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Speaker 1: let's let's get into the first of our stories today,

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Speaker 1: which I guess somehow I got voted to go first,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the crew of the Sarah Joe. Okay. The Sarah Joe

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Speaker 1: is a is a story that starts in Hannah, Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: which is I believe is on the is on It's

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Speaker 1: in Maui County. But I couldn't figure out if that

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Speaker 1: but Google Map wouldn't say this island's name is Maui.

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Speaker 1: talk exactly. So the story starts on February eleven. We've

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Speaker 1: Ralph mala Kaya Kiny Scott. I think it's Malaya Kiny.

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Speaker 1: They all set sail for this trip. They borrowed a

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Speaker 1: seventeen foot Boston whaler which had the name of Sarah Joe,

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Speaker 1: thus the name of the story. The crew of the

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Speaker 1: Nobody really worries about it, except that afternoon the season,

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Speaker 1: out going fishing wasn't such a hot idea. No, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't the best idea. Why didn't they just check like

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Speaker 1: The problem is, however, is that there was a government

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Speaker 1: And the theories that I've found there's there's not a lot,

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Speaker 1: not that desperate, you know you do anything right. I mean,

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00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: And there's there are by the way, they're they're they're waste.

426
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: If you have if you have the problem with too

427
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: there are ways to desalinate water and purified water. You know,

428
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: plastic clear plastic sheet doesn't check every time, you know,

429
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a drip system. Yeah, absolutely,

430
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: really easy to do if you have if you're lucky

431
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: enough to have some plastic sheeting they may or may

432
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: not have had, right, Yeah, I guess something you're collected in.

433
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: This doesn't address like the first theory that of course

434
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: popped into my head was aliens. You're laughing, but seriously, like, okay,

435
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: so if we if they really didn't find it when

436
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: they did that geographic surveyor so you're you're using the

437
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: time lag, okay, yeah, they like and then yeah, okay,

438
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: something weird happened and then they popped out or you know,

439
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of it dropped out. You know, they

440
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: seem to have disappeared for a really long time. Is

441
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: it possible that the survey crew just didn't hit that

442
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: at all? Sure? But is it also possible that like

443
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: there was some kind of time lapse and they just

444
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: weren't there? Also? Sure? You know, you know, who's what

445
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: who's to say that, like they can't say another island

446
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: in between? Surely there are more islands in between. Hawaii

447
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: and these atolls. Who's to say they didn't hit another island,

448
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: stayed there for as long as possible, and then realize, crap,

449
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: we can't live here anymore, or decided, oh we are

450
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: going to live here, but our friend Mormon is dead,

451
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: so let's give him a sea burial, send him out

452
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, there's this is one of those

453
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: ones right where there's like so little information that there

454
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: are a multitude of crazy and that's all we know

455
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: is they disappeared on that day and ten years later

456
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: the boat and a buried body was found. Was it

457
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: a full buried body well or was it just but

458
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: not not all the bones were actually in the grave. Yeah.

459
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: I I didn't get the impression that the entire body

460
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: was there. The impression I had was the only thing

461
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: was there was a job on, which would be wrong.

462
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: I had heard that somebody else later on found a

463
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: bunch of bones like vertebrate and stuff like, not in

464
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: the grave, but like down by the water and the rocks,

465
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, near the water or something. Weird. It's so weird, yeah,

466
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's all these there's a lot of

467
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: weird conflicting stuff, and there's The problem with this is

468
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of interpreted writing about the story,

469
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: as in people are taking liberties with it. And I

470
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: know people take liberties with stories that we report, that

471
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: we talked about all the time, but these people have

472
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: turned it more into the story of the Sarah Joe

473
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: and so they've you know, they write, this is what

474
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: the crew did, and this is what they we're feeling,

475
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. Um. It's it's like

476
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: that Movidra. Yeah, it's like the movie what is the

477
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Greatest Storm? The perfect story, the perfect story. Yeah, they

478
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: don't know exactly why, but somebody went ahead and his

479
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: dramatizing it on their blog or on their free riding space,

480
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: and then that gets mixed in. Right, What we really

481
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: know is boat disappeared, boat found, job, bone found, and

482
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't I mean other than the fact that okay, well,

483
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: if truly it was found with this paper foil system,

484
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: I could see that that being applausible explanation. But I

485
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: have no idea what happened to the rest of the crew,

486
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: nor what happened in the ensuing prior ten years. We

487
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: assuming that they all five survived the storm and they

488
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: found themselves obviously they must have been out of fuel

489
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: or maybe their engine crapped out so they couldn't get

490
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: back to Hawaii. So they were adrift for a long time.

491
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: And of course now that some of them might have

492
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: been injured somebody assuming what, or another would have died

493
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: the hydration. And what do you do. You can either

494
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: eat him, you know what, does nothing to happen, or

495
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: more clearly, they just pushed him overboard and give him

496
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: a barrel at sea, because you can't have a rotting

497
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: corpse in your boat. Uh, that will kill you faster

498
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: than anyhing else. Yeah, and so and that might have

499
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: been the case that they kept dying off and getting

500
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: thrown in the sea. Only one guy was left and

501
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: he died eventually. And just you know, I spent years

502
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: after that drifting in the boat, or months at least.

503
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: And like Devin said, he could have gotten stuck on

504
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: some of their a toll for a while before being

505
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: broken loose and sat on onward. And yeah, I I

506
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: can't believe that they made it to any island. Yeah,

507
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: I know, it's very it's amazing that they made land anywhere. Yeah,

508
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: it kind of is, Yeah, because boats drift for years

509
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: and years and years and it never come aground. Maybe

510
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe he actually circled the world a couple

511
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: of times. Who the hell knows, it's possible. This is

512
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: such a good segue into my boat story. We should

513
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: probably start on a year boat story, because really we've

514
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: run mine into the ground. No pun intended. The boat

515
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: ends up on an island, Yeah, my mine. Also it's

516
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, a boat on an island that a boat

517
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on, right, Yeah, I'm just gonna jump right

518
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: into mine, you guys. So we're gonna talk about Bouvet Island.

519
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: It's literally the most middle of nowhere you can be.

520
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: It's widely touted as the most obsolete, not obsolete, what's

521
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, isolated, I want to be. Yeah,

522
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: that's actually southeast Oregon. It's um um four hundred miles

523
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: south southwest of the tip of South Africa and about

524
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: eleven hundred miles north of Antarctica, so it's in the

525
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Arctic Circle. But it's just, I mean, it's so far

526
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: away from everything. There's there's really nothing around. There's nothing

527
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: around it. Yeah, it's it's totally inhospitable to life. About

528
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: nineteen square miles large of it is a glacier, again,

529
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: totally inhospitable to life, and as is the case with

530
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: many tiny, tiny islands, apparently, uh, they're super popular. So

531
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: this island was first sighted. I'm just gonna give you

532
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: guys a little history to like inform where we're going

533
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: with this. Um. The island was first sighted on January one,

534
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty nine, by Jean Baptiste Charles Bouvet de Lozier.

535
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: So that how you would say that great, my my

536
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: French is really good. He that the island was later

537
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: named for him. Unfortunately, this guy, you know, it was

538
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: January one, he was probably super hungover. It wasn't great

539
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: at accurately recording things because he wrote down the wrong

540
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: coordinates and effectively lost the island until eighteen o eight.

541
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: It's losing an island. The island. It's super tiny, right,

542
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: It's so tiny and so out of the way. It's

543
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: not even like there's an island like right close to it, right,

544
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: like like we were just talking about with the atolls

545
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: there within three hundred miles of each other. Right this

546
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: actually yeah, this this is like a fun little bit.

547
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Thompson Island was said to have been close by quote unquote,

548
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: it didn't never give like any kind of modical nautical

549
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: miles or anything like that. But as it turns out,

550
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: that was just a phantom island. It was. It was

551
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: never an actual island. They were like, yeah, there's an

552
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: island close to it, kind of it's called Thompson Island.

553
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: It's It's another mystery in and of itself, the fact

554
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: that like four or five different people said, yeah, there's

555
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: an island over there, and it just never really existed,

556
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: it turns out. So we'll talk about that maybe some

557
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: other day. So in eighteen o eight, British whaler named

558
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: James Lindsay spotted Bouvet Island and you know, named it

559
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: after himself. Like yeah, so it's called Lindsay Island for

560
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: a while. And then in George Norris claimed the island

561
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: for the British Crown and named it Liverpool Island. Liverpool

562
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: later my favorite shaped pool. So excited about this island

563
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: that one there, Well, that's it, right, somehow super fopular island.

