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Speaker 1: rain drops on today's episode of Reality with King honay
Speaker 1: Que the Sirens si Era. Yes, because no, we are
Speaker 1: not in traffic in New York City, so don't worry,
Speaker 1: rain drops. We are talking about the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: New Jersey reunion being canceled and what that means for
Speaker 1: this franchise. But first, I cannot do this alone. I'm
Speaker 1: here with fan fave also somebody who is like worse
Speaker 1: than me when it comes to like knowing Jersey. He's
Speaker 1: like a Jersey magnet when it comes to the history
Speaker 1: of not only this show, but all the Housewives and
Speaker 1: the Bravo shows and me anymore. Give it up for Gibs.
Speaker 2: And John's Carlos.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be back always
Speaker 3: talking about Jersey with you.
Speaker 1: I know no listen the last tie you were on, Honey,
Speaker 1: the audience went wild because the beauty of me talking
Speaker 1: to you, and I love talking to any guest of
Speaker 1: mine where we don't agree on the same thing, but
Speaker 1: that to me makes a very expressing conversation.
Speaker 3: I totally agree, and it's like I wish that we
Speaker 3: could disagree more in this like online Housewives universe without
Speaker 3: it getting ugly, you know. So you know, we can
Speaker 3: be cordial and disagree and let's let's.
Speaker 2: Let's keep it that way.
Speaker 3: And I also, I also I think it's good to
Speaker 3: help each other see the light on certain things, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I'm not closed off. I'm not
Speaker 3: closed off to thinking differently.
Speaker 2: I'm really not. So there's that.
Speaker 1: No, honey, you are very fair. We follow e Chuck
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I love your reviews, I love your recaps,
Speaker 1: and I love your point of views. And listen, thank you.
Speaker 1: This is sort of like what Joy Behar and Megan
Speaker 1: McKay will be like if they had no cap.
Speaker 2: I'm not Megan. I'm not calling I'm not Megan.
Speaker 1: I'm not Megan. I'm that's my girl. I'm Meggant. You're
Speaker 1: Joy Bayhar. Okay, so down, So we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: great conversation. Who knows, maybe in the end, Gibson, you
Speaker 1: and I will agree, Okay maybe maybe? Yes, yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: So breaking news, Gibson, The Real Housewives of New Jersey
Speaker 1: will not have a traditional reunion for season fourteen. Our
Speaker 1: friend Dave Quinn over at People Magazine have the exclusive
Speaker 1: where he is reporting that based on his source, they said,
Speaker 1: and I quote, a reunion is meant to have resolution,
Speaker 1: and it's clear in the season finale that there is
Speaker 1: no path forward in that type of setting. So the
Speaker 1: network is figuring out a different concept to wrap up
Speaker 1: the season. Now, the last time a Real Housewives franchise
Speaker 1: this big because in the installment chronological order, it started
Speaker 1: off with the OC, then it was New York, then Atlanta,
Speaker 1: then Jersey. So the first time this happened was the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York City reunion where Honey the
Speaker 1: Girls bought gowns, had dresses made, and then that reunion
Speaker 1: was not only canceled, the Honey the Girls were canceled
Speaker 1: and they were not allowed to come back into another season. So, Gibson,
Speaker 1: we were all aware of where we were when O
Speaker 1: J was in the White Bronco, So I need to
Speaker 1: know where you were when you learn that there were
Speaker 1: up the Jersey reunion was canceled.
Speaker 3: Carlos, I just told you. I was at a Bacherette
Speaker 3: party this weekend. I was several high Newons deep into
Speaker 3: my day drinking journey when this news broke and I
Speaker 3: stopped in my tracks, excused myself from the group, read
Speaker 3: the article, tweeted about it and did and then you know,
Speaker 3: wipe my hands of it and went along with my weekend.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it shook me. It shook me to my core.
Speaker 3: It's like it's one of those things where like it
Speaker 3: really doesn't happen very often, Like you just said, it's happened.
Speaker 2: It only happened one time before.
Speaker 1: It only happened one time, Yes, and only one time
Speaker 1: with the New York City.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And it's so it's it's a it's a
Speaker 3: huge deal. It's a huge deal, and so you know,
Speaker 3: it shakes you. But then if you really think about it,
Speaker 3: I guess maybe it's a smart move.
Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, it's like.
Speaker 3: It, but it's it's it's difficult to imagine that the
Speaker 3: network is happy that this news came out so early
Speaker 3: in the season because it makes it makes it affects
Speaker 3: how we view the rest of the season, right, It
Speaker 3: affects like it kind of lowers the stakes, it makes
Speaker 3: it sort of takes some of the auction out of
Speaker 3: the room. I think when it comes to the building
Speaker 3: drama on Jersey this season and like I'm still gonna
Speaker 3: like enjoy watching it, I think, but like when you
Speaker 3: know you're not building up to a big confrontation at
Speaker 3: the reunion, So it's it's a valid question to ask,
Speaker 3: like what's the point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the fans responses to this breaking
Speaker 1: news gifts and what's just that? Like, what's the point?
Speaker 1: What's the point in me watching this? Because again, we
Speaker 1: watch these docuseries to really see like how are things
Speaker 1: going to end and what sort of questions we are
Speaker 1: going to submit to brablotv dot com. Andy can ask
Speaker 1: the but have a Meredith and Idaho, right, So Meredith
Speaker 1: and Idaho fortunately will not get her questions asked after
Speaker 1: reunion because of the of the cancelation. Now, one of
Speaker 1: my sources did tell me, Gibson, because you brought up
Speaker 1: a very good point. You said the network could not
Speaker 1: be happy that this got out so early in the season.
Speaker 1: I was told by a reliable source that they were
Speaker 1: allegedly supposed to take the reunion this month.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's doesn't that feel early too?
Speaker 1: Well? This is the gag of the gagag Gass Gibson.
Speaker 1: What I don't know is how many episodes Jersey has Now.
Speaker 1: What we do know is this, because I'm sure you
Speaker 1: heard this too, Gibson, the girls were supposed to go
Speaker 1: on a cast trip and the house burned down before
Speaker 1: they arrived.
Speaker 2: That did happen?
