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Speaker 1: Just ridiculously good looking? As Vogue said, So seriously, what

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Speaker 2: Anything about it, because if you're going to do something

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Speaker 2: am who I am, and it's fine. You don't have

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Speaker 1: The reason why I brought it up because you talked

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just who I am. It's just who I am.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I could go out and I can

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Speaker 2: get one of these Hollywood producers to be member of

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kittie Couric And this is next question.

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Speaker 1: He's been called embarrassingly handsome, dangerously ambitious, and the one

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Speaker 1: Newsom has spent his entire political career out running a

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Speaker 1: caricature and now with a new memoir out called young

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Speaker 1: Man in a Hurry, he's trying something different. He's actually

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Speaker 1: letting people in. The book is a very candid look

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Speaker 1: young Man in a Hurry, a memoir of discovery. Governor

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Speaker 1: Years as a politician. I'm curious how you explain this

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Speaker 1: So why do you think he did it? Do you

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Speaker 2: She should be ashamed of her leadership, lawlessness. She should

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirties, garb by the name of Bovino, that's under

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Speaker 2: it had to intervene and brought the bagman Homan who

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Speaker 2: took fifty thousand dollars bribe from the FBI. And now

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Speaker 1: I'm going to lower your blood pressure for a little while.

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Speaker 2: But I'm having some coffee to balance it.

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Speaker 1: Out before I raise it again. By talking about your book,

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Speaker 1: young man, in a hurry. It's funny how all these

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Speaker 1: are suddenly being bitten by the publishing bug. What is

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Speaker 1: going on there, Gavin.

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Speaker 2: It's something you have never experienced or witnessed as it

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Speaker 2: in your years of outstanding journalism. The idea that politicians

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Speaker 2: would put out books around this time interesting. Any next year,

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Speaker 2: I imagine a few more.

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Speaker 1: But why now? Why now?

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, so your mom is working her ass off right,

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Speaker 2: to and how sports gave me confidence I didn't have academically,

433
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Speaker 2: got out of my shell and that me and my

434
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Speaker 2: dad a little proud. So he brought his friends. He

435
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: could brag on his kid playing baseball, playing basketball, and

436
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: he would show up. I'm like, whoa, there's dad, And

437
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: then I'd start diving for the ball or I'd just

438
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: like swing a little bit harder, and it was way

439
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: of connecting with them, and we'd have dinner afterwards. Those

440
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: are my great memories, dinner with my dad and a

441
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: few of his friends, always with friends, but those moments,

442
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: and you live for those moments. Any divorce family kid,

443
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Speaker 2: you live for those moments.

444
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448
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Speaker 1: think it made you parent father differently being raised by

449
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Speaker 1: your dad the way you were?

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Speaker 2: You know my wife and who's a fierce advocate in

451
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Speaker 2: her own right. You know someone who has done documentaries

452
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 2: about gender roles and responsibilities and tasking and the like

453
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Speaker 2: in terms of what she expects in a partnership after all,

454
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Speaker 2: and I can only imagine what was going through her

455
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: mind when we first got married is what kind of

456
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Speaker 2: husband are you going to be? And then when we

457
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: in our first child, Montana, what kind of dad you

458
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: were be? And I didn't know. I fell in love

459
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: with her, I had a second chance, and I brought

460
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: that into the relationship with Jen, and so I thought

461
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: I proved myself in that respect. I'm continued my work

462
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: in progress in that respect. But when I had Montana, Oh,

463
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 2: I was so relieved in this respect because I didn't know.

464
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: I thought I knew, but this lightning bolt from head

465
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Speaker 2: to heart in a way of like, oh whoa like

466
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: that's this is different, like it's and I say light light,

467
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: like actual light love in a way that I'd never like.

468
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: I didn't like. I thought I understood love, butterflies all that,

469
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: but like love like a deep breath, just this warmth,

470
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: this intensity of feeling. And I have it for my

471
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: four kids in profound ways. Oh I wish my dad

472
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Speaker 2: had that. Oh God did he miss that. He must

473
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: have had it, but I don't know if he had

474
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Speaker 2: it in the sort of baritone of his heart.

475
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Speaker 1: Maybe he had it, but he couldn't show.

476
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: It, didn't have the words for it. And I it's hard. Look,

477
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: he came from a classic family. He went to church

478
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: every single morning, every morning, alcoholic mom, tough dad, who

479
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: was the boss, they described him. But also you know,

480
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 2: ran ran the neighborhood in many respects old Irish family,

481
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: but all the kids church every single day, and so that,

482
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: you know, that marks a different generation and relationship to

483
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: family and to tradition, and he was sort of the

484
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: last vestige of that, and he kind of carried a

485
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Speaker 2: little and then he became, as he said, I became

486
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: a Catholic of a distant kind. And he kind of

487
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: pushed away the older he got, and then we get

488
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: closer and closer.

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Speaker 1: It's so wild, isn't it. What kind of imprinting you

490
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: have on your children, and how significant it is, and

491
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: how on inspiring and overwhelming and intimidating when you think

492
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Speaker 1: about how much you shape the psyches of your offspring,

493
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Speaker 1: isn't it?

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Speaker 2: And we all learned this. It's not what they say,

495
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: it's what they do. And I talk about that in

496
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: the book, examples of what they did that And you know,

497
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: it creates a permission slip. Whatever you do well badly mistakes,

498
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: it creates that structure. And so it's just off the charts.

499
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Speaker 2: And that's why it allowed me to go, Oh, that's

500
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: why I didn't you know my mom. You know, I

501
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: knew a little bit about her father's suicide, but I

502
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: didn't know that he put a gun to her head

503
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: as a kid and threw her against the fireplace and

504
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: said he was going to shoot her and alcoholic rage.

505
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: I didn't know the details of his incarceration as a

506
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: prisoner war in the Philippines after the Currigador March. Everyone

507
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: remembers the Baton Death March, not the Crigador March. And

508
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: I came back a different person, and how it shaped

509
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: her to your point of imprint, and why she didn't

510
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: talk for the first many years of her life, literally

511
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: didn't talk. I thought that was a fable. Turned out

512
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: I stress tested it was true. And here's a teenager

513
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: with no wealth, no money that had that shattered early childhood,

514
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: raising two kids on her own with not much support.

515
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: And rushing to your father right for safety initially.

516
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: Initially, and then he takes off and they neither of

517
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: them got remarried, and every time they got close, they

518
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: kind of re entered each other's life. And I wish

519
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: both were around to say thank you. I never fully

520
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: gave them ah, because all my weaknesses, all my insecurities,

521
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: all my strength the reason I'm sitting here, God bless them,

522
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: thank the most importantly.

523
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Speaker 1: For even their flaws.

524
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's the gift. Their flaws are my gifts. My

525
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: flaws have been my gifts. I regret many things, but

526
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: I also am the person I am today and I'm again,

527
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: and I'm in person every day. I'm becoming. I'm trying

528
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: to be better, obviously, but I'm the willingness to stress

529
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 2: test that, not to sanitize it. That's why this is

530
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: I believe this to be a different book you opened

531
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: up about. Oh, here we go with candidates running for

532
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: office or those that may be, you know, suggesting they

533
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: may have no interest, but really do have an interest

534
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: in another office putting out books. I wanted to put

535
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: something else out altogether, and I wanted to put it

536
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: all out there. I just want to tell my story

537
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: from my kids, for you know, selfishly. And the third

538
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: thing I can't control, which is how you perceive it,

539
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: the critics. Whether it sells one book, one thousand books,

540
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: one undred thousand, but for me it was it was

541
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Speaker 2: a blessing, the whole thing. I just learned so much.

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Speaker 1: Have your kids read it?

543
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: They only read the dedication. Hey, look, Montana, you and

544
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: I are in the front. Dutch is like cool, you

545
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: know you' all cool? That was it. I'm like, anyone

546
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: else want to read it? Yeah? Where are you going? Dad?

547
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they're a little young because they are, how well sixteen.

548
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Sixteen, fourteen twelve and just turned ten. Little Duchy who

549
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: is in the book, near the end during my inaugural

550
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: my little two three year old with a little pacifier

551
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: and his blanky, and he's sitting them that. Here's the

552
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: guy doesn't read right. I'm the only thing I do

553
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: not read speeches, But I will read a teleprompter because

554
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm specially looking up. If I look down, I'll lose

555
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I can't the words get scrumbled yet, So I'm sitting

556
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: there just like you know, nothing good about me reading

557
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: a teleprompter. This is not something people should endure and experience.

558
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: So I'm doing the inaugural speech. It's hard enough, I'm

559
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: staring at it. And then all of a sudden, I

560
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: hear a bunch of noise in the crowd, and I

561
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: realized my little kid was running around near the stage,

562
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: and of course no one's paying time to me. I

563
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: of course can't look away because I'm going through the

564
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: teleprogram and then we will in my first to one

565
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: hundred days. And then all of a sudden, I look

566
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: down and he's at my leg, and my wife is

567
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: like on the corner, totally paralyzed, like should I walk up?

568
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: And I do what any dad would do, You just

569
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: instinctually pick up your kid again. Pacifier in the blanky

570
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: and he goes into my arms and puts his head

571
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: right in my and falls asleep. And I'm sitting there

572
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: giving the speech and I'm like and people are laughing,

573
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: and I'm reading through the speech and speech ends and

574
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: I've never It's been seven years, and people are like,

575
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: can you give that speech again? No one remembers a

576
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: damn word. I said, this was the thing, right, It's

577
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: how you feel, and it was the essence that for me.

578
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: I'll tell Katie that's the reason I bring this up.

579
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: It's a long story, is ah love. But also that's

580
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: where I wish Mom and Dad that was if they

581
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: has seen that. My mom never met any of my kids,

582
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: but they saw that, Oh come on, I mean that

583
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: that was the moment for me.

584
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, I miss you, Mom, and

585
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: talk about a movie moment. I know you didn't plan it,

586
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: but boy, I mean talk about sort of inadvertently melting

587
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: everyone's hearts.

588
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: He still does. He just turned ten and we had

589
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: eighteen birthday parties and he got another two days of gifts,

590
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: including one this morning when I left.

591
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: He sounds like your favorite kind of dad, And I.

592
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: Gotta be careful he was the surprise, my wife revided me.

593
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: But he's the best. And he's named Dutch. My dad

594
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: lived in a small town, Gold Country and Plaster County,

595
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: very conservative me, very conservative part of the state, and

596
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: it's called Dutch Flat, and so it was also I

597
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: named him on behalf of my dad and where he

598
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: spent most of his life and where I spent a

599
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: good portion of my life. The older my dad got.

600
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Speaker 1: I don't want to gloss over your dyslexia, because it

601
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: was fascinating for me. I don't have that much experience

602
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: with dyslexia. But how it affected you, How your teacher

603
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: was saying he thinks his d's or b's he's mispronouncing

604
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: things and explaining why you use some sort of sat word.

605
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you over compensation and.

606
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: Your speech is How tough was it to come back

607
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: and to be such a public person and to have

608
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: to read so much and to have to, you know,

609
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: do much public speaking. How challenging was that to deal

610
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: with and to overcome.

611
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: I love that question because I often think this is

612
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: absolutely the worst profession to be in, right, because I mean,

613
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: what do politicians do. They read speeches? They have speech writers.

614
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: We don't have those things. I don't have those things.

615
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: So you don't get rid of it. You overcompensate for

616
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: it and you find other strengths. But it was my

617
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: greatest weakness. I mean it was brutal. And anybody out

618
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: there that's got kids that are struggling with this, oh

619
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: God bless the parents, but the children, they just feel dumb.

620
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: That's a word I used all the time, like that.

621
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: And that's how you felt. And I think your teacher

622
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: even said told your mom you were yeah.

623
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: I mean no, they had no hope for it. I mean,

624
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: there was no This was I was tracked with all

625
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: those other kids if you get my drift and the

626
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: sort of you know, you ended up in that little

627
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: shed right you know, on the other side of the.

628
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Campus who had challenges.

629
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you know, the other kids and h and

630
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: so I was in that those and I got to

631
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: know those kids, and it just in it, by the ways,

632
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: shape my empathy gene. That's why I don't like bullies.

633
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: That's why, you know, that's why Trump I have no

634
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: problem punching Trump back because I don't like people talk

635
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: down to people, mock people. I don't like people belittling people.

636
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: My mom worked one of her many jobs with aid

637
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: to adoption of special kids, the Debault family with those

638
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: kids with intellectual and physical disability. So I'm deeply involved

639
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: with special Olympics, deeply involved with best buddies. That's why

640
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: I again love the Shriver family and everything they represent

641
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: and who they are and their values. And but I

642
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: also have this this deep you feel and that's what

643
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I think a lot of dyslexis they have that they

644
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: feel rooms and so that that empathy, the ability to

645
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: just see things a little differently, to try to problem solve,

646
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: willingness to take risks because you don't know how to

647
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Speaker 2: do it in the traditional terms. So you learn trial

648
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: by her iteration, problem solving, creativity and you're like, WHOA.

649
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Speaker 2: So I open my first business. I'm relatively young, and

650
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: it's very different. People like and I'm like, I don't

651
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: know where this comes from. And I'm like wait, and

652
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: then I open another business. I'm seeing things differently, trying

653
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: to get different and take it, and I try to

654
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: bring into politics, and they started taking risks in terms

655
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: of a lot of the policies I would do, where

656
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: people are like, that's not you don't need to do

657
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: that now. Slow down, and so it's been a gift.

658
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: It's what a gift. But it's wasn't easy, and I

659
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: just for those that I know are struggling with it

660
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Speaker 2: and those parents out there. I know how hard. I

661
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: know how hard it is, but you're not dumb, and

662
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: the only thing that can stop you is yourself when

663
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: you give up. And my mom never let me give up.

664
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Speaker 2: Even if she told me it's okay to be average.

665
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Speaker 2: She did that because she loved me. Because she's basically saying,

666
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Speaker 2: it's okay just to be who you are. You don't

667
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Speaker 2: have to be someone else. My dad would have been

668
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Speaker 2: sixteen hundred sat as English professor and which we write about.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, you don't have to be That doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: you're not smart. She never said that, but it's what

671
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Speaker 2: I've learned.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting that that still stings so much. That

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Speaker 1: it's okay to be average, which I'm sure she was

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Speaker 1: trying to comfort you.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I want to move on to politics because I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are concerned about the state of

678
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Speaker 1: our country. There's a lot of anxiety, and I want

679
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Speaker 1: to get your take on a number of things. You've

680
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of attention. And you just mentioned bullies

681
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: that you don't like, bullies for adopting a more in

682
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: your face fearlessness that takes on Donald Trump in a

683
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Speaker 1: way that actually works. She recently said, at the core

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Speaker 1: of our challenge and brand is that now that we

685
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Speaker 1: are weak, and it goes back to the old strong

686
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Speaker 1: and wrong versus we can right. Given the choice, the

687
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: American people always support strong and wrong. Trump understands this,

688
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: you know, I hear that, and I want strong, but

689
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Speaker 1: I'm sure as shit don't want wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I about strong and right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be better.

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Speaker 2: But strength at the fundamental core convictions. You know, look,

693
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: the right is ruthless. They're ruthless. You got these propaganda

694
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Speaker 2: networks twenty four to seven. Illusion rules. Facts don't matter

695
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: their ability to shape shift the conversation. We're constantly on

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Speaker 2: the defense, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean manipulate things that you've said.

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Speaker 2: Not just what we say, but the subject matter to

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Speaker 2: which we even engage. This is think back. You know

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Speaker 2: two years ago was all about CRT and people were

701
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Speaker 2: literally looking it up. Do we do this? What is this?

702
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: And you realize, well, no, we're not. No one's really

703
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Speaker 2: doing the CRT in k through twelve in their shape

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Speaker 2: shift and they're winning that debate, and we're like, what's

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Speaker 2: the CRT. Then it's you know, DEIESG anything with three letters.

706
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Speaker 2: And we're constantly on the defense, you know, and the

707
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: right is you know, focusing on just power, dominance, aggression.

708
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: We're trying to win debates, we're trying to be right

709
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Speaker 2: back to the ruthlessness of the other side. And so

710
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Speaker 2: I started to really shift after I got recalled. Didn't

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Speaker 2: get recalled, but recall petition got enough signatures where I

712
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: had a recall campaign. I'll tell you that changes a

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00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: lot of things, because all of a sudden, there's a

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Speaker 2: finality of that. I mean talk about humility, and for me,

715
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: that mindset of all politics is local. As like threw

716
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Speaker 2: that one out. I must have said, you know, all

717
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: politics is local. Everyone goes, oh, yes, it is bs

718
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: it's all become nationalized and increasingly weaponized. And I discovered

719
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: that when the RNC and New Gingridge, Mike Huckabee and

720
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Speaker 2: Trump all these guys tried to take me on a

721
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Speaker 2: mid year election, and there was moment where I thought

722
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Speaker 2: I was going down. There were some polls that were

723
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Speaker 2: within a couple percentage points We eventually pulled it out

724
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: by twenty points, but it woke me up to this

725
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Speaker 2: new world. I came out of that a different guy,

726
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: ran for reelection, won by twenty points, only to have

727
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: the fires a year or so ago in LA and

728
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: back on my heels I went and they were shape

729
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: shifting that Elon Musk, Donald Trump. They're not even in office,

730
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Speaker 2: They're winning the debate, Another recall petitions out there, and

731
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: I realized I needed to get into another gear altogether.

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Speaker 2: And that's when I started putting out new fact sheets

733
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Speaker 2: and websites, when I started shifting my social media, and

734
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Speaker 2: that's when I really started to call out dare I

735
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: say my party a little bit, saying we've got to

736
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: fight fire with fire. We are losing right now where

737
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: we appear weak across the board, across the spectrum of issues.

738
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Speaker 2: We have to have more conviction, more courage, We have

739
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: to be willing to take risk. We've got to fight

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00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: the fight, and we got to start to dominate the narrative.

741
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Speaker 2: Trump gets this, he floods his own. It's shocking. Ah,

742
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: he dominated our conversations every single day. He's dominating our conversations.

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Speaker 1: But isn't it Because people are disgusted by him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you dominate the conversation in a positive way,

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Speaker 1: you know, how do you go from week to strong

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Speaker 1: but with ideas that are really possible. I mean they're

747
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: different kinds of strength, and I'm not sure you want

748
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: to be bombastic. And the way Trump operates is that

749
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: how you go from week to strong?

750
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Speaker 2: No, you do prov fifty. He knows this is going

751
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: to get selecked in the midterm elections. Well else is

752
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: He called Greg Gabbott to say he's entitled to five

753
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: seats because he knows he's going to lose in November,

754
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: so he's trying to rig the election. He thought we

755
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: would maybe write an op ed. I actually, for a

756
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: moment thought about literally writing an op ed saying this

757
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: is just so unfair Democrats. We need to do more

758
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: and better. You know, let's have a candlelight vigil and

759
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: we should talk more about democracy and our ten point

760
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: plan and to bring America's renewal and how we can

761
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Speaker 2: restore the soul of this country. I was saying and

762
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Speaker 2: doing all that, and then I'm like, wait a second,

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Speaker 2: what the hell am I thinking? There's not going to

764
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Speaker 2: be a two hun and fifty first anniversary, at least

765
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Speaker 2: in the spirit of our founding fathers. They didn't live

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Speaker 2: and die for this moment, to watch the rule of

767
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Speaker 2: law completely denigrated to become the rule of God.

768
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Speaker 1: So what did you do? Instead of writing and not that?

769
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Speaker 2: We decided to write new lines into the state constitution.

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Speaker 2: We fought fire with fire. We put an initiative on

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Speaker 2: the ballot a special election ninety days right, its one

772
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen million dollars, and we won, and we

773
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Speaker 2: neutralize what happened, and we pushed back and we send

774
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: a message to Democrats we have your back in all

775
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Speaker 2: fifty states. Prop fifty, after all, wasn't just about California.

776
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Speaker 2: It was about the constitution, our republic. It's about the

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Speaker 2: two and fiftieth anniversary, our founding fathers, the best of

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Speaker 2: Roman republic, Greek democracy. So it's style, yes to your point,

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00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: but it's substance to the point I want to offer,

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00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: including the lawsuits, including the FA it's to be a

781
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: little bit more brazen, bold and aggressive in how we

782
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: respond and the lines that we refuse to allow to

783
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: be crossed, in terms of calling it out with clarity

784
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: and conviction.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that made Americans feel like Democrats

786
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: were stronger because you all still in public opinion polls

787
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: that's not really reflected and people still think the Democratic

788
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: Party is weak.

789
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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to change this November when Speaker Jeffries

790
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: gets the Gabble, and I think that's going to radically

791
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: shift in our favor. I think the headwinds are putted

792
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: in Trump's direction. I mean he's in retreat, not just

793
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: in Greenland, retreat in Minnesota. He's retreating. Every public opinion

794
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: polls underwater in every key category in section. The economy

795
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: is getting weaker jobs, job creation is the worst it's

796
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: been last year, since twenty thirteen. Inflation's starting to go up.

797
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Speaker 2: The only thing was a saving grace was gas and

798
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Speaker 2: energy prices. Those are now starting to spike again. The

799
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: market's now more valid than been. Crypto has crashed his

800
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Speaker 2: entire at, domestic agendas crashing under him. So we're going

801
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: to take back the mental We're already shape shifting, taking

802
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: back momentum. Not just PROV fifty, not just those two

803
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: gouminatorial successes, but twenty five state legislative flips to zero

804
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: Republican flips. It's happening all across this country. The party's

805
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: feeling its owns again. We're now starting to get back

806
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: on our toes. You're going to see those polls reflect

807
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: that they're going to trail, but we are finally moving

808
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Speaker 2: in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say, we know what Democrats are against.

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Speaker 1: They're against Donald Trump. We don't really know what they're for.

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Speaker 1: And I've always posited I don't know if you agree

812
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Speaker 1: with me that part of the problem is the Democratic

813
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Party is much more diverse in terms of its messaging

814
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Speaker 1: and its priorities in the Republican Party, which is very

815
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Speaker 1: sort of simplistic, very kind of over and over again

816
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Speaker 1: with talking points. I mean, what would they be, Gavin.

817
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: Cut taxes and regulations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not so much military strength, although that has flipped recently.

819
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Speaker 2: Well, they're going to identify in the villains. The villains are,

820
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Speaker 2: you know, the other ring of people. It's the minority,

821
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: it's the LGBTQ agenda, it's obviously immigrants in the context

822
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: of Trump and trump Ism. So they're able to escape

823
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: goat vulnerable communities very effectively, and they've been able to

824
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Speaker 2: weaponize that since the Southern strata. I mean, that's a

825
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Speaker 2: golden oldie. But they're also able to weaponize the media

826
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Speaker 2: in a way that's just next level. These guys are disciplined.

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Speaker 2: One American News is discipline. News Max's discipline, Sinclair's discipline,

828
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: the right wing echo chamber is discipline. We're not on

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Speaker 2: the left. With all due respect, I appreciate MS, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate some of the others, but we're not doing surround

831
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Speaker 2: sound in terms of today's talking points. These guys are.

832
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Speaker 2: They're ruthless in that respect. It's again, it's pravda. I mean,

833
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Speaker 2: the primetime liar is provda. I mean Laura Ingram is

834
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Speaker 2: in business deal with Donald Trump Junior. How the hell

835
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Speaker 2: is that ethical? How is that allowed in this country?

836
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Speaker 2: By the way, with their partner, who's in partnership with

837
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: David Sachs on a podcast, Chamoth, who's deciding crypto and

838
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: AI policy, and they're all part of this great grift,

839
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: the story of the last year. There is a corruption

840
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: story Trump. We can get to that. But here's the

841
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: point about what we're for. We're for America. We're not

842
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: just against Trump. This is not just anti Trump. We're

843
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: for those endearing values, the historic project of this country.

844
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Speaker 2: We believe in co equal branches of government, we believe

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Speaker 2: in popular sovereignty, we believe in the rule of law,

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Speaker 2: and we believe we're all better off, and we're all

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Speaker 2: better off.

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Speaker 1: Those are lofty values and obviously admirable and ones that

849
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: I would never disagree with, But they're lofty. What can

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Speaker 1: you say to the average voter that resonates with that

851
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: person that you want their lives to be better? And

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Speaker 1: I think that is what the Democrats have had a

853
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Speaker 1: hard time articulating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we articulate ten points plans as opposed to Look,

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Speaker 2: it's remarkable when you get into the debates, and I've

856
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: been to so many Republican debates and there's just literally

857
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: zero specificity that backs up the problem. Just the bs,

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Speaker 2: the vice, but the values resonate. People tune into the value,

859
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Speaker 2: they tune into what you believe. I made this mistake.

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Speaker 2: Take historically. I read about a little bit in the

861
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Speaker 2: book is I'll come out with my dan fifteen point plan.

862
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Speaker 2: I lost you in the second one. My parents' agenda,

863
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: getting eleven dollars insulan, subsidizing mortialcare slots, and how I'm

864
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Speaker 2: gonna do six days of paid sickly and eight weeks

865
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Speaker 2: of paid family leave, and then we're gonna do an

866
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Speaker 2: earn income tax credit, the I'm gonna do a tile

867
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Speaker 2: tax cred, I'm gonna do a baby bond, and then

868
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna do universal preschool.

869
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Speaker 1: But if you don't do that, people are saying, we're

870
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: the specifics right, Well, we have.

871
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: All that, and I was promoting all that the last

872
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: two years. You didn't give a damn. All of a sudden,

873
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: I put my picture on Mount Rushmore, mirroring and mocking Trump,

874
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: and everyone goes, ooh, Newsom's fighting back.

875
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: Is it just that we're all so shallow, no ore

876
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: our tension spans or have been shot.

877
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. People want subst If you did a poll,

878
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: everyone says I want substance. They also need to be

879
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: entertained a little bit. Dare I say, and this is

880
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: not my prescription, but I will offer this into the mix.

881
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: Trump's an entertainer, and you know what, we tune in

882
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: to get entertained. Even if we tune in, we're trying

883
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: to tune out because the algorithm finds us we can

884
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: use a little sense of humor. Democrats sometimes we're a

885
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: little humor less. What I'm doing to Trump, or I'm

886
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: putting this mirror up to him with all caps and

887
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: a guy who cause plays is the Pope and Superman,

888
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: not just putting him face up on mouse Rushmore is

889
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing it in a humorous way. And my humble

890
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: opinion is this Trump thrives when we're indignant.

891
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: He likes to piss people off.

892
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: But authoritarians, historically, they want to appear to be more

893
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: powerful than they are. When you mock them, they wither.

894
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: They don't like being mocked, They don't like being made

895
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: fun of, humor finding a little of humor in all.

896
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 2: This is why I think we've broken through a little

897
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: bit more than most expected. And what you said, I

898
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: love you said over and over. I would just add

899
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: an over and over and over and over again, because

900
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: repetition is the mother's skill. And this it's hard because

901
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: you want to be original, you want to be authentic,

902
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Speaker 2: You want to or at least.

903
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be boring.

904
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Speaker 2: Yeah, except his ability doesn't matter what the topic is.

905
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: He's going to go back to those old talking points

906
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: and they become mantras in all our minds. If you

907
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: were trying to escape, it's like going to Disneyland coming

908
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: out of that one ride and you can't get the

909
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: music out of it.

910
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Speaker 1: Well, think about fake news, how that's become a mantra.

911
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: And anytime something's written or said about him that he

912
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: doesn't like, it's fake but that fake news. There was

913
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: never a term fake news until he showed up on

914
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Speaker 1: the scene. And now it's like an earworm.

915
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Speaker 2: And now you have truth and trust issues because it's

916
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Speaker 2: getting harder to know what is true and what is fake.

917
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Speaker 2: And that's Sora and Ai And we've got two other

918
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Speaker 2: podcasts that week and just ended on that one alone.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other thing I think that you're trying

920
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: to navigate is that perhaps the Democratic Party, and particularly

921
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Speaker 1: progressives in the party, became too judgmental and too earnest

922
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Speaker 1: and to demanding of people to convey things and be

923
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Speaker 1: a certain way when maybe they weren't quite there. Yet.

924
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Speaker 1: You've defended previous comments you've made that it is quote

925
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Speaker 1: deeply unfair for trans athletes to compete in girls' sports.

926
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Speaker 1: You've also asked your party to stop spending a disproportionate

927
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Speaker 1: amount of time on pronouns and identity politics. And yet

928
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Speaker 1: at a time when the trans community is so under attack,

929
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Speaker 1: talk about other rising and scapegoating people. People like Carl,

930
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Speaker 1: one of my followers, who is trans, feels as if

931
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Speaker 1: you're throwing trans people under the bus and that you

932
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Speaker 1: see them as a political liability.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate saying that, and in fact, you send

934
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Speaker 2: it to the person who's promoted and signed more pro

935
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Speaker 2: trans legislation than any elected official in this country, periot,

936
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Speaker 2: full stop. And I can back that up. Who has

937
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Speaker 2: a trans godsend, who literally signed some of the most

938
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Speaker 2: progressive trans legislation just nine months ago, not nine years ago,

939
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Speaker 2: Who nine years ago, fifteen years ago was actually arguing

940
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Speaker 2: with the HRC that they weren't including the trans agenda,

941
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Speaker 2: just the game lesbian agenda as mayor.

942
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Speaker 1: So why are you kind of seemingly backing off from that.

943
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Speaker 2: Because I can't defend I'm not backing off. I'm doubling

944
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Speaker 2: down on all of that and the grace that people

945
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: just want to survive and just want to live their

946
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Speaker 2: lives out loud and again a record that back set up.

947
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Speaker 2: But I cannot back up an argument in favor in

948
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Speaker 2: a competitive environment for sports, having experienced on multiple occasions

949
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Speaker 2: two years in a row, and track championships in California,

950
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Speaker 2: the impact of that competition and how people were displaced,

951
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Speaker 2: and how we couldn't square the circle of how to

952
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Speaker 2: make this fair, and so I don't think it is

953
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Speaker 2: on the sports side.

954
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Speaker 1: What about the idea of letting local communities and school

955
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Speaker 1: districts and states or I guess my question is should

956
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Speaker 1: it be a blanket policy?

957
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Speaker 2: No, I mean that we're trying to figure it out

958
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Speaker 2: in our state. We haven't and no one has.

959
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Speaker 1: Are you saying, under no circumstances should a trans athlete

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Speaker 1: compete in a competition in which the competitors are not

961
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Speaker 1: the same as that person was assigned at birth? Which

962
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Speaker 1: is a mouthful. I know.

963
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Speaker 2: I've just been confronted. It's not an intellectual exercise for me.

964
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Speaker 2: I've been confronted with very specific examples of this, and

965
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: we just couldn't figure it out. We couldn't figure it

966
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Speaker 2: out to make Let me give you example. We're iterating.

967
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Speaker 2: Last year we decided just to do an extra medal,

968
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Speaker 2: and no one was really happy with that. The prior year,

969
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Speaker 2: the trans athlete and the one that was defeated that

970
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: didn't get in to the finals, both of them decided

971
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Speaker 2: not to compete in the finals, like, well, that's not

972
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: fair either. So we're oh for two. I've been asking

973
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Speaker 2: what how do we accommodate? How do we address this?

974
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: And so that's not throwing folks under the bus, that's

975
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Speaker 2: just trying to trust me. There's a lot of anxiety

976
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: out there in sports. I mean when someone they do

977
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 2: think at times there's an unfair advantage. Not all the time,

978
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: but there are moments where it's not a stretch to

979
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: suggest there is an advantage. Quite the contrary, and there

980
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: has been in those examples, and that's where I find

981
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: it unfair. So it's my personal opinion as a champion

982
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: for LGBTQ rights going back to two thousand and four

983
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: when I married same sex couples, where the entire Democratic

984
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: Party condemned me almost universally, all the leaders condemned me.

985
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: All right about that? In the book, who pointed the

986
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: first trans judge in California that has appointed many members

987
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: of the trans community the most powerful positions in state government,

988
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: including our retirement Board, that continues to advocate in many

989
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: positions of government for the trans community, assign more progressive

990
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: trans legislation than anybody else. But on the issue of

991
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: competitive sports, not all sports, in those metal sports, I

992
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: respectfully don't think it's fair, and others will suggest, well,

993
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: we shouldn't, it's okay. And I don't think with the

994
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: families on the other side of that that it's as

995
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: easy of looking him in the face and telling him

996
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: it's okay. I don't think it's as easy as people

997
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: may think when you actually are responsible for trying to

998
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: find some balance here in policy.

999
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: These incidents are pretty rare, and so is this conversation,

1000
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: in your view, taking up too much oxygen in the

1001
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: national discourse.

1002
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: Because we defend it and then people go, how can

1003
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: you defend that? And all of a sudden, now I

1004
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: think you lose a lot of people. So I'm on

1005
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: the substance. That's my belief. Now, in the politics of this,

1006
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: it's overwhelming what people feel on this. It's not just Republicans.

1007
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans have strong opinions on this as well.

1008
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 1: Friend of Mineset, it's like eighty twenty yeah.

1009
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: And so now if you're unwilling to accept what you

1010
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: see with your own eyes, you know, competitive disadvantage or advantage,

1011
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: then you may not have any you know, it's going

1012
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: to make it a little more difficult to get in

1013
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: all those other topics. But again I completely submit. Never

1014
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: is more focused than it, you know, tended to so

1015
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: few people, and it's disgraceful what these guys do, and

1016
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: it's disgraceful what they've done in the trans community. It's

1017
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: disgraceful what they're doing on this banning binge and what

1018
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: they're doing to all the four three hundred and forty

1019
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: books last year. A year before that they banned.

1020
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Speaker 1: That had a lotical care.

1021
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the medical care at what's happening in this country,

1022
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: and that's disproportion impacts California. It's been a leader in

1023
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: these spaces and UCSF notably. And Trump's attack on this

1024
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: community it's disgusting, but doesn't mean on every single topic

1025
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: that I agree, And that's the one area I disagree,

1026
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: and good people can disagree with me, but don't with respect.

1027
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: That's not throwing the community under the bus. Quite the contrary,

1028
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: it's providing the grace where we can actually protect all

1029
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: those other rights because they're coming after all the other rights,

1030
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: and we make it I think a little easier when

1031
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: we defend what is more and more difficult to defend

1032
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: the more and more high profile examples like I've had

1033
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: experience with track mats in California.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's me Katie Couric. You know, if you've

1035
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Speaker 1: been following me on social media, you know I love

1036
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Speaker 1: to cook, or at least try, especially alongside some of

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Speaker 1: me ask you about this constant tension between progressives and

1045
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Speaker 1: more centrists establishment candidates within the Democratic Party. Do you

1046
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: worry that the of the Democratic Party is going to

1047
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: be divided among so many centrists that it will split

1048
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: the party up and end up working to the advantage of, say,

1049
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Speaker 1: a Democratic Socialist candidate like Alexandria Acasio Cortez, who beat

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Speaker 1: you in every other candidate handily. In a recent Yale

1051
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: youth poll for voters between the ages of eighteen forty four.

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Speaker 1: You know, to me, having covered politics for a long time,

1053
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: this is sort of the age old problem of the

1054
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Do we go for someone who's more centrists,

1055
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: who's more palatable to independent voters and maybe Republicans who

1056
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: are fed up with trump Ism, or do we need

1057
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: to kind of blow the whole thing up and go

1058
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Speaker 1: for somebody really progressive who clearly appeals to young voters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is great, and she's wonderful and well deserved

1060
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 2: that kind of support that I haven't seen the polls,

1061
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: but I'm not surprised by them. Here's my humble opinion,

1062
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: having experienced and been on the receiving end of disproportionate

1063
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: amount of Trump and trump Ism, and that has really

1064
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: expressed considerable alarm to this moment. We have to be

1065
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: more ruthless and win. We just have to win.

1066
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Speaker 1: How do you do that.

1067
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Speaker 2: You just have to put together a winning coalition, winning message,

1068
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: winning messenger. There's got to be a freshness. We've got

1069
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: to acknowledge these systemic issues that AOC and certainly Bernie

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Speaker 2: has been incredibly effective about. That is the economy is broken.

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Speaker 2: You can't save democracy if we don't democratize the economy.

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Speaker 2: We can't live in a society we're ten percent of

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00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: people and two thirds of the wealth where thirty year

1074
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: old's doing worse for the first time in human history,

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Speaker 2: at least American history, than his parents' generation. So no

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00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: surprise that a lot younger people that are delaying marriages,

1077
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: delaying having kids can't even imagine renting a home, owning

1078
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: a home, and so that economic reality is so real

1079
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 2: there's almost a nihilism. I was a twitch con talking

1080
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: a lot of gamers and I've got a podcast, I

1081
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: mean a lot of young people, and you know, there

1082
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: really is this sort of you know, darkness about the

1083
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: future and ye had ai and the anxiety there, and

1084
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: so we have to dress all of that AOC, the

1085
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: language of burning AOC play into that DSA a little bit,

1086
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: and that's effective. But look, I'm for building a big tent.

1087
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm not for being as judgmental you implied that I

1088
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: had stated that for I feel very aggressive about that.

1089
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: Should I have thrown out people in my party when

1090
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: they weren't supporting marriage equality, which was pretty much all

1091
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: of them, and say well, you're dead to me. Now

1092
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: you no longer apply and you should no other issue.

1093
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: Are you progressive enough? And by the way, some of

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: the biggest progressive voices in America that are leaders in

1095
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: the progressive moment oppose that. Not of course, that's it'd

1096
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: be silly and ridiculous. So we're going to agree to

1097
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: disagree on a few key issues, but we agree on

1098
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: basic fundamental values. So put that on full display with

1099
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: a lot less judgment. Find those areas in common, try

1100
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: to build a bigger tent and build a coalition that

1101
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: is truly representative. Not just one guy on the gain

1102
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: Allen Whitehorse just come save the day, but a coalition,

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00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: a party represented, a body of people that you know,

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00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: understand the live reality people are feeling, so that people

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00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: can identify and feel connected to.

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Speaker 1: It, and then you all get along.

1107
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: It's not it shouldn't be zero sum. Now you have

1108
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: to find a candidate. So there is a process of elimination,

1109
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: and that's unfortunate.

1110
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: But it's a democratic socialist be elected president.

1111
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just don't know. I mean, there's

1112
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: sort of a popular vote construct where you can start

1113
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: to at least paint that picture, make an argument. We'll see,

1114
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: you know, and then I could give you counter arguments

1115
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: that and then there's an electoral map that make challenge that.

1116
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: Or you look at seven swing states and sixty two

1117
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: counties and you know, then you focus on where Bucks

1118
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: County may be in Pennsylvania and that becomes perhaps, you know,

1119
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: a little more challenging. So you got to meet people

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Speaker 2: where they are. That's the nature. Look, it's it's not

1121
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: an academic exercise. You got to meet people where they are.

1122
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: You got to sell something people want to buy, and

1123
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: you got to believe it too. And if you're in authentic,

1124
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: you shouldn't even get it in the game. So you

1125
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: also have to hold your convictions. And so it's that

1126
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: perfect blend. That's what we're looking for. That unicorn. I

1127
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: could be authentic. You may not agree with them, but

1128
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: they're not disagreeable. They respect you, they're not being disrespectful.

1129
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: They're not talking down to you, past you their open argument.

1130
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll evolve. They're interested in evidence, you know, they

1131
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: respect the diversity of opinions, and they want to build

1132
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: a coalition and they want to govern in a coalition,

1133
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: not just campaign in one.

1134
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Speaker 1: You talk about authenticity and interesting, you know, I've been

1135
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: in LA for a month, and every time I meet

1136
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: someone who lives in California, I guess what I asked them?

1137
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: Why are you so lucky to live here?

1138
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: Now? What do you think of Gavin Newsom?

1139
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of other Californians besides me, about

1140
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: forty nine million others.

1141
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: I want to hear straight from people who live here.

1142
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: You get a mixed report, and we'll talk about Californian

1143
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: a minute, because I do want to ask you about

1144
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: some one of the things that you're facing in California.

1145
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: But what do you think is the most often used

1146
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: word to describe you?

1147
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: A God is my witness?

1148
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't know the one word.

1149
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a distillation. It's hard for me to just.

1150
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the one word that people use to

1151
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: describe you over and over.

1152
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: Are resilient is what I would love to hear. See.

1153
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you my response. I'm pretty resilient.

1154
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: Slick.

1155
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the look. That's what the book's about.

1156
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: They describe you as slick, and I am just curious

1157
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: why you think that is? Is it the hair gel?

1158
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: It's the book you're selling? The book Katie. It's literally

1159
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: in the book. It was one of the first questions

1160
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: you asked, and I walked into it. I played to

1161
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: the character, I played to type. You know, I was

1162
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: joking about the hair. I mean, I get it.

1163
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Speaker 1: So what do you do about that?

1164
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't do anything about it.

1165
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: Do you like use less hair gel? What do you do?

1166
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: I let it go.

1167
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Speaker 1: Do you have a Zoolander problem? Jesus yes, are you

1168
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: just ridiculously good looking? As Vogue said? So seriously, what

1169
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Speaker 1: do you do about it?

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Speaker 2: You don't do anything about it, because if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: do something about it, then you're bullshitting people. You know

1172
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: what I am who I am, and it's fine. You

1173
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Speaker 2: don't have to like me, or maybe you like a

1174
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Speaker 2: slick person. I don't know whatever, It's okay.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I brought it up because you talked

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Speaker 1: about being authentic and I think it sometimes works against you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just who I am. It's just who I am.

1178
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I could go out and I can

1179
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: get one of these Hollywood producers to be member of

1180
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Speaker 2: my campaign and pick out which Tope suit all wear,

1181
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: which we've seen happen in the past when people literally

1182
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: are getting stylists to become someone they're not. I'm okay

1183
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: with who I am. I am who I am GENI

1184
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: wrote the book let It Go. I'm here meeting the

1185
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: moment I want to be accountable to the moment. I'm

1186
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: going to punch this bully in the face. I'm going

1187
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: to fight back. I'm going to I have courage of

1188
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: my convictions. I'm proud of the work I've done. I mean,

1189
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: you want progressive you know, who's who else done twenty

1190
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: five dollars minimum wage for healthcare workers? Twenty dollars minimum

1191
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: wage for fast workers? Who else has done universal health

1192
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: care in the United States, regardless pre existing conditions, abillity

1193
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: to pay in immigration status? Who else has provided over

1194
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand subsidized childcare slots, greater brand new grade

1195
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: KEYK for all. I could go down a list eleven dollars.

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: And my point is, we've done all those progressive policies.

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01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: But if i'm you know, don't like the way I look,

1198
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: the cut of my jib, then it's okay, And that's okay,

1199
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: and you'll have plenty of other folks to consider. I

1200
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: may not even be on that stage, And it's Okay.

1201
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: What do you mean. You may not even be on

1202
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: that stage.

1203
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm ever going to run again

1204
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: for elected office. I gotta sell. I got ten months left.

1205
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: I gotta sell by date.

1206
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a couple more questions. You talked

1207
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Speaker 1: to earlier governor knew some about economic anxiety and young people.

1208
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Speaker 1: And I know that you are on the record you're

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Speaker 1: opposed to a one time California five percent wealth tax

1210
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Speaker 1: because you say California is in competition with forty nine

1211
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Speaker 1: other states. Billionaires could leave, as we've seen. As we've seen,

1212
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: but Bernie Sanders just released a national wealth tax that

1213
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: would be five percent every year in all fifty states.

1214
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Speaker 1: Is that something you could support?

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Speaker 2: Very different and we can debate the merits to that.

1216
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: What do you think about I don't know the details.

1217
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: I think he literally just came out with that. I

1218
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: think he did some headlines, so I don't know any

1219
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: of the substance. Interesting he picked five percent. I think

1220
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: he's modeling aspects of this. I hope he doesn't model

1221
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: one aspect of what they're doing in California, which is

1222
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: that tax doesn't pay for teachers. It doesn't pay for firefighters.

1223
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: The tax in California doesn't pay for childcare workers. It's

1224
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: exclusively for one particular use, and it's one time to

1225
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 2: address ongoing structural issues, and it's already had an impact.

1226
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Speaker 2: So California is the most progressive tax policies in the

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Speaker 2: United States of America. And it's not something I've defended,

1228
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: it's something I've promoted in something I spent a great

1229
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: deal of time in my state of the state talking

1230
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: about the nation needs to go back to hire tax

1231
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: for the wealthy. I believe in progress or tax policy,

1232
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: and I think we need a new tax bracket for

1233
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: extraordinarily wealthy. Now what that looks like, what's the exact threshold,

1234
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: How does it work? That is absolutely a debate we

1235
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: need to have. The imbalance between the rich and the

1236
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.

1237
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: And that was said two thousand years ago by Plutarch.

1238
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: So it's code read in terms of that imbalance. So

1239
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: it is understandable why Bernie is promoting. That's understandable why

1240
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: I was promoted in California. But a nationwide debate is

1241
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: exactly the one we need to have state by state

1242
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: it will create a competitive disadvantage.

1243
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: But at first blushed the national concept. It sounds interesting

1244
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: to you.

1245
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: It's an imperative tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, cuts

1246
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: to medicaid and Medicare, cuts to food stamps, a war

1247
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: without the War Powers Act invoked, and tariffs with a

1248
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: regressive component. That's Trump's policies and they need to be reversed.

1249
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: So absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you just a few questions about California, because,

1251
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: as you well know, if or when you run for

1252
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: president or try to get the Democratic nomination, there's going

1253
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: to be a ton of focus on California, of course,

1254
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: which is often seen as a laboratory for progressive policy,

1255
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: and you've just talked about many of them, but some

1256
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: of the stats are not so great. California has the

1257
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Speaker 1: highest tax rate.

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: I thought that was I thought we established that was

1259
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: a good thing.

1260
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: Well maybe it's not so good for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Right, not for the one percent. By the way, just

1262
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: on that just briefly, because I know you go through

1263
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: the affordability of letting me know anything else. But as

1264
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: it relates to tax policy, California is the most progressive

1265
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: tax rate. Places like Texas and Florida have the most regressive.

1266
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: They tax their low wage orders more than we tax

1267
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: our highway way journers. So the question is who is

1268
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: the high tax state?

1269
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Speaker 1: Then why is everybody moving there?

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Speaker 2: Because the one percent don't represent the ninety nine percent.

1271
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: By the way, they're not all moving there. We've seen

1272
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: population increase three the last four years in California just complete.

1273
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: People have update their talking points, and California has minted

1274
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: moreionaires and billionaires than any other state in the country.

1275
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Speaker 2: And we do that on a weekly basis and continue

1276
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: to this moment. But the progressive tax policies, again, I

1277
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: think is the approach the nations should take. Those that

1278
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: have had the most economic success can afford a little

1279
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: bit more. These states that have regressive tax policies are

1280
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: slamming the middle class and working people. And I do not,

1281
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, want to align myself

1282
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: with those high tax states and those regressive tax policies.

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Speaker 1: Here's some other stats. The highest poverty rate tied with Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: the highest unemployment, and as Nick Christoff of The New

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Speaker 1: York Times recently wrote, Mississippi schools outperformed California schools, especially

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Speaker 1: for poor kids. Now people see that or hear that

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Speaker 1: or read that, and they're like, no, thanks, California, No thanks,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsome. We're good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the poverty rate is you're talking about the

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Speaker 2: supplemental poverty rate. Our poverty rates about average, and we're

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Speaker 2: right up there with Florida and Louisiana and others with

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Speaker 2: supplemental poverty rate, which has been the case for forty years.

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Speaker 2: And the original sin there is housing, which has been

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Speaker 2: a problem in California since Ronald Reagan left office as governor,

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Speaker 2: and we simply have a supplied demand imbalance, and we

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Speaker 2: have zoning policies and nimbiism that have been legendary, and

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Speaker 2: we've finally broken through it with some of the most

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Speaker 2: progressive housing reforms in US history. Our biggest critics, like

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Speaker 2: Ezra Kline, would even acknowledge that progress in that respect.

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Speaker 2: As it relates to our schools, we've seen significant We've

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Speaker 2: seen some of the fastest improvements since twenty eleven till

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Speaker 2: today as it relates to achievement and reading scores and

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 2: test scores that we just announced in every category socio

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Speaker 2: economic and grade. We saw progress particularly interesting at La

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Speaker 2: Unified School district. As it relates to Mississippi, it's interesting,

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Speaker 2: well established they hold people back in third grade. Their

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Speaker 2: scores tend to be a little bit inflated because of

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Speaker 2: some of those policies that are not necessarily standard policies

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Speaker 2: that everyone wants to promot across the country. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, you can compare a coutrast California and Mississippi

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01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: could characterrast many other states to Mississippi in terms of

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01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: that one data point. So you want to be I

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: think a little bit more reflective of a broader sample

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Speaker 2: set about. A lot of progress has been made in

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Speaker 2: California's education policy, community schools, after school for all, summer

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Speaker 2: school for all. We're the first to do two free

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Speaker 2: school meals, and of course we created a brand new

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Speaker 2: grade preschool for all. We also did the first savings accounts.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about Trump savings accounts six years ago. Five

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Speaker 2: I did it. We have five point five million kids,

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Speaker 2: all our kindergarteners. We did a one point nine billion

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Speaker 2: dollar appropriation to create these college savings accounts, these career accounts,

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01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: in addition to these baby bonds that we're doing all

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01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: in an effort to try to deal with financial literacy,

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01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: connect the dots in terms of wealth disparity, not just

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Speaker 2: income disparities, and address some of these systemic issues of

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Speaker 2: poverty more broadly. Though, California is more scientists, engineers, more

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Speaker 2: Noble laureates, more research in any state in America, we

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Speaker 2: dominate in every category. The biggest manufacturing state in America,

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Speaker 2: we have more farmers, we have more ranchers. We dominate

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,480
Speaker 2: an egg sixty two point one billion dollars. Our manufacturing

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 2: output is over four hund and five point six billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: There's no one comes close in AI, thirty two of

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Speaker 2: the top fifty AI companies in quantum robotics, the dominant

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Speaker 2: leadership in the future technologies as it relates to autonomy, space,

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: advanced nuclear where eighteen percent of the world's R and D,

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Speaker 2: only behind China and behind Germany eighteen percent of the

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Speaker 2: world's ID. We had four Nobel Laureates last year. At

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01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: the UC system. We have more active patents than any

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Speaker 2: other system higher learning anywhere in the world. Venture capital

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01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: was one hundred and six billion. We're number one in

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Speaker 2: business startups and we created three point one million jobs.

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Speaker 2: You brought up unemployment. Unemployment has been point nine to

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 2: one point one percent higher. There's five or six UCLA

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 2: studies Again since Reagan left office, Why read their studies

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 2: consistently one percentage higher the rest nation, which it is

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Speaker 2: again today, because of the transient nature of our sectors,

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 2: because the hospitality sector, the ag sector, and because the

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: relatively youthful population compared to other states. So all those

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Speaker 2: things have truth. All of them are substance of arguments,

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01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: and there's plenty of counter arguments, including the fact we're

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: the fourth largest economy in the world because our economic

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01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: policies are working and our economic output is second to

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Speaker 2: none in the United States.

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Speaker 1: You talk about how this book really taught you humility.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think you wish you had done

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Speaker 1: better or that you could be better at as governor

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Speaker 1: of California if you disagree with your critics, and you

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01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: have certainly plenty to brag about if you listen to

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Speaker 1: that litany, Well, when you think about it, like, what

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: do you wish you had done better?

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Speaker 2: Well, the million things could have what it should have,

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: or I'm a genius, We're all geniuses. In hindsight, a

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Speaker 2: lot of these things, they're stacked with the lack of

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01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: political capital that you absorb over time, conditions shift. I'll

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Speaker 2: give you an example on housing policy. For three last

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Speaker 2: three administrations, they were unable to get these land use

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Speaker 2: what we call seek reforms done, and the conditions were

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: never ripe. And they presented themselves last year and I

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Speaker 2: put it in the budget, which was a risk, and

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Speaker 2: we were able to get it done. Do I think

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Speaker 2: I could have done that two years earlier. I don't

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: think I could have done it, but I would venture

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Speaker 2: to say I wish I did. So that's one I

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01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: wish I was a little less accommodating to your question,

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01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: meaning so many interest groups, so many jurisdictional challenges. I'm

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Speaker 2: a governor of the state. That's the size of twenty

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Speaker 2: one state populations combined. There's nothing like it anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: So this notion, you have one thousand and fifty school districts,

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Speaker 2: you know, ten thousand schools, your fifty eight counties for it,

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Speaker 2: in seventy six cities, and you're constantly trying to land

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Speaker 2: the deal. And I look back, you know some of

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: those deals I wish I didn't land. I wish I

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: was a little more aggressive in that respect. So those

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Speaker 2: are the areas where I feel like some timing issues.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, more less indulgent. We saw

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Speaker 2: our unchildrened homeless population drop nine percent this year, first

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Speaker 2: time in fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk to you about that because

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Speaker 1: a lot of people want to know about that.

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Speaker 2: But go on, first time in fifteen years. There's never

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Speaker 2: been a governor that's actually experienced that drop in a

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Speaker 2: decade and a half. And one of the things that's

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 2: driven that is more accountability at the local level. State's

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01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: visions realize locally, it's not state is not in the

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Speaker 2: homeless business. State is funding local government in that respect,

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Speaker 2: I wish we were more aggressive on the accountability earlier.

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Speaker 2: We're very aggressive now as examples of things in terms

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Speaker 2: of iterative could of what it should have where we

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01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: could have I think done a little bit a little

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: This is my second to the last question. But you

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Speaker 1: mentioned as Recline. I know you loved the book Abundance.

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01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: He was a co author. You bought a bunch for

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01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: members of the legislature. A core tenant of the book

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01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: is that progressives have a special responsibility to spend money wisely.

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: Spending in California has gone from two hundred and eight

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01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: billion dollars when you took office, to almost three hundred

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01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: and fifty billion dollars in your latest budget just seven

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Speaker 1: years later. Now your critics would say at least twenty

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: billion dollars wasted in unemployment fraud. Your state auditors said

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Speaker 1: your administration failed to fully track more than twenty four

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: billion dollars in homeless spending or measure which programs are effective.

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Speaker 1: And you spent almost half a billion dollars on a

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01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: new nine to one to one system that had to

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01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: be scrapped. So how is this spending money wisely? And

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Speaker 1: please give me your response.

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Speaker 2: So the twenty billion dollars, the OIG at the DOL,

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: the Office of Inspector General at the Department of Labor

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Speaker 2: under the Trump administration during COVID came out with a

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01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 2: report that they estimated one hundred sixty three billion dollars

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,879
Speaker 2: of fraud was attached to the PUA program, the Pandemic

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: Unemployment Assistance program during the Trump administration federal dollars that

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Speaker 2: were distributed. California was actually a leader in highlighting some

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Speaker 2: of those concerns. California we estimate, by the way, was

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Speaker 2: our own report about twenty billion dollars of fraud during

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration related to that program, which was below

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Speaker 2: the national average, which is interesting. Number Two, We have

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: since hired a former Trump official, Gregor Scott, who is

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: prosecuting close to one nine and twenty nine at last

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01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: count people have been prosecuted, and we've clawed back six

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01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: billion dollars of that twenty billion dollars. We also led

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Speaker 2: the nation with three programs, Thompson, Reuter, and id ME,

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01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 2: notably the two that actually stopped over one hundred and

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 2: thirty five billion dollars in fraud, and we were promoted

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01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: and pushing anti fraud programs back then. That's the specific

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Speaker 2: as it relates to the audit on the twenty four billion,

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: it's just total. It's been debunked. California knows where every

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01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: single penny in terms of the homeless money went. What

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01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,879
Speaker 2: that audit reflected was local government's distribution on the final

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: distribution at their end of the government to nonprofits, etc.

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: But every single cent we can account for. And that's

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 2: that's universally accepted and known. But it's not an updated

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: talking point for those critics. You may have had one

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01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 2: additional point, and the broader point though, was on the meta.

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Speaker 1: It was on the nine to one to one system

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01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: that cost a half a billion dollars but was scrapped.

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: Which was initiated when we first got here. They moved

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01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: in a direction where they were trying to do these

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: regional approaches. We're now moving to a single system. People

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01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: that started that have been removed. There's now accountability that's

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: been pursued as it relates to the contractor and the

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: procurement related to that, and that is something that absolutely

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01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 2: we are addressing in a meaningful way. But let me

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01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 2: say what else we've addressed. We created the Office of

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 2: Digital Innovation. We did DOGE before DOGE was possible. Well,

1457
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: we've eliminated positions waste, fraud and abuse and redundancy. We

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 2: continue to highlight that as relates to the SNAP program,

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01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: which we just announced some new anti fraud efforts there

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: that have saved taxpayers billions of dollars. Our budget, by

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01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 2: the way, as the highest reserves this year, we're going

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: to have another surplus. Highest reserves has have paid down

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: in almost nineteen point seven billion dollars in pension obligations.

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: And yes, our economy has grown and our budget has

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: allowed us to invest one time capital one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty billion dollars. You can go to build dot CA,

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01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 2: dot gov. You can see exactly where you're one hundred

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01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: and eighty billion dollars ten year capital plans going. Where

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 2: a lot of that money growth has gone to invest

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: in the most historic infrastructure projects since Pat Brown was

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01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: governor in California. And I'm very proud of that, as

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: well as a lot of other programs that weed and enhanced.

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01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: But a lot of those things are just golden oldies

1474
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 2: that are Fox News talking points that seem to be

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01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: California specific and not necessarily reflective save my friend out

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01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: there in Minnesota to many other states.

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Speaker 1: I want to end on a philosophical note, since we've

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: been number crunching for the last half hour. You know,

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01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: it seems to me that Americans are really desperate for

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: good leadership, someone who truly appeals to the better angels

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01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: of our nature, as Abraham Lincoln said in his first

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: inaugural address as he was appealing for unity. Do you

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: think you're that kind of leader?

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01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I believe that that's not for me

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01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 2: to judge, for others to judge. I think all of

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: us have the capacity to flow at the force's life.

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: All of us have the ability to use the most

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01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: important authority, and that's moral authority in our day to

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01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: day lives. You saw that as the steal of the

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01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: spines of the Minnesota protesters that got Trump to reverse

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01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: course and get into retreat. You see that. I was

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: down in Fulton County. I was meeting with Ambassador Young

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01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 2: and we were talking about doctor King and his relationship

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Speaker 2: to Gandhi. And you know, I reflected after that meeting,

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Speaker 2: this was last week as neither of them spent a

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Speaker 2: day in elected office. I was never a Prime Minister Gandhi,

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Speaker 2: it was never President King. And they were some of

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Speaker 2: the most transformative leaders in our lifetime. So leadership can

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Speaker 2: be found anywhere. As the point, as it relates to

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Speaker 2: the point that you're emphasizing around what I referred to

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Speaker 2: earlier as the guy or gal and the white horse

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Speaker 2: that somehow is going to save the day. It's a

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Speaker 2: romanticized notion. In so many ways, the moment makes the

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Speaker 2: man or the woman, and that person will appear in

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Speaker 2: many ways. The obstacle is the way Trump currently what

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Speaker 2: stands the way becomes the way and sort of the

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Speaker 2: stoic mindset, the impediment to action becomes the action. How

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Speaker 2: we work around Trump and how Trump is and will

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Speaker 2: play an outsized role in shaping that paradigm of leadership

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Speaker 2: that we seek and we need as we turn from

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Speaker 2: resistance to renewal, which all of us are looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: When that moment presents itself, that leadership profile will present itself.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's a very organic thing. And I

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Speaker 2: think for any of us to answer that in absolute

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Speaker 2: terms humility and fate, we'll determine that more than personal opinion.

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Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom. The new book is called young Man

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Speaker 1: in a Hurry, a Memoir of Discovery. I can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough for being so generous with your time, for

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Speaker 1: answering all my questions and criticisms and philosophical thing so

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Speaker 1: I really really appreciate it. It's good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you.

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