Speaker 1: Look Out's only films to be buried with Judgment Day. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with Judgment Day.
Speaker 1: My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, writer, director,
Speaker 1: a beatboxer, and I love films. As Maggie Rogers once said,
Speaker 1: the cracks are where the light gets in, which is
Speaker 1: sort of like holes, which is like they're digging into
Speaker 1: the path until something good finally shines through or something
Speaker 1: like that. Anyway, thanks for the perspective, Maggie. Every week
Speaker 1: I'm in a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Speaker 1: Then I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that men the most of them.
Speaker 2: But not today. Today is Judgment.
Speaker 1: Day and Sean McLachlin is back for one chance to
Speaker 1: prove why I should send him to one place, heaven
Speaker 1: or Hell. All episodes of Shrinking Seasons one and two
Speaker 1: are now available on Apple TV. Get caught up on
Speaker 1: the whole seasons. You'll fucking love it. You will head
Speaker 1: over to the Patreon at patreon dot com, forward slash
Speaker 1: breat gouldst Team, where you get extra twenty minutes with Sean.
Speaker 1: We talk secrets, we talk all sorts of other things.
Speaker 1: You get the whole episode uncut, Adfrey, and there's a
Speaker 1: video check it out over at patreon dot com.
Speaker 2: Forward slash Breck Gulds Team.
Speaker 1: So Sean mclochlin's back for the third time for his
Speaker 1: Judgment Day. You love Sean. I love Sean. He's an
Speaker 1: amazing stand up He's brilliant at everything. Check out all
Speaker 1: his stand up specials if you can. We recorded this
Speaker 1: on Zoom very recently. It was a real pleasure to
Speaker 1: see him again. And I really think you're gonna love
Speaker 1: this one. So that is it for now. I very
Speaker 1: much hope you enjoy episode three hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 1: of Films to be Buried with Judgment Day. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Films to be Buried with Judgment Day.
Speaker 2: I am joined today for the third time.
Speaker 1: Actor, a writer, a podcaster, a supporter, a headliner, a
Speaker 1: stadium comedian, an arena comedian, the greatest comedian who has
Speaker 1: ever played a venue of three hundred million people. He's here.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. He's one of my favorites. Please
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. It's the amazing, it's the wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's Sean mc Lachlan. Hello, everyone, How are we? How
Speaker 1: are you Brett? I'm good, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: How are you, Sean?
Speaker 2: I'm good man.
Speaker 3: I was really curious to know how you'd play the
Speaker 3: intro this time, because I think I've got to be
Speaker 3: the least famous person who's ever appeared on this podcast,
Speaker 3: let alone who's appeared on it three times.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you having me back. That speaks
Speaker 1: to your talent and how one you are listen for
Speaker 1: someone who thinks he's not famous. You've probably played to
Speaker 1: more people than anyone else on this podcast, other than
Speaker 1: perhaps Ricky Gervas, who you open for.
Speaker 2: Do you still open for him? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I do some opening for him. I do a lot
Speaker 3: of gigs. I've opened for a lot of people, which
Speaker 3: is nice. So yeah, I guess I've played to a
Speaker 3: lot of people. Some of my jokes have been heard
Speaker 3: by a lot of people that I wrote that legally
Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to talk about. Yeah, yeah, I guess. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're a sort of culture changer. I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 3: I really wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 1: I'd say people talk about your stuff about knowing it's
Speaker 1: your stuff all around the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm banksy. Is this a good way?
Speaker 3: Is this a good way to announce that?
Speaker 1: I think I keep I'm going to keep bringing back
Speaker 1: until you finally admit, how have you been?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you in a while.
Speaker 3: Do you know what, man, I'm really good. Actually I'm
Speaker 3: still living in London. It's cold, but I'm very happily
Speaker 3: married and I'm enjoying my work and my life.
Speaker 2: And that's it. Really.
Speaker 3: I think I think I've reached a nice, mellow, simmering
Speaker 3: phase of my existence, Brett, where nothing much changes and
Speaker 3: I'm sort of okay with that.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about your new tour, your last I
Speaker 1: believe the last time when we talked about your last
Speaker 1: stand up show special, I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: all term greats.
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: How did you feel doing a new one? Were you stressed?
Speaker 1: We be like, how do I top that? That was
Speaker 1: so good? Or do you just go one day at
Speaker 1: a time? Well, no, no, I'll tell you what happened, Brett.
