1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Pushkin. It's been almost thirty five years since the Beastie 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Boys released the all time classic Licensed to Ill, and 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: while some of the record's lyrics and antics sound is 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: dated as the Porky's Movies, the album is still exceptional 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: for Beastie Boys fans. Licensed to Ill is a glimpse 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: into the lives of mca ad Rock, Mike d and 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: their first djane producer, Rick Rubin. Their debut album as 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: a pastiche of inside jokes in musical inspiration pulled from 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: the classic rock and hip hop records they listened to 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and Rick's college dorm room. Rick recently connected with Mike 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: d ad Rock and Spike Jones, who directed the New 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: Beasties documentary, with Spike playing moderator. They teleport back to 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: the early eighties and talk about their lives leading up 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: to the release of License to Ill. It's all here, 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: the inspiration him brass Monkey, Rick's infamous bubble Machine, and 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: why DJ Double R bailed on the Beastie's first big 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: break opening up from Madonna on her Like a Virgin 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: tour in nineteen eighty five. This is broken record liner 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: notes for the digital age. I'm justin Richmond, It's been 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: about twenty years since Rick and Adam Horvitz have talked, 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: and like most Zoom calls, their reunion gets off to 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: a glitchy start. Mike d kicks things off. Oh who's Adam? Hi, 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: what's up, sir? Rick? You look different. It's good to 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: see you. You look the same. Yeah, No, that's a lot. 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: That is an abomination. Mike, you look great. Don't start, Adam, 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: don't start. Don't start. Rick. First of all, very nice 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: to see. It's been a long long time. The last 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: time I can remember a speaking was at one of 29 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the Tibetan freedom shows. You have a good memory. Then 30 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember that, and that had to be. But 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: I mean, just time wise, putting a time stamp on 32 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: it that was at least twenty years ago. It's unbelievable. 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: It's surreal and it makes no sense. I mean, from 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: my perspective, it makes no sense. I'll say, I haven't. 35 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why it worked out that we've not 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: hung out in that amount of time. I'm just I've 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: been so busy, you know. I can remember there was 38 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: a little window of time that we started spending a 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: little bit of time together in Los Angeles right when 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: you came to Los Angeles after I was already there, 41 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: and I can remember we had lunch at Hugos. God, damn, 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. Oh yeah, I'm back in the 43 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: Hugo's days. Michael, tryan to talk pasta ala mama, Yo, Michael, 44 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: tryan to talk right now. We hung out a handful 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: of times, and I remember seeing you and I think 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: something something happened that. I don't know what happened at 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: the party for the Blood Sugar Sex Magic album at 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: them it was that album, That's what happened. Oh my god, 49 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I got daggers today coming with all cylinders. You guys, 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: we can see, we can see, we can see. Wow, 51 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in a mood today, dude. I think 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: Adam for your along with your daggers, I think you 53 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: need like you need a bank of sound effects, like 54 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, doub siren. No, no, no, I'm just in 55 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: a mood. Let's get all the dagger out. Let's let's 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: do let's what's what's the show? Rick? What happens on 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: your show? What's what is it? I wouldn't call it 58 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: a show, It's a It's usually a conversation. And I 59 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: talked to different artists and they tell me stories about 60 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: what they do. It's not unlike what happens in a 61 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: recording session before the music gets made. That's typically what 62 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: it's like. Just kind of and and especially if it's 63 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: someone that I don't know learning who they are. Can 64 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: I start with a question, which I know is but 65 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, so I want to ask it. Do 66 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: you find that you more often find out things that 67 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: you don't know about people that you do know when 68 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: they're doing your show, Or do you find stuff about 69 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: somebody you do know that's doing your show more in 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: an unexpected way than somebody who you don't know at 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: all who's doing your show where you have no background. 72 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: In both cases, I learned a tremendous amount about the 73 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: people I'm talking to. It's maybe more unusual with people 74 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: that I know, because I get to talk about things 75 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: that we don't normally talk about, Like I was thinking 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: about even from the time that we knew each other 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: back in the day, stuff we never talked about, Like 78 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys about high school, Like 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: I don't know what your experience at high school. I 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: was just curious, Like, Wow, I was around. It was 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: about the time you guys were just either just ending 82 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: high school or just recently ending high school, and like, 83 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: what was that like? We talked about that. Well, it's 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: funny to think, actually, as you say that, because we 85 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: spent so much time in your dorm room, I've never 86 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: once pictured you in a class. I had no idea. 87 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: I never even thought that you actually like attended class. Yeah, 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't attend many, right well and angels. Conversely, 89 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: when we were in your dorm room, Rick, it's because 90 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: we were not going to school, right, So it's like, yeah, 91 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: but that's a good point. We never ever talked about 92 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: we I never ever asked you about NYU ever. We 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: just for our perspective, we just thought, well, this is cool, 94 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: Like this guy lives in a dorm, he's going to college, 95 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: and we're in high school. Yeah, so this like this 96 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: is cool. Like you were like we thought you were 97 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: going to be the cool like you turned you know, 98 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: you were like the cool exclightly older guy. And then 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: and then also mistakenly, I think we thought, wow, we're 100 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: going to be hanging out in this dorm, which just 101 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: means we're gonna beat like tons of girls and this 102 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: is gonna be great, and we never talked to anybody. 103 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: It was not but it was not like that. I 104 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: mean for you to Mike Adam, what was your what 105 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: was your school experience like on sixty third Street? Um? Well, 106 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: I was. I went. I was supposed to go to 107 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Tech because I wanted to go to Stuyvesant, but 108 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: I didn't get in, and so I went to Brooklyn Tech. 109 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: And that was just too weird. That's a whole other story, 110 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: but tell it, tell that story. What was weird about it? No, Brooklyn, 111 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: Like I wanted to go to Stuyvesant because my best 112 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: friend Arthur went there, and and I didn't get in. 113 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: So I went to the other school you could go to. 114 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: It was a technical school in Brooklyn, and it was 115 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: massive and they had like metal detectors to get in 116 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: and it was this huge technical school, and I, like 117 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: I quickly realized after like the third day, like this 118 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: is not for me. I don't know what the it's fright. 119 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: It was just so overwhelming. Looking back, I wish I 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: would have actually stayed and learned something technical actually could 121 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: have helped me. But um so I just stopped going 122 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: to school for a while, and then my dad got 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: me into the school McBurney that it was a private 124 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: school uptown, and I was there for a couple of 125 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: years and then I stopped going, probably right around the 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: time I met you. And not that the two things, 127 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: not that two things are related. I'm just saying, what 128 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: was the experience like of the school, Like what were 129 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: the kids like the experience going to school? Because I 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: was also I got into graffiti because we were into 131 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: graffiti and so like that was the fun part about 132 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: getting to school. It is just like being on the 133 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: train and watching this, you know, just seeing who was 134 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: on there and all that stuff in the school. The 135 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: first school was just overwhelming. It was I can't even describe. 