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Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It's

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Speaker 1: hour two. It's a Monday. The first hour flew by.

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Speaker 1: If you missed it, I said nice stuff about brock Purty,

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Speaker 1: So you know we're taking swings here in the Herd

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Speaker 1: on a Monday. Matt Hasselbeck is around the corner. Dion

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Speaker 1: Dawkins today, tonight's Bears Vikings. We're going to get into

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Speaker 1: that last hour. I like Minnesota tonight without further ado.

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Speaker 1: We do it every week at this time. Colin right,

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Speaker 1: Colin wrong?

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Well, the Kansas City Chiefs regression is clear. I had

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Speaker 1: said last week, I'd pro take the Chargers. The O

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Speaker 1: line issues, the run game, where is it? The wide

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Speaker 1: receiver corps was thin going into the game. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: winless team in their division. I thought Mahomes was amazing,

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Speaker 1: But when you watch the Ravens or the Packers or

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert against Steve

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Speaker 2: Receiving corps where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Listen, he's a statue at this point and got sacked

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Speaker 1: four times. But I thought Aaron Rodgers was really strong

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Speaker 1: am here for leadership and distribution and elevating others, so

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Speaker 1: he knows what he is. Seven of nine in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter with a couple of touchdowns, and he took shots.

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Speaker 1: He took a shot Joe Burrow and him took shots

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Speaker 1: this weekend of nine two touchdowns. And again I don't

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Speaker 1: love Pittsburgh's offensive line. They don't they don't run the

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Speaker 2: Was impressive where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said it after the Hall of Fame game, Detroit

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Speaker 1: does not look right. You can't replace two elite coordinators

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Speaker 1: It's not the same two point one yards per carry.

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Speaker 1: They're rebuilding the interior line. Ben Johnson was the sharpest

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Speaker 1: even in the preseason. The Lions will not be as

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Speaker 1: well coached a football team where Colin was wronged. The

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys lost, but I thought Brian Schottenheimer had them

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Speaker 1: first half clock management. They had very few penalties. I

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Speaker 1: no way you could come out of that game, whether

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Speaker 2: I was wrong where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Well, college football's bumpy for Bill Belichick. He won't let

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was wrong. What a done by New England.

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Speaker 1: Well, Miami Dolphins were cooked. I said, two years yars ago,

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Speaker 1: When you watch those two teams play, Colts had way

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Speaker 1: Every scout, every executive in the league I talked to

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has himself today as a rookie game one,

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Speaker 1: a star. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, Well,

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Speaker 1: he engineered six playoff appearances with the Seahawks. Matt Hasselbeck

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could add my favorite part of this show

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Speaker 3: is where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. I

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Speaker 4: It's fun. I enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I was wrong plenty. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get Let's just get to last night. And I

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Speaker 1: said before when Baltimore wins, if I didn't see the game,

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Speaker 1: I would suspect Lamar played great, but when Buffalo wins

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Speaker 3: I mean that game was incredible, Listen. I was watching

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Speaker 4: It's amazing. But then in the back of my head,

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Speaker 3: That Josh Allen can just go cut it loose, put

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Speaker 3: what he did. I mean, like it was just it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we see another epic

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Speaker 4: I think there's some guys that are just built different.

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen's built different, Lamar Jackson's built different. I could

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Speaker 3: go back to Buffalo and do it. Yeah, And he's

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Speaker 4: And that's why I was such a great game to watch.

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Speaker 1: It was I said this, and this was not a

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Speaker 1: that was easily the best I've seen justin fields play.

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Speaker 1: And Matt, this is something you've taught me and others

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Speaker 1: You wake up this morning, you got to feel pretty

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Speaker 4: Know, I said, I sort of felt like.

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Speaker 3: It was like a high school reunion. You're trying to

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Speaker 3: both quarterbacks were like, man, I got to be my best.

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Speaker 3: I'm the one that got away like that.