Speaker 3: I did a tour in twenty twenty two and the
Speaker 3: special came out in twenty twenty three. But I didn't
Speaker 3: really enjoy the tour. I found a lot of the
Speaker 3: shows were all fine, but I felt it was very
Speaker 3: schizophrenic up and down in terms of sales and in
Speaker 3: terms of my own mental state. And in the sort
Speaker 3: of two years since then, or sort of two and
Speaker 3: a half years, I was working on a lot of
Speaker 3: fun things. I was working, like a lot of scripted
Speaker 3: things going, and are the writing jobs that I had
Speaker 3: that I had to sign NDAs for.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I mean the ship project.
Speaker 1: That's probably because how you talk about it, please, you
Speaker 1: clearly have no.
Speaker 3: Respect for I worked on a TV show for like
Speaker 3: a like a big international TV show that I honestly
Speaker 3: think is what actually I actually think it's like a
Speaker 3: cultural low point for our speeches.
Speaker 2: Anyway, this is why you had decided I really wanted No.
Speaker 1: It was fine, I suppose, But the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: stand up.
Speaker 2: I didn't really know what I wanted to do with
Speaker 2: stand up.
Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to keep doing more stuff, and
Speaker 3: I really loved stand up, and I still love stand up,
Speaker 3: but it just I couldn't really see what.
Speaker 2: Was going to happen for me.
Speaker 1: A question, if I may, Yeah, the thing of you
Speaker 1: struggling on tour, was it the pressure of like ticket
Speaker 1: sales and organizing things and all of that, or was
Speaker 1: it actually doing the shows as well?
Speaker 2: That was not fair. I found all of it a
Speaker 2: bit much. I found all of that a bit much.
Speaker 3: And I suppose I would like to have thought that
Speaker 3: I'd reached a point where I wasn't to win over
Speaker 3: every single crowd I played all the time, and I
Speaker 3: clearly hadn't. It was the first time, probably in my life,
Speaker 3: I genuinely thought, I don't know if I'm going to
Speaker 3: keep doing this because I didn't need to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was at a lucky point where I
Speaker 2: was getting other work.
Speaker 3: But what happened is I sort of regrouped and I decided, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to like self produce my tour. I'm going
Speaker 3: to book in all of my own previews, I'm going
Speaker 3: to book in loads of I mean, basically, I'm in
Speaker 3: complete control of my building up in my stand up career,
Speaker 3: and I wondered if I could do that on a
Speaker 3: sort of bigger scale.
Speaker 2: And so that's what this tour is.
Speaker 3: I'm sort of I've booked in all the venues, and
Speaker 3: I'm doing all the promotion, and I'm doing all the
Speaker 3: pr and it's I have found it a thoroughly rewarding experience,
Speaker 3: and I feel like stand up has an ability to
Speaker 3: completely destroy someone. But I feel quite nourished by this. Actually,
Speaker 3: I feel very close to my audience. I feel very close,
Speaker 3: and the sales have never been better, and my mental
Speaker 3: health has never been better. I feel like I was
Speaker 3: chasing something. Before I was always chasing things. I always
Speaker 3: felt like I was behind. I don't know if that's
Speaker 3: the feeling you understand.
Speaker 1: What was it you think you were chasing that you're
Speaker 1: that you're not.
Speaker 2: I don't really know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I always loved doing the shows and the tours,
Speaker 3: you know. I always sold okay and the shows went well.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed doing them. But I guess there was just
Speaker 3: I wish I probably should have thought about this before
Speaker 3: I came on the show. I just knew in my heart.
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to do something a bit
Speaker 3: different next time, and I think that there. I think
Speaker 3: it's possible now, you know, going it alone is very
Speaker 3: possible these days. Yeah, I didn't know whether I had
Speaker 3: it in me, but I'm glad I've given it a go,
Speaker 3: and as a result, actually I think the work is
Speaker 3: way better. I stand up is way better. I'm very
Speaker 3: happy with what I'm producing. I'm very happy with with
Speaker 3: where my head's at this because you're doing lots of
Speaker 3: stand up now, Brett, I mean, you are really hit that.
Speaker 3: And do you feel how are you feeling about it?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like a burnout or do you feel
Speaker 3: like you're just riding a wave and you're fine with
Speaker 3: it because the sales are good and you don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about that other stuff.
