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Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed? It's spooky,

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Speaker 1: Hey jooky. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming its way.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, how I said? Hi, Ross dress? Hey boo,

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Speaker 1: it's me Rod's dressful as if you celebrate Christmas. I

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Speaker 1: hope you had a wonderful time yesterday. I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be fun just to do a little bit more

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Speaker 1: ask me anything questions that I posted a while ago.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy answering these questions, so let's see what I

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Speaker 1: can find that I have not answered already. First question

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Speaker 1: that was posted in the Facebook group is was there

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Speaker 1: a specific moment that inspired the creation of your podcast?

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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's been many moments, and again, I've

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Speaker 1: had so many paranormal experiences, and I think that what

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Speaker 1: asking people have you ever seen a ghost at like,

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Speaker 1: you know, regular like at a holiday party, for example,

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Speaker 1: people will know exactly, you know, I'll create a space

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Speaker 1: weird ghost Person. What's my favorite horror movie? I have

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Speaker 1: so many I might have answered this question already, but

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Speaker 1: I do have a suggestion. If you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: horror movie in this winter Hondiday season, I would like

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Speaker 1: to recommend Black Christmas I the original. It's not even

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Speaker 1: though we're after Christmas. Technically, it's not really that much

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Speaker 1: of a Christmas y Christmas y movie, and it's also

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Speaker 1: not paranormal. But it is a spooky wintertime, Christmas time movie.

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Speaker 1: So lock yourself up with some agnog and watch some

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Speaker 1: college kids get murdered. What story sticks out in my

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Speaker 1: mind is the scariest, most chilling, Honestly, Gunner death Ridge

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Speaker 1: talking about the cult that somehow got into his dream.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know what I'm talking about, listen

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Speaker 1: to that one. That one is unlike anything I've ever heard,

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Speaker 1: to San Francisco for a show, ghost Hunt or possible

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Speaker 1: live taping slash event. I want to go to San

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Speaker 1: promise you I'm working on it. I have been making

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Speaker 1: phone calls and sending emails. It's just I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: a haunted place to do a show that can accommodate people.

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Speaker 1: And I have a couple of leads. I have a

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Speaker 1: it at a couple of places that aren't necessarily allegedly haunted.

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Speaker 1: that stuff. And I've talked to a good psychic friend

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Speaker 1: city to visit? Bartholona, Spain. I want to go so bad.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get on with this show. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get spooky, and there's not many people that are

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Speaker 1: much spookier than my guest. Today. We have got Vander

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Speaker 1: von Aud in the studio and Vander actually won Dragula,

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Speaker 1: which is a spooky drag competition. Vander won the first season.

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Speaker 1: Here's my interview with Vander von Od. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I am joined by a true spooky queen, Vander von Odd.

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Speaker 1: Hi Vander. People tell me people aren't constantly saying to

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Speaker 1: me ever since I started doing this podcast in January.

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Speaker 1: The people are always like, oh, you're like the queen

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Speaker 2: Oh but the spooky comes from within. But thank you

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Speaker 1: I think with me, there's always a misconception that I

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Speaker 1: Totally. Well, I'm I'm truly. One of the great honors

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Speaker 2: I know, fuck you spooky, unspook. I always say I'm

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what's funny is that I never

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Speaker 1: jarring it can be when like I've done gigs, well

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Speaker 2: God, you know, God bless drag. If there's anything that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well the next morning if you ever fall asleep

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Speaker 1: a minute, hold up, what does scare you?

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Speaker 2: You know what? The bulk of what scares me would

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Speaker 2: It's crazy and like I was, like, I was on

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Speaker 2: Or I'll like, I'll get in from a show and

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Speaker 1: Well, I yeah, I have a friend that's famous and

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. But what about the paranormal? I mean,

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Speaker 2: You know what? This is a great moment for the

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Speaker 1: Would you seek it out? Would you ever go go, oh.

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Speaker 2: We would seek out real buildings and we would rent

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Speaker 2: there was a specific, a specific building, so I worked

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Speaker 2: as a creative director for entertainment and entertainment company called

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Speaker 2: Find a Story Entertainment that's based in Mehikaia, California. And

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Speaker 2: that's who I did all Find a Story Entertainment from Mexik, califn.

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Speaker 1: A journey around the world.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just five hours south to the border to

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: And so whether they did or didn't see you know,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's so interesting is that, like you didn't see them,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And it's it's strange because it was

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Speaker 2: two different sets of people who were unrelated. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: That's a ghost. How can how? I don't know how

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I worked in haunts for so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of it is a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very unnerving, and I've always I forgot

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Speaker 2: I remember that I had completely forgotten about about.

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Speaker 1: The barracks a good one.

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Speaker 2: And they're not there. The barracks were removed some years later,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, that was this.

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Speaker 1: Does this company still work there at that place?

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Speaker 2: It's funny. Last year was the first year that they

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Speaker 1: But now being Mexican, do you are you a superstitious person?

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Speaker 1: Because I like, there's so many superstitions.