Speaker 1: That happened, right, So rain drops. When you are doing
Speaker 1: a cast that typically can guarantee you anywhere between three
Speaker 1: and four episodes, right without a cast trip. The minimum
Speaker 1: episodes that a reality show usually gets of this magnitude,
Speaker 1: it's like fourteen episodes in a two or three part reunion.
Speaker 1: Without those additional three or four episodes, Gibson, this season
Speaker 1: could be very small, like eleven twelve episodes. So you're right.
Speaker 1: We just watched what episode five? Last?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 1: Episode five?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, last night. The other thing, too, is normally
Speaker 1: you tape a reunion maybe five to six episodes before
Speaker 1: for the finale, right before the finale, so we could
Speaker 1: be looking at anywhere between a ten to twelve episode order,
Speaker 1: which is very, very very small. Hence why the casts
Speaker 1: were allegedly supposed to tape the reunion this month. The
Speaker 1: news broke out, this is not looking good for the cast.
Speaker 1: I have been hearing that the cast is scared, shaking
Speaker 1: in their boots. They are afraid of their jobs being
Speaker 1: on the line. Now, As somebody who's been watching this season,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this season thus far, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are having a very not some
Speaker 1: nice reaction to the season so far.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I, I guess and the minority, Like,
Speaker 3: I feel like I've been like kind of enjoying this season,
Speaker 3: and to me, it hasn't been like super divisive or
Speaker 3: explosive yet, like it's clearly building up to that. But like,
Speaker 3: I don't mind Melissa and Teresa kind of just coexisting.
Speaker 3: I don't like, I kind of like their kind of
Speaker 3: parallel path of like both sending off their daughters to college,
Speaker 3: and it's I've actually liked those scenes a lot, those
Speaker 3: personal scenes, and like, to me, that to me, actually,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm really really intrigued by the Jackie of
Speaker 3: it all, and like how she's jumping jumping sides. I
Speaker 3: think that that is incredibly compelling TV, especially knowing how
Speaker 3: kind of entrench the divide in this group has been
Speaker 3: for like five or six years at.
Speaker 2: This point, you know.
Speaker 3: And and so I'm actually I know it's in the minority,
Speaker 3: but I'm finding it to be fairly pleasant comparatively, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, do you not feel that
Speaker 3: way or are.
Speaker 2: You enjoying it too?
Speaker 1: So, no, good question. I really enjoyed the first episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the same It was a good premiere. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was a great premiere. I love seeing you know,
Speaker 1: Toree some Alyssa being mom sending their daughters off to college.
Speaker 1: It also made me choke a little bit too, because
Speaker 1: you know, as family, you want to share that moment together.
Speaker 1: And and look, I think the saddest part to me, Gibson,
Speaker 1: is the fact that the cousins aren't even able to
Speaker 1: share those absolutely together, because that's that's that's when you
Speaker 1: really bond over the fact that we're both about to
Speaker 1: be freshman in college. Like, oh my gosh, girl call
Speaker 1: me if this happens, I'm gonna call you.
Speaker 2: Let's visit each other exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I really enjoyed the premiere. And then to
Speaker 1: your point, look, this season is definitely starting off slow,
Speaker 1: and I think the reason why it is is because, look,
Speaker 1: they just don't like each other. They don't like each other.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you, actually, Gibson, last night's episode,
Speaker 1: I really was intrigued by Jackie and Melissa at the
Speaker 1: dinner table. We'll get to that in a second, but
Speaker 1: a lot of fans have said this season is boring.
Speaker 1: A lot of fans have just said they're not interested
Speaker 1: in it. They're even talking about The ratings have hit
Speaker 1: an all new series low for the fourteen season franchise.
Speaker 1: What has also been reported is the fact that in
Speaker 1: the finale episode allegedly brought this decision to its core
Speaker 1: of canceling the reunion. Allegedly, in the finale, it is
Speaker 1: being reported that this big fight happens between Jennifer Aiden
Speaker 1: and Danielle, and that allegedly a glass picture, like you
Speaker 1: know how you put you just make kool aid. I'm
Speaker 1: older than you give sense I remember the commercials Okay,
Speaker 1: so remember that little glass picture where you're red kool aid.
Speaker 1: Because rid is a flavor. It ain't Freu punch, It's rid.
Speaker 1: So allegedly, daniel through a glass picture at Jennifer Aiden
Speaker 1: and all hell broke blues, and it was very bad.
Speaker 1: And that's when it was allegedly decided that these women
Speaker 1: just cannot be in the same room. Do you think
Speaker 1: it was a smart decision to cancel it, or do
Speaker 1: you think these ladies would have had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: address it and maybe move on from something so severe.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have faith they would have
Speaker 3: moved on. I don't from that perspective. And like in
Speaker 3: terms of just like the potential for resolution, I kind
Speaker 3: of think that they're correct and that there's probably no
Speaker 3: chance for a real resolution here. I don't really buy
Speaker 3: that they that they made that decision back then, especially
Speaker 3: if you're saying, you know, they're apparently supposed to they
Speaker 3: are supposed to quote unquote film it this month, Like
Speaker 3: that means that to me, it was a more recent decision.
Speaker 3: And that's why I personally think that the whole thing
Speaker 3: with Jennifer Aiden and maybe Teresa and like the fan accounts,
Speaker 3: like all of that stuff that's been bubbling up. I
Speaker 3: think that that is like a really bad look for
Speaker 3: kind of everybody, like not even singly, just like kind
Speaker 3: of everybody involved. It's like not the best look, and
Speaker 3: that it breaks the fourth wall and like a really
Speaker 3: kind of like I don't know what the word is,
Speaker 3: but it bakes the forth wall in a way that
Speaker 3: like we don't like that, or the network does not
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, And I think that
Speaker 3: I and that's been a more recent development. I think
Speaker 3: that that actually had something to do with the runion
Speaker 3: getting canceled, because that's the way they don't want to
Speaker 3: give any air to you know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: that's the way they they would have to talk about
Speaker 3: I think that actually my hunch is at that had
Speaker 3: a factor in the decision that they made.
Speaker 2: So no, I don't think that there would have been
Speaker 2: a chance for a resolution.
