1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hi Wipsmarties, 2 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Work in Progress. We 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: are now within a week of the twenty twenty four election. 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are stressed and worried, 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: and how could we not be. We're trying to fight 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: fascism at the ballot box. And when I feel afraid 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: of potential looming doom, I try to look to the 8 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: people who make me feel inspired. I look for the helpers. 9 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: And one of the best helpers we've got in our 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: country happens to be the governor of Washington State, Governor 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Jay Insley. He is actually the longest serving current governor 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: in the US. He's finishing up twelve years as the 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: governor of Washington, and he is leaving behind a legacy 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: both in Washington State and on the national stage as 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: a champion for the environment, for clean energy, and for 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: environmental justice, which also makes him a champion of community, 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: kids and incredible job creation. Jay entered public service back 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five, fighting for a new public high school, 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: and four years later he became a state representative in 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: the fourteenth Legislative District in Washington. He has gone on 21 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: to have an incredible career. After returning to private law, 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: he was appointed the regional director of the US Department 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services. He oversaw programs in Alaska, Idah, Oregon, 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: and Washington. In the late nineties, his family returned to 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Puget Sound and he represented the first Congressional District for 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: thirteen years, and in twenty twelve, he was elected Washington's 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: twenty third governor. Governor Insley has focused on building a 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: bright future for Washingtonians and using that future that he 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: helps work on in his home state to set an 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: example for the US. Under his leadership, Washington's economy has 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: been ranked number one for both businesses and workers. The 32 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: state has become a vital roadmap for the rest of 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: the nation as they have achieved these incredible wins, and 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: a lot of that is thanks to the governor. He 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: has steadily led the way for profound social and economic changes, 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: including raising the minimum wage, passing best in the nation 37 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: family leave, providing sickly to every Washington worker, and making 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: historic investments in transportation and education. Governor Insley is living 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: proof that progress and prosperity go hand in hand. He 40 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: has firmly established the state of Washington as a national 41 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: leader in the fight for climate change and for happiness. 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: And I am so excited today to talk to him 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: about how he's done it. He happens to be a 44 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: national board member of the environmental advocacy group climate Power, 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: that I love working with out in my advocacy world, 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: and I just can't wait to talk to him about 47 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: all of his amazing achievements, his family, his love of education, 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: and why he fights for the environment as well as 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: he does. Hint, hint, we all need it. Let's hear 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: from Governor Insley before we dive into the election, and 51 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: I know we're inside of a week now. I want 52 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: to go back a little bit because you have such 53 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: a storied career and what you've built in Washington, you know, 54 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: from growing an incredible jobs economy, seeing incredible happiness statistics 55 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: with your citizenry, and also the incredible environmental progress you've made. 56 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's a big bucket full of really good things. 57 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: It's a long and amazing career. But I want to 58 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: ask you to go back to before it began. What 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: was it really that in inspired you to look at 60 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: and then enter the world of public service. Was it 61 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: something you'd always thought you might do from the time 62 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: that maybe you were a young boy, or did it 63 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: happen more in your adult life. 64 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: No. I was actually going to be a small forward 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: for the Boston Celtics when I was growing up, so 66 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: that dream didn't come true. And then I was going 67 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: to be a physician. That dream didn't come true. So 68 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm just a record of squashed dreams here. No. I 69 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: had not thought about public service until like my mid thirties. 70 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: And the way Trudy and I got involved in this 71 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: was we lived in a small town in eastern Washington. 72 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: We were raising three kids and yeah, mine in our 73 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: own business and enjoying life. And then they were going 74 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: to start double shifting our local high school, and you know, 75 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: so you have two different ships because they didn't have 76 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: room for everybody. And I thought, why don't we build 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: a high school. The answer was we were kind of 78 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: new in town and they'd failed five bondish shoes in 79 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: a row trying to build a new school, and I 80 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: thought was ridiculous. So we thought, well, let's run another 81 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: bond issue. And there were only two other couples or 82 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: another couple to help us we went out and started 83 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: an effort, and we passed it on the sixth try, 84 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: and shortly thereafter, the Washington State Legislature, in their infinite wisdom, 85 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: cut our funding formula and half of the money we 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: were going to get from the state. So we had 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: gone out to our community members saying, look, we're going 88 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: to get X number of dollars from state, and then 89 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden they cut it half, making the 90 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: project impossible. So I became aggrieved about that. I started 91 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: going to Olympia raising hell with our legislators, and from 92 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: that just sort of concluded, listen, if I'm going to 93 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: help on these kind of issues, I should be in 94 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: office and start. I ran for the legislature in a 95 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: very heavily Republican district with no chance to win, and 96 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: one in a huge upset, and the rest has been 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: a very broken road to doing what I'm doing now, 98 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: and I've had a great run as governor. So that's 99 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: how we got involved, and I would recommend it to 100 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: anyone public services for all. It's it's discouragement and frustration 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: is it's just such a fantastic thing to be able 102 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: to help your community in ways large and small. So 103 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: jump in if you're thinking about it. The water's fine. Yeah. 104 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people ask me if i'd run, and 105 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: I think for a while, I didn't take it very seriously. 