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Speaker 1: of crying? Uh? Well, everybody, Uh, I know, we've done
Speaker 1: this before, and we decided, based on some some listeners suggestions,
Speaker 1: that we were going to do another show of shorts
Speaker 1: because we've got a number of stories that don't quite
Speaker 1: flush out to a full one, so we decided we
Speaker 1: just bring them all together and make one big show
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Speaker 1: let's let's get into the first of our stories today,
Speaker 1: which I guess somehow I got voted to go first,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the crew of the Sarah Joe. Okay. The Sarah Joe
Speaker 1: is a is a story that starts in Hannah, Hawaii,
Speaker 1: which is I believe is on the is on It's
Speaker 1: in Maui County. But I couldn't figure out if that
Speaker 1: was actually on the island of Maui or not. Did
Speaker 1: you not? Just like Google Map? I did Google Map,
Speaker 1: but Google Map wouldn't say this island's name is Maui.
Speaker 1: It was really being a jerky. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to use maps. I know it's on the windward
Speaker 1: side of Mali, the westward side. Yeah, he's using body
Speaker 1: talk exactly. So the story starts on February eleven. We've
Speaker 1: got five local men. Their their construction workers. They've been
Speaker 1: working on a friend's house who is one of the five,
Speaker 1: and they decide, you know, we just need to take
Speaker 1: a break and we're gonna take a fishing trip for
Speaker 1: the day. These five men, their names are Peter Hanschett,
Speaker 1: Benjamin Colama and I'm gonna do my best with this.
Speaker 1: Ralph mala Kaya Kiny Scott. I think it's Malaya Kiny.
Speaker 1: It might be my Malaya keiny, I'm not sure. And
Speaker 1: the lastly, the last gentlemen on here would be Patrick Woesner. Uh.
Speaker 1: They all set sail for this trip. They borrowed a
Speaker 1: seventeen foot Boston whaler which had the name of Sarah Joe,
Speaker 1: thus the name of the story. The crew of the
Speaker 1: Sarah Joe and they said, hey, it's first thing in
Speaker 1: the morning, we're to take off. And they leave, first
Speaker 1: thing in the morning. Weather's nice, weather's fine, they leave.
Speaker 1: Nobody really worries about it, except that afternoon the season,
Speaker 1: the weather gets a little nasty, the seas start to
Speaker 1: get rough, and by that evening it's a terrible storm
Speaker 1: has hit the island, to the point that a brother
Speaker 1: of one of the men who was on the boat
Speaker 1: said that it was the roughest that he had ever
Speaker 1: seen the sea in that area get. So it turns
Speaker 1: out going fishing wasn't such a hot idea. No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't the best idea. Why didn't they just check like
Speaker 1: yahoo other or something? Exactly, yeah, exactly, they're according to
Speaker 1: this guy, that the swells were forty feet and breaking
Speaker 1: at the crest, and the winds were more than fort
Speaker 1: that's huge season. It's actually when you're in seventeen ft boat,
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder why they didn't just head right
Speaker 1: in when things started to kind of turn and the
Speaker 1: wind picked up, Well, go ahead. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this fairly recently, that it
Speaker 1: turns out that one of the safer places to be
Speaker 1: in bad weather is at sea. Obviously like not in
Speaker 1: a tiny boat, though not in a tiny boat. But
Speaker 1: if your choice is you know, you've kind of missed
Speaker 1: your window, right, maybe you're like too far out. If
Speaker 1: your choices stay at sea and try and write it out,
Speaker 1: or try and make a super dangerous docking to get
Speaker 1: off this boat, you're probably just going to decide, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just see if we can't ride out these waves,
Speaker 1: instead of having no idea that this is not the
Speaker 1: worst of it, but it's going to get worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly the point everybody starts getting concerned. So we've
Speaker 1: got Peter Hanschett. He's one of the guys that was
Speaker 1: on the boat. His father John got concerned and decided,
Speaker 1: even though this weather was terrible, to go out and
Speaker 1: look for him, and he was joined by a gentleman
Speaker 1: by a marine biologist in the area named John not
Speaker 1: In I believe it's how you pronounced his name. And
Speaker 1: Captain Jim Cushman, who was with the Coast Guard, the U. S.
Speaker 1: Coast Guard, and these two actually came in. They came
Speaker 1: in by I believe it was the third day that
Speaker 1: the boat had been missing, So it wasn't that they
Speaker 1: all went out right away, but over time these people
Speaker 1: joined the search. No trace was ever found of the
Speaker 1: Sarah Joe in those searches. By the way they did,
Speaker 1: they did also search by plane, etcetera. They did, they
Speaker 1: sent out planes. I think they looked for about a
Speaker 1: week or two. The accounts very in the reporting that
Speaker 1: I found, but they were I mean, it's huge area,
Speaker 1: and the season are pretty quick moving in that area,
Speaker 1: so it except where you're gonna look, kind of expands
Speaker 1: really fast. Well. And also, I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you're lost at sea, right, It's not like if
Speaker 1: you get lost in the wilderness, people can you know,
Speaker 1: like find traces of you because you've like bumped into
Speaker 1: a tree or like you're leaving tracks behind you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: piles of poop are like fire and camp debris like
Speaker 1: this is the c It moves so quickly. Like you know,
Speaker 1: Steve was just saying, you know, it's not like you're
Speaker 1: gonna just miraculously find like some pieces of the boat
Speaker 1: just just floating wherever. I mean, you know, it's so yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know again the CEA, it's harder trace.
Speaker 1: I always think, oh, yeah, because there's no fire or whatever. Exactly,
Speaker 1: there's there's no obvious signs left on the surface. I
Speaker 1: think it's where we're headed with. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: can sink without a trace. Yeah, and so nobody found
Speaker 1: any sign of them. Now we step forward ten years later,
Speaker 1: it's and if you remember John Notton, he was one
Speaker 1: of the guys the marine biologists. He was on a
Speaker 1: while life expedition on a toll which is called and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to help me out here if I
Speaker 1: butcher this Tony or Tonguyk something like that. Well, this
Speaker 1: a toll, which is part of the Marshall Islands, is
Speaker 1: two hundred miles two thousand miles west of Hawaii, which,
Speaker 1: to kind of give people a scale for in the
Speaker 1: global scheme of things, if you look at Hawaii and
Speaker 1: then you go west, it's halfway between Hawaii and New
Speaker 1: Guinea and the Philippines, which is it's yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: an itty bitty a toll. It's really small, and I'll
Speaker 1: get into some of the basic basically that's yeah. Yeah, um, well,
Speaker 1: not discovered a boat on the island. It was a
Speaker 1: small boat, and he was kind of confused, and he
Speaker 1: checked it out and then he saw the registration number
Speaker 1: and he recognized that it was registered in Hawaii. And
Speaker 1: several from several feet from the boat he found and
Speaker 1: again this is where the accounts very a little bit.
Speaker 1: He found either a a grave marked with heaped stones
Speaker 1: with a cross made out of driftwood, or a shallow grave.
Speaker 1: In either case he found in that either sticking out
Speaker 1: it's sticking out somewhere from it a jaw bone, human job. Yes,
Speaker 1: And the coastguard got involved because there was a body
Speaker 1: part of a body anyway, and they be traced to Hawaii. Right,
Speaker 1: not that the coastguard, just like there's body parts on
Speaker 1: an island, some island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the boat had a registration number or something,
Speaker 1: and he right, and you know, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like every state has a certain way of making your
Speaker 1: license plate numbers. Well, he recognized the registration number being
Speaker 1: a Hawaii number. I'm guessing it means it starts with HI.
Speaker 1: But so I know he didn't dig up the grave,
Speaker 1: but he did he grabbed the job own and take
Speaker 1: it back with him. I couldn't find if he picked
Speaker 1: it up and brought it back with him or if
Speaker 1: somebody else came out and collected it and figured it out. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the coast Guard, like we said, got
Speaker 1: involved and they figured out that through the dental records
Speaker 1: that the job bone belonged to Scott Mormon, which was
Speaker 1: one of the five of the men that were missing
Speaker 1: on the Sarah Joe, and the registration was that it
Speaker 1: was the Sarah Joe. So here's the Here's I mean,
Speaker 1: this is one of many weird bits. So the job
Speaker 1: bone and the boat being they're not weird enough. But
Speaker 1: here's another weird bit. It's entirely possible, based on the
Speaker 1: currents of the ocean, that over the course of three months,
Speaker 1: a boat could drift from Hawaii to the Marshall Islands.
Speaker 1: The problem is, however, is that there was a government
Speaker 1: survey all the islands previously to this discovery, and that
Speaker 1: that was done in about and when of what the
Speaker 1: Marshall Islands. Yeah, and the Marshall Islands, Oh gosh, who
Speaker 1: owned Who is it that is registered under? I want
Speaker 1: to say it's the French, but that is absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1: But they went there and they did a survey because
Speaker 1: they check out wildlife and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: which would be four years after the Sarah Joe disappeared.
Speaker 1: There's no boat there. They didn't record that there was
Speaker 1: a boat there. So after that time frame the boat
Speaker 1: mysteriously came aboard and mysteriously this body was buried on
Speaker 1: the on the atoll. Just just doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: because it's a weird amount of time. It's conceivable though,
Speaker 1: because I mean, it may be that the body and
Speaker 1: the boat were sort of washed shore, but they got
Speaker 1: covered by sands and then later on weather and waves
Speaker 1: and wind uncovered them again. That's ye, that some of
Speaker 1: somebody came along and buried the body and put across
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, so it's possible. It's also possible that
Speaker 1: these guys who were actually being paid to survey the
Speaker 1: islands were actually sort of took them, did some shortcuts
Speaker 1: it didn't go to every single one of the one
Speaker 1: of them that they were supposed to be. And that's
Speaker 1: a good point because this particular toll is the north
Speaker 1: most toll of the Marshall Islands, so it's the farthest
Speaker 1: north of the group. So it may have been that
Speaker 1: during the survey they were running a little behind some stuff.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to know that we didn't go there. Well
Speaker 1: let's just call it good. Yeah. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's really the case, but this has led a lot
Speaker 1: of people to try and figure out, well, what happened
Speaker 1: to the crew and how did the boat get here?
Speaker 1: And the theories that I've found there's there's not a lot,
Speaker 1: but there's a couple. And the first one is, well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of Scooby doo hinky. That's that's my best
Speaker 1: way to describe this. And I found this on a
Speaker 1: blog and this is the only place that ever said
Speaker 1: I found this, But we'll just go ahead and run
Speaker 1: with it. Is The theory is that a the crew
Speaker 1: survived the storm, but for whatever reason, their boat was incapacitated,
Speaker 1: so they're just floating at sea and they're found by
Speaker 1: another vessel. That happens to be pirates are, so we're
Speaker 1: going with pirates here. A confrontation ensues and at some
Speaker 1: point Mormon is killed and his body is left on
Speaker 1: the boat, and then the other crew members are taken
Speaker 1: off of the boat and they just they just leave
Speaker 1: the boat. I'm guessing the idea was to scuttle it
Speaker 1: and let it sink, to hide the evidence and let
Speaker 1: the body is sink well. And the other thing is,
Speaker 1: if I'm a pirate, why would I scuttle a perfectly
Speaker 1: good boat that I could scrape all of the registration
Speaker 1: off and then resell. Because the value is not in
Speaker 1: the people, it's in the boats. Yeah, they had nothing
Speaker 1: useful ondem except for some beers they could actually keep
Speaker 1: it for a for a tender for their boat. Did
Speaker 1: that to re name it? Because can you see Sarah
Speaker 1: Joe pirates? You know seriously? Yeah, yeah, it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like a very pirate theme name. Well, that's that's the
Speaker 1: first theory that we've got. The second theory is that
Speaker 1: everybody went somewhere. So run with me here with this,
Speaker 1: because this is this is part one. This theory is
Speaker 1: kind of kind of splits off. So this is part
Speaker 1: one of the every body else went somewhere. Some Mormon
Speaker 1: stayed with the boat, and everybody else left mysteriously. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of theories trying to explain why the boat
Speaker 1: and Mormon, like I said, ended up on the island. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: if we think about the storm that was reported, this massive,
Speaker 1: massive storm in this itsy bitsy boat for all intensive purposes,
Speaker 1: a tiny boat in a giant storm, it's quite possible
Speaker 1: that through the swells, people were getting washed off the boat.
