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Speaker 2: Well, they're just sort of like wonderful moments to mark

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes people think that we're just putting on

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Speaker 2: Those spot little things that just aren't you. I remember

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Speaker 2: I do. I want to find out who these people are.

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Speaker 2: I want to I don't want them to be the surface,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you use that in real life? Like, do

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Speaker 1: That's how people stay yeah, inside of side yeah whatever. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I lost my godmother who I loved really, really dearly,

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Speaker 2: Her names for reader Beveridge, and she was just one

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well your style is still it's a

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that I'm here on my own doing

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Speaker 2: But I think there's I definitely think I'm being taken

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Speaker 2: I think because I am aware of the things that

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Speaker 1: How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: Tell us the tools? It is actually for me just

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Speaker 1: So I'm picking up the You do this all the time,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, because it means that I lock those

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Speaker 2: you would have.

439
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: Been a fantastic like a federal agent. This is more

440
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 1: like a private investigator. It should be like he came in,

441
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 1: he had a black jacket on and a you know

442
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: what I mean.

443
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: But what it means is it keeps me really present

444
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 2: and so I can I get to notice the things

445
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 2: that are happening at all times. I get to notice

446
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: how it feels moment, and I journal to make sure

447
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: that I remember. In the remembering, I can then be

448
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: grateful for the things that have happened during the day,

449
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: even the things that throw me off my access. This

450
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,360
Speaker 2: will teach me something, right, say, that is a.

451
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: Thing too, for like if you suffer from anxiety, yeah,

452
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: or fear. It's like if a lot of fear and

453
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: anxiety comes from worrying about what's in front of you

454
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: as a poor obsessing oh yes, what's behind you? Yeah?

455
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: But if you can stay in the present, yes, and

456
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: breathe in the presence, yeah, that can help you over hump,

457
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: especially like if you're in the crisis in rows of

458
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: something like that. It's a good tool. I think that's

459
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 1: even like a meditation. I read that one time. It's

460
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: like if you can pick five things if you're having

461
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: some type of panic attack or anxiety attacks, like pick

462
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: a few things in the room, breathe, notice something, close

463
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: your eyes, and try to remind yourself what's around you

464
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: in the present moment to calm you down. I think

465
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: it's a good tool. Yeah, but I can't imagine being

466
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 1: good and disciplined enough to do that every day all

467
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: day now.

468
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 2: It's an unconscious thing. I just know to do that

469
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: in the day, like I notice things, because it gives

470
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: me the fascination about what is happening in my life

471
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: at that moment, and that keeps me very focused. I

472
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: was talking to someone yesterday about you know, we were

473
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: talking about tattoos just now, and I think that sometimes

474
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: even the process of being tattooed keeps me very present.

475
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: It keeps me very human, because there's nothing more human

476
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: than experiencing a little bit pain. Yes, you know, and

477
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: that's the one thing that we can all sort of

478
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: commune on. We know what pain feels like, different for

479
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: everyone else, but we all experience it at some point.

480
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: Do you have a high tolerance? I have a very

481
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 2: high time. Well, yeah, so you said your back is

482
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 2: done and my back is done. But I don't even

483
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: think it's a high tolerance. I think it is an

484
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: acknowledgement of it and then knowing that it will change.

485
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: Because the pain is there when you're getting tattooed. It

486
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: is there. It doesn't go away, and it can be

487
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: okay and it can be unbearable. But the noticing of

488
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: it means that you acknowledge it and then you can

489
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: be okay with it. And so when you then see

490
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: you haven't gone to that long it's yet. But it's

491
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: also that this has been a practice of mine. You know,

492
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: I've been doing it for such a long time that

493
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: I can sit for this took seven hours, So I

494
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 2: can sit for seven hours and go, Okay, I'm noticing

495
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: because it brings me to myself, it brings you. There's

496
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: a humanity in it. Okay, I know what this feels like.

497
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm noticing it.

498
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: You could talk yourself through anything, that's pretty great.

499
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is like the internal voice that is

500
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: that that helps you to move through things.