136 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: It was just huge with thousands of kids. It was 137 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: just a massive school. And then McBurney was like a 138 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: preppy school. It was like a I don't know, I 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: just seemed felt really out of place there. I felt 140 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: kind of dirty, like my clothes are dirty. Well can 141 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: you tell tell us the story, Adam, Why you never 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: returned to McBurney. Oh? Yeah, So they had the school 143 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: play was going to be Oliver, and so I did. 144 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: They had auditions and I and I sang for the 145 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: audition consider yourself at home, And I'd never really sang 146 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: out loud before, and I was so bad that I 147 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: just left the school that never went back. Incredible, But 148 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: I will say I think you'd be a good artful 149 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: artful dodger, artful dodgery. Yeah, good even now then now 150 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: in between, I know, but it was singing. I can't sing, 151 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: as you know, I can't sing, but I can, but 152 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: it's just bad. Yeah, yeah, it's not. You're you know 153 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: you're not rapping fourte, I get it. Adam. Did you 154 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: get into graffiti before before hip hop music or were 155 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: they simultaneous later later hip hop later? No, rap music first? Definitely? 156 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: Oh okay, And do you remember what were the record 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: stories that you guys hung out in? Did you guys 158 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: hang on record stores? All? I knew you hung out 159 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: at rat Cage, But was that like the first record 160 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: store where you would like spend time, like the rat 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: Cage you were at, like that that was the first 162 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: record store where I, like, I felt comfortable talking to 163 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: the person behind the counter. I would go to Bleaker 164 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: Bob's all the time, like get like get off the 165 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: train coming home from school and I go to Bleaker 166 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: Bob's and I'd be terrified because Bob was always there. 167 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: He yell at you know, yell at you, yell at me, 168 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: and he had that huge Doberman pincher. She was scary 169 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, and they were always mean to me. Do 170 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: you mean to everybody? You would always say random, weird 171 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: jewish stuff. To me. I was just like a little kid. 172 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: I just wanted to find out about what cool, what 173 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: was new, what was cool? And I didn't know and 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: they were so mean. But then then at school, I 175 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: do remember going to nine nine Records. Yeah, that was 176 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: where I hung out. I loved I loved ninety nine. 177 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: My memory of the of those days were that the 178 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: whole schedule of the day was based around going to 179 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: the club. Did you guys feel that way as well? 180 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Or no? Oh? Yeah, like that was the that was 181 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: really the primary thing every day was what club was 182 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: going to be that night, if there was going to 183 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: be a band if not, what DJ's to go to 184 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: see and where to hang out. Well that's why the 185 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: Rackage record store was was great because it was the 186 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: first record store that kids hung out at for me, 187 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: at least, you know what I mean. The other record 188 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: stores that I used to go to, you know, kids 189 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't really hang out and Bleaker Bob's maybe, but that 190 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I didn't like it there, and so Rackage was like 191 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: a meeting place, like a hangout place. And later your 192 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: dorm room was going moving the needle forward a little 193 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: like when we would hang out with you, when we 194 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: go to your dorm room. I remember like every day 195 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: like it was just kind of like go to your 196 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: dorm room and then figure out what we were doing 197 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: that night, and what we were doing that night always 198 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: revolved around what club we were going to. I remember 199 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: it always being around music. Even during the day. We 200 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: would make mixtapes and sometimes sit out on the front 201 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: the front of the dorm with boom Bach and listen 202 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: to music, and it seemed like that's all that it was. 203 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: That's all it was going on. All that seemed important 204 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: was music and what we were going to eat and 205 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: what we were going to listen to. And Mike was 206 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: clearly focused on hooking up. Literally, we know I was interested. 207 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't very good in that arena, yeah, but yeah, 208 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: but I was interested. Where did the original Volkswagen emblem 209 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: come from? That was from my friend Laura Shilson it 210 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: was on her wall. So wait, wait, I don't understand. 211 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: But it wasn't on her wall on that chain, I 212 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: don't remember. I think she just had it on the wall. 213 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: She took it off a car, and for some reason 214 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: I had it and then put it on a string, 215 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and then you took it. That's what I love about 216 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: being a teenager, how much stuff just sort of goes 217 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: from one kid to the next to the next. So 218 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: I just I remember. I feel like I feel like 219 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: you and Yell came over and it was like you 220 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: gave it to me in a glorious presentation. Yeah, I 221 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: like in my revisionist history. I feel like like some 222 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: like it's almost like I feel like I was knighted, 223 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: like you guys gave me bestowed. It was bestowed upon you. 224 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: It was bestowed upon me, and then I could become 225 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Mike d I'm gonna dispute that, because think about it, 226 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: what have I ever given you? I feel like I remember. 227 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: I feel like I remember this happening though I feel 228 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: like I was there for that yes to bestowing. But 229 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: I do feel like and I don't know how it 230 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: ended up being on the chain. I don't because I 231 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: don't think it was on that chain somehow, like that 232 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: chain was like sitting around and I don't remember that exactly, 233 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: but I remember them. Once I started wearing that, it 234 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: was kind of like then it was like I felt 235 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: like everybody felt like, all right, I could I could 236 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: beat Mike Tea. Now that was your Superman came. Yes, 237 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: it was wow, Rick, When you first met these guys, 238 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: what was like? What are can you think of a 239 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: time where there sometimes when you were like, oh, I 240 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: get them, I understand who they are, Like I understand 241 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: who Yoki is or who Adam is, or who Mike is, Like, 242 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: what was your sense of that? Well? I remember meeting 243 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: Adam first through Dave Skilkin, and I remember Dave Skilkin 244 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: was sort of the in my mind, the glue, Like 245 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: he was a kid who was just super friendly and outgoing, 246 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: which I don't think any of any of us were. 247 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: I thought we met you and I met because of 248 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Nick Cooper. Could be wrong. I remember Nick Cooper, but 249 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: I didn't remember that's how we met. I do, Rick, 250 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: remember I remember Nick Cooper telling us about you and 251 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: being like, yeah, there's this You got to meet him 252 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: because we'd put cooking us out when I really needed 253 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: a DJ. It's like, you gotta meet him. He's into 254 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: like the stuff that you guys are into, and he's 255 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: a d K and he's got all the equipment at 256 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: According to Nick, remember I asked her out. He's like, 257 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: he's got a bubble machine. That was his big line. 258 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: That's true. I'll see that it's true. Rick is confirming 259 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: the bubble machine. Well, it's true that I had I 260 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: know I had access to a bubble machine access. Yes, 261 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: I never know. We were writing the book, you were like, Rick, 262 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't no, I said the bubble machine, and You're like, 263 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so. And then you called Rick and 264 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Rick was like, yeah, I don't know about a bubble machine. 