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Speaker 2: There's so many superstitions and revolving around Han I learned

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Speaker 2: of very like one of my favorites, I thought it

433
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: was I don't know, I thought it was kind of beautiful,

434
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: but a lot of actors were encouraged to wear a

435
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: red satin ribbon or tied around their waist in a

436
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: not underneath their costumes. And this was supposed to protect

437
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: you from any sort of negativity, because the thing is, when,

438
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: like you said right now, like when you're acting, when

439
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: you're in a space like that and you're acting, you're

440
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: kind of embodying a lot of the feelings and emotions

441
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 2: of hate and dread and fear and sadness, and and

442
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of actors believe that that could

443
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: open them up to, you know, kind of like spiritually

444
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: damaging themselves because they're operating and they're working in a

445
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: space where really awful things actually happened. So a lot

446
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: of them would wear a red ribbon, you know, underneath

447
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: their costume. For many years, we had I forget, I

448
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: forget what we used to call it, but there was

449
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: a chant that the audience would have to recite before

450
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: going into the haunt, and they would be taken blindfolded

451
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: into a room and we would have a ton of

452
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: real instruments and there would just be like live, gnarled,

453
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: fucked up music playing and they would be asked to

454
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: recite this poem that you know it was. It's so

455
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: many years ago, I can't but it was somewhere along

456
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: the lines of I respect the space, I respect my body,

457
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: and I respect what happens here, and I won't take

458
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: any of it, you know with me and a lot

459
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: of people, including the actors, felt very protected by that

460
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: and very safe by that, and a lot of actors

461
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: wouldn't really work without, you know, doing some kind of

462
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: kind of chant or poem or something before going into

463
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: the house as a means of like protecting themselves. And

464
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: I always thought that was really that was really interesting.

465
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you raised religious at all?

466
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic. I looked out my parents weren't

467
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: super religious, but they were. They were Catholic.

468
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: So Catholics are the ones I always believe in ghosts.

469
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know, I'm telling you I want

470
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: to believe, and you know, maybe I do a little bit,

471
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: or otherwise I wouldn't.

472
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: You just need to have a real good you need

473
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: to have a ghost just and.

474
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so open to it. I really I

475
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: wish it would happen, you know what. I think a

476
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: part of me wants to believe so badly because I

477
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: dread the idea of their not being anything after this life.

478
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: I dread the idea, but I think I also believe

479
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: that that's possible as well, and I don't want it

480
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: to be I don't want that to I don't want

481
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: this life, you know, to be it and for it

482
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: to be over and for you know, the rest of

483
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: existence to just be like unconscious darkness. That's that's well, See,

484
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: it's really sad.

485
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: I think you go on to the next one.

486
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

487
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: That's my opinion or what I believe. But I also

488
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: think that a lot of times, like you said, ghosts

489
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: are the result of dread and horrific events and unfinished business.

490
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: And I think that if you're lingering around, it's like

491
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: it's sad, you know, if you're still here.

492
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is sad. I think for me,

493
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: it's just becomes a testament to it's not over. And

494
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: that's why I just I really really want to believe it.

495
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: And I really really hope that the things I've seen

496
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: are experienced or secondhand experience through other people are real.

497
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, what about like the Evil Eye? You don't

498
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: believe in that.

499
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: I don't know as much about the Evil Eye. Tell

500
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: me a little bit about that I've heard about it's funny,

501
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: and I mean, we have like an evil eye in Mexico,

502
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's that's what I'm talking.

503
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: About, Like I have Mexican relatives that that's their believe

504
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: it or like my dad, I remember my dead time,

505
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: my grandmother would talk about, oh, that person gave you

506
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: the evil eye, and now you got to take an

507
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: egg and you put it in a cup of water

508
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: underneath your bed, and then when you crack the egg.

509
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a whole thing.

510
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so, it is the same. It's like evil

511
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: eye is like it's when someone gives you a look

512
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: and they kind of yeah, yeah, totally, okay, yeah yeah.

513
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: I mean I've I've certainly cast the evil eye on man.

514
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: You better believe I've got a red ribbon around my

515
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: waist right now, a thick.

516
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: Six inch satin ribbon lined in like teflon.

517
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Honey, I knew you were coming. I respect my body,

518
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: I respect my space.

519
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, I don't know if I believe

520
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: in it? Do you believe in it?

521
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's not one that I think about all

522
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: the time, but I do. I mean, I feel like

523
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty open to the spiritual realm, and I I

524
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: protect myself from people with dark energy. I don't necessarily.

525
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: I've never encountered someone that I feel is like possessed

526
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: by a demon and genuinely like other worldly evil. I've

527
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: never encountered that it's possible that it could exist. I don't.

528
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that. But yeah, I think, I think

529
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: sometimes if you it's important to put a guard up

530
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: and not let those let people suck your soul. You know,

531
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: I said a drag for two seconds, okay, refrain, but uh, yeah,

532
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm superstitious. I know there's so many

533
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: Mexican superstitions because there's also like, what is it you

534
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: put a broom behind your door?

535
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh you mean you mean like almost like the the

536
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: like the wives Tales type superstition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

537
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: I never really got into the All of mine were

538
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: more based around the paranormal because that's what I grew

539
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: up in, was in like a paranormal and like theater

540
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: and in the two kind of clashing and haunted houses.

541
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: But oh my god, there's so many wacky, wacky superstitions

542
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: that I just can't get behind. And I was raised

543
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: around well.

544
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend that was from Mexico and I

545
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: would whistle songs at home at night and he said,

546
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, allowed to whistle in the house

547
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: at night because you can bring I don't know if

548
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: this is specifically a Mexican thing or if he just

549
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't like my whistling, but he said that that's how

550
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: you can conjure up demons into your home.

