartRadio producing a new segment and a portion 258 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: of the segment revolves around an incident that took place 259 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: here in December twenty twenty, and we were wondering if 260 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: there was a public information officer on. 261 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 10: Who you would be available. 262 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: For comment today? 263 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: More than likely? 264 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 9: Now, okay, and the wait you think kind of the 265 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 9: skeletons group. 266 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 5: Okay, the best thing to do is would be a 267 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 5: callback morow. 268 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll come back to morow. Okay, who would you say, 269 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: speak to patient relations for. 270 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: Aod It actually makes you as the Blood heroes. 271 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 3: By the way, it's not it's a negative story. It's 272 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: a positive story. 273 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: Guine Hospital, I who you've talked to? 274 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 10: Did you work here in December twenty? 275 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: Yes? 276 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: Could you answer anything? 277 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 8: Nothing? Nothing? 278 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: Not even sit through the questions and decide what you 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: could answer and what then? Okay, I know nothing. So 280 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: we just got back in the car. We were definitely 281 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: turned away by the hospital. We spoke to four people, 282 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: two at the front desk, who referred us to the 283 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: police officer and security guard who were standing just to 284 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: the left of the table, and we asked if we 285 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: could speak to the public Information officer, which is the 286 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: PIO public information officer on duty about an incident that 287 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: took place in the hospital in December twenty twenty. 288 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: They told us nobody was. 289 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: Available, gave us a card and a number to call 290 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: to contact and I was trying to grease him a 291 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: little bit to see if he would speak, and we 292 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: asked him when did he start working at the hospital. 293 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: He said twenty twenty. And we threw out there that 294 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: the incident makes the hospital police look really good. It's favorable, 295 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: it's not negative, just to see if I could get 296 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: anything out of him, and so I said, it revolves 297 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: around incident where a woman tried to take a baby 298 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: and you guys successfully thwarted her from allowing that to happen. 299 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: And his eyes look right like absolutely he was there. 300 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, He just. 301 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Had this super guilty look on his face like he 302 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: was dying to talk. 303 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: His eyes I could just see the wheels in his 304 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: head turning. 305 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: I pressed just a little harder, and instead of saying 306 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: no comment, he just said nothing because I think he 307 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: was worried that if he started to talk, he was 308 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: going to say what he remembered, and he did not 309 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: want to do that. So we will call on Monday 310 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: and see if we can speak to the PIO. We 311 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: made several attempts to reach the man whose name and 312 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: number we were provided, as well as left several messages. 313 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: It turns out he wasn't the PIO, but rather the 314 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: head of public safety at the hospital. 315 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: He never returned our calls. 316 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: If Christy did intend to kidnap a baby as part 317 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: of her ending, it was never meant to be. If 318 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: she intended to return to tom that didn't work out either. Meanwhile, 319 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Jared was in the process of trying to annul his 320 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: marriage to Christy. 321 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: What avenues did she have left? Not many. 322 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: There was a couple rumors going around, and there was 323 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: a worn out for her arrest baby napping from the 324 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: actual hospital itself. But I don't know how believable that is, 325 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: how much truth there is to that just hearsay? Yeah, 326 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: I would say it was hearsay, honestly, and again this 327 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: is coming through the annoyment that she actually went and 328 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: fought me on was then we had to get a 329 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: couple of continuances, reason being sheed she didn't get a 330 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: lawyer until the day before. Her mother actually wanted to 331 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: meet a fifty one fifty her and put her in 332 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: a mental hospital. I find out through the continuance she 333 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: asked for she decided to go into I don't know 334 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: if she was fifty one to fifty by her mother 335 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: or if she voluntarily went into this treatment. Center Center. 336 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: Jared's attorney, Melissa, couldn't proceed at the pace she wanted 337 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: with the annulment because Christie entered a medical treatment center. 338 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 10: She was in Florida at an intense treatment in which 339 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 10: she was not even permitted to contact her attorney for 340 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 10: two to three weeks, and then she was moving to Chattanooga, 341 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 10: Tennessee for further treatment. And when she moved to Tennessee 342 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 10: is when she would be able to participate in the hearing. 343 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: After everything they went through, it seems that Christy got 344 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: the help that she needs. Personally, I applaud her for that. 345 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: It's extremely commendable. It's unfortunate, however, how many lives that 346 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: up ended, how many friendships destroyed, for this moment to 347 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: finally happen. 348 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 3: Here's Jenny. 