106 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: And now I'm going maybe that's my you know, my 107 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: phase too when I when I cross fifty, I don't know. 108 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: We'll see, well that's fifty. As you're young. At fifty, 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: you're very very young. You're just learning. I agree, fifty. 110 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: So No. What I've found is that it's a very 111 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: positive experience, even running for office, even if you're not elected. 112 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: You know, half the time candidates are not elected, right, 113 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: But I have found there are very positive experiences, although 114 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: trying and painful, because you get connected to your community. 115 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: You meet so many more people, You go to places 116 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: in your community you never went. I'll just share a 117 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: little experience for you. When I ran for the legislature, 118 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: I lived in a little town called Yakoma, Washington. And 119 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: you know, I doorbelled twenty five thousand homes between two races. Wow. 120 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: And in doing that, I went to places in my 121 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 2: community I had never gone before. Physically, you know, usually 122 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: you get a rat and me you just you know, 123 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: the way you drive the school, you know, a way 124 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: you drive the work and that's just kind of what 125 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: you know. And I just got out and met so 126 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: many people in different areas, and frankly, one of the 127 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: eye openers in that experience for me was the poverty 128 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: that existed in my community that certainly there's some degree 129 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 2: I was not oblivious to but had not recognized as much. 130 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: And so anyway, runner for office is a great experience. 131 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 2: It's better when you win. I've done both in my time, 132 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: and it's much better to win, sure, but it is 133 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: a very connecting experience when you're through your hat in 134 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: the ring. 135 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Well as a non elected I would just like to 136 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: thank you for being willing to acknowledge that sometimes you lose, 137 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: and when you do, you have to be honest about it. 138 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Indeed, I've lost several races and lost a race in Congress, 139 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: which was painful to leave Congress, and so I've had 140 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: that experience. Each one of them, to some degree, have 141 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: led to something more adventurous in my life. Sure, I 142 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: lost a governor's race in nineteen ninety six, and but 143 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: met some people on my team that are still with me, 144 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: and so that was a positive experience itself. And that's 145 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: why I'm saying is that these when you enter public 146 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: service or you want to, it connects you with new 147 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: people and it can be a positive thing for you. Yeah. 148 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: I think that's really beautiful, and I think it's very 149 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: refreshing to be reminded of the joy that comes with 150 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: public service. You know. It's it's certainly something we're seeing 151 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: contrasted in this election that is upon us. We've got 152 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: one side talking about the you know, the joy of 153 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: the multifaceted fabric of America, and one espousing adoration for fascists. 154 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: And I know that the not so positive side of 155 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: the race touched you, particularly in your state, because you know, 156 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: with the new investigation that came out just last week, 157 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: it showed that in twenty twenty, then President Donald Trump 158 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: actually refused to act on your disaster aid request for 159 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: the wildfires because you'd had a personal dispute with him, 160 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: and we went through a lot of those same threats 161 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: in my home state of California. You know, he didn't 162 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: want to give us aid as a quote unquote blue state. 163 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: And I'm just curious, you know, if you could explain 164 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: to the folks at home what kind of impact the 165 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: the abuse of the highest office in the land can 166 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: have on a state. How do you, you know, a 167 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: family man and a committed public servant who got into 168 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: this to make sure kids could go to school, how 169 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: do you kind of fight back against that level of 170 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: both depravity and danger when you're dealing with natural disasters? 171 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: You know what is I guess, I guess The question 172 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: really is where do you even begin to advocate? How 173 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: do you stand up to that? 174 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: Well, you start at the beginning, which is to vote. 175 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: That's the most effective thing you can do is to vote. 176 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: You know, and my whole mantra in after thirty years 177 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: in public service, it's a heck of a lot easier 178 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: to keep scoundrels out of office than to try to 179 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: reform them once they're in. It's very difficult to reform 180 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: narcissistic social paths. It's much more effective to keep them 181 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: out of office and let them go play golf and 182 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: where they can't do any damage. And that's what's really effective. 183 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: And that's why the next week is so important for 184 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: all of us to all of the work we can 185 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 2: do to keep somebody who's so destructive out of office. 186 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: But really, and I'm very much in touch with what 187 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: you said, one of our candidates is driven by anger 188 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: and fear, that's the motivating thing in life, and one 189 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: is driven by hope and optimism. And I'm more of 190 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: the optimistic. Hope is much better for your society to 191 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: make decisions based on that. But anyway, the thing you 192 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: do first is keep scoundrels out of office. And that's 193 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: what you do. And you get up every day and 194 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: do everything you can do. And now, in our case, 195 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: everybody who's listening to us, I hope you will call 196 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: anybody you know, an old friend, an old college roommate, 197 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: it and in a lot in Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, 198 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: North Carolina, Arizona, and call them. I hope you're doing. 