564
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: That's not the end of the history of it. Later

565
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: in seven Norway decided, oh, actually that's our island because

566
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: we're really close in proximity to it somehow. Uh So

567
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: they landed on it and declared it was the Dependency,

568
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: and they renamed it after the original finder, Dudekay. Technical

569
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: it is the technical term finder dude. Yeah. So in

570
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one it became a nature preserve, although I'm

571
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: not sure what they're preserving. I think ice maybe. Yeah,

572
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: I think there are they. I'm sorry, they call them

573
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: sea elephants. Okay. In every literally every account I read

574
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: of this, they talked about the cl elephants and I

575
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: had to google it. What's the elephants were? I think,

576
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I think it's sea lions, but apparently other people call

577
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: them sea elephants. Somewhere between nineteen and nineteen fifty eight,

578
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: some volcanic activity or maybe a landslide created a brand

579
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: new ice free rocky part of Bouvet Island, and it

580
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: included a small lake or lagoon. Always a lagoon, they always, Yeah,

581
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: it's like the atolls. They always call them a lagoon.

582
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: But I guess if it's a body of water inside

583
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: an island, then it's you know, I tend to think

584
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: that a lagoon is attached to the outer to the ocean,

585
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a harbor. Yeah, and this

586
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: was hard to kind of I guess us out. I

587
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: looked at some drawings that expeditions had done, um, particularly

588
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: pertaining to this little new bit and the mapping of it,

589
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get a really really good sense of

590
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: if it was a landlocked lake or a lagoon that

591
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: like fed into the ocean. So that, again is information

592
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: to keep in your mind as we talked about this story,

593
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: because it drastically changes how weird the story. Well, and

594
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: there's there's there's maybe I'm jumping ahead and the fan

595
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 1: tell me, but I remember seeing the photo and I didn't.

596
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: I never saw an outlet of the la dude. Well,

597
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: but it depends on what angle that photo was taken from,

598
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: because it's my impression that it was taken from a

599
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: boat as they left the island. And I don't want

600
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: to get too far ahead. Yeah, So, and actually I

601
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody's ever got for a way through.

602
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: And it's not that big, and nobody even knows it

603
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: could be six inchest deep. I mean it could just

604
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: be a big puddle. Well, actually we'll get to that.

605
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: So this is an ice free area of Bubet Island.

606
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: And as we previously for well for now, well, actually

607
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: the um as we discussed it is great glacier. This

608
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: is the seven percent that is not. And a geologic

609
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: survey expedition that went there measured the ground temperature, stuck

610
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: a thermometer into the ground. It is seventy seven degrees fahrenheit.

611
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: So it's volcanic. It's super hot that area. That's yeah,

612
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: that's super warm. But for ground in general, I think

613
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: seventy seven degrees is pretty freaking warm activities. I don't know.

614
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I could stick a thermometer in the

615
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: in the front yard right now and close. Sure. But

616
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: for a place that's glacier, oh yeah, so it's not

617
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: glacier that was in that that measurement was taken, so

618
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: you can assume that that is the cooled version of

619
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: the area that we're about to talk about or have

620
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: been talking about. Again, accounts very but in nineteen sixty four,

621
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: either a helicopter or a British naval ship set out

622
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: to explore this little bit of land because Norway it

623
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: owns it now, so of course the British Navy took

624
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: an extra big interest in it. Again, politics are hard

625
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: to tell the tiny little places like this. I was

626
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: thinking that it was that was a Norwegian ship or

627
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: something like that that had a helicopter pad and a helicopter.

628
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: It was British. Yeah, for sure. That's the one thing

629
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I am sure of in this story is that it

630
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: was British. Yeah. They they go to explore this little

631
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: bit of land. Um, they took some scientific measurements. Um.

632
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: And remember this little bit of land is ten years

633
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: old at the time. They take scientific measurements. They you know,

634
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: kind of take a look around. Oh. And also they

635
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: find a life raft in the middle of the newly

636
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: formed lagoon. A life raft but actually digging a boat. Yeah,

637
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: like a life like an old timey life raft wooden.

638
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: And from the map that I dot and again I'm

639
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: not saying with certainty that this is how it is,

640
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: but it looked like it was cut off from the

641
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: ocean with scree which is what they call um jagged rocks.

642
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: So a man by the name of Alan Crawford was

643
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: a part of this expedition and wrote a book about it,

644
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: and he described the site Joe, would you chose my

645
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: like go to reader, Yeah, what drauma, we wondered was

646
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: attached to this strange discovery. There were no markings to identify,

647
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: so old internationality. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do

648
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it with the dumba accent on the rocks the hundred

649
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: yards away. It was a forty four gallant drum and

650
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: a pair of oars with pieces of wood and a

651
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: copper flotation or buoyancy tank opened out flat for some purpose.

652
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Thinking castleways amount have landed. We made a brief search

653
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: but found no human remains. So puzzled understandably, the expedition

654
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: snaps a photo of the boat with an elephant seal

655
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: close by. Another reason why they might have been in

656
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: a rush to get out of there and headed off

657
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: because their window of time to leave this island was

658
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: limited because the weather is so bad. In fact, this

659
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: expedition had to sit at sea for like five days

660
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: because the weather was so bad that they couldn't land,

661
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: and their entire expedition accounted for minutes. Yeah, they were

662
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: on the island, if I remember correctly. So that it's

663
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: not a very thorough investigation. It's not. If you can

664
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: stick with us, that mystery deepens a little bit. In

665
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, two years later, you know, give or

666
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: take a couple of months, another expedition made its way

667
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: to Bouvet Island, this time allowing much more time for study.

668
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: They were really interested in that new area and now

669
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: it had formed, and why it was remaining glacier free.

670
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: And they spent a lot of time looking at the

671
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: lagoon as well, because they thought, oh, this is inhospitable

672
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: kind of area. It's subarctic, and we're really interested in

673
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: what kind of life thrives in subarctic temperatures. They did

674
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: a lot of measurements in the lagoon, talked about the

675
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: different types of algae that had flourished there despite the cold,

676
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: but never once mentioned the fact that there was a

677
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: lifeboat in there, or oars or anything else on the

678
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: shore around the lagoon, which leads many people to believe

679
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: that two months later the lifeboat, ors buency devices, whatever,

680
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: we're all gone. M hm, that was only two months later,

681
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: two years years? Ask the two months? Sorry, I'm sorry now?

682
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: Can I can I ask something to clarify because I

683
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: didn't understand in the description? Is the buoyancy tank laid

684
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: out flat? Does that mean somebody took a It was

685
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: a copper tank and they hammered it open and hammered

686
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: it flat. That's my understanding of it. And I wish

687
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: that that picture was better. There's just the one picture.

688
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty picture. It's a pretty crude picture. But so

689
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: you can see the lifeboat and an elephant seal, but

690
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: you can't thought at first I thought the seal was

691
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: the tank. Until I realized it was a seal. I

692
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: felt really dumb. Yeah, like an elephant a seal shaped tank. Yeah,

693
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: there's none of the other You can't see this stuff

694
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: that that was apparently on this Okay, And so that

695
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: for me is like a big I can explain away

696
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: what happened there. If it's like kind of like just

697
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: an inlet lagoon that opens up into the sea and

698
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: has just a boat floating in it, right, But if

699
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: it's a landlocked lagoon, this is a much larger mystery

700
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: to me, right, yeah, right, yeah, well yeah, I mean,

701
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't even understand why somebody would take a tank

702
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: and hammer it flat. That's a lot of freaking effort.

703
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 1: But I don't know if we're if I'm jumping ahead here,

704
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: but I mean, okay, I can see somebody taking the

705
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: time and effort to drag a boat in. I can

706
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: see him dragging their oars in, but cutting in half

707
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: or mashing flat a copper tank. It's just a weird thing.

708
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. I was a theory, okay, okay,

709
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: and I don't know are there but we're not at

710
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: that theory. Okay. I'm sorry. That's that's fine. I like

711
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: jumping around and I have I think four theories that

712
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to go through one. The first one, the

713
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: most romantic one, is that there was an actual shipwreck

714
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: and there was an actual lifeboat that happened to find

715
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: this island, and there were survivors that tried to live

716
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: on the island and perished. Of course, their skeletons were

717
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: never found. Of course, you know, who knows. Maybe the

718
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: sea elephants dragged him into the water. Well, as you say,

719
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no structures in terms of land mass,

720
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: it's of any kind that you could use for protection

721
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: from the weather. Yeah, so your run away they blow around.

722
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: I gotta say, that's uh. That latitude is fifty four

723
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: degrees south, which is what we call the furious fifties. Yeah,

724
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: it's serious. It's dripping winds. Yeah, I've actually been at

725
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: that latitude. That's Sway, Argentina, which I spent several days

726
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: in is it's almost the exact same latitude. And actually

727
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: in the summertime it's pretty warm and nice. It's not

728
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: as inhospitable as you would think the latitude, but the

729
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: wind is ferocious. Yeah. So, and there are a lot

730
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: of problems I have with this theory, right And granted,

731
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: you know the tank pounded flat. It speaks of kind

732
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: of a desperation that you want to attribute to people

733
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: trying to save their lives. But there was there were

734
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: no skeletons found, there were no signs of camp, there

735
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: were no signs of attempts forages. There's no signs of like,

736
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, somebody trying to kill a sea elephant or

737
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: anything like that. Well, there's there's nothing on there's nothing

738
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: there to burn beside the boat, so there's no gonna

739
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: be no signs of fire that if you kill one

740
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: of those cea elephants, good luck, because they're they're massive.