349 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: Her mom had actually messaged me and said like, thank 350 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 4: you for being here for my daughter, and she's going 351 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 4: to get the help that she needs basically, and I 352 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 4: was like, what is happening? Like that day that she left, 353 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: her mom called her and said, you're going to go 354 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 4: to jail, Like you're going to go to jail if 355 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: you don't come with us right now. And I'm like thinking, like, oh, 356 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 4: They're just saying that because they just want to put 357 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: you in a mental place because you just lost two children. 358 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking, And come to find out 359 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 4: that wasn't even it. 360 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: It's clear Christy needed the help. 361 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: Sheila feared her daughter would go to jail if she 362 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: didn't leave with her immediately to the treatments and her 363 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: Jenny had her own theories why. She thinks Sheila was 364 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: afraid that local authorities would arrest Christie if she stuck around. 365 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 4: It could be that it could be the money. It 366 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 4: could have been the faking everything. It could have been 367 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 4: because they faked it in the donations of the fire, 368 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 4: of the babies, it could have been, it could have 369 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 4: been all that. 370 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: The fire raised suspicions with everyone involved in the story. 371 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 3: For Jenny, it was no different. 372 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 4: I think she was getting rid of everything that reminded 373 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 4: her of those babies, the room, anything, just the house 374 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: in general. 375 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: Well what do you think? 376 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 2: What if? 377 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: What if Jared died in that fire? 378 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 6: So that's the that's the million other questions. 379 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: I don't know. 380 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Jenny had a final thought to share in regard to 381 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: the fire. 382 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 6: You never asked me about the ring. 383 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: I don't know anything about what ring, No wedding. No, 384 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 3: it was missing. 385 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: I couldn't find it. 386 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: Do you think she pawned it? 387 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, or she has it or she had it somewhere. 388 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 6: It was expensive. He paid it in cash because it 389 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 6: was like last. 390 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 4: Minute, like like they are closing type thing, and he 391 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 4: paid in cash. 392 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 12: From what I read, and she said, there was one 393 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 12: plan it in the bathroom where the fire started. 394 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 6: This whatever, there was a fake ring. 395 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 12: There was a fake ring that a real ring wouldn't burn, 396 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 12: a real like it was a silver, it was a 397 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 12: silver whatever. 398 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 4: Set diamond set and he specifically said the way that 399 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 4: this was all set, like the diamond on it, like 400 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: it wouldn't it wouldn't burn. 401 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: Story of somebody planted a fake ring in the bathroom 402 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: of the house before it burnt down so that it 403 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: would seem like that was the real ring. 404 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: And that's what happened to it. 405 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: She did it herself, or she did it herself, or 406 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 4: she pawned the ring beforehand and bought that one off 407 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: the Amazon. 408 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: With Christy being forced to leave Avella by her mother, 409 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: she would have her final face to face moment with Jenny. 410 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: She just kept on saying to me from the time 411 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: we left my actual apartment to the stairwell, she said, 412 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: you're still going to be my best friend. You're still 413 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 4: my friend, Like she just kept on asking me that. 414 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: I just kept on saying, yeah, of course, I'm going 415 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: to still be your friend. Like I like, you're gonna 416 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 4: get through this. I'll talk to you whenever I can't, 417 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: you know, like every day. 418 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Christie's mother arrived, it was time to say goodbye, and. 419 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: Then you've never spoken to her again. 420 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 6: She actually called me. 421 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: In between Christy leaving and calling Jenny from her treatment center, 422 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: Jenny was contacted by Jared's sister. His sister told Jenny 423 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: the entire truth about what happened with Christy. Jenny was 424 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: in shock and really hurt. That's when Christy called her. 425 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: From treatment and she was like, everything okay. 426 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 4: And I was holding back to her because I had 427 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: just knocked out everything, and I'm like, yeah, you know, 428 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: like I just I reset my phone and I made 429 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 4: up a story of how I reset my phone and 430 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 4: how all my locations just her off for everyone, and 431 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 4: she was like okay. And after that conversation she said, 432 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 4: I loved you, and I didn't even say it back 433 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 4: to her honestly, and I hung up, and then I 434 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 4: have a message from her mom saying, you know, like 435 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 4: she's going to go get the help that she needs. 436 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 4: But she didn't exactly put it in that term. 437 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: But I think that Christie knew when you guys had 438 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: that final phone call, that you knew that everything was 439 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: a lie, and she just didn't have the guts to 440 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: say I'm sorry. 441 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: Yes. 442 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 3: What makes you think that because. 