501
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are both capricorns. I am a January ninth

502
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: baby eighth. Right, Yeah, yes, I think there's a cap Yes,

503
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: do you tell Okay? Okay, I do. I think some

504
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: people are like I don't believe it, But I do.

505
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: I do believe it. I do as well. I think

506
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: we say what we mean, yes, what we say very much.

507
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: So sometimes we can be misinterpreted as like being not

508
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: showing emotion or being too stern or something like. But

509
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: it's we are very vulnerable. Yes, we are vulnerable and

510
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: very emotional. We just show it in different ways. I

511
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: told you I just was crying watching your Instagram face.

512
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: Different way. That was very email today. Yeah, you know.

513
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: But we're also problem solvers.

514
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: Yes, we absolute problems before we go to the and

515
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: you just to number ten, we get. We were like, okay,

516
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: so it's we're at a two right now, how do

517
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: we avoid getting to a number five? You know? And

518
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: if we get to a number ten, everyone should be

519
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: out of the space. Yes, leave, we leave, Yes, now,

520
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: don't want it a number ten, so we but we

521
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: also are aware that us at number ten is not

522
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: what anyone wants, so.

523
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: Even ourself, we don't even want it.

524
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: So we avoid getting to number ten by by figuring

525
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: out what we need to do between one and five.

526
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: By being thoughtful and strategic exactly. See, we get, we

527
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: understand each other.

528
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: But we also take care of so many people, we

529
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: care about people. We're the ones that go if you

530
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 2: need advice, go and find a Capricorn. They probably will

531
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: be able to help you.

532
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: It's amazing advice. Yeah nothing. If you get nothing else

533
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: from today, find you at Capricorred some advice. I also

534
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: have a thing with that. It was on my bucket list.

535
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still on the hair. Yes,

536
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: I have always been fascinated with people who have not

537
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: been afraid to let go of your hair. Oh my godness, Like,

538
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how amazing. I don't know that

539
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: I have a very large scalp. I don't know that

540
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: it would be cute on me. I'm gonna be honest,

541
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: And when I say that, people are like, oh no,

542
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: But I envy it so much and I almost dream

543
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: of doing it. But I think the freedom that I

544
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: imagine comes with it.

545
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: But wouldn't that be more valuable to you than what

546
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: other people think, Yes, it looks like on you.

547
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: Yes, it would be more of the fear of what

548
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: I think it looks on me.

549
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: But the thing you just expressed was not what you

550
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: think it will look like on you, but how freeing feel,

551
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: how it would feel.

552
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but to see for your lovely scalp and face.

553
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: You could feel good and also look good. But I

554
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: had no idea what it would look like until I

555
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: did it. You see what I'm saying? Did you? But

556
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: do you? Maybe could have guessed No.

557
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: I just was like, get it off if it needs

558
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: and I what was the thing to get? What was

559
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: the progressively cutting my hair shorter and shorter. Since I

560
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: was twenty three when I left drama school, I know

561
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: I wanted short hair, and I went to the hairdressers

562
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: to cut it, and she wouldn't cut the whole thing

563
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: and she left me with like some length to play with,

564
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't I don't want yeah,

565
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 2: I'd hate this cut it off, And bit by bit

566
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: I kept going back and getting her to cut it short,

567
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: until she was like, I can't cut anymore. I don't

568
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: want you. I don't want to do this, and I

569
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: grew it naturally and went back. I went to a

570
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: barber shop, which is very scary to go to men's

571
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: men's men's barber shop on your own, to just be like,

572
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: i'd like you to cut this off, please, And so

573
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: they were like are you sure? I was like, yes,

574
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: I would like you to shave it and give me

575
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: a Caesar cut. At least it was very low. And

576
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: then I sort of like stayed there.

577
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: For a bit. And then were you by yourself when

578
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: you did this? Yes, fearless or fear? Was there fear

579
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: or no fear?

580
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: Only for walking into a barber shop because I had

581
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: never done it before.

