Speaker 1: Good Wednesday morning. Nice to have you with us.
Speaker 2: It's verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you
Speaker 2: and Senator We're gonna get some redows on some cover
Speaker 2: ups on the Democratic Party. Apparently this is gonna be
Speaker 2: music to many people's ears on accountability.
Speaker 3: Well, the FBI has announced three brand new investigations on
Speaker 3: stories that just broke, things that just happened yesterday. So,
Speaker 3: just yesterday, cocaine was found in the White House. Just yesterday,
Speaker 3: there was a secret leak from the Supreme Court of
Speaker 3: a decision the court had not yet issued. It was
Speaker 3: a decision overturning Roe versus Weight. It was shocking, it
Speaker 3: was incredible, and I'll tell you the FBI was on it.
Speaker 3: And just yesterday, unbelievably, a pipe bomb was planted outside
Speaker 3: the DNC. It was on the day of the certification
Speaker 3: of what ended up being the certification of Joe Biden's presidency.
Speaker 3: And all three of these, understandably when they occur, they
Speaker 3: were major news stories, horrific crimes, grotesque violation of laws.
Speaker 3: So of course the FBI devoted all of the resources
Speaker 3: to discover nothing. Well, we have a new FBI, We
Speaker 3: have a new DJ, And now the FBI and DJ
Speaker 3: is going back to do what they should have done
Speaker 3: years ago when these stories actually happen. They're going to
Speaker 3: go investigate and I hope they're gonna find find that
Speaker 3: the wrong doers, find the criminals, prosecute them, and put
Speaker 3: them in jail. Also, we're going to look into recent
Speaker 3: comments and actions by the former head of the FBI,
Speaker 3: that crack law enforcement official who managed not to investigate, uh,
Speaker 3: those crimes. We just talked about James Comy, who who
Speaker 3: spent the entire Trump presidenc here much of the Trump presidency,
Speaker 3: undermining the President of the United States, attacking the President
Speaker 3: of the United States until finally he was rightly fired.
Speaker 3: He's made some comments that are that are nothing short
Speaker 3: of shocking. Uh and and and he is effectively called
Speaker 3: for the assassination of the President of the United States.
Speaker 3: You might think that as hyperbole, but we're going to
Speaker 3: break down exactly what James Comey did. And and finally,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about a lawsuit that NPR has filed. NPR,
Speaker 3: National Public Radio, has filed a lawsuit saying that President
Speaker 3: Trump trying to cut off taxpayer funding for their wildly partisan, biased,
Speaker 3: dishonest reporting. Well, their allegation is that not paying for
Speaker 3: that wildly dishonest partisan reporting violates the First Amendment to
Speaker 3: the Constitution, that the First Amendment mandates that you and
Speaker 3: I and all of us pay for NPR's lying. We're
Speaker 3: going to explain that the the absolute nonsense of that lawsuit,
Speaker 3: and and we're going to we're going to get into
Speaker 3: the details right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really an incredible story.
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Speaker 2: And you had some humor there in the in the
Speaker 2: lead up to this topic, because it is insane that
Speaker 2: we had these three massive investigations that got us no information.
Speaker 1: Everybody just moved on.
Speaker 2: In the last administration and the opening up of these investigations.
Speaker 1: Yet again by the FBI.
Speaker 2: I don't think this should be looked at is a
Speaker 2: issue of like revenge. It's an issue of just is
Speaker 2: it clearly didn't happen and was covered up in the past.
Speaker 3: Well understand that when you're dealing with the politicization and
Speaker 3: weaponization of the Department of Justice and the FBI and
Speaker 3: the law enforcement apparatus, there are two components of it.
Speaker 3: One component of it is using it as a weapon
Speaker 3: to attack your political opponents. We saw Joe Biden the
Speaker 3: Democrats do that over and over and over again, most
Speaker 3: notably when they indicted Donald Trump, not once, not twice,
Speaker 3: not three times, four separate times. That was a clear
Speaker 3: illustration of weaponization. It was designed ultimately to fight democracy.
Speaker 3: It was designed because they were terrified the voters would
Speaker 3: do what in fact they did in November re elect
Speaker 3: Donald J.
Speaker 4: Trump as President of the United States.
Speaker 3: But there's another aspect of weaponization, and that is refusing
Speaker 3: to investigate crime, refusing to enforce the law against your
Speaker 3: friends and political allies, and we saw the Biden Department
Speaker 3: of Justice, the Biden FBI do that over and over
Speaker 3: and over again. And these three cases are among the
Speaker 3: most egregious. You know you're and my friend Dan Bongino. So,
Speaker 3: Dan Bongino is now the Deputy Director of the FBI.
Speaker 3: Cash Fortells, the Director of the FBI. Dan tweeted out
Speaker 3: this week the following a few updates, the Director and
Speaker 3: I have most of our incoming reform teams in place
Speaker 3: by next week. The hiring process can take a little
Speaker 3: bit of time, but we are approaching that finish line.