443 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: She never tried to reach out over. 444 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: Again, Christie's mom wanted her to get into an inpatient 445 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: mental facility. 446 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: There's two to look at it. 447 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: Non cynically, Sheila wants her daughter to get the help 448 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: that she needs, but strategically, entering a long term treatment 449 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: facility effectively postpones any annulment, which Jared was desperately. 450 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: Trying to get done. 451 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: It also provides cover from any potential criminal charges that 452 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: could have come out of all of this. Jared's lawyer, 453 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: Melissa felt the challenges of Christie's abrupt departure from a 454 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: vienna she ran. 455 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 10: And we had a very difficult time moving forward because 456 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 10: I couldn't locate her. We were very thankful when she 457 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 10: retained an attorney because then I had a point of contact, 458 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 10: and then that attorney filed the petition for a continuance 459 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 10: and gave us some additional information as to where she was, 460 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 10: and I believe I even requested proof that where she 461 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 10: stated she was. I said, I don't believe you. I 462 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 10: want to know exactly where it is, and I want 463 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 10: documentation that that's where she's at. 464 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: Christy's location was uncovered, she had legal counsel. Jared and 465 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: Melissa were ready to proceed in earnest, but Christy was 466 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: ready to fight. 467 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: She wore her money. She's like, hey, I lost all 468 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: this stuff, and she put astronomico amounts of value on 469 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: these items that she lost. She felt entitled to fifty 470 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: percent of that. 471 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: When Jared's lawyer, Melissa realized Christie was claiming items lost 472 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: in the fire, let's just say she wasn't having it. 473 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 10: Essentially said, you're ridiculous, this isn't going to happen. 474 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: I was a pit bull. 475 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 10: I was not going to back down. There was nobody 476 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 10: that was going to take advantage of Jared while I 477 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 10: was with so I spoke with her counsel. She had 478 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 10: no idea. She was oblivious. She believed that Christy was pregnant. 479 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 10: And I kind of laughed in her face. It was 480 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 10: all over her phone, and I'm like no, and I'm like, 481 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 10: I have the proof, and I gave her some of 482 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 10: the backstory, and she indicated to me, well, Christie is 483 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 10: willing to go through with Yanoma, but she wants her stuff. 484 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 10: She wants her money. 485 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: Even Christie's own counsel was in the dark about her 486 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: lafe and deceit. 487 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 10: I once again laughed in her face, and I told 488 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 10: her about the fire that go fund me, the money 489 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 10: that she had taken, what my client had done. 490 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: With the money. 491 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 10: I mean, if there's anybody that, in my opinion, I 492 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 10: like decide for, it's the good guy and the underdog. 493 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 10: And Jared was one hundred percent the good guy and 494 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 10: this matter. So I was going to be a pipole. 495 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 10: I was not going to let her get anything. So 496 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 10: she provided me with a list of things. I spoke 497 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 10: with Jared about it, and of course it was all 498 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 10: in the fire and she had indicated her council indicated 499 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 10: she wanted the money that he received for those items. Well, 500 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 10: you know what, Jared didn't claim those items, so he 501 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 10: never received any funds from those so there was no 502 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 10: funds for him to give. In fact, he was working 503 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 10: his way to pay back people on the GoFundMe from 504 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 10: the money she took, so he was paying out a 505 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 10: pocket for money. In my opinion, she stole just to 506 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 10: make things right. There was no way I was letting 507 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 10: her get any more money. 508 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 2: No way. 509 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: Jared received his annulment on his birthday, and he couldn't 510 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: have asked for a better gift. 511 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: I actually ended up getting the annulment on my birthday. 512 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: I wasn't even worried about the birthday. I'm a free 513 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: man again. It's done it over with. And this was 514 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 2: drug out for four and a half months, and I'm 515 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: just psyching the pressure and relief. I felt, Hey, I 516 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: can move on with my life. It's my life again. 517 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: The hearing was conducted over zoom. Jared had his camera on. 518 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: Christy didn't I have. 519 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: My camera on? Once I hear that it was going 520 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: to be ruled in my favor, I'm sitting there smiling 521 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: at the camera. I know she can see me. I 522 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: guess I just wanted to kind of rub it in 523 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: her face, like, hey, you're a terrible person. 524 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 3: But she did not turn her camera on. 525 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 2: She'd never turned her camera on. 526 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: Did you hear a voice? 527 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, And I actually had my mother in there 528 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: with me, which what a what a complete I don't 529 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: even know how to describe it. I've never seen my 530 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: mom so emotional other than the day. 531 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Jared's mother, Kathy isn't big on showing emotions, positive or. 532 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: Negative, but she was so happy and relieved. She was 533 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: more relieved than I was. And it was in having 534 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: her friend be my lawyer for the annulment that just 535 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: kind of made a bitter sweet to her. It was 536 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: nice to see my mom finally smile again. 