582
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: It's lovely. I have two sons, so I love the

583
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: barber shop. Yeah. But and then it was delightful, and

584
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: so I going.

585
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: And then I when I came to New York, my

586
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: hair was a little bit longer, and I was playing

587
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: with different but again I would be like it would

588
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: get to a certain event, I'd be like, just I

589
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: need it cut short. And then when we got to Wicked,

590
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: my scalp needed to be green because the wig was

591
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: you could see my scalp. It was a very good

592
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: wig and you could see everything underneath it, and the

593
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: scalp needed to be green, and so they needed to

594
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: spray my scalp. And the only way this wig would

595
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: work was not with hair, but with a with a

596
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: bald head. So I say, okay, well, fearless, I guess

597
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: shave it off then yeah, And for me, I was

598
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: like what gets me closer to this moment, what gets

599
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: me closer to this character? And shaving my head was it.

600
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: And when I shaved it, I was like, I'm never

601
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: going back. Really, I loved it.

602
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: Tell me what that feels like.

603
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 2: It's the most freeing, most refreshing thing ever. There is

604
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: nothing like if it's really hot with someone's cold hand

605
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: on the back of your head.

606
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: It is like heaven.

607
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: Like heaven when you wake up in the morning and

608
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: the only thing you have to do is get ready

609
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: and you don't have to touch your head at all.

610
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: With no hair nothing. You don't have to have a

611
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: hair person. I shave it myself. I currently just shave

612
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: my head myself. Wow. I learned how to do it,

613
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: and I was fine. I think about that, and I

614
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: think about how much I hate to make Sorry Tom Squad,

615
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: I cannot for more than fifty five minutes sit in

616
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: the makeup, hair and makeup chair. I want to start

617
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: losing my mind. I can't take it. The thought of

618
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: just I think about women and how much I mean,

619
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: Chris Rock did a whole like documentary about it. But

620
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: like how much effort time it takes to emotion energy

621
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: goes into hair all the time, and I think, how

622
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: wonderful must it be to be free of that.

623
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 2: I think I also loved the idea of people just

624
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: seeing me. I can't hide behind anything. Yeah, you have

625
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: my eyes, you have my nose, you have my mouth,

626
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: this is what I look like. And I think there's

627
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: a vulnerability to being like, hey, this is this is it?

628
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Does anybody in your life have reaction to this when

629
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: you do it? Like? Do you have?

630
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: I think my mum was worried a little bit for

631
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: a small time. It's just like a like what if

632
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: you get cold? I was like, I'll wear a hat

633
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: I get cold.

634
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I saw you, I said, with the little green head.

635
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: It was food.

636
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: It's like, this is what it is and I but

637
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: everyone else is fine. I think they're also used to me,

638
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: just sort of doing what is right. Yeah, yeah it's fine.

639
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: You're an artist. Yeah yeah, yeah, you get away. You

640
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: can get away with stuff that not everybody could get

641
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: away with. Well.

642
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: The thing is, I think it's a rite of passage.

643
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: I think everyone should shave their head at one point

644
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: in their lives just to feel what it's like to

645
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: have nothing to hide behind and to just be like

646
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: to accept all of you, your flaws, all of the things.

647
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Whatever your scalp looks like, whatever your face looks like, you.

648
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: See it all.

649
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: You know, because hair frames the face, of course it does.

650
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: We make it to frame the face, yes, and when

651
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: you take it away, your face is the frame. And

652
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: I think that's a very vulnerable thing to be able

653
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: to do. And I know it some like some people

654
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 2: are like, why doesn't she have hair? She should have hair,

655
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: she look she would look better with hair. But it's

656
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: also like I don't want it.

657
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't want it. Yes, I don't.

658
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: I don't think I need it, And and I think

659
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm okay to think I don't need it. And even

660
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: if you think I do need it, that's also okay.

661
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: You have it.

662
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: You know. I love that for you, but I don't

663
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: want it for me. And I think there's there is

664
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: a way that I moved through my life now because

665
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: I don't have hair. That actually, strangely makes me feel

666
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: so much more confident in who I am because there's

667
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: nothing to hide behind. You just see me, you know.