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Speaker 4: That's what looked like for both quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: And I think people rallied around those both quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 3: I just thought the identity of what both teams are

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Speaker 4: I thought justin Fields was I think he was good,

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Speaker 3: And and you know, obviously he's a great runner, but

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Speaker 3: on the flip side. Aaron Rodgers once was great with

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean he's a great coach.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe one of the best, maybe the best

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Speaker 1: Finally, if I suggested to you that the Raiders are

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Speaker 1: It's hard, Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll. I don't overreact, Matt.

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Speaker 3: It's hard not to overreact, but I mean it was

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Speaker 4: I'm impressed with Pete Carroll, the oldest head coach ever.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He hates when I say that, so I say it more.

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Speaker 3: Talked about culture and identity and how we talk in

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Chip Kelly way underrated, Gino Smith underrated Max Crosby. Game

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Speaker 4: They're gonna go get it. This is a game that

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Speaker 3: I think it's a long season, but this was a

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, What a fun weekend we had Bears Vikings tonight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to get in that

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Speaker 3: You know exactly what you're gonna get tonight, you know exactly.

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Speaker 1: To keep your eye on Brian Flores and Caleb Williams

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Speaker 5: They were fine. The Patriots looked inferior.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask yourself this next week at half Giants trail

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Speaker 5: Lasting the season.

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Speaker 7: LeVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce

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Speaker 2: Oh Bears Vikings tonight.

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Speaker 1: At the end of next hour, we're gonna bring on

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Speaker 1: Tid Dunn, who has a three part expose on what

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Speaker 1: a disaster, Caleb Williams rookie year behind the scenes troubling

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Speaker 1: if you're a Bears fan. They host the Vikings tonight.

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Speaker 1: I think Minnesota is a one and a half point favorite.

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Speaker 1: I like the Vikings. I think Brian Flores against young

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks is a problem.

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Speaker 2: Here's J Mack with.

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Speaker 4: A news, no.

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Speaker 2: News, this is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 6: Let's start with a game call that we totally nailed

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Speaker 6: Texans Rams.

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Speaker 1: The under was a no sweat first ever under bet

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Speaker 1: the Blazing five.

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Speaker 6: So easy Rams win fourteen to nine. It was tough,

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Speaker 6: it was It was a you know, kind of an

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Speaker 6: unwatchable game.

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Speaker 5: As we predicted.

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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 6: Stroud did not have a good go They settled for

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Speaker 6: three field goals in the first half, one hundred and

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Speaker 6: twenty one total net yards in the second half, two turnovers,

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Speaker 6: and I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Like this from CJ. Stroud after the game.

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Speaker 9: Take a listen, you come out in NFL LOLLI gaging

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Speaker 9: and you know, not going through themotions. I'm that kind

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Speaker 9: of what happened. So I think we'll be all right.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's a good way I'll call for

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Speaker 9: for me, you know, preparing. I got to do a

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Speaker 9: better job, and I also got to hold my guys accountable,

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Speaker 9: you know, for that one anxiety and it's the first

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Speaker 9: thing of the year. We got a lot of exiety

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Speaker 9: looks we did not expect.

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Speaker 4: They did too.

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Speaker 2: They made the play, So.

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Speaker 4: You can come with a million excuses. We got to

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Speaker 4: just be better.

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Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, these are excellent defenses. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Frisk Jared Verse. I just think I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: both teams a pass. There's a reason I put an

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Speaker 1: under in the blazing five. These huge and Demiko Ryans

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Speaker 1: and the Rams. This game had seventeen to fourteen written.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Lit's send. Houston was driving for the win,

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Speaker 1: they were and Landerman, that side linebacker made a great play.

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Speaker 1: So I mean this is one it's staffords really good.

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Speaker 1: But I this was you're talking about two of the

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Speaker 1: top five or six defenses. I think Houston defense is excellent.

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Speaker 6: It is. Stafford had a pretty damn good game twenty

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Speaker 6: one of twenty nine, two hundred and forty five yards.

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Speaker 6: I think he had PFF turned in with the most

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Speaker 6: big time throws. He had a sick no look past. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: so I thought they played well. My thing about Stroud

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Speaker 6: is these comments aren't great. And did you notice when

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Speaker 6: he's running for his life he runs like directly backwards.

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Speaker 6: He's losing so many yards on these sacks and then

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Speaker 6: blaming the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I think they lost their center.