551
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: You know what? You know one that I do actually experience,

552
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: which you know, it's again, it's that it's that battle

553
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: between like science versus paranormal is. You know, in Spanish

554
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: we call it queos at the muerto, which means when

555
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: when the dead man climbs on you, which is sleep

556
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: paralysis essentially, when when you feel someone on top of

557
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: you while you're sleeping, you open your eyes and you

558
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: can't move. Do you ever experience sleep paralysis?

559
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Now? We talk about it almost every episode. I I

560
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: have never had one. I I mean, I'm not a

561
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: super religious person, but I kind of do my version

562
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: of praying every night that it does not happen to me.

563
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: It sounds terrifying, and yeah, luckily no, I never have.

564
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: Have you I have I have actually have a little

565
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: story about that one.

566
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Well, the question I always ask people that I've had it,

567
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: do you sleep on your back? I?

568
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do sleep on my back.

569
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: See that's the thing.

570
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. But here's the thing. I only

571
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: experience it if I turn over during the night and

572
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm sleeping on my side, and that's when it happens

573
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: to me.

574
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm full on face, like puddle of drool. I

575
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: will not move because of it. Wow, So what happened

576
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: to you? You genuinely had a sleep It's happened more

577
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: than once.

578
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: Or it's happened more than once, and it's the same.

579
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: When it happens, I see the same thing. You know.

580
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: Some people see different things. Some people don't see things

581
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: at all. Some people. You know, mine, Mine is consistent

582
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: and it's always the same. And I started. I only

583
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: experience it two three times a year. It's not often,

584
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: it's often enough. It sucks when it happens. But the

585
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: first time it happened, I didn't even know what sleep

586
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: prowless is was and it really freaked me out. But

587
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: all I sleep on my back and then during the

588
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: sometimes I'll turn to my side. And when I experienced sleep, Prolyssis,

589
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: I'll wake up. I'll be on my side, and I

590
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: have a I have a I have a double sized bed,

591
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: so it's not super big, so I'm relatively close to

592
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: the edge of the bed when I'm sleeping, and I'll

593
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: be on my side. I'll open my I'll open my

594
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: eyes and as you know, and sleep, prolyssies. You your

595
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: your eyes are open and you're conscious, but you have

596
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: no control of your body. You're just kind of limp.

597
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: You can't control it. And all I see is a

598
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: man standing up to the edge of my bed. And

599
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: because I'm an old man, like a very very elderly

600
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: man in a suit and because he's that.

601
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Think he's a suit on.

602
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, but wait, it gets it gets it

603
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: gets even sexier. Okay, because he's so close to my bed,

604
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I can't see his face or the upper part of

605
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: his body. All I see or his hands, and he's

606
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: like clasping his hands in front of me. And his

607
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: hands are it's just really pale and modeled and kind

608
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: of fucked top, like it's like they are dead man's hands,

609
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: Like I can tell they're dead man's hands.

610
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: And where's like he just doesn't have a face, or

611
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: you can't move your eyes to see it.

612
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: I can't move my eyes. I'm just like I'm looking

613
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: straight forward and all i can see are his hands.

614
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: That he's right up against my bed, right up to

615
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 2: the edge, and that he's wearing a suit. And he

616
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: doesn't move. He just stands there. And every time it happens,

617
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: it freaks me out because he's so close to me.

618
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: Oftentimes people will see shadows like in the corners of

619
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: their room or things like that. Yeah, some people even

620
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: feel things on top of them. I've never felt anything

621
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: like that. He's just like so close to me, but

622
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: not moving or saying anything.

623
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go back. There's a man with dead

624
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: hands and no face that hangs out by your bed sometimes.

625
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing he has a face. I just I

626
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: can never look up to see it. I just I

627
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: see his hands and he's very old.

628
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: Do you have a name for him?

629
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: I don't actually never give give him him a name.

630
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: When you have sleep brows, is you can't talk right,

631
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: you can't be like.

632
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: You can't you can know because like you can try

633
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: your best to scream. That's what most people try to do,

634
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: is they try to scream and you just you can't.

635
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I honestly have not yet heard a

636
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: story like this with like the same man every time.

637
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: But wait, okay, So I did a Hulu gig a

638
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: couple of weeks back where it was like an experience

639
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: kind of situation where they showed us like it was

640
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: like horror themed and they showed us like short films

641
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: and things like that. But there was a part of

642
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 2: the experience there where they had us consult with, like

643
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: individually consult with the psychic and mind you, she wasn't

644
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: like being all hokey or like, she wasn't in like

645
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: the psychic costume with like her Like, no, it wasn't that.

646
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: Like it was this very like average looking like middle

647
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: aged woman and like a cute sweater and like some jeans.

648
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Like she was super chill, she was super nice, and

649
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: she was also re tarot as she was like doing

650
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: readings and stuff. And so when I went with her again,

651
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: mind you, like, I'm I I want to believe really badly,

652
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I do. But you can

653
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: trust that, you know, whatever I tell you, I'm not.

654
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: I'm not making the most ridiculous thing ever there's a

655
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: man that hangs out by your bed and you don't

656
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: know that you believe that that's what do you think?

657
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: What do you think that that is? Do you see

658
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: see the dream?