668
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I love that. I don't I'm not ready, but before

669
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I leave this earth, yeah, I have to do that. Please,

670
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: do you have to have that? It has to be eyebrows,

671
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: no hair, I mean no hair, Yeah, no, no nothing.

672
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I have no eyebrows. You know. Notice? Yeah I don't.

673
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: It looks like a light eyebrow. You have a light eyebrow.

674
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. I have no So will you shave

675
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: the eyebrows? Do in this morning? I don't know everybody's

676
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: as beautiful with no hair nor eye. I'm gonna be honest.

677
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: I have to be honest because I don't know if

678
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: this works. I don't know if it if it works,

679
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it works for me, But I

680
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: want to have that experience at some point in my life. Yeah,

681
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: maybe when I'm a little bit older, like less. I

682
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, we day when you're just like I

683
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm pretty less. I'm pretty minimally concerned about

684
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: what people think. But I don't know that I'm all

685
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: the way there. Yeah, only because I don't have a

686
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of confidence. And what this is going to do

687
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: for what it looks like, I think you're a beautiful

688
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: be red, you know what I mean? So I don't.

689
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: It won't.

690
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: All it will do is make me look at your

691
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: features even more. You have the most beautiful face and

692
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you know? All do is end up looking

693
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: into your eyes.

694
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Very tempted, very tempting when you're already okay, But you

695
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: do think that everybody else, I think everybody once in

696
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: their life, once in their life. What what are what

697
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: is something else that everybody should do once in their life?

698
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: Something else? Be in love? Yes, at least once in

699
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: your life. Yes, be in love. Lose love? Oh, I

700
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: think those are the things. Why do you have to

701
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: lose love? If you lose love, you know how valuable

702
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: it is to have. That's why it doesn't feel good

703
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: in the moment. No, it doesn't. Have you ever had

704
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: a devastating heartbreak? Yes? Yes? Did anybody warn you how

705
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: bad that was going to be?

706
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: No? But I'm glad for it, really, And when I

707
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, yes, because to lose it means that you

708
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: can have it if you don't, and you understand that,

709
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: it means something. You know, we can be frivolous with

710
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: love when we have it because we don't really understand it.

711
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: But when you lose it and you think and to

712
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: you in that moment, it really is love. You know

713
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: how valuable it is when you have it? Yes, So

714
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: if you gain it again.

715
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: You'll be careful with what do you tell yourself in

716
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the moment where you're laying in the bathroom floor, Well,

717
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: can you tell it? That's my image? By the way,

718
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: when you're heart broken. Yeah, if you're laying on the.

719
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: Hotel room on sat on the floor by my bed

720
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: and it's desperately sad, you know, you don't think it

721
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: will ever pin will ever go away again. You don't

722
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: think that your heart will mend, but it does, it does,

723
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: and you keep some of those memories, but but you

724
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: have to you do eventually just let them go. You

725
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: realize that that person wasn't right for you now. They

726
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: maybe were right for you when you were with them,

727
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: but maybe they weren't meant to be with you in

728
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: the now. Yah for what's coming. And often again this

729
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: is why I know that there's something watching over. It

730
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: was it's right right, that's right.

731
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: They were right. He was right, he was right, They

732
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: was right right. Yeah. Okay, so we have to fall

733
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: in love, lose love. Yes, shave our heads, shave head,

734
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: shave your head. Yes. What else? What is on your

735
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: bucket list? Do you have something you want to do

736
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: in real life before before it's over.

737
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: I want to play a stadium. I've never sung in

738
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: a stadium. I would to sing my music in a stadium.

739
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: And I've already given myself the challenge of playing all

740
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: the big opera houses in the world. So I want

741
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: to be in Tokyo, I want to be in Sydney.

742
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: I want to do Carnegie Hall. I want to do

743
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: the Royal alber Hall again. I sort of want to

744
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: find all those places and sing and sing my music.

745
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: I haven't done that yet.