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Speaker 2: He was carted off. Well, they had four new starters,

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Speaker 2: lost their center.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this game on the road before you got

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Speaker 1: there looked like trouble This looked like a troublespan again,

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Speaker 1: they were driving for the win.

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Speaker 6: Did you see explosiveness anywhere on that offense? Like, I

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Speaker 6: get it, you know, Nick Chubb looked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Remember this defense.

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Speaker 1: The Rams held Jalen Hirs to like fifty sixty yards passing.

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Speaker 1: All right, this defense is gonna make a lot of

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Speaker 1: good quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Just click on the old Texans schedule.

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Speaker 6: Oh interesting, they host the Buccaneers next week. It looks

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Speaker 6: like Monday Night football. Baker Mayfield, CJ Stroud, who's the

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Speaker 6: best quarterback on the field.

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Speaker 5: In that one there? Cowherd?

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Speaker 2: Why do I always have to make choices? What that's fun?

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Speaker 6: We're talking about sports, it's sa ad. Anyways, all right,

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Speaker 6: let's move on to the next one. One of your

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Speaker 6: favorite teams, the Broncos. They did not look good. Oo

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Speaker 6: bow struggle biggest spread of the week, depending on the

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Speaker 6: number you got, they did not cover the eight and

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Speaker 6: a half bow Knicks was I mean struggled as being generous.

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Speaker 6: Look at that awful pocket awareness. He had a fumble,

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Speaker 6: two bad picks. I mean, look look at that throat,

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Speaker 6: what's he doing? And then he had a fourth down scramble.

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Speaker 6: He tried his own tush push and like tripped. It

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Speaker 6: was a total debacle. Bo Nicks did shout out the

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Speaker 6: defense afterward, which had six x.

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Speaker 10: It's the best feeling when you got a great defense.

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Speaker 10: I mean, just over and over.

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Speaker 4: They just kind of took a.

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Speaker 10: You know, got us out of the jam and continue

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Speaker 10: to do that throughout the game. The one that really

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Speaker 10: sticks out is you know they get the ball, you know,

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Speaker 10: down one and we get two.

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Speaker 4: Sacks and get him out of field for range.

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Speaker 10: Just that'll change the game in a hurry and changed

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Speaker 10: the you know environment, get guys back into the game.

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Speaker 4: And it was just it was awesome to see.

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Speaker 1: And also there is something to say here about Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton challenges his quarterbacks, like really challenges them. I felt Denver,

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Speaker 1: there's so much movement, so many substitutions. I felt several

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Speaker 1: times like bow Knicks was getting to the line with

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Speaker 1: ten seconds left. You got to get to the line

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Speaker 1: with twenty on the clock. So I feel like they're

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Speaker 1: you know, and Sean will do this. He is gonna

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Speaker 1: make He's gonna push you to the most you can handle.

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Speaker 1: Bow Knicks is in year two and I just thought, listen,

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Speaker 1: their old line's good. Courtland Sutton's excellent, Sean's a great coach,

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Speaker 1: The defense is a sea of orange. I think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be fine. I mean, they play how often in

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Speaker 1: the NFL can you play poorly and win well?

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Speaker 6: When you're facing a rookie quarterback at home, you better

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Speaker 6: get that doe.

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Speaker 5: But they struggled.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I know he's your boy, and I

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Speaker 6: like Sean Payton too.

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Speaker 5: Some of the stuff he was.

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Speaker 6: Calling yesterday, that foot down decision to chuck it deep.

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Speaker 5: I mean it came Tennessee the ball.

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Speaker 6: I didn't like what I saw at all from Denver

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Speaker 6: quickly on Tennessee. So cam Ward, if you just looked

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Speaker 6: at the stat line, twelve of twenty eight hundred and

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Speaker 6: twelve yards, so you're like, oh, he's not good. Did

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Speaker 6: you actually watch the game?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I watched he Pro Football Focus, zero turnover worthy plays.

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Speaker 5: He made good.

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Speaker 6: Decisions, four drops by the Titans, and his average depth

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Speaker 6: of target he's throwing the ball downfield. Jared Goff was

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Speaker 6: four yards yesterday, everything short, No, cam Ward was like eleven.