659
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: No, but see the difference between say like seeing a

660
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: ghost when you're fully awake, or like experience something paranormal.

661
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: You know, the differences that sleep paralysis has been scientifically studied,

662
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: and like it's it's very it's it's very very explainable.

663
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: That's why for me, it's never been something you know,

664
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: per se paranormal.

665
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: So what do you with your with your science? What

666
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: do you so you think that that's just like a

667
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: manifestation in your brain of something, or.

668
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: It's it's almost it's it's almost like you're dreaming awake

669
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: because you aren't fully awake. So you know, here's the

670
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: way I see it. If there is anything her normal

671
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: revolving around a sleep paralysis, I think it may happen

672
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: because you're just in a very vulnerable state. You're in

673
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: a very very vulnerable state when you're experienced sleep paralysis.

674
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: So that's the way I see it. If if if

675
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: there is anything paranormal you know, surrounding that. But anyway

676
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: I did this Hulu thing and I had the psychic

677
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: and you know, I pulled the cards, she laid them.

678
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: Out, and.

679
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: It was kind of shocking. I again, I went into

680
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: actually very poker faced and very very skeptical because I

681
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: was like, where do they They're like where. Also, it

682
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 2: was in Las Vegas. So when they tell you, oh,

683
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna pair you with a psychic in Vegas, you know,

684
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: immediately I was like.

685
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: Was I just like a craps table or something they're

686
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: black track. Yeah.

687
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: I was actually at like Circus Circus. It was like

688
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: a clown. I like that. I like the buffet and

689
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my gosh, she's gonna read my cards?

690
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: Are but is she? She read my cards? And it

691
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: was actually again and kind of unnerving the things that

692
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: she said because she, my guess was going into the

693
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: experience was Oh, she's gonna be very vague or she's

694
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: going to say things that could universally apply to so

695
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: many people. I'm gonna go in super poker face and.

696
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: See how she does.

697
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like that gave her as little information about me,

698
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: actually no information about me. I was just like, Hi,

699
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: my name is Vander Hi, my name so and so

700
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: pulled the cards. That was it. First of all, she

701
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: was The first thing she said was like, oh, like,

702
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: there's someone you love very very very much, and there's

703
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: also like a third person in this equation, but they're

704
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: not a problem, which is very interesting. I'm in an

705
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: open relationship and my partner has a boyfriend who he

706
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: lives with. So she said that, and I stayed pretty

707
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: poker faced, and I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, that's valid.

708
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: You know, she kind of clocked my open relationship. She

709
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: then said, there's also this, this and this and this

710
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: and that and blah blah blah blah blah, and share

711
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: out of respect for my partner. But it wasn't anything

712
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: involving specifically us. It was just kind of like drama

713
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: out in the universe that kind of happened to clash

714
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: with us at the time. And it was very very

715
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: specific and very very spot on.

716
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: That's what it's like, he has to do. They have

717
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: to tell you right off the bat, they have to

718
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: prove themselves to you.

719
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like, okay, like fair. She said

720
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: other things, mostly more along the lines of advice, not

721
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: so much reading, more like advice in regards to the relationship,

722
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: and then she asked me about it, and I was like, oh, yeah,

723
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: like I'm in an open relationship. I have a partner,

724
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: he has a boyfriend. But we're all very very friendly.

725
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: We got along great. Like it's a it's a great situation.

726
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, and she was like, oh, okay, that's you know,

727
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: that's exactly what that was. And then this was this

728
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 2: was the kicker that kind of like cracked my poker face.

729
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: She goes she was like looking at some other cards

730
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: and like she kind of stopped for a second and

731
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: she was like, there's an old man in your dreams

732
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: and he really scares he doesn't he? I kid you not,

733
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: And like my face cracked. I was like, and I

734
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: think she saw it, and she's like that that's that's

735
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: the thing, right, And I was like, yeah, like I

736
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: have sleep paralysis and I always see this old man

737
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: and he just scares the shit out of me.

738
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Did she know who this man is?

739
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: No, she didn't know. She just said she was just like,

740
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: there's there's an old man and he scares you a lot,

741
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: and he's in your dreams a lot. And she didn't

742
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: I was no, she couldn't share who who he was

743
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: or anything. She was just like I just I just

744
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: know there's an old man.

745
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: Wow, the Las Vegas jeans psychic.

746
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah? And also that's just it's

747
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: that is so specific, Like that is so terribly specific.

748
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: How does you know? You don't you don't guess that?

749
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Okay, but you still are a skeptic a little bit.

750
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: I want to believe I'm again, I'm not a skeptic

751
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: as so much as I'm open to the possibility. Okay,

752
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: after that experience, I haven't experienced sleep proless since, but

753
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: I think next time I do will be a little

754
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: bit differently, because now there's there's reason to believe that

755
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: it's something more than sleep prolesses.

756
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Wait, we need to, like, okay, I love a follow

757
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: up episode, So we need to work on this so

758
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: that we can get answers from this man.

759
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: You.

760
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: What about if you like wrote on a piece of

761
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: paper like who are you? Please talk to me? Something

762
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: like that, post it next to your bed and see

763
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: what happens.

764
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: What if tomorrow, like you, you log into Facebook and

765
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: there's like news that I've been strangled in my sleep

766
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: or something like that, I will be.