199 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: So that's something you can do. And then somebody run 200 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: for office yourself. But those are the things we can 201 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: do in the next seven days. 202 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 203 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: In the scope, coming back to this issue of what 204 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: happened in our town, we had a town burned down 205 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: called Malden, Washington, small little town. Eighty percent of the 206 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: homes were totally destroyed. They're kind of an isolated community 207 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: and Trump willfully, maliciously refused to help those people. And 208 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 2: it wasn't me. I wasn't you know, I have a 209 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: nice house to live in. It wasn't me who's suffering 210 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: as them, And he consciously refused to help those poor people. 211 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: And it shows that both how destructive a president is 212 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: who decides to govern out of dominance and aggression and 213 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: out of his sense of victimization and juvenile just juvenile behavior. 214 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: He was just juvenile. He's just a little temper tamper, right, Yeah, 215 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: because I dared to stand up against his Muslim band 216 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: and some of his climate change denial. He just can't 217 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: stand that. He's so thin skinned. So I had these 218 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: families that didn't know what to do for four months 219 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: because we couldn't get the disaster decoration. As soon as 220 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: Trump as Biden came in within I think ten days, 221 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: we got the disaster decoration. But for four months he 222 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: had this whole community that could not move forward. So 223 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: it's very destructive. And if you ever ever dealt with 224 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: people who've suffered this kind of disaster as they had 225 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: North Carolina recently, the loss of your home is so 226 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: psychologically damaging. You're in such you know, fragile state. To 227 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: have somebody the highest president of the United states. Tell 228 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: you I'm not going to help you is so madening, 229 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 2: and so County is not a Trump supporter just from 230 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: that experience, and he did in other places California as well. 231 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: We're not the only victim. And he didn't help Puerto Rico. 232 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: Of course, now we know what his friends are saying 233 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: about Puerto Rico. He went and thought it was so 234 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: much fun to send, you know, so tossed tissue paper 235 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: to the people and then deny relief. Right. It just 236 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: shows you how the importance of keeping odious characters out 237 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: of the White House. 238 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: Certainly, and now a word from our sponsors that I 239 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: really enjoy and I think you will too. I guess, 240 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, in particular because you are so climate forward. 241 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: You know, you've been dubbed the greenest governor in America, 242 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: which I think is so cool. We are currently in 243 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: this moment where, to your point, we're watching these horrible 244 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: things happen not just to states like yours and mine, 245 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: Washington and California, but you know, our friends in Asheville 246 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: and around North Carolina have been devastated. I was lucky 247 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: enough to call North Carolina home for ten years, so 248 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm always going to love it. You know, my my 249 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: partner's home state of Florida was just absolutely devastated by superstorms, 250 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, back to back hurricanes and tornadoes. It's really 251 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: undeniable to see what our impact on the planet is. 252 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: And yet we've got Project twenty twenty five talking about 253 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: removing climate change from not just you know, the discourse 254 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: and the funding, but even searchable things online for the government. 255 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: It feels mind boggling. And I guess I'm wondering, because 256 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: you're our resident expert on climate, between the two of us, 257 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: if you could kind of give the listeners at home 258 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: a kind of this versus that explanation of what Project 259 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five's impact on the climate would be versus 260 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Vice President Harris's climate plan, which, by the way, she 261 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: just announced incredible facets of that for Puerto Rico specifically 262 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: this week, and I love to read about it. 263 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: We start on Vice President Harris and Tim Wallace's positions 264 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: on clean energy. I know both these people, and I 265 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: know they both are really committed to helping the positive growth, 266 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: both from our economic growth and our health improvements by 267 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: defeating climate change. It's close to them. I remember having 268 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: a conversation with Vice President last year in the White 269 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: House about this, and it's clear to me that she's 270 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: very motivated to and has been for years actually to 271 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: help us mobilize and build a clean energy economy. Tim 272 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: Wall's is the same. He's done wonderful things in his 273 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: state in Minnesota with very narrow legislative margins as well. 274 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: So we really have a great team to do what 275 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: America does best, which is to innovate, to invent, to create, 276 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: to build, to solve this problem. Not to hide from problems, 277 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: but to confront them. To use your heads, and this 278 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: is about whether you're using your head or not. Luck 279 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: the science is so abundantly clear on this, it's beyond imagination. 280 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: We're all seeing it from a personal basis right now. 281 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: And also it is obvious that this is a great 282 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: economic opportunity and that's why we're growing jobs like crazy. 283 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: Under the Inflation Reduction Act. The Vice President of President 284 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: Biden pulled off a miracle passing this and now we're 285 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: seeing the tremendous benefits in my state of job creation 286 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: with the world leading fusion company, world leading silicon anoid 287 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: battery company, we're just hiring people like crazy here because 288 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: of their leadership. So I want to start without really 289 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: these are the right to two people for the job 290 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: at the right moment. And now we'll go to the 291 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: opposite end of the spectrum where if you had to 292 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: design a brain dead people to violate the common sense 293 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: of Americans who invented the airplane and software and everything else, 294 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: who wanted to be anted Deluvia just because they're afraid. 