741
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: But okay, let's say you steal a pop well there,

742
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, their bones are about the size of yours.

743
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: And if these are ripping winds with massive waves, at

744
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: some point I can see that all being washed away.

745
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't see what are the signs of quote unquote

746
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: camp there would be, Well, it can't be like camp fires,

747
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: for example, there's nothing on this island to burn rock.

748
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: So here's my number one complaint with this whole thing

749
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: is that anybody, well, in my mind, anybody who's in

750
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: a survival situation, particularly with a lifeboat like this, knows

751
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: that the way that you survived that situation is you

752
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: pull that lifeboat up on shore and you make it

753
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: your shelter. There are numerous, very well to document cases

754
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: of people surviving for months, very extended amounts of time

755
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: that well, but that's right, okay. So and again that's

756
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: where you know comes in, like it depends on where

757
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: their waves hitting this shore or is this like a

758
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: fairly calm lagoon kind of area when did believe me,

759
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: the wind down there is strong enough to take a

760
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: boat like that and knock it over and push it around. Right,

761
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: But so you assume that if if they're using this

762
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: as shelter, they found a way to secure it. Yeah,

763
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: probably he's probably piling rocks around it and such. But

764
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: eventually when they're gone, you know, the wind works at

765
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: loose and flips, flips it around, pushes it around. And

766
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm going, but you would see those rocks, the piles

767
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: of rocks, Yeah, probably, but they might have looked fairly random.

768
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been right up against the boat by

769
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: that point in time. Well, let me let me I mean,

770
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: I know I'm jumping off the track here, but okay,

771
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: So the island was quote unquote first officially discovered in

772
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: the early se and there were whalers in that area

773
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: or a couple hundred years. So wouldn't it be possible

774
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: to to follow your I'm going to use the boat

775
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: as my shelter theory to say that. But let's say

776
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: before this this fallout area became this, this slide area happened,

777
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: that maybe somebody had been using their boat as a

778
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: shelter on the ice and then died there, and then

779
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: when the ice crumbled because of this slush out, the

780
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: boat was left behind and everything else was buried. Because

781
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: the boat is big enough, it would bounce on top

782
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: of the this landslide. It's light. Light things always kind

783
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: of get pushed the top. So I don't know if

784
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: a wooden boat is light compared to several tons rock.

785
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: It's the lightest thing it's possible. So you're thinking how

786
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: far back, I don't know, seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds. At

787
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: some point some porch love gets stuck on the island,

788
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: like this theory is running with. But let's say I'm

789
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: saying it's pre this area becoming established and then when

790
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: it all sloughs out, you know, breaks away from the

791
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: ice or whatever. I don't know, I'm spitballing here. So

792
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: it could be older than people are trying to establish

793
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: it as having come about. Well, not necessarily that old though,

794
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: because they also He also noted the presidence of a

795
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: forty four gallon drum is not something an No, you're right,

796
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. I'm I hadn't. I forgot about

797
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: that bit, yah, I mean, I don't know. I'm just

798
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to as everybody is grasping at strong

799
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: as for the little bit that we've got. Right. So

800
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: the other thing that I you know, I think about

801
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: when I think about this, like drum that's metal that's

802
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: been pounded out, I think of somebody in the you know,

803
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of mid sixties, early seventies, there's planes flying around,

804
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: maybe trying to use it as an S O S

805
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: signal kind or like our giant reflection. Yeah, wondered about that.

806
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: I can see that, sure, but it's not my favorite theory.

807
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: It's a theory, but it's not a favorite theory. Another

808
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: theory is the lifeboat just kind of lost at sea,

809
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, torn off, a boat just randomly happened to

810
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: find this lagoon, although of course that doesn't explain the

811
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: oars and all that stuff on the shore, and also

812
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: the highly improbability. And this is the other thing that

813
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: I didn't really talk about with that first one. It's like,

814
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: we lost this island for a real long time. You know,

815
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: it's so remote that it seems really unlikely that somebody

816
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: would just luckily happen upon it in a life threatening situation,

817
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: or unlikely or an unmanned boat would just happen to

818
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: wash into this lagoon right up somewhere. A crap in

819
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: the ocean floats up onto places all the time. I mean,

820
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: it happens. It's it's rand happenstance, but it's still happen.

821
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: It does. It's just it washes up on places that

822
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: are like huge land masses by and large. I mean

823
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while you'll see uh,

824
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: you know sand bar that's got a bunch of stuff

825
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: washed up on it, But really that's because the tides

826
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: wash it. You know, they pass right through there. This

827
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: is not a place that is known or recognized as

828
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: a high traffic area by any means, and the tides

829
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: don't run through there. It's not like, yeah, it's not like,

830
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, the Western Seaboard tides run through and deposit

831
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. Because this is it's a lone incident.

832
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: So you know, the the odds of some like sad

833
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: souls on a lifeboat and life situation washing or an

834
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: unmanned lifeboat seemed fairly low. And again I come back

835
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: to the whole I can't tell because I've looked at

836
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: the Google Earth images of this place and I can't

837
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: see a look boon of any kind I saw, and

838
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: I could pretty small, and I couldn't tell if it

839
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: was if it's land locked or attached to the sea

840
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: in any way, if I was looking at the right lagoon. Yeah,

841
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: And the other problem is it's it. I don't remember when,

842
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: but it was only fairly recently that they got the

843
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: first full aerial photo of the entire island without clouds,

844
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: because it is always socked in at some portion of

845
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: it with clouds just because that's the way the weather

846
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: is in that area. Yeah. So the next theory, the

847
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: third theory is my favorite theory. It's that it's the

848
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: remains of an fairly undocumented landing party that did an

849
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: expedition to this island or land on this island. Um. So,

850
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, the theory goes that a landing party used

851
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: their lifeboats to dock in, right, which you kind of

852
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: wood if you had lifeboats like this, there's a high

853
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: possibility that you could reattach them to your ship. Of

854
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: course that's fine, you know, well, and a current kind

855
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: of commercial ships don't have that capability. Once you abandoned ship,

856
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: you've abandoned ship. But there are used to be, and

857
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: I think as late as like the eighties and nineties

858
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: and maybe still today, there are ships that you could,

859
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, like send a docking party out or landing

860
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: party out in your smaller ships. Yeah. Yeah, that's the tenders.

861
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: That's what whaling ships used to do all the time. Yeah, exactly,

862
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: so they would be tenders. Think you know, on recent

863
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: I guess actually no, this was back in the early sixties.

864
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: As I say, they would be using zodiac. But I

865
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: keep forgetting out it was back in early sixties. Yeah.

866
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: So the theory goes that a landing party of whaling

867
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: ships from wherever went by the island and thought, there's

868
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: an island, let's go check it out. Dropped two ships,

869
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: two boats, excuse me, landed. One of them got a

870
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: little bit ruined in the landing party. They went around,

871
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, they explored, they realized there was nothing really there,

872
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: and then decided, well, this one, this, this boat is damaged,

873
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: so we'll just leave it here and we'll all pile

874
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: back into this other boat, go back to the ship

875
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and be on our merry way. I like this theory

876
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. One, it explains how the

877
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: boat got there. It explains why it's there. It explains

878
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: why there's no sign of camp or anything like that.

879
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: I also think, and I didn't see this anywhere, but

880
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: in my mind, it explains why a tank may have

881
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: been pounded out, because it seems as though that could

882
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: have been a potential attempt to repair the ship in

883
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: some way to say oh or the boat excuse me,

884
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: to say oh, well, let's just see if we can

885
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: Jerry ready real quick. Oh no, that's not working, okay,

886
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: or it's not worth our time, or the weather's coming

887
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: in or whatever. Okay, we'll just leave it. We'll all

888
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: pile back into this one boat that's not damage make shifting,

889
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like throw it on the it we

890
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: hit in the water, open, pop right out, yeah exactly.

891
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: And then you just don't think that I don't think

892
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: that would have solved their problems. I don't think it

893
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: would have solved their problem either. But you know, I

894
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: think that it's a possibility to just be you know,

895
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: like on shore kind of like troubleshooting the problem. Then

896
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: think that never, never mind, all right, we'll just pile

897
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: back into this boat. We'll leave it here, go on

898
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: their merry way. Nobody reports to Norway or Yeah or

899
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: whoever wherever that you know, says we landed on this

900
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: thing and we left a boat here. But before they leave,

901
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: they they and this is the fundamental clues to who

902
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: did it. They dragged the boat to that lagoon and

903
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: they put it in. And again that's a practical joke,

904
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: and this tells us who it was. It was the Russians.