Speaker 1: So it could be that Mormon Odysseus style ties himself
Speaker 1: to the boat. Well, he ties himself to the boat
Speaker 1: thinking everybody else has been washed overboard, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to go overboard because these kind of this Boston whaler,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have what's the term joe when you've got
Speaker 1: an enclosed cabin. It's got a close cabin, that's the
Speaker 1: exact word. It's an open boat. So he may have
Speaker 1: tied himself on thinking, well, if a big wave hits,
Speaker 1: at least it won't knock me overboard. These boats. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've talked about this yet, but the
Speaker 1: Boston whalers, they're reported to be virtually unsinkable. The gimmick
Speaker 1: has always been for the company that makes the Boston Whalers,
Speaker 1: they will take a saw to their boat. I think
Speaker 1: was in the sixties. The guy who started the company
Speaker 1: took a big saw, cut the boat in half and
Speaker 1: then motored the back half and towed the front half
Speaker 1: behind him. Because they're built with a styro from hall
Speaker 1: with fiberglass around him, so they will float regardless. So
Speaker 1: he might have known this and said, well, the boat's
Speaker 1: not gonna go down. I'm just gonna hang on for
Speaker 1: dear life. Yeah, yeah, okay, so let's just that he
Speaker 1: did that. I guess. Yeah, they'll float regardless. Anything will
Speaker 1: float regardless, unless like literally it's just filled with water,
Speaker 1: you know, which a forty foot swell would do. You
Speaker 1: would swamp a boat because you know this is having
Speaker 1: looked at pictures now, it is literally just like the
Speaker 1: hull of a boat. It's not there's just no it's
Speaker 1: just it's a windshield or a windscreen and a steering
Speaker 1: wheel and open boat. Yeah, that's all these seventeen footers are.
Speaker 1: So I can imagine if they were in forty ft
Speaker 1: swells that it could have taken on a whole buttload
Speaker 1: of water. And just and washed a couple of guys over,
Speaker 1: and in desperation, what do I do. I'm going to
Speaker 1: strap myself in because it's better to go down with
Speaker 1: the ship. Well, you know, the ship's probably not going
Speaker 1: to go down if you know about the boats. They
Speaker 1: might go to the water level, but it won't go
Speaker 1: all the way under right, it's so buoyant. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we've got that. The theory then runs that he dies,
Speaker 1: whether that is Mormon dies from an injury that he
Speaker 1: sustained when the boat's being flipped around, or he's tossed
Speaker 1: around or what it might be, or he survives the
Speaker 1: storm but then dies of dehydration or starvation. He's he's
Speaker 1: tied to the boat. He's now he's now permanently with
Speaker 1: a boat that he can't get off of, which was
Speaker 1: a great idea when there was a storm, yep, but
Speaker 1: maybe not so great after the fact. Regardless, he stays
Speaker 1: with the ship. The body stays with the ship, and
Speaker 1: it floats and runs aground on this atoll. At that point,
Speaker 1: somebody else before not in finds the boat and they
Speaker 1: find the body, and out of respect, they bury the body.
Speaker 1: And there's actually a little bit of evidence that adds
Speaker 1: some credibility to that theory. All the reports say that
Speaker 1: when they found the body or found the jaw bone
Speaker 1: and they started digging the grave, they also found three
Speaker 1: quarter inch by three quarter inch strips of paper with
Speaker 1: foil on top of paper, so it was a stack
Speaker 1: of paper, foil, paper, foil, so on. So it's a
Speaker 1: stack of these. This is evidently something that is done
Speaker 1: in a Chinese burial ritual, and that's to represent money
Speaker 1: and fortune in the next life. So people have theorized
Speaker 1: that it might have been some guys who are from
Speaker 1: China fishing in the area illegally. They find the boat,
Speaker 1: they find the body, they bury it, they leave this
Speaker 1: bit of a token as a custom to ferry him
Speaker 1: into the next life with good fortune. But they don't
Speaker 1: tell anybody because they're they're illegally. And the last thing
Speaker 1: I want to do is report that I found this
Speaker 1: body when, oh, by the way, I shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: here in the first place. Is that the case. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but that's what folks have theorized. And I
Speaker 1: tried to find information about this supposed burial ritual. I
Speaker 1: found a lot of stuff that talks about there's the
Speaker 1: Chinese tradition where you burn effigies of things that you
Speaker 1: own in honor of your ancestors. So if you've ever
Speaker 1: been to like I've been to Chinatowns where you go
Speaker 1: into the store and paper cars and paper TVs and
Speaker 1: paper dresses and all these things their effigies that you
Speaker 1: burn in respect to your ancestors. Because your ancestor doesn't
Speaker 1: want you to actually burn the real thing because that
Speaker 1: would be a waste of money, but to burn these
Speaker 1: things in respect for them to help them in the
Speaker 1: next life. I don't know if if that's what it was,
Speaker 1: but they say that that's what was found with the body,
Speaker 1: so lend some creedence. That is part one of this theory.
Speaker 1: Part two diverges a little bit. Part two says that
Speaker 1: Warmon wasn't the only one who survived and made it
Speaker 1: to the atoll on the martialized lens. This version says
Speaker 1: at least one other person from the crew would have survived,
Speaker 1: and that they both made it to the Marshall Islands
Speaker 1: and tried to live their shipwrecked until they could be rescued.
Speaker 1: The issue is that this is a toll. If anybody
Speaker 1: wants to take the time to look this up on
Speaker 1: Google Earth. It's not a pleasant place. It's extremely arid.
Speaker 1: There's vegetation, but it's nothing that you would want to
Speaker 1: really eat. I mean's grasses and some bushes, but not
Speaker 1: food stuff. And how far is it from the closest
Speaker 1: next closest island. It's a couple well, it's it's like
Speaker 1: a hundred or from the next toll. But that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's a series of a tolls and then there's open
Speaker 1: ocean and then more tolls. And a toll, for anybody
Speaker 1: doesn't know, is literally a coral reef that has built
Speaker 1: up high enough to catch sand and then it creates
Speaker 1: and a toll typically will create a lagoon in the center.
Speaker 1: So this thing is kind of a a D shape,
Speaker 1: and the boat hit on the right hand curve of
Speaker 1: the D and that's where they found it because that's
Speaker 1: where the majority of the sand is at. That's a okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was thinking, well, maybe this
Speaker 1: person could have like escaped down the atolls to the
Speaker 1: Marshall Islands, which are inhabited and have some times of society,
Speaker 1: and but this is this is very far away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge distance to travel. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: here's here's okay, So technically speaking, you could possibly survive
Speaker 1: if you were living on this atollw what what's the
Speaker 1: distance to the net the very next door at all?
Speaker 1: Though we're talking. Yeah, that's why it's over miles if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. I don't have the number written down,
Speaker 1: but I know it's it's a disk. It's it's not
Speaker 1: like you could swim there in a day in shark
Speaker 1: infested waters, because they're literally it's shark infested waters. But
Speaker 1: you could live on the island sort of off of
Speaker 1: the vegetation. Well, there's a well, there's fish, there's a
Speaker 1: ton of migratory birds that come through there, crabs, so
Speaker 1: you can get protein. But the problem is water. Fort
Speaker 1: of annual rainfall on this at all, So that's not
Speaker 1: a lot of water. If you've got something to catch
Speaker 1: the water, that's great. But if you're just trying to
Speaker 1: live off of it pooled up, you are jacked. You're
Speaker 1: completely adolest. There's no way to make that happen. As
Speaker 1: the boat was the boat smashed when they found it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't say I know it wasn't in good condition,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't say what condition the boat was in.
Speaker 1: I know that one of the family members has the
Speaker 1: boat now and they have it as a bit of
Speaker 1: a memorial, and they mean because it's it's been the
Speaker 1: it was sev so we're at thet five year mark,
Speaker 1: so they just did a memorial at the thirty five
Speaker 1: year mark. But I don't know that the boat is
Speaker 1: seaworthy in terms of being able to actually go out
Speaker 1: and motor around in it. I just thought that to
Speaker 1: make a nice water basins, have the boats clean the
Speaker 1: boat out and set it out there to catch rain water.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it probably had holes in it, and
Speaker 1: it's probably too big for one man to drag on
Speaker 1: his own. Maybe two could do it. But we we
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've gone pretty far into the conditions
Speaker 1: on this a toll. But the theory is is that
Speaker 1: Mormon dies and then this other person, through some means,
Speaker 1: decides to get out of there. My friend has died,
Speaker 1: all my other friends are dead. I got to get
Speaker 1: off of this place, and somehow tries to swim away
Speaker 1: to find something closer for whatever reason. Well, he obviously
Speaker 1: tied some sea turtles together exactly. That's what I would do,
Speaker 1: because sea turtles are do this, whoa do Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's exactly yeah. But I mean the problem with the
Speaker 1: theory is, how would this person, other than swimming, try
Speaker 1: to leave because it seems like a foolish venture if
Speaker 1: to try and swim hundreds of miles or again, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can see the other tolls, right, but
Speaker 1: I guess it um a little matters like how banged
Speaker 1: up the boat was slash, how much of the boat
Speaker 1: they found, like if it had been cracked into he
Speaker 1: could have, like you know, makeshift paddled this boat out,
Speaker 1: since apparently they float if they're you know, cut into
Speaker 1: three pieces. Even you know, you you find a stick
Speaker 1: or something that will allow you to paddle, and you
Speaker 1: just say, well, you know, I can't see another island,
Speaker 1: but I can't live here, so I'm just gonna take
Speaker 1: my chances and paddle on out. But well, the hard
Speaker 1: part is, and what we don't know is did whoever survived?
Speaker 1: If there was this other survivor, I would think if
Speaker 1: I was going to go on the open sea on
Speaker 1: a itsy bitsy piece of styrophoe and try and paddle
Speaker 1: my way away, I'd want to have supplies as in water,
Speaker 1: So is there anything that they had whole water, because
Speaker 1: if you just go out on the paddle out on
Speaker 1: the ocean, within five hours you're dawned. Well, it kind
Speaker 1: of depends on what was left in the boat, Like
Speaker 1: say they went out with at least one cooler, and
Speaker 1: if they had to have the fourth thought to strap
Speaker 1: it into the boat, then you know, and it didn't
Speaker 1: get lost in the storm, then the cooler could actually
Speaker 1: hold water. Um, they might have had other things like
Speaker 1: Baylor's on board. Yeah, I mean, but the problem is
Speaker 1: there's not standing fresh water for you to collect. I guess.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, like you do dumb things to
Speaker 1: survive sometimes, like humans are great at making decisions in
Speaker 1: survival mode, and oftentimes they're just super stupid decisions like right,
Speaker 1: you've just watched your friend I. You're super dehydrated, you're malnourished.
Speaker 1: You think, well, I can't live here, don't have any
Speaker 1: fresh water, but better go out again. You know you're
Speaker 1: not that desperate, you know you do anything right. I mean,
Speaker 1: And there's there are by the way, they're they're they're waste.
Speaker 1: If you have if you have the problem with too
Speaker 1: there are ways to desalinate water and purified water. You know,
Speaker 1: plastic clear plastic sheet doesn't check every time, you know,
Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a drip system. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: really easy to do if you have if you're lucky
Speaker 1: enough to have some plastic sheeting they may or may
Speaker 1: not have had, right, Yeah, I guess something you're collected in.