767
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: The Queen of spooky Just kidding. No, well, you should

768
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: leave some hand cream out for him.

769
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: Some poor Solana from the eighties.

770
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: I want to know who this man is, why there

771
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: has to be a reason why he is.

772
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: I remember she did say he's not trying to hurt you.

773
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: She did say that he must be an ancestor.

774
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Don't you think I've thought about it. I never met

775
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: my grandpa. I've only seen a couple photos of him,

776
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: and he was always in suits because it was like

777
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: always formal occasions. So I've never known. But I can't

778
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: see his face, so I just don't know. But that's

779
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: the only like elderly man I can think of.

780
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: Well, so you can only see like where his hands,

781
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: like are his hands like where like out by his

782
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: stomach or where they're kind of.

783
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: Like if you just clapped your hand, clasped your hands

784
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: together and just let them drop in front of you.

785
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: That's the level that they're at. It's like a very

786
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: relaxed kind of.

787
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Post right on the piece of paper, Like can you

788
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: kneel next time so that you can see in that

789
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: same direction his face.

790
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Oh see, now that's actually scary because his face is

791
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: going to be so close to mine.

792
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh it's right next to you.

793
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I sleep in a double bed, so

794
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty small and one I'm lying on my

795
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: side near the edge of the bed, so I mean

796
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: his hands are made.

797
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Like God, I was in just a little old man

798
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: face right next to you.

799
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. His hands are only like a

800
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: foot and change away from my face. Like, I don't

801
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: know if I want to have his face that close

802
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: to me. That's actually really scary because like what if

803
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't recognize him, what if it's someone I don't know.

804
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: And the thing is like I've moved that this has

805
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: only happened to me in La and I've moved twice

806
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: while I've been here, and I've had the same sleep

807
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: paralysis in different apartments and things like that, so like

808
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: it's not linked to anywhere I was staying. It has

809
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: it has something to do with me.

810
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it's one of your fans that saw you in

811
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: an airport. They're coming to stock you.

812
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what little little old eighty year old.

813
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: Man he might love, dragu Lad You know.

814
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I I would love to know it.

815
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: But also I don't know if I really want to

816
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: see his face that close to me.

817
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: That's actually really too cloy. I don't see anybody's close face.

818
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: And the thing is, it's not like I see it

819
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: for like he's there for a while, like sleep paralysis.

820
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: Usually my sleep proalyssies will last anywhere from like thirty

821
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: seconds to a minute. So that's like a full minute

822
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: that I'm seeing his hands.

823
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't like, Oh so you can see every vein

824
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: and cracked and everything. Do you does he can you like,

825
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: does he look like a human or can you see

826
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: through him?

827
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: No, he looks fully human. I can just tell that

828
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: his hand and you know, it's fine. Like the hands

829
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: remind me a little bit of like I don't know

830
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: if you've ever like seen a body at a wake,

831
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: the way they're positioned in the coffin in their hands

832
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: are kind of held in front of them over their

833
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: stomach like that, Like that's what it kind of looks like.

834
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: And that's what I've always thought of it as, is

835
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: that it kind of looks like someone at a wake

836
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: just like standing up.

837
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Though, but you can't tell that he's like breathing, like

838
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: what if he's just like he's going completely still.

839
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: He's completely still, but he looks solid. He doesn't look

840
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: like a ghost.

841
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so scared.

842
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't want to see his face.

843
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: I know, face to you. I hadn't even thought of

844
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: like requesting to see his face, but now that thought's

845
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: in my mind. So what if it happens because the

846
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: thoughts in my mind and that's all your fault.

847
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: No, well, listen, if he's not like breathing and stuff,

848
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: at least you won't have to have old man ghost

849
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: breath because ghosts breadth is one thing, but old man

850
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: ghost breath breathing in your face in the middle of

851
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: the night.

852
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: Old man corpse ghost bread.

853
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: Who knows how long he's been dead?

854
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: I oh no. And it's like an older looking gray suit.

855
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like a like a like a very

856
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: contemporary or modern suit.

857
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

858
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: So I don't know. All I can think of is

859
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: my grandpa.

860
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: I will make him something, make him an outfit.

861
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: Hmm. And you know what's funny. I do have some

862
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: of my grandpa's clothes with me too. My dad gave

863
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: me some of his, like jackets and stuff.

864
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: We heard a story one time that a listener repeatedly

865
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Speaker 1: was seeing their at least one I don't remember, but

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Speaker 1: they did see their grandfather's ghost at the foot of

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Speaker 1: their bed wearing a suit, and they had actually owned

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Speaker 1: that suit and they had it in their cloth, which

869
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Speaker 1: I thought was so interesting because it's like, the clothes

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Speaker 1: are not the glows are still on this earth in

871
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: the closet, yet you're seeing a spirit wearing that same

872
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: It's like the ghost of clothes that are still alive.

873
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, it's just a ghost.

874
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Speaker 2: Think about. That's just a drag queen thing that like

875
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Speaker 2: will my will my ghost, like my clothes ghosts travel

876
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: with me into the beyond. Well, that's what I like,

877
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Speaker 2: being able to wear this fifty pound wig on my head.