905
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean the Russians, they had that kind of sense here.

906
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: So and that's you know, again that comes back to

907
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: my biggest problem with this whole story is that whole

908
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: big question mark that's attached to I don't I don't

909
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: totally and know the situation of this lagoon. I mean truly,

910
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: all of the geographic maps that I've seen, all of

911
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: the Google Earth images that I've seen, the Google Earth

912
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: images that I've seen, I don't know what Google Earth

913
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: images you were looking at, but I didn't see a

914
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: single lagoon in any of them. I saw a bunch

915
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: of kind of you know, alcoves in the shore of

916
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: the island, but I didn't see any lakes or anything

917
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: like that. And you know, and I may have just

918
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: missed it or whatever. So I I don't have a

919
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: good satisfying answer of is this a landlocked lake, lake, lagoon, whatever,

920
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: or is this a just a like a inland. Now

921
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: It's like there was somebody actually made a map of

922
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: that little peninsula and it showed the location of the lagoon,

923
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: and then that's what I saw. But the spot, a

924
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: dark spot on the Google the Google Earth image in

925
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: that location. So I guess then we go back to

926
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: why is it there? And then you know there's the

927
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: four theory, which is of course that perhaps it never

928
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: existed photoshop it would have been a really good photoshop,

929
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: because there is photographic evidence. It turns out that Alan

930
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: Crawford is the only person to have ever mentioned this,

931
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: So eveno there were a bunch of the there, that's

932
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: the he's the only person. He wrote a book about it.

933
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: And then you know the scientific survey that went back

934
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: how two years later I didn't mention it. And again

935
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, they were studying the lagoon and they said

936
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: it was shallow, but I don't know how extensive there's

937
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if they went out to

938
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: the middle and like stepped in it and said, oh, yeah,

939
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: it's super shallow, or if they just said, uh, it

940
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: looks pretty shallow. Probably fine in it, just like to

941
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: know the deeper it is. And yeah, I have no idea. Again,

942
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: there are a lot of big question marks attached to

943
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: this one, which is of course what makes it an

944
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: unsolved mystery, which is why we're talking about it. Well, yeah,

945
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: I I never was able to actually track in on

946
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: which theory I thought was best, And it's because of

947
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: the fact that there's one mention. Yeah, if there was

948
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: documentation in the logs or from other people besides this

949
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: one guy, and if that initial crew had spent more

950
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: than forty five freaking minutes on the island, I could

951
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: give it more credence. But I don't because it's just

952
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: it's so wishy washy. Yeah. So that's, you know, an

953
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: interesting one. And by the way, this was a listener suggestion.

954
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: It was suggested by Tarken. I probably have just butchered

955
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: your name. I greatly apologize. Yeah, would you give me

956
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: a pronunciation guide because I can't figure out how to

957
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: say your name? But it was a listener suggestion, and

958
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: it was a great listener suggestion I had actually never

959
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: heard of. Again, you know, I keep saying, although at

960
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: this point I think maybe more times than not, I'm saying, oh,

961
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: I say that I know a lot of unsolved mysteries,

962
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: but I've never heard of this one. I think at

963
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: this point I need to like shelve that response because

964
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: at this point, and you know, actually that that I

965
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: feel a bit foolish now is I just realized that

966
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: the Sarah Joe was also a listener's suggestion, and for

967
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: the life of me. I didn't write down who suggested

968
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: that I don't Steve Steve Joe's turn at this. Yeah,

969
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: unless you guys want to talk more about making of

970
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: creepy scary boat mysteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you can.

971
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: You can round us off on creepy scary boat mysteries.

972
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk about another boat. This one

973
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: did not end up on an island when I'm talking about,

974
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: of course, the Envy Joita Envy standing for I Believe

975
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: Merchant Vessel also known as Mary Celeste Pacific. This is

976
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: why you pick this. You love the Mary Celeste's favorite.

977
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Any any any ship or boat found this like everybody's

978
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: gone and it's just just cool. Before you go any further,

979
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: this was suggested by Ben our listener. This was on

980
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: my radar already because if you go out to the

981
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: web and you find one of those those web pages

982
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: that's the ten creepiest, weirdest ghost ships ever, this one's

983
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: usually on it with joy to perfect. So this is

984
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: this entire short episode is a listeners suggestion. I like

985
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: this listener suggestion. Didn't even I didn't even realize that

986
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: these were all listeners suggestions. Boats boats alright, so let's

987
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: let's get let's get down to our mystery here. So

988
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: this takes place. This starts in October nine. So about

989
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: five am October three, the Joy Da Celeste left Samoa

990
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: bound north bound for the Toklau Islands, which are We're

991
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: about two seventy miles still are actually I don't think

992
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: they've moved apart, but the hundred seventy miles away. There

993
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: were twenty five people on board. That included sixteen crew

994
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: and nine passengers, which I think is a little strange

995
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: when you think about it. That's the first that's the

996
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: first part of our mysteries. Why so many crew this

997
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: boat was about seventy long. That's a mystery. Well, it's

998
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: it's all about the money. The owner was trying to

999
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: get extra cash by paying his crew, but by having

1000
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: by having extra passengers. I'm not mystified by the passengers.

1001
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering why he needed sixteen crew. So it

1002
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: was captain. The captain's name was quote unquote Dusty Miller,

1003
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: and his first mate. Um, I won't bother with the

1004
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: name because people are gonna forget him anyway. So Dusty Miller,

1005
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: his first mate Mr Simpson, and a whole bunch of

1006
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: other guys and nine passengers. One of the passengers was

1007
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: a doctor who was heading up there to perform an amputation.

1008
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: So he had this a little black bag with him. Anyway,

1009
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: so they again, they steamed out of the They steamed

1010
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: out of the harbor and Samoa and we're the people

1011
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: were needless say, never seen again. Are we going to

1012
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that they left a day light? Oh? Yeah,

1013
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: they did leave a little bit late, not quite a daylight.

1014
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: They were gonna leave late the night before, and then

1015
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: they wanted to laying because the clutch went bad on

1016
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: their sports side engine, so they were running on one engine. Yeah,

1017
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: they wanted to try and find some parts. It couldn't

1018
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: find some parts, and so they decided to leave at

1019
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: the leave at the tide at five am on just

1020
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: one engine. Yeah. Always a bad idea. And by the way,

1021
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's always a bad idea, is just

1022
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: getting on one of these ghost ships to begin with.

1023
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: Somebody says, hey, you want to go for a ride

1024
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: at my ghost ship? No, no, okay, So they left

1025
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: on one engine. Her cargo was consistent of that. Yeah,

1026
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: this boat was not just a tour boat or anything

1027
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: like that. It was it was it was a cargo boat.

1028
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: Her cargo was medical supplies, some timber eighty empty forty

1029
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: five gallon oil drums, and food. And I assumed they

1030
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: were taking food up there for resale to the Tacou

1031
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: Islands because apparently the Taco Islands are even smaller and

1032
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: more ice lated than Samoa. It was supposed to take

1033
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 1: between forty one and forty eight hours. In other words

1034
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: of we're all off. We've ever done my singing career

1035
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: is tank People don't download our episodes for the singing. Yeah.

1036
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, so the Joda was scheduled to arrive on

1037
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: October five. Of course they didn't show up. So on

1038
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: October six, they sent a message reporting the ship was

1039
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: overdue the port they were supposed to land, part the

1040
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: port that they were supposed to land, and reported them overdue. Uh.

1041
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: Nobody reported hearing any sort of distress signal from the

1042
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: from the crew, and there's a reason for this. Turns

1043
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: out the radio tent tent had been disconnected. They didn't

1044
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: know about it. UH. Search and rescue mission was launched

1045
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: and from six to twelve October planes from the New

1046
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: Zealand Air Force cer Scenaria roughly one square miles and

1047
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: found no sign of the boat or the people. Five

1048
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: weeks later, the No've ever ten merchant ship Tuvalu sighted

1049
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: to join you to more than six hundred miles west

1050
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: of her scheduled route that would be somewhat north of Fiji,

1051
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: I think northeast of Fiji. Uh it was partially submerged

1052
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: listening to port and there was no trace of any

1053
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: of the passengers passengers of crew of course UH four

1054
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: times of cargo was missing. And they also noted the

1055
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: radio was tuned to Killer Hurts, which is the International

1056
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Marine Radio Telephone Distress channel, So obviously somebody was trying

1057
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: to get help. Yeah. It turns out that this is

1058
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: discovered later on during the inquiries, That is that there

1059
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: was a break in the cable leading to the the

1060
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: external antenna and apparently the break had been painted over

1061
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: at some point and so it looked like it was intact.

1062
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: But actually though there wasn't there weren't really vppy things.