Speaker 1: This doesn't address like the first theory that of course
Speaker 1: popped into my head was aliens. You're laughing, but seriously, like, okay,
Speaker 1: so if we if they really didn't find it when
Speaker 1: they did that geographic surveyor so you're you're using the
Speaker 1: time lag, okay, yeah, they like and then yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: something weird happened and then they popped out or you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of it dropped out. You know, they
Speaker 1: seem to have disappeared for a really long time. Is
Speaker 1: it possible that the survey crew just didn't hit that
Speaker 1: at all? Sure? But is it also possible that like
Speaker 1: there was some kind of time lapse and they just
Speaker 1: weren't there? Also? Sure? You know, you know, who's what
Speaker 1: who's to say that, like they can't say another island
Speaker 1: in between? Surely there are more islands in between. Hawaii
Speaker 1: and these atolls. Who's to say they didn't hit another island,
Speaker 1: stayed there for as long as possible, and then realize, crap,
Speaker 1: we can't live here anymore, or decided, oh we are
Speaker 1: going to live here, but our friend Mormon is dead,
Speaker 1: so let's give him a sea burial, send him out
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, there's this is one of those
Speaker 1: ones right where there's like so little information that there
Speaker 1: are a multitude of crazy and that's all we know
Speaker 1: is they disappeared on that day and ten years later
Speaker 1: the boat and a buried body was found. Was it
Speaker 1: a full buried body well or was it just but
Speaker 1: not not all the bones were actually in the grave. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I didn't get the impression that the entire body
Speaker 1: was there. The impression I had was the only thing
Speaker 1: was there was a job on, which would be wrong.
Speaker 1: I had heard that somebody else later on found a
Speaker 1: bunch of bones like vertebrate and stuff like, not in
Speaker 1: the grave, but like down by the water and the rocks,
Speaker 1: you know, near the water or something. Weird. It's so weird, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's all these there's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird conflicting stuff, and there's The problem with this is
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of interpreted writing about the story,
Speaker 1: as in people are taking liberties with it. And I
Speaker 1: know people take liberties with stories that we report, that
Speaker 1: we talked about all the time, but these people have
Speaker 1: turned it more into the story of the Sarah Joe
Speaker 1: and so they've you know, they write, this is what
Speaker 1: the crew did, and this is what they we're feeling,
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. Um. It's it's like
Speaker 1: that Movidra. Yeah, it's like the movie what is the
Speaker 1: Greatest Storm? The perfect story, the perfect story. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't know exactly why, but somebody went ahead and his
Speaker 1: dramatizing it on their blog or on their free riding space,
Speaker 1: and then that gets mixed in. Right, What we really
Speaker 1: know is boat disappeared, boat found, job, bone found, and
Speaker 1: I don't I mean other than the fact that okay, well,
Speaker 1: if truly it was found with this paper foil system,
Speaker 1: I could see that that being applausible explanation. But I
Speaker 1: have no idea what happened to the rest of the crew,
Speaker 1: nor what happened in the ensuing prior ten years. We
Speaker 1: assuming that they all five survived the storm and they
Speaker 1: found themselves obviously they must have been out of fuel
Speaker 1: or maybe their engine crapped out so they couldn't get
Speaker 1: back to Hawaii. So they were adrift for a long time.
Speaker 1: And of course now that some of them might have
Speaker 1: been injured somebody assuming what, or another would have died
Speaker 1: the hydration. And what do you do. You can either
Speaker 1: eat him, you know what, does nothing to happen, or
Speaker 1: more clearly, they just pushed him overboard and give him
Speaker 1: a barrel at sea, because you can't have a rotting
Speaker 1: corpse in your boat. Uh, that will kill you faster
Speaker 1: than anyhing else. Yeah, and so and that might have
Speaker 1: been the case that they kept dying off and getting
Speaker 1: thrown in the sea. Only one guy was left and
Speaker 1: he died eventually. And just you know, I spent years
Speaker 1: after that drifting in the boat, or months at least.
Speaker 1: And like Devin said, he could have gotten stuck on
Speaker 1: some of their a toll for a while before being
Speaker 1: broken loose and sat on onward. And yeah, I I
Speaker 1: can't believe that they made it to any island. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it's very it's amazing that they made land anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of is, Yeah, because boats drift for years
Speaker 1: and years and years and it never come aground. Maybe
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe he actually circled the world a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Who the hell knows, it's possible. This is
Speaker 1: such a good segue into my boat story. We should
Speaker 1: probably start on a year boat story, because really we've
Speaker 1: run mine into the ground. No pun intended. The boat
Speaker 1: ends up on an island, Yeah, my mine. Also it's
Speaker 1: you know, a boat on an island that a boat
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on, right, Yeah, I'm just gonna jump right
Speaker 1: into mine, you guys. So we're gonna talk about Bouvet Island.
Speaker 1: It's literally the most middle of nowhere you can be.
Speaker 1: It's widely touted as the most obsolete, not obsolete, what's
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, isolated, I want to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually southeast Oregon. It's um um four hundred miles
Speaker 1: south southwest of the tip of South Africa and about
Speaker 1: eleven hundred miles north of Antarctica, so it's in the
Speaker 1: Arctic Circle. But it's just, I mean, it's so far
Speaker 1: away from everything. There's there's really nothing around. There's nothing
Speaker 1: around it. Yeah, it's it's totally inhospitable to life. About
Speaker 1: nineteen square miles large of it is a glacier, again,
Speaker 1: totally inhospitable to life, and as is the case with
Speaker 1: many tiny, tiny islands, apparently, uh, they're super popular. So
Speaker 1: this island was first sighted. I'm just gonna give you
Speaker 1: guys a little history to like inform where we're going
Speaker 1: with this. Um. The island was first sighted on January one,
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty nine, by Jean Baptiste Charles Bouvet de Lozier.
Speaker 1: So that how you would say that great, my my
Speaker 1: French is really good. He that the island was later
Speaker 1: named for him. Unfortunately, this guy, you know, it was
Speaker 1: January one, he was probably super hungover. It wasn't great
Speaker 1: at accurately recording things because he wrote down the wrong
Speaker 1: coordinates and effectively lost the island until eighteen o eight.
Speaker 1: It's losing an island. The island. It's super tiny, right,
Speaker 1: It's so tiny and so out of the way. It's
Speaker 1: not even like there's an island like right close to it, right,
Speaker 1: like like we were just talking about with the atolls
Speaker 1: there within three hundred miles of each other. Right this
Speaker 1: actually yeah, this this is like a fun little bit.
Speaker 1: Thompson Island was said to have been close by quote unquote,
Speaker 1: it didn't never give like any kind of modical nautical
Speaker 1: miles or anything like that. But as it turns out,
Speaker 1: that was just a phantom island. It was. It was
Speaker 1: never an actual island. They were like, yeah, there's an
Speaker 1: island close to it, kind of it's called Thompson Island.
Speaker 1: It's It's another mystery in and of itself, the fact
Speaker 1: that like four or five different people said, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: an island over there, and it just never really existed,
Speaker 1: it turns out. So we'll talk about that maybe some
Speaker 1: other day. So in eighteen o eight, British whaler named
Speaker 1: James Lindsay spotted Bouvet Island and you know, named it
Speaker 1: after himself. Like yeah, so it's called Lindsay Island for
Speaker 1: a while. And then in George Norris claimed the island
Speaker 1: for the British Crown and named it Liverpool Island. Liverpool
Speaker 1: later my favorite shaped pool. So excited about this island
Speaker 1: that one there, Well, that's it, right, somehow super fopular island.
Speaker 1: That's not the end of the history of it. Later
Speaker 1: in seven Norway decided, oh, actually that's our island because
Speaker 1: we're really close in proximity to it somehow. Uh So
Speaker 1: they landed on it and declared it was the Dependency,
Speaker 1: and they renamed it after the original finder, Dudekay. Technical
Speaker 1: it is the technical term finder dude. Yeah. So in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one it became a nature preserve, although I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what they're preserving. I think ice maybe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there are they. I'm sorry, they call them
Speaker 1: sea elephants. Okay. In every literally every account I read
Speaker 1: of this, they talked about the cl elephants and I
Speaker 1: had to google it. What's the elephants were? I think,
Speaker 1: I think it's sea lions, but apparently other people call
Speaker 1: them sea elephants. Somewhere between nineteen and nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 1: some volcanic activity or maybe a landslide created a brand
Speaker 1: new ice free rocky part of Bouvet Island, and it
Speaker 1: included a small lake or lagoon. Always a lagoon, they always, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the atolls. They always call them a lagoon.
Speaker 1: But I guess if it's a body of water inside
Speaker 1: an island, then it's you know, I tend to think
Speaker 1: that a lagoon is attached to the outer to the ocean,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a harbor. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: was hard to kind of I guess us out. I
Speaker 1: looked at some drawings that expeditions had done, um, particularly
Speaker 1: pertaining to this little new bit and the mapping of it,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get a really really good sense of
Speaker 1: if it was a landlocked lake or a lagoon that
Speaker 1: like fed into the ocean. So that, again is information
Speaker 1: to keep in your mind as we talked about this story,
Speaker 1: because it drastically changes how weird the story. Well, and
Speaker 1: there's there's there's maybe I'm jumping ahead and the fan
Speaker 1: tell me, but I remember seeing the photo and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I never saw an outlet of the la dude. Well,
Speaker 1: but it depends on what angle that photo was taken from,
Speaker 1: because it's my impression that it was taken from a
Speaker 1: boat as they left the island. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to get too far ahead. Yeah, So, and actually I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody's ever got for a way through.
Speaker 1: And it's not that big, and nobody even knows it
Speaker 1: could be six inchest deep. I mean it could just
Speaker 1: be a big puddle. Well, actually we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: So this is an ice free area of Bubet Island.
Speaker 1: And as we previously for well for now, well, actually
Speaker 1: the um as we discussed it is great glacier. This
Speaker 1: is the seven percent that is not. And a geologic
Speaker 1: survey expedition that went there measured the ground temperature, stuck
Speaker 1: a thermometer into the ground. It is seventy seven degrees fahrenheit.
Speaker 1: So it's volcanic. It's super hot that area. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's super warm. But for ground in general, I think
Speaker 1: seventy seven degrees is pretty freaking warm activities. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I could stick a thermometer in the
Speaker 1: in the front yard right now and close. Sure. But
Speaker 1: for a place that's glacier, oh yeah, so it's not
Speaker 1: glacier that was in that that measurement was taken, so
Speaker 1: you can assume that that is the cooled version of
Speaker 1: the area that we're about to talk about or have
Speaker 1: been talking about. Again, accounts very but in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 1: either a helicopter or a British naval ship set out
Speaker 1: to explore this little bit of land because Norway it
Speaker 1: owns it now, so of course the British Navy took
Speaker 1: an extra big interest in it. Again, politics are hard
Speaker 1: to tell the tiny little places like this. I was
Speaker 1: thinking that it was that was a Norwegian ship or
Speaker 1: something like that that had a helicopter pad and a helicopter.
Speaker 1: It was British. Yeah, for sure. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: I am sure of in this story is that it
Speaker 1: was British. Yeah. They they go to explore this little
Speaker 1: bit of land. Um, they took some scientific measurements. Um.
Speaker 1: And remember this little bit of land is ten years
Speaker 1: old at the time. They take scientific measurements. They you know,
Speaker 1: kind of take a look around. Oh. And also they
Speaker 1: find a life raft in the middle of the newly
Speaker 1: formed lagoon. A life raft but actually digging a boat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a life like an old timey life raft wooden.
Speaker 1: And from the map that I dot and again I'm
Speaker 1: not saying with certainty that this is how it is,
Speaker 1: but it looked like it was cut off from the
Speaker 1: ocean with scree which is what they call um jagged rocks.