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Speaker 1: What I'm doing exactly, Well, I wonder constantly about I

879
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: always bring up cost players, like cosplayer ghosts. They could

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Speaker 1: be from any you know, you could really throw people

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00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: off because you could be a ghost wearing a colonial

882
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: outfit but you you know, died five years ago. So

883
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: people might be like, there's an old colonial woman. But

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Speaker 1: it's really just like a teenager. But you imagine what

885
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: you would you could do as a ghost. You would

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Speaker 1: be the scary.

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Speaker 2: There's like a bald gremlin haunting this building.

888
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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm saying like, if you have on would you

889
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: choose to be in your full on drag? The teeth,

890
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Speaker 1: the contacts that make up, the blood, the guts, all

891
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Speaker 1: of it.

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00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, absolutely. I mean I feel most powerful

893
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: when i'm when I'm in drag, So I can totally

894
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: see how you know. If I were experience you on Earth,

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Speaker 2: I would have a blast scaring the shit out of people.

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Speaker 1: No, you would truly be terrifying. Imagine someone seeing like

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Speaker 1: I mean is gorgeous and amazing and artistic and everything

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Speaker 1: as your looks are. If I woke up and I

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Speaker 1: saw that next to my bed some of the looks

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Speaker 1: that you pull, I would I would never know.

901
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: B You're gonna see my clawed hands clasp tight next

902
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Speaker 2: to you when I die. If I go first, you'll

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Speaker 2: be the first person I'll go to.

904
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Speaker 1: No, okay, you want to listen to some ghost voices?

905
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Are we gonna listen ghost voices?

906
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

907
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Speaker 2: From where?

908
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Speaker 1: Okay? It is time for EVP or ev please?

909
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: Oh wow?

910
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Speaker 1: Do you know what EVP is?

911
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: It's electronic voice phenomenon or something.

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00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so it's when ghost hunters catch a voice

913
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Speaker 1: on audio recording and I want you to guess what

914
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Speaker 1: this ghost is saying.

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00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: M hmm.

916
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, sometimes they're an EVP and sometimes it's ev Please, now,

917
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Speaker 1: I just want you to guess what the ghost hunter

918
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Speaker 1: believes that it's said, or you can say what you

919
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: think it says. It's up to you. But what we're

920
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: gonna have you guess is specifically what the ghost hunter

921
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: believes it said. Now. Both of these are from the

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Speaker 1: Whaley House in San Diego.

923
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've been.

924
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Speaker 1: Have you been to the Whalehouse?

925
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Speaker 2: I've been.

926
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no paranormal experiences. No.

927
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean when it's broad daylight and you're in

928
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Speaker 2: a group of thirty people walking through the house that's

929
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Speaker 2: been like glazed with industrial paint so that it stands

930
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Speaker 2: until the end of time, it kind of like it

931
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Speaker 2: kills the spook factor.

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Speaker 1: It's like a full on diorama, Like there's like scenes,

933
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Speaker 1: you know, behind glass.

934
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Speaker 2: It almost doesn't feel real anymore. It feels like like

935
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Speaker 2: you know, when you go to Disneyland and everything has

936
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Speaker 2: that really shiny protective coating on it, Like the whole

937
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Speaker 2: house is bathed in that. So it just doesn't feel

938
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Speaker 2: like a real house anymore. It feels like it feels

939
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Speaker 2: like a toy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've been there twice and I have not

941
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Speaker 1: had any parallem experiences. But they say it's one of

942
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Speaker 1: the most haunted places in the country or a world

943
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Speaker 1: or something. Okay, so this first one comes from a

944
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Speaker 1: person on YouTube named Brian Rogers, and they heard a

945
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Speaker 1: ghost at the Whaley House say.

946
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Speaker 2: This, could you play that one more time?

947
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: Oh, gladly, we'll do it again.

948
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Speaker 2: Girl. That sounds like someone like that sounds like someone

949
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: two blocks away. That sounds like someone.

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Speaker 1: Outside, someone outside. I know it.

951
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: Just it sounds like a very very clear voice that

952
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: was said very very far away. To me. It doesn't

953
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Speaker 2: sound like something that was inside. But what did they think?

954
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Speaker 2: What did they think? They were saying, Well, let's.

955
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Speaker 1: Hear it one more time, and I want just give me.

956
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Speaker 2: A Okay, it sounds like four words, could you play

957
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: one more time? It almost sounds like the first or

958
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Speaker 2: the second part might be help help me. It sounds repetitive,

959
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: like help me, help me.

960
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's what I was thinking. Okay, is

961
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: it a come in B how could you c help me?

962
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Or d I'll kill you here we go.

963
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: No, it actually sounds more like i'll kill you. It

964
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: almost sounds like three words. Yeah, but there's like a

965
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: little bit of like a it almost sounds like there's

966
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Speaker 2: a fourth word at the.

967
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Speaker 1: End, I'll kill you, bitch.

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Speaker 2: Work, I'll take that, I'll kill you bitch.

969
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: No, they actually think it says come in, come in,

970
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: come in. I don't know.

971
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Speaker 2: It totally sounds like there's more words than just come in.