Speaker 3: This will help us both in doubling down on our
Speaker 3: reform agenda. Shortly after swearing in, the Director and I
Speaker 3: evaluated a number of cases of potential public corruption that
Speaker 3: understandably have garnered public interest. We made the decision to
Speaker 3: either reopen or push additional resources and investigative attention to
Speaker 3: these cases. These cases are number one, the DC pipe
Speaker 3: bombing investigation, Number two the cocaine discovery at the prior
Speaker 3: administration's White House, and number three the leak of the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court Stops case. I receive requested briefings on these
Speaker 3: cases weekly and we are making progress if you have
Speaker 3: any investigative tips on these matters that may assist us,
Speaker 3: then please contact the FBI. That is really significant, and
Speaker 3: and and and by the way, I'm I'm gonna add
Speaker 3: a fourth one that is not in this tweet, but
Speaker 3: it is something that both Cash Battel and Don Bongino
Speaker 3: and also Pambondi have committed to, which is transparency regarding
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. And I will say that Jeffrey Epstein sex
Speaker 3: trafficking case was grotesque. I think the American people need
Speaker 3: to know every name in that little black book. I
Speaker 3: think they need to know the clients. I think they
Speaker 3: need to know everyone who participated uh in in in
Speaker 3: the child sex trafficking. And I do believe I've had
Speaker 3: multiple conversations with Pambondi, with Cash Patel, with Dan Bongino
Speaker 3: about it. I do believe we will see transparency. I
Speaker 3: know a lot of people are frustrated that we haven't
Speaker 3: seen all that information yet. My understanding from those conference
Speaker 3: conversations is on Epstein, there is a vast trove of information,
Speaker 3: much of which implicates miners. And what I've been told
Speaker 3: is that is they are working to put it in
Speaker 3: a format where it can be released where you don't.
Speaker 3: Where you don't release, say, video of a miner being
Speaker 3: sexually assaulted, which would obviously be inappropriate for protecting that child,
Speaker 3: a little boy or girl should not have that image
Speaker 3: released by the government for the world. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, the assaulter, the criminal, his image should be released.
Speaker 3: And I have every expectation we will see transparency on
Speaker 3: that front, and I will continue asking both of the
Speaker 3: Department of Justice and FBI to provide transparency and pressing
Speaker 3: them to do so as fast as possible. But on
Speaker 3: these three cases as well. Look, let's take him one
Speaker 3: at a time. Cocaine in the West wing of the
Speaker 3: White House? All right, Ben, you worked in the West Wing.
Speaker 3: Tell me how big a deal would it be when
Speaker 3: you worked to the George W. Bush White House. Can
Speaker 3: you imagine the reaction if cocaine were found in that
Speaker 3: White House?
Speaker 2: No, And it would have been a wall to wall story,
Speaker 2: and it would have been twenty four to seven, and
Speaker 2: the media would have dug and dug and dug and
Speaker 2: demanded answers, and they would not have let up until
Speaker 2: they had a name or someone who had been fired
Speaker 2: or dismissed, and they would have also been I think
Speaker 2: tmz'ed it where they would have said, how many people
Speaker 2: are high at the White House, how many people are
Speaker 2: around the Situation Room, which, by the way, this cocaine
Speaker 2: was not far from the stories would have exploded to
Speaker 2: hurt Ben Jordan's bush.
Speaker 3: Ben, explain to people where this work, where this was,
Speaker 3: because you said it wasn't far from the situation room,
Speaker 3: You're right, But get people a sense of the layout
Speaker 3: of the West Wing and where's.
Speaker 4: Thatchly this was.
Speaker 2: If you walk in the West Wing from basically the
Speaker 2: EEO be the Old Executive or the Eisenhower Building, there's
Speaker 2: kind of a breezeway and when you walk in there.
Speaker 3: For you, I want to stop you for a second.
Speaker 3: There is an interesting divide in Washington, and you can
Speaker 3: tell how long someone has been in Washington by what
Speaker 3: acronym you use, and you actually just use both of them.
Speaker 1: Yes, so there's a bill ridging the gap there, did you?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 3: But I want to explain it to our listeners because
Speaker 3: this is this is a very insidery little thing, but
Speaker 3: it is kind of funny and it's real. So there's
Speaker 3: a giant building right next to the White House, that
Speaker 3: is the Executive Office Building, And a lot of the
Speaker 3: offices that are said to be quote in the White
Speaker 3: House are actually in that building. That building is much
Speaker 3: bigger than the White House and is part of the
Speaker 3: White House campus. So when you enter the White House grounds,
Speaker 3: if you're walking up Executive Avenue, on the right is
Speaker 3: the West Wing. On the left, it is the Executive
Speaker 3: Office Building. Now, the folks who have been in DC
Speaker 3: a long time, they call that the OEO B.
Speaker 4: Why is that?
Speaker 3: That stands for the Old Executive Office Building.
Speaker 4: So the O is OEO B.
Speaker 3: And at some point, and I don't know what year,
Speaker 3: actually maybe when we're talking you can google it and
Speaker 3: give us the answer, Bend. But at some point they
Speaker 3: renamed the building the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. They put
Speaker 3: up a sign that says Eisenhower Executive Office Building. And
Speaker 3: so now it's called EO B. And you can tell
Speaker 3: people who I would say, have been to d C
Speaker 3: in the last decade or two they call it the
Speaker 3: EO B and old farts. And you're actually young enough,
Speaker 3: you're not fully an old fart exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take pride in that, by the way, and
Speaker 2: by the way, I can tell you when they changed
Speaker 2: the name.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this?