265 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: I was like, you both are crazy because there was 266 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: definitely a bubble There was a bubble machine. Why else 267 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: would you want to meet someone exactly, Oh, they have 268 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: a bubble machine. Okay, I'll go the funny. The funny 269 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: thing is is that the bubble machine was something that 270 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: just was at the dorm. It's like, uh, and when 271 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: I heard that there was a bubble machine there, it's like, 272 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: oh wow, we gotta have a party. We have a 273 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: bubble machine now. So let's have a party, and that 274 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: was where the Bubble Machine story began. Rick, I'm curious about, 275 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: like just what your relationship with with each of the 276 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: and was, like I can remember spending the most time 277 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: with Adam, and it seemed like our friendship had mostly 278 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: to do with music because that's what we just listened 279 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: to music all the time, as I recall, and DJing 280 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: in music, and then I think I met the other 281 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: guys through the story of Cookie Puss after Cookie Puss 282 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: was already out and then wanting a DJ, and then 283 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: I came to a couple of shows in DJ the 284 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: after the live set, as I recall, hard to remember 285 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: first impressions. I remember seeing Mike before I met Mike 286 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: at Nagrill one night, and I remember someone saying, oh, 287 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: that that's one of the guys in the Beastie Boys, 288 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking it was just like it was 289 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: just a weird I had a weird impression, not good 290 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: or bad, just like he's a kid, feels like maybe 291 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: my age, maybe a little younger, and he's in a band, 292 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: and I remember he was I think, I think you 293 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: may have been pretty inebriated that night, Mike, and I 294 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: just remember thinking, Wow, this guy seems like a little 295 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: like uh, seems like revd Up, you know, like revd Up, 296 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: like tough, tough guy, Mike. You mean like he's just 297 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: like bad boy. No, no, no, just like like enjoying himself. 298 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: Like he was hitting it hard. Yeah, he goes hard 299 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: in the paint. He went hard in the pain. He 300 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: was going hard in the paint and it was impressive. 301 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: Come on. I don't remember being inebriated that night, which 302 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I wasn't. But what I do. What 303 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I do I do remember is two things. One is 304 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: that was a really really important night for like us, 305 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: for you, Rick is like a part of us, like 306 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: because that was like where we really saw like hip 307 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: hop came, like I talked about it in the book, 308 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: where hip hop came downtown and all of a sudden, 309 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: there's a treacherous three and then I think it was 310 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: like next week was Afriga Bembada and Chazy Jay if 311 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't that night whatever, and it was like this, 312 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: it was the most anything. But so my thing in 313 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: terms of compensating, I think there's like, of course I 314 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: was completely It's funny because I look I think about 315 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I think back on those NC Grill nights, and I think, wow, 316 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: I was like so intimidated. I was so scared to 317 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: be there, but I was loving every second of it. 318 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: I was. There was no like club night. Maybe that 319 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 1: was more influential or exciting to me, but but I 320 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: was compensating from being intimidated. Probably but like because I 321 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: was with like my group of like friends, I was 322 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: probably acting like, oh yeah, I got this, but I 323 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: definitely didn't have it at all. We'll be right back 324 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: with the Beastie Boys and Spike Jones. After a quick break, 325 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: we're back with more from the Beasties and Spike Jones. Rick, Well, 326 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: what did you know about about the Beastie Boys at 327 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: that point or what did you what was your impression 328 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: to him? Had you ever heard of him? I don't 329 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: think I knew anything. I think the first thing that 330 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I heard of the Beastie Boys was Cookie Posts, which 331 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: I loved, and Imber. I was in San Francisco and 332 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: I heard it at a she was a writer and A. Yeah. 333 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: I think it might have been in Powers and I 334 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: think I was stay staying at her like lofty place, 335 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: and I think I heard it there. I don't know 336 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: if she played it, or if I heard it on 337 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: the radio in San Francisco when I was there, but 338 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: I remember the connection of being at her house and 339 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: hearing it, and I thought, wow, that's really cool because 340 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: I was really really into hip hop at the time 341 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: and felt like it was the first punk rock expansion 342 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: towards hip hop. That's what it felt like. It was 343 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: as much a punk I would say it was as 344 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: much a punk rock record as it was anything else. 345 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: Compared to hip hop records, it was punk rock, but 346 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: compared to other punk rock records, it was more hip hop. 347 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, wow, it's really cool and it 348 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: and it had a and I remember laughing at it 349 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: and laughing at it with it, you know, like laughing 350 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: with it, thinking this is really funny, it's really good. 351 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: And I remember I remember I remember Yauk and his 352 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: motorcycle jacket and his long raincoat, and at one point 353 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I felt like him and Nick Cooper kind of had 354 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: a similar raincoat vibe, you know, that raincoat vibe. Yeah. 355 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember how I met Nick Cooper, but I 356 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: remember that to me, it felt like an anomaly. But 357 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: in both cases, the raincoat vibe was not something you 358 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: saw kids in New York wearing like it was it 359 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: was a fashion statement to wear long, somewhat dressy raincoat. Yeah. Yeah, 360 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: the raincoat vibe played played strong. When I first met 361 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Yak at this Bad Rains show at Botany Talkhouse and 362 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: he was the only other kid my agea was there. 363 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is the kids wearing like 364 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: a trench coat and his combat boots and his like 365 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: hair spike up, like this kid's really cool. Yuck. Actually 366 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: kept that raincoat thing for that trench coat for a 367 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, that trench coat vibe work. Yeah, I 368 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: was gonna say. Also, remember Yeuk's obsession with the Bad Brains, 369 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: like it felt like nothing else in the world existed 370 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: other than the Bad Brains and kept that going for 371 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: a long time too. Yeah. And I remember as a 372 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: as a music fan seeing that sort of obsessive dedication 373 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: and just thinking, wow, he's really again going hard, like 374 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: he's going hard for this thing that he loves. Did 375 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: you do you feel like you got the answers that 376 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: you wanted? Yeah? Well, actually yeah, I'm always curious what 377 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: I mean, when you're like eighteen, it's kind of hard, Like, 378 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: how would you describe somebody you meet is kind of 379 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: hard because it's more about like what common interests, like 380 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: being having the same music interests. But did you have 381 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: a sense during like just not knowing these guys then 382 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: how you would describe each of them. I never really 383 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: thought about it. I did feel likely felt that I 384 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: felt like the place that I grew up in and 385 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: the people I was around and where I grew up 386 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: had a big impact on what I what I saw, 387 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: what I knew, and I felt like their life experience 388 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: was very different than mine, and it was just interesting. 389 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: And in some ways, um, I thought it was a 390 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: good thing, and in some ways I thought it was 391 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: a bad thing from from my perspective. Yea, And what way? 392 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: What way was it good? What way was it bad? 393 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: You're talking about like a long n link kid versus 394 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: a city kid kind of right, Yeah, I would say 395 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: like they had better access than I had, because this 396 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: is pre internet, Like now, everyone could find out anything 397 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: they want about anything. Where I was, it was hard 398 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: to find out anything about anything. I'd spend a lot 399 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: of time in the library doing research, and even that 400 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: research wasn't sort of cultural of the moment research. It 401 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: was just what I could learn about things I was 402 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: interested in and then spending a lot of time in 403 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: record stores is my closest way of having any connection 404 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: to culture, because where I lived there wasn't it didn't 405 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: really exist. Although there was a club called there were 406 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: a couple of nightclubs, and I did get to see 407 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: like the Specials played in my hometown, which was remarkable. 