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm completely honest, I did this very
Speaker 1: very big, long tour in America, and once I settled
Speaker 1: into it after the first few I fucking loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I really really loved it. I loved
Speaker 1: it all of it. I loved the travel, I loved
Speaker 1: the love doing the shows. And look, I've been very
Speaker 1: incredibly lucky the people's came, you know, I have not
Speaker 1: had that before, so people showing up is like exciting
Speaker 1: and I loved it, and I loved doing the sort
Speaker 1: of I always have a section at the end where
Speaker 1: I leave a box in the lobby for people to
Speaker 1: put questions in I don't see them, and then at
Speaker 1: the end I bring the box out and I do
Speaker 1: some of the questions.
Speaker 2: And improvise or whatever.
Speaker 1: So there's always like an exciting like this is only
Speaker 1: going to happen tonight sextion. Yeah, yeah, And I loved, love,
Speaker 1: loved it, and I had got to the only thing
Speaker 1: that happened is I started only very very towards the end,
Speaker 1: which surprised me. It took that long. But started to
Speaker 1: get slightly I think I've said these jokes enough, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I think it's time to
Speaker 1: do a new show, and I would put in a
Speaker 1: new line here and there, but the show was pretty
Speaker 1: much the show. It changed a bit, but there were
Speaker 1: long sections of it that stayed this is it. So
Speaker 1: it got to the stage where it's like, it's time
Speaker 1: to end this tour because I want to start new,
Speaker 1: And then there is the terrifying starting new where you're like,
Speaker 1: but that's really good, the stuff that I honed over
Speaker 1: that whole year that became really really tight and really
Speaker 1: like jokes on jokes on jokes and callbacks and everything.
Speaker 2: And then suddenly you're like, just an.
Speaker 1: Idea, I just got an idea and doing new material gigs,
Speaker 1: but also my experiences new material gigs always the scariest,
Speaker 1: always my favorite. Maybe it's the thing you're talking about
Speaker 1: of where it is ninety percent of my experience that
Speaker 1: when I have a thought or an idea that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't say that that's stupid or that's mad, that's
Speaker 1: a mad thing to think anything I'm sort of wary of.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can try this. If I do it,
Speaker 1: it's usually the best bit. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's usually the bit it's like, yes, of course, and
Speaker 1: then and then you feel fucking great because you go,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not completely insane or I am insane, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you what I found because I really
Speaker 3: because I almost decided after the twenty twenty two big year,
Speaker 3: because I still had loads of gigs in I still,
Speaker 3: you know, I was still a working comic, but I
Speaker 3: basically told myself, I am not going to write a
Speaker 3: joke for the next year, because I've been in this
Speaker 3: cycle of turning over an hour every year forever. I
Speaker 3: was like, I am not gonna I'm just gonna enjoy
Speaker 3: performing stuff that's gonna work and I'm not gonna worry
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: And I really did enjoy that.
Speaker 3: But The problem is the muscle of creating comedy of
Speaker 3: right and just is just atrify it.
Speaker 2: It's just gone.
Speaker 3: And so when I was trying to like go back
Speaker 3: to the gym and build myself up creatively, it took
Speaker 3: about six months for me to come up with anything good,
Speaker 3: and the doubts they percolate. But actually I feel like, really,
Speaker 3: I'm so grateful to have had that time off. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time you took between the
Speaker 3: end of that tour and saying that you wanted to
Speaker 3: do new knowing you you probably yeah, you probably probably
Speaker 3: booked a new material night.
Speaker 1: Ten minutes after the tour ended. I started to do
Speaker 1: new material of mid time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see I normally I've always been in that cycle myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But actually I realized for a long time, why isn't
Speaker 3: this working and why doesn't it feel right? Because I
Speaker 3: could deal with diagon my ass would do stuff. I
Speaker 3: can deal with it, it happens, but it's like, this feels different.
Speaker 3: And I realized this because I wasn't actually being myself
Speaker 3: in any way. I was doing an impression of who
Speaker 3: I was like five years ago. And if I've broken
Speaker 3: a cycle, which is gigging all the time and writing
Speaker 3: all the time, I've probably changed as a person and
Speaker 3: so maybe what I write needs to change as well.
Speaker 2: So I think that's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: Another reason why I'm really enjoying this is like I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm I've become a better comedian that I
Speaker 3: gave myself credit for.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because it's the closely particularly your sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and I think that's very true, and we're being very
Speaker 1: sincere about stand up.