295 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: These are very fearful people. They're afraid. They are afraid 296 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: that we can't beat climate change. That's the basis of 297 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: why they ignore the client the science of this. They're 298 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: afraid that we're not smart enough to build electric cars 299 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: or solar panels or winter They're afraid that we can't 300 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: figure this out. Now they're wrong, and they will just 301 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: dismantle everything that they can touch in what is a 302 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: very effective machine of creation that we've developed in the 303 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: United States right now and in my state too. So 304 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: anything then get their hands in, they'll take a wrench 305 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: and break it because for some reason they think it's 306 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: a plot to destroy America. And why they develop that paranoia, 307 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: it's difficult to know. Some psychologists someday will have to 308 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 2: figure that out. But you can't overstate the danger. It 309 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: would mean four years of lack of progress by the 310 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: federal government if they in fact get the White House. 311 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: Now that's the bad news. Here's some good news. In 312 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: the event that happened. I don't believe it will happen, 313 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: but in the event happened, our states can continue to advance. 314 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: We have twenty five states in the US Climb Alliance, 315 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: Jerry Brown and I started it. We have twenty four 316 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: states now in the US Clime Alliance, all of which 317 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: themselves can move the climate agenda forward. So I have 318 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: a Cabinet invest bill, or clean fuel standard of building 319 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: efficiency standards centers for evs, all of that can continue. 320 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: So we're going to continue to move the ball as 321 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: we are in my state in twenty four other states. 322 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: And by the way, those twenty four states represent sixty 323 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: percent of the whole US economy and the fastest growing 324 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: states economically. And one of the reasons they're fastest growing 325 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: because they're doing this clean energy work. 326 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: I was going to say, Governor, it's almost like doing 327 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: clean energy work is good for the economy and for 328 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: the people. 329 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: How about that? Pretty amazing. I am thrilled by the 330 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: progress for making you know, look at this is the 331 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: ying and yang of life. We're all disturbed by forest 332 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: fires and floods and heat domes, and you know, we're 333 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: so disturbed by that. But on the opposite end, we 334 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: ought to be thrilled about the progress we're making with 335 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: these new innovative manufacturing jobs. And the people who are 336 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: building these products not all rocket science. Their machinists or electricians. 337 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: They're sheet metal workers, they're iron workers. That's the people 338 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: actually doing this work, and they're so we got to 339 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: be really thinking in a positive way to be confident 340 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: that the work we're doing is working. There's been rarely, 341 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: maybe since the you know, the day of steam, of 342 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: the invention of the steam engine, where there's been this 343 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: rapid industrial growth in our country. So this is a 344 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: moment of the joy of creation that we're experiencing right now. 345 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: I love the way you frame that because there's a 346 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 1: lot of foods and and understandably, you know, there are 347 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: industries that make a lot of money off polluting the planet, 348 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: and they spend a lot of money to make people 349 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: afraid of new technology, of innovation, of changing job markets. 350 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: But what you all have done in Washington is where 351 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: the proof is in the pudding right, You've shifted into 352 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: a greener economy, and you have a booming jobs market, 353 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: you have better health outcomes for folks. You know you 354 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: spoke earlier this year. I listened to you on the 355 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: Volts podcast back in June, and I loved the episode. 356 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: I know you guys did it live. It wasn't a 357 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: town hall, but it was somewhere you know, in your state, 358 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: and you talked about how you looked at the records 359 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: of asthma in Washington, and as a lifelong asthmatic, My 360 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: ears really perked up then. And you knew that if 361 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: certain industries were changed into greener ones, kids and families 362 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: would have cleaner air to breathe, people would have safer 363 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: jobs to go to, Their jobs would be much more 364 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: secure because they'd be jobs of the future. So I 365 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: know that, simply by being in a way, Washington as 366 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: a state is disproving the fear around it a changing, 367 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, green job economy. But what would you say 368 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: to voters who perhaps haven't done as deep a dive, 369 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: who might not be social science nerds like us, who 370 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: who don't know what's possible when the economy of jobs 371 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: shifts toward these more sustainable options. 372 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: Well, I guess what I would say is, and maybe 373 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: this is easier in my state because you know where 374 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: the state that really made commercial jet airliners possible, yeah, 375 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: or the state that really led the development of software, 376 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: or the state that are now leading new kind of 377 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: retail systems. So innovation and change has been a very 378 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: positive thing for my state. So it's maybe easier for 379 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: people in my state to recognize groundbreaking, earthshaking changes that 380 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: make our lives healthier and richer economically. So what I 381 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: would say is, try to get in touch with your 382 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: positive vision that recognizes our ability as people to build 383 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: new whole ways of living, and recognizing the things in 384 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: your own life that you've experienced. You know, twenty years ago, 385 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: we weren't walking around cell phones, right, We had these 386 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: kiny things that were you know, you'd had to have 387 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: a wire to your dashboard if you're lucky to have 388 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 2: a car phone. That was a big deal. Look at 389 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: the changes in your own life that have been so 390 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: radical and it's been better mostly except when our kids 391 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: we can't get them off our cell phones. But in 392 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: your own life, look at how fast we can recognize 393 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: the ability to do things in a more productive way. 394 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: When you think about it, it may be new, but 395 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: it's not entirely foreign because we've experienced this in our 396 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: own lives. You know, I came up with a rotary phone, right, 397 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: So in my lifetime we've run from a rotary phone 398 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: to quantum mechanics and a cell phone. Just realize that 399 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: we can do this. I guess you know, c P 400 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: is the right mantra on this because we're doing it 401 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 2: at big time. And just look around the jobs your 402 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: kids are now are getting. You know, they're getting jobs 403 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: in clean energy. We all sometimes sweat around our children 404 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: and grandchildren, but they're getting these wonderful new careers that 405 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: are happening, and they're happening. The other thing I would 406 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: say is it's all across the United States. It's not 407 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: just the coast, it's not just blue districts. Actually, the 408 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: greatest job creation is it's kind of an irony. Have 409 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: been in red states and red districts in Georgia and 410 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: in Tennessee. You know, in Alabama, the enormous construction of 411 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: manufacturing sites that are going on. So it's something that 412 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: is possible for all of us. So I would say 413 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: this guy's the limit. We're making it happen. We should 414 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: feel good about it. 415 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, it's been really inspiring to me 416 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: to see, you know, particularly with the incredible boosts that 417 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: the Biden Harris administration is given to the economy, and 418 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act and the American Rescue Act and 419 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: all these big projects, you know, bringing our chips manufacturing 420 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: home and all these other great to your point, technological 421 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: fields of labor, you know, can you talk a little 422 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: bit about You mentioned some of the trades that go 423 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: into this work, but what are some of the green 424 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: jobs that you can talk about, and what would you 425 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: say is some of the impact they're going to have 426 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: on the future of our labor markets. 427 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: Well, the first and the most visible is in the 428 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: construction industry, because we're I mean, you make this happen. 429 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: You got to build things, right. Yeah. Anybody who touches concrete, 430 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: steel tube by fours, anybody who drives a truck, anybody 431 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: who provides supplies at the local hardware store. Everybody in 432 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 2: the entire construction industry is working right now building this 433 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: clean energy economy. And I'm impressed. My son is a carpenter, 434 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: and so I know I have some connection to actual 435 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: work in our family in which I'm very impressed by. 436 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, I remember I was at I had a 437 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: friend named Rick Louby. He started a little tiny company, 438 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: had like eight employees twenty years ago on the shores 439 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: of Lake Union, and he convinced me that we should 440 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: douce research and advanced batteries. And so I got a 441 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: bunch of money in the federal budget about two thousand 442 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: and seven, two thousand and eight to do research on 443 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: advanced batteries. Jump forward to twenty twenty four. He right 444 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: now has under construction the six story buildings in Moses Lake, Washington, 445 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: previously a rural agricultural area, where he's building the most 446 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: advanced silicon ANID battery construction plant in the world. And 447 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: he has a editor right down the street. They are 448 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: building these batteries that can increase the range of your 449 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 2: car by thirty percent by using this new technology, and 450 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: the people doing that right now. I just remember looking 451 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: up at a ki that was so impressed. I was 452 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: there a couple months ago. He was an iron worker 453 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: and he was standing with one foot on the building 454 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: and one foot on an iron beam suspended by a crane. 455 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: You know, bolting this thing in. I thought, these are talented, 456 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: courageous people. I just admire what they do, and they're 457 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 2: doing it all over the country right now in the 458 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: construction industry. So hats off to the people who are 459 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: actually building the infrastructure that it can allow us to 460 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: do that. Then you go to the manufacturing jobs, which 461 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 2: are obvious. These are people, many people high school education. 462 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: They go into a technical training program on how to 463 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: run a cab machine or or a three D printer 464 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: or a lathe, you know, and they go to work 465 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: and these are great careers and great jobs running these 466 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 2: manufacturing and I point this out there. These are a 467 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: lot of these jobs that do not require a college degree, 468 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: but they're good paying, technologically oriented job because high tech 469 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: manufacturing is technological in its own essence, and we very 470 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: much are dedicated. We have a program called Career Connected 471 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: Learning in our state where we train people. We emphasize 472 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: apprenticeships so you can get a good career without a 473 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: college education. And we think that's a really important emphasis 474 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: that we ought to have, is giving people careers without 475 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: going to college, because these are good paying jobs, long 476 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 2: term and very dignified. Then you go sort of up 477 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: to you know earlier in the food chain, which is 478 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: the research folks who are inventing these These are all 479 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: new technologies, those are real jobs too. So I started 480 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: to think. Called the Clean Energy Institute the University of 481 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: Washington UH seven eight years ago, and I was there 482 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: for their expansion the other day where again they're advancing 483 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 2: whole new ways of battery technology. They now have one 484 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: hundred and forty companies who come in and work with 485 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: them to use their facilities to invent all these new technologies. 486 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: So all through the educational and vocational system, these jobs 487 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: can be created and rb created. We want to give 488 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: everybody the thrill of clean energy. Yeah. 489 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And now for our sponsors, I don't think it's 490 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: an accident that as technology is advancing so quickly and 491 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: we're seeing all of these sort of new lanes open 492 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: in the Highway of the future, if you will. We 493 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: see so many young people, so many young voters list 494 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: climate change as one of, if not their top political issue. 495 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm really curious how you look at the young folks, 496 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: not just in your state but around the country. How 497 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: do you see their impact on elections, How do you 498 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: see the way they've changed the conversation around climate. 