408 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: On the downside, I felt like maybe by living in 409 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: the city, it might narrow the view of what was cool, 410 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know what was cool coming from where 411 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: I came from, and the beauty of that was I 412 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: could see and hear everything. There was very little peer 413 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: pressure about about that where I lived, whereas I could 414 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: see if you were in the city, there was stuff 415 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: that was cool to like and not cool to like, 416 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: and that could have a limiting effect. I mean, I guess, yeah, 417 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: I heard led Zeppelin playing from like other kids at school, 418 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: but because and kind of like to your point, I 419 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: had already like decided, like I was so set on 420 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: making my identity about being into stuff that those kids 421 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: weren't into, I couldn't hear led Zeppelin. But then when 422 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: we were in your dorm room and all of a sudden, 423 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, you put on. When the levee breaks, We're like, 424 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: what's this? It's like the best thing ever or like 425 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: ac DC or you know, what do you tell me? Mike? 426 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: First tell me your memories of the dorm room. First off, 427 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: it's the first college dorm I'd ever have been in 428 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: period because you're in high school. I remember like just 429 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: being intimidated, like going up to the desk and I 430 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: guess it must have been like maybe mister Rick Rick 431 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: Midilla at the desk and like having to get the 432 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: pass or whatever to go up in the elevation or 433 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: being you get the visitor pass because we're visiting you, 434 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: and then I and then I remember being kind of 435 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: confused because you had a roommate. But then you I 436 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: think you had a roommate, right, I actually need you 437 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: to kind of like explain this to us, but I 438 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: think you had a roommate when we first went there. 439 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: But you had this huge pa in the in the 440 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: dorm room with like to sir Win Vega. You know, 441 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: there's like there's like the biggest PA I've ever seen, 442 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: like like somebody that I knew have. And then with 443 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: the turntables and like the drum machine and everything and 444 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: so so we loved it and we're impressed. So you 445 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: don't all this equipment. But I was very confused. I 446 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: was like, wait, how does Rick just like we were 447 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: listening to music really loud in your dorm room, which 448 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: and I loved it, But how were you? How is 449 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: this guy able to do this and like not get 450 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: kicked out of the dorm room and where's this roommate? Like, 451 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: I was just a lot of questions. Yeah, yes, all 452 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: all of that. Adam, what were you? What were your 453 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: memories of the dorm room? You know, first of all, 454 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: I was looking for a place to be basically, you know, 455 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: sort of in life and literally like not going to 456 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: school and needing somewhere to be. But also being around 457 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, older kids is cool when you're younger, you know, intimidating, 458 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: but you know kind of cool. You're like, oh, you 459 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: kind of think that you're one of the you know, 460 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: older kids now, And it was just it was just cool, 461 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, especially going to your dorm room. You had 462 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: just the records, the stuff, like, you know, two turntables, 463 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: a drum machine. I was like, I loved it. I 464 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: didn't have you know, I didn't have that stuff. I 465 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: didn't have all those records, so it was great. I 466 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: loved it. I mean yeah, like Ricky talk about access, 467 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: and yes we did. We did have like throw it 468 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: up in New York City, like when we talked about 469 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: it in the book and the show whatever. deVie was 470 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: a huge thing to us that we would just hear 471 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: music all around us, or that we go to rack 472 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: cage because we didn't want to find out what's happening 473 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: that night and somebody say, oh, this thing's happening, and 474 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: we would just go there because we had this access 475 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: as teenagers. But but in your dorm room, it was 476 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: just really exciting because they go. Adam said, we would, 477 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: I remember, like I was my I was again like 478 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: kind of confused, but so impressed when you you would 479 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: come you would I think I felt like you would 480 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: come deaf they delivered it to you. Or if you'd 481 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: come back every week with like a create record from 482 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: the record pool, yeah, and you remember that and we'd 483 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: all go we'd go through them and put like basically 484 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: everyone on to see what was good, what we like, 485 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: what we didn't like, whatever. We listened to every twelve 486 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: inch from that week, and that was such like an 487 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: exciting thing like I didn't. I didn't have the like 488 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: I had the money to get a single, like a 489 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: rap single every once in a while, but I certainly 490 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: would never think and never had the money to buy 491 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: two copies of the same record. That just seems nuts. 492 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: And so to go to your place and you had 493 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: two copies of all these singles I loved, and we 494 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: had two turns. It was just amazing. You know, it 495 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: was nice to see you too. Obviously I'm in should 496 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: I feel used? I never did get that Bubba machine 497 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: access right, But then also I think an Adam and 498 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: I've talked about this, like there was it was interesting. 499 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: We felt like we were trying to just think back 500 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: at like you know, when we first like we met 501 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: you then started working with you. It's like you had 502 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: especially like once you started started when you started producing 503 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: U with us and like producing our records, it was 504 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: like you had this confidence Rick that was like you know, 505 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: it's all like every either any of us were like, Rick, 506 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: what what record have you done? You know what I mean? 507 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: Like and we're all whatever, We're all of it's seventeen 508 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: eighteen years old. But it's like you had this confidence, 509 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: like you knew how you wanted things to sound and 510 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: looking back at it, like, I'm just so impressed honestly 511 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: with that, Like, who it's got to be pretty rare. 512 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: That's somebody like eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one years old 513 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: knows how they want, like what kind of what types 514 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: of records they want to make? Yeah, it's it's weird. 515 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: I I definitely knew. I had a clear vision of 516 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: what I wanted to hear. Really as a fan, it wasn't. 517 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: It was more, Um, I just loved it, and I 518 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: knew how certain things made me feel, and I wanted 519 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: more of the ones that made me feel good and 520 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: less of the ones that didn't make me feel as good. 521 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: And it was very pure. It was the same way, 522 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: the same way that you connected to it. I just 523 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: and I think maybe part of it might have been 524 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: that I didn't have brothers or sisters. You guys both 525 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: had siblings, and I think that changes it. It's like 526 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: I spent most of my time until I started hanging 527 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: out with you guys by myself, so it wasn't the 528 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: only opinion that I was around was my own. You know, 529 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: I didn't have an old older brother playing me music. 530 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have it all sort of had. 531 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: I had to find it and see what resonated with me, 532 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: And it had very little to do with the people 533 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: around me, because like in my high school, nobody liked 534 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: punk rock. I was the only person who like punk rock. 535 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: So I had no sense of community at all. When 536 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: I started listening to hip hop. At least there were 537 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: a couple of kids in my high school who liked 538 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: hip hop. Well, I'm going to change the subject for 539 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: a sec because there is something that I wanted to 540 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: know Rick. Yes, So, Spike, I don't know if you 541 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: know this, but so we got the gig to open 542 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: for Madonna on tour and Rick was the BC Boys 543 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: DJ DJ double R. And we played a couple of 544 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: shows and then he was gone. And he said that 545 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: his doctor said he had an inner ear situation that 546 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: he couldn't fly. And so I felt that that answer 547 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: couldn't fly. And so now I'm asking you, Rick, did 548 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: you just not want to do it or did you 549 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: really have an ear problem? One hundred percent true. Both 550 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: answers are flying with me. No, no no, no, of course, 551 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: one hundred percent true. I went to the clinic on 552 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: fourteenth there was a ear Nose and Throat Clinic on fourteen. 