Speaker 2: I apologize, but yeah, I hate it.
Speaker 1: I've just realized I'm like, yeah, I hate it because
Speaker 1: also I am just doing different types of fart jokes. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: all my stuffs, but really clever, really clever.
Speaker 2: But that thing of I've.
Speaker 1: Had someone say to me, you used to do a
Speaker 1: bit blah blah blah that I'd forgotten, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should do that again. And then I realized, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm not that person. It's I'm the wrong. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for me to do that anymore because
Speaker 1: I have changed slightly from then, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like I don't remember writing that, but.
Speaker 1: Then there's also times where I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's such a complicated thing, really, But all I knew
Speaker 3: is just like I had a thing in.
Speaker 2: Me that was like, you know, are you sure?
Speaker 3: You just gotta You've got to do something a bit
Speaker 3: different than what you've done before, because clearly that's not
Speaker 3: working and you're not happy with the way things are,
Speaker 3: and you're having these meetings with big offices and none
Speaker 3: of it feels right.
Speaker 2: None of it feels right.
Speaker 1: If I like a pixel movie, it's just you meeting
Speaker 1: with big offices, just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, John Ratzenberger plays the best office.
Speaker 2: It's a shame. Well, the thing is what's a shame.
Speaker 1: The only part that makes me said is that the
Speaker 1: tour you didn't enjoy and went sure about, I think
Speaker 1: is such a great show. I think it's a fantastic, brilliant,
Speaker 1: five star one of the great shows.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I've done the last two tours I did,
Speaker 3: which are the last two specials I did.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't complain.
Speaker 3: I got to write a show, I got to write
Speaker 3: loads of jokes and perform them for years, and I
Speaker 3: got to go around the world. So who's complaining All
Speaker 3: of this shit is in my head that I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's all stuff that none of it's real.
Speaker 1: It's more stuff like I don't know, Like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: Don Draper, but I want.
Speaker 2: To be Huckleberry Finn. It's like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: But I took a bit of time off and I
Speaker 3: tried to assess the landscape of stand up and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and do something else. It's one
Speaker 3: of those things where not being that successful is actually
Speaker 3: a positive because I have an avenue to actually do this.
Speaker 3: You know, what if I don't want to do five
Speaker 3: massive shows in a week. What if I want to
Speaker 3: do a tour where I do one show every ten
Speaker 3: days and that show is really special and that I
Speaker 3: love doing it, you would rather.
Speaker 2: Be Huckleberry Finn than Don Draper. I don't want to
Speaker 2: get hung up on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I know Huckleberry Finn that well.
Speaker 2: But I was trying to think of it.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of a corporate person, and
Speaker 3: for some reason, all I thought of was Don Draper.
Speaker 3: I should have said soul stuff. Yeah, they're both troubled.
Speaker 3: They're both pretty troubled souls.
Speaker 1: Okay, for anyone still listening, I can only apologize for
Speaker 1: the sincerity in which We've talked about standa but.
Speaker 2: You know what I feel.
Speaker 1: You you know me anyway, Sean McLaughlin, you have died again.
Speaker 4: It is because it is judgment day. You stand on
Speaker 4: the precipice between heaven and hell. You must tell me
Speaker 4: the best and worst thing that you did in your
Speaker 4: life and answer some questions about film. In the end,
Speaker 4: I will decide whether you get to go to heaven
Speaker 4: or hell.
Speaker 2: Understood, It's simple, really.
Speaker 1: It seems it. Yeah, I think I understand. Okay, So
Speaker 1: tell me the best and worst thing you did in
Speaker 1: your life showing.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess if it's a matter of judgment day,
Speaker 3: I'll talk about my charity work, which is extensive, okay,
Speaker 3: because I've given five pounds a month every month for
Speaker 3: about two years to the RSPB, which is the Society
Speaker 3: Protection of Birds. Yeah, so that's your thing, is it. Well,
Speaker 3: they've sent me a magazine every month. I've always put
Speaker 3: it straight in the fucking bin. But quit that magazine.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean there's actually a strong chance they're
Speaker 3: losing money as a result of sending me that magazine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I give to the birds.
Speaker 3: I went to the gym once and there was a
Speaker 3: stall in the lobby and they went, do you want
Speaker 3: to give to RSPB, And I was like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: and that's sort of the extent of my relationship with them,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure it counts for something, right, like im
Speaker 3: when I'm at the gates of Heaven, I'm sure Sat Peter, all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's loads of birds playing around, like, thank you, thank.