Speaker 1: So a man by the name of Alan Crawford was
Speaker 1: a part of this expedition and wrote a book about it,
Speaker 1: and he described the site Joe, would you chose my
Speaker 1: like go to reader, Yeah, what drauma, we wondered was
Speaker 1: attached to this strange discovery. There were no markings to identify,
Speaker 1: so old internationality. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it with the dumba accent on the rocks the hundred
Speaker 1: yards away. It was a forty four gallant drum and
Speaker 1: a pair of oars with pieces of wood and a
Speaker 1: copper flotation or buoyancy tank opened out flat for some purpose.
Speaker 1: Thinking castleways amount have landed. We made a brief search
Speaker 1: but found no human remains. So puzzled understandably, the expedition
Speaker 1: snaps a photo of the boat with an elephant seal
Speaker 1: close by. Another reason why they might have been in
Speaker 1: a rush to get out of there and headed off
Speaker 1: because their window of time to leave this island was
Speaker 1: limited because the weather is so bad. In fact, this
Speaker 1: expedition had to sit at sea for like five days
Speaker 1: because the weather was so bad that they couldn't land,
Speaker 1: and their entire expedition accounted for minutes. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: on the island, if I remember correctly. So that it's
Speaker 1: not a very thorough investigation. It's not. If you can
Speaker 1: stick with us, that mystery deepens a little bit. In
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, two years later, you know, give or
Speaker 1: take a couple of months, another expedition made its way
Speaker 1: to Bouvet Island, this time allowing much more time for study.
Speaker 1: They were really interested in that new area and now
Speaker 1: it had formed, and why it was remaining glacier free.
Speaker 1: And they spent a lot of time looking at the
Speaker 1: lagoon as well, because they thought, oh, this is inhospitable
Speaker 1: kind of area. It's subarctic, and we're really interested in
Speaker 1: what kind of life thrives in subarctic temperatures. They did
Speaker 1: a lot of measurements in the lagoon, talked about the
Speaker 1: different types of algae that had flourished there despite the cold,
Speaker 1: but never once mentioned the fact that there was a
Speaker 1: lifeboat in there, or oars or anything else on the
Speaker 1: shore around the lagoon, which leads many people to believe
Speaker 1: that two months later the lifeboat, ors buency devices, whatever,
Speaker 1: we're all gone. M hm, that was only two months later,
Speaker 1: two years years? Ask the two months? Sorry, I'm sorry now?
Speaker 1: Can I can I ask something to clarify because I
Speaker 1: didn't understand in the description? Is the buoyancy tank laid
Speaker 1: out flat? Does that mean somebody took a It was
Speaker 1: a copper tank and they hammered it open and hammered
Speaker 1: it flat. That's my understanding of it. And I wish
Speaker 1: that that picture was better. There's just the one picture.
Speaker 1: It's pretty picture. It's a pretty crude picture. But so
Speaker 1: you can see the lifeboat and an elephant seal, but
Speaker 1: you can't thought at first I thought the seal was
Speaker 1: the tank. Until I realized it was a seal. I
Speaker 1: felt really dumb. Yeah, like an elephant a seal shaped tank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's none of the other You can't see this stuff
Speaker 1: that that was apparently on this Okay, And so that
Speaker 1: for me is like a big I can explain away
Speaker 1: what happened there. If it's like kind of like just
Speaker 1: an inlet lagoon that opens up into the sea and
Speaker 1: has just a boat floating in it, right, But if
Speaker 1: it's a landlocked lagoon, this is a much larger mystery
Speaker 1: to me, right, yeah, right, yeah, well yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even understand why somebody would take a tank
Speaker 1: and hammer it flat. That's a lot of freaking effort.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if we're if I'm jumping ahead here,
Speaker 1: but I mean, okay, I can see somebody taking the
Speaker 1: time and effort to drag a boat in. I can
Speaker 1: see him dragging their oars in, but cutting in half
Speaker 1: or mashing flat a copper tank. It's just a weird thing.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. I was a theory, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and I don't know are there but we're not at
Speaker 1: that theory. Okay. I'm sorry. That's that's fine. I like
Speaker 1: jumping around and I have I think four theories that
Speaker 1: I'm going to go through one. The first one, the
Speaker 1: most romantic one, is that there was an actual shipwreck
Speaker 1: and there was an actual lifeboat that happened to find
Speaker 1: this island, and there were survivors that tried to live
Speaker 1: on the island and perished. Of course, their skeletons were
Speaker 1: never found. Of course, you know, who knows. Maybe the
Speaker 1: sea elephants dragged him into the water. Well, as you say,
Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no structures in terms of land mass,
Speaker 1: it's of any kind that you could use for protection
Speaker 1: from the weather. Yeah, so your run away they blow around.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, that's uh. That latitude is fifty four
Speaker 1: degrees south, which is what we call the furious fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's serious. It's dripping winds. Yeah, I've actually been at
Speaker 1: that latitude. That's Sway, Argentina, which I spent several days
Speaker 1: in is it's almost the exact same latitude. And actually
Speaker 1: in the summertime it's pretty warm and nice. It's not
Speaker 1: as inhospitable as you would think the latitude, but the
Speaker 1: wind is ferocious. Yeah. So, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of problems I have with this theory, right And granted,
Speaker 1: you know the tank pounded flat. It speaks of kind
Speaker 1: of a desperation that you want to attribute to people
Speaker 1: trying to save their lives. But there was there were
Speaker 1: no skeletons found, there were no signs of camp, there
Speaker 1: were no signs of attempts forages. There's no signs of like,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody trying to kill a sea elephant or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Well, there's there's nothing on there's nothing
Speaker 1: there to burn beside the boat, so there's no gonna
Speaker 1: be no signs of fire that if you kill one
Speaker 1: of those cea elephants, good luck, because they're they're massive.
Speaker 1: But okay, let's say you steal a pop well there,
Speaker 1: you know, their bones are about the size of yours.
Speaker 1: And if these are ripping winds with massive waves, at
Speaker 1: some point I can see that all being washed away.
Speaker 1: I don't see what are the signs of quote unquote
Speaker 1: camp there would be, Well, it can't be like camp fires,
Speaker 1: for example, there's nothing on this island to burn rock.
Speaker 1: So here's my number one complaint with this whole thing
Speaker 1: is that anybody, well, in my mind, anybody who's in
Speaker 1: a survival situation, particularly with a lifeboat like this, knows
Speaker 1: that the way that you survived that situation is you
Speaker 1: pull that lifeboat up on shore and you make it
Speaker 1: your shelter. There are numerous, very well to document cases
Speaker 1: of people surviving for months, very extended amounts of time
Speaker 1: that well, but that's right, okay. So and again that's
Speaker 1: where you know comes in, like it depends on where
Speaker 1: their waves hitting this shore or is this like a
Speaker 1: fairly calm lagoon kind of area when did believe me,
Speaker 1: the wind down there is strong enough to take a
Speaker 1: boat like that and knock it over and push it around. Right,
Speaker 1: But so you assume that if if they're using this
Speaker 1: as shelter, they found a way to secure it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably he's probably piling rocks around it and such. But
Speaker 1: eventually when they're gone, you know, the wind works at
Speaker 1: loose and flips, flips it around, pushes it around. And
Speaker 1: I'm going, but you would see those rocks, the piles
Speaker 1: of rocks, Yeah, probably, but they might have looked fairly random.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been right up against the boat by
Speaker 1: that point in time. Well, let me let me I mean,
Speaker 1: I know I'm jumping off the track here, but okay,
Speaker 1: So the island was quote unquote first officially discovered in
Speaker 1: the early se and there were whalers in that area
Speaker 1: or a couple hundred years. So wouldn't it be possible
Speaker 1: to to follow your I'm going to use the boat
Speaker 1: as my shelter theory to say that. But let's say
Speaker 1: before this this fallout area became this, this slide area happened,
Speaker 1: that maybe somebody had been using their boat as a
Speaker 1: shelter on the ice and then died there, and then
Speaker 1: when the ice crumbled because of this slush out, the
Speaker 1: boat was left behind and everything else was buried. Because
Speaker 1: the boat is big enough, it would bounce on top
Speaker 1: of the this landslide. It's light. Light things always kind
Speaker 1: of get pushed the top. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: a wooden boat is light compared to several tons rock.
Speaker 1: It's the lightest thing it's possible. So you're thinking how
Speaker 1: far back, I don't know, seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds. At
Speaker 1: some point some porch love gets stuck on the island,
Speaker 1: like this theory is running with. But let's say I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's pre this area becoming established and then when
Speaker 1: it all sloughs out, you know, breaks away from the
Speaker 1: ice or whatever. I don't know, I'm spitballing here. So
Speaker 1: it could be older than people are trying to establish
Speaker 1: it as having come about. Well, not necessarily that old though,
Speaker 1: because they also He also noted the presidence of a
Speaker 1: forty four gallon drum is not something an No, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. I'm I hadn't. I forgot about
Speaker 1: that bit, yah, I mean, I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to as everybody is grasping at strong
Speaker 1: as for the little bit that we've got. Right. So
Speaker 1: the other thing that I you know, I think about
Speaker 1: when I think about this, like drum that's metal that's
Speaker 1: been pounded out, I think of somebody in the you know,
Speaker 1: kind of mid sixties, early seventies, there's planes flying around,
Speaker 1: maybe trying to use it as an S O S
Speaker 1: signal kind or like our giant reflection. Yeah, wondered about that.
Speaker 1: I can see that, sure, but it's not my favorite theory.
Speaker 1: It's a theory, but it's not a favorite theory. Another
Speaker 1: theory is the lifeboat just kind of lost at sea,
Speaker 1: you know, torn off, a boat just randomly happened to
Speaker 1: find this lagoon, although of course that doesn't explain the
Speaker 1: oars and all that stuff on the shore, and also
Speaker 1: the highly improbability. And this is the other thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't really talk about with that first one. It's like,
Speaker 1: we lost this island for a real long time. You know,
Speaker 1: it's so remote that it seems really unlikely that somebody
Speaker 1: would just luckily happen upon it in a life threatening situation,
Speaker 1: or unlikely or an unmanned boat would just happen to
Speaker 1: wash into this lagoon right up somewhere. A crap in
Speaker 1: the ocean floats up onto places all the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens. It's it's rand happenstance, but it's still happen.
Speaker 1: It does. It's just it washes up on places that
Speaker 1: are like huge land masses by and large. I mean
Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while you'll see uh,
Speaker 1: you know sand bar that's got a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: washed up on it, But really that's because the tides
Speaker 1: wash it. You know, they pass right through there. This
Speaker 1: is not a place that is known or recognized as
Speaker 1: a high traffic area by any means, and the tides
Speaker 1: don't run through there. It's not like, yeah, it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Western Seaboard tides run through and deposit
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. Because this is it's a lone incident.
Speaker 1: So you know, the the odds of some like sad
Speaker 1: souls on a lifeboat and life situation washing or an
Speaker 1: unmanned lifeboat seemed fairly low. And again I come back
Speaker 1: to the whole I can't tell because I've looked at
Speaker 1: the Google Earth images of this place and I can't
Speaker 1: see a look boon of any kind I saw, and
Speaker 1: I could pretty small, and I couldn't tell if it
Speaker 1: was if it's land locked or attached to the sea
Speaker 1: in any way, if I was looking at the right lagoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the other problem is it's it. I don't remember when,
Speaker 1: but it was only fairly recently that they got the
Speaker 1: first full aerial photo of the entire island without clouds,
Speaker 1: because it is always socked in at some portion of
Speaker 1: it with clouds just because that's the way the weather
Speaker 1: is in that area. Yeah. So the next theory, the
Speaker 1: third theory is my favorite theory. It's that it's the
Speaker 1: remains of an fairly undocumented landing party that did an
Speaker 1: expedition to this island or land on this island. Um. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the theory goes that a landing party used
Speaker 1: their lifeboats to dock in, right, which you kind of
Speaker 1: wood if you had lifeboats like this, there's a high
Speaker 1: possibility that you could reattach them to your ship. Of
Speaker 1: course that's fine, you know, well, and a current kind
Speaker 1: of commercial ships don't have that capability. Once you abandoned ship,
Speaker 1: you've abandoned ship. But there are used to be, and
Speaker 1: I think as late as like the eighties and nineties
Speaker 1: and maybe still today, there are ships that you could,
Speaker 1: you know, like send a docking party out or landing
Speaker 1: party out in your smaller ships. Yeah. Yeah, that's the tenders.