553 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: I had never been there before, and I went there 554 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: and they said, you have a terrible infection in your ear. 555 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: You got to take these drugs and you cannot fly. 556 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: If you fly, you'll probably lose your hearing in that ear. 557 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: So that was and and I it's funny because I 558 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: don't remember us talking about it, But also maybe part 559 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: of the reason we didn't talk about it was because 560 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: it was the tour was already ongoing, wasn't it. It 561 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: was like we were yeah. So I feel like we did, Like, no, 562 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: you don't. You flew out, Like you started the tour 563 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: with us in like Seattle and Portland or something. Yeah, 564 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: and then for some reason you would fly back to 565 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: New York. But we were still on tour and you 566 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: were you were supposed to meet us again, like in 567 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: Los Angeles or something, and then instead of meeting us, 568 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: you're like, you know, you had the ear infection. Yeah, 569 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: now we're finding out was legit. But at the time 570 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: we were like, ear infection, Well, I'll tell you everything. 571 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: Feel free to ask me. Everything was always legit. It's like, 572 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't I would have loved to I loved being 573 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: in the band. I loved doing the shows. It was 574 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: it was completely thrilling. I loved it. I feel in 575 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: some ways it's like the universe has this incredible power 576 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: to affect my ear and make me stay in one place. 577 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: And then it led to me focusing all my attention 578 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: into production instead of being in a band, which could 579 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: have been Like it could have been, that could have happened, 580 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: and it just sort of worked out the way Maybe 581 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: it was supposed to. I don't know. It feels like 582 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: in retrospect, looking back, I would have never made that choice. 583 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: While I'll say I didn't like traveling, I loved the 584 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: experience of playing in the band. It was super fun. 585 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: I thought the shows were great, Like I can remember 586 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: I can remember us playing at Radio City and just 587 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: how much the audience didn't like it, and I just 588 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: thought it was incredibly punk rock and fun. I can 589 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: remember Madison Square Garden and thinking it was it was 590 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: just like, we're playing at Madison Square Garden. Can you 591 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: believe this? We didn't even really, we didn't have an 592 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: album out. It was unbelievable, Right, What were the shows like? Rick? 593 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: It was? It was funny because we got to do 594 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: the crazy Beastie Boys show and lean into the craziness 595 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: of of this sort of heel persona, the bad guy persona, 596 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: and in front of an audience where it was completely inappropriate, 597 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: which made it even funnier. It's like, it's it's like 598 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: if you're if you're if you're doing a punk rock 599 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: show in front of a punk rock audience, there's this 600 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: camaraderie there, and if you're doing a punk rock show 601 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: in front of people who are not feeling it, it 602 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: really gets punk rock. It's like it gets it gets 603 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: elevated to this other thing, not for anybody but us. 604 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean I found it thrilling. Um. I know the 605 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: audience hated it, but that was sort of part of 606 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: the fun of it why they even more than hated it. 607 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's where it became thrilling to us. 608 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: Was it like these twelve year old girls and maybe 609 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: more importantly, their parents were genuinely horrified. They were they 610 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: were repulsed. I mean, and I had to be right, 611 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: I had to be there. We're a bunch of like 612 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: little white kid is yelling at them on stage like 613 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: you should be It's like, yeah, what is offensive? Yeah? 614 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, and for the record like Ricky, you know, 615 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you obviously had a big that was That was another 616 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: thing like along with introducing us to to heavy metal 617 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: led Zeppelin and Sabbath AC DC, you we also like 618 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: the wrestling thing was never cool. That was uncool to us, 619 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: right because we were these punk rock kids. It's still 620 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: uncos uncol to everybody. But you were totally you wet 621 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: like this like vocabulary in that world. And you immediately 622 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: saw like this opportunity with the Madonna tour that like, 623 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: oh no, it was like obvious to you, Like, no, guys, 624 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: what do you mean, You're just gonna be It's just 625 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: like wrestling, you know, you had So it's just pretty 626 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: weird to think about. Most people don't think about, like 627 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: if you have a band, it's going to open up 628 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: for this somebody who was like a cultural icon who 629 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: couldn't have been you couldn't have had a bigger pup 630 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: on the planet at that moment, Madonna like the biggest 631 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: star in the world. Most people just think like, how 632 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: do you put a good show together? And you you 633 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: saw it through this told the other lens it was like, no, 634 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: it's obvious. It's like wrestling. Well, the other part of 635 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: it was is no matter what we did, the audience 636 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: was there to see Madonna and they weren't gonna like 637 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: what we did regardless. So to really lean into that 638 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: idea of well, where the we are the bad guys here? 639 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: Where are the enemies? And to and to overcome that, 640 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: to play it with all this bravado like you're here 641 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: to see me and like it's just so ridiculous, so funny. Adam, 642 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: do you remember the stuff you said? I remember you 643 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: said some really come on you guys, most remember the best, 644 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: the big the best and biggest line was I am 645 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: the King of the Paramount, Like whatever theater we are at. 646 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: That's how Adam would open up the show. I am 647 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: the King. Um, you know Madison Square Garden. Do you, Adam, 648 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: do you see the humor in this now? Really? Now? 649 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: Of course I do. It's you're like you have this 650 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: space like I didn't like it? No, no, no, no, 651 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: we we also we also just did this shows a 652 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: bunch of times in the movie and hope it's like 653 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: it's fresh in here. Um, it was amazing, it's hilarious. 654 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a it's not a it's 655 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: not a wild idea, but it's a it's a it 656 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: is a great idea. You know, they're not gonna like us. 657 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: They're certainly not gonna love us. They might possibly be 658 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: like I didn't like that. But if we can guarantee 659 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: that they remember us by saying I fucking hated that, 660 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: and I will hate this and have this memory of 661 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: hatred for a long long time, that's an interesting way 662 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: to get your music through to somebody. Yeah, and it worked, 663 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: It worked, and we but I remember the time like 664 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: being convinced because it was like we look at it 665 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: in this like feeboy way of like, yeah, we're gonna 666 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: make a name for ourselves, and I did. We'll be 667 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: back after a quick break. We're back with the rest 668 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: of Rick's conversation with the Beastie Boys and Spike Johns. Hey, Rick, 669 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to ask about just is a 670 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: production on the first record we you know, we talked 671 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: about it a little bit in the show, but obviously 672 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: we have so much stuff, but that like, as as 673 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: a fan, there's some bands that take a while to form, 674 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: and then some bands that just come out fully formed, 675 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: like in that record, and even just actually the way 676 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: these guys described you with the confidence. It sounds like 677 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: you kind of came out fully formed in some strange, 678 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, amazing way. What was like, What was the 679 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: process of that first record. I can just remember that 680 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: every time there was a good idea, we would make 681 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: a new song. And I can remember the I remember 682 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: two parts. I remember the lyric writing, which would be 683 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: basically every night that we went out to the clubs. 684 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: I remember trading lines only with the hope of making 685 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: the other member laugh. Like I would always say stuff 686 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: that I would think would try to make Adam laugh 687 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: if we were hanging out, and if he laughed, I 688 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: would write it down and just collecting lines, and we 689 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: would both we would all do it back and forth 690 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: and collect up these mountains of rhymes, not so much 691 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: with a subject or a song in mine. Most of 692 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: the time it was more just good lines. Then I 693 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: can remember being in the studio, sometimes with Adam, sometimes myself, 694 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: just making tracks because it's what I was always doing, 695 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: and would just make tracks and just trying to make 696 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: something interesting. And I don't think I could separate it 697 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: in my head, but I knew the beats for LLL 698 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: were different than the beats for the Beastie Boys, and 699 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: the beats for the Best Boys were different than the 700 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: beats for Run DMC, and it seemed clear to me, 701 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: But I can't put a finger on what was different. 