Speaker 3: And but what I'm curious about, Carlos, and I'm wondering
Speaker 3: what you're thinking about this that the People article and
Speaker 3: then also the Page six article both sort of insinuated that,
Speaker 3: like there's a potential for like another way to wrap
Speaker 3: up the season. You know, it's not it's like they
Speaker 3: canceled the reunion, but like what is this quote like
Speaker 3: other way that they would like resolve the season. My
Speaker 3: only idea, and like I'm I would love to know
Speaker 3: if you have another idea, is like that they would
Speaker 3: just do what they do a bravocon, which is just like.
Speaker 2: Having two separate groups convene.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that would accomplish because we're not
Speaker 3: because there's no conflict resolution there, but they could still
Speaker 3: at least discuss what happened.
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that. Actually, did you moderate a
Speaker 1: Jersey panel? Gibson?
Speaker 3: I moderated on a Jersey panel at the first at
Speaker 3: the first Bravocon with So it wasn't the it wasn't
Speaker 3: the Jersey panel, but it was Teresa and Dolores on
Speaker 3: stage ten thirty am on the Sunday of Bravo Con
Speaker 3: cooking Sunday Sauce. We literally cooking spaghetti and sauce while
Speaker 3: I interviewed them. So that was five years ago.
Speaker 1: I love that, though, Okay, well, maybe we could have
Speaker 1: you back doing that. Actually, because I love that, that
Speaker 1: would be great. I'm not mad at that. You're right
Speaker 1: page six, and people are reporting that the network is
Speaker 1: in talks of doing something special to wrap up the season.
Speaker 1: One thing I will say, Bravo is by far one
Speaker 1: of the best in the business, and the reason why
Speaker 1: we all love Bravo is because the producer and the
Speaker 1: network they're genius at giving us something different that we
Speaker 1: never knew we needed until it fell into our laps.
Speaker 1: So I am curious what that can look like, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. Is there a sort of separate you know,
Speaker 1: panel discussion, and by panel, I don't mean like, you know,
Speaker 1: the a freaking like election debate, you know, George Stephanopolis. Okay,
Speaker 1: can you imagine? I don't think George Stephanopolis honey with
Speaker 1: Robert Roberts, Okay, like debating the Real Housewives. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: although seeing Teresa Melissa have a great debate would be
Speaker 1: everything in my world, So that okay, But I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Maybe there is like this separate but equal
Speaker 1: conversation that Andy has with both camps if you really
Speaker 1: want something iconic. Because I really enjoyed how Vanda Pump
Speaker 1: Rules part through reunion finalized. When Andy showed the cast
Speaker 1: for the first time the actual finale scene to get
Speaker 1: their natural reaction, I thought that was super genius. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw a bone out there and like, do what hell, Mary,
Speaker 1: you need to give Melissa and Teresa to just have
Speaker 1: a final face off. And I think, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think, listen, I know Teresa personally, and one thing
Speaker 1: about Teresa, she is a trooper and Teresa is professional.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Melissa is not. I'm sure she is too.
Speaker 1: I think if it was a situation, Gibson where Melissa
Speaker 1: and Teresa with Andy in the middle, this is it,
Speaker 1: this is it? What can you guys say to each
Speaker 1: other because you guys did not speak at all? Because
Speaker 1: my thing is this, conversations Gibson are very different when
Speaker 1: you don't have the backings of your co stars and
Speaker 1: your husbands, and your husbands who can be a just
Speaker 1: diction and who can help you deflect. I think Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen is the only person that can moderate a discussion
Speaker 1: between Teresa and Melissa that would be satisfying to the
Speaker 1: audience in terms of like, this is the end. It's
Speaker 1: the end. It's what we wanted to see Arianna and
Speaker 1: Tom sand evolve. Do like have a conversation? Finally we
Speaker 1: got some of that at the reunion and now that
Speaker 1: shows on pauls rightfully. So, do you think that in
Speaker 1: order for us to move on from this season, whatever
Speaker 1: this idea is, do you agree that you must give
Speaker 1: them a listen Teresa to have a final face off.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hadn't even thought about that, to be honest,
Speaker 3: I think I do agree they would have to be
Speaker 3: literally like one on one on one that nobody else
Speaker 3: could be there, because again there's two many I think
Speaker 3: it'd be really interesting and really, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: it would be a ratings juggernaut if it was literally
Speaker 3: just those three in a room and that it's just them,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: Not and it's not even a battle.
Speaker 3: I think would actually if they could present it almost
Speaker 3: it's just sort of like literally a discussion, and you know,
Speaker 3: I think you said, like you know, this is it,
Speaker 3: you would have to I also think make the stakes
Speaker 3: the same for both of them, which means I guess
Speaker 3: that means like the implication is that like the show is.
Speaker 2: Moved, like they're moving on from the show after this.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I feel like part of I mean,
Speaker 3: if you think about last reunion was when Teresa was like,
Speaker 3: I'll never see you again, like you're gonna basically you'll
Speaker 3: be off the show.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: She said that she had that comment to Melissa, and
Speaker 3: like that didn't happen, And so you can't have that
Speaker 3: sort of power and balance either. I think for for
Speaker 3: something like you just mentioned, to work, you know, I
Speaker 3: think it really has to feel equal. Is that is
Speaker 3: that possible to create an environment like that. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I mean I would. I would watch the hell
Speaker 3: out of that.
Speaker 1: That would be I think that's what it is. I
Speaker 1: think I think it has to be that. I think
Speaker 1: you also need listen. Bravo, if you're listening, take it.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. All good and you probably already
Speaker 1: thinking this because you guys are so smart. I want
Speaker 1: to see Melissa Teresa with Andy. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Final face Off Part three.
Speaker 2: Nothing else, anybody else?
Speaker 1: Part two Cliff Hanks for three. I also want to
Speaker 1: see this.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I want to see Andy and Jennifer eight in one
Speaker 1: on one. Really I want him. There is this very
Speaker 1: loud implication that he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't like Yeah, I've seen whispers of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, well, honey, it's not even whispers because Jennifer
Speaker 1: has even intimated the same thing, right Like Jennifer has,
Speaker 1: I believe, commented on a pok. Have you seen this?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Made me think?
Speaker 3: So? I will say, it's hard to keep up with everything, Jersey.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of noise around it, but I have
Speaker 3: seen something about this, yes, And.
Speaker 1: I think in order to have an epic finale to
Speaker 1: this show, let's just lay everything out on the fucking table.