Speaker 3: I heard you typing when I said use the Google.
Speaker 3: You click clacked on your keyboard, so I knew you
Speaker 3: had an answer.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: President Bill Clinton approved legislation changing the name on November
Speaker 2: the ninth of nineteen ninety nine from the old Executive
Speaker 2: Office Building, too, was renamed the Dwight D. Eisenhower Executive
Speaker 2: Office Building. So there you go, ninety nine, November ninth.
Speaker 3: So that's just a quick aside, and you can really
Speaker 3: tell someone's So.
Speaker 4: Look, I came to d C.
Speaker 3: I was a law clerk in d C in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety five to ninety six, and then I was a
Speaker 3: law clerk at the Supreme Court in ninety six to
Speaker 3: ninety seven. And so when I first moved there, it
Speaker 3: was called the OEO B. So I'm just barely on
Speaker 3: the old old fart line of it. You said it
Speaker 3: was renamed in nineteen ninety nine, so you're very much
Speaker 3: on the young fart nine line of it.
Speaker 4: And yet I like that you use them both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a it's a cool building. And you
Speaker 2: can also all we always we always used to laugh
Speaker 2: because you can always tell who was full of it,
Speaker 2: and who was lying if they said they worked in
Speaker 2: the White House and then they actually worked in the EOB.
Speaker 1: I called on a second like, wait, wait are they are?
Speaker 2: They are they flexing saying that they work in the
Speaker 2: West Wing when they really don't because ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: of the staff does not work in the actual White House.
Speaker 1: Yes, say works EO B.
Speaker 3: And so the White House itself, you've got a lot
Speaker 3: of the White House that's like a museum and that
Speaker 3: has beautiful rooms and you have tours going through it,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's a quasi public area. You've got
Speaker 3: the residence, which is upstairs and that's where the president
Speaker 3: of the First Family lives. And then you have the
Speaker 3: West Wing, which is where the senior offices working for
Speaker 3: the president are. And the West Wing is not very big.
Speaker 3: It's no, it's tiny. It's three stories. You've got a basement,
Speaker 3: you've got a first floor and second floor. The offices
Speaker 3: are not very big. Actually, the OEO B offices are
Speaker 3: much bigger than the West Wing offices. But in the
Speaker 3: White House, power and prestige is measured by one thing,
Speaker 3: and that is proximity to the president. Proximity to the
Speaker 3: Oval Office, and so a tiny little closet next to
Speaker 3: the Oval is much more prestigious than a huge, grand office.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll tell you something funny, Ben. So you
Speaker 3: know the little office off the West wing where Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. Yes,
Speaker 3: And by the way, for those of you be all
Speaker 3: too young to remember Bill Clinton, when he was accused
Speaker 3: of having oral sex with an intern, Monica Lewinsky, he
Speaker 3: said to press conference, I did not have sexual relations
Speaker 3: with that woman, miss Lewinsky. That was turned out to
Speaker 3: be a flat out lie because he did. There's a
Speaker 3: little room off the West wing where those interactions occurred.
Speaker 3: Do you know what Donald Trump has turned it into.
Speaker 1: So I know this, it's a night and a half.
Speaker 1: It's the trinket room.
Speaker 2: Now. If he likes you and he says, come over here,
Speaker 2: you can get you some swag from the Oval Office.
Speaker 3: Like he's got maga hats in there, he's got presidential
Speaker 3: cuff links, he's got all sorts of it. He just
Speaker 3: goes and says, take whatever you like, and there's just
Speaker 3: like a bunch of stuff and it's really cool. So
Speaker 3: so he's got he doesn't have those in the swag room.
Speaker 3: But but but he also has Have you seen Trump's
Speaker 3: challenge coins?
Speaker 1: They're incredible.
Speaker 2: You So when you went into the Oval recently, you
Speaker 2: you got a couple coming back and I got to
Speaker 2: see him.
Speaker 1: They're amazing and they're huge.
Speaker 3: So, so a challenge coin, for those of y'all who
Speaker 3: are not familiar, a challenge coin is a tradition both
Speaker 3: in the military and in law enforcement. And so when
Speaker 3: you when you meet with with typically senior officers of
Speaker 3: the military, they'll have a challenge coin that that that
Speaker 3: that that is branded with their unit, with their battalion,
Speaker 3: and and they'll give it to you. And there's a
Speaker 3: whole culture of like having to present your challenge coin
Speaker 3: and if you don't have it, having to buy drinks.