1063
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: This was not the most well maintained ship. I mean,

1064
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: um for you know, like obviously it's a little risky

1065
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: taken off to see with only one engine working. Although

1066
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: I when when you think about it, I guess it's

1067
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: d was had at the starboard engine quit. Then you

1068
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: could always dismantle the clutch and fix the port engine

1069
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: clutch and get it work. But there were some other

1070
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: problems too, like, for example, they had builch pumps like

1071
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: all boats do, and these ones didn't have screens on

1072
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: the ends of their intakes, and so the bulge pumps

1073
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: became clogged. But I'm getting ahead of myself. This was

1074
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: discovered later when they actually got the boat back to

1075
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: port and started examining it. They discovered the cooling intake,

1076
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: the cooling water intake for the sea for the starboard

1077
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: engine was a galvanized pipe. It rusted through and it

1078
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: started leaking. And so this was there was a fairly

1079
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: old ship at this point right now. Yeah, it was like,

1080
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: well it wasn't that inch I think it was built, yeah,

1081
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, and it had served in the war certain

1082
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: World War two, you know, it had seen some time

1083
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: number of yeah, and that you would expect that perhaps

1084
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: if it were going to continue to operate, that like

1085
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: these things would have been replaced, they would have it

1086
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: would have been rebuilt or whatever. But that for whatever

1087
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: reason that those things had been overlocked. Yeah, and it

1088
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: turns out, you know, as we all know now, galban

1089
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: ice pipe used to be the all the rage, and

1090
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: now we know that it kind of rushed through dominized pipe.

1091
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: And what's sad is when this boat was originally built,

1092
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: it had brass pipe. But at some point in it's refitting.

1093
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: I think the U. S. Navy refitted it when they

1094
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: took it over for World War Two. They stripped the

1095
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: old piping and replace it with galvanize because Galvian ice

1096
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: was better. And so then maybe if they hadn't done that,

1097
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: this might not have happened right, quite possible, or if

1098
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: they'd put you know, coffer or brass, yeah, copper brass

1099
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: back in. There were shortage, there were shortages during the war.

1100
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: That that wasn't the only problem, not at all the

1101
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: only problem. When they got to join it back to

1102
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: back to harbor and looked her over carefully, discovered the

1103
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: whole was sound, there was there were no holes in that.

1104
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: But they imediately discovered that leaky pipe which had rested through.

1105
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: As we said, kelvanic corrosion isn't that um when you've

1106
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: got different types of metal within a loop, and that

1107
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, one type of metal, like the offcasts from

1108
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: like a copper loop for instance. Right, if you've got

1109
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: copper and GalF and I steel, copper corrodes the galvanize steel.

1110
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: The little particles from each of them corrode the other

1111
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: and kind of becomes it's a weird chemical reaction. Yeah. Yeah,

1112
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: it's my understanding. I could be wrong, yeah, yeah, But anyway,

1113
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: so back to our story, So the crew would not

1114
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: have known about this leak until the water rose about

1115
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: the floorboards of the engine room. So by that time

1116
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: it was really too late. The whole thing is underwater,

1117
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: and getting to it to plug it would have been

1118
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: pretty much impossible the leak, right, yeah, getting to the

1119
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: leak to plug it. H And as I as noted previously,

1120
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: the bills pumps were not did not have strainers on

1121
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: their intakes, so they got clogged and stopped working, so

1122
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: they kept taking on water. But my understanding of the

1123
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: construction of the whole of the ship, maybe I'm jumping ahead,

1124
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: that it was even more unsinkable than yeah it was

1125
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: the ship that yeah, it was. Well, it was two

1126
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: and six seater planking, it was, which is what it

1127
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,479
Speaker 1: was built up. And then the hole. At one point

1128
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: they decided to refrigerate the hold, so they aligned it

1129
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: with cork to ancelate it. So yeah, and also on

1130
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: top of that, as I mentioned previously, they were carrying

1131
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: eighty empty barrels and full of air, full of air exactly,

1132
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: so the boat was unsinkable. Now this is this is

1133
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: saying that those those were sealed and so they would

1134
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: hold the air, not just open. Yeah. Yeah, And and

1135
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: the I would assume they would have been sealed because

1136
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: they're transporting for a purpose, I would useless for the

1137
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: purpose without there, without their their plugs, that would be

1138
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: And also just to keep the fumes down and the

1139
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: hold of the boat, you'd want to have them plug. Yeah,

1140
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: So it only makes sense that these things were sealed up.

1141
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: But even without that, the boat was still more or

1142
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: less unsinkable, right, So, and it was taking on water,

1143
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: but it was unsinkable. Yeah, But nonetheless it's still a

1144
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: stressful situation. Well, anyway, let me talk a little bit

1145
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: about the damage here though, that they they found there

1146
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: was damage to the superstructure. The boat had had a

1147
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: flying bridge which apparently had been torn away. What's a

1148
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: flying bridge? Sorry, it's kind of a it's a cabin

1149
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: that's opened at the back. Okay, yeah, that's on top

1150
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: of the regular on top of the regular bridge. You know.

1151
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: It's it's like you see a lot of those in

1152
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: there for fishing boats and stuff. You get a lot

1153
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: of height and so you can you can spot the

1154
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: fish ees from further away like that. But apparently it's

1155
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: not it's not always enclosed. Yeah, sometimes they are. Sometimes

1156
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: they aren't, but it's it's a pot. Yeah. Often it's

1157
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: just like a platform with the windscreen and extra steering

1158
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: station and then and then that the awning. Maybe it's

1159
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it's open like an awning or something

1160
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: like that. So that had been torn away a lot.

1161
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: Most of the windows have been broken. Somebody had ranked

1162
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: the canvas awning on the top of the deck house

1163
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: behind the ridge, which makes sense. It's hot, and then

1164
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: you want to get some one more shade. I assume

1165
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: uh an auxiliary pump had been rigged up in the

1166
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: engine room. I'm sorry. The canvas awning Was it intact

1167
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: when they found the shipper. It appears it was intact.

1168
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like there wasn't shredded or anything. That now, well, yeah,

1169
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: and that's why, there's some images of it and you

1170
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: can see that it's still in place, and you would

1171
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: see the damage to the flying bridge and it's significant,

1172
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: but it's not as if it was torn away. Yeah,

1173
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: it's it's curious to me, Yeah, it's I just thought

1174
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: that it was worth noting that part of it had

1175
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: been torn away but other parts were undamaged, and that

1176
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: that seemed that appeared to be from waves. Yeah. Essentially,

1177
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: it's a little odd to me that the the temporary

1178
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: owning that they rigged that they had rigged up was

1179
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: more or less intact, you know, so much of the

1180
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: damage had been done. That's kind of interesting. Any Way,

1181
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: back to the story here. So they had rigged up

1182
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: an auxiliary pump in the engine room between the two engines. Uh,

1183
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: but it was not connected, which would indicate to me

1184
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: that the starboard engine probably quit right about when they

1185
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: were ready to connected, because obviously you're taking the engine

1186
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: to run the pump. Yeah, I'm assuming that this probably

1187
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: wasn't a power takeoff kind of situation from the engine.

1188
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: They probably was an electric pump, right, and so as

1189
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: long as they had electricity, which they got when the

1190
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: motor was running, then they could run that thing. But

1191
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: when the motor stopped running, well no juice and no

1192
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: auxiliary pump. So yeah, they were kind of hosed as

1193
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: I As I mentioned, the boat was left listing and

1194
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: it was semi submerged. It was you said, you've seen

1195
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: the pictures. It was very heavily The barnacle growth on

1196
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: the on the outside of the hull above the usual

1197
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: waterline show that it had been It had been in

1198
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: that position for a considerable amount of times weeks. Yeah,

1199
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: at least don't grow like crazy fast. Um, I don't know,

1200
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: I have no idea how fast they grow. Well, I

1201
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: mean it took it took a number of weeks, was

1202
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: about five weeks, and so there was enough growth in

1203
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: that couple of weeks period for being recognizable. Yeah, so

1204
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: that that gives you some frame reference of their speedy growth.

1205
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: What else they had a dinghy with like a tender

1206
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: And also what are they what they call carly life

1207
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: rafts also called carly floats, and these are like these

1208
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: are like non inflatable life rafts. The military used them

1209
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: like in World War Two. They're kind of hard plastic,

1210
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: they're not higher plastic. What they are is is there

1211
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: that there's a central core that's formed in a noble,

1212
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: and the central core is made up of either a

1213
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: copper tubing or sometimes steel tubing, and it's like twelve

1214
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: in diameter, and it's formed in a big oble, just

1215
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: like a regular inflatable life raft would look right, And

1216
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 1: then that's covered with cork on the outside for additional buoyancy.