Speaker 1: That's what whaling ships used to do all the time. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so they would be tenders. Think you know, on recent
Speaker 1: I guess actually no, this was back in the early sixties.
Speaker 1: As I say, they would be using zodiac. But I
Speaker 1: keep forgetting out it was back in early sixties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the theory goes that a landing party of whaling
Speaker 1: ships from wherever went by the island and thought, there's
Speaker 1: an island, let's go check it out. Dropped two ships,
Speaker 1: two boats, excuse me, landed. One of them got a
Speaker 1: little bit ruined in the landing party. They went around,
Speaker 1: you know, they explored, they realized there was nothing really there,
Speaker 1: and then decided, well, this one, this, this boat is damaged,
Speaker 1: so we'll just leave it here and we'll all pile
Speaker 1: back into this other boat, go back to the ship
Speaker 1: and be on our merry way. I like this theory
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. One, it explains how the
Speaker 1: boat got there. It explains why it's there. It explains
Speaker 1: why there's no sign of camp or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I also think, and I didn't see this anywhere, but
Speaker 1: in my mind, it explains why a tank may have
Speaker 1: been pounded out, because it seems as though that could
Speaker 1: have been a potential attempt to repair the ship in
Speaker 1: some way to say oh or the boat excuse me,
Speaker 1: to say oh, well, let's just see if we can
Speaker 1: Jerry ready real quick. Oh no, that's not working, okay,
Speaker 1: or it's not worth our time, or the weather's coming
Speaker 1: in or whatever. Okay, we'll just leave it. We'll all
Speaker 1: pile back into this one boat that's not damage make shifting,
Speaker 1: just kind of like throw it on the it we
Speaker 1: hit in the water, open, pop right out, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And then you just don't think that I don't think
Speaker 1: that would have solved their problems. I don't think it
Speaker 1: would have solved their problem either. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think that it's a possibility to just be you know,
Speaker 1: like on shore kind of like troubleshooting the problem. Then
Speaker 1: think that never, never mind, all right, we'll just pile
Speaker 1: back into this boat. We'll leave it here, go on
Speaker 1: their merry way. Nobody reports to Norway or Yeah or
Speaker 1: whoever wherever that you know, says we landed on this
Speaker 1: thing and we left a boat here. But before they leave,
Speaker 1: they they and this is the fundamental clues to who
Speaker 1: did it. They dragged the boat to that lagoon and
Speaker 1: they put it in. And again that's a practical joke,
Speaker 1: and this tells us who it was. It was the Russians.
Speaker 1: I mean the Russians, they had that kind of sense here.
Speaker 1: So and that's you know, again that comes back to
Speaker 1: my biggest problem with this whole story is that whole
Speaker 1: big question mark that's attached to I don't I don't
Speaker 1: totally and know the situation of this lagoon. I mean truly,
Speaker 1: all of the geographic maps that I've seen, all of
Speaker 1: the Google Earth images that I've seen, the Google Earth
Speaker 1: images that I've seen, I don't know what Google Earth
Speaker 1: images you were looking at, but I didn't see a
Speaker 1: single lagoon in any of them. I saw a bunch
Speaker 1: of kind of you know, alcoves in the shore of
Speaker 1: the island, but I didn't see any lakes or anything
Speaker 1: like that. And you know, and I may have just
Speaker 1: missed it or whatever. So I I don't have a
Speaker 1: good satisfying answer of is this a landlocked lake, lake, lagoon, whatever,
Speaker 1: or is this a just a like a inland. Now
Speaker 1: It's like there was somebody actually made a map of
Speaker 1: that little peninsula and it showed the location of the lagoon,
Speaker 1: and then that's what I saw. But the spot, a
Speaker 1: dark spot on the Google the Google Earth image in
Speaker 1: that location. So I guess then we go back to
Speaker 1: why is it there? And then you know there's the
Speaker 1: four theory, which is of course that perhaps it never
Speaker 1: existed photoshop it would have been a really good photoshop,
Speaker 1: because there is photographic evidence. It turns out that Alan
Speaker 1: Crawford is the only person to have ever mentioned this,
Speaker 1: So eveno there were a bunch of the there, that's
Speaker 1: the he's the only person. He wrote a book about it.
Speaker 1: And then you know the scientific survey that went back
Speaker 1: how two years later I didn't mention it. And again
Speaker 1: you know, they were studying the lagoon and they said
Speaker 1: it was shallow, but I don't know how extensive there's
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if they went out to
Speaker 1: the middle and like stepped in it and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's super shallow, or if they just said, uh, it
Speaker 1: looks pretty shallow. Probably fine in it, just like to
Speaker 1: know the deeper it is. And yeah, I have no idea. Again,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of big question marks attached to
Speaker 1: this one, which is of course what makes it an
Speaker 1: unsolved mystery, which is why we're talking about it. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I never was able to actually track in on
Speaker 1: which theory I thought was best, And it's because of
Speaker 1: the fact that there's one mention. Yeah, if there was
Speaker 1: documentation in the logs or from other people besides this
Speaker 1: one guy, and if that initial crew had spent more
Speaker 1: than forty five freaking minutes on the island, I could
Speaker 1: give it more credence. But I don't because it's just
Speaker 1: it's so wishy washy. Yeah. So that's, you know, an
Speaker 1: interesting one. And by the way, this was a listener suggestion.
Speaker 1: It was suggested by Tarken. I probably have just butchered
Speaker 1: your name. I greatly apologize. Yeah, would you give me
Speaker 1: a pronunciation guide because I can't figure out how to
Speaker 1: say your name? But it was a listener suggestion, and
Speaker 1: it was a great listener suggestion I had actually never
Speaker 1: heard of. Again, you know, I keep saying, although at
Speaker 1: this point I think maybe more times than not, I'm saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I say that I know a lot of unsolved mysteries,
Speaker 1: but I've never heard of this one. I think at
Speaker 1: this point I need to like shelve that response because
Speaker 1: at this point, and you know, actually that that I
Speaker 1: feel a bit foolish now is I just realized that
Speaker 1: the Sarah Joe was also a listener's suggestion, and for
Speaker 1: the life of me. I didn't write down who suggested
Speaker 1: that I don't Steve Steve Joe's turn at this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless you guys want to talk more about making of
Speaker 1: creepy scary boat mysteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can round us off on creepy scary boat mysteries.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk about another boat. This one
Speaker 1: did not end up on an island when I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: of course, the Envy Joita Envy standing for I Believe
Speaker 1: Merchant Vessel also known as Mary Celeste Pacific. This is
Speaker 1: why you pick this. You love the Mary Celeste's favorite.
Speaker 1: Any any any ship or boat found this like everybody's
Speaker 1: gone and it's just just cool. Before you go any further,
Speaker 1: this was suggested by Ben our listener. This was on
Speaker 1: my radar already because if you go out to the
Speaker 1: web and you find one of those those web pages
Speaker 1: that's the ten creepiest, weirdest ghost ships ever, this one's
Speaker 1: usually on it with joy to perfect. So this is
Speaker 1: this entire short episode is a listeners suggestion. I like
Speaker 1: this listener suggestion. Didn't even I didn't even realize that
Speaker 1: these were all listeners suggestions. Boats boats alright, so let's
Speaker 1: let's get let's get down to our mystery here. So
Speaker 1: this takes place. This starts in October nine. So about
Speaker 1: five am October three, the Joy Da Celeste left Samoa
Speaker 1: bound north bound for the Toklau Islands, which are We're
Speaker 1: about two seventy miles still are actually I don't think
Speaker 1: they've moved apart, but the hundred seventy miles away. There
Speaker 1: were twenty five people on board. That included sixteen crew
Speaker 1: and nine passengers, which I think is a little strange
Speaker 1: when you think about it. That's the first that's the
Speaker 1: first part of our mysteries. Why so many crew this
Speaker 1: boat was about seventy long. That's a mystery. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's all about the money. The owner was trying to
Speaker 1: get extra cash by paying his crew, but by having
Speaker 1: by having extra passengers. I'm not mystified by the passengers.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering why he needed sixteen crew. So it
Speaker 1: was captain. The captain's name was quote unquote Dusty Miller,
Speaker 1: and his first mate. Um, I won't bother with the
Speaker 1: name because people are gonna forget him anyway. So Dusty Miller,
Speaker 1: his first mate Mr Simpson, and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: other guys and nine passengers. One of the passengers was
Speaker 1: a doctor who was heading up there to perform an amputation.
Speaker 1: So he had this a little black bag with him. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so they again, they steamed out of the They steamed
Speaker 1: out of the harbor and Samoa and we're the people
Speaker 1: were needless say, never seen again. Are we going to
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that they left a day light? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did leave a little bit late, not quite a daylight.
Speaker 1: They were gonna leave late the night before, and then
Speaker 1: they wanted to laying because the clutch went bad on
Speaker 1: their sports side engine, so they were running on one engine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they wanted to try and find some parts. It couldn't
Speaker 1: find some parts, and so they decided to leave at
Speaker 1: the leave at the tide at five am on just
Speaker 1: one engine. Yeah. Always a bad idea. And by the way,
Speaker 1: and I think it's always a bad idea, is just
Speaker 1: getting on one of these ghost ships to begin with.
Speaker 1: Somebody says, hey, you want to go for a ride
Speaker 1: at my ghost ship? No, no, okay, So they left
Speaker 1: on one engine. Her cargo was consistent of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this boat was not just a tour boat or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It was it was it was a cargo boat.
Speaker 1: Her cargo was medical supplies, some timber eighty empty forty
Speaker 1: five gallon oil drums, and food. And I assumed they
Speaker 1: were taking food up there for resale to the Tacou
Speaker 1: Islands because apparently the Taco Islands are even smaller and
Speaker 1: more ice lated than Samoa. It was supposed to take
Speaker 1: between forty one and forty eight hours. In other words
Speaker 1: of we're all off. We've ever done my singing career
Speaker 1: is tank People don't download our episodes for the singing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so the Joda was scheduled to arrive on
Speaker 1: October five. Of course they didn't show up. So on
Speaker 1: October six, they sent a message reporting the ship was
Speaker 1: overdue the port they were supposed to land, part the
Speaker 1: port that they were supposed to land, and reported them overdue. Uh.
Speaker 1: Nobody reported hearing any sort of distress signal from the
Speaker 1: from the crew, and there's a reason for this. Turns
Speaker 1: out the radio tent tent had been disconnected. They didn't
Speaker 1: know about it. UH. Search and rescue mission was launched
Speaker 1: and from six to twelve October planes from the New
Speaker 1: Zealand Air Force cer Scenaria roughly one square miles and
Speaker 1: found no sign of the boat or the people. Five
Speaker 1: weeks later, the No've ever ten merchant ship Tuvalu sighted
Speaker 1: to join you to more than six hundred miles west
Speaker 1: of her scheduled route that would be somewhat north of Fiji,
Speaker 1: I think northeast of Fiji. Uh it was partially submerged
Speaker 1: listening to port and there was no trace of any
Speaker 1: of the passengers passengers of crew of course UH four
Speaker 1: times of cargo was missing. And they also noted the
Speaker 1: radio was tuned to Killer Hurts, which is the International
Speaker 1: Marine Radio Telephone Distress channel, So obviously somebody was trying
Speaker 1: to get help. Yeah. It turns out that this is
Speaker 1: discovered later on during the inquiries, That is that there
Speaker 1: was a break in the cable leading to the the
Speaker 1: external antenna and apparently the break had been painted over
Speaker 1: at some point and so it looked like it was intact.