Speaker 3: And so in my office, I have a whole display
Speaker 3: behind my desk of probably one hundred and fifty challenge
Speaker 3: coins that have been given to me by military leaders
Speaker 3: across the country, across the world. That's behind my desk,
Speaker 3: and then in front of my desk on the other
Speaker 3: end of the office is a display with challenge coins
Speaker 3: from law enforcement. And so it's a similar thing police officers, sheriffs,
Speaker 3: police chiefs, firefighters federal law enforcement will have challenge coins
Speaker 3: and they give them and usually they're about the size
Speaker 3: of a silver dollar and they're elaborate. Well, Trump has
Speaker 3: made these presidential challenge coins that are about the size
Speaker 3: somewhere between the size that the diameter of a baseball
Speaker 3: and a softball. I think they're a little bigger than
Speaker 3: a baseball, but not quite as big as a softball.
Speaker 4: And they're gorgeous.
Speaker 3: And of course Trump's challenge coin is bigger, because how
Speaker 3: would it be otherwise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: And that's the part about I do say, people that
Speaker 2: go to the Oval office and get to meet with him,
Speaker 2: you have no idea what you're gonna leave with, including
Speaker 2: I will say his cup links. I got a pair
Speaker 2: in the first in the forty five years. You got
Speaker 2: the new pair from forty seven. I'm very jealous because
Speaker 2: they are absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, anyway, where the cocaine was found is right as
Speaker 3: you walk into the entrance of the West Wing. By
Speaker 3: the way, that entrance is where Trump now parks his
Speaker 3: brand new Tesla. It's literally parked right up front. So
Speaker 3: I tweeted out a picture. It's because I've never seen
Speaker 3: a car of the president. Like when you become president,
Speaker 3: they take your car keys and they don't let you drive,
Speaker 3: and you're driven around in the beast. And so his
Speaker 3: cars parked right up front. Now, actually they don't let
Speaker 3: Trump drive either, so he doesn't get to drive his tesla.
Speaker 3: And so I'm told a staffer about once a week
Speaker 3: has to drive the tesla like several times around the block.
Speaker 3: So it just so it doesn't die entirely.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad job, by the way, if you
Speaker 1: get that job.
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, you walk in that entrance there
Speaker 2: and where they found the cocaine. It is probably I
Speaker 2: don't know, thirty to forty feet away from the door
Speaker 2: to the situation room. Because when you walk in the
Speaker 2: west wing, your lockers are to the left where you
Speaker 2: put your phones up. Traditionally that's where they found this
Speaker 2: cocaine was over in that area. You go straight for
Speaker 2: ten twelve feet, you go to your right, and then
Speaker 2: right down there is a little area we can get
Speaker 2: food and turn to drink, and immediately to your right
Speaker 2: is where you walk in to the situation room. I
Speaker 2: gets right there. Like the idea that cocaine was found
Speaker 2: in the White House, it should have been like hell
Speaker 2: to pay, and no one stopped reporting on the story
Speaker 2: until somebody was arrested.
Speaker 3: So look, I am very glad the FBI is going
Speaker 3: to investigate that. You take in another case, January sixth,
Speaker 3: the Biden Justice Department spent thousands and thousands of man hour,
Speaker 3: spent enormous money investigating every little old lady on the
Speaker 3: mall waving a flag singing God bless America. They treated
Speaker 3: those poor little old ladies like they were Osama bin
Speaker 3: lad and the actual terrorist who plants a pipe bomb
Speaker 3: outside the DMC. Look, if you plant a pipe bomb
Speaker 3: that can blow up people and murder people, there's a
Speaker 3: word for that. You are a terrorist if you're planning
Speaker 3: a pipe bomb. There is video of this dude planning
Speaker 3: the pipe bomb. And yet we've had four plus years
Speaker 3: transpire and we know nothing about the actual terrorist who
Speaker 3: planted a pipe bomb that could have killed multiple people.
Speaker 3: It was actually it was found before it exploded, thank god,
Speaker 3: but it could have been. It could have resulted a
Speaker 3: serious loss of life if it hadn't. I'm very glad
Speaker 3: that they're finally investigating that.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: An action PAUSO would ask your gut on this one.
Speaker 2: Why was it not investigating.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I really look. There's conspiracy theories online.
Speaker 3: Some of them have to do with FBI informants under
Speaker 3: cover agents in the crowd on January sixth. As you know,
Speaker 3: I've questioned the FBI and the Department of Justice multiple
Speaker 3: times about the informants they had underground. They refused to
Speaker 3: make that public. I'll tell you. I also have urged
Speaker 3: Pambondi and Cash Betel to make that public.
Speaker 4: I hope that.
Speaker 3: They do, that they engage in radical transparency.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I find it weird because it is the action on
Speaker 3: that day that could have resulted in the greatest loss
Speaker 3: of life had the pipe bomb detonated. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: on a busy public street where people are walking by
Speaker 3: every minute. It could have killed multiple people, and we
Speaker 3: don't know, and so all sorts of people, I mean,
Speaker 3: the Twitter and the Internet speculates like crazy. I'm not
Speaker 3: interested in speculation. I would like to find out who
Speaker 3: actually planted it, why, and I'd like them to go
Speaker 3: to jail. And I hope listen. I'm encouraged by Dan
Speaker 3: Bongino's post on X that we are making progress. I
Speaker 3: hope that we can find out who did it. We
Speaker 3: will say of the three, ironically, the one that is
Speaker 3: the most consequential, I think is the third one, which
Speaker 3: is the leak of the Supreme Court's Dobs case.