Speaker 1: I want to see Jennifer aiden Andy just be like,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. I don't think you like me,
Speaker 1: And he's like, why don't you think I like you?
Speaker 1: And she can say whatever, But then he can also say,
Speaker 1: let's talk about you allegedly giving fan accounts screeners. Because
Speaker 1: one thing that I know about Andy, he is such
Speaker 1: a producer's producer that he, like me, dislikes when you
Speaker 1: compromise production. Sure, you like it's one thing that throws
Speaker 1: shade at the girls, the cass whatever, we get it.
Speaker 1: But when you implicate the integrity of the show. And
Speaker 1: again I'm not saying Jennifer did. This is all alleged.
Speaker 1: This is all alleged, but I think it's such it's
Speaker 1: such a dark cloud over this season exactly that to
Speaker 1: not ever talk about it. I think it's bad. But
Speaker 1: I think the only way to get around it is
Speaker 1: if Jennifer talks to Andy one on one the way
Speaker 1: Andy did to the artist formerly known as Raquel.
Speaker 2: Rachel, the artist artist formally known as FK.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, Yes, I enjoyed the one on one chat
Speaker 1: with Raquel because because for me, I think she's so
Speaker 1: I'm sensitive and Timid that he knew rightfully so that
Speaker 1: her amongst a large group getting all that venom would
Speaker 1: not be mentally healthy for her. So I really enjoy
Speaker 1: his one on one with her, and I think Jennifer
Speaker 1: aiden and himstrap the one on one. I don't see
Speaker 1: a world where Jennifer comes back.
Speaker 2: I think she dug her Ungrave a little bit.
Speaker 1: What do you think about all of that? Do you
Speaker 1: do you think that it's the end of the road
Speaker 1: for Jennifer.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Jennifer has been great for the
Speaker 3: show for that for as long as she's been on it.
Speaker 3: I mean, she she's she's kind of just like fearless
Speaker 3: in terms of bringing things up and really like putting
Speaker 3: it all out there, I mean, and really kind of
Speaker 3: like doing whatever it takes to make a good show.
Speaker 3: But I think that that is also kind of her
Speaker 3: achilles heel. I think it's I lump her in with
Speaker 3: like a brandy or somebody who kind of will do
Speaker 3: anything for the show, and that's a great thing until
Speaker 3: it's not, you know what I mean. And I think
Speaker 3: that it sounds like again allegedly we over she overstepped
Speaker 3: the line, you know, and and whatever that line really is.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll ever fully know what what
Speaker 3: that was, and maybe and less until she's off the
Speaker 3: show and she talks about it. But I just think
Speaker 3: that like Jennifer, she's she has this reckless part of
Speaker 3: her DNA, you know again, which makes for a really
Speaker 3: great and entertaining housewife, but that was always going to
Speaker 3: bite her in the butt in the end. I think
Speaker 3: I think that she got carried away. That's that's That's
Speaker 3: what I'm picking up from, just like the vibes basically,
Speaker 3: And she hasn't really done press for the show this
Speaker 3: season yet, like it's you can kind of it's hard
Speaker 3: not to see the writing on the wall with her,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: And just so I'm making sure you're clear too, because
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I want to make sure
Speaker 1: the audience knows. I think you and I agree on
Speaker 1: the same thing. Says this alleged being the happ with
Speaker 1: the fanoccount. I think. I think if you even you
Speaker 1: put the fan of count aside. I think when it
Speaker 1: came to Jennifer Aiden to your point, I was the
Speaker 1: first one to be like great housewife, great casting. I
Speaker 1: remember calling the casting company who I'm friends with and
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, I said, who the fuck found
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aiden, like, as somebody who worked on Jersey for
Speaker 1: two seasons. Jersey is a hard show to cast, right,
Speaker 1: And I remember calling the casting company giving them props, like,
Speaker 1: kudos to you. I think what happened with Jennifer? Who?
Speaker 1: I love who? I think she's a fantastic housewife and
Speaker 1: she she she's great. I think to your point, she
Speaker 1: sort of allowed the opinions and the loudness of the
Speaker 1: audience to feed into her behavior outside of the show,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of infiltrated on the show, and it's
Speaker 1: just not something that you can continuously do with staying power.
Speaker 1: And I think you bringing up Brandy Glanville is such
Speaker 1: a good example because Brandy's fate was the day she
Speaker 1: slapped Lisa Vanda Pump when they were in amste on
Speaker 1: the boat and it was sort of like, you're your
Speaker 1: great Brandy Glanvale set the ship on fire on Bibley
Speaker 1: Hill's house.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's no denying.
Speaker 1: No denying. And what what I need for my audience
Speaker 1: to know this. When you are reality star, you're instantly famous,
Speaker 1: you're instantly on the same level, and this is no
Speaker 1: shade as some of these actresses in Hollywood in terms
Speaker 1: of like just the level of fame. Garcel Bouvet has
Speaker 1: said publicly that she's been famous her whole life, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't until she got to her housewife that she
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, I'm like really, I'm like room
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing, it's a lot. And I think Brandy
Speaker 1: Glamville got caught up and like, this is my character,
Speaker 1: this is my role. When she slapped band of Pumpbob
Speaker 1: was like and through the drink at Eileen Gibson the
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Speaker 1: is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's
Speaker 1: get back into the show. There's rumors that Jersey may
Speaker 1: receive the same fate as New York City. When New
Speaker 1: York City Housewives Reunion got canceled, the show got put
Speaker 1: on Paul's and then a big announcement happened where they
Speaker 1: say we're going to reboot the entire show. We have
Speaker 1: a whole new slew of women on New York. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's going to happen to Jersey.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to tell because.