972
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Speaker 1: I know, it's hard, it's hard to guess, but it

973
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Speaker 1: does sound like they caught something for sure. Yeah, Okay,

974
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Speaker 1: now there is here's another one. This one is now

975
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Speaker 1: from Colleen Rose, and it's at the Whaleyhouse and they

976
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Speaker 1: believe this is the ghost of Yankee Jim Robinson, who

977
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Speaker 1: was a man that got hung on the property because

978
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Speaker 1: he stole a row boat. And this was actually before

979
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: the Whaley family moved in, And so I think people

980
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: believe that the Whaley because the Whaley family experienced paranormal

981
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Speaker 1: while they live there. So it's been and they haunt

982
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Speaker 1: it now, and so some of the members. So it's

983
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Speaker 1: been haunted for a long time, and this is like

984
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Speaker 1: an old ghost. This is a Yankee Jim Robinson.

985
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 2: So incredibly specific identification of a dead being.

986
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: I know, but it starts out with you're gonna hear

987
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Speaker 1: some ghost hunters talking, okay, and then and then you'll

988
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: hear something yanked Jim. Do you want to go out

989
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: for a beer?

990
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: You want to go out for a whiskey?

991
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: I have that cigar with me?

992
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: Do you want to go outside?

993
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Here? It is, that's literally I just wanted to give

994
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: you some context. Beer, okay, sort of a whispery? Yeah,

995
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 1: terrible play yankee Jim again.

996
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: It literally sounds like he just went, eh, I know, like,

997
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: do you want to go out for a beer or

998
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: a whiskey? Yeah?

999
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: Well, here's some options. Is it a let's get tipsy? B?

1000
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: Did you say whiskey? See? Do you want to kiss me?

1001
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: Or do I like my chicken crispy? Oh? Wait?

1002
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: There was more. All I'm hearing is that, Like you know,

1003
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: it's this one's tricky because there's someone clearly talking in

1004
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: the background, So like, how do you decipher between the

1005
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: person talking in the background and it was? Okay, play

1006
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: it again. I'm gonna try. I was only hearing that sound.

1007
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: That's like I thought that's what the EVP was.

1008
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's listen. Apparently even more, Yeah, you're hearing the

1009
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: mat but it's like a bet.

1010
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: But through the whole thing, you can hear someone like

1011
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: when the when the ghost. When these people are like talking,

1012
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: you can hear someone in the background talking.

1013
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: There is probably somebody else there, but they're what they're

1014
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: picking up on.

1015
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: Is let's see go again. Oh I hear it. Oh

1016
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 2: my god. And literally sounds like the word crispy.

1017
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: I know, I think that this ghost things there at Popeyes.

1018
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Oh, he wants that she can sandwich. That's what I

1019
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: can only decipher the word crispy. It sounds so much

1020
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: like the word crispy.

1021
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: It's did you say whiskey? That's what they believe, so funny,

1022
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: like in the context where they're like whiskey like, and

1023
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: then he goes, did you say whiskey?

1024
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 2: Listen, she's a whiskey girl.

1025
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Oh.

1026
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: I can totally hear. It's so much longer than I talk.

1027
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: You say whiskey?

1028
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I can totally hear it.

1029
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: Oh that interesting.

1030
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: That actually sounds whisky. Actually sounds like like someone might

1031
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: have said that.

1032
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's spooky stuff.

1033
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: Oh.

1034
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could help me with some

1035
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: advice that one of our listeners of the show was won.

1036
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh oh this is fun.

1037
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be interesting coming from you as a

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00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: person that believes in science a little skeptical.

1039
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Speaker 2: Don't pin me is that bitch. I did not come

1040
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: here to be pinned as the scientist.

1041
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: So okay, this comes from Jen. She wrote this in

1042
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: our Facebook group ghosted by ros Dress Phyllis. Jen says, So,

1043
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: I was hoping to get some feedback about something I've

1044
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: been wanting to do for a while. One of my grandparents'

1045
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: houses was totally haunted. No one wanted to be in

1046
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: the hallway without a light on or by themselves. Windows

1047
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: and doors would open by themselves, and even beds levitated.

1048
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: That's scary. The house in question isn't in the family anymore,

1049
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: and I've always wondered if the activity continued after our

1050
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: family left. Is there a good way to approach the

1051
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: current occupants to find out without scaring them or weirding

1052
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: them out too much. I'd totally go up and ask

1053
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: the people that live there now if I had a

1054
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: plan of action, mostly just not making things too weird

1055
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Speaker 1: for the current occupants. So I thought i'd ask my

1056
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: fellow booze for your opinions. Any tactful suggestions. What do

1057
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: you think, vander.

1058
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: Vaughn add I think the best way to approach something

1059
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: like that, because the thing is if you like physically

1060
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: approach them, that can be a little intimidating. I would

1061
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: probably just do an old school and write a letter

1062
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: and just word it.

1063
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Speaker 1: Carefully, anonymous letter, and just leave it in the.

1064
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, with a return address. I want an answer, bitch,

1065
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: they haunt you or not? Yeah, like or maybe even

1066
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: like if you don't want them to know your address

1067
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: or where you live, even just take out like a

1068
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Speaker 2: po box for like a month or something like that,

1069
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Speaker 2: you know, like send them a letter, be like, hey,

1070
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: like I used to live there or here, or my

1071
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: family used to live here. These were some of the

1072
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: things we experienced, and I was just really curious if

1073
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: this is something that you've experienced while you've been here,

1074
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Speaker 2: and maybe omit the part about the levitating beds and stuff,

1075
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: because like you also want to you I think you

1076
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: want to word it in a way where even if

1077
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: they are skeptical, they'll want to get back to you

1078
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: and be like yes or no, nothing has happened here.