746
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: So this album is out now people get to experience

747
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: you in this new way. The song Grace on the album,

748
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: maybe you could just tell us about that.

749
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, we were asked while we was sort of

750
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: while the movie was being put together and were starting

751
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: to give people Wicked and we were starting to get

752
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: on the road and do this press for it to

753
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: share the film with a young woman who was terminally ill.

754
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: And when they asked us, we said, well, of course, yes,

755
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: show her the movie. And when she saw the movie,

756
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: she sent a video and it was so sweet. She

757
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: was so funny and she was sharing everything she liked

758
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: about She's thirteen, and I sent her a video back

759
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: to say thank you and thank you for the words

760
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: that he was saying. It's very sweet and all that.

761
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: And she sent me a video back, and I sent

762
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: her something back, and her family said these videos auld

763
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: bring her a lot of joy. And so I said, well,

764
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: if at any point she wants to speak to me

765
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: in real life, I'll FaceTime.

766
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Let's do that. I'll do it in real life.

767
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: And so one day, I'm on the way to the

768
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: studio to write a song and I don't know what

769
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to write about, and I get a call

770
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: from her auntie who says that she's awake and we

771
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: should talk because she would sleep a lot.

772
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: She was very tired.

773
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: And I found out that that's something that happens towards

774
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: the end of your life, and you get very tired,

775
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: you sleep a lot.

776
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: And so she.

777
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: Was awake in this moment, and I wanted to FaceTime.

778
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: So I get to the studio and I put my

779
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: bags and I go outside and I say, and I

780
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: FaceTime her, and she's awake and we're talking about things,

781
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: and she's just very very sweet and a little bit tired,

782
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: but there and we speak for like twenty minutes, which

783
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: is a big deal because for her to be up

784
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: and talking for that amount of time. It's like her

785
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: talking for a day, and she's.

786
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: Speaking to you as somebody that she probably admires. Yes,

787
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: this film. You hadn't ever met her personally. No, she's

788
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: a fan of the film. Yeah, that's right.

789
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: So now she's speaking to me as me, and we're

790
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: having these really beautiful conversations. And it just dawned on

791
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: me that I wanted when I put that phone down,

792
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: that I wanted to write a song about just like

793
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: the goodbyes that come too soon but leave us with

794
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: something good, you know, that were meant to take away

795
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: with us after someone or something has gone right. And

796
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: I felt like that was the perfect way to end

797
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: this journey that had been on a musically because it

798
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: says something about how we let things go and how

799
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: we keep a hold of things. I called it Grace

800
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: because that was her name, and I love the sentiment

801
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: of grace. To give someone grace, to be given grace, grace,

802
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: to share grace, to do something with grace. It's just

803
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: a lovely sentiment. And to be able to forgive means

804
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: you have grace on your side that you have to

805
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: you have to extend grace to forgive someone. And so

806
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: it just was the perfect thing to end the album

807
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: with her voices.

808
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: On this album.

809
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's what closes the album is from a

810
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: video that she sent me and she says simply, I

811
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: feel you, I love everything you did, and I love you.

812
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: And I just thought it was one of the most

813
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: wonderful ways to close this album that everyone listening the

814
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: last words they would hear is I love you, because

815
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: those are the other very hard words to say, and

816
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: I think that those are the words that encourage us

817
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: to say the other three words, I forgive you as well,

818
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: which is the name of the album. Yeah, yeah, wow,

819
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: And she has she's passed it since. Yeah, her family

820
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: must love that song. Yeah, yeah, they know. And I

821
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: asked for permission and they've been They've been so lovely

822
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: and kind, and I hoped that it would bring comfort

823
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: to them and that they get to hear have waste

824
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: And she's still around, And I kind of imagine that

825
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: she would be quite pleased about the fact that she

826
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: could still be hanging around and she gets to be

827
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: on an album and she have voices still.

828
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: That isn't that funny too, that we were talking about that. Yeah,

829
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: people stay with us even after they've they've gone on.