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Speaker 5: So I really like.

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Speaker 1: What I think he made. A throw was early in

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Speaker 1: the game. It may have been first quarter or early second.

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Speaker 1: It was a jail break like twelve. It felt like

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Speaker 1: there were thirteen Broncos in his face, and without looking,

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Speaker 1: he went like perpendicular. He went to his left, perfect

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Speaker 1: throwout in the flat, and I'm like, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how he saw that. Yeah, So all I know

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Speaker 1: about cam Mood is this. Some guys see the field

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Speaker 1: and some don't. That dude sees the field. He was

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Speaker 1: under the most pressure of any quarterback yesterday in the league.

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Speaker 1: He's got nothing to work with, and he is he

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Speaker 1: sees the entire field.

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Speaker 5: Instance Again, people.

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Speaker 6: Will say, well, they lost the bron I'm just telling

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Speaker 6: you they play the Rams this week and the line

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Speaker 6: is a touchdown and it's in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: I think you've got to bet the time Jeffrey Simmons,

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Speaker 6: by the way, was awesome. Besides that stupid penalty late.

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Speaker 6: I think this team is going to be very frisky.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine you're in a rookie in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and you face the Broncos pass rush and then the

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Speaker 1: Rams net that's not you two best defenses in the league.

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Speaker 6: I'm just telling you that division is going to be open.

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Speaker 6: I didn't like what I saw from the Texans. I

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Speaker 6: like what I saw from the Titans in defeat. Maybe

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Speaker 6: I'm going overboard, that's fine whatever. Final story, Colin, Oh,

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Speaker 6: let's get to the Giants. I tried to force feed

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Speaker 6: this a few minutes ago. This is Russell Wilson thing.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, what is he doing? Eliite Neighbors was

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Speaker 6: visibly angry with him on the sideline Russ under pressure

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Speaker 6: two of twelve for twenty six yard brutal. This is

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Speaker 6: a veteran took two sacks afterward. There's a lot of

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Speaker 6: questions about Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Russe.

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Speaker 11: Like I told you guys before, Russ was our quarterback.

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Speaker 11: I think what you do with your backup quarterback and

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Speaker 11: your third corvation, make sure you have enough packages in

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Speaker 11: if they go in the game, that is stuff that

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Speaker 11: they feel comfortable with.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see where we're at.

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Speaker 11: We're going to get home, pat, We're gonna look at

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Speaker 11: our game collectively.

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Speaker 2: We all got to do better.

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Speaker 1: I was just announced that Russell Willson and will start

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Speaker 1: in a week two against the.

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Speaker 6: Cowboys, to a chorus of booze from Giants fans. I

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Speaker 6: don't know what to make a Cowboys Giants this week?

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Speaker 6: What's the line four and a half?

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Speaker 5: I think it was.

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Speaker 6: It was at hold, it was three on the look ahead,

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Speaker 6: and now it's at five.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys favored by five.

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Speaker 6: I don't see how the Cowboys should be favored just

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Speaker 6: because they look.

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Speaker 5: Good against the Eagles and the opener.

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Speaker 2: Well, they get extra time. Maymember they get three extra

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Speaker 2: days of practice.

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Speaker 5: I need to see the injuries.

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Speaker 6: But uh I bet the Giants last week, so I'm

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Speaker 6: not doing it again. But I do think that they

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Speaker 6: will be free. That's gonna be a good game. Divisional matchup.

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Speaker 1: Week two is an interesting betting week as you can

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Speaker 1: really act, you can fall in love. Like everybody now

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Speaker 1: will sell their Patriot stock. New England has so many

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Speaker 1: new players. I think New England will look much different

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Speaker 1: and I think Denver will look much better in a week.

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Speaker 6: So by the way travels to Miami. So New England

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Speaker 6: Miami is good.

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Speaker 5: But just to put a bow on the Giants washing

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Speaker 5: a Z last year literally by almost every stat was

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Speaker 5: like bottom eight in the league.

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Speaker 6: And for the Giants to do nothing Colin was a

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Speaker 6: little troubling for Dable and Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: We'll see j Mack with a news. Well that's the

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Speaker 2: news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line news

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Speaker 2: tied down last hour.

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Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins is coming up the left tackle for the

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Speaker 1: Bills in a the most entertaining week one I can remember.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the one o'clock window was insane, but that

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Speaker 1: was one for the Ages and the man protecting the

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Speaker 1: backside of Josh Allen will be joining us around the corner.

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Speaker 6: It's a Big twelve showdown as Case State takes on

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Speaker 1: As predicted, Oklahoma hammered Michigan Michigan. Bryce Underwood's a really

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Speaker 1: talented receiver quarterback. They don't have a very good receivers.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of juice to their offense.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood's really good. But Oklahoma found their quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma's defense is all juniors and seniors hammered. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean they control the games. I mean Michigan is not

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Speaker 1: built to play from behind that receiving course. Though it

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Speaker 1: wasn't blowout city, Yeah, I would say Oklahoma has to

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Speaker 1: feel great like the Jets, they found their quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: mean you have to say this about justin fields, like

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Speaker 1: it's a thing where like in New York, these organizations

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Speaker 1: both since Eli Manning, it's.

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Speaker 2: Like you got you're looking for your quarterbacks. It's hard.

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Speaker 2: And my take with the Giants is play.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart because next year's quarterback draft is loaded.

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Speaker 2: Figure out if he can play.

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Speaker 5: You don't want to put him behind a line that

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Speaker 5: can't protect him.

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Speaker 6: Then he gets hurt or he just overwhelmed and you

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Speaker 6: kill the kids confidence.

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Speaker 5: So there's no rush.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 5: You need Andrew Thomas healthy, you need everybody healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I believe that's true. The other thing in this sounds.

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Speaker 1: Harsh is and this is always sound harsh, But when

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Speaker 1: you have good people in a company and you, you know,

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Speaker 1: we both have stakes in little companies, and you lose

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Speaker 1: somebody really good, you want to ideally hire somebody within

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Speaker 1: the building, right because you want to elevate. It's good

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Speaker 1: for morale. You move somebody up in the building. But

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Speaker 1: when you watch the Hall of Fame game, you lose

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, sharp as attack, Aaron Glenn, I mean, really

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Speaker 1: an elite defensive coordinator, and they decide we're just we're

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Speaker 1: just going to hire guys in the building. So Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell is not a schematic guy, like very rarely is

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Speaker 1: your head coach a great scheme guy. Kyle Shanahan is

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Sean Payton are I mean Demko Ryans defensively is.

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Speaker 1: But generally a GM is hiring a CEO. So when

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Speaker 1: you hire Dan Campbell, he's a culture builder. He's a

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Speaker 1: guys guy, very alpha, former player, build toughness. I remember

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Speaker 1: going back to like Jared Goff's first year, they weren't

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Speaker 1: very good, but man, nobody played harder than this team.

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Speaker 1: So he is very reliant on scheme and coordinators. Nick Seriani,

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Speaker 1: we've seen him with great coordinators. We've seen him with

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Speaker 1: less than great coordinators, and Philly got bad really fast.

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Speaker 1: So again, generally your coach isn't your best scheme guy.

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Speaker 1: Shanahan is very unique. That's why Shanahan can lose guys.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't affect the offense. Andy Reid can lose offensive coordinators,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't affect it. McVeigh can lose offensive coordinators. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't affect it because they're excellent. That's not Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: So they went inside the building and handed the offense

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Speaker 1: to an older gentleman who maybe a solid coach. Ben

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Speaker 1: Jonson was best in the league, best in class. So

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Speaker 1: watching Green Bay in Detroit there is that you could

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Speaker 1: not look the Hall of Fame game. It was obvious.

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Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, this doesn't work. This doesn't work

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Speaker 1: at all. So I, you know, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: go overboard. But remember they're doing a couple of things simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: They're rebuilding the interior of the old line and they're

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Speaker 1: bringing in a new coordinator. So that's a big ask

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Speaker 1: if you don't have an elite offensive coordinator and you

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Speaker 1: don't have an elite scheme coach. But that thing yesterday

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Speaker 1: was like, I didn't feel that competitive. It wasn't Miami Colts,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't feel terribly competitive. The Jared Goff without

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson and McVeigh if he doesn't get protection. I

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Speaker 1: said this on the Blazing five picks. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: the Jeff Fisher Jared Goff, then there's the McVeigh and

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Speaker 1: then he goes early without Ben Johnson. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: then he gets Ben Johnson. You're like, Okay, it's different.