Speaker 3: On the one hand, you see kind of that some
Speaker 3: of the fan reaction to Danielle and Rachel, who I
Speaker 3: think at some point they were sort of being set
Speaker 3: up to be the future of the show in some ways,
Speaker 3: Like the season opened with the foods and we saw
Speaker 3: their whole extended family, and this is a family show, right,
Speaker 3: so it was hard not to read into that a
Speaker 3: little bit, at least for me to see of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe they're kind of positioning her to be next gen
Speaker 3: Jersey basically, but the fans don't seem to like be
Speaker 3: attached to them in the same positive way that they
Speaker 3: might want if they're trying to reboot a show around
Speaker 3: those two women, And it's it's like the idea of
Speaker 3: saying goodbye to every single one of these women is
Speaker 3: so I can't even comprehend it, you know, especially if
Speaker 3: you look at like a gen Vessler, who liked to
Speaker 3: me is on the trajectory of like she was a
Speaker 3: friend of last season. Now she's like a really significant
Speaker 3: friend of. She seems that she's poised to be a
Speaker 3: housewife next season. But if they're cleaning house I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that would be a little bit disappointing, to
Speaker 3: be honest, if they did complete overhaul. I do think
Speaker 3: the show obviously needs a huge overhaul, but it's hard
Speaker 3: not to see that parallel with New York. It's the
Speaker 3: only other time this has ever happened, and they took
Speaker 3: them all out, you know, and it's just Jersey is
Speaker 3: really one, a one of one franchise, and it's imagining
Speaker 3: Carlos imagining Jersey.
Speaker 2: Without any of these women, Like what even is that?
Speaker 2: What even is that? I don't Yeah, it's just hard
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 1: Who do you think? She'll say, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: my list.
Speaker 2: Too, Okay, who do I think and who I want
Speaker 2: are different?
Speaker 3: I think, if you but but I think if I
Speaker 3: think if what the network wants is to like really
Speaker 3: kind of like start fresh, I think you kind of
Speaker 3: have to take Teresa Moliss out of the equation because
Speaker 3: there's too much history and there's too much passionate feeling
Speaker 3: about both of them, both positively and negatively from different
Speaker 3: sides of the fan base. I think, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is such a hard question. Jennifer Aiden. Again, I
Speaker 3: think we talked about that. I don't see her continuing
Speaker 3: on the show. I mean, I think maybe you reboot
Speaker 3: around Buddha, Cabral and Fessler. I guess. I guess because
Speaker 3: they're the new gen people. But again, I just don't
Speaker 3: know if there's the investment in them yet for that
Speaker 3: to really make sense. And I get that's sort of
Speaker 3: where I'm landing. I guess right now, if I'm thinking
Speaker 3: like they might be thinking, yeah, incomplete answer, but.
Speaker 1: No, No, that was completely No. You pretty much said
Speaker 1: your thoughts are, in order to do a soft reboot,
Speaker 1: keep Rachel, Danielle and Jim Fessler and then cast around them.
Speaker 1: Because what you're saying is, obviously, if you want to
Speaker 1: do a soft reboot, you can't do that with the
Speaker 1: residue of tore.
Speaker 2: You're putting into better words than I could.
Speaker 1: I'm following, following, I'm following. No, No, I got you, I
Speaker 1: got you. I will always say this and people can say,
Speaker 1: Carlos get out of her ass, and that's fine. You
Speaker 1: guys have been saying that, and some people have said, like, no,
Speaker 1: we agree with you. I sneak my mind. I don't
Speaker 1: give a ship if people disagree with it. I think
Speaker 1: it's a fun debate again, call me Meghan, He's joy. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I personally and professionally, because one thing about me Gibson,
Speaker 1: I can take away my feelings about people I know
Speaker 1: personally and really looked as the viewer. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can watch Jersey without Teresa being in
Speaker 1: the mix. Similarly to how I don't think I could
Speaker 1: ever watch Beverley Hills without Kyle.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that would look like. I think
Speaker 1: I think every show, to me should have a season
Speaker 1: one og on the cast. OC, for example, is having
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. OC for example, has had top three of
Speaker 1: their best scenes is of all time. When Tamar Judge
Speaker 1: came back, And although tamer Judge was a season two housewife,
Speaker 1: nobody was watching season one of OC.
Speaker 2: So you know she's a fact of og like Sonia
Speaker 2: New York kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's like technically yes, season two, but she
Speaker 1: is one and two.
Speaker 2: Love them together right exactly.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. We'll call season one a soft pilot,
Speaker 1: like come on, okay, so Tamra Judge coming back to
Speaker 1: oh see, it just did something to that franchise and
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that show. Now and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see this upcoming season. So that's the reason why
Speaker 1: for me, I just can't see the show without Teresa.
Speaker 1: I think Melissa and Joe and listen, guys, I do
Speaker 1: mean this when I say this. I think Melissa and
Speaker 1: Joe are great reality stars as a couple, and I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to do with them outside of
Speaker 1: the show. My opinion, I think I think there's other
Speaker 1: programs that they could be a part of where they
Speaker 1: can stay in the Bravo family. I the thing about
Speaker 1: Melissa and Teresa is this, every show has a force multiplier.
Speaker 1: It's a safer word than saying queen bee, because no
Speaker 1: woman does not want to think she's the Queen Bee
Speaker 1: of the show. So I cannot If this is my opinion,
Speaker 1: I cannot see Melissa leading a show as the lead.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't see it. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: when the Supremes went away. Could you really see Martha
Speaker 1: replacing Diana Ross? No, you need Diana Ross. And to me,
Speaker 1: Teresa is the Diana Ross of Jersey because of what
Speaker 1: she's given to the show, and to me, she's the
Speaker 1: face of it. And that's the only reason why my
Speaker 1: list would include Teresa, Danielle, Rachel, and some new people.
Speaker 1: And I think Jackie and Jen can remain friends of
Speaker 1: I don't want to see them full time, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like i'd be friends.
Speaker 3: I guess my my pushback to my my devil's advocate
Speaker 3: point to the Teresa staying on thing is like, if
Speaker 3: you're gonna have one of them stay on, I completely
Speaker 3: get base of the show, force multiplier, all those things,
Speaker 3: but I do think that if you look at like
Speaker 3: Teresa's recent track record with new people, it's not great,
Speaker 3: and like it's like maybe for one season they're in
Speaker 3: her corner and then they they see some sort of
Speaker 3: something about her and they jump to the other side
Speaker 3: of the coin. I do think Melissa, even though I
Speaker 3: kind of see what you're saying in terms of like
Speaker 3: leading a show, what would that look like? I think
Speaker 3: she's much more open to new faces and new people
Speaker 3: and welcoming them in in a more substantial way almost
Speaker 3: that That's sort of how I look at it. But
Speaker 3: so if you're gonna keep one of them, that's why
Speaker 3: I'm sort of.