Speaker 4: And it is hard to.
Speaker 3: Overstate how much damage that leak did, not just to
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court of the United States.
Speaker 4: But but also to the rule of law.
Speaker 3: The way the Supreme Court operates, Justices deliberate on cases,
Speaker 3: They circulate opinion drafts back and forth. They change opinion drafts.
Speaker 3: A given opinion, particularly in a consequential opinion, can change
Speaker 3: one hundred times or more. They're literally negotiating every sentence
Speaker 3: over every footnote.
Speaker 4: And in two.
Speaker 3: Hundred and nearly fifty years of our nation's history, never
Speaker 3: once has a draft of an opinion of the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court been leaked until the Dobs case. And it did
Speaker 3: I think, irreparable damage to the trust between the justices,
Speaker 3: the ability of the justices to have candor with each other,
Speaker 3: and the person who leaked it. At the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it is a really small universe of people
Speaker 3: who would have access to that draft opinion. It is
Speaker 3: essentially the justices, and I refuse to believe a justice
Speaker 3: did that unless you had irrefutable proof. I have too
Speaker 3: much faith in the institutions of our country to believe
Speaker 3: a justice did it. I believe it was very likely
Speaker 3: a law clerk at a law clerk from one of
Speaker 3: the liberal justices. But look, there are only thirty six
Speaker 3: law clerks. There are not that many, and I am confident,
Speaker 3: having been one of them myself, these people are not
Speaker 3: master criminals. They are not incredibly adept at hiding their tracks,
Speaker 3: and so I think we did not get a thorough
Speaker 3: investigation into it. And of the three, if I could
Speaker 3: pick one to be solved, it would be finding the
Speaker 3: leaker of the Dobs opinion, prosecuting him or her and
Speaker 3: locking them up, because I think that did lasting damage
Speaker 3: to the rule of law in this country.
Speaker 2: This is again goes back to the basic issue of
Speaker 2: law and order, and this is something that this administration
Speaker 2: keeps saying over and over again, like they're not joking.
Speaker 2: They're going to treat everyone the same, and we're going
Speaker 2: to look at things through the glasses of law and
Speaker 2: order instead of picking winners and losers based on politics.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, and that is unless the head of the
Speaker 3: FBI is calling for the murder of the president of
Speaker 3: the United States, And that is another story that broke
Speaker 3: in the last few days. So the former FBI director
Speaker 3: James Comy, he tweeted out this this image, and it
Speaker 3: is an image of seashells on the beach that spell
Speaker 3: out eighty six forty seven. Now forty seven is obviously
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and eighty six on the face of it,
Speaker 3: to eighty six someone is standard slang for killing someone.
Speaker 3: And as I posted on social media, is there any
Speaker 3: other reasonable interpretation of this other than the former head
Speaker 3: of the FBI publicly calling for the murder of the
Speaker 3: president of the United States, and Comy backed away from it.
Speaker 3: I got to say, part of the reason I think
Speaker 3: he put it out is he's got a new book
Speaker 3: coming out and he wanted some attention. But it is
Speaker 3: unimaginable that a head of the FBI would be particularly
Speaker 3: a president who has had two assassination attempts. This is
Speaker 3: not theoretical. Donald Trump was shot. He came within a
Speaker 3: half inch of being killed in Butler, Pennsylvania, and yet
Speaker 3: the head of the FBI is openly calling for people
Speaker 3: to eighty six Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, and not only as you mentioned, is it a
Speaker 2: dog whistle, but also, yeah, he had a book coming out.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, if I do this, and maybe they're
Speaker 2: just narcissm and arrogance to a level that even I
Speaker 2: didn't realize with him, and I thought it was pretty
Speaker 2: high where he's like, I'm i'm, I'm, I'm so powerful,
Speaker 2: I can get away with this, and then everybody will
Speaker 2: want to interview me. I get to dog whistle this
Speaker 2: against the president while also guaranteeing that every single show
Speaker 2: will want to book me to talk about my book
Speaker 2: a KA and also the seashells.
Speaker 4: On the beach.
Speaker 2: It was one hell of a move and and I
Speaker 2: think it's one where he thought nothing's going to happen
Speaker 2: to me, even if I do get interviewed by the
Speaker 2: Secret Service, who cares well?
Speaker 3: And I will say he doubled down this week. Uh,
Speaker 3: but by calling on the FBI essentially to fight the
Speaker 3: President of the United States, and and and and and
Speaker 3: accusing the Trump administration of being, in his words, quite
Speaker 3: white supremacists adjacent.
Speaker 4: Listen to this, So follow.
Speaker 5: Up on the seashell situation when explaining why you took
Speaker 5: it down, But what will you trying to communicate to
Speaker 5: the public impete Trump. What was your reasoning for it?
Speaker 6: No, I just thought it was a cool picture. Someone
Speaker 6: was expressing a political view in a very clever way
Speaker 6: in shells that were organized by the like they had
Speaker 6: the same color for each of the letters. I just thought,
Speaker 6: what a cool thing. And I'm well known as a
Speaker 6: political opponent of Donald Trump, and I just thought, well,
Speaker 6: that's cool. My Instagram account is family politics stuff, including
Speaker 6: stuff like this. I put a shell on last fall.