Speaker 1: But actually though there wasn't there weren't really vppy things.
Speaker 1: This was not the most well maintained ship. I mean,
Speaker 1: um for you know, like obviously it's a little risky
Speaker 1: taken off to see with only one engine working. Although
Speaker 1: I when when you think about it, I guess it's
Speaker 1: d was had at the starboard engine quit. Then you
Speaker 1: could always dismantle the clutch and fix the port engine
Speaker 1: clutch and get it work. But there were some other
Speaker 1: problems too, like, for example, they had builch pumps like
Speaker 1: all boats do, and these ones didn't have screens on
Speaker 1: the ends of their intakes, and so the bulge pumps
Speaker 1: became clogged. But I'm getting ahead of myself. This was
Speaker 1: discovered later when they actually got the boat back to
Speaker 1: port and started examining it. They discovered the cooling intake,
Speaker 1: the cooling water intake for the sea for the starboard
Speaker 1: engine was a galvanized pipe. It rusted through and it
Speaker 1: started leaking. And so this was there was a fairly
Speaker 1: old ship at this point right now. Yeah, it was like,
Speaker 1: well it wasn't that inch I think it was built, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it had served in the war certain
Speaker 1: World War two, you know, it had seen some time
Speaker 1: number of yeah, and that you would expect that perhaps
Speaker 1: if it were going to continue to operate, that like
Speaker 1: these things would have been replaced, they would have it
Speaker 1: would have been rebuilt or whatever. But that for whatever
Speaker 1: reason that those things had been overlocked. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: turns out, you know, as we all know now, galban
Speaker 1: ice pipe used to be the all the rage, and
Speaker 1: now we know that it kind of rushed through dominized pipe.
Speaker 1: And what's sad is when this boat was originally built,
Speaker 1: it had brass pipe. But at some point in it's refitting.
Speaker 1: I think the U. S. Navy refitted it when they
Speaker 1: took it over for World War Two. They stripped the
Speaker 1: old piping and replace it with galvanize because Galvian ice
Speaker 1: was better. And so then maybe if they hadn't done that,
Speaker 1: this might not have happened right, quite possible, or if
Speaker 1: they'd put you know, coffer or brass, yeah, copper brass
Speaker 1: back in. There were shortage, there were shortages during the war.
Speaker 1: That that wasn't the only problem, not at all the
Speaker 1: only problem. When they got to join it back to
Speaker 1: back to harbor and looked her over carefully, discovered the
Speaker 1: whole was sound, there was there were no holes in that.
Speaker 1: But they imediately discovered that leaky pipe which had rested through.
Speaker 1: As we said, kelvanic corrosion isn't that um when you've
Speaker 1: got different types of metal within a loop, and that
Speaker 1: you know, one type of metal, like the offcasts from
Speaker 1: like a copper loop for instance. Right, if you've got
Speaker 1: copper and GalF and I steel, copper corrodes the galvanize steel.
Speaker 1: The little particles from each of them corrode the other
Speaker 1: and kind of becomes it's a weird chemical reaction. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my understanding. I could be wrong, yeah, yeah, But anyway,
Speaker 1: so back to our story, So the crew would not
Speaker 1: have known about this leak until the water rose about
Speaker 1: the floorboards of the engine room. So by that time
Speaker 1: it was really too late. The whole thing is underwater,
Speaker 1: and getting to it to plug it would have been
Speaker 1: pretty much impossible the leak, right, yeah, getting to the
Speaker 1: leak to plug it. H And as I as noted previously,
Speaker 1: the bills pumps were not did not have strainers on
Speaker 1: their intakes, so they got clogged and stopped working, so
Speaker 1: they kept taking on water. But my understanding of the
Speaker 1: construction of the whole of the ship, maybe I'm jumping ahead,
Speaker 1: that it was even more unsinkable than yeah it was
Speaker 1: the ship that yeah, it was. Well, it was two
Speaker 1: and six seater planking, it was, which is what it
Speaker 1: was built up. And then the hole. At one point
Speaker 1: they decided to refrigerate the hold, so they aligned it
Speaker 1: with cork to ancelate it. So yeah, and also on
Speaker 1: top of that, as I mentioned previously, they were carrying
Speaker 1: eighty empty barrels and full of air, full of air exactly,
Speaker 1: so the boat was unsinkable. Now this is this is
Speaker 1: saying that those those were sealed and so they would
Speaker 1: hold the air, not just open. Yeah. Yeah, And and
Speaker 1: the I would assume they would have been sealed because
Speaker 1: they're transporting for a purpose, I would useless for the
Speaker 1: purpose without there, without their their plugs, that would be
Speaker 1: And also just to keep the fumes down and the
Speaker 1: hold of the boat, you'd want to have them plug. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it only makes sense that these things were sealed up.
Speaker 1: But even without that, the boat was still more or
Speaker 1: less unsinkable, right, So, and it was taking on water,
Speaker 1: but it was unsinkable. Yeah, But nonetheless it's still a
Speaker 1: stressful situation. Well, anyway, let me talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the damage here though, that they they found there
Speaker 1: was damage to the superstructure. The boat had had a
Speaker 1: flying bridge which apparently had been torn away. What's a
Speaker 1: flying bridge? Sorry, it's kind of a it's a cabin
Speaker 1: that's opened at the back. Okay, yeah, that's on top
Speaker 1: of the regular on top of the regular bridge. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's like you see a lot of those in
Speaker 1: there for fishing boats and stuff. You get a lot
Speaker 1: of height and so you can you can spot the
Speaker 1: fish ees from further away like that. But apparently it's
Speaker 1: not it's not always enclosed. Yeah, sometimes they are. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they aren't, but it's it's a pot. Yeah. Often it's
Speaker 1: just like a platform with the windscreen and extra steering
Speaker 1: station and then and then that the awning. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it's open like an awning or something
Speaker 1: like that. So that had been torn away a lot.
Speaker 1: Most of the windows have been broken. Somebody had ranked
Speaker 1: the canvas awning on the top of the deck house
Speaker 1: behind the ridge, which makes sense. It's hot, and then
Speaker 1: you want to get some one more shade. I assume
Speaker 1: uh an auxiliary pump had been rigged up in the
Speaker 1: engine room. I'm sorry. The canvas awning Was it intact
Speaker 1: when they found the shipper. It appears it was intact.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like there wasn't shredded or anything. That now, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why, there's some images of it and you
Speaker 1: can see that it's still in place, and you would
Speaker 1: see the damage to the flying bridge and it's significant,
Speaker 1: but it's not as if it was torn away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's curious to me, Yeah, it's I just thought
Speaker 1: that it was worth noting that part of it had
Speaker 1: been torn away but other parts were undamaged, and that
Speaker 1: that seemed that appeared to be from waves. Yeah. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it's a little odd to me that the the temporary
Speaker 1: owning that they rigged that they had rigged up was
Speaker 1: more or less intact, you know, so much of the
Speaker 1: damage had been done. That's kind of interesting. Any Way,
Speaker 1: back to the story here. So they had rigged up
Speaker 1: an auxiliary pump in the engine room between the two engines. Uh,
Speaker 1: but it was not connected, which would indicate to me
Speaker 1: that the starboard engine probably quit right about when they
Speaker 1: were ready to connected, because obviously you're taking the engine
Speaker 1: to run the pump. Yeah, I'm assuming that this probably
Speaker 1: wasn't a power takeoff kind of situation from the engine.
Speaker 1: They probably was an electric pump, right, and so as
Speaker 1: long as they had electricity, which they got when the
Speaker 1: motor was running, then they could run that thing. But
Speaker 1: when the motor stopped running, well no juice and no
Speaker 1: auxiliary pump. So yeah, they were kind of hosed as
Speaker 1: I As I mentioned, the boat was left listing and
Speaker 1: it was semi submerged. It was you said, you've seen
Speaker 1: the pictures. It was very heavily The barnacle growth on
Speaker 1: the on the outside of the hull above the usual
Speaker 1: waterline show that it had been It had been in
Speaker 1: that position for a considerable amount of times weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least don't grow like crazy fast. Um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I have no idea how fast they grow. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean it took it took a number of weeks, was
Speaker 1: about five weeks, and so there was enough growth in
Speaker 1: that couple of weeks period for being recognizable. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that that gives you some frame reference of their speedy growth.
Speaker 1: What else they had a dinghy with like a tender
Speaker 1: And also what are they what they call carly life
Speaker 1: rafts also called carly floats, and these are like these
Speaker 1: are like non inflatable life rafts. The military used them
Speaker 1: like in World War Two. They're kind of hard plastic,
Speaker 1: they're not higher plastic. What they are is is there
Speaker 1: that there's a central core that's formed in a noble,
Speaker 1: and the central core is made up of either a
Speaker 1: copper tubing or sometimes steel tubing, and it's like twelve
Speaker 1: in diameter, and it's formed in a big oble, just
Speaker 1: like a regular inflatable life raft would look right, And
Speaker 1: then that's covered with cork on the outside for additional buoyancy.
Speaker 1: And then that's all covered with canvas which is in
Speaker 1: sealed with and stuff like that, and then it's got
Speaker 1: like a like a mesh floor. Yeah, there you go,
Speaker 1: Devin showing us a picture right now, and I'm the
Speaker 1: Google grea. Okay, So if anybody has ever watched I
Speaker 1: swear you've watched Jaws, right, and there's they kind of
Speaker 1: do a discussion of when all the guys were floating
Speaker 1: in those boats and the sharks were coming along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they they kind of did a bit of a
Speaker 1: filming of the scene. Am I confusing that with something
Speaker 1: else where they showed those boats and they showed how
Speaker 1: they had the that kind of net flooring to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of them had like lattice like wood slat floors
Speaker 1: and some of them had a mess sort of flooring. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what we're talking about. But there so
Speaker 1: they had three of those, all those were missing, which
Speaker 1: was suggest that they took to the life rafts at
Speaker 1: some point in a bandoned ship. But of course that
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense because as we
Speaker 1: all know, the boat was unsinkable. Those and and the
Speaker 1: carly life rafts. I'm sorry, excuse me if I'm wrong here,
Speaker 1: but those are the kind of life rafts that are
Speaker 1: like stored, they inflate. They had the canister, it's hatched
Speaker 1: to them and they inflate. Now these are these are
Speaker 1: not inflatable, They're always inflated. And the dinghy as well,
Speaker 1: always inflated. Danny was a wooden dinghy like like the
Speaker 1: one that so they weren't that that would have only
Speaker 1: been seaworthy if there was an emergency, like if you
Speaker 1: inflated them yourself. So they could have just been washed
Speaker 1: off if there had been. I'm assuming they were pretty
Speaker 1: pretty carefully lashed down, but they could have been. They
Speaker 1: could have been broken loose and washed off. I would
Speaker 1: say that somebody somebody took them, either an abandoned ship
Speaker 1: or somebody else came along maybe after the fact, found
Speaker 1: that the boat floating, and thought, well and life Fest
Speaker 1: grab a few things. They're not enough life Fest for everybody.
Speaker 1: They had them, but not enough. I may have been
Speaker 1: googling while we just covered oh you were uh yeah,
Speaker 1: see what other mysterious things. The starboard engine was covered
Speaker 1: by a mattress. Well. Yeah. One of the theories about
Speaker 1: that is that the as the water level was creeping up,
Speaker 1: the flywheel and the and the belt on the starboard
Speaker 1: engine was flinging up water unto the electrical panel, and
Speaker 1: they might have wanted to cover it, so they stopped
Speaker 1: wedding down the electric panel. So that's one possibility match
Speaker 1: like they didn't have you're not you're not, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're not. That's probably the closest thing that they had.