Speaker 2: You, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Everyone likes birds, right, I'm quite scared of birds, all right,
Speaker 1: So just remember i'm interns of Judgment day.
Speaker 2: Well what birds are you scared of? You're not scared of, Like,
Speaker 2: you're not scared of robins. I'm looking after. It's British
Speaker 2: birds like sparrows and ship It's.
Speaker 1: Not I'd be scared of robin. If it came really
Speaker 1: near me. It was flapping about my head.
Speaker 2: You'd be scared of a robin. I'd be like, funk
Speaker 2: off Robin. We did flack around my head, all right.
Speaker 1: Well the sort of moved, you know, I mean, like
Speaker 1: I like watching them in the distance.
Speaker 2: I want one up.
Speaker 3: I'm going to send an email to the charity and
Speaker 3: ask them to siphon the money to like distant birds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, birds like herons and stuff like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't mind watching like a you know, swooping around. But
Speaker 1: if a bird gets in your house, jumps in your house,
Speaker 1: you're not happy.
Speaker 3: If you're saying, like any charity, it's a ridiculous thing
Speaker 3: to say, well, I could give it.
Speaker 2: I could give you a cancer charity.
Speaker 3: If a cancer patient came into my house, I'll be
Speaker 3: get out of it.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be confused why this past is in
Speaker 1: your house. But I think you'd be loving and you'd
Speaker 1: be like, hey, can I help you? But I think
Speaker 1: if a bird suddenly appear in your house, I think
Speaker 1: you're going fuck off. Ship there's a bird in the house.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I could have said there that
Speaker 1: could have possibly helped me.
Speaker 2: I really thought hard. Let's ignore the birds.
Speaker 3: I volunteered for three weeks at the Amnesty International, So.
Speaker 2: There you go. This is legit now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the book. It was the bookshop. They
Speaker 3: have a bookshop, right, and I volunteered there for a while.
Speaker 3: What does that mean you just sat and read books.
Speaker 3: Let's not go into the details. I mean, do you
Speaker 3: have a problem with political prisoners as well? Did they
Speaker 3: scared you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I love books, and I love Amnesty International today.
Speaker 2: What you did for them was set in the books. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I also like if someone came in and wanted
Speaker 3: to buy a book, I would then go to the
Speaker 3: old woman who was working with me and go, can
Speaker 3: you do the till? Because I don't know how it works?
Speaker 3: And it's not that that is a selfless act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty pretty scary stuff you put yourself through there.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: What's the worst thing you do? Well, it might be
Speaker 1: here I give to this bird charity now. But genuinely,
Speaker 1: I worked at a fancy dress shop.
Speaker 3: For a while and I stopped forever when no it
Speaker 3: was bricks and mortar forever. Well, it wasn't forever because
Speaker 3: it went out of business while I was working there
Speaker 3: when I was I was seventeen, and I stole a
Speaker 3: hat from them, and I don't think I ever gave
Speaker 3: it back. What kind of hat with it? Like a
Speaker 3: sort of a fedora, like a gangster hat. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was pretty cool. Actually, well yeah I thought it was.
Speaker 3: I sat think that's the best thing you did in
Speaker 3: your life. I think you've mixed these two up. That
Speaker 3: sounds fucking cool. I think so far, so far it's
Speaker 3: a zero out of ted conversation from me.
Speaker 2: I've been way too sincere about stand up.
Speaker 3: I've tried to save your mortal at Bey the Birds,
Speaker 3: and I've stolen the hat.
Speaker 1: Well, having heard your stories, I'm still not sure whether
Speaker 1: to send you to heaven or hell. Perhaps these questions
Speaker 1: on other things made help. Let's see, then, what is
Speaker 1: the film that you saw when you were too young
Speaker 1: to see it that affected you the most.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much it affected me, but I
Speaker 3: saw Thelma and Louise when I was a very young child.
Speaker 3: That's a great one because I think my either my
Speaker 3: parents had rented the video, and I think I thought
Speaker 3: it was like a like a Forest Gump type film,
Speaker 3: and I guess it's sort of it. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: sort of fun and it's Americanda. But then there's a
Speaker 3: scene early on where one of the characters is like,
Speaker 3: there's a sexual assault, and then the man is shot
Speaker 3: dead by the other one, and as an eight year old,
Speaker 3: I remember thinking, I've not seen anything like this before,
Speaker 3: so it's probably film with Louise. Really for most of
Speaker 3: the time it's age age appropriate what I watched, but
Speaker 3: that felt quite adult.