537 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: And Jared was thrilled that this show of emotion was 538 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: a joyful one. 539 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 8: I was relieved and glad it went through so we 540 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 8: didn't move on with our lives. 541 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 2: And it was a true genuine smile and being happy 542 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: and relieved. And so I'm like, hey, let's go to 543 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: breakfast before the annoyment. She goes, absolutely not, I'll throw up. 544 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, well what, I'm like, Well, that's that's all right, mom, 545 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: I'll sit here with you. 546 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: I was able to review the annulment paperwork, and in it, 547 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Christy had to confess for once the. 548 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 2: Truth on the record. She ended up saying there were 549 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: never any children, and that was that solidified it to me, 550 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: to everyone in the courts, the law, there were never 551 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: any children and everything was a lie. 552 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: It was satisfying for Jared's law Melissa as well. 553 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 10: One thing I really wanted to ask her because we 554 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 10: had to set the groundwork in the hearing as to 555 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 10: what the deception was, and she had never admitted to 556 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 10: him that it wasn't true. So I point asked her, 557 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 10: were there any kids? And she paused, she said no, 558 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 10: And that, in my mind or my belief, is the 559 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 10: first time he actually heard it from her mom. Because 560 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 10: I did not want this lingering in his mind at all. 561 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 10: I did not want there to be any question in 562 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 10: the future whether he made the right decision or not. 563 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 10: I wanted her to admit that she did to him. 564 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: Melissa proved Christie's deceit. She helped Jared be free from 565 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: this nightmare. And even though she couldn't prove some other 566 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: things about Christy, it didn't stop her from having her 567 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: own opinions on the specific the fire. 568 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 10: Do you think she set the buyer? Yes, one hundred percent, 569 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 10: because of the history of the prior fires, and I 570 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 10: think this woman could do anything and I think it 571 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 10: probably helped with her whole storyline because if they had 572 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 10: stayed together, she could have built upon the trauma of 573 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 10: the fire and how it affected her and therefore impacted 574 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 10: the babies, which led to their death. And if you're 575 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 10: going to build sympathy, I mean house fire, baby deaths. 576 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: Melissa was convinced that Christie set that fire. 577 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 6: She was also. 578 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: Convinced that Jared was the victim of a crime. Do 579 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: you consider yourself the victim of a crime? 580 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: Yes? 581 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: After everything Jared endured, it would be up to him 582 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: to decide if criminal charges against Christy was a fight 583 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: he wanted to pursue. 584 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 10: He could have filed private criminal complaint at a magistrate's 585 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 10: office and then it would go to the DA directly, 586 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 10: and the DA would then determine to move forward. But 587 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 10: he didn't need that additional battle. He needed closure and 588 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 10: for it to be over. And I don't know that 589 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 10: he ever wanted to punish her. He just wanted it over. 590 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: When Jared and I sat down, it was four and 591 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: a half months after the births and two weeks after 592 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: his annulment was final. 593 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: I expressed to him that I was really glad to 594 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: see that he was back on his feet. 595 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: What makes you think I'm back on my feet. I'm 596 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: not the same person that I was before this happened. 597 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: Jared wasn't the only one that thought he was forever 598 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: changed by all this. It's a sentiment shared by many 599 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: people in Jared's life, including his mom, dad and mom. 600 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 8: I think there was going to be trust issues there, 601 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 8: and hopefully will grow as a as a person. But 602 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 8: I definitely think there's gonna be some issues there. 603 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 9: Well, I think he's in a good frame of mind 604 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 9: and you have to learn from this kind of stuff. Yeah, 605 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 9: it just doesn't happen on TV. I guess he can't 606 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 9: think of every girlfriend he's ever going to have like 607 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 9: this one. You know this probably Well, let's hope it 608 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 9: never happens to him again. 609 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 5: You know. 610 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 9: I tell him what I think, and you know, right 611 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 9: or wrong. I hope it helps him some. 612 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 10: You know. 613 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 11: I don't think he lets on to us how much 614 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 11: it actually affected him. I think he like puts on 615 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 11: a great face, but I think it really did affect him. 616 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 11: So I don't know that he's letting people know how 617 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 11: that affected it. I think it's going to take him 618 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 11: a while to personally be able to trust again. So 619 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 11: I think he just needs to heal before he tries 620 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 11: to date. 621 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: As our initial time together drew to a close, I 622 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: wondered if Jared had any advice for people out there 623 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: after experiencing what he endured. 