Speaker 1: But you know, a max especially like it's full of
Speaker 1: water already. Yeah, you're thinking of like a seely posture pedic.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking this is like a c matress,
Speaker 1: Like that's the one that's a couple of couple. I
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. H that's one of those
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I just is still weird to
Speaker 1: me that would be what they would use. But as
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, continue yeah, uh, as I said that the
Speaker 1: radio was was disabled, and so they it's estimated the
Speaker 1: range of the radio is about two miles, and so
Speaker 1: they were broadcasting in a stress signal. Undoubtedly that nobody
Speaker 1: that nobody heard. Yeah, quite sad. The electric clocks on
Speaker 1: board stopped at ten twenty five switches for the cabin
Speaker 1: lighting and the navigation lights were on, which indicates that
Speaker 1: power finally was lost at night. And there's I I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if I believe this what I when they've
Speaker 1: heard in the standard of couches that the everything was
Speaker 1: wired directly into the ship's generator, the lights and the
Speaker 1: clocks and everything. But I can't. I find that hard
Speaker 1: to believe you'd wired You'd wired them to the batteries.
Speaker 1: For example, do you want your clock shutting off every
Speaker 1: time you turn the engine off, Yeah, it should go
Speaker 1: to the battery and and same, I mean the same
Speaker 1: thing with the lights. You should have the capability of
Speaker 1: running your nav lights even if your engines out. So
Speaker 1: so a lot of people said, oh, this is in
Speaker 1: the case that whatever cataclysm happened to them happened at night.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, it just means the battery finally ran down.
Speaker 1: At night, So that's all it means, although the lights
Speaker 1: switched on does indicate something happening at night, right you
Speaker 1: you don't turn the lights on if it's broad daylight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have the lights on at night.
Speaker 1: So they obviously they finally lost all their juice sometime
Speaker 1: at night. Uh, let's see what else the log book,
Speaker 1: the sextant, their chronometer, and also Dusty Miller of the
Speaker 1: captain kept a few guns on board. All that stuff
Speaker 1: was gone. And they also found the doctor. Remember I
Speaker 1: said there was a doctor on board. Yeah, they found
Speaker 1: his bag on the deck and had a stethoscope and
Speaker 1: a scalpel and some bloodstained bandages that I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what happened to the rest of the stuff. Maybe it
Speaker 1: got washed over board. If you gotta go perform an amputation,
Speaker 1: do you think you need more than a scalpel unless
Speaker 1: you're unless you're unless you're to have that. Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think you had more in the doctor's bag and
Speaker 1: a stethoscope and a scalpel, though I thought part of
Speaker 1: the cargo were medical supplies, which just keeps smaller medical
Speaker 1: supplies in your bag. That he had some great stuff
Speaker 1: in the supplies. Yeah, yeah, it's entirely possible. But still,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't really like a bone throwe doesn't
Speaker 1: really actually fit? Yeah, probably not. Yeah, you still think
Speaker 1: you've seen those black doctor's bags. You've been a lot
Speaker 1: more in the stethoscope of a scalpel in there. So
Speaker 1: I necessarily don't really keep bloodstained bandaged. Not necessarily yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he was into recycling. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: And last of all, there was fuel in her tanks. Uh,
Speaker 1: And they calculated from the amount that had been used
Speaker 1: that she had gone about two or three miles before
Speaker 1: the engine shut down. That was, that was probably roughly
Speaker 1: fifty miles short of their destination of Tokalau. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. So the league had probably started about nine
Speaker 1: pm or so on the second night of the trip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess the thing like, okay, and I have
Speaker 1: been really pushing against doing this all night, this whole Like, well,
Speaker 1: I lived on a ship for six months, so I
Speaker 1: know everything resident collection, I am. But one of the things,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know in situations like this
Speaker 1: how long the sixteen crew members had been with this
Speaker 1: ship or how often they did this run or anything
Speaker 1: like that. You know, we did a run fairly frequently,
Speaker 1: and one of the things within the first week they
Speaker 1: drill into your brain is like, assuming we're going at
Speaker 1: our normal speed, this is about where we are at
Speaker 1: any given time, and in your cabin you have a
Speaker 1: little map of that. So if you wake up and
Speaker 1: the ship isn't moving and like for whatever reason, the
Speaker 1: it's a it's a huge ship, right, it's not like
Speaker 1: this is going to happen to me, like definitely not
Speaker 1: part of the captain's circle. You know, I don't work
Speaker 1: on the bridge anything like that. But if like the
Speaker 1: first mate woke up and was like, wow, that's super weird,
Speaker 1: we're not moving anymore and walked onto the bridge and
Speaker 1: mysteriously everybody was dead or something, you know, super suspension
Speaker 1: of disbelief story, that person could say, all right, it's
Speaker 1: about this time. We are probably about this distance away
Speaker 1: from the closest land mass. I can know that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, for me for them to say, well, they
Speaker 1: were about fifty miles away from their destined nation, assuming
Speaker 1: that they had done this run a couple of times,
Speaker 1: the thing that gets me is that, like they were
Speaker 1: super like fifty miles away from your destination is like
Speaker 1: close enough to abandon ship and paddle your way over there, certainly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's uh, you know, definitely is. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing that like again, you know, like I don't know
Speaker 1: how strong the currents were in that neighborhood, sure of course,
Speaker 1: but and and that's the other thing, is that just
Speaker 1: that it would be like hopefully the crew would know that, right, So,
Speaker 1: like in the situation that a captain had had something
Speaker 1: horrible happened to him, or first mate, or a bunch
Speaker 1: of the crew had had something horrible has happened to them,
Speaker 1: if even one of the crew members had survived whatever
Speaker 1: horrible thing happened, that they would know, Okay, we're only
Speaker 1: fifty fifty miles out, you've got a compass and some paddles,
Speaker 1: let's go. There's no reason, like, there's no reason they
Speaker 1: couldn't have taken some of that cloths for that makeshift
Speaker 1: on ing over the that they could have, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So you know that's my thing with the like they
Speaker 1: were really close. Yeah, they were close there close. So
Speaker 1: there was an inquiry, an official maritime inquiry to the
Speaker 1: whole thing, and their conclusion was that the fact that
Speaker 1: the passengers and crew were gone was quote inexplicable unquote.
Speaker 1: The life rafts and the dinghy were missing. But it
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense, and it was obvious to the
Speaker 1: people that did this inquiry that it made no sense
Speaker 1: to abandoned ship given that it was unsinkable. And I
Speaker 1: know for me, I mean, before I abandoned ship and
Speaker 1: got into a lifeboat, it would have to be a
Speaker 1: lot lower in the water than the joy it was.
Speaker 1: I go back to my well, we were just talking about, right,
Speaker 1: and then like it's drilled into your head that like
Speaker 1: the only time that you leave a ship is when
Speaker 1: you are one sure that that ship is thinking. It
Speaker 1: got to be like the water, which has then got
Speaker 1: to be based upon the knowledge of the people who
Speaker 1: were involved, which I think is where Jove's going to go.
Speaker 1: I hope, because I know that that's part of the theories.
Speaker 1: That's one of the theories. Yeah, one of the theories
Speaker 1: is that I'll just go through the series theories now,
Speaker 1: and this is one of the one popular theory is
Speaker 1: that the captain down theory, which means that he was
Speaker 1: disabled or dead. This theory goes that he was aware
Speaker 1: that it couldn't sink, so he would have told the
Speaker 1: passengers that there was no danger and everybody would stayed
Speaker 1: on board. So the theory is that he must have
Speaker 1: been incapacitated and people panicked and took to the life
Speaker 1: raster because he was incapacitated. Uh. And as they're very
Speaker 1: in this series there so there was a rumor that
Speaker 1: there was tension between the captain and his first mate,
Speaker 1: and so in this series they had a fight and
Speaker 1: one or both fell overboard and they rushed the cruise
Speaker 1: in the crew of the passengers took to the lifeboats.
Speaker 1: I think you're probably going here, but like, there's no
Speaker 1: way that those were the only two people on the
Speaker 1: ship who knew that about the well exactly of course,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, at least the first mate and
Speaker 1: probably at least several of the members of the crew
Speaker 1: were aware that of all the cork on board, the
Speaker 1: cedar planking, the eight barrels, I mean, And so even
Speaker 1: if the captain was down, uh, and you know, they
Speaker 1: still wouldn't know the boat's not going to sink. And secondly,
Speaker 1: as I said, no sensible person would abandon ship until
Speaker 1: it's absolutely for sure about to go under. That would
Speaker 1: be that would be my criteria. Another popular theory at
Speaker 1: the time was that the Japanese did it. There are
Speaker 1: two various on this. One. One is that hate this theory.
Speaker 1: This is so bad. Yeah, that's lame. It's it's pretty lame.
Speaker 1: They were passing into the joy that was paid, passed
Speaker 1: through a Japanese fishing fleet. They saw something they weren't
Speaker 1: supposed to see and apparrently so that everybody was murdered.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what they were not supposed to see.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were using the illegal lure. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this is like and they quoted this is from
Speaker 1: the Fiji Times and Herald. They said that this was
Speaker 1: from a then quote unquote impeccable source. But uh, they
Speaker 1: produced no further evidence, so that well there was there was,
Speaker 1: and there was further ado about this when something about
Speaker 1: some Japanese knives were found on the boat. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they found below decks in the boat, they found some knives.
Speaker 1: They were stamp made in Japan. Of course, if they
Speaker 1: said made in Japan and English, that means they were
Speaker 1: made for exports to English speaking countries. Japanese people are
Speaker 1: going to be carrying them. Another area is that they
Speaker 1: were like there was Japanese soldiers who were on some
Speaker 1: island or another who wasn't weren't aware that the war
Speaker 1: it ended, so they were so they went out in
Speaker 1: a boat and just bushwacked people and randomly killed them.
Speaker 1: And yep, yeah, continuing ef Yeah, but of course the
Speaker 1: problem with this is there it seems like there would
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people in the area who
Speaker 1: disappearing that didn't happen. Another there, let's move right along, Ivan,
Speaker 1: good old Ivan. The Ruskies. Yeah, that's right. They were
Speaker 1: abducted by the crew of the Soviet sub That's outlandish.
Speaker 1: Do you want to go further into that theory, because
Speaker 1: we've we've debated being abducted by a crew of a
Speaker 1: submarine in multiple stories. We have done that, and I
Speaker 1: I we've we've never found any of our favorite theories.
Speaker 1: Even that's fun, it's one of our funnest But I
Speaker 1: think we might have literally chewed the fat off the
Speaker 1: bone on that. Well. Yeah, but then why submarine cruise
Speaker 1: with Why to go around abducting crowds of people is
Speaker 1: beyond me because crowded boat, Yeah exactly, I don't think So. Okay,
Speaker 1: next theory, pirates they that took all the valuables, or
Speaker 1: possibly they came on board and put everybody in the
Speaker 1: life rafts and says sayonara, and then they took off
Speaker 1: with the boat, which they didn't know what the time was,
Speaker 1: taking on water and then broke away. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you know. And the reason that people are
Speaker 1: taking this is because four tons of cargo was missing.
Speaker 1: And they'll say what four tons? If it was if
Speaker 1: it was a medical supplies, a timber or what was,
Speaker 1: or if it was the containers that were empty. I
Speaker 1: don't know why anybody take those, but but I can
Speaker 1: see if the boat is listing and the hatch pops open,
Speaker 1: they didn't pop out and float away. Yeah, just see
Speaker 1: floating away. It depends on else how well secured they were.
Speaker 1: And then you know, SpongeBob SquarePants is going I got
Speaker 1: a container. Yeah, but those things didn't. I mean, any
Speaker 1: of those things aren't gonna wait four tons, so they're
Speaker 1: not gonna wait much of anything. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: these things in general may have come out. So they
Speaker 1: might have actually, but you know, it just it just
Speaker 1: depends not small there because the boat was listening over
Speaker 1: far enough that water was actually coming into the top
Speaker 1: hatch that you used to access the whole of the boat,
Speaker 1: which as far as I know, it is the only
Speaker 1: way to access the whole. That's through that's through the decks. See.