702 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: But I knew as they were as we were making them, 703 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this one, this one feels like lllbat 704 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: and this one feels like this could be a really 705 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: good Beast Boys record. Those like gated snare drums. I 706 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: don't know. I can't say, I can't I can't put 707 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: a finger on what it was. Do you remember sometimes 708 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: making the record where it's like, oh, this is what 709 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 1: like it sort of gave clarity to what the whole 710 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: record is, like a decision, a beat, a lion. No. 711 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: I remember I was in Electric Lady working on the 712 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: Cults album Electric and I got a call from Mike 713 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: and Mike said, Hey, how come our records not done yet? 714 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: And do you remember this, Mike, No, not at all. 715 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: This was amazing because I think this was like you 716 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: guys were on tour. I assume I was. This must 717 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: have been post ear infection. Well, no, we were probably 718 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: on Raising Hell at that point, and I remember like 719 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: a somewhat heated conversation where you were like dude. You 720 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: didn't say do but like the equivalent of dude, But 721 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: why is I mean, we're on tour. Why is our 722 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: album not done? And I said, you know, it doesn't. 723 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: And I remember, it's like it doesn't just happen, like 724 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's not happening because I don't want it 725 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: to happen. It. Each of these things arrives when it arrives. 726 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying. It's like we didn't 727 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: go into the studio every day with the idea of, Okay, 728 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna make something today. It was more like making 729 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: beats in the dorm, listening to records, like coming up 730 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: with what us what a track was gonna be, which 731 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: sometimes would be six weeks or two months between songs. 732 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: You know, it took. It was a long period of time. 733 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: I can't remember from the time that we made whatever 734 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: the first song was for that record till we made 735 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: the last song. I'm guessing it was eighteen months. Could 736 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: have been two years. It felt like a long time. 737 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: And so also the other thing you guys talk about 738 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: miss Mike and I'm talking about in the show is 739 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: going away on tour and coming back and you'd finished 740 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: the record and mixed it, and they were surprised that 741 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: it was this big thing where they thought they were 742 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: making a sort of more low fi punk rap record. 743 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: Talking about that was that something you always saw, you 744 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 1: always and knew that that was the sound? Not at all. 745 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: In any case, there was no preconception or what something 746 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: was supposed to sound like. It was just making it 747 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: sound as good as it could sound for what it was, 748 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: whatever it was. It's like SAME's true with LLL or 749 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: SAME's true with Raising Hell. It wasn't like there was 750 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: no thought to it. And the gated snare thing was 751 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: like a it's interesting you bring it up, because it 752 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: was a it was like a moment in time. And 753 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: I think it was really what was the art of noise? 754 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: That it was the thing that got everyone excited about 755 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: this kind of drum sound, and that was probably like 756 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: experimenting in that art of noisy way that led to 757 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: That's my guess. If you had if you had Art 758 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: of Noise to oven and man Parish twelve innch, which 759 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: one would you put on first? Both? I liked them both. 760 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: We can't put on both first. No, I wouldn't depends 761 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: on It depends on the scenario depends on the scene. 762 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: So you read a room, Yeah, it going off. Can 763 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: you turn the fucking roosters down in the mixt please? 764 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: Roosters are feeling it. The roosters are deep in the 765 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: paint today. Oh God. I wanted to ask Mike and 766 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: Adam about their memories of chun King also, oh man, Yeah, 767 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: so that's a good question. I well, I feelings like 768 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember, I think I was. We were 769 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: with you Rick and we were talking and Jaburnette was like, oh, 770 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: you guys gotta work at this place. I don't. I 771 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: don't think he said chun Kings. We I feel like 772 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: we named chun King. He's just like, oh you got 773 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: oh a seeking is called secret Society, then that's right. 774 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: He's like, you got to work at the studio my 775 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: friend's studio, Secret Society. But he was like talking about 776 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: that I guess, like the Nive console or something that 777 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: stuff that he as a kid, I didn't really understand, 778 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: but he was all excited about it. So we were like, okay, bet, 779 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: and then we go there and it's just kind of like, 780 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, we don't really know about studios, but it's 781 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: just like kind of bummy yeah, you know, like it's 782 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: not like nothing, there's nothing fancy about it. It seemed 783 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: like every other week, like we'd go there one week 784 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: and the next week like walls, like they always kept 785 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: moving walls around. Yeah, do you remember that? Like, yeah, 786 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: I do. I remember because it was kind of a 787 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: loft space that the guy built out and he was 788 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: just kind of moving stuff around. It was a weird place. 789 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: I remember when we graffitied. We graffitied the wall behind 790 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 1: the console, and at first, like I kind of remember, 791 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: we got yelled at. And then it became the thing 792 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: of the studios that everybody came there and did graffiti 793 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: while they while they recorded. I remember the first time 794 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: that we went there, psyched, We're gonna go to a 795 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,760 Speaker 1: recording student. I've been like the young and the users 796 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: recorded at a nice recording studio. And this place was 797 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: like a fucking dump. Yeah. It was fucking literally a 798 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 1: dead fish in the fish tank and it was dark. 799 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: It was like super dark, like everything was dark. I 800 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,359 Speaker 1: was like, why why is it? Why are we going 801 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: to the scary like haunted house? Remember walking up it 802 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: was like five flight walk up. It was dirt, dingy, 803 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: dirty place. No, I remember the elevator because it was 804 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: all graffiti and somebody wrote their name. It was all 805 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 1: this graffiti, and someone wrote jose Ninas in the top corner, 806 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: and every time we got in the elevator, we thought 807 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: that was the funniest name. And it literally we laughed 808 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: every time we were in that elevator because Ninus is 809 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: a funny last name. I feel like we we laughed 810 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot at chum King. Yeah. Well, and on the 811 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: way there and on the way out, like it was 812 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: just it was I think part one of the key 813 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,959 Speaker 1: things about License was making it. It never felt like 814 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: we were making an owl like it just felt like 815 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: exactly what you just heard that. It was like that 816 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: was just part of all right, wake up, go to 817 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: your dorm room, listen to some records, you know, go 818 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: to Cozy Super and Burger Than whatever club's going on 819 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: that night, and said, if there's an idea studio. It 820 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: wasn't like that, you know, the clod like Adam said, like, 821 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: it's not like we were making an album for this 822 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: amount of time. And actually it's funny. I think back 823 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: at you talking about me calling you and making that 824 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: phone call and asked her, like, what's up with the record. 