499 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: Well, I want them to change it as rapidly as possible, 500 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: and I want them to be as vocal, and I 501 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: want to make sure they all vote. I met one 502 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: hundred and forty of them over at Marshing State University 503 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: talking about this issue last Sunday. Yeah, and so I 504 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: am very dedicated to getting this generation to take over 505 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: because they're the ones who are most understanding of the 506 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: science of climate change, and they're the most technologically oriented 507 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: to build these new clean energy industries. So yes, I 508 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: want them to take over as rapidly as possible, and 509 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: I encourage them to do that. And also I'm very 510 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: concerned about them. A couple days before I was there, 511 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: this paper came up talking about the anxiety that a 512 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: lot of our young people are experiencing now around climate 513 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: change because they do understand the challenge. And it's heartbreaking 514 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: to me when I do talk to young people, who are, 515 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, anxious about that. I've talked to a number 516 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: of people said, look, I don't know if I'm going 517 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: to have children. That just breaks my heart that some 518 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: of our young people are thinking in these terms. So 519 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: I both feel for them and respect for them and 520 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: want them to be as politically active as possible. So 521 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: if you know any young people, urge them to make 522 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: sure they vote now. I urge them to go out 523 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: get their cranky uncles to vote, you know, for for 524 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: Harris as well to do something about climate change. So 525 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: that's that's what they're doing. I've I've had quite number 526 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: of rallies in my state around this subject with young people, 527 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: and they're going out and get their families to see 528 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: the light on this because they get. 529 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that you do so much with 530 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: young people in your state. And you're also a national 531 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: board member of Climate Power, which is for at home, 532 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: an incredible environmental advocacy group that I'm very honored to 533 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: work with as well. Can you tell folks a little 534 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: more about the organization and its goal and what your 535 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: role is as a national board member. 536 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, our job is to empower young voters. That's like 537 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: we're just empowering them. We're doing whatever we can to 538 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: first inspire them and enable them to recognize their own power. 539 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: And I think this is really important to get people. 540 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: When I talk to young groups, the point I make is, look, 541 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: you're as important as I am. I'm governor you're a 542 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: young citizen, and each of us have almost equal ability 543 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: to influence this because each one of us can we 544 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: get some votes. So my first job is to empower 545 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: young people to recognize the capability that they have, and 546 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: to urge them to become politically active, and to tell 547 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: them why I think it's they will enjoy it. And third, 548 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: just to give them some resources so they can go 549 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: to the right places. You know, we have a couple organizations, 550 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: another one called FUSE in Washington State and it's called 551 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: the Bus. The buses get on the Bus. It's sort 552 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: of a Spike Lee kind of deal, and so we 553 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 2: provide people a little bit of the logistical help they 554 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: need to go out and change change the world. If 555 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: this generation changed the world, it would be a lot 556 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: better place right now. 557 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Now, when you when you think about 558 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: the you know, the landscape of politics, the sort of 559 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: precipice we're on a week out from the election, where 560 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: we are running on everything from you know, hope to 561 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: a cleaner future. What what do you see that that 562 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: really keeps you going? Is there any you know, kind 563 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: of group or experience that you point to that gets 564 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: you out of bed? First thing, in the morning, Is 565 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: it out in your work world, is it your family? 566 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: For me, my motivation is my grandchildren. I get six grandkids, 567 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: and fundamentally, what I want in life is for them 568 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: to have a chance to enjoy a healthy, robust, enjoyable 569 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 2: state that I grew up in, where they're snowing the 570 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: mountains in the winter and there's salmon in the rivers 571 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: and there's trees that haven't all burned down. Fundamentally, that's 572 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: what that's my motivation. My dad used to take me 573 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 2: down to the beach. I remember, I turn over little rocks. 574 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: He was a biology teacher and he tell me about 575 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: the biology of the shoreline. I was very excited about that. 576 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 2: Now when I see my grandkids turning over rocks and 577 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: looking at the little crabs and limpets, and they have 578 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: that same joy I did at the natural world, and 579 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: I want them to be able to have that in 580 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 2: their lives and not have an epidemic of asthma and 581 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: be able to look up a mountaineer and see white 582 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: on mountaineer and frankly, unless we change dramatically, they're not 583 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 2: going to have that in their lifetime. To me, that's 584 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: sort of terrifying to think that they would look up 585 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 2: a mountaineer and not see any snow. That white dome 586 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: to me is you can always look up a mountaineer 587 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: anywhere Western Washington, and it's this cathedral that we worship. 588 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: So that's my motivation. But my second is the confidence 589 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: I've got from the people I know who are building 590 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: these clean energy jobs and so and so. I feel 591 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: a combination of a demand for action and also a 592 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: capability for successful action. And it's that capability that I 593 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: try to share with people so that they get confidence 594 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 2: to act. I think, actually, that's our enemy. Here is 595 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: a fear that we can't team this beast, and that 596 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 2: leads to passivity. What leads to action is confidence in 597 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: ourselves and in our community. And there's a lot of 598 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: reasons to have that right now. So I try to 599 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: share that with people. 