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Speaker 1: You know are valuable, but Jared Goff is the last

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Speaker 1: of the reasonably young sit in the pocket, only he's not.

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Speaker 2: He needs protection.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're rebuilding the interior of the old line, and

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Speaker 1: they couldn't run the game with Jamar Gibbs.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't run the ball.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that jumped out to me in this game,

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons only played forty five percent of the snaps like.

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Speaker 2: He had influence. That felt like on all of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean they green Bay played with a ton of confidence.

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Speaker 1: And it is remarkable. When Belichick took over doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of the drafting in New England, they could not

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Speaker 1: draft offensive players. Green Bay just does not miss drafting

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Speaker 1: offensive guy all those receivers can play like all of

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Speaker 1: them can. So you know my takeaway when you go

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Speaker 1: into a weekend is people say you shouldn't overreact on

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Speaker 1: a Monday. Now, I I reacted at the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame game with Detroit hiring in the building, and I'm

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Speaker 1: reacting here. I don't care what the Vikings and Bears

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Speaker 1: look like tonight, and I've seen enough.

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Speaker 2: Of the Lions.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay's roster now is the best, and they're not

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Speaker 1: rebuilding anywhere. Everybody else in the league's got concerns. Minnesota

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what they have a quarterback. Chicago didn't know

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Speaker 1: what they have a quarterback. They're rebuilding their own line.

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Speaker 1: The lines are rebuilding their interior old line. Green Bay's

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Speaker 1: not rebuilding anything.

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Speaker 6: By the way, did you see Parsons in the videos

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Speaker 6: going right at Pennase sewel like getting by him like

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Speaker 6: it was nothing. Now, I know you only use on

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Speaker 6: a pitch count. Let me quickly ask you, Detroit, how

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Speaker 6: down are you? Because they will be hosting the Chicago

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Speaker 6: Bears on Sunday at one.

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Speaker 5: It's on Fox.

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Speaker 6: Bears on a short week, Detroit going home on the

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Speaker 6: indoor fast track, do you want to get the line

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Speaker 6: for that game.

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Speaker 2: Oh, let me think about that.

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Speaker 1: I would say Detroit off a humiliating loss, favored by

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Speaker 1: four five. Yeah, I would probably depending on what I

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Speaker 1: see tonight.

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Speaker 6: Ben Johnson now going back to Detroit. He knows that

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Speaker 6: defense as well as anybody. I think that's a phenomenal

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Speaker 6: match up on Fox next Sunday. Obviously Detroit's got to

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Speaker 6: win and look good, but Chicago could be behind the

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Speaker 6: eight bol short week. Ben Johnson against Detroit's gonna be

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Speaker 6: hyped in the media. That's a fascinating game.

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Speaker 1: There are two instances yesterday where I do think you

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Speaker 1: have to slow down on the criticism Bonnicks. Prime example,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton puts we had Drew Brees on this show

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Speaker 1: last year ten times. Drew Brees will tell you Sean

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Speaker 1: loads you up. He is going to challenge you at

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Speaker 1: practice every day. I believe Denver, and I think knowing

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Speaker 1: that he was facing a rookie quarterback at home, knowing

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Speaker 1: that his defense would dominate, I think he put a

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Speaker 1: lot on bon Nick's plate. I thought they were getting

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Speaker 1: to the line way too late, so I think Denver's

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Speaker 1: offense will look better. I remember it's a seventeen game schedule.

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Speaker 1: Starters do not play in the preseason. They don't play much.

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Speaker 1: So there are some things I'm going to take from

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Speaker 1: bow Nix and go let's scale back. I think they'll

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Speaker 1: be fine. The other thing is Michael Pennix lost. I

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Speaker 1: thought Pennix had some sensational moments. Again, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles, You're talking about you know, Tampa's probably got

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Speaker 1: the better roster. But I thought cam Ward looked really,

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Speaker 1: really solid. I thought Justin Fields kind of blew me away.