Speaker 1: Like, what, Okay, okay, who would you keep over Melissa?
Speaker 1: To research? Melissa?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for that reason.
Speaker 3: For that reason because and I also think if you
Speaker 3: if you really want to reboot the show, it's not
Speaker 3: rebooting if you keep Treesa or Melissa.
Speaker 2: Really, but.
Speaker 3: What what is the what does reboot even mean if
Speaker 3: you're keeping four people?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I know, but this but that's why I had
Speaker 1: to break it back to the OC. I think they
Speaker 1: did a genius job when they brought Tamra Judge back,
Speaker 1: because you had Shannon, Heather all forgot about Hew. You
Speaker 1: had Heather, but.
Speaker 3: Heather but had the difference that Heather needed Tamra to
Speaker 3: really Heather needed Tamra and having an adversary that first
Speaker 3: Tamer's first season back, because when Heather first came back
Speaker 3: that one season, she was the force multiplier, queen Bee,
Speaker 3: but she didn't have anybody that could reach her level,
Speaker 3: who wasn't intimidated by her, that wasn't worshiping the ground
Speaker 3: she washed right exactly, And so they she needed a
Speaker 3: camera to really make her return work.
Speaker 2: And that's I think also what we helped.
Speaker 1: Yea agree no, agree, agree for sure. It's so hard listen,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's going to be very interesting. And and
Speaker 1: and I and I will say this as well. I
Speaker 1: think Teresa could have a spinoff. I would love to
Speaker 1: see Teresa and the girls and her family and Louis
Speaker 1: and everybody and and sort of a car dashing in
Speaker 1: or don't be tardy for the partying her life. I
Speaker 1: think that would also be great. And then it's hard.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's it's just it's just I get
Speaker 3: exacerbated because it's like it's almost like it's an impossible
Speaker 3: problem to solve. But and I the last thing I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say is like about them is like for me,
Speaker 3: it's hard now to divorce Teresa, Louis from Teresa, and
Speaker 3: I Teresa on her own to me is different than
Speaker 3: Louis with Teresa. And I think Louis once he entered
Speaker 3: the picture on this show, I think that's when like
Speaker 3: things took a turn for the worse in terms of
Speaker 3: the divide, in terms of sort of the ugliness behind
Speaker 3: the scenes. That's sort of that's my opinion. And I
Speaker 3: think that that that, to me, is part of the
Speaker 3: reason why the women don't want to be in that
Speaker 3: shared space. Personally, I think that he's a little he
Speaker 3: has that same like sort of reckless I'll do anything
Speaker 3: nature that that Jen has, but to honestly a more
Speaker 3: intense state. I think so that I find him to
Speaker 3: be tough.
Speaker 1: This is what this is what I would also do
Speaker 1: with Jersey. I think I think the man on the
Speaker 1: show should take a back seat.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, Carlos.
Speaker 1: I think, okay, because when I worked on season one
Speaker 1: and two, Season two, to me is the best Jersey season.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing season.
Speaker 1: I mean we had Kim D, Kim G, Danny Boyd,
Speaker 1: the security on a time to be alive, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll talk later. It was I mean Teresa chasing Danielle
Speaker 1: do OKAYI legendary, legendary. The men were not on the
Speaker 1: show every episode. I mean Albert Manzell was running the Brownstone,
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, Joe Judais was too busy doing what
Speaker 1: he was doing right. And then you had jack Oline's husband,
Speaker 1: Chris Loreta, who you never saw. He never wanted to speak.
Speaker 1: It was it was Dan Yell to have a man right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about the men. So my advice to would
Speaker 1: be this whole bromance was cute. At one point, I'm over,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see Joe Gorga Frank Catania kissing
Speaker 1: each other's ass with bunny ears, like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see that anymore. I don't care what the men think.
Speaker 1: I think John Feuda is hilarious. I think that whole
Speaker 1: spat he happened Theresa to me was funny, but it
Speaker 1: did come across a little thirsty. Yeah, house like, oh,
Speaker 1: whatever you have been. It's like, but wait a second,
Speaker 1: let your wife get some shy John Like.
Speaker 3: It's like, why why is he having the second season
Speaker 3: housewife glow up? As as as the husband of the housewife,
Speaker 3: you know, like that's just too It's that just shows
Speaker 3: you that they're too involved, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yes, it just shows I don't I think the
Speaker 1: other saving grace to the Jersey Show is limit the
Speaker 1: men is I'm not into it anymore. I think I
Speaker 1: think when you guys are at home and it's your husband, great.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the brothers and the and
Speaker 1: the homeboys at the restaurant or like playing sports. And please,
Speaker 1: for the love of God, can we not shoot Delora's
Speaker 1: charity baseball game. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. Dolores.
Speaker 1: I like you, by the way, and she knows that
Speaker 1: I love Laura.
Speaker 2: I love Dolores so much.
Speaker 1: Do we keep God?
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe just rebooth the entire show on Dolores, like,
Speaker 3: come on to me, Like to me seeing Dolores in
Speaker 3: that scene that they showed at the very top of
Speaker 3: the season from I think the finale, sitting there at
Speaker 3: that table, glasses strewn everywhere, she looking, She's looking just
Speaker 3: like an HBI C sitting at them. Like, to me,
Speaker 3: that just felt right, you know, it just felt chills.
Speaker 3: I love her, I loved I.
Speaker 1: Loved her too. I feel bad Dolores. You know I
Speaker 1: love you. I'm so sorry you have to keep Dolores though.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I made.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's just a connector to me, She's a
Speaker 3: connector and it's and it's authentic to me. It's it's
Speaker 3: genuine that she people want her to pick sides. I
Speaker 3: think that she actually authentically wants to be this way
Speaker 3: that she is.
Speaker 2: And she's a she's a she's a true.
Speaker 3: I don't know, she sees the best in people in
Speaker 3: a way that I just believe and and I just like.
Speaker 1: That about her.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: Okay, my list has changed and I'll move on okay, Dolores,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Okay, so my new list Oh gosh, Teresa, Dolores.