830
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Yeah, and so in terms of going

831
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: back to like things we should do while we're here, Yeah,

832
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: you say and be in love and you end with

833
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I love you. But even the album Yeah, I Forgive, Give,

834
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: to Forgive is also something that at some point you must,

835
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: you must, yeah, seldom and others. Yeah, So what is that?

836
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: What is the idea behind that naming the album.

837
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: That it's that that we that we because I know

838
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: that we find it hard as human beings to extend

839
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: forgiveness to anyone, including ourselves, when things go wrong, when

840
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: things don't go the way we plan them to, when

841
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: we hurt others, when others hurt us. This album is

842
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: sort of a story of there's there's love lost and

843
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: heartbreak not just from another person but myself breaking another

844
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: person's heart. Or there's moments in it where where you

845
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: find passion and you find new new relationships and the

846
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: way we are when we're in those moments, and then

847
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: that moment at the end, which is this fourth section.

848
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: It's about looking back on all of it and the

849
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: journey of all of it and how you can let

850
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: some of the things that you've learned go and you

851
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: can hank hold onto the two things, and in doing that,

852
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: you are allowing the space for yourself to be forgiven

853
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: and to forgive.

854
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's why I called it that. Yeah, I forgive,

855
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: I forgive you, I forgive you. Yeah beautiful. Yeah, now

856
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: the world gets to hear it. Yes, you must be

857
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: so as exciting or scary or all the things.

858
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it's exciting and it's scary. It's like exciting because

859
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of it. It's scary because it's very personal.

860
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: But there's an excitement to be able to share myself

861
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: in that way and to be able to step into

862
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: my own as a as a musician and as as

863
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: an artist.

864
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: Oh what an exciting time is about to be for you. Yeah,

865
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: it's like a whole new box or door. Yeah, it

866
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: gets on lock. Okay, so in real life, okay, I

867
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: have in Well, first of all, we usually start the

868
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: interview with this, We ask you how happy are you

869
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten today? Today I

870
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: am a nine and a half. If you want room

871
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: to grow, But that's pretty good.

872
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do you normally operate I currently I've been

873
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: operating around that space wood for you feel very good

874
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: in myself good, I feel really, I feel really good.

875
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: What what could take you down? What?

876
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: What?

877
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: What is the fact what takes you down and what

878
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: brings you back up?

879
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: At this moment in time, I don't know what could

880
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: take I think really and truly if it's a loss,

881
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: a loss of someone would take me down. That's it

882
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: has to be as extreme as that.

883
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: Wow, because I.

884
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: Don't think someone else's stuff can move me from where

885
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: I am, because of because of how I operate now,

886
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: I think I can acknowledge a person's things or how

887
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: people are feeling and be present for them.

888
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: But in myself, I feel really good. What if you

889
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: learned in real life about We talked about forgiveness but

890
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: love and that everybody should have. But what has been

891
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: your biggest lesson about love?

892
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: That love in its best form is not transactional and

893
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: it is not conditional. That love is more than the

894
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: word love. It is that acceptance of a person fully

895
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: of who they are. Yes, and it's an action. It

896
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: is also making the space for that person to grow

897
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: into who they're meant to be. That actually is real love.

898
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: Someone said, you are if you're in relationship, you're essentially

899
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: walking each other home. If you find real love, you're

900
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: walking each other home. Essentially, you are walking with a

901
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: person throughout each other's life and hopefully, if you're meant

902
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: to be with each other for as long as you live,

903
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: you're walking them to where they're destiny nation might be.

904
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: And in doing that, you have to make room for

905
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: who they are and the changes that they go through

906
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: and who they become and who they become and who

907
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: they become and who they become, right, you have to

908
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: make room for who they change into. And if if

909
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: you're both serving that purpose for the best of that person,

910
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: you're creating space to see the best of the person,

911
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: then that is what love is meant to be. That's beautiful,

912
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: you know, and you won't always see the best of

913
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: that person, but the patience has to come in and

914
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: to be able to see that, oh, this, this person

915
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: needs more room to explore what it is that will

916
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: bring them back to themselves. It's the negotiation of making

917
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: sure that we're always giving a person space to grow.

