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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, welcome back to Between the Horn present about

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Speaker 1: your southern California Toyota dealers. I'm JD. Long and the

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Speaker 1: Rams are back in the win column and heading to

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Speaker 1: Lambo for Monday Night football. Got a great group joining

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Speaker 1: us for this show, DeMarco far As always, Erica Tampozzi,

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Speaker 1: and Stu Jackson stepping in for m j D, who

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Speaker 1: is on assignment in Buffalo, presumably getting tuned up for

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Speaker 1: the cold temperatures that we are set to endure on

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Speaker 1: the frozen tundra. DeMarco, let's start with you. You are

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Speaker 1: an absolute soldier and we appreciate you volunteering to be

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Speaker 1: down there on the field under the lights in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm excited, man, I really am. This is

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Speaker 1: a Lambeau, it's cold, both teams need to win. It's

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You better appreciate him. Why you can, because

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Speaker 1: there's more behind than in front for him. So someday

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Speaker 1: he's going to cycle out, possibly next season, so this

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Speaker 1: will be fun. Weather aside, Like I said, this is

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Speaker 1: this is not for the week. This is for the tough.

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Speaker 1: So they chose me to go down to the sideline

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Speaker 1: and enjoy this game. Absolutely. Bobby Wagner says, no sleeves.

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Speaker 1: It's not his m How about you? Who did I

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Speaker 1: tell you? I told you right after all access, I

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Speaker 1: bet Bobby Wagner won't be wearing sleeves. It's a badge

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Speaker 1: of honor. The colder it gets, the more meat you

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Speaker 1: have to show. As players Erica has fled for warmer climbs,

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Speaker 1: it looks like not your traditional backdrop. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us on remote. Yeah, absolutely, I'm in Florida for

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Speaker 1: a couple of days. I wanted to just like soak

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Speaker 1: just to make sure that we're all even here. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for passing that along. And many have said that Stu

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Speaker 1: is basically a rich man's Maurice Jones Drew, so we're

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Speaker 1: happy to have him substitute into the rotation. Stu, what's

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Speaker 1: the week been like at the facility with the Rams

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Speaker 1: having a long week to enjoy a much deserved victory. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's been really a bit really positive. Understandably, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, a thrilling comeback win like that, and as

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Speaker 1: also just you know, getting another primetime opportunity here heading

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Speaker 1: for this one and really looking forward to it. To

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Speaker 1: that point, how are Sean McVay and Baker Mayfield and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Rams trying to use the momentum

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Speaker 1: it's really just Baker basically said he's taking a deep

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Speaker 1: You know, that's also something that's helped him too. So

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Speaker 1: entire playbook, which would require months, if not years of experience,

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Speaker 1: in it for these Green Bay Packers, an opponent that

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Speaker 1: McVeigh and the Rams are more than familiar with and

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Speaker 1: against him. Baker played last Christmas at lambeau Field. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think. He said during open locker room

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Speaker 1: say that DeMarco, what does he need to do better

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Speaker 1: So I thought the comeback was great. And to Stu's point,

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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure this out, and I think

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Speaker 1: we've all been, you know, to that I Love you

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Speaker 1: man stage where you having a good time and you

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Speaker 1: So is the excitement around the team based on that

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Speaker 1: Or was it Baker Mayfield that's providing the spark? Is

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Speaker 1: everybody excited about him or about the win? So to

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Speaker 1: answer both questions, lead the football team. Be a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: or hate him, He's got a hell of a resume,

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Speaker 1: of the franchise, be that guy. But also engross yourself

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Speaker 1: into this offense and be as good as you can

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Speaker 1: running this offense for Sean McVay. So we said this

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Speaker 1: on All Access JB. I think Sean McVay stuff, whatever

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Speaker 1: Bay into having eye violations. That's a Maurice Jones Drew term.

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Speaker 1: You'll have chances to make plays. They're gonna get you

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Speaker 1: If you stay on point and stay stay on schedule

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Speaker 1: chance to upset Green Bay. In green Bay, so make

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Speaker 1: the layoups. Beating the Raiders was about hitting on some

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Speaker 1: great way to sum it up. Look, I thought the

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Speaker 1: much different challenge when you look at the Packers defense,

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Speaker 1: So in terms of what the Rams look to exploit

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Speaker 1: And so if there's a way that you can strike

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Speaker 1: Whoa everybody? Yeah, this is this is groundbreaking. No, it's great.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing cam Akers get in the touch, getting in

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Speaker 1: for Kyron Williams to be getting some of these explosive

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Speaker 1: that you just said that isn't as great at stopping

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Speaker 1: spying Marco you've seen at at field level several years

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Speaker 1: about what the Rams are walking into here coming off thereby.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. And they love to torture, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ricky just said, We're gonna keep bringing up cold. They

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Speaker 1: love that. They love the fact that you're worried about

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Speaker 1: and then can throw back here ala Matthew Stafford, but

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Speaker 1: the defense. But here's where it differs from Stafford. Once

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Speaker 1: he does make that play on you, he'll give you

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