1217
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: And then that's all covered with canvas which is in

1218
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: sealed with and stuff like that, and then it's got

1219
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: like a like a mesh floor. Yeah, there you go,

1220
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: Devin showing us a picture right now, and I'm the

1221
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: Google grea. Okay, So if anybody has ever watched I

1222
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: swear you've watched Jaws, right, and there's they kind of

1223
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: do a discussion of when all the guys were floating

1224
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: in those boats and the sharks were coming along. Yeah,

1225
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: and they they kind of did a bit of a

1226
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: filming of the scene. Am I confusing that with something

1227
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: else where they showed those boats and they showed how

1228
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: they had the that kind of net flooring to them. Yeah,

1229
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 1: some of them had like lattice like wood slat floors

1230
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: and some of them had a mess sort of flooring. Okay,

1231
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what we're talking about. But there so

1232
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: they had three of those, all those were missing, which

1233
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: was suggest that they took to the life rafts at

1234
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: some point in a bandoned ship. But of course that

1235
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense because as we

1236
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: all know, the boat was unsinkable. Those and and the

1237
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: carly life rafts. I'm sorry, excuse me if I'm wrong here,

1238
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: but those are the kind of life rafts that are

1239
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: like stored, they inflate. They had the canister, it's hatched

1240
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: to them and they inflate. Now these are these are

1241
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: not inflatable, They're always inflated. And the dinghy as well,

1242
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: always inflated. Danny was a wooden dinghy like like the

1243
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: one that so they weren't that that would have only

1244
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: been seaworthy if there was an emergency, like if you

1245
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: inflated them yourself. So they could have just been washed

1246
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: off if there had been. I'm assuming they were pretty

1247
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: pretty carefully lashed down, but they could have been. They

1248
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: could have been broken loose and washed off. I would

1249
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: say that somebody somebody took them, either an abandoned ship

1250
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: or somebody else came along maybe after the fact, found

1251
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: that the boat floating, and thought, well and life Fest

1252
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: grab a few things. They're not enough life Fest for everybody.

1253
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: They had them, but not enough. I may have been

1254
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: googling while we just covered oh you were uh yeah,

1255
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: see what other mysterious things. The starboard engine was covered

1256
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: by a mattress. Well. Yeah. One of the theories about

1257
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: that is that the as the water level was creeping up,

1258
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: the flywheel and the and the belt on the starboard

1259
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: engine was flinging up water unto the electrical panel, and

1260
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: they might have wanted to cover it, so they stopped

1261
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: wedding down the electric panel. So that's one possibility match

1262
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: like they didn't have you're not you're not, Yeah, and

1263
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: you're not. That's probably the closest thing that they had.

1264
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: But you know, a max especially like it's full of

1265
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: water already. Yeah, you're thinking of like a seely posture pedic.

1266
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking this is like a c matress,

1267
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: Like that's the one that's a couple of couple. I

1268
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. H that's one of those

1269
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I just is still weird to

1270
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: me that would be what they would use. But as

1271
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, continue yeah, uh, as I said that the

1272
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: radio was was disabled, and so they it's estimated the

1273
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: range of the radio is about two miles, and so

1274
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: they were broadcasting in a stress signal. Undoubtedly that nobody

1275
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: that nobody heard. Yeah, quite sad. The electric clocks on

1276
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: board stopped at ten twenty five switches for the cabin

1277
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: lighting and the navigation lights were on, which indicates that

1278
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: power finally was lost at night. And there's I I'm

1279
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: not sure if I believe this what I when they've

1280
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: heard in the standard of couches that the everything was

1281
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: wired directly into the ship's generator, the lights and the

1282
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: clocks and everything. But I can't. I find that hard

1283
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,879
Speaker 1: to believe you'd wired You'd wired them to the batteries.

1284
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: For example, do you want your clock shutting off every

1285
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: time you turn the engine off, Yeah, it should go

1286
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: to the battery and and same, I mean the same

1287
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: thing with the lights. You should have the capability of

1288
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: running your nav lights even if your engines out. So

1289
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: so a lot of people said, oh, this is in

1290
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: the case that whatever cataclysm happened to them happened at night.

1291
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, it just means the battery finally ran down.

1292
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: At night, So that's all it means, although the lights

1293
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: switched on does indicate something happening at night, right you

1294
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: you don't turn the lights on if it's broad daylight. Yeah,

1295
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have the lights on at night.

1296
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: So they obviously they finally lost all their juice sometime

1297
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: at night. Uh, let's see what else the log book,

1298
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: the sextant, their chronometer, and also Dusty Miller of the

1299
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: captain kept a few guns on board. All that stuff

1300
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: was gone. And they also found the doctor. Remember I

1301
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: said there was a doctor on board. Yeah, they found

1302
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: his bag on the deck and had a stethoscope and

1303
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: a scalpel and some bloodstained bandages that I'm not sure

1304
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: what happened to the rest of the stuff. Maybe it

1305
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: got washed over board. If you gotta go perform an amputation,

1306
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: do you think you need more than a scalpel unless

1307
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: you're unless you're unless you're to have that. Maybe, Yeah,

1308
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: you think you had more in the doctor's bag and

1309
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: a stethoscope and a scalpel, though I thought part of

1310
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: the cargo were medical supplies, which just keeps smaller medical

1311
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 1: supplies in your bag. That he had some great stuff

1312
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: in the supplies. Yeah, yeah, it's entirely possible. But still,

1313
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't really like a bone throwe doesn't

1314
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: really actually fit? Yeah, probably not. Yeah, you still think

1315
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: you've seen those black doctor's bags. You've been a lot

1316
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: more in the stethoscope of a scalpel in there. So

1317
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: I necessarily don't really keep bloodstained bandaged. Not necessarily yeah. Yeah,

1318
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe he was into recycling. I don't know, but yeah,

1319
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: And last of all, there was fuel in her tanks. Uh,

1320
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: And they calculated from the amount that had been used

1321
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: that she had gone about two or three miles before

1322
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: the engine shut down. That was, that was probably roughly

1323
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: fifty miles short of their destination of Tokalau. Yeah, I know,

1324
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: I know. So the league had probably started about nine

1325
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: pm or so on the second night of the trip. Yeah,

1326
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: so I guess the thing like, okay, and I have

1327
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: been really pushing against doing this all night, this whole Like, well,

1328
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: I lived on a ship for six months, so I

1329
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: know everything resident collection, I am. But one of the things,

1330
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know in situations like this

1331
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: how long the sixteen crew members had been with this

1332
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: ship or how often they did this run or anything

1333
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,480
Speaker 1: like that. You know, we did a run fairly frequently,

1334
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: and one of the things within the first week they

1335
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: drill into your brain is like, assuming we're going at

1336
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: our normal speed, this is about where we are at

1337
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: any given time, and in your cabin you have a

1338
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: little map of that. So if you wake up and

1339
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: the ship isn't moving and like for whatever reason, the

1340
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: it's a it's a huge ship, right, it's not like

1341
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: this is going to happen to me, like definitely not

1342
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: part of the captain's circle. You know, I don't work

1343
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: on the bridge anything like that. But if like the

1344
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: first mate woke up and was like, wow, that's super weird,

1345
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: we're not moving anymore and walked onto the bridge and

1346
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: mysteriously everybody was dead or something, you know, super suspension

1347
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: of disbelief story, that person could say, all right, it's

1348
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: about this time. We are probably about this distance away

1349
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: from the closest land mass. I can know that. So,

1350
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, for me for them to say, well, they

1351
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: were about fifty miles away from their destined nation, assuming

1352
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: that they had done this run a couple of times,

1353
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: the thing that gets me is that, like they were

1354
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: super like fifty miles away from your destination is like

1355
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: close enough to abandon ship and paddle your way over there, certainly. Yeah,

1356
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: And that's uh, you know, definitely is. And that's the

1357
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: thing that like again, you know, like I don't know

1358
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: how strong the currents were in that neighborhood, sure of course,

1359
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: but and and that's the other thing, is that just

1360
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: that it would be like hopefully the crew would know that, right, So,

1361
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: like in the situation that a captain had had something

1362
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: horrible happened to him, or first mate, or a bunch

1363
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: of the crew had had something horrible has happened to them,

1364
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: if even one of the crew members had survived whatever

1365
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: horrible thing happened, that they would know, Okay, we're only

1366
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,520
Speaker 1: fifty fifty miles out, you've got a compass and some paddles,

1367
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: let's go. There's no reason, like, there's no reason they

1368
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 1: couldn't have taken some of that cloths for that makeshift

1369
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: on ing over the that they could have, right, absolutely,

1370
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: So you know that's my thing with the like they

1371
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: were really close. Yeah, they were close there close. So

1372
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: there was an inquiry, an official maritime inquiry to the

1373
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: whole thing, and their conclusion was that the fact that

1374
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: the passengers and crew were gone was quote inexplicable unquote.

1375
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: The life rafts and the dinghy were missing. But it

1376
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense, and it was obvious to the

1377
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: people that did this inquiry that it made no sense

1378
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: to abandoned ship given that it was unsinkable. And I

1379
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: know for me, I mean, before I abandoned ship and

1380
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: got into a lifeboat, it would have to be a

1381
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: lot lower in the water than the joy it was.

1382
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: I go back to my well, we were just talking about, right,

1383
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: and then like it's drilled into your head that like

1384
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: the only time that you leave a ship is when

1385
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: you are one sure that that ship is thinking. It

1386
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: got to be like the water, which has then got

1387
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: to be based upon the knowledge of the people who

1388
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: were involved, which I think is where Jove's going to go.

1389
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,879
Speaker 1: I hope, because I know that that's part of the theories.

1390
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: That's one of the theories. Yeah, one of the theories

1391
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: is that I'll just go through the series theories now,

1392
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: and this is one of the one popular theory is

1393
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: that the captain down theory, which means that he was

1394
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: disabled or dead. This theory goes that he was aware

1395
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: that it couldn't sink, so he would have told the

1396
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: passengers that there was no danger and everybody would stayed

1397
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: on board. So the theory is that he must have

1398
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: been incapacitated and people panicked and took to the life

1399
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: raster because he was incapacitated. Uh. And as they're very

1400
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: in this series there so there was a rumor that

1401
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: there was tension between the captain and his first mate,

1402
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: and so in this series they had a fight and

1403
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: one or both fell overboard and they rushed the cruise

1404
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: in the crew of the passengers took to the lifeboats.

1405
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: I think you're probably going here, but like, there's no

1406
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: way that those were the only two people on the

1407
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: ship who knew that about the well exactly of course,

1408
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know, at least the first mate and

1409
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: probably at least several of the members of the crew

1410
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: were aware that of all the cork on board, the

1411
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: cedar planking, the eight barrels, I mean, And so even

1412
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: if the captain was down, uh, and you know, they

1413
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: still wouldn't know the boat's not going to sink. And secondly,

1414
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: as I said, no sensible person would abandon ship until

1415
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: it's absolutely for sure about to go under. That would

1416
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: be that would be my criteria. Another popular theory at

1417
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: the time was that the Japanese did it. There are

1418
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: two various on this. One. One is that hate this theory.

1419
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: This is so bad. Yeah, that's lame. It's it's pretty lame.

1420
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: They were passing into the joy that was paid, passed

1421
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: through a Japanese fishing fleet. They saw something they weren't

1422
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: supposed to see and apparrently so that everybody was murdered.

1423
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know what they were not supposed to see.

1424
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they were using the illegal lure. I don't know,

1425
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: but this is like and they quoted this is from

1426
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: the Fiji Times and Herald. They said that this was

1427
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: from a then quote unquote impeccable source. But uh, they

1428
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: produced no further evidence, so that well there was there was,

1429
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: and there was further ado about this when something about

1430
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: some Japanese knives were found on the boat. Yeah, yeah,

1431
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: they found below decks in the boat, they found some knives.

1432
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: They were stamp made in Japan. Of course, if they

1433
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: said made in Japan and English, that means they were

1434
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: made for exports to English speaking countries. Japanese people are

1435
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: going to be carrying them. Another area is that they

1436
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: were like there was Japanese soldiers who were on some

1437
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: island or another who wasn't weren't aware that the war

1438
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: it ended, so they were so they went out in

1439
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: a boat and just bushwacked people and randomly killed them.

1440
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: And yep, yeah, continuing ef Yeah, but of course the

1441
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: problem with this is there it seems like there would

1442
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people in the area who

1443
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: disappearing that didn't happen. Another there, let's move right along, Ivan,

1444
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: good old Ivan. The Ruskies. Yeah, that's right. They were

1445
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 1: abducted by the crew of the Soviet sub That's outlandish.

1446
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: Do you want to go further into that theory, because

1447
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: we've we've debated being abducted by a crew of a

1448
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: submarine in multiple stories. We have done that, and I

1449
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 1: I we've we've never found any of our favorite theories.

1450
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: Even that's fun, it's one of our funnest But I

1451
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: think we might have literally chewed the fat off the

1452
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: bone on that. Well. Yeah, but then why submarine cruise

1453
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: with Why to go around abducting crowds of people is

1454
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: beyond me because crowded boat, Yeah exactly, I don't think So. Okay,

1455
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: next theory, pirates they that took all the valuables, or

1456
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: possibly they came on board and put everybody in the

1457
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: life rafts and says sayonara, and then they took off

1458
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: with the boat, which they didn't know what the time was,

1459
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: taking on water and then broke away. Yeah, but yeah,

1460
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: I bet you know. And the reason that people are

1461
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: taking this is because four tons of cargo was missing.

1462
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: And they'll say what four tons? If it was if

1463
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: it was a medical supplies, a timber or what was,

1464
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: or if it was the containers that were empty. I

1465
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: don't know why anybody take those, but but I can

1466
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: see if the boat is listing and the hatch pops open,

1467
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: they didn't pop out and float away. Yeah, just see

1468
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: floating away. It depends on else how well secured they were.

1469
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: And then you know, SpongeBob SquarePants is going I got

1470
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: a container. Yeah, but those things didn't. I mean, any

1471
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: of those things aren't gonna wait four tons, so they're

1472
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: not gonna wait much of anything. I'm just saying that

1473
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: these things in general may have come out. So they

1474
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: might have actually, but you know, it just it just

1475
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: depends not small there because the boat was listening over

1476
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: far enough that water was actually coming into the top

1477
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: hatch that you used to access the whole of the boat,

1478
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: which as far as I know, it is the only

1479
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: way to access the whole. That's through that's through the decks. See.

1480
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: I didn't look any any kind of drawings of the

1481
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: actual boat. I didn't see those. Yeah, and so the

1482
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: so and large items weren't about to float out through

1483
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: those hatches, but something small could have. I mean, barrels

1484
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: could have, but not that many. Probably again, because so

1485
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: many things were missing, like the guns and you know,

1486
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: the navigational equipment and four tons of cargo, and people

1487
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: immediately went to pirates. And and actually this is not

1488
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: as this doesn't doesn't suck as bad a lot as

1489
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 1: a lot of the other theories. It's possible piracy does exist. Yeah,

1490
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: and so the reason I think that they didn't just like,

1491
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: there's no reason to just kill everybody on the boat.

1492
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 1: If all you want to do is pill take their stuff.

1493
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: Number one. If you wanted to do the more rational

1494
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: things a pirate and take the entire boat, which is

1495
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: what I would do, then you put them all in

1496
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: the life roust. Yeah, you put them all in the

1497
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: life raft and and then you you take off with

1498
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: the boat. Later on we discovered the boat is taking

1499
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: on water. You, of course, being a pirate, you don't

1500
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: know that this boat can't sink. So you radio your

1501
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: buddies in the other boat that brought you there originally,

1502
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: you meet, you get off, you take what you can,

1503
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: and if you take off believing the boat is going

1504
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: to sink, which it didn't do, the steak and would.

1505
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: A stick in the heart of this series is that

1506
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: the radio was tuned to the stress channel, So if

1507
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: they were using it to communicate with their buddies in

1508
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: the other boat, it would have been tuned to a

1509
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: different channel. Yeah, so they couldn't have taken the radios.

1510
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, I don't know if hand radios are that

1511
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: common back in those days. Yeah, yeah, so, and so

1512
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 1: that's why I think, I mean, I could be wrong.

1513
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: They could have had other methods of signaling their buddies too.

1514
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: But what else we have here in terms of these, uh,

1515
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: these fun theories. Another fun theory Insurance FRAU Captain Dusty

1516
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 1: Miller had serious debts because he had several failed fishing

1517
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: expeditions and that left him in debt. But he didn't

1518
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: he didn't know on the boat, did he didn't know

1519
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: the boat he was leasing the boat. Yeah, so that's dumb,

1520
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: but that explains why he was taking on passengers, because

1521
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: he was trying to get as much money as he

1522
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: could out of every run. Yeah, and I believe that

1523
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: the inquiry that you talked about had found that he

1524
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: had lost or let laps license to have passengers on

1525
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the boat. Yeah. They actually found quite a bit of

1526
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: fault with him for the condition of his lot of

1527
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: version of like a firefly kind of yeah, yeah, okay,

1528
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: but but yeah, so he didn't on the boat. He

1529
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: knew the boat couldn't sink, for God's sakes, So if

1530
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: he'd wanted to like turn into claim for insurance, he

1531
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: would have lit it on fire. He wouldn't have done

1532
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: it with twenty four other people on the boat, did, Okay.

1533
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: I swear that I've seen somewhere talk of the fact

1534
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: that the sea cocks were open, were open, and that's

1535
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: say that I've seen theories that the that they were

1536
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: going to scuttle it in the sea cocks were open

1537
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: for insurance reasons. But I don't remember in there officially

1538
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: inquiry anything about that. So the sea cocks were never open.

1539
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: They discovered that which would be stupid because the thing

1540
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: still wouldn't sink well exactly, so it makes it, like

1541
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: I said, he would have torched it trying to sink it.

1542
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: That would have been the obvious thing to do, alright, alright,

1543
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: so don't want that one onto the next one. Mutiname.

1544
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: So in this theory, the boat encountered heavy weather, the

1545
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: crew wanted to turn around. The captain refused because he

1546
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, again, he was in desperate for cash. He

1547
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to lose any money, so he wanted to

1548
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 1: keep on going. And also if they were actually truly

1549
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: within fifty fifty miles of their destination, then there's no

1550
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: there's no same reason to turn around rather than just

1551
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: continuing to go. Yeah, that doesn't make sense, but that's

1552
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: one that So the crew, when when he wouldn't turn around,

1553
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: the mutiny, and there was there was blows were traded,

1554
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: the captain was either killed or knocked unconscious right about

1555
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: the end of starboard, engine stopped running, and everybody took

1556
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 1: off for the life boat because remembered, only the captain

1557
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: knew that the boat was unsinkable, right, yeah, and taking

1558
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: the captain and of course the navigational equipment which you need.

1559
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna be floating a life boat. So the abandoned

1560
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: ship in heavy seas I I eat storms to take

1561
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: to a bunch of flimsy life rafts, which doesn't make

1562
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Yeah, so, and it doesn't make

1563
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: sense that the crew would be wanting to turn around

1564
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: when they were that close to their destination. Alright, So

1565
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 1: we put that one and put that theory to rest.

1566
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: About the only one that's held any water so far

1567
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 1: has been the pirate one, and the pirate I'm afraid,

1568
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: I really I hate the pirate theory, but it really

1569
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: is the only one that makes sense that we can

1570
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more. Another theory is this is mine.

1571
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 1: That they didn't abandoned ship, at least not right away.

1572
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: So because they had food on board, they're part of

1573
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: their cargo was food for for the the boat had behind.

1574
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Besides the three thousand gallon diesel fuel tank or tanks,

1575
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: had also had twenty five gallons gallons of water. Of course,

1576
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: we don't know that that tank was completely full. It

1577
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: might have been full and left, but it should have

1578
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: had a substantial amount of water. Yeah, it should have

1579
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: had a fair amount of that. So they the official inquiry,

1580
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: and I I'm so sorry I was not able to

1581
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: get a copy of this because it would have been

1582
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: nice to get that information. But they mentioned the amount

1583
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: of fuel left in the in the tanks, but they

1584
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 1: don't say how much water was left in the water

1585
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: tank water, or nor do they say how much black

1586
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: water well exactly exactly, So if the if the water

1587
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: tank was empty, that would be a big clue. What

1588
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: that would mean is that they stayed with the boat

1589
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: until they ran out of water. And if the black

1590
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: water tank was all full of well, you know what,

1591
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: then it was all all full then uh. And I

1592
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: don't know what boats in those days did. I assume

1593
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: they had black water tanks and then didn't just flush

1594
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: it directly. And the other problem is is that if

1595
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 1: if the batteries dead, I've been on how did you

1596
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 1: say a house boat and I pushed the knob and

1597
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: I hear the electric pump turn on and it spits

1598
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: out water. But if that's not going, how do I

1599
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: get the water out of the big holding tank? Well,

1600
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 1: that's that's a question, you know. I mean, I would

1601
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: assume that they had some sort of pump like manual

1602
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: pump back up for that, but of course you're know,

1603
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: given the state of the boat, maybe not, maybe that

1604
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: wasn't working. And I guess, since this is your theory,

1605
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: do you have an explanation for the list? The list? Uh? Yeah,

1606
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Actually I think that it is possible, quite possible that

1607
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 1: the crew actually induced the list on their own because

1608
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: the starboard engine, remember, is the one they needed to

1609
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: get running again, and so it's a portside list. So

1610
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: how would you induce the list? Well, you remove say

1611
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: four times of cargo from the starboard side of the

1612
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: ship and throw it overboard, and you're both starting to

1613
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,759
Speaker 1: get something out of trying to pull the starboard engine

1614
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: out of the water or whatever. Yeah, apparently makes sense

1615
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: to me. Actually, it's a lot of sense. It's yeah, logical. Yeah.

1616
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: So anyway, apparently they didn't succeed, because they had, they

1617
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 1: would have immediately hooked up that auxiliary pump that they

1618
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: had rigged up ready to go. It still doesn't explain

1619
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: why they left, because even if you run out of

1620
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: food and run out of water, you're still better off

1621
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: on the big boat than being on a life raft.

1622
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Your profile is higher, you're more likely to be spotted,

1623
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: You're you've got shelter from the elements, which you don't

1624
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: really have on a raft. So the only reason I

1625
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: can think of that they would they would leave if

1626
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: they if they spotted an island and they weren't too

1627
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: far away from they might have decided to make a

1628
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: break forth they're all out of food and water, or

1629
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 1: if they're really low on that stuff. If you go

1630
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: to an island, at least there's going to be like

1631
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: birds and fish that you can kill and eat and

1632
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, they didn't abandon the boat

1633
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: because they thought the boat was going to sink. They

1634
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: might have abandoned the boat because they were they were

1635
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: starving and out of water, and if figured you know,

1636
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: and it was what you correct me if I'm wrong.

1637
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: It was five weeks after they went missing, was found

1638
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: twenty five people. How much how much does the average

1639
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: person drink? About a gallon a day? A gallon a day.

1640
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: You don't need a gallon a day to survive though, okay,

1641
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: but about a gallon a day the average person drinks.

1642
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: So that's twenty five a day by five weeks comes

1643
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: out how many days five let's say so le's let's

1644
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: just same. They're drinking a full gallon, So that's that's

1645
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: twenty five by five weeks, which is thirty five that

1646
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: nobody knows what that number is. Well, let's say if

1647
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:44,919
Speaker 1: it was gallon tank right, undred right, assuming it was full,

1648
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: that means that they had ten days of drinking water,

1649
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: assuming they drink gallon a day, Yeah, would have a

1650
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: hundred days. Hundred gallons by twenty five people is a

1651
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: hundred gallons hundred gallons per persons per person, which means

1652
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: they could have theoretically gone a hundred days if the

1653
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: tank was full and the drinking a gallon and yeah,

1654
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: and and of course you know the tank was probably

1655
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: not full, probably wasn't full. At half full, it's fifty days.

1656
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: At a quarter full, it's twenty five days. So we're

1657
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 1: now running into that gray area of let's say it

1658
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,839
Speaker 1: was half or a quarter full when they left board.

1659
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 1: That would explain why they were out of water and

1660
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: would have wanted to leave because they had nothing left.

1661
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: But then again, if you're on a boat boats, and

1662
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 1: we talked about this before, there's tons of plastics, so

1663
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: you would think that you could use evaporation to make drinkable,

1664
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: potable water, But who knows what the circumstance was we're

1665
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: also assuming that, you know, the nine passengers didn't get

1666
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: sea sick, and there wasn't any kind of going not anything,

1667
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: you know, And that's a fairly large assumption as well. Yeah,

1668
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: and so it would have been other uses for the water.

1669
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Obviously you're gonna need to use a little bit of

1670
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 1: water to wash up occasionally and things like that if

1671
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 1: you do get sea sickondy bar, if you're gonna want

1672
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: to wash your face, probably rench your mouth out, so

1673
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: you need to be hydrated more. Yeah. I have no

1674
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: idea if after the search, after the discovery of this,

1675
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: if they went along and check that checked on Wikipedia.

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Speaker 1: Then in the South Pacific there are roughly twenty islands

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Speaker 1: in there, you know, a lot of them just specs

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01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: like the islands that we've been talking about there. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody thought to go back and

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Speaker 1: check any small islands that were sortable on the course

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Speaker 1: of bones. Yeah, exactly, exactly, but I think they probably

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01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: made a break for an island. Yeah. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with all of these

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Speaker 1: stories is that they they's just very little information apart

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01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: from the start and to finish to really know what's

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Speaker 1: going on well. As always, ladies and gentlemen, all of

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Speaker 1: our shows and all of the links to the stories

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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about tonight, as with all episodes

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Speaker 1: go ahead and pull that from Stitcher. You can listen

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff on Facebook. We've got the group as

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01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: discuss and the interesting things that we find. You have

1704
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: a theory for us that we've forgot, or you've got

1705
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: thought or comments. We've got a lot of great feedback lately.

1706
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,519
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1707
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1708
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. And by

1709
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the way, if you are one of the passengers on

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01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 1: the joy They or one of the crew, we'd like

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01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: to hear from you. We'd love to hear from you,

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01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: or the Sarah Joe or the random boat that we

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01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: don't know the name of Buve Island. Yeah, if you're

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01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: a resident Bouve Island, which is inhospitable to anything but

1715
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: see elephants, please let us know. Well that having been said,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Uh, this short has gone on a

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Speaker 1: little longer than a short, so we're gonna go ahead,

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Speaker 1: and yet we've got long shorts, so we're gonna go ahead,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna sign this one off. Thanks again for

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Speaker 1: taking the time to listen, and we will talk to

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Speaker 1: you next week. Everybody, hie, guys,