825 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: I kind of now I'm thinking back, and I remember 826 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 1: we were on the Raising Hell tour and I remember 827 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: Run being really excited Run and Russell getting me all excited, 828 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: like like you know, like you got a call like 829 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: what's taking so long with your album? Like you guys 830 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: should be like Run because he'd heard like by that, 831 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, he was so excited about Hold It Now, 832 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: which was Hold It Now was like one of those 833 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: songs like we're talking about, like we were out of 834 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: the club. I remember like we I remember you went 835 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: in there and just played like around like a bunch 836 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: of different like scratching things in off of records, and 837 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: I think they even put down the verses. And then 838 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: I remember you and Russell kind of like hearing it 839 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: after we've already already done some stuff, and you specifically 840 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: being really excited about it. I loved it, and you 841 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 1: were like actually more excited even than we were, where 842 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, this is it, Like this is 843 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: this is what you guys need to be making. Yeah, 844 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: it was mind blowing. I loved it. Oh you know, 845 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: quest Love just told me a story the other day 846 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: that I wonder if you guys know this in Philly. 847 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: When Hold It Now came out as a single, the 848 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: version that was released to radio was the a cappella, 849 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: which we called the Acapulco. And so in Philly people 850 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,919 Speaker 1: thought that the song didn't have a beat or any 851 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: music or anything. It was just vocals. Yeah, it was 852 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: just it was just vocals. And he thought, Wow, this 853 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: is the craziest record I ever heard. It's just this 854 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: rhyming and he said. And it was really well liked 855 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: in Philly, even though it was such such a crazy, 856 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, the first rap record not to have any music, 857 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 1: and it was a hit. And then when the album 858 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: came out and it had to beat, nobody liked it 859 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,879 Speaker 1: because they were used to the a cappella version, which 860 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: they thought was just like the greatest thing they ever heard. 861 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: We were talking to him and he was saying something. 862 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: It just reminded me of words that we'd tried to 863 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: force into like common you know speak. We'd pick random 864 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: words and be like, oh, no, this is this is 865 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 1: what people say. Now I can't Why am I blank? 866 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm like, I'm blanking on him so bad. 867 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: But we picked like a few different words yeah, or phrases. 868 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: It would be. Sometimes it be a phrase too, like 869 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: you'd you'd hear someone say something at the club that 870 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: was just normal to them and we would laugh, Like 871 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,800 Speaker 1: brass Monkey came from Jazzy J talking about what he 872 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: liked to drink, and just like, yeah, it's like, what's 873 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: funnier than brass monkey? Oh my god, brass monkey is 874 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: That was a crazy night with Tila Rock. Tell me 875 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember it. So you were producing a record 876 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: for a rapper named Tela Rock. Yes, and we were 877 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: going to go to the studio with you because that 878 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: we just that That's also what I like when you're young, 879 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: you're just you just go with your friend wherever they're going. 880 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: Like it's just funny to think about going with your 881 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: friend to their job, Like, no, you can't come to 882 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: my job. I'm working. What are you doing? And so 883 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,280 Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. The place was in Queens 884 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: or Long Island or somewhere. It was like it was 885 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: like we had to take a car. It was really far. Yeah, 886 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: and me and Skilcomb were there and it was just nuts. 887 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,479 Speaker 1: It just seems so growing. There was like grown ups 888 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: that we didn't know. I don't know Telea Rock, but 889 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: it was like a real rap scene. It was just weird. 890 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: And then Jazzy Jay passed around a bottle of brass 891 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: Monkey and me and Skilcombe were like, this is fucking delicious. 892 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't know that you guys. You guys actually 893 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: drank it. Oh yeah. The whole night was crazy. And 894 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: then we spraded in two separate cars and we're like 895 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: in Long Island, We're like, where are we and getting 896 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: white Castle? Anyway, it was a really it was a 897 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: nice night. Yeah. I remember going. I remember taking cars 898 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: to white castles. It was hard in Manhattan. It was 899 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: hard to get white Castle. I know, probably for the best. 900 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: But what do we say because rope a dope, like 901 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,240 Speaker 1: in late eighties rope, and I'm just I just remember 902 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: one word. We'd say that shit is dope and they'd 903 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: be like, that's dope. It's rope a dope. And then 904 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: we were like we was like, oh, that's rope, and 905 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: nobody like, no, not last rope. We said it did 906 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,439 Speaker 1: not last. That is so funny. It's too bad because 907 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of great. Nobody else was like, oh that's rope, 908 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: what do you I forgot rope? Rope is great. We 909 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: got to bring back rope. Rope is really fun. Me 910 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: though it's explaining the joke, it's not that good. I 911 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: feel like Flavor had a lot of the flavors normal 912 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: waves speaking, had a lot of references that could work 913 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: their way into songs. Like of everyone we hung out with, 914 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,319 Speaker 1: Flavor was a gold mine of phrases. I just wanted 915 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: you to know. The last time I saw Flavor, I 916 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: was in my car in New York stopped at a 917 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: red light, and he got in my car and I 918 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: was just like, what's like, someone's getting in my car 919 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: and it's Flavor, And he's like, yo, let's up, take 920 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: me to like thirty sixth Street, And so I drove him. 921 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, good to see you. Wow. 922 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: It was fucking nuts. Did you guys go to at 923 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,439 Speaker 1: all to the studio when Public Enemy was recording? No, 924 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: I just remember I remember going to their to the 925 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: radio show of the Spectrum City Yeah show in Long 926 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: Island and doing that, And I remember just like listening 927 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: with you and on our own then when we were 928 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: on to like listening to them demo for the song 929 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: Public Enemy number one, like I mean on repeat, Like 930 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a single demo. There's gobe no 931 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: demo we listened to that much. Maybe no single song 932 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 1: that we listened to so incessantly it was. That was 933 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: so mind blowingly good. It was incredible. I remember listening 934 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: to it all the time. I'm trying to think with 935 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: what were the other things that that were like that 936 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: were like they really took over our lives for a 937 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: period of time. Can you remember, oh, Eric Eric B 938 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: for president? Yeah, well I wouldna say that school school 939 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: D school school, egg PSK people and nothing but squares. 940 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: Remember like how many times we really listen to that 941 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 1: in your dorm room and everywhere else? Like yeah, when 942 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: he especially that thing of like school like school D's 943 00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: whole intro on that thing like nah, no school school, 944 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: what time is it? What was his DJ's name, code money, money, 945 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: get your fish code code cod So good, oh man, 946 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,240 Speaker 1: such good records, so funny. I mean, I guess whatever 947 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: we are of a certain age, so we that's but 948 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,439 Speaker 1: we will talk about often, like it is incredible how 949 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: many great rap records were coming out, like nineteen eighty eight, 950 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, like just mind blowingly good rap records. 951 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember which were the what were the 952 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: other ones that really like move the Needle for us 953 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: Zucker MCS was everything obviously right? They read DMC were 954 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: the I mean, they were the archetypes. They were like 955 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean then Jay talks so much about 956 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: performing and how to sort of put a rap show together, 957 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: um and how you know, I think got along with 958 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: you how to put a rap record together. Was there 959 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: anything else that we had that wasn't out, like like 960 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 1: with the Public Enemy TAPEBA is a demo? I remember 961 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: biz Markie was out. I remember when we heard that 962 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,120 Speaker 1: first bis Marquis Twilit and talking about it with DMC 963 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: and Jay and being really excited about it. You had 964 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: a demo for Slick Rick Children's Story Rick, Oh remember 965 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,319 Speaker 1: love that right? Right? Well? Because that was another thing. 966 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Lotti Dotti the show. We must have. We 967 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 1: must listened to Lotti Dotti the show again, unquantifiable amounts 968 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: of times. Do you remember the story of let me 969 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: where letting Me clear my throat came from? I have 970 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: a vague I have a memory, but I don't know 971 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: if it's accurate. No, tell me, I don't My memory. 