Speaker 2: And Dad yell wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but bye, by the way, by the way,
Speaker 4: by the way, as we get into recapping Sunday's episode,
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 1: One word for Rachel Feuda and what is that word? Finally, okay,
Speaker 1: she stepped out the shadows of her listen. I like
Speaker 1: it when someone can stand up for themselves absolutely, And
Speaker 1: my issue with Rachel the first two episodes was, Honey,
Speaker 1: your husband is wearing a true religion mini skirt and
Speaker 1: I'm going to need him to hand it back up
Speaker 1: at Envy or box it up and ship it to
Speaker 1: Antonia's College because he is taking your spot.
Speaker 2: Okay, not the skirt, Carlos.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Gibson, Jane Feuda was wearing a mini skirt.
Speaker 1: At least I'd have said double sided dil do?
Speaker 2: I mean, hello, give yourself some credit. Yeah, at least
Speaker 2: you didn't say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you. By the way, can someone
Speaker 1: sponsored my podcast with double sided dil dos? You guys
Speaker 1: are like sleeping on me. Okay, anyway, I want to
Speaker 1: promote you guys, seriously, Okay, I I thought Rachel was funny.
Speaker 1: I thought she listen. I thought she was brave. I
Speaker 1: thought she was hilarious. I thought like, okay, girl, get activated.
Speaker 1: I was here for it. But that's what happens when
Speaker 1: the husbands aren't in the scene. What did you think
Speaker 1: about that epic the inner scene?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great scene overall.
Speaker 3: I think I think some of the comments and accusations
Speaker 3: being made sort of across the table, some of them
Speaker 3: rang a little hollow or like fell a little flat.
Speaker 2: But the delivery was great.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, you know what, I'll take this, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, like I think Rachel saying
Speaker 3: to Teresa, like, you know, you went to prison and
Speaker 3: you haven't built anything for yourself, Like that's just kind
Speaker 3: of objectively not true. You know, she raised four dollars
Speaker 3: on her own and sent them to college and is
Speaker 3: rebuilt her life. Like you can't take that away from her.
Speaker 3: That's just that's just an amazing accomplishment. But then like
Speaker 3: vice versa, it's like Teresa like she just kind of
Speaker 3: was just like calling her like too young and immature,
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, well that's not really like the yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not really a read, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then she kind of pulled herself out of the
Speaker 3: situation with the gift box, which I'm glad you took
Speaker 3: her took her gift box. So yeah, and like so
Speaker 3: I thought that, like some of the back and forth
Speaker 3: was great, some of it didn't really work, but like overall,
Speaker 3: all of them airing in their shit out and like
Speaker 3: having it having it not cross the line, it shows
Speaker 3: they can still have still do that. You know, it
Speaker 3: shows they can still they can still spar in a
Speaker 3: way that that is watchable.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a very watchable final scene of
Speaker 3: the episode.
Speaker 1: You know, no could not agree more. I really, I
Speaker 1: watch it twice because gods, we're not watching Housewives to
Speaker 1: understand who is leading the primary in the election now, No,
Speaker 1: like we we love a dinner scene. The quintessential Housewives
Speaker 1: scene is a dinner scene with the women. To the point,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, Gibson, as a former Housewives producer,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, whenever the girls knew they
Speaker 1: were having dinner, they would say, oh fuck, whose turn
Speaker 1: is it tonight?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean they still.
Speaker 1: They every housewife knows when they're about to have dinner,
Speaker 1: they all say to each other. That's why if you so, guys,
Speaker 1: if you ever watch a dinner scene, pay close attention
Speaker 1: to what happens at the beginning. They all look kind
Speaker 1: of nervous and on edge and on alert. Always watch
Speaker 1: the beginning when they when they how's it going? Oh hey,
Speaker 1: they're not like, hey, my god, you look great. Yes,
Speaker 1: they all are like hey, because they they all are
Speaker 1: figuring out who is going to be in the hot
Speaker 1: seat tonight.
Speaker 3: They're all miss Juicy walking and being like, hey, hell,
Speaker 3: y'all do Yes, that's the.
Speaker 1: Little Women's fan I live for you. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. So I enjoyed it. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: watching Housewives. I want to see that moment you made
Speaker 1: it up point earlier that I want to get back
Speaker 1: to baby. I'm here for Jackie. Go Schneider, I mean
Speaker 1: what happened? Because I still don't know yet. Maybe come
Speaker 1: out later this season. You were right, Melissa, Margaret and
Speaker 1: Jackie had this sisterhood best a friend. Margaret and Jackie
Speaker 1: were like.
Speaker 3: Two peas in a post and it was real and
Speaker 3: it was real. They would like to me it was
Speaker 3: a real sisterhood too. That's what makes it, That's what
Speaker 3: makes their reaction so strong to Jackie flipping.
Speaker 1: Why did Jackie quote unquote flip.
Speaker 2: I don't think we fully know.
Speaker 3: I think it has way more to do with Margaret.
Speaker 3: It's definitely Margaret focus. I think she's even said this
Speaker 3: in an interview recently. I want to say she was
Speaker 3: like Melissa and I barely had any problems this season.
Speaker 2: It's more she's.
Speaker 3: Just more kind of in Jackie's words, she's calling Melissa
Speaker 3: sort of a mouthpiece from Margaret, and like that sort
Speaker 3: of her view of it.
Speaker 2: But I think, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it remains to be seen sort of what Jackie's
Speaker 3: true reasoning is, right, But I do think that from
Speaker 3: Melissa and Margaret's side, you can't take the show out
Speaker 3: of what Jackie's doing, even if there are some genuine,
Speaker 3: real reasonings and emotions coming from Jackie's side of like
Speaker 3: maybe Margaret wasn't good enough friend, or she was too
Speaker 3: demanding as a friend, or did something or spread something
Speaker 3: about her. Who knows, But I think it's kind of
Speaker 3: hard to not read Jackie's movement this season as not
Speaker 3: having to do with Okay, let me mix it up
Speaker 3: let me because last season she was a friend, she
Speaker 3: was demoted to a friend of last season didn't get
Speaker 3: that much screen time other than her feud with Danielle,
Speaker 3: like that didn't really go anywhere. Then we get into
Speaker 3: this season, it's like, okay, and again I'm not this
Speaker 3: is this is not even criticism. It's kind of I admire,
Speaker 3: like somebody mixing it up for the show. And she's
Speaker 3: sort of like, what would be unexpected. Oh, that's sort
Speaker 3: of how I think you have to That has to
Speaker 3: be a factor in my personal opinion, because again, Jackie
Speaker 3: wants to keep the paycheck, she wants to keep the job.