1079
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Speaker 2: Since I feel like when things get a little bit

1080
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: like too extreme like that people will be quick to

1081
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Speaker 2: knock it off as like, oh, this is someone messing

1082
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: with me, or this is a joke, or this is

1083
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: someone trying to prank.

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00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's really hard because some people,

1085
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean I talk to people constantly just out in

1086
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: the real world. Hey, I get out of the house

1087
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: a bit, and I'll bring up ghosts, and every once

1088
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: in a while I'll encounter someone that's like that shit's

1089
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: all fake, Like they get real pissed. Yeah, people sometimes

1090
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: really get like just almost like in a way that

1091
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: people get politically where it's like don't take my guns,

1092
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: like that kind of shit, where it's just like, don't

1093
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: try to you know, tell me that that's true, which

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00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: I feel like it's that same kind of like bitter,

1096
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: hateful reaction that like vegan people will get, like I

1097
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: don't know that many pushy vegans. I think that's just

1098
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: like this, there's like a stereotype that exists similar to like, oh,

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00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: like people who believe in the paranormal, they're are like

1100
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: any little wisp of air and they think they're haunted. Like,

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00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: I think that stereotype does exist, And so when people

1102
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: talk about.

1103
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: It, because all wisps of air are goes.

1104
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: Well, we are when you're drawing cross dress fuls and

1105
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: you're leaving a hotel with Johnny Reinhart at three in

1106
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: the morning because you got Yeah, but no, I totally

1107
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about where people just like eye roll,

1108
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: you know, and they're really rude about it.

1109
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so somebody could get very offended. So that is

1110
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: a tricky question. I like your idea, though, I mean,

1111
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: to get a full peel box. I mean, that's a

1112
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: whole inchilada.

1113
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: But that's just like me getting like not wanting to

1114
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: give my address out to anyone for the same reason,

1115
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: like fans will send me weird shit. But I mean,

1116
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: if you want to protect your identity, you're not take

1117
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: out a po box aim a letter. Worst thing that

1118
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: could happen is they won't answer or they won't get

1119
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: back to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I actually, I mean I'm very curious. I

1121
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: would be very curious, like did this happen, like if

1122
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: your bed's been levitating, like.

1123
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: Well I would I would. I'd also just ask like

1124
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: if you have experienced, like what have you experienced and

1125
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: then maybe based on their follow up letter, if they're

1126
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: like yet if they're like, yes, things have been happening

1127
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: this and that, I think that's the cue to move

1128
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: forward and really share like the extent of the experience

1129
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: that they had in.

1130
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: The maybe meet each other, do some coffee. Yeah, that's great.

1131
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: Well that concludes this week's episode. Vander. I'm so happy

1132
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: you came here.

1133
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I've been excited

1134
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: to do this. I never got to talk about real

1135
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: spooky thing.

1136
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well you you really brought it today.

1137
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean I was honestly like, God's not like spooky

1138
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: and like.

1139
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: I know, she's always in those fucking blonde wits. She's

1140
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: always just like that a grandeng and just damn.

1141
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm so happy that you did this. Tell people

1142
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: where to find you.

1143
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram at Vander von Odd

1144
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: or insta celebrity, or also on my YouTube channel Vander

1145
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: von Odd or my website vander vonodd dot com, where

1146
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: you can find my prints and my merch and occasionally

1147
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: when I make custom art pieces they go up on

1148
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: there as well. So you find me there.

1149
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: Yay, Sae, I told you that is one spooky bitch

1150
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: right there. Vander. Go check out Van especially Vanders Instagram.

1151
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking in celebrity and for good reason.

1152
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: Vander is like just one of the most incredible artists

1153
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: that you visual artists through the medium of drag. It's incredible,

1154
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: So go check them out. Guys. We still have some

1155
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: tickets left for the live show on the twenty first

1156
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: of January. I am so excited for We had a

1157
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: blast last time. It completely sold out last time. So

1158
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: get those tickies now. You can get them at Cavernclubtheater

1159
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: dot com or you can go to my Instagram and

1160
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: the link is in the bio. All right, So all

1161
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: the things I want to tell you about I want

1162
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: you to give me five stars on Apple Podcasts if

1163
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: you can tell a couple of friends about the show.

1164
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 1: We're about to enter a new year and we're gonna

1165
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: take over the place. I can't wait for twenty twenty.

1166
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: This is our year. This is going to be the

1167
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: year of Ghosted. I'm calling it right now. That's what

1168
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: my psychic impulses are telling me. So please spread the

1169
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: word of Ghosted. Follow me on Instagram at Roz Dress Falaes.

1170
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm on cameo Roz Dress fales. I've got the Facebook

1171
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: group i'd like you to join called Ghosted by Roz

1172
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: Dress Fales a great place to share ghost stories. And

1173
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: I want to do some more listener episode. So if

1174
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: you have a ghost story and you would like to

1175
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: be on a listener episode, please send me an email

1176
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: Ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com and just put

1177
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: in the headline listener episode and hopefully we can work

1178
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: that out. I love you guys. I hope you all

1179
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: have a fabulous New Year. I will see you in

1180
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I love you all, both living and dead.

1181
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1182
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: haunt me, okay?

1183
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: Back star than a

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Speaker 1: Podcast a podcast network