Speaker 6: I thought it was cool. Someone had painted the inside
Speaker 6: of a big shell to say vot Kamala, and I
Speaker 6: thought that's really cool, so I put that on. But
Speaker 6: so it's not a particular message other than that.
Speaker 5: I was just going to ask you what the MSNBC
Speaker 5: interview you were doing, because on social media everyone's saying
Speaker 5: he's talking about the white supremacist adjacent Republican Party. Everybody
Speaker 5: in the party, Yeah, voters, what what's you want to
Speaker 5: thank you? No clarification at all.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not going to comment on Okay, thank you, well,
Speaker 4: thank you?
Speaker 1: Hello, I love it.
Speaker 2: Be well, I'm not gonna clarify and that I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep that out there as well.
Speaker 3: Buy my book, What utter garbage. Oh, I just thought
Speaker 3: it was kind of interesting. I just thought it was,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of pretty. The seashells were pretty. Like,
Speaker 3: what an absurd claim, And there's something mocking about it
Speaker 3: that he could claim. Okay, Number one, James Comy is
Speaker 3: not a stupid man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's smart. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: He knows exactly what he is doing. And James Comy
Speaker 3: number one, he knows who forty seven is. He knows
Speaker 3: exactly who forty seven is. Forty seven is the forty
Speaker 3: seventh President of the United States Donald J. Trump Number two.
Speaker 3: The claim that he didn't know what eighty six is. Listen,
Speaker 3: that is that that is absurd. It is it is
Speaker 3: not remotely credible. And the fact that he's saying that,
Speaker 3: the fact that he's saying that is mocking. It is
Speaker 3: a level of contempt. And listen. I gotta say, I
Speaker 3: don't know Comy personally, but in my view, he is
Speaker 3: someone who was consumed by power. When he was the
Speaker 3: head of the FBI, I think he had delusions of grandeur.
Speaker 3: I think he believed he was j Edgar Hoover and
Speaker 3: he wanted to have presidents of the United States reporting
Speaker 3: to him. By the way, do you happen to know
Speaker 3: off the top of your top of your head what
Speaker 3: eighteen USC. Section eight seventy one provides, No, what is it?
Speaker 3: What's funny? It's actually a felony. Threatening the President of
Speaker 3: the United States is a felony that's punishable by up
Speaker 3: to five years in Prisonman, you would think the head
Speaker 3: of the FBI would know that, and yet he blithely said, Oh,
Speaker 3: I just saw some pretty seashells. You know, nothing to
Speaker 3: see here.
Speaker 2: And let's just remind people when you said that he's smart.
Speaker 2: This is the same guy that mocked the Trump administration
Speaker 2: the first time, right when they got into office, when
Speaker 2: he just sent a couple FBI agents over to try
Speaker 2: to entrap General Flynn. Like, never forget. That's how calculated
Speaker 2: this guy is. So for him to say, oh, I
Speaker 2: just saw a picture here and I thought it was
Speaker 2: really cute to seashells, I don't buy that crap for
Speaker 2: a moment.
Speaker 3: He proposed sending someone wearing a wire to entrap the
Speaker 3: President of the United States. And I want you to
Speaker 3: listen to him with Nicole Wallace and MSNBC because I
Speaker 3: want you to listen to just this this smarmy, sanctimonious,
Speaker 3: dishonest You can tell what I think about him here
Speaker 3: to just play his words and see if you agree
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 7: You're back in the middle of a political firestorm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for walking on the beach with my wife. So
Speaker 6: I don't know how we ended up here. Never occurred
Speaker 6: to me that it was any kind of controversial thing,
Speaker 6: but that's the time we live.
Speaker 1: In, Okay.
Speaker 3: Then there's a technical word for what he just said
Speaker 3: there that would be called a lie. He is deliberately lying,
Speaker 3: he knows he's lying. He is not in trouble for
Speaker 3: walking on the beach with his wife. He is understandably
Speaker 3: in trouble for publicly advocating the murder of the president
Speaker 3: of the United States.
Speaker 2: And yet there's a lot of you think he knew
Speaker 2: exactly what he was doing. And yeah, he may get
Speaker 2: hauled in for some questioning, but he's not going to
Speaker 2: get arrested because he's a former MPI director and that
Speaker 2: guy never gets in trouble.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, we shall see.
Speaker 3: I will say Cash Betel and Dan Bongino are not
Speaker 3: your typical heads of the FBI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. It'd be very interesting to
Speaker 2: see what happens moving forward. We'll keep you updated on it.
Speaker 2: I want to move also the MPR lawsuit and get
Speaker 2: your take on that center as well.
Speaker 3: So this week NPR, National Public Radio, and three Colorado
Speaker 3: Public Radio stations filed a lawsuit in federal court against
Speaker 3: the Trump White House against the President's executive order barring
Speaker 3: the use of funds for NPR and for PBS, and
Speaker 3: the lawsuit says, quote, it is not always obvious when
Speaker 3: the government has acted with a retaliatory purpose in violation
Speaker 3: of the First Amendment.