Speaker 3: That's not a criticism, that's just kind of a fact
Speaker 3: of all of them. So but I think that that's
Speaker 3: what makes Margaret and Melissa's reactions kind of so strong.
Speaker 3: They're they're seeing what she's doing, She's moving towards this side.
Speaker 3: These people that I mean, Jackie and Teresa, I mean
Speaker 3: they've had two huge I mean Jackie's first season when
Speaker 3: she brought up the prison thing, like in her second
Speaker 3: episode or whatever that was, Remember that her and Teresa
Speaker 3: got out of it, got after it, and then the
Speaker 3: whole thing about the rumor about Evan and calling calling
Speaker 3: the daughter the sea word, and like all these things.
Speaker 2: It's like that, how can you just like a race,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I win exactly.
Speaker 3: Those were real, Those were real, deep feelings that Jackie
Speaker 3: held about Teresa, and they both kind of did low
Speaker 3: blows about each other. So it's sort of like, I
Speaker 3: believe Jackie's done self work. I believe she's done healing
Speaker 3: and kind of gotten past maybe some of the petty
Speaker 3: or stuff, but that was deep, you know, and to
Speaker 3: just kind of like wipe that to the side and
Speaker 3: for the season, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I listen, Jackie, I had no idea you had it
Speaker 1: in you. I love a calculated housewife, baby, because the
Speaker 1: thing is this, to Gibson's point, it's a paycheck baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys aren't on the show. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of you are just to be famous because
Speaker 1: a lot of y'all already have money. But I think
Speaker 1: once you get a taste of housewife fame, because there's
Speaker 1: a difference between reality fame and the housewife fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: housewife fame, you're famous in twenty four hours. It's instant.
Speaker 1: Diana Jenkins, I mean it was she That's why that's
Speaker 1: why she said, fuck the show. I'm getting away from
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Housewives. I'm gonna hang out with Elton John.
Speaker 1: I'm super rich. I thought it would be fun. The
Speaker 1: moment you realize you guys are this insane at most
Speaker 1: times when it comes to your obsession over every detail
Speaker 1: of my life. You could be famous on NAJD Fiance. Honey,
Speaker 1: it ain't the same with.
Speaker 2: It's not the same.
Speaker 3: Different different ballparks, different different and not just different games,
Speaker 3: different stadiums. Yeah, one a stadium, one to an arena
Speaker 3: like it's and the difference is that it's also like
Speaker 3: a potentially lifelong thing can be a decade long thing,
Speaker 3: you know, it can be a house I staying lasts
Speaker 3: a long time. Once you have that label, you can
Speaker 3: ride that out for a long time. We've seen a
Speaker 3: million people do it, you know, and I uh on
Speaker 3: the one how you got You got to admire Jackie
Speaker 3: for for changing up for herself and kind of kind
Speaker 3: of clinging to it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm fine with that. And that's the reason
Speaker 1: why again, Rachel Fuda, congratulations, you entertain me. Yes, And
Speaker 1: one thing I can say to you, Rachel, because I
Speaker 1: know Teresa personally. Teresa loves somebody who can give her
Speaker 1: a good fight. I promise you she's She's Teresa's attitude
Speaker 1: gibs and is bring it like, bring it to me,
Speaker 1: respect it. She respects it. She respects a person who
Speaker 1: can stand up to her. So, Rachel, great job is
Speaker 1: the reason why she can now coexist with Jackie after
Speaker 1: what you mentioned earlier their spat because she always respected
Speaker 1: that this bess Jackie just won't go down like fuck
Speaker 1: a cock road, you can't stop on our killer. She
Speaker 1: rise like a phoenix.
Speaker 3: Didn't you die at that little scene where they're getting
Speaker 3: massages or facials or whatever it was, and they're calling
Speaker 3: Jackie and then they hang up in Teresa's like, let
Speaker 3: me follow her again.
Speaker 2: That was funny. That was really funny.
Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you, guys, housewives is a sport. Yes,
Speaker 1: I always said this to you, but y'all read me, Carlos. No,
Speaker 1: they're a lot of these women are not friends in
Speaker 1: real life. It's an alliance. It's an alliance about how
Speaker 1: can we coexist on this show because you can easily
Speaker 1: get fired, and a lot of these women never think
Speaker 1: that they will come, but they are afraid it will come,
Speaker 1: and like Gibson said, they'll do whatever they can't to
Speaker 1: make themselves relevant for the show. So when Teresa say,
Speaker 1: let me just follow her cause again, you would think
Speaker 1: the words that Teresa and Jackie said to each other
Speaker 1: would like submit totally ability. But Teresa is sort of like,
Speaker 1: I respect a broad who can give it to me
Speaker 1: and I can give it back to her again. Rachel,
Speaker 1: you did that, John, let your wife be the wife,
Speaker 1: and I'll end it with that. Okay, give said this
Speaker 1: was a great We kind of agreed on a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, kudos to both of us.
Speaker 2: Of us honestly, so I like that for us.
Speaker 3: I love that I feel like and I feel like ultimately,
Speaker 3: last thing I'll say is just like the future of Jersey.
Speaker 3: It's like, understandably such a big question mark, and I
Speaker 3: don't think there's one right answer to how.
Speaker 2: To fix it.
Speaker 3: I really don't, But I do think it's undeniable that
Speaker 3: needs fixing. But I well, going back to what we
Speaker 3: talked about the very top, I'm not as I'm not
Speaker 3: as down on this season as a lot of people
Speaker 3: seem to be. I think there's things to be intrigued by,
Speaker 3: there's things things to be entertained by.
Speaker 2: So I'm not writing it off.
Speaker 3: Even though we might not get any sort of reunion
Speaker 3: thing whatever, I'm not writing it off.
Speaker 2: And I like a lot of these women, I really do.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with I'm with you and listen. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we'll get something. Yes, So
Speaker 1: guys keep watching The Real Housewahs New Jersey every Sunday,
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, seven Central on BravoTV, because again, we're going
Speaker 1: to get something. It may not be a traditional reunion,
Speaker 1: but we will get something to satisfy our taste. Bud,
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