WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Lost Boats Found 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.000 Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know what stories 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.599 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey there, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.800 this is Steve joined by and Joe and you slap 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.600 us in this steamy, hot little room, and what do 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.199 you get? You got thinking sideways podcast because we're a 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.160 little room and we're melting right now. It's really hot. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.760 It is hot, and we go to great lengths to 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.440 make sure that the sound quality of our podcast is high, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:46.559 which means no fans. Yeah, I literally cannot read the 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.400 text in front of me on the paper because I'm 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.360 kind of sweating on it. It's kind of a gross thing. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.560 Your eyes are sweating? Is that like the man version 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:04.280 of crying? Uh? Well, everybody, Uh, I know, we've done 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.320 this before, and we decided, based on some some listeners suggestions, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.720 that we were going to do another show of shorts 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.440 because we've got a number of stories that don't quite 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.800 flush out to a full one, so we decided we 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.280 just bring them all together and make one big show 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.920 up also because we're all wearing shorts. All right. Well, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.840 let's let's get into the first of our stories today, 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.119 which I guess somehow I got voted to go first, 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.039 So we're gonna talk about We're going to talk about 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.160 the crew of the Sarah Joe. Okay. The Sarah Joe 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.840 is a is a story that starts in Hannah, Hawaii, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.759 which is I believe is on the is on It's 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.800 in Maui County. But I couldn't figure out if that 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.640 was actually on the island of Maui or not. Did 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.080 you not? Just like Google Map? I did Google Map, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.840 but Google Map wouldn't say this island's name is Maui. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.520 It was really being a jerky. Yeah, I don't know 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.480 how to use maps. I know it's on the windward 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.880 side of Mali, the westward side. Yeah, he's using body 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:13.839 talk exactly. So the story starts on February eleven. We've 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.440 got five local men. Their their construction workers. They've been 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.799 working on a friend's house who is one of the five, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.880 and they decide, you know, we just need to take 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.600 a break and we're gonna take a fishing trip for 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.760 the day. These five men, their names are Peter Hanschett, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.680 Benjamin Colama and I'm gonna do my best with this. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:39.960 Ralph mala Kaya Kiny Scott. I think it's Malaya Kiny. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.519 It might be my Malaya keiny, I'm not sure. And 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:49.080 the lastly, the last gentlemen on here would be Patrick Woesner. Uh. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.960 They all set sail for this trip. They borrowed a 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.119 seventeen foot Boston whaler which had the name of Sarah Joe, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:58.919 thus the name of the story. The crew of the 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.400 Sarah Joe and they said, hey, it's first thing in 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.440 the morning, we're to take off. And they leave, first 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.640 thing in the morning. Weather's nice, weather's fine, they leave. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.960 Nobody really worries about it, except that afternoon the season, 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.400 the weather gets a little nasty, the seas start to 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:21.120 get rough, and by that evening it's a terrible storm 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.320 has hit the island, to the point that a brother 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.000 of one of the men who was on the boat 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.680 said that it was the roughest that he had ever 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.080 seen the sea in that area get. So it turns 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.760 out going fishing wasn't such a hot idea. No, it 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.360 wasn't the best idea. Why didn't they just check like 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:47.240 yahoo other or something? Exactly, yeah, exactly, they're according to 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.960 this guy, that the swells were forty feet and breaking 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.200 at the crest, and the winds were more than fort 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.640 that's huge season. It's actually when you're in seventeen ft boat, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.760 I kind of wonder why they didn't just head right 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.760 in when things started to kind of turn and the 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.720 wind picked up, Well, go ahead. I was just gonna say, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.440 I think we've talked about this fairly recently, that it 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.800 turns out that one of the safer places to be 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.640 in bad weather is at sea. Obviously like not in 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.239 a tiny boat, though not in a tiny boat. But 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.880 if your choice is you know, you've kind of missed 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.920 your window, right, maybe you're like too far out. If 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.159 your choices stay at sea and try and write it out, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.719 or try and make a super dangerous docking to get 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.839 off this boat, you're probably just going to decide, well, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.400 we'll just see if we can't ride out these waves, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.760 instead of having no idea that this is not the 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.880 worst of it, but it's going to get worse. Yeah, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:50.560 exactly exactly the point everybody starts getting concerned. So we've 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.599 got Peter Hanschett. He's one of the guys that was 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.000 on the boat. His father John got concerned and decided, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.679 even though this weather was terrible, to go out and 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.920 look for him, and he was joined by a gentleman 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.040 by a marine biologist in the area named John not 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.880 In I believe it's how you pronounced his name. And 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.720 Captain Jim Cushman, who was with the Coast Guard, the U. S. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.680 Coast Guard, and these two actually came in. They came 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.839 in by I believe it was the third day that 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.720 the boat had been missing, So it wasn't that they 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.000 all went out right away, but over time these people 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.800 joined the search. No trace was ever found of the 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.719 Sarah Joe in those searches. By the way they did, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.840 they did also search by plane, etcetera. They did, they 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.680 sent out planes. I think they looked for about a 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.000 week or two. The accounts very in the reporting that 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.040 I found, but they were I mean, it's huge area, 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.159 and the season are pretty quick moving in that area, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.280 so it except where you're gonna look, kind of expands 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.279 really fast. Well. And also, I mean, you know, it's 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.840 like you're lost at sea, right, It's not like if 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.240 you get lost in the wilderness, people can you know, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.240 like find traces of you because you've like bumped into 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:08.560 a tree or like you're leaving tracks behind you. Yeah, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.920 piles of poop are like fire and camp debris like 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.080 this is the c It moves so quickly. Like you know, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.600 Steve was just saying, you know, it's not like you're 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:22.200 gonna just miraculously find like some pieces of the boat 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.839 just just floating wherever. I mean, you know, it's so yeah. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.440 I mean, you know again the CEA, it's harder trace. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:34.000 I always think, oh, yeah, because there's no fire or whatever. Exactly, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.760 there's there's no obvious signs left on the surface. I 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.680 think it's where we're headed with. Yeah, I mean they 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.480 can sink without a trace. Yeah, and so nobody found 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:48.120 any sign of them. Now we step forward ten years later, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:54.359 it's and if you remember John Notton, he was one 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:59.320 of the guys the marine biologists. He was on a 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.720 while life expedition on a toll which is called and 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.240 you're gonna have to help me out here if I 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:14.240 butcher this Tony or Tonguyk something like that. Well, this 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.040 a toll, which is part of the Marshall Islands, is 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:23.679 two hundred miles two thousand miles west of Hawaii, which, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.720 to kind of give people a scale for in the 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.280 global scheme of things, if you look at Hawaii and 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:35.280 then you go west, it's halfway between Hawaii and New 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:41.960 Guinea and the Philippines, which is it's yeah, and it's 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.400 an itty bitty a toll. It's really small, and I'll 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:53.360 get into some of the basic basically that's yeah. Yeah, um, well, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.160 not discovered a boat on the island. It was a 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:58.920 small boat, and he was kind of confused, and he 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.440 checked it out and then he saw the registration number 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.360 and he recognized that it was registered in Hawaii. And 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.800 several from several feet from the boat he found and 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.880 again this is where the accounts very a little bit. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.600 He found either a a grave marked with heaped stones 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:20.600 with a cross made out of driftwood, or a shallow grave. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.960 In either case he found in that either sticking out 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:31.360 it's sticking out somewhere from it a jaw bone, human job. Yes, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.760 And the coastguard got involved because there was a body 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:41.719 part of a body anyway, and they be traced to Hawaii. Right, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.240 not that the coastguard, just like there's body parts on 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.200 an island, some island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Yeah, 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.240 I think the boat had a registration number or something, 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.360 and he right, and you know, it's it's kind of 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.360 like every state has a certain way of making your 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.200 license plate numbers. Well, he recognized the registration number being 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.120 a Hawaii number. I'm guessing it means it starts with HI. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.400 But so I know he didn't dig up the grave, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.079 but he did he grabbed the job own and take 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.080 it back with him. I couldn't find if he picked 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.120 it up and brought it back with him or if 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:18.760 somebody else came out and collected it and figured it out. Yeah. Well, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.880 you know, obviously the coast Guard, like we said, got 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:25.000 involved and they figured out that through the dental records 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.280 that the job bone belonged to Scott Mormon, which was 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.480 one of the five of the men that were missing 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.839 on the Sarah Joe, and the registration was that it 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.199 was the Sarah Joe. So here's the Here's I mean, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.880 this is one of many weird bits. So the job 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.320 bone and the boat being they're not weird enough. But 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.520 here's another weird bit. It's entirely possible, based on the 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.280 currents of the ocean, that over the course of three months, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.760 a boat could drift from Hawaii to the Marshall Islands. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.560 The problem is, however, is that there was a government 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:09.959 survey all the islands previously to this discovery, and that 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.760 that was done in about and when of what the 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.040 Marshall Islands. Yeah, and the Marshall Islands, Oh gosh, who 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:24.200 owned Who is it that is registered under? I want 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.440 to say it's the French, but that is absolutely wrong. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.559 But they went there and they did a survey because 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.800 they check out wildlife and all that kind of stuff, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.959 which would be four years after the Sarah Joe disappeared. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.160 There's no boat there. They didn't record that there was 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.000 a boat there. So after that time frame the boat 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:51.400 mysteriously came aboard and mysteriously this body was buried on 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.440 the on the atoll. Just just doesn't make any sense 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.719 because it's a weird amount of time. It's conceivable though, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.600 because I mean, it may be that the body and 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.439 the boat were sort of washed shore, but they got 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.959 covered by sands and then later on weather and waves 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.280 and wind uncovered them again. That's ye, that some of 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.720 somebody came along and buried the body and put across 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.240 up there. Yeah, so it's possible. It's also possible that 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.400 these guys who were actually being paid to survey the 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.360 islands were actually sort of took them, did some shortcuts 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.679 it didn't go to every single one of the one 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.679 of them that they were supposed to be. And that's 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.040 a good point because this particular toll is the north 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.840 most toll of the Marshall Islands, so it's the farthest 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.800 north of the group. So it may have been that 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.559 during the survey they were running a little behind some stuff. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.720 Nobody's going to know that we didn't go there. Well 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.360 let's just call it good. Yeah. I don't know that 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.640 that's really the case, but this has led a lot 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.840 of people to try and figure out, well, what happened 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.400 to the crew and how did the boat get here? 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.680 And the theories that I've found there's there's not a lot, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:11.440 but there's a couple. And the first one is, well, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.079 it's kind of Scooby doo hinky. That's that's my best 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.800 way to describe this. And I found this on a 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.920 blog and this is the only place that ever said 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.600 I found this, But we'll just go ahead and run 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:29.560 with it. Is The theory is that a the crew 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:35.400 survived the storm, but for whatever reason, their boat was incapacitated, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:40.560 so they're just floating at sea and they're found by 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.680 another vessel. That happens to be pirates are, so we're 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:50.880 going with pirates here. A confrontation ensues and at some 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.720 point Mormon is killed and his body is left on 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.960 the boat, and then the other crew members are taken 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.600 off of the boat and they just they just leave 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.080 the boat. I'm guessing the idea was to scuttle it 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:09.199 and let it sink, to hide the evidence and let 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.400 the body is sink well. And the other thing is, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:16.239 if I'm a pirate, why would I scuttle a perfectly 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.840 good boat that I could scrape all of the registration 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.800 off and then resell. Because the value is not in 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.480 the people, it's in the boats. Yeah, they had nothing 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.079 useful ondem except for some beers they could actually keep 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.920 it for a for a tender for their boat. Did 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.640 that to re name it? Because can you see Sarah 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.640 Joe pirates? You know seriously? Yeah, yeah, it didn't seem 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:43.320 like a very pirate theme name. Well, that's that's the 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.280 first theory that we've got. The second theory is that 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:53.400 everybody went somewhere. So run with me here with this, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.280 because this is this is part one. This theory is 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.720 kind of kind of splits off. So this is part 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.040 one of the every body else went somewhere. Some Mormon 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.760 stayed with the boat, and everybody else left mysteriously. There's 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.080 a lot of theories trying to explain why the boat 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.040 and Mormon, like I said, ended up on the island. Okay, Well, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.840 if we think about the storm that was reported, this massive, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.840 massive storm in this itsy bitsy boat for all intensive purposes, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.800 a tiny boat in a giant storm, it's quite possible 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.240 that through the swells, people were getting washed off the boat. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:40.479 So it could be that Mormon Odysseus style ties himself 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:45.920 to the boat. Well, he ties himself to the boat 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.040 thinking everybody else has been washed overboard, and I don't 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.520 want to go overboard because these kind of this Boston whaler, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.040 it doesn't have what's the term joe when you've got 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.840 an enclosed cabin. It's got a close cabin, that's the 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.240 exact word. It's an open boat. So he may have 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.880 tied himself on thinking, well, if a big wave hits, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.160 at least it won't knock me overboard. These boats. I 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.160 don't know if we've talked about this yet, but the 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:23.160 Boston whalers, they're reported to be virtually unsinkable. The gimmick 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.440 has always been for the company that makes the Boston Whalers, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.920 they will take a saw to their boat. I think 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.640 was in the sixties. The guy who started the company 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:38.200 took a big saw, cut the boat in half and 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:43.680 then motored the back half and towed the front half 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.000 behind him. Because they're built with a styro from hall 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.400 with fiberglass around him, so they will float regardless. So 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.200 he might have known this and said, well, the boat's 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.320 not gonna go down. I'm just gonna hang on for 0:15:54.360 --> 0:16:00.360 dear life. Yeah, yeah, okay, so let's just that he 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.400 did that. I guess. Yeah, they'll float regardless. Anything will 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.040 float regardless, unless like literally it's just filled with water, 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.120 you know, which a forty foot swell would do. You 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.040 would swamp a boat because you know this is having 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.640 looked at pictures now, it is literally just like the 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.720 hull of a boat. It's not there's just no it's 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.520 just it's a windshield or a windscreen and a steering 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.200 wheel and open boat. Yeah, that's all these seventeen footers are. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.000 So I can imagine if they were in forty ft 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.320 swells that it could have taken on a whole buttload 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.280 of water. And just and washed a couple of guys over, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.160 and in desperation, what do I do. I'm going to 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.520 strap myself in because it's better to go down with 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.040 the ship. Well, you know, the ship's probably not going 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:44.800 to go down if you know about the boats. They 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.160 might go to the water level, but it won't go 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:53.880 all the way under right, it's so buoyant. Okay, So 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:58.200 we've got that. The theory then runs that he dies, 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.680 whether that is Mormon dies from an injury that he 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.520 sustained when the boat's being flipped around, or he's tossed 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.439 around or what it might be, or he survives the 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.840 storm but then dies of dehydration or starvation. He's he's 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.400 tied to the boat. He's now he's now permanently with 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.159 a boat that he can't get off of, which was 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.480 a great idea when there was a storm, yep, but 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.320 maybe not so great after the fact. Regardless, he stays 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.280 with the ship. The body stays with the ship, and 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:34.639 it floats and runs aground on this atoll. At that point, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:41.040 somebody else before not in finds the boat and they 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:46.600 find the body, and out of respect, they bury the body. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.320 And there's actually a little bit of evidence that adds 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:56.080 some credibility to that theory. All the reports say that 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.960 when they found the body or found the jaw bone 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:03.080 and they started digging the grave, they also found three 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.720 quarter inch by three quarter inch strips of paper with 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.320 foil on top of paper, so it was a stack 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.639 of paper, foil, paper, foil, so on. So it's a 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:17.160 stack of these. This is evidently something that is done 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:23.280 in a Chinese burial ritual, and that's to represent money 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.439 and fortune in the next life. So people have theorized 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.600 that it might have been some guys who are from 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.760 China fishing in the area illegally. They find the boat, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.760 they find the body, they bury it, they leave this 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.280 bit of a token as a custom to ferry him 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.040 into the next life with good fortune. But they don't 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.680 tell anybody because they're they're illegally. And the last thing 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.800 I want to do is report that I found this 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:51.560 body when, oh, by the way, I shouldn't have been 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.199 here in the first place. Is that the case. I 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.879 don't know, but that's what folks have theorized. And I 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:04.199 tried to find information about this supposed burial ritual. I 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.199 found a lot of stuff that talks about there's the 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.800 Chinese tradition where you burn effigies of things that you 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:17.320 own in honor of your ancestors. So if you've ever 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.200 been to like I've been to Chinatowns where you go 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.000 into the store and paper cars and paper TVs and 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.600 paper dresses and all these things their effigies that you 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.560 burn in respect to your ancestors. Because your ancestor doesn't 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.480 want you to actually burn the real thing because that 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.800 would be a waste of money, but to burn these 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.439 things in respect for them to help them in the 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.800 next life. I don't know if if that's what it was, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.000 but they say that that's what was found with the body, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:50.159 so lend some creedence. That is part one of this theory. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.120 Part two diverges a little bit. Part two says that 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:58.199 Warmon wasn't the only one who survived and made it 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.000 to the atoll on the martialized lens. This version says 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.280 at least one other person from the crew would have survived, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.080 and that they both made it to the Marshall Islands 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.840 and tried to live their shipwrecked until they could be rescued. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.119 The issue is that this is a toll. If anybody 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:18.800 wants to take the time to look this up on 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:24.040 Google Earth. It's not a pleasant place. It's extremely arid. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.280 There's vegetation, but it's nothing that you would want to 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.120 really eat. I mean's grasses and some bushes, but not 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.960 food stuff. And how far is it from the closest 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.479 next closest island. It's a couple well, it's it's like 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.879 a hundred or from the next toll. But that's the thing. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.000 It's a series of a tolls and then there's open 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.720 ocean and then more tolls. And a toll, for anybody 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.640 doesn't know, is literally a coral reef that has built 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.919 up high enough to catch sand and then it creates 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.800 and a toll typically will create a lagoon in the center. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.840 So this thing is kind of a a D shape, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.840 and the boat hit on the right hand curve of 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.720 the D and that's where they found it because that's 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:14.040 where the majority of the sand is at. That's a okay, yeah, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.239 I was, you know, I was thinking, well, maybe this 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.679 person could have like escaped down the atolls to the 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:23.399 Marshall Islands, which are inhabited and have some times of society, 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.800 and but this is this is very far away. Yeah, 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.600 that's a that's a huge distance to travel. Yeah, and 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:35.720 here's here's okay, So technically speaking, you could possibly survive 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.879 if you were living on this atollw what what's the 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:40.920 distance to the net the very next door at all? 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.119 Though we're talking. Yeah, that's why it's over miles if 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.600 I remember correctly. I don't have the number written down, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.760 but I know it's it's a disk. It's it's not 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.840 like you could swim there in a day in shark 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.199 infested waters, because they're literally it's shark infested waters. But 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.560 you could live on the island sort of off of 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.199 the vegetation. Well, there's a well, there's fish, there's a 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.760 ton of migratory birds that come through there, crabs, so 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:15.719 you can get protein. But the problem is water. Fort 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.400 of annual rainfall on this at all, So that's not 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.200 a lot of water. If you've got something to catch 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.159 the water, that's great. But if you're just trying to 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.199 live off of it pooled up, you are jacked. You're 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.840 completely adolest. There's no way to make that happen. As 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.560 the boat was the boat smashed when they found it. 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.240 It doesn't say I know it wasn't in good condition, 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.119 but it doesn't say what condition the boat was in. 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.480 I know that one of the family members has the 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.720 boat now and they have it as a bit of 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.720 a memorial, and they mean because it's it's been the 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:57.240 it was sev so we're at thet five year mark, 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.440 so they just did a memorial at the thirty five 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.639 year mark. But I don't know that the boat is 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.760 seaworthy in terms of being able to actually go out 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:08.720 and motor around in it. I just thought that to 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.439 make a nice water basins, have the boats clean the 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.160 boat out and set it out there to catch rain water. 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.560 I'm gonna guess it probably had holes in it, and 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.919 it's probably too big for one man to drag on 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:23.480 his own. Maybe two could do it. But we we 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.600 I mean, we've we've gone pretty far into the conditions 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.920 on this a toll. But the theory is is that 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:34.240 Mormon dies and then this other person, through some means, 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:39.159 decides to get out of there. My friend has died, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:41.800 all my other friends are dead. I got to get 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:47.639 off of this place, and somehow tries to swim away 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:52.360 to find something closer for whatever reason. Well, he obviously 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.880 tied some sea turtles together exactly. That's what I would do, 0:23:56.119 --> 0:24:01.600 because sea turtles are do this, whoa do Yeah, yeah, 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:06.919 it's exactly yeah. But I mean the problem with the 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:11.080 theory is, how would this person, other than swimming, try 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.680 to leave because it seems like a foolish venture if 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.399 to try and swim hundreds of miles or again, I 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.760 don't think you can see the other tolls, right, but 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.960 I guess it um a little matters like how banged 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.160 up the boat was slash, how much of the boat 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.240 they found, like if it had been cracked into he 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:35.080 could have, like you know, makeshift paddled this boat out, 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:39.000 since apparently they float if they're you know, cut into 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.720 three pieces. Even you know, you you find a stick 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:44.879 or something that will allow you to paddle, and you 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.600 just say, well, you know, I can't see another island, 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.920 but I can't live here, so I'm just gonna take 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.720