Speaker 1: I didn't look any any kind of drawings of the
Speaker 1: actual boat. I didn't see those. Yeah, and so the
Speaker 1: so and large items weren't about to float out through
Speaker 1: those hatches, but something small could have. I mean, barrels
Speaker 1: could have, but not that many. Probably again, because so
Speaker 1: many things were missing, like the guns and you know,
Speaker 1: the navigational equipment and four tons of cargo, and people
Speaker 1: immediately went to pirates. And and actually this is not
Speaker 1: as this doesn't doesn't suck as bad a lot as
Speaker 1: a lot of the other theories. It's possible piracy does exist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so the reason I think that they didn't just like,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to just kill everybody on the boat.
Speaker 1: If all you want to do is pill take their stuff.
Speaker 1: Number one. If you wanted to do the more rational
Speaker 1: things a pirate and take the entire boat, which is
Speaker 1: what I would do, then you put them all in
Speaker 1: the life roust. Yeah, you put them all in the
Speaker 1: life raft and and then you you take off with
Speaker 1: the boat. Later on we discovered the boat is taking
Speaker 1: on water. You, of course, being a pirate, you don't
Speaker 1: know that this boat can't sink. So you radio your
Speaker 1: buddies in the other boat that brought you there originally,
Speaker 1: you meet, you get off, you take what you can,
Speaker 1: and if you take off believing the boat is going
Speaker 1: to sink, which it didn't do, the steak and would.
Speaker 1: A stick in the heart of this series is that
Speaker 1: the radio was tuned to the stress channel, So if
Speaker 1: they were using it to communicate with their buddies in
Speaker 1: the other boat, it would have been tuned to a
Speaker 1: different channel. Yeah, so they couldn't have taken the radios.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, I don't know if hand radios are that
Speaker 1: common back in those days. Yeah, yeah, so, and so
Speaker 1: that's why I think, I mean, I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: They could have had other methods of signaling their buddies too.
Speaker 1: But what else we have here in terms of these, uh,
Speaker 1: these fun theories. Another fun theory Insurance FRAU Captain Dusty
Speaker 1: Miller had serious debts because he had several failed fishing
Speaker 1: expeditions and that left him in debt. But he didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't know on the boat, did he didn't know
Speaker 1: the boat he was leasing the boat. Yeah, so that's dumb,
Speaker 1: but that explains why he was taking on passengers, because
Speaker 1: he was trying to get as much money as he
Speaker 1: could out of every run. Yeah, and I believe that
Speaker 1: the inquiry that you talked about had found that he
Speaker 1: had lost or let laps license to have passengers on
Speaker 1: the boat. Yeah. They actually found quite a bit of
Speaker 1: fault with him for the condition of his lot of
Speaker 1: version of like a firefly kind of yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, so he didn't on the boat. He
Speaker 1: knew the boat couldn't sink, for God's sakes, So if
Speaker 1: he'd wanted to like turn into claim for insurance, he
Speaker 1: would have lit it on fire. He wouldn't have done
Speaker 1: it with twenty four other people on the boat, did, Okay.
Speaker 1: I swear that I've seen somewhere talk of the fact
Speaker 1: that the sea cocks were open, were open, and that's
Speaker 1: say that I've seen theories that the that they were
Speaker 1: going to scuttle it in the sea cocks were open
Speaker 1: for insurance reasons. But I don't remember in there officially
Speaker 1: inquiry anything about that. So the sea cocks were never open.
Speaker 1: They discovered that which would be stupid because the thing
Speaker 1: still wouldn't sink well exactly, so it makes it, like
Speaker 1: I said, he would have torched it trying to sink it.
Speaker 1: That would have been the obvious thing to do, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: so don't want that one onto the next one. Mutiname.
Speaker 1: So in this theory, the boat encountered heavy weather, the
Speaker 1: crew wanted to turn around. The captain refused because he
Speaker 1: you know, again, he was in desperate for cash. He
Speaker 1: didn't want to lose any money, so he wanted to
Speaker 1: keep on going. And also if they were actually truly
Speaker 1: within fifty fifty miles of their destination, then there's no
Speaker 1: there's no same reason to turn around rather than just
Speaker 1: continuing to go. Yeah, that doesn't make sense, but that's
Speaker 1: one that So the crew, when when he wouldn't turn around,
Speaker 1: the mutiny, and there was there was blows were traded,
Speaker 1: the captain was either killed or knocked unconscious right about
Speaker 1: the end of starboard, engine stopped running, and everybody took
Speaker 1: off for the life boat because remembered, only the captain
Speaker 1: knew that the boat was unsinkable, right, yeah, and taking
Speaker 1: the captain and of course the navigational equipment which you need.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be floating a life boat. So the abandoned
Speaker 1: ship in heavy seas I I eat storms to take
Speaker 1: to a bunch of flimsy life rafts, which doesn't make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Yeah, so, and it doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense that the crew would be wanting to turn around
Speaker 1: when they were that close to their destination. Alright, So
Speaker 1: we put that one and put that theory to rest.
Speaker 1: About the only one that's held any water so far
Speaker 1: has been the pirate one, and the pirate I'm afraid,
Speaker 1: I really I hate the pirate theory, but it really
Speaker 1: is the only one that makes sense that we can
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more. Another theory is this is mine.
Speaker 1: That they didn't abandoned ship, at least not right away.
Speaker 1: So because they had food on board, they're part of
Speaker 1: their cargo was food for for the the boat had behind.
Speaker 1: Besides the three thousand gallon diesel fuel tank or tanks,
Speaker 1: had also had twenty five gallons gallons of water. Of course,
Speaker 1: we don't know that that tank was completely full. It
Speaker 1: might have been full and left, but it should have
Speaker 1: had a substantial amount of water. Yeah, it should have
Speaker 1: had a fair amount of that. So they the official inquiry,
Speaker 1: and I I'm so sorry I was not able to
Speaker 1: get a copy of this because it would have been
Speaker 1: nice to get that information. But they mentioned the amount
Speaker 1: of fuel left in the in the tanks, but they
Speaker 1: don't say how much water was left in the water
Speaker 1: tank water, or nor do they say how much black
Speaker 1: water well exactly exactly, So if the if the water
Speaker 1: tank was empty, that would be a big clue. What
Speaker 1: that would mean is that they stayed with the boat
Speaker 1: until they ran out of water. And if the black
Speaker 1: water tank was all full of well, you know what,
Speaker 1: then it was all all full then uh. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what boats in those days did. I assume
Speaker 1: they had black water tanks and then didn't just flush
Speaker 1: it directly. And the other problem is is that if
Speaker 1: if the batteries dead, I've been on how did you
Speaker 1: say a house boat and I pushed the knob and
Speaker 1: I hear the electric pump turn on and it spits
Speaker 1: out water. But if that's not going, how do I
Speaker 1: get the water out of the big holding tank? Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's a question, you know. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: assume that they had some sort of pump like manual
Speaker 1: pump back up for that, but of course you're know,
Speaker 1: given the state of the boat, maybe not, maybe that
Speaker 1: wasn't working. And I guess, since this is your theory,
Speaker 1: do you have an explanation for the list? The list? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Actually I think that it is possible, quite possible that
Speaker 1: the crew actually induced the list on their own because
Speaker 1: the starboard engine, remember, is the one they needed to
Speaker 1: get running again, and so it's a portside list. So
Speaker 1: how would you induce the list? Well, you remove say
Speaker 1: four times of cargo from the starboard side of the
Speaker 1: ship and throw it overboard, and you're both starting to
Speaker 1: get something out of trying to pull the starboard engine
Speaker 1: out of the water or whatever. Yeah, apparently makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. Actually, it's a lot of sense. It's yeah, logical. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, apparently they didn't succeed, because they had, they
Speaker 1: would have immediately hooked up that auxiliary pump that they
Speaker 1: had rigged up ready to go. It still doesn't explain
Speaker 1: why they left, because even if you run out of
Speaker 1: food and run out of water, you're still better off
Speaker 1: on the big boat than being on a life raft.
Speaker 1: Your profile is higher, you're more likely to be spotted,
Speaker 1: You're you've got shelter from the elements, which you don't
Speaker 1: really have on a raft. So the only reason I
Speaker 1: can think of that they would they would leave if
Speaker 1: they if they spotted an island and they weren't too
Speaker 1: far away from they might have decided to make a
Speaker 1: break forth they're all out of food and water, or
Speaker 1: if they're really low on that stuff. If you go
Speaker 1: to an island, at least there's going to be like
Speaker 1: birds and fish that you can kill and eat and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, they didn't abandon the boat
Speaker 1: because they thought the boat was going to sink. They
Speaker 1: might have abandoned the boat because they were they were
Speaker 1: starving and out of water, and if figured you know,
Speaker 1: and it was what you correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: It was five weeks after they went missing, was found
Speaker 1: twenty five people. How much how much does the average
Speaker 1: person drink? About a gallon a day? A gallon a day.
Speaker 1: You don't need a gallon a day to survive though, okay,
Speaker 1: but about a gallon a day the average person drinks.
Speaker 1: So that's twenty five a day by five weeks comes
Speaker 1: out how many days five let's say so le's let's
Speaker 1: just same. They're drinking a full gallon, So that's that's
Speaker 1: twenty five by five weeks, which is thirty five that
Speaker 1: nobody knows what that number is. Well, let's say if
Speaker 1: it was gallon tank right, undred right, assuming it was full,
Speaker 1: that means that they had ten days of drinking water,
Speaker 1: assuming they drink gallon a day, Yeah, would have a
Speaker 1: hundred days. Hundred gallons by twenty five people is a
Speaker 1: hundred gallons hundred gallons per persons per person, which means
Speaker 1: they could have theoretically gone a hundred days if the
Speaker 1: tank was full and the drinking a gallon and yeah,
Speaker 1: and and of course you know the tank was probably
Speaker 1: not full, probably wasn't full. At half full, it's fifty days.
Speaker 1: At a quarter full, it's twenty five days. So we're
Speaker 1: now running into that gray area of let's say it
Speaker 1: was half or a quarter full when they left board.
Speaker 1: That would explain why they were out of water and
Speaker 1: would have wanted to leave because they had nothing left.
Speaker 1: But then again, if you're on a boat boats, and
Speaker 1: we talked about this before, there's tons of plastics, so
Speaker 1: you would think that you could use evaporation to make drinkable,
Speaker 1: potable water, But who knows what the circumstance was we're
Speaker 1: also assuming that, you know, the nine passengers didn't get
Speaker 1: sea sick, and there wasn't any kind of going not anything,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's a fairly large assumption as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it would have been other uses for the water.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're gonna need to use a little bit of
Speaker 1: water to wash up occasionally and things like that if
Speaker 1: you do get sea sickondy bar, if you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to wash your face, probably rench your mouth out, so
Speaker 1: you need to be hydrated more. Yeah. I have no
Speaker 1: idea if after the search, after the discovery of this,
Speaker 1: if they went along and check that checked on Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: Then in the South Pacific there are roughly twenty islands
Speaker 1: in there, you know, a lot of them just specs
Speaker 1: like the islands that we've been talking about there. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody thought to go back and
Speaker 1: check any small islands that were sortable on the course
Speaker 1: of bones. Yeah, exactly, exactly, but I think they probably
Speaker 1: made a break for an island. Yeah. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with all of these
Speaker 1: stories is that they they's just very little information apart
Speaker 1: from the start and to finish to really know what's
Speaker 1: going on well. As always, ladies and gentlemen, all of
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Speaker 1: or the Sarah Joe or the random boat that we
Speaker 1: don't know the name of Buve Island. Yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: a resident Bouve Island, which is inhospitable to anything but
Speaker 1: see elephants, please let us know. Well that having been said,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Uh, this short has gone on a
Speaker 1: little longer than a short, so we're gonna go ahead,
Speaker 1: and yet we've got long shorts, so we're gonna go ahead,
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