600 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: I love that, And you're right, you know. I think 601 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: when you look at a problem that feels so big, 602 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: sometimes the bigness of it can you know, get at 603 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: your worst insecurities. You go, well, what am I going 604 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: to do about this? How's one little person going to 605 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: change this? But I think the neatest thing about living 606 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: in a society like ours, or looking at a problem 607 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: like the climate crisis, is that we can all do something. 608 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, much like you feel so passionate about your 609 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: environment in Washington, I feel the same for the forests 610 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: I grew up near in California. I feel the same about, 611 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, the beautiful Upper Peninsula in Michigan. My best 612 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: friend and I run our business ventures out of there 613 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: because we love the state so much. We want to 614 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: preserve the water and you know, all of the agriculture there. 615 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: And we've got a young guy who we work with 616 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: who started a company there that I think you love, 617 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: called just Air to work on air quality monitoring because 618 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: he was fine these rising incidences of asthma in certain 619 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: populations and said, you know, climate justice is also about 620 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: human justice. And I'm so inspired by what he's doing. 621 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: And he's one of the people that reminds me to 622 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: keep going. So I love that you have all these 623 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: people that remind you to keep going too. It feels 624 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: just feels like we got to be in it together. 625 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: And if you lose a little bit of faith, all 626 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 1: you have to do is look for somebody who's doing 627 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: something good, and you're reminded that you're capable of doing 628 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: the same. 629 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 2: He said, some very profound. Each of us has a 630 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: role to player. Each of us could take action on this. 631 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 2: All of us have capability to take action on this 632 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: in so many different ways, not just through a political sphere, 633 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 2: in our personal lives as well. What we make of 634 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 2: personal decisions have an impact as well. By the way 635 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: you mentioned Michigan, I trust that you have called everyone 636 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: you know in Michigan. Oh yeah, uh this week, Yes, sir, 637 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 2: trust I trust you've done that already. 638 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: Indeed, I've called everyone I know in Michigan, North Carolina, 639 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: i've ever left. 640 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate that this air quality too. You said something 641 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: else I think is very important is that this is 642 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 2: about people, not just polar bears. This is about people. 643 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: This is what we're doing this for humans. We love 644 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: polar bears, we love penguins, and I actually do. I've 645 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 2: painted paintings of them. But it's about us, not just them. 646 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 2: It's our lives. It's our kids with asthma, and there's 647 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: an epidemic of asthma right now. And I got on 648 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: this air quality issue about twenty years ago or fifteen 649 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: years ago, when I met a young woman who did 650 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 2: some research at age fourteen about the correlation of proximity 651 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 2: to freeways and asthma and found this one to one 652 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 2: correlation and which has now been confirmed by the epidemiologists 653 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 2: at the Irish Washington. So yes, it's an air quali. 654 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 2: It's a breathing issue, right. It's not just getting to 655 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 2: go skiing, although we care about that, just about going fishing. 656 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: It's about where you can breathe in a school room. 657 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 2: And right now we have people trying to repeal in 658 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: my state the law we call the Climate Commitment Act, 659 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: which provides funds in part for schools to get air 660 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: filtration systems and heating and air conditioning systems so kids 661 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 2: can breathe in school because we have these forest fire 662 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 2: problems now so terrible that kids can't even go outside 663 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: in August. So it's fundamental to our health, human health 664 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: and penguins count two. I love my grandkids. 665 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: That's the thing. When we solve the problems for them, 666 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,479 Speaker 1: we solve the problems for us too. Would you say 667 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: that the Climate Commitment Act because and I asked this 668 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: question because I've heard you talk about it a lot 669 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: and I'm incredibly inspired by it, is that one of 670 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: the things you're most proud of having gotten done over 671 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: the course of your time as governor. 672 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 2: Yes, because it's the thing that long term will the 673 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: most lasting impact for my state. If you look at 674 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: all the things we work on, We've had a lot 675 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 2: of things. We've improved our access to college. We have 676 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 2: the best college financial system in the country of the 677 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: best paid family medical leave we have that's beenimum wage. 678 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: We've got the first long term care plan for folks. 679 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: We just had a much more progressive tax system we've adopted. 680 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 2: We've had two huge transportation systems. We've made a lot 681 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 2: of progress over the last twelve years. But the thing 682 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 2: that one hundred years from now will be the most 683 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 2: consequential is the work we've done to stop climate change 684 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 2: from burning down all our for us, melting all of 685 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 2: our snow, and preventing us from have water to drink. Okay, 686 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 2: So that will be the most consequential thing long term. 687 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: And we have made significant progress, and I'm proud of 688 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 2: what our state has done. I do think we have 689 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 2: at least maybe a tie for the best climate policies 690 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: in the United States. So we are very proud of 691 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 2: and which are going our jobs as well. So we 692 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 2: feel good about that, but there's more work to done. 693 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 2: We're not done. There's going to have to be continued work. 694 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 2: We've set the foundation, but the governor's after me will 695 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 2: have more work to do. 696 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: You've just listed such an incredible I mean, it's a 697 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: laundry list of accomplishments. Really, what's led to your decision 698 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: than to not run for a fourth term as governor? 