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Speaker 1: And I thought Michael Pennix, listen that if Michael Pennix

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Speaker 1: can play, and we'll find out if JJ McCarthy can

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Speaker 1: play to night. We know Jayden Daniels can play. Drake

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Speaker 1: may is going to be better. Have we ever had

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Speaker 1: like a six for six or a five for five

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Speaker 1: first round with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that we've ever been that.

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Speaker 6: Pennix was great, the defense was good, Baker just beat

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Speaker 6: him with the drive and the kicker missed to go

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Speaker 6: back to Denver for a sake.

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Speaker 5: So they travel to Indy this week.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if Indy's gonna be the surprise team

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Speaker 6: of the league or what.

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Speaker 5: But That to me is.

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Speaker 6: An interesting that's it for Denver because I didn't think

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Speaker 6: Bonnicks looked great, but Indy made two a look awful

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Speaker 6: two interceptions at a fumble. If bon Nix looks shaky again,

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Speaker 6: does that recalibrate your thoughts on the Broncos.

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Speaker 5: We've seen CJ. Stroud have a sophomore slump. Who's the

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Speaker 5: other guy?

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of concern about Jade Daniels the potential

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Speaker 6: sophomore slump.

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Speaker 5: Do you think Knicks has one or was this just

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Speaker 5: a one off?

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Speaker 1: Well, great quarterbacks don't have sophomore slumps. Burrow didn't, Mahomes

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Speaker 1: did well.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we think he's in that class.

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Speaker 2: Come on, that's right, good quarterbacks c J. Stroud do So.

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Speaker 1: I think for great quarterbacks home field doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes can win anywhere, Josh can win anywhere, Lamar can

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Speaker 1: win anywhere. For good quarterbacks, home field means something. And

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Speaker 1: I also think for great quarterbacks they'll overcome a slightly

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Speaker 1: above average coordinator. For good quarterbacks, they'll go backwards. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, my strongest opinions of the week of this

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Speaker 1: weekend are Green Bay's win in that division, Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: with Micah playing less than half the snaps, played with

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Speaker 1: a confidence. I haven't seen a Packer defense play within years.

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Speaker 1: That's my strongest takeaway. My second strongest takeaway is Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen is the most talented quarterback I've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: my life.

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Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa ever in your life?

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Speaker 2: Ever?

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a quarterback that talented. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: love Lamar. You think Lamar is going to come back

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Speaker 1: in a big spot from fifteen down with three and

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Speaker 1: a half minutes.

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Speaker 6: Mostly talents, most so Patrick maholl. He's more talented than

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Speaker 6: Patrick Maha. Yes, bigger, stronger. He's bigger, stronger than Patrick.

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Speaker 6: That's not even debatable, right, He's two three inches bigger.

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Speaker 6: He's my three and a half inches taller. He weighs

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Speaker 6: another thirty pounds. He's got more horse powers.

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's the most productive. You don't confuse product with talent.

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana again super productive. Josh Allen has a defensive

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Speaker 1: coach that half the league doesn't like. One guy had

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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, had Belichick, has Andy Reid.

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Speaker 5: I got a process.

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Speaker 6: This the most talented quarterback I've ever seen him member ever.

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Speaker 2: I remember when mel Kiper came out.

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Speaker 1: Before the draft and he had the ten greatest quarterback

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Speaker 1: prospects ever. Josh Allen was nine or ten and he

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Speaker 1: had a losing record. He couldn't win. I watched Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen twice at Wyoming against Oregon and Iowa. I was

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Speaker 1: told by Greg Cosell the year before said watch this

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Speaker 1: kid in Wyoming. Watched the kid in my I watched him.

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Speaker 1: He had an insane arm and made a throw across

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Speaker 1: his body in one of the games. That doesn't make sense,

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Speaker 1: but he was He got blown out. And Seattle had

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in his prime going to Super Bowls, and

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Speaker 1: John Snyder and Pete Carroll went to see him play

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Speaker 1: Power three neck