624 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: That's a tough one. Don't take do your research, and 625 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but question these big decisions 626 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: in your life. Don't say Okay, well she's or someone's pregnant. 627 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: Question it. Get proof, and I think COVID made that 628 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: a lot easier to pull off. Hopefully no one ever 629 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: has to go through this again. I wouldn't wish it 630 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: on my worst enemy. But do your research. 631 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: There's no rule book on how to navigate such trauma, 632 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: especially when it's so confusing and doesn't seem to make 633 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: any sense. Jared and those closest to him coked in 634 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: their own ways. His parents Kathy and David were hit 635 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: especially hard. 636 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 11: Oh. 637 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 8: I was devastated. I just couldn't. I couldn't understand. I 638 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 8: couldn't wrap my head around it. I had no idea 639 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 8: what happened to. 640 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 9: People were coming up with adolences. Some know, some don't, 641 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 9: Some some know the story. I mean, you got to 642 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 9: tell this ft up story, you know, probably two hundred 643 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 9: times to everybody that walks in the door, because they're 644 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 9: all friends. The relatives live all around us here at 645 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 9: Oh my wife was. 646 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 3: Ecstatic, ready to be a grandma. 647 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. 648 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 9: She cried for two weeks after. 649 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 4: This, and he told him the whole story, and uh yeah, 650 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 4: we were still in the hospital and just in disbelief. 651 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: Ended up the best thing that happened could have happened. 652 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: And he doesn't have a wife or kids, so he's 653 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: better off. 654 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 9: You know, you don't know what to do for there's 655 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 9: nothing I can do by way of dealing with stuff, 656 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 9: is just kind of keeping busy in and going and 657 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 9: doing something. So we went over. I went over and 658 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 9: started working on the house. 659 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 8: I had a lot of mixed emotions about that one. 660 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 8: After finding out everything. I was glad that there was 661 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 8: no babies, But on the other hand, I was sad 662 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 8: that there was no babies. 663 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: But the thoughts of Christy interfere with their healing. If 664 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: they had a chance to say something to her, if 665 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: they had a chance to get some level of closure 666 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: from her, what would those closest to Jared say and do? 667 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 11: If you were to ask me this question, I would 668 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 11: have said, I would have probably punched in her mouth. 669 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 2: I'd probably walk away. 670 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 8: I don't have nothing nice to say to her. 671 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 9: No, I'm probably done with it, you know, because she's 672 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 9: a liar, So no matter what you asked her, you're 673 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 9: not going to get to truth. 674 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 4: Hey wouldn't be worried. It would be my fist. 675 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 6: I was sad at first, Now I'm mad. 676 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: Jenny offers her final insight on Christie's endgame. 677 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 6: I don't think she can have children. I think that's 678 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 6: what the main thing of this is that she wants 679 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 6: a family. She wants to actually have, like something of 680 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 6: hers that she didn't have when she was a child herself. 681 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: When I heard Jenny say that, sad for Christy a 682 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: child from a broken and abusive home and all she 683 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: wanted was a family of her own. But her desires 684 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: don't justify the means she took to try to achieve 685 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: that dream. 686 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 4: I hate how everything went down, and I hate the 687 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 4: fact that she did that. But I also hate the 688 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 4: fact that, knowing what I know now of her family situation, 689 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: that could have been the reason why this was all caused. 690 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 4: That's what I hate. That's what makes me sad because 691 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 4: she is a very nice girl. 692 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 6: She would do anything for anyone, you know, she would 693 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 6: go to the mint and back. But to do all 694 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 6: of this for attention? 695 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 4: Why why people don't change completely overnight. 696 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 2: It's a gradual thing and it's hard to get past 697 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: those bad qualities. You never grow out of them, especially 698 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 2: if your morals are incorrect. I mean, that's what you 699 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 2: live by, and unfortunately I chose incorrectly, and I really 700 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 2: want to harp on it. Make sure you know who 701 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: you're wanting to spend the rest of your life with. 702 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: We made an attempt to reach out to Christy to 703 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: see if she wanted to tell. 704 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 3: Her side of the story. 705 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: She declined to speak to us. We did find out 706 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: some news after completing her medical treatment. Christy has relocated 707 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: and is living in a different state. She's in a 708 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: new relationship and engaged, and she recently gave birth to 709 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: a baby girl. 710 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 3: We found all this out on Facebook. 711 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: The Unborn is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Audio Up 712 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: and Jesuit Press Productions, created by Trisila Fotch and Frank 713 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: Rodriguez Malt, Produced by Alvin Cohen and Rachel Foley. Executive 714 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: produced by Jimmy Jellinek, David Thwaites, and Jared Gustave. 715 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 3: Edited by Gerard Bauer and Preston Dawson. Sound design and 716 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 3: mixing by Jeremiah Zimmerman.