972 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: Was that on LLL's demo tape that you found in 973 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: the box of demo tapes that came to the dorm. 974 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: Before he started rhyming, he said, and let me clear 975 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: my throat, And I remember that we for whatever reason, 976 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 1: it was the funniest thing we ever heard. It made 977 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was, It wasn't there was nothing funny 978 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: about it, but somehow the idea that that was the 979 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,360 Speaker 1: first thing said before the the song starts. I know, 980 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,840 Speaker 1: it's so easy to take that out now, do you know? 981 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,720 Speaker 1: It's so it's so easy, But back then you couldn't. 982 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,879 Speaker 1: You just you didn't know how to take stuff out, 983 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,839 Speaker 1: and just whatever you record it was on there. Yeah, yeah, 984 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was nothing. But for some reason, 985 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: I remember we latched onto It's like, this is just 986 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 1: the funniest thing we've ever heard. We just latched onto it. 987 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: And I can't remember how it ended up getting into 988 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 1: the song. I'm sure you were like, wait, let you 989 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:59,320 Speaker 1: should say let you should scream that really angrily. It's funny. 990 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,359 Speaker 1: It's so dumb. But again, it's the beauty of It's 991 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: in such a different context too, though, on this on 992 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,839 Speaker 1: our song as opposed to his demo tape. Yeah, well 993 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the montage of hip hop. That's 994 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,799 Speaker 1: how like recontextualizing things that you find in the world. Yeah. Yeah, 995 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: any other memories of dance eteria. I feel like that 996 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,759 Speaker 1: was sort of the place that I remember we went 997 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: to the most. So many I mean so much, so many. Um, 998 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: all right, where were sorry? I mean really that Yeah, 999 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: that was that was Dollie were the first places we 1000 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: would talk to girls I thought you were you were 1001 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: just claiming junior high school status, so you're doing all 1002 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 1: kinds of things, But um, all right, dance there, I 1003 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,800 Speaker 1: would say, like me, just like hearing you didn't know. 1004 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: They were like the songs that you would hear every 1005 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: every night, like uh uh app shoot you Down? Or 1006 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: or New Order, um confusion you'd hear like every single night, 1007 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: or didn't didn't do medium, medium medium medium. My favorite 1008 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,800 Speaker 1: top three favorite things of dance interia was being on 1009 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: that dance floor room, second floor, just in the corner 1010 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: by the stairs. Would always be hanging out, the music 1011 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 1: would be playing, people be dancing, and there was some 1012 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,520 Speaker 1: guy in the middle of the crowd would be like, 1013 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 1: wheren't that body And it wasn't just like once, it 1014 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: was like every night. Yeah, memories of the Roxy. I 1015 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 1: remember the Rocks. I remember two things. I remember Africa 1016 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: Bambada playing Uh, Tony Basil, You're oh, Mickey, You're so 1017 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: fine at the Roxy. So like you know, I'm there 1018 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: like a white kid at the Rosy is like the 1019 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,640 Speaker 1: most fee boy place ever. And here's Africa Bombada, one 1020 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: of the most important hip hop DJs ever, and he's 1021 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: playing Tony Basil like you know not there's nothing that 1022 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: I thought of rap like music like that when I 1023 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: associated with Tony Basil, and I was just like, wow, 1024 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: that's incredibly he could make Tony Basil old Nicky, you're 1025 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: so fine. Work in the Roxy was a credible that 1026 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: And then I just remember being scared to go to 1027 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 1: the bathroom at the Roxy. Roxy was just it was 1028 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: just like dudes like selling coke and getting high and 1029 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: like shit was scary. I just felt like I was 1030 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: gonna get robbed in the bathroom. Yeah, well that that 1031 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 1: I remember because I went to Roxy when I was 1032 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: a kid because it was a roller skating place and 1033 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know how to rollerskape, but 1034 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 1: like it's like a thing you go and hang out 1035 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: at the roller skating place. And so then later A 1036 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: few years later, Roxy was a thing where we would 1037 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: go to, you know, the disco, and I remember when 1038 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,439 Speaker 1: we were there. I don't know it was the first 1039 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,920 Speaker 1: time we're there. But then like fucking shots rang out 1040 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: and someone had a gun and was shooting and people running. 1041 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: I was like, this is not the same thing from 1042 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 1: when I was eleven, twelve, you know whatever, it's It 1043 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: was a place you put a bunch of teenage dudes 1044 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,439 Speaker 1: in the same place and weird shit's going to happen. 1045 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: Why is that it is the case? But why teenage 1046 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,479 Speaker 1: dudes are stupid? I don't know what to say. Yeah, 1047 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that the Hey Mickey reference that Bambody 1048 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: used and that probably led that hearing that there probably 1049 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: was a step in why the song It's Tricky got made. 1050 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: Oh there you're gonna say world destruction and for him 1051 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: it's like the same beat, yeah, because world destruction is 1052 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: like the same beat. Yeah. Yeah, I just I just 1053 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 1: remember It's Tricky being like feeling. There were certain vibes 1054 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: that you would feel at a hip hop club that 1055 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 1: stood out that were different than the others. It's like, hmmm, 1056 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 1: how do you incorporate that feel? Because that definitely feels good, 1057 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: like we're in the club, this feels great. That's now 1058 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,440 Speaker 1: part of the language. Like that felt like, okay, that's 1059 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 1: part of the language. In hip hop. It'd be if 1060 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: you were in a band and somebody in a band 1061 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,919 Speaker 1: did a waltz beat instead of a four four beat, 1062 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: and you'd say, oh, that's a new part of the vocabulary. 1063 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 1: You can write a song with a waltz beat. Not 1064 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,920 Speaker 1: matter at a waltz beat. I got, you know, I 1065 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: got tons of songs with walt speeds. Oh wait. One 1066 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: thing Rick I did want to say is you were 1067 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: talking about how I don't even know how to explain 1068 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 1: it to people, or maybe it's not even worth trying 1069 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: to explain, but like we were talking about opening for Madonna, 1070 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 1: but that it's it's also it's very interesting. We look 1071 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 1: obviously we've we've changed a lot through the years, but 1072 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting to me because people know I 1073 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: feel like relate to us or a lot of people 1074 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,680 Speaker 1: know us just from like license to old Beastie Boys, 1075 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 1: and then there's a lot of people that grew up 1076 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 1: with us through a lot of stuff whatever, but a 1077 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: lot of people know it's just like it's in that 1078 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Increa Nation license at all time. And I think it's 1079 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,439 Speaker 1: interesting with you. You were like such a big part 1080 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: of like when we were opening up from a data 1081 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: and this like this whole idea like persona. But then 1082 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: people actually know you now, like from your persona now, 1083 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: not from like like how you would talk then. And 1084 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to explain when I try 1085 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,320 Speaker 1: to explain to people how you would talk in sort 1086 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: of like when you're excited about, like for wrestling, and 1087 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,720 Speaker 1: how you would do that, I don't even know how 1088 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,400 Speaker 1: to capture it or explain it. Yeah, it's definitely a 1089 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: ramped up character inspired by like Roddy Piper would be 1090 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: one of the key get Rick Flair, the guys who 1091 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,479 Speaker 1: would who you'd want to see lose and who would 1092 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 1: often find a way to win through cheating. But they 1093 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: were the funniest. They always like the bad guys in wrestling. 1094 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,880 Speaker 1: The bad guys have the best lines. So they were 1095 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,680 Speaker 1: the most charismatic and funniest characters. So I put on 1096 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,880 Speaker 1: that air that has to do with Youth, Michael Youth, 1097 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. Thank you for doing this. Great 1098 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 1: to see you, Adam. I'd miss you. I love you 1099 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,120 Speaker 1: and I look forward to continuing U B bridging the 1100 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 1: years that we've missed. Love it too, Rick. Nice to 1101 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,440 Speaker 1: talk to you, Thank your rigors. Great to see you, 1102 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,959 Speaker 1: Spike a pleasure. I miss you. I miss you. Better 1103 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: see you later you guys by right. Thanks to Mike, 1104 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Adam and Spike for taking the time to catch up 1105 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: with Rick. 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