699 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: You've served in so many offices and done such a 700 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: beautiful job. Or are you just feeling like it's time 701 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: to pass the torch? 702 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: Well, I just yeah, there's just a time. And sometimes 703 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 2: I should have a more trite answer to that question, right, 704 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: Like you know, I got inspiration from some source that 705 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 2: should be trite. There's no trite answer to it. I 706 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 2: thought it was time for the state to have a 707 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 2: chance for different leadership after three terms, and to some 708 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 2: degree a little bit it was complicated by COVID, where 709 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 2: I had to exercise extreme levels of executive decision making. 710 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 2: I thought, particularly with that, that it was important for 711 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 2: the state to have a chance to have new leadership, 712 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 2: not just in the Governor's office but in the Attorney 713 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: General's office. Because I have a cascading effect. Right, So 714 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: I opened up I opened up a dozen offices when 715 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 2: I decided not to run, and I thought that the state, 716 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 2: that's just the right moment to allow new, younger leadership 717 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: to have a shot. It is not a lack of interest, 718 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 2: though I intend to be very active working on clean energy. 719 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 2: What I will be looking for is the best place 720 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 2: that I can be most effective in developing a clean 721 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: energy economy and fighting climate change. And what that will be, 722 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 2: I don't know what it'll be, but I intend to be. 723 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 2: I intend to be full time active in this pursuit 724 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 2: in some other way. 725 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: I love that, because what you're really talking about is 726 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: making sure that you continue to push for progress in 727 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: whatever way it can best be achieved. And I think 728 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: that requires an energy of service that goes far beyond 729 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: just elected office. It. It really is such a signal 730 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 1: to me that someone's done really healthy work on themselves 731 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: and their ego to say, hey, like this is how 732 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: I am of the best highest good for my community. 733 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: I feel like you'll continue to be Washington's best grandpa. 734 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: You were talking about your grandkids. 735 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 2: I think you. 736 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: I think you're the grandpa of the whole state. And 737 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch you lead on climate in 738 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: in you know this next iteration. 739 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 2: As you think about the best grandpa, I just no, no, 740 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 2: I just have the best grand kids to the best grandmother. 741 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 2: I will tell you that. So fair point, you've got 742 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 2: that going for it. 743 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: I love it as as we look out, you know. 744 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: And if there may be a two prong answer to this, 745 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: you know, it might be part one message to the 746 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: vote now that we're less than a week out from 747 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: election day, and part two is a personal answer. But 748 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: I always love to ask guests to leave us with 749 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: this final question, which is, as you look out at 750 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: the landscape of what's ahead, what feels like you're work 751 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: in progress right now? 752 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 2: You mean for the country or may personally. 753 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: Well, normally it's a personal question. But I know we're 754 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: a week out from an election, So if you want 755 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: to give an election answer and then your personal answer, 756 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: I'll take two. 757 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very focused right now on the fact that 758 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 2: someone a terrorist at burnt up one of our drop 759 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 2: boxes down Washington, right and right now I'm focused on 760 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 2: finding that culprit and, as the FBI said, neutralizing it. 761 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 2: That's what I'm focused on. I'm also focused on an 762 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 2: effort to cure those people. It could be a thousand 763 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 2: ballots that were burnt up for making sure those voters, 764 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 2: no matter who they voted for, I make sure their 765 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 2: vote gets counted. So I'm intensely focused this morning on 766 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 2: a program to make it as easy as possible for 767 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 2: those people to get substitute ballots into their hands. Thank you. 768 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 2: It's a very immediate focus. I just got off a 769 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 2: call with the FBI an hour ago, and I'll be 770 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 2: talking to the local auditors and Secretary of State two 771 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,439 Speaker 2: thirty this afternoon to both make sure we shut down 772 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 2: that threat and provide the appropriate security for the drop 773 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 2: boxes and help these people get their ballots to be counted. 774 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 2: So that's my immediate focus. Then we'll go to the 775 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 2: next crisis. 776 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: I love it. And what about for you just elected office? Aside, 777 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: but maybe as you think about the landscape of your life, 778 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: your family, what you're excited about once we get past 779 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: the election and we come up to the holidays, what's 780 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: on the goals list for you? 781 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 2: Prudy and I will look for the best that we 782 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 2: can advance this cause that we've been working on together 783 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 2: for thirty years. This has been a thirty year effort. 784 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 2: I started in nineteen ninety two working on climate change. Yeah, 785 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,399 Speaker 2: and so we're not going to stop. So near term 786 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 2: horizon is to figure out where we can do the 787 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 2: best good, and we'll figure out where that is and 788 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 2: who that is. I don't know. I haven't really searched 789 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 2: for that at the moment, but I'll be looking for it. 790 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: It's a good goalpost. I think best and highest good 791 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: is a pretty very to have. 792 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 2: There. 793 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: You go, well, Governor, Thank you so much for taking 794 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: time out of such a busy moment in our history 795 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: and in your state for sure, and coming to talk 796 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: to me and all the rest of these voters. We 797 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,720 Speaker 1: greatly appreciate your time and I look forward to remaining 798 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: in the climate fight with you. 799 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 2: Thank you. We've got some work to do. Let's go 800 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 2: win it, we do, sir. Good luck, Thank you. 801 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: To you soon. 802 00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh