Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed? It's spooky,
Speaker 1: Hey jooky. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming its way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, how I said? Hi, Ross dress? Hey boo,
Speaker 1: it's me Rod's dressful as if you celebrate Christmas. I
Speaker 1: hope you had a wonderful time yesterday. I thought it
Speaker 1: would be fun just to do a little bit more
Speaker 1: ask me anything questions that I posted a while ago.
Speaker 1: I enjoy answering these questions, so let's see what I
Speaker 1: can find that I have not answered already. First question
Speaker 1: that was posted in the Facebook group is was there
Speaker 1: a specific moment that inspired the creation of your podcast?
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's been many moments, and again, I've
Speaker 1: had so many paranormal experiences, and I think that what
Speaker 1: happened was I just got really sick of inappropriately just
Speaker 1: asking people have you ever seen a ghost at like,
Speaker 1: you know, regular like at a holiday party, for example,
Speaker 1: and people are like, why are we talking about ghosts
Speaker 1: right now? That's so random? So I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I should just make this into a podcast and then
Speaker 1: people will know exactly, you know, I'll create a space
Speaker 1: for me to talk about that without being like that
Speaker 1: weird ghost Person. What's my favorite horror movie? I have
Speaker 1: so many I might have answered this question already, but
Speaker 1: I do have a suggestion. If you're looking for a
Speaker 1: horror movie in this winter Hondiday season, I would like
Speaker 1: to recommend Black Christmas I the original. It's not even
Speaker 1: though we're after Christmas. Technically, it's not really that much
Speaker 1: of a Christmas y Christmas y movie, and it's also
Speaker 1: not paranormal. But it is a spooky wintertime, Christmas time movie.
Speaker 1: So lock yourself up with some agnog and watch some
Speaker 1: college kids get murdered. What story sticks out in my
Speaker 1: mind is the scariest, most chilling, Honestly, Gunner death Ridge
Speaker 1: talking about the cult that somehow got into his dream.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know what I'm talking about, listen
Speaker 1: to that one. That one is unlike anything I've ever heard,
Speaker 1: and it truly wakes me up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night thinking about when will I be coming back
Speaker 1: to San Francisco for a show, ghost Hunt or possible
Speaker 1: live taping slash event. I want to go to San
Speaker 1: Francisco so bad to do a live show, and I
Speaker 1: promise you I'm working on it. I have been making
Speaker 1: phone calls and sending emails. It's just I'm looking for
Speaker 1: a haunted place to do a show that can accommodate people.
Speaker 1: And I have a couple of leads. I have a
Speaker 1: couple of places that I've reached out to that I
Speaker 1: think would be perfect. But you know, I could do
Speaker 1: it at a couple of places that aren't necessarily allegedly haunted.
Speaker 1: But I have found one place in particular that is
Speaker 1: super haunted apparently and has a great backstory and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I've talked to a good psychic friend
Speaker 1: of mine that wants to go up there and do
Speaker 1: a kind of a ghost hunt live show. So I'm
Speaker 1: working on it. I promise you that what's your dream
Speaker 1: city to visit? Bartholona, Spain. I want to go so bad.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get on with this show. I wanted
Speaker 1: to get spooky, and there's not many people that are
Speaker 1: much spookier than my guest. Today. We have got Vander
Speaker 1: von Aud in the studio and Vander actually won Dragula,
Speaker 1: which is a spooky drag competition. Vander won the first season.
Speaker 1: And you know, I like to reach out to a
Speaker 1: lot of friends of mine and and find out if
Speaker 1: they have ghost stories and I think it would be
Speaker 1: fun to have them on. And I was like, have
Speaker 1: you ever had a ghost story? And they're like no,
Speaker 1: like not really, but you know, I'm kind of skeptical
Speaker 1: about it. Well, it turns out Vander's another one of
Speaker 1: those people that has had a couple of spooky things
Speaker 1: happen to them. So don't you worry it's gonna get creepy.
Speaker 1: Here's my interview with Vander von Od. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I am joined by a true spooky queen, Vander von Odd.
Speaker 1: Hi Vander. People tell me people aren't constantly saying to
Speaker 1: me ever since I started doing this podcast in January.
Speaker 1: The people are always like, oh, you're like the queen
Speaker 1: of spooky, and I'm like, no, no, no, I always
Speaker 1: refer them to Vander von Odd.
Speaker 2: Oh but the spooky comes from within. But thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: I think with me, there's always a misconception that I
Speaker 1: love spooking. Well I do. I do love spookiness, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, you would never look at me and be
Speaker 1: like spooky, Like I'm Marilyn Monster, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: don't look spooky, but I'm around the spooky. I'm very
Speaker 1: spooky adjacent, but like you are a spooky bitch.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like I live it, I breathe, and I
Speaker 2: wear it, I present it. But really it's kind of
Speaker 2: like it's like punk. Like punk, you don't, you don't
Speaker 2: just wear it, it's like you live. It's a lifestyle,
Speaker 2: it's it's a way of navigating the world.
Speaker 1: Totally. Well, I'm I'm truly. One of the great honors
Speaker 1: of my life. Happened about ten minutes ago. I opened
Speaker 1: the front door and you weren't expecting it, and I
Speaker 1: saw a genuine little spook in your eye.
Speaker 2: I know, fuck you spooky, unspook. I always say I'm
Speaker 2: not unspookable, but like no one, no one, absolutely no
Speaker 2: one is unspookable. But I'm really really hard to scare.
Speaker 2: And you did startle me because I did. Like the
Speaker 2: door is just like opened as I was about to knock.
Speaker 2: So congrats, you are one of maybe three people on
Speaker 2: the fucking planet.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what's funny is that I never
Speaker 1: think of myself as being spooky, but I forget how
Speaker 1: jarring it can be when like I've done gigs, well
Speaker 1: I've done gigs in libraries for example, where nobody has
Speaker 1: four foot tall wigs on and ten inch heels on,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're just like hello, So
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm used to it.
Speaker 2: God, you know, God bless drag. If there's anything that
Speaker 2: can terrify anyone, if there's anything scarier than anything that
Speaker 2: will ever be on this podcast, it's a bit in
Speaker 2: a wig, like a piled wig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the next morning if you ever fall asleep
Speaker 1: in it and you wake up the next day with
Speaker 1: glitter in your eyeballs and not a cute look, Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, hold up, what does scare you?
Speaker 2: You know what? The bulk of what scares me would
Speaker 2: usually be things that can physically harm me, like like
Speaker 2: home intrusion or getting like k mocked on the street.
Speaker 2: Like if something can physically uh put me in danger,
Speaker 2: that that that's actually really scary. So like, I'm not
Speaker 2: really scared by horror films or anything like that, But
Speaker 2: the films that do unnerve me are usually films about stalkers,
Speaker 2: like home invasion, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's something that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't think about when you have you know,
Speaker 1: especially nowadays, like even just being on Instagram, you have
Speaker 1: so many people that are strangers that kind of can
Speaker 1: track you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think about.
Speaker 1: It every day.
Speaker 2: It's crazy and like I was, like, I was on
Speaker 2: a show called Dragula. It gave me like a following,
Speaker 2: and since that, it's also been strange having just people
Speaker 2: recognize you on the street and really weird things will happen,
Speaker 2: like I went to Disneyland, you know, last week, and
Speaker 2: a friend send me photos of someone that was taking
Speaker 2: pictures of me at the park, you know, things like that.
Speaker 2: Or I'll like, I'll get in from a show and
Speaker 2: fans will send me photos of them taking pictures of
Speaker 2: me at the airport like things like that. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I yeah, I have a friend that's famous and
Speaker 1: we were out to eat and this person was taking
Speaker 1: pictures of the food and was like, oh, I'll post
Speaker 1: that later And I was like why, like you just
Speaker 1: post it now like whatever, and this person was like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want people to know that I'm at this
Speaker 1: restaurant right now. I never thought about that.
Speaker 2: See that's yeah, I'm not I'm not quite like famous famous,
Speaker 2: but I say I have friends who will be like, hey, like,
Speaker 2: don't don't post anything while we're here for the same reason.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. But what about the paranormal? I mean,
Speaker 1: are you scared of demons? Do you believe in that stuff?
Speaker 2: You know what? This is a great moment for the
Speaker 2: for the disclaimer. So I'm very skeptical, but I'm I
Speaker 2: think a part of me, a really large part of me,
Speaker 2: really really wants to believe. So the best way I
Speaker 2: can answer that question when people ask me is I
Speaker 2: can't say that I believe, but I I can't say
Speaker 2: that I one hundred percent don't believe, or that I
Speaker 2: don't want to believe. I think I'm just always open
Speaker 2: to possibility, and I love the idea of possibility. And
Speaker 2: I've had my own experiences and I may not fully
Speaker 2: believe them, but I don't also discard them as you know,
Speaker 2: coincidence or you know, just that you know it's I'm
Speaker 2: I I want to believe in the possibility that, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever things happened to me may have been real, you know,
Speaker 2: and I hope they were real.
Speaker 1: Would you seek it out? Would you ever go go, oh.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Oh my god. I used to work in
Speaker 2: before I did drag and before I was a filmmaker.
Speaker 2: I did haunted houses professionally, and I did these in Mexico,
Speaker 2: and in Mexico they're very different from the haunts in
Speaker 2: North America. We're not set up in like a sound
Speaker 2: stage or like a warehouse where we build a set.
Speaker 2: We would seek out real buildings and we would rent
Speaker 2: real buildings with real history, and I would have to
Speaker 2: work in them, you know, for hours and hours, for weeks,
Speaker 2: for months.
Speaker 1: Like actual paranormal yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, like like
Speaker 1: really really old, but like buildings that were sometimes over
Speaker 1: like sixty seventy eighty years old, that had a lot
Speaker 1: of history, and I would have to work in them,
Speaker 1: sometimes alone at night, and again this was for weeks
Speaker 1: and months.
Speaker 2: So I've always put myself in a lot of situations
Speaker 2: where I kind of opened myself up to that sort
Speaker 2: of thing because I've always loved it so much.
Speaker 1: But did nothing ever happened or what?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I can never say, you know,
Speaker 2: it did or it didn't happen. But I have experiences
Speaker 2: that were very very unnerving that I'd be more than
Speaker 2: happy to share, and I hope that they were real. Well,
Speaker 2: there was a specific, a specific building, so I worked
Speaker 2: as a creative director for entertainment and entertainment company called
Speaker 2: Find a Story Entertainment that's based in Mehikaia, California. And
Speaker 2: that's who I did all Find a Story Entertainment from Mexik, califn.
Speaker 1: A journey around the world.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just five hours south to the border to
Speaker 2: the desert to the shit town I grew up in.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was the entertainment company that I did
Speaker 2: haunts with, and I did them for many years. And
Speaker 2: there was of all the buildings we worked and there
Speaker 2: was a specific building that they still occasionally use, and
Speaker 2: it was called Misragon and it was like the Dragon
Speaker 2: Mission mission, meaning almost like a like a holy mission
Speaker 2: then you know, like a like a like a monastery
Speaker 2: kind of situation. And it was a massive almost like
Speaker 2: I would almost say luxury like Chinese restaurant that had
Speaker 2: been abandoned like in the seventies. Uh, And so we
Speaker 2: took up that space to set up a haunt and uh,
Speaker 2: it was I don't know why it was designed to
Speaker 2: look like a monastery. It wasn't a real monastery, but
Speaker 2: it had that look. It had these jo like massive
Speaker 2: heavy wooden doors that you had to get through in
Speaker 2: this like path that was like brick and like uh
Speaker 2: Chinese letters and dragons and all these things they had
Speaker 2: to walk down to to get to the actual building.
Speaker 2: And mind you, this was all like overgrown and like
Speaker 2: falling apart in like a kind of lonelier part of
Speaker 2: the city. And when I first worked there, there was
Speaker 2: one specific room that always made me very uncomfortable. And
Speaker 2: I've been in so many abandoned buildings, I've been in
Speaker 2: so many old buildings, I've never felt how I felt
Speaker 2: in that room anytime before that or anytime after, and
Speaker 2: it feel it was just this really intense feeling of dread.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't I mean, it was fear. It
Speaker 2: was a lot of fear, but more than fear, it
Speaker 2: was just like the best way I can describe it,
Speaker 2: even as someone who doesn't necessarily wholeheartedly believe in the paranormal,
Speaker 2: it just felt like really really awful things that happened there,
Speaker 2: and it was this feeling of like sadness and dread,
Speaker 2: and just like I didn't I just never ever wanted
Speaker 2: to be in that room because it just made me
Speaker 2: feel so disgusting, and it was in the back of
Speaker 2: you know, you know, there was like the dining area
Speaker 2: of the of the restaurant, and then all the kitchens,
Speaker 2: and then all the back rooms, and then all the
Speaker 2: way at the back of the building was this small room.
Speaker 2: And it's what I thought was a chicken pen when
Speaker 2: we first got there, because when I first worked in
Speaker 2: the building, find a story had already been there for
Speaker 2: like a year. But when when I went in, they
Speaker 2: had put chicken wire over all of the railing. It
Speaker 2: was essentially a jail.
Speaker 1: Cell for chickens.
Speaker 2: I thought, because they put chicken wire over it, over
Speaker 2: the bars.
Speaker 1: They got chicken got up in there.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I went, those poor chickens. How many beheadings?
Speaker 2: How many beheadings happened in that room? No, I thought
Speaker 2: it was a chicken pen. It was an actual jail cell,
Speaker 2: which I later found out it was a jail cell.
Speaker 2: And when I went there was just an empty room
Speaker 2: with the iron bars and chicken wire all over it.
Speaker 2: So I saw chicken wire. It was a restaurant, a
Speaker 2: Chinese restaurant. I thought like, oh, like they had live
Speaker 2: animals or livestock or something here. Yeah, but no, there
Speaker 2: was there was a toilet that had been removed and
Speaker 2: they had just covered the bars with with chicken wire.
Speaker 2: And first of all, what's a jail cell doing in a.
Speaker 1: Restaurant, in a Chinese restaurant, in.
Speaker 2: A Chinese restaurant. And more so, it was the dingiest,
Speaker 2: smallest little cell. Like the toilet was really just like
Speaker 2: this kind of wooden like thing that was in the
Speaker 2: floor with a hole in it. Like it wasn't a
Speaker 2: proper toilet, you know, And so I always wonder like
Speaker 2: why that was even there. But basically in Mexia, California,
Speaker 2: where this happened, there was, oh my god, there was
Speaker 2: a massive, massive community of Chinese immigrants that moved there
Speaker 2: throughout like the forties and fifties, and so that's why
Speaker 2: this restaurant was set up there and as well as
Speaker 2: many other like that city is kind of well known
Speaker 2: for their kind of hybrid you know. It was like
Speaker 2: Chinese food designed for Mexicans essentially, but we're kind of
Speaker 2: we're kind of known for it throughout Mexico because such
Speaker 2: a large community of immigrants lived there. And there was
Speaker 2: this other room that shared a wall with the jail cell,
Speaker 2: which was the room that I worked, and it was
Speaker 2: where I had like a character in a scene and
Speaker 2: it was a small room. It was all brick, really
Speaker 2: low ceiling, no windows, only one door to get in,
Speaker 2: and towards the back of the room it was lined
Speaker 2: with these like large shelves, like wall to wall shelves
Speaker 2: ceiling to floor, and we play. We put like a
Speaker 2: mirror up on the shelves, and there was a well,
Speaker 2: or like not a well, it was like an opening
Speaker 2: to the underground of the building. But we were never
Speaker 2: allowed in there because it was it was so old
Speaker 2: and it apparently it was like a really really deep.
Speaker 1: Cellar, so we weren't dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why we never ever went in. And it
Speaker 2: was the closure was made out of like cement, so
Speaker 2: like you needed multiple people to even lift it. So
Speaker 2: I never went in there. But there was like an
Speaker 2: underground portion and on top of that, like some that
Speaker 2: cement block that was blocking the entrance to the cellar.
Speaker 2: They built a wooden box that was meant to be
Speaker 2: like a music box for this specific scene. So there
Speaker 2: was a music box, this really ornate mirror placed on
Speaker 2: top of the shelves to the back, and then the
Speaker 2: audience would stand on the opposite wall looking towards the
Speaker 2: shelves the mirror in the box, and I would do
Speaker 2: my scene there every night, and uh, I think one
Speaker 2: night it was it was like a group of my cousins.
Speaker 2: And then another night a group of friends went to
Speaker 2: the haunt and both groups, who neither of them know
Speaker 2: each other, later would would I would ask them like, oh,
Speaker 2: what did you think? What was it? Blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, my god, your room was
Speaker 2: like the scariest love this will love that. And they
Speaker 2: were and they said, both groups said this, they said,
Speaker 2: and the bodies on the walls were so creepy. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and the thing was the room was only lit
Speaker 2: by a strobe, uh, and the shelves on the walls
Speaker 2: would cast a lot of shadows and things. So I
Speaker 2: always am I when when both groups told me, is
Speaker 2: I just saw like, oh, like, you know, the shells
Speaker 2: must just be casting a shadow on the wall behind
Speaker 2: them kind of situation. You know, it's a strobe in
Speaker 2: a dark room. It's so easy to see gnarly shadows.
Speaker 2: And you know, and and when people are like in
Speaker 2: a haunt and they're scared already, you know, naturally they're
Speaker 2: going to find things in the shadows, so I kind
Speaker 2: of brushed it off and thought of it as whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, both groups said, you know, the the bodies
Speaker 2: on the walls, which were the you know, the ones
Speaker 2: on you know, on the on the shelf side where
Speaker 2: they were facing where I was standing, so cut too,
Speaker 2: and a lot of other people had experiences. I can't
Speaker 2: remember much, but kind of like the typical like, oh
Speaker 2: I felt someone touch me or breathe. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that sort of experience. But sometime later in the season,
Speaker 2: in the same season, when I was still working in
Speaker 2: this room, I talked to the producer of Maddi's Rubio,
Speaker 2: who's still a very very good friend of mine who
Speaker 2: I still work with, and I started asking her just
Speaker 2: about the building, because she had been working in it
Speaker 2: for a year already, and she started telling me about
Speaker 2: when she arrived, when she found the building, and when
Speaker 2: she decided to rent it for this hunt, and telling
Speaker 2: me about it, and she started sharing all these like
Speaker 2: really unerving things about you know, now it makes sense
Speaker 2: what happened there. But she said, you know, when we
Speaker 2: found the building, we walked into the restaurant. It had
Speaker 2: been abandoned for twenty plus years at this point, we
Speaker 2: went into like the dining room area, and there was
Speaker 2: like remnants of what was rotting food on the plates
Speaker 2: where people were sitting, and.
Speaker 1: So twenty year rotting food.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So her take is that for whatever reason, they
Speaker 2: had to vacate the building quickly, and that's why it
Speaker 2: was closed up. So like people were dining when they
Speaker 2: were asked to leave and the building was sealed up
Speaker 2: because there was still food on the plates. There was
Speaker 2: like cards and trades. Well it guess better, okay, So uh,
Speaker 2: they started like diving deeper into the building and seeing
Speaker 2: the different rooms and seeing what was inside them. So
Speaker 2: apparently the place was vacated like instantly, you know, in
Speaker 2: a second. So everything was never a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So things were just like dropped and left where they were.
Speaker 2: So they found like the jail cell in the back,
Speaker 2: they found like clothes, like people's items, and then in
Speaker 2: an office room in this like closet space, they found
Speaker 2: hundreds of letters written in Chinese that were supposed to
Speaker 2: be delivered to China that were never sent. So my
Speaker 2: guess is that a lot of Chinese immigrants were probably
Speaker 2: forced to work there and were being kept there. So
Speaker 2: I think it was kind of like a slave labor
Speaker 2: situ where people were living in the building. They were
Speaker 2: probably punished in the jail cell if they, you know,
Speaker 2: didn't do what it was asked of them. And all
Speaker 2: these letters that they had tried to probably send to
Speaker 2: like their friends and family back home, were never sent.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I my guess is this building was probably
Speaker 2: condemned because you know, they were they you know, they
Speaker 2: the government whoever, you know, the police discovered what was
Speaker 2: happening on, and the building was was kind of condemned.
Speaker 2: But this is a nerving thing, going back to the
Speaker 2: room with the walls, with the bodies hanging out on
Speaker 2: the walls and the shelves. This was during the season
Speaker 2: when I found out that the building had probably housed
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, slave laborers in the sixties
Speaker 2: and seventies. And I was sitting in the room, and
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the music box, and I was
Speaker 2: facing away from the wall where the audience stands and
Speaker 2: kind of looking at the shelves, which is what they
Speaker 2: see when they're standing in the room. And I was
Speaker 2: looking at the shelves and I was kind of I
Speaker 2: was thinking about everything. The producer had told me, and
Speaker 2: I thought about what these people told me about, like, oh,
Speaker 2: like the bodies on the walls, and then it kind
Speaker 2: of it kind of dawned on me that the shelves
Speaker 2: in the room weren't shelves. They were barracks where people slept.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And so whether they did or didn't see you know,
Speaker 2: bodies on the walls, you know, is up to the
Speaker 2: audience to decide. You know, I won't know because I
Speaker 2: never saw it, but it kind of makes sense that,
Speaker 2: you know, it sounds like they saw people sleeping in barracks.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, what's so interesting is that, like you didn't see them,
Speaker 1: but when it was like action, like go, time lights up,
Speaker 1: there's an audience they like popped out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And it's it's strange because it was
Speaker 2: two different sets of people who were unrelated. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: both saw the same thing. So that left me really innervous.
Speaker 1: That's a ghost. How can how? I don't know how
Speaker 1: anyone could be a skeptic. That is a goes you know.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I worked in haunts for so
Speaker 2: many years, and people get so scared they see all
Speaker 2: kinds of things that aren't there. But it unnerves me
Speaker 2: and it made me. It kind of frightened me, and
Speaker 2: it made me a little sad also because it seemed
Speaker 2: like everything that was, everything that anyone ever saw, always
Speaker 2: went back to just you know, people suffering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of it is a lot
Speaker 1: of the spookiest stuff is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very unnerving, and I've always I forgot
Speaker 2: about it. I was leading up to doing this podcast.
Speaker 2: I remember that I had completely forgotten about about.
Speaker 1: The barracks a good one.
Speaker 2: And they're not there. The barracks were removed some years later,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that was this.
Speaker 1: Does this company still work there at that place?
Speaker 2: It's funny. Last year was the first year that they
Speaker 2: didn't work in that in that space anymore.
Speaker 1: But now being Mexican, do you are you a superstitious person?
Speaker 1: Because I like, there's so many superstitions.
Speaker 2: There's so many superstitions and revolving around Han I learned
Speaker 2: so many of them. I was never superstitious, but I
Speaker 2: worked around very superstitious people, and there were a lot
Speaker 2: of very like one of my favorites, I thought it
Speaker 2: was I don't know, I thought it was kind of beautiful,
Speaker 2: but a lot of actors were encouraged to wear a
Speaker 2: red satin ribbon or tied around their waist in a
Speaker 2: not underneath their costumes. And this was supposed to protect
Speaker 2: you from any sort of negativity, because the thing is, when,
Speaker 2: like you said right now, like when you're acting, when
Speaker 2: you're in a space like that and you're acting, you're
Speaker 2: kind of embodying a lot of the feelings and emotions
Speaker 2: of hate and dread and fear and sadness, and and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of actors believe that that could
Speaker 2: open them up to, you know, kind of like spiritually
Speaker 2: damaging themselves because they're operating and they're working in a
Speaker 2: space where really awful things actually happened. So a lot
Speaker 2: of them would wear a red ribbon, you know, underneath
Speaker 2: their costume. For many years, we had I forget, I
Speaker 2: forget what we used to call it, but there was
Speaker 2: a chant that the audience would have to recite before
Speaker 2: going into the haunt, and they would be taken blindfolded
Speaker 2: into a room and we would have a ton of
Speaker 2: real instruments and there would just be like live, gnarled,
Speaker 2: fucked up music playing and they would be asked to
Speaker 2: recite this poem that you know it was. It's so
Speaker 2: many years ago, I can't but it was somewhere along
Speaker 2: the lines of I respect the space, I respect my body,
Speaker 2: and I respect what happens here, and I won't take
Speaker 2: any of it, you know with me and a lot
Speaker 2: of people, including the actors, felt very protected by that
Speaker 2: and very safe by that, and a lot of actors
Speaker 2: wouldn't really work without, you know, doing some kind of
Speaker 2: kind of chant or poem or something before going into
Speaker 2: the house as a means of like protecting themselves. And
Speaker 2: I always thought that was really that was really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you raised religious at all?
Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic. I looked out my parents weren't
Speaker 2: super religious, but they were. They were Catholic.
Speaker 1: So Catholics are the ones I always believe in ghosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know, I'm telling you I want
Speaker 2: to believe, and you know, maybe I do a little bit,
Speaker 2: or otherwise I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You just need to have a real good you need
Speaker 1: to have a ghost just and.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so open to it. I really I
Speaker 2: wish it would happen, you know what. I think a
Speaker 2: part of me wants to believe so badly because I
Speaker 2: dread the idea of their not being anything after this life.
Speaker 2: I dread the idea, but I think I also believe
Speaker 2: that that's possible as well, and I don't want it
Speaker 2: to be I don't want that to I don't want
Speaker 2: this life, you know, to be it and for it
Speaker 2: to be over and for you know, the rest of
Speaker 2: existence to just be like unconscious darkness. That's that's well, See,
Speaker 2: it's really sad.
Speaker 1: I think you go on to the next one.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion or what I believe. But I also
Speaker 1: think that a lot of times, like you said, ghosts
Speaker 1: are the result of dread and horrific events and unfinished business.
Speaker 1: And I think that if you're lingering around, it's like
Speaker 1: it's sad, you know, if you're still here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is sad. I think for me,
Speaker 2: it's just becomes a testament to it's not over. And
Speaker 2: that's why I just I really really want to believe it.
Speaker 2: And I really really hope that the things I've seen
Speaker 2: are experienced or secondhand experience through other people are real.
Speaker 1: You know, what about like the Evil Eye? You don't
Speaker 1: believe in that.
Speaker 2: I don't know as much about the Evil Eye. Tell
Speaker 2: me a little bit about that I've heard about it's funny,
Speaker 2: and I mean, we have like an evil eye in Mexico,
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's that's what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: About, Like I have Mexican relatives that that's their believe
Speaker 1: it or like my dad, I remember my dead time,
Speaker 1: my grandmother would talk about, oh, that person gave you
Speaker 1: the evil eye, and now you got to take an
Speaker 1: egg and you put it in a cup of water
Speaker 1: underneath your bed, and then when you crack the egg.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so, it is the same. It's like evil
Speaker 2: eye is like it's when someone gives you a look
Speaker 2: and they kind of yeah, yeah, totally, okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I've I've certainly cast the evil eye on man.
Speaker 1: You better believe I've got a red ribbon around my
Speaker 1: waist right now, a thick.
Speaker 2: Six inch satin ribbon lined in like teflon.
Speaker 1: Honey, I knew you were coming. I respect my body,
Speaker 1: I respect my space.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, I don't know if I believe
Speaker 2: in it? Do you believe in it?
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's not one that I think about all
Speaker 1: the time, but I do. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm pretty open to the spiritual realm, and I I
Speaker 1: protect myself from people with dark energy. I don't necessarily.
Speaker 1: I've never encountered someone that I feel is like possessed
Speaker 1: by a demon and genuinely like other worldly evil. I've
Speaker 1: never encountered that it's possible that it could exist. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that. But yeah, I think, I think
Speaker 1: sometimes if you it's important to put a guard up
Speaker 1: and not let those let people suck your soul. You know,
Speaker 1: I said a drag for two seconds, okay, refrain, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm superstitious. I know there's so many
Speaker 1: Mexican superstitions because there's also like, what is it you
Speaker 1: put a broom behind your door?
Speaker 2: Oh you mean you mean like almost like the the
Speaker 2: like the wives Tales type superstition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I never really got into the All of mine were
Speaker 2: more based around the paranormal because that's what I grew
Speaker 2: up in, was in like a paranormal and like theater
Speaker 2: and in the two kind of clashing and haunted houses.
Speaker 2: But oh my god, there's so many wacky, wacky superstitions
Speaker 2: that I just can't get behind. And I was raised
Speaker 2: around well.
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend that was from Mexico and I
Speaker 1: would whistle songs at home at night and he said,
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, allowed to whistle in the house
Speaker 1: at night because you can bring I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is specifically a Mexican thing or if he just
Speaker 1: didn't like my whistling, but he said that that's how
Speaker 1: you can conjure up demons into your home.
Speaker 2: You know what? You know one that I do actually experience,
Speaker 2: which you know, it's again, it's that it's that battle
Speaker 2: between like science versus paranormal is. You know, in Spanish
Speaker 2: we call it queos at the muerto, which means when
Speaker 2: when the dead man climbs on you, which is sleep
Speaker 2: paralysis essentially, when when you feel someone on top of
Speaker 2: you while you're sleeping, you open your eyes and you
Speaker 2: can't move. Do you ever experience sleep paralysis?
Speaker 1: Now? We talk about it almost every episode. I I
Speaker 1: have never had one. I I mean, I'm not a
Speaker 1: super religious person, but I kind of do my version
Speaker 1: of praying every night that it does not happen to me.
Speaker 1: It sounds terrifying, and yeah, luckily no, I never have.
Speaker 2: Have you I have I have actually have a little
Speaker 2: story about that one.
Speaker 1: Well, the question I always ask people that I've had it,
Speaker 1: do you sleep on your back? I?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do sleep on my back.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. But here's the thing. I only
Speaker 2: experience it if I turn over during the night and
Speaker 2: I'm sleeping on my side, and that's when it happens
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm full on face, like puddle of drool. I
Speaker 1: will not move because of it. Wow, So what happened
Speaker 1: to you? You genuinely had a sleep It's happened more
Speaker 1: than once.
Speaker 2: Or it's happened more than once, and it's the same.
Speaker 2: When it happens, I see the same thing. You know.
Speaker 2: Some people see different things. Some people don't see things
Speaker 2: at all. Some people. You know, mine, Mine is consistent
Speaker 2: and it's always the same. And I started. I only
Speaker 2: experience it two three times a year. It's not often,
Speaker 2: it's often enough. It sucks when it happens. But the
Speaker 2: first time it happened, I didn't even know what sleep
Speaker 2: prowless is was and it really freaked me out. But
Speaker 2: all I sleep on my back and then during the
Speaker 2: sometimes I'll turn to my side. And when I experienced sleep, Prolyssis,
Speaker 2: I'll wake up. I'll be on my side, and I
Speaker 2: have a I have a I have a double sized bed,
Speaker 2: so it's not super big, so I'm relatively close to
Speaker 2: the edge of the bed when I'm sleeping, and I'll
Speaker 2: be on my side. I'll open my I'll open my
Speaker 2: eyes and as you know, and sleep, prolyssies. You your
Speaker 2: your eyes are open and you're conscious, but you have
Speaker 2: no control of your body. You're just kind of limp.
Speaker 2: You can't control it. And all I see is a
Speaker 2: man standing up to the edge of my bed. And
Speaker 2: because I'm an old man, like a very very elderly
Speaker 2: man in a suit and because he's that.
Speaker 1: Think he's a suit on.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, but wait, it gets it gets it
Speaker 2: gets even sexier. Okay, because he's so close to my bed,
Speaker 2: I can't see his face or the upper part of
Speaker 2: his body. All I see or his hands, and he's
Speaker 2: like clasping his hands in front of me. And his
Speaker 2: hands are it's just really pale and modeled and kind
Speaker 2: of fucked top, like it's like they are dead man's hands,
Speaker 2: Like I can tell they're dead man's hands.
Speaker 1: And where's like he just doesn't have a face, or
Speaker 1: you can't move your eyes to see it.
Speaker 2: I can't move my eyes. I'm just like I'm looking
Speaker 2: straight forward and all i can see are his hands.
Speaker 2: That he's right up against my bed, right up to
Speaker 2: the edge, and that he's wearing a suit. And he
Speaker 2: doesn't move. He just stands there. And every time it happens,
Speaker 2: it freaks me out because he's so close to me.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes people will see shadows like in the corners of
Speaker 2: their room or things like that. Yeah, some people even
Speaker 2: feel things on top of them. I've never felt anything
Speaker 2: like that. He's just like so close to me, but
Speaker 2: not moving or saying anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go back. There's a man with dead
Speaker 1: hands and no face that hangs out by your bed sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing he has a face. I just I
Speaker 2: can never look up to see it. I just I
Speaker 2: see his hands and he's very old.
Speaker 1: Do you have a name for him?
Speaker 2: I don't actually never give give him him a name.
Speaker 1: When you have sleep brows, is you can't talk right,
Speaker 1: you can't be like.
Speaker 2: You can't you can know because like you can try
Speaker 2: your best to scream. That's what most people try to do,
Speaker 2: is they try to scream and you just you can't.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I honestly have not yet heard a
Speaker 1: story like this with like the same man every time.
Speaker 2: But wait, okay, So I did a Hulu gig a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks back where it was like an experience
Speaker 2: kind of situation where they showed us like it was
Speaker 2: like horror themed and they showed us like short films
Speaker 2: and things like that. But there was a part of
Speaker 2: the experience there where they had us consult with, like
Speaker 2: individually consult with the psychic and mind you, she wasn't
Speaker 2: like being all hokey or like, she wasn't in like
Speaker 2: the psychic costume with like her Like, no, it wasn't that.
Speaker 2: Like it was this very like average looking like middle
Speaker 2: aged woman and like a cute sweater and like some jeans.
Speaker 2: Like she was super chill, she was super nice, and
Speaker 2: she was also re tarot as she was like doing
Speaker 2: readings and stuff. And so when I went with her again,
Speaker 2: mind you, like, I'm I I want to believe really badly,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I do. But you can
Speaker 2: trust that, you know, whatever I tell you, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not making the most ridiculous thing ever there's a
Speaker 1: man that hangs out by your bed and you don't
Speaker 1: know that you believe that that's what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you think that that is? Do you see
Speaker 1: see the dream?
Speaker 2: No, but see the difference between say like seeing a
Speaker 2: ghost when you're fully awake, or like experience something paranormal.
Speaker 2: You know, the differences that sleep paralysis has been scientifically studied,
Speaker 2: and like it's it's very it's it's very very explainable.
Speaker 2: That's why for me, it's never been something you know,
Speaker 2: per se paranormal.
Speaker 1: So what do you with your with your science? What
Speaker 1: do you so you think that that's just like a
Speaker 1: manifestation in your brain of something, or.
Speaker 2: It's it's almost it's it's almost like you're dreaming awake
Speaker 2: because you aren't fully awake. So you know, here's the
Speaker 2: way I see it. If there is anything her normal
Speaker 2: revolving around a sleep paralysis, I think it may happen
Speaker 2: because you're just in a very vulnerable state. You're in
Speaker 2: a very very vulnerable state when you're experienced sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: So that's the way I see it. If if if
Speaker 2: there is anything paranormal you know, surrounding that. But anyway
Speaker 2: I did this Hulu thing and I had the psychic
Speaker 2: and you know, I pulled the cards, she laid them.
Speaker 1: Out, and.
Speaker 2: It was kind of shocking. I again, I went into
Speaker 2: actually very poker faced and very very skeptical because I
Speaker 2: was like, where do they They're like where. Also, it
Speaker 2: was in Las Vegas. So when they tell you, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna pair you with a psychic in Vegas, you know,
Speaker 2: immediately I was like.
Speaker 1: Was I just like a craps table or something they're
Speaker 1: black track. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was actually at like Circus Circus. It was like
Speaker 2: a clown. I like that. I like the buffet and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my gosh, she's gonna read my cards?
Speaker 2: Are but is she? She read my cards? And it
Speaker 2: was actually again and kind of unnerving the things that
Speaker 2: she said because she, my guess was going into the
Speaker 2: experience was Oh, she's gonna be very vague or she's
Speaker 2: going to say things that could universally apply to so
Speaker 2: many people. I'm gonna go in super poker face and.
Speaker 1: See how she does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like that gave her as little information about me,
Speaker 2: actually no information about me. I was just like, Hi,
Speaker 2: my name is Vander Hi, my name so and so
Speaker 2: pulled the cards. That was it. First of all, she
Speaker 2: was The first thing she said was like, oh, like,
Speaker 2: there's someone you love very very very much, and there's
Speaker 2: also like a third person in this equation, but they're
Speaker 2: not a problem, which is very interesting. I'm in an
Speaker 2: open relationship and my partner has a boyfriend who he
Speaker 2: lives with. So she said that, and I stayed pretty
Speaker 2: poker faced, and I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, that's valid.
Speaker 2: You know, she kind of clocked my open relationship. She
Speaker 2: then said, there's also this, this and this and this
Speaker 2: and that and blah blah blah blah blah, and share
Speaker 2: out of respect for my partner. But it wasn't anything
Speaker 2: involving specifically us. It was just kind of like drama
Speaker 2: out in the universe that kind of happened to clash
Speaker 2: with us at the time. And it was very very
Speaker 2: specific and very very spot on.
Speaker 1: That's what it's like, he has to do. They have
Speaker 1: to tell you right off the bat, they have to
Speaker 1: prove themselves to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like, okay, like fair. She said
Speaker 2: other things, mostly more along the lines of advice, not
Speaker 2: so much reading, more like advice in regards to the relationship,
Speaker 2: and then she asked me about it, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: like I'm in an open relationship. I have a partner,
Speaker 2: he has a boyfriend. But we're all very very friendly.
Speaker 2: We got along great. Like it's a it's a great situation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and she was like, oh, okay, that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what that was. And then this was this
Speaker 2: was the kicker that kind of like cracked my poker face.
Speaker 2: She goes she was like looking at some other cards
Speaker 2: and like she kind of stopped for a second and
Speaker 2: she was like, there's an old man in your dreams
Speaker 2: and he really scares he doesn't he? I kid you not,
Speaker 2: And like my face cracked. I was like, and I
Speaker 2: think she saw it, and she's like that that's that's
Speaker 2: the thing, right, And I was like, yeah, like I
Speaker 2: have sleep paralysis and I always see this old man
Speaker 2: and he just scares the shit out of me.
Speaker 1: Did she know who this man is?
Speaker 2: No, she didn't know. She just said she was just like,
Speaker 2: there's there's an old man and he scares you a lot,
Speaker 2: and he's in your dreams a lot. And she didn't
Speaker 2: I was no, she couldn't share who who he was
Speaker 2: or anything. She was just like I just I just
Speaker 2: know there's an old man.
Speaker 1: Wow, the Las Vegas jeans psychic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah? And also that's just it's
Speaker 2: that is so specific, Like that is so terribly specific.
Speaker 2: How does you know? You don't you don't guess that?
Speaker 1: Okay, but you still are a skeptic a little bit.
Speaker 2: I want to believe I'm again, I'm not a skeptic
Speaker 2: as so much as I'm open to the possibility. Okay,
Speaker 2: after that experience, I haven't experienced sleep proless since, but
Speaker 2: I think next time I do will be a little
Speaker 2: bit differently, because now there's there's reason to believe that
Speaker 2: it's something more than sleep prolesses.
Speaker 1: Wait, we need to, like, okay, I love a follow
Speaker 1: up episode, So we need to work on this so
Speaker 1: that we can get answers from this man.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: What about if you like wrote on a piece of
Speaker 1: paper like who are you? Please talk to me? Something
Speaker 1: like that, post it next to your bed and see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 2: What if tomorrow, like you, you log into Facebook and
Speaker 2: there's like news that I've been strangled in my sleep
Speaker 2: or something like that, I will be.
Speaker 1: The Queen of spooky Just kidding. No, well, you should
Speaker 1: leave some hand cream out for him.
Speaker 2: Some poor Solana from the eighties.
Speaker 1: I want to know who this man is, why there
Speaker 1: has to be a reason why he is.
Speaker 2: I remember she did say he's not trying to hurt you.
Speaker 1: She did say that he must be an ancestor.
Speaker 2: Don't you think I've thought about it. I never met
Speaker 2: my grandpa. I've only seen a couple photos of him,
Speaker 2: and he was always in suits because it was like
Speaker 2: always formal occasions. So I've never known. But I can't
Speaker 2: see his face, so I just don't know. But that's
Speaker 2: the only like elderly man I can think of.
Speaker 1: Well, so you can only see like where his hands,
Speaker 1: like are his hands like where like out by his
Speaker 1: stomach or where they're kind of.
Speaker 2: Like if you just clapped your hand, clasped your hands
Speaker 2: together and just let them drop in front of you.
Speaker 2: That's the level that they're at. It's like a very
Speaker 2: relaxed kind of.
Speaker 1: Post right on the piece of paper, Like can you
Speaker 1: kneel next time so that you can see in that
Speaker 1: same direction his face.
Speaker 2: Oh see, now that's actually scary because his face is
Speaker 2: going to be so close to mine.
Speaker 1: Oh it's right next to you.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I sleep in a double bed, so
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty small and one I'm lying on my
Speaker 2: side near the edge of the bed, so I mean
Speaker 2: his hands are made.
Speaker 1: Like God, I was in just a little old man
Speaker 1: face right next to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. His hands are only like a
Speaker 2: foot and change away from my face. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want to have his face that close
Speaker 2: to me. That's actually really scary because like what if
Speaker 2: I don't recognize him, what if it's someone I don't know.
Speaker 2: And the thing is like I've moved that this has
Speaker 2: only happened to me in La and I've moved twice
Speaker 2: while I've been here, and I've had the same sleep
Speaker 2: paralysis in different apartments and things like that, so like
Speaker 2: it's not linked to anywhere I was staying. It has
Speaker 2: it has something to do with me.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's one of your fans that saw you in
Speaker 1: an airport. They're coming to stock you.
Speaker 2: I don't know what little little old eighty year old.
Speaker 1: Man he might love, dragu Lad You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I I would love to know it.
Speaker 2: But also I don't know if I really want to
Speaker 2: see his face that close to me.
Speaker 1: That's actually really too cloy. I don't see anybody's close face.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, it's not like I see it
Speaker 2: for like he's there for a while, like sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: Usually my sleep proalyssies will last anywhere from like thirty
Speaker 2: seconds to a minute. So that's like a full minute
Speaker 2: that I'm seeing his hands.
Speaker 1: I don't like, Oh so you can see every vein
Speaker 1: and cracked and everything. Do you does he can you like,
Speaker 1: does he look like a human or can you see
Speaker 1: through him?
Speaker 2: No, he looks fully human. I can just tell that
Speaker 2: his hand and you know, it's fine. Like the hands
Speaker 2: remind me a little bit of like I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've ever like seen a body at a wake,
Speaker 2: the way they're positioned in the coffin in their hands
Speaker 2: are kind of held in front of them over their
Speaker 2: stomach like that, Like that's what it kind of looks like.
Speaker 2: And that's what I've always thought of it as, is
Speaker 2: that it kind of looks like someone at a wake
Speaker 2: just like standing up.
Speaker 1: Though, but you can't tell that he's like breathing, like
Speaker 1: what if he's just like he's going completely still.
Speaker 2: He's completely still, but he looks solid. He doesn't look
Speaker 2: like a ghost.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so scared.
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't want to see his face.
Speaker 2: I know, face to you. I hadn't even thought of
Speaker 2: like requesting to see his face, but now that thought's
Speaker 2: in my mind. So what if it happens because the
Speaker 2: thoughts in my mind and that's all your fault.
Speaker 1: No, well, listen, if he's not like breathing and stuff,
Speaker 1: at least you won't have to have old man ghost
Speaker 1: breath because ghosts breadth is one thing, but old man
Speaker 1: ghost breath breathing in your face in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night.
Speaker 2: Old man corpse ghost bread.
Speaker 1: Who knows how long he's been dead?
Speaker 2: I oh no. And it's like an older looking gray suit.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like a like a like a very
Speaker 2: contemporary or modern suit.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. All I can think of is
Speaker 2: my grandpa.
Speaker 1: I will make him something, make him an outfit.
Speaker 2: Hmm. And you know what's funny. I do have some
Speaker 2: of my grandpa's clothes with me too. My dad gave
Speaker 2: me some of his, like jackets and stuff.
Speaker 1: We heard a story one time that a listener repeatedly
Speaker 1: was seeing their at least one I don't remember, but
Speaker 1: they did see their grandfather's ghost at the foot of
Speaker 1: their bed wearing a suit, and they had actually owned
Speaker 1: that suit and they had it in their cloth, which
Speaker 1: I thought was so interesting because it's like, the clothes
Speaker 1: are not the glows are still on this earth in
Speaker 1: the closet, yet you're seeing a spirit wearing that same
Speaker 1: It's like the ghost of clothes that are still alive.
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, it's just a ghost.
Speaker 2: Think about. That's just a drag queen thing that like
Speaker 2: will my will my ghost, like my clothes ghosts travel
Speaker 2: with me into the beyond. Well, that's what I like,
Speaker 2: being able to wear this fifty pound wig on my head.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing exactly, Well, I wonder constantly about I
Speaker 1: always bring up cost players, like cosplayer ghosts. They could
Speaker 1: be from any you know, you could really throw people
Speaker 1: off because you could be a ghost wearing a colonial
Speaker 1: outfit but you you know, died five years ago. So
Speaker 1: people might be like, there's an old colonial woman. But
Speaker 1: it's really just like a teenager. But you imagine what
Speaker 1: you would you could do as a ghost. You would
Speaker 1: be the scary.
Speaker 2: There's like a bald gremlin haunting this building.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm saying like, if you have on would you
Speaker 1: choose to be in your full on drag? The teeth,
Speaker 1: the contacts that make up, the blood, the guts, all
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, absolutely. I mean I feel most powerful
Speaker 2: when i'm when I'm in drag, So I can totally
Speaker 2: see how you know. If I were experience you on Earth,
Speaker 2: I would have a blast scaring the shit out of people.
Speaker 1: No, you would truly be terrifying. Imagine someone seeing like
Speaker 1: I mean is gorgeous and amazing and artistic and everything
Speaker 1: as your looks are. If I woke up and I
Speaker 1: saw that next to my bed some of the looks
Speaker 1: that you pull, I would I would never know.
Speaker 2: B You're gonna see my clawed hands clasp tight next
Speaker 2: to you when I die. If I go first, you'll
Speaker 2: be the first person I'll go to.
Speaker 1: No, okay, you want to listen to some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Oh? Are we gonna listen ghost voices?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: From where?
Speaker 1: Okay? It is time for EVP or ev please?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Do you know what EVP is?
Speaker 2: It's electronic voice phenomenon or something.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so it's when ghost hunters catch a voice
Speaker 1: on audio recording and I want you to guess what
Speaker 1: this ghost is saying.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, sometimes they're an EVP and sometimes it's ev Please, now,
Speaker 1: I just want you to guess what the ghost hunter
Speaker 1: believes that it's said, or you can say what you
Speaker 1: think it says. It's up to you. But what we're
Speaker 1: gonna have you guess is specifically what the ghost hunter
Speaker 1: believes it said. Now. Both of these are from the
Speaker 1: Whaley House in San Diego.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been.
Speaker 1: Have you been to the Whalehouse?
Speaker 2: I've been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no paranormal experiences. No.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when it's broad daylight and you're in
Speaker 2: a group of thirty people walking through the house that's
Speaker 2: been like glazed with industrial paint so that it stands
Speaker 2: until the end of time, it kind of like it
Speaker 2: kills the spook factor.
Speaker 1: It's like a full on diorama, Like there's like scenes,
Speaker 1: you know, behind glass.
Speaker 2: It almost doesn't feel real anymore. It feels like like
Speaker 2: you know, when you go to Disneyland and everything has
Speaker 2: that really shiny protective coating on it, Like the whole
Speaker 2: house is bathed in that. So it just doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like a real house anymore. It feels like it feels
Speaker 2: like a toy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've been there twice and I have not
Speaker 1: had any parallem experiences. But they say it's one of
Speaker 1: the most haunted places in the country or a world
Speaker 1: or something. Okay, so this first one comes from a
Speaker 1: person on YouTube named Brian Rogers, and they heard a
Speaker 1: ghost at the Whaley House say.
Speaker 2: This, could you play that one more time?
Speaker 1: Oh, gladly, we'll do it again.
Speaker 2: Girl. That sounds like someone like that sounds like someone
Speaker 2: two blocks away. That sounds like someone.
Speaker 1: Outside, someone outside. I know it.
Speaker 2: Just it sounds like a very very clear voice that
Speaker 2: was said very very far away. To me. It doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like something that was inside. But what did they think?
Speaker 2: What did they think? They were saying, Well, let's.
Speaker 1: Hear it one more time, and I want just give me.
Speaker 2: A Okay, it sounds like four words, could you play
Speaker 2: one more time? It almost sounds like the first or
Speaker 2: the second part might be help help me. It sounds repetitive,
Speaker 2: like help me, help me.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's what I was thinking. Okay, is
Speaker 1: it a come in B how could you c help me?
Speaker 1: Or d I'll kill you here we go.
Speaker 2: No, it actually sounds more like i'll kill you. It
Speaker 2: almost sounds like three words. Yeah, but there's like a
Speaker 2: little bit of like a it almost sounds like there's
Speaker 2: a fourth word at the.
Speaker 1: End, I'll kill you, bitch.
Speaker 2: Work, I'll take that, I'll kill you bitch.
Speaker 1: No, they actually think it says come in, come in,
Speaker 1: come in. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It totally sounds like there's more words than just come in.
Speaker 1: I know, it's hard, it's hard to guess, but it
Speaker 1: does sound like they caught something for sure. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: now there is here's another one. This one is now
Speaker 1: from Colleen Rose, and it's at the Whaleyhouse and they
Speaker 1: believe this is the ghost of Yankee Jim Robinson, who
Speaker 1: was a man that got hung on the property because
Speaker 1: he stole a row boat. And this was actually before
Speaker 1: the Whaley family moved in, And so I think people
Speaker 1: believe that the Whaley because the Whaley family experienced paranormal
Speaker 1: while they live there. So it's been and they haunt
Speaker 1: it now, and so some of the members. So it's
Speaker 1: been haunted for a long time, and this is like
Speaker 1: an old ghost. This is a Yankee Jim Robinson.
Speaker 2: So incredibly specific identification of a dead being.
Speaker 1: I know, but it starts out with you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: some ghost hunters talking, okay, and then and then you'll
Speaker 1: hear something yanked Jim. Do you want to go out
Speaker 1: for a beer?
Speaker 2: You want to go out for a whiskey?
Speaker 1: I have that cigar with me?
Speaker 2: Do you want to go outside?
Speaker 1: Here? It is, that's literally I just wanted to give
Speaker 1: you some context. Beer, okay, sort of a whispery? Yeah,
Speaker 1: terrible play yankee Jim again.
Speaker 2: It literally sounds like he just went, eh, I know, like,
Speaker 2: do you want to go out for a beer or
Speaker 2: a whiskey? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, here's some options. Is it a let's get tipsy? B?
Speaker 1: Did you say whiskey? See? Do you want to kiss me?
Speaker 1: Or do I like my chicken crispy? Oh? Wait?
Speaker 2: There was more. All I'm hearing is that, Like you know,
Speaker 2: it's this one's tricky because there's someone clearly talking in
Speaker 2: the background, So like, how do you decipher between the
Speaker 2: person talking in the background and it was? Okay, play
Speaker 2: it again. I'm gonna try. I was only hearing that sound.
Speaker 2: That's like I thought that's what the EVP was.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's listen. Apparently even more, Yeah, you're hearing the
Speaker 1: mat but it's like a bet.
Speaker 2: But through the whole thing, you can hear someone like
Speaker 2: when the when the ghost. When these people are like talking,
Speaker 2: you can hear someone in the background talking.
Speaker 1: There is probably somebody else there, but they're what they're
Speaker 1: picking up on.
Speaker 2: Is let's see go again. Oh I hear it. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. And literally sounds like the word crispy.
Speaker 1: I know, I think that this ghost things there at Popeyes.
Speaker 2: Oh, he wants that she can sandwich. That's what I
Speaker 2: can only decipher the word crispy. It sounds so much
Speaker 2: like the word crispy.
Speaker 1: It's did you say whiskey? That's what they believe, so funny,
Speaker 1: like in the context where they're like whiskey like, and
Speaker 1: then he goes, did you say whiskey?
Speaker 2: Listen, she's a whiskey girl.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I can totally hear. It's so much longer than I talk.
Speaker 1: You say whiskey?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I can totally hear it.
Speaker 1: Oh that interesting.
Speaker 2: That actually sounds whisky. Actually sounds like like someone might
Speaker 2: have said that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's spooky stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could help me with some
Speaker 1: advice that one of our listeners of the show was won.
Speaker 2: Oh oh this is fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be interesting coming from you as a
Speaker 1: person that believes in science a little skeptical.
Speaker 2: Don't pin me is that bitch. I did not come
Speaker 2: here to be pinned as the scientist.
Speaker 1: So okay, this comes from Jen. She wrote this in
Speaker 1: our Facebook group ghosted by ros Dress Phyllis. Jen says, So,
Speaker 1: I was hoping to get some feedback about something I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to do for a while. One of my grandparents'
Speaker 1: houses was totally haunted. No one wanted to be in
Speaker 1: the hallway without a light on or by themselves. Windows
Speaker 1: and doors would open by themselves, and even beds levitated.
Speaker 1: That's scary. The house in question isn't in the family anymore,
Speaker 1: and I've always wondered if the activity continued after our
Speaker 1: family left. Is there a good way to approach the
Speaker 1: current occupants to find out without scaring them or weirding
Speaker 1: them out too much. I'd totally go up and ask
Speaker 1: the people that live there now if I had a
Speaker 1: plan of action, mostly just not making things too weird
Speaker 1: for the current occupants. So I thought i'd ask my
Speaker 1: fellow booze for your opinions. Any tactful suggestions. What do
Speaker 1: you think, vander.
Speaker 2: Vaughn add I think the best way to approach something
Speaker 2: like that, because the thing is if you like physically
Speaker 2: approach them, that can be a little intimidating. I would
Speaker 2: probably just do an old school and write a letter
Speaker 2: and just word it.
Speaker 1: Carefully, anonymous letter, and just leave it in the.
Speaker 2: Oh no, with a return address. I want an answer, bitch,
Speaker 2: they haunt you or not? Yeah, like or maybe even
Speaker 2: like if you don't want them to know your address
Speaker 2: or where you live, even just take out like a
Speaker 2: po box for like a month or something like that,
Speaker 2: you know, like send them a letter, be like, hey,
Speaker 2: like I used to live there or here, or my
Speaker 2: family used to live here. These were some of the
Speaker 2: things we experienced, and I was just really curious if
Speaker 2: this is something that you've experienced while you've been here,
Speaker 2: and maybe omit the part about the levitating beds and stuff,
Speaker 2: because like you also want to you I think you
Speaker 2: want to word it in a way where even if
Speaker 2: they are skeptical, they'll want to get back to you
Speaker 2: and be like yes or no, nothing has happened here.
Speaker 2: Since I feel like when things get a little bit
Speaker 2: like too extreme like that people will be quick to
Speaker 2: knock it off as like, oh, this is someone messing
Speaker 2: with me, or this is a joke, or this is
Speaker 2: someone trying to prank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's really hard because some people,
Speaker 1: I mean I talk to people constantly just out in
Speaker 1: the real world. Hey, I get out of the house
Speaker 1: a bit, and I'll bring up ghosts, and every once
Speaker 1: in a while I'll encounter someone that's like that shit's
Speaker 1: all fake, Like they get real pissed. Yeah, people sometimes
Speaker 1: really get like just almost like in a way that
Speaker 1: people get politically where it's like don't take my guns,
Speaker 1: like that kind of shit, where it's just like, don't
Speaker 1: try to you know, tell me that that's true, which
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's that same kind of like bitter,
Speaker 2: hateful reaction that like vegan people will get, like I
Speaker 2: don't know that many pushy vegans. I think that's just
Speaker 2: like this, there's like a stereotype that exists similar to like, oh,
Speaker 2: like people who believe in the paranormal, they're are like
Speaker 2: any little wisp of air and they think they're haunted. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that stereotype does exist, And so when people
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: It, because all wisps of air are goes.
Speaker 2: Well, we are when you're drawing cross dress fuls and
Speaker 2: you're leaving a hotel with Johnny Reinhart at three in
Speaker 2: the morning because you got Yeah, but no, I totally
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about where people just like eye roll,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're really rude about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so somebody could get very offended. So that is
Speaker 1: a tricky question. I like your idea, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: to get a full peel box. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: whole inchilada.
Speaker 2: But that's just like me getting like not wanting to
Speaker 2: give my address out to anyone for the same reason,
Speaker 2: like fans will send me weird shit. But I mean,
Speaker 2: if you want to protect your identity, you're not take
Speaker 2: out a po box aim a letter. Worst thing that
Speaker 2: could happen is they won't answer or they won't get
Speaker 2: back to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I actually, I mean I'm very curious. I
Speaker 1: would be very curious, like did this happen, like if
Speaker 1: your bed's been levitating, like.
Speaker 2: Well I would I would. I'd also just ask like
Speaker 2: if you have experienced, like what have you experienced and
Speaker 2: then maybe based on their follow up letter, if they're
Speaker 2: like yet if they're like, yes, things have been happening
Speaker 2: this and that, I think that's the cue to move
Speaker 2: forward and really share like the extent of the experience
Speaker 2: that they had in.
Speaker 1: The maybe meet each other, do some coffee. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: Well that concludes this week's episode. Vander. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: you came here.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I've been excited
Speaker 2: to do this. I never got to talk about real
Speaker 2: spooky thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well you you really brought it today.
Speaker 1: I mean I was honestly like, God's not like spooky
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 2: I know, she's always in those fucking blonde wits. She's
Speaker 2: always just like that a grandeng and just damn.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm so happy that you did this. Tell people
Speaker 1: where to find you.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram at Vander von Odd
Speaker 2: or insta celebrity, or also on my YouTube channel Vander
Speaker 2: von Odd or my website vander vonodd dot com, where
Speaker 2: you can find my prints and my merch and occasionally
Speaker 2: when I make custom art pieces they go up on
Speaker 2: there as well. So you find me there.
Speaker 1: Yay, Sae, I told you that is one spooky bitch
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