Speaker 4: But this wolf comes as a wolf.
Speaker 3: The order targets NPR and PBS expressly because, in the
Speaker 3: President's views, their news and other content is not fair, accurate,
Speaker 3: or unbiased. Now let me stop and say, listen, you
Speaker 3: could file a reasonable lawsuit arguing that on any of
Speaker 3: these particular executive orders that where you're dealing with congressional appropriations,
Speaker 3: that challenging the authority of an executive order to limit
Speaker 3: congressional appropriations. That's an area that's being litigated. That's going
Speaker 3: to be litigated, and reasonable minds can can differ on
Speaker 3: what is permissible. And we've talked in previous podcasts that
Speaker 3: there is there is a significant dispute over the president's
Speaker 3: authority to engage in what is called impoundment, which is
Speaker 3: essentially to decline to spend money that comeungress as appropriated.
Speaker 3: That you want to file a lawsuit over that, Okay, courts,
Speaker 3: we'll sort that out.
Speaker 4: That'll be litigated.
Speaker 3: But here what this lawsuit is claiming is that the
Speaker 3: First Amendment prohibits defunding NPR. And the reason they say
Speaker 3: it really is absurd is you can't defund the NPR
Speaker 3: simply because quote their news and other content is not fair,
Speaker 3: accurator unbiased. Now let me say I think no objective
Speaker 3: person on planet Earth can contend that NPR or PBS
Speaker 3: are fair, accurator unbiased. And so we really are in
Speaker 3: Alison Wonderland through the looking glass, where you now have
Speaker 3: litigants arguing because NPR and PBS are dishonest and political,
Speaker 3: you can't cut off funding because cutting off funding would
Speaker 3: be silencing our right to be dishonest and political and
Speaker 3: not just look, you absolutely have a right to be
Speaker 3: dishonest and political. So MSNBC can publish any nonsense they want,
Speaker 3: CNN can publish any nonsense they want. Now nobody watches them.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a tree falling in the woods. But
Speaker 3: they have a right to say it. They have a
Speaker 3: right to to to to say utter nonsense. But NPR's
Speaker 3: argument is not only do they have a right to
Speaker 3: say it, which I agree they do, but they have
Speaker 3: a right to have the taxpayers fund them forever that
Speaker 3: that that it is illegal for us to stop paying
Speaker 3: for their partisan lives. I gotta say, that is an
Speaker 3: absurd claim. And it is the simple simple reality of
Speaker 3: of of of the absurdity of the left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: And and I wonder when we will actually get resolution
Speaker 2: on this. Is there a real chance you think that
Speaker 2: we could actually defund m p R, PBS and just say, hey,
Speaker 2: make it on your own.
Speaker 1: Is there a real chance?
Speaker 3: Look, I certainly hope so. I am pressing to do so.
Speaker 3: I'm pressing Congress to do so. I'm pressing Congress to
Speaker 3: to enact and codify the Doge cuts that that we've
Speaker 3: seen Elon Muskin doche put in play. We're gonna have
Speaker 3: a battle on Congress. We're gonna have a battle in
Speaker 3: Congress if it has to go through regular order. What
Speaker 3: regular order means is is the standard path of legislation.
Speaker 3: That means it's subject to filibuster. That means you need
Speaker 3: sixty votes in the Senate, which means you need seven Democrats.
Speaker 3: If you have to get seven Democrats.
Speaker 1: And that's how they save it, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's their ideal situation is you guys complain
Speaker 2: about it and we keep giving billions to our propaganda machines.
Speaker 3: Zero Democrats will vote to defund NPR or PBS, which
Speaker 3: means if it goes through regular order, it will not happen.
Speaker 4: The other way is did.
Speaker 2: That proof of just how biased they are, the fact
Speaker 2: that zero of them would go to defund it because
Speaker 2: they know how valuable it is to their propaganda.
Speaker 4: And they don't care.
Speaker 3: In fact, I want you to listen to Catherine Maher,
Speaker 3: the CEO of NPR, who describes the First Amendment as
Speaker 3: the quote the greatest challenge that she faces to controlling
Speaker 3: narratives here.
Speaker 4: Give a listen.
Speaker 8: The number one challenge here that we and is, of course,
Speaker 8: the First Amendment in the United States is a fairly
Speaker 8: robust protection of rights. And that is a protection of
Speaker 8: rights both for platforms, which I actually think is very
Speaker 8: important that platforms have those rights to be able to
Speaker 8: regulate what kind of content they want on their sites.
Speaker 8: But it also means that it is a little bit
Speaker 8: tricky to really address some of the real challenges of
Speaker 8: where does bad information come from and sort of the
Speaker 8: influenced peddlers who have made a real market economy around it.
Speaker 2: I mean that through your tax hours are going and
Speaker 2: that's a woman who's in charge.
Speaker 3: Damn it, that pesky First Amendment. We want to censor,
Speaker 3: we want to silence voices we disagree with, and that
Speaker 3: First Amendment stands in the way. And here I want
Speaker 3: you to listen to this, this montage of of Catherine
Speaker 3: Marr being being grilled at congressional hearing. Give a listen
Speaker 3: to to just how extreme the NPR CEO is.