918
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: Must be really important for somebody like you to artists

919
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: and free and you're always kind of be trying to

920
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: be present, be the version of yourself that you are today. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

921
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: with the wrong partner. Actually it doesn't work.

922
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: Impossible, Yeah, it doesn't work because because you don't feel

923
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: the freedom you need to just try try things, little things,

924
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, I think I want to make my head

925
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: blue today, and maybe that person is like, no, no, no, don't

926
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: don't do that, it's going to be embarrassing. Or I

927
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: think I want to get a new piercing. I want

928
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: to get myself in pierce because I think it might

929
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: be what I meant to do. No, no, no, that's

930
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: really don't do that. That's not really Now now you're

931
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: now being your full artist, like exactly now you're diminishing

932
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: certain things very much. So we try and make people

933
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: the way we want them to be as opposed to Well,

934
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: if that does that make you happy? Will it bring

935
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: you closer to who you are meant to be? Will

936
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: it bring you closer to like the real version of yourself?

937
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: Because if that's what it does, I gained something. I

938
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: gained something. If I get to see you become even

939
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: more of yourself, then you know that I could have

940
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: imagined it means more of you.

941
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: We got to check ourselves. Maybe yes, that we're not

942
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: also demanding that from our partners. Yeah, you know what

943
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's right, folding up, folding, yeah, yeah, trying

944
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: to please yeah some because also you try to please

945
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah someone you know what they like. So

946
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: then you wind up becoming a different version of yourself.

947
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: Which does that serve? And it doesn't sustain. You can't

948
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: pretend to be someone else forever. Eventually the person who

949
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: you're meant to be is going to show up. And

950
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: when that person shows up, and you haven't been that

951
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: person this entire time, the person who you are with, like,

952
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know this stranger, I don't know this person,

953
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: but that person has always existed. You've just been hiding them. Yes, Oh,

954
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: you just gave somebody a bar. Somebody at all needed

955
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: to hear that today. Somebody needed that today in real life?

956
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: What do you hold people? What do you hope people

957
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: receive from the work you do? And that where lands

958
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: in the world.

959
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: I hope I can't tell people what to receive. I

960
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: hope that the bare minimum that they can receive from

961
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: this is the fact that there is humanity in this work,

962
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: that I am an imperfect human being that simply wants

963
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: to share some of her story. What you take from

964
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: the story is up to you, but know that it

965
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: comes from honesty and vulnerability.

966
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about your legacy? You play all

967
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: these legends, you play all these aritha and yeah.

968
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if I think about my legacy. Beyond that,

969
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: I hope people think I'm a good person, even that

970
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: I can't control. You know, what happens after I'm gone

971
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: is not my business.

972
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Word.

973
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: I can't do anything about that. I can't change it.

974
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: I can only do put my footprints in the sand

975
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: right now, and whatever people see in it, I hope

976
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: they can gain something good from it.

977
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: But I can only hope. I can never know for sure.

978
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: Do you have a speech ready if you win that? Asker?

979
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: I have no speech ready. I never have a speech

980
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: ready for I really don't you.

981
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: Peaches are too dead. No.

982
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: I Sometimes I've written the speech the night before. Sometimes

983
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: I've written because I because I wait, I wait for

984
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: the for the for the reason to drop in before

985
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: I write the speech. You'll notice that a lot of

986
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: the speeches, even if they're an award given to me,

987
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: have nothing to do really with me at all. It's

988
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: really a reflection of what I want for other people.

989
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Because that's what drops in in the moment.

990
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't make it. See I'm putting it in

991
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: the universe for you. Thank you. Then you'll have the time.

992
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: Thank you. I know you tried to ignore it, but

993
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: there is an egot lingering. It's hovering walking around you. Kindly.

994
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: It's like on you. If it doesn't happen this time,

995
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. So it's it's guaranteed universe. Congratulations

996
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: on a beautiful, beautiful body. Thank you. It was wonderful

997
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: to have you today.

998
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: Thank you for having CD in real life and spe