Speaker 9: And I welcome the opportunity to discuss the essential role
Speaker 9: of public media in delivering unbiased, non partisan, fact based
Speaker 9: reporting to Americans. Madam Chair, thank you so much for
Speaker 9: the opportunity to address this. I know the youth.
Speaker 7: Is it up to you, an MPR, to crack down
Speaker 7: on bad information or decide the truth to answer the
Speaker 7: question yes or no?
Speaker 9: Miss more absolutely not. I'm a very strong believer in
Speaker 9: free speech, and I believe that more sep.
Speaker 7: Your public statements say otherwise. During the COVID pandemic in
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty election, you said you censored information through
Speaker 7: conversations with government. Which governments were those, Miss Mahr the
Speaker 7: Biden administration, yes or.
Speaker 9: No, Madam Chair, Wikipedia never censored any information.
Speaker 7: These are your public statements, Miss More.
Speaker 9: Madam Chair, we are in full compliance and with the
Speaker 9: FCC's and Kreen, we'll continue to cooperate.
Speaker 7: I remind you you're under oath. I'm assuming you're concerned.
Speaker 7: Both of you are concerned about this, and that's why
Speaker 7: you brought so many attorneys with you today.
Speaker 9: First of all, I want to recognize your concerns. One
Speaker 9: of the first things that I did in coming in
Speaker 9: in May was to beef off our editorial standards.
Speaker 1: Two PR than doing editorial I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: AD a federally funded entity that's supposed to provide the news,
Speaker 3: not provide the news.
Speaker 10: Of course, of course, Congressman, an article by Uri Berlinger.
Speaker 10: I've been at NPR for twenty five years. Here's how
Speaker 10: we lost America's trust.
Speaker 9: Well, I do want to say that NPR acknowledges that
Speaker 9: we were mistaken and failing to cover the Hunter Biden
Speaker 9: laptop story more aggressively and sooner. Our current editorial leadership wuhan,
Speaker 9: we recognize that we were reporting at the time, but
Speaker 9: we acknowledged that the new CIA evidence is worthy of
Speaker 9: coverage and have covered up.
Speaker 10: You've even talked about the First Amendment kind of getting
Speaker 10: in the way of what you wanted to get done.
Speaker 10: NPR is now and taking this non biased approach.
Speaker 9: I so appreciate the opportunity to perhaps clarify some things.
Speaker 9: My talk about truth was really referencing the way that
Speaker 9: people use truth to refer to belief as opposed to facts.
Speaker 10: Your comments said that truth was getting the way of
Speaker 10: getting things done and that you were prioritizing what you
Speaker 10: wanted to get done over truth.
Speaker 11: Did they come up in your job interview? Like, do
Speaker 11: you see a problem?
Speaker 1: Congressman?
Speaker 9: Thank you for the No, they never came up in
Speaker 9: my job interview.
Speaker 11: You're a rabid progressive, and do you not think it's
Speaker 11: a problem that your political leanings make it seem to
Speaker 11: the American people that you're not biased and you're not
Speaker 11: doing your job because you agree that your job is
Speaker 11: to have journalistic integrity.
Speaker 9: Right, absolutely, But there is a strong firewall between the
Speaker 9: newsroom and anything that I let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about the newsroom.
Speaker 11: You have eighty seven registered Democrats, not a single Republican
Speaker 11: in your editor boards. I mean, how does that work
Speaker 11: to give us the perception that you're doing your job
Speaker 11: of actually delivering unbiased information.
Speaker 9: I would agree with you that that number is a
Speaker 9: concern if it is accurate. I do believe that we
Speaker 9: need to have journalists who represent the full breadth of
Speaker 9: the American society so that we can report well for
Speaker 9: all Americans.
Speaker 1: Well, I just got to stop it there.
Speaker 2: This goes on for several more minutes, but that part
Speaker 2: there at the end where he's like, you got eighty
Speaker 2: seven people on the editorial board.
Speaker 1: They're all Democrats. You don't have seen a Republican.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, yeah, if that number is true,
Speaker 2: then it is a con earn.
Speaker 3: The argument of NPR is that the First Amendment requires
Speaker 3: for you and me to keep paying for them to
Speaker 3: propagandize and lie. And I got to say one of
Speaker 3: my favorite facts, as I said, it's not just NPR,
Speaker 3: it's three Colorado radio stations. The statewide Colorado Public Radio
Speaker 3: station based in Denver KSUT, which was originally founded by
Speaker 3: the Southern Ute Indian tribe.
Speaker 4: And this is the one that cracks me up.
Speaker 3: The Aspen Public Radio, which broadcasts in Aspen, one of
Speaker 3: the richest communities on planet Earth. If you're an Aspen
Speaker 3: and you look at the airport, you just see a
Speaker 3: line of private jets as far as the eye can see.
Speaker 3: And their argument is, the First Amendment mandates that we
Speaker 3: tax American workers to pay for propaganda in Aspen. Because
Speaker 3: the poor, wretched masses of aspend can't afford to pay
Speaker 3: for their own propaganda, they need to tax American workers instead.
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