Speaker 2: Were watching it on your own, Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 1: I was up at like six in the morning and
Speaker 1: my parents already had the video with and I just.
Speaker 2: Started watching it. Did you work it all the way
Speaker 2: to the end?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so. Do you think you cried at the end?
Speaker 2: It makes sense if I cried at the end.
Speaker 3: I mean I cried when and Ernie got trapped in
Speaker 3: King Tut's tomb, so I probably cried at Thelma Louise.
Speaker 1: If you could play one character in a film, which
Speaker 1: character would it be?
Speaker 2: I tell you this.
Speaker 3: This one was the easiest one to answer, which is
Speaker 3: quite depressing. But a character I've always really loved is
Speaker 3: Jerry Liundergard, who's William H. Macy's character in Fargo. Fascinating
Speaker 3: because I feel like that character is so incredible because
Speaker 3: he's obviously just a terrible craven man, that there's something
Speaker 3: so unique and how pitiful he is. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen a character like this, really,
Speaker 3: But there aren't many characters like that in film, where
Speaker 3: there's like he's so weak, he's so small and so
Speaker 3: pathetic that despite all of the terrible things that happen
Speaker 3: because of him. I don't hate him as much as
Speaker 3: I should. There's something sort of something hauntingly human about him,
Speaker 3: and so, yeah, I think that's probably someone I could.
Speaker 2: I think I've got a bit of that. What craving
Speaker 2: mean like wanting bad things?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I guess el not evil, but like yeah,
Speaker 3: like yeah evil evil? Guess I mean he asked, he
Speaker 3: arranges for his own wife to be kidnapped because he's
Speaker 3: in debt. It's so I mean, it's so awful, but
Speaker 3: he's craving A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it. I find him so I honestly
Speaker 1: I can't keep my eyes off him.
Speaker 3: I sort of get lost. I gets lost in him
Speaker 3: as a as a character. So I think I'd like
Speaker 3: to do that because he seems like a relatively normal
Speaker 3: bloke whose weakness has fucked him up.
Speaker 1: It is just some people just have a thing, and
Speaker 1: William Mats basically has that thing. He's just heartbreaking, isn't he.
Speaker 1: You know, nearly all the stuff he does in Pleasantville
Speaker 1: heartbreaking Inlia heartbreaking. He's got heartbreaking eyes. He's got sad eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe it's him, maybe the character.
Speaker 3: I can't tell if it's the character or William h
Speaker 3: make William Mason probably makes him more likable than he
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 1: Good answer, what is the worst date or time you
Speaker 1: ever had at a film in the cinema?
Speaker 3: When I went to see No Country for Old Men,
Speaker 3: I wasn't on a date, but during the first like
Speaker 3: really tense bit where Anton Sugar is in the is
Speaker 3: it the grocery store he's in with the.
Speaker 2: Heads of tails with the head tails.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's the first time, there's like lots of
Speaker 3: extended silences and the tension. And I remember during one
Speaker 3: of the real long silences, a guy in the back
Speaker 3: of the cinema laid out such a fart, such a
Speaker 3: pronounced fart, that everyone started laughing, and basically nothing in
Speaker 3: the film works. Nothing in the rest of the screening
Speaker 3: was a write because any time there was any tension,
Speaker 3: we were all laughing thinking about, imagine if he farts again.
Speaker 2: Do you think like.
Speaker 1: A man deliberately funded for everyone to hear or was
Speaker 1: thinking I'll get away with this and happened to misstime it,
Speaker 1: like I mean, there's no I mean, he probably could
Speaker 1: never have imagined it would be as loud as it was,
Speaker 1: because honestly, the decibel level.
Speaker 2: On this thing you recreate it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I would have been like, I don't
Speaker 3: know when was it released? It as an eight, so
Speaker 3: I'm like twenty and was it? He goes on where
Speaker 3: does you work? Where does your work? What times you
Speaker 3: get off? And then the other goes, oh about six
Speaker 3: six thirty, and then you see it and everyone's at
Speaker 3: the edge of their seat, and.
Speaker 2: Then it's like.
Speaker 3: It was like a die. It was like a dying star.
Speaker 3: It felt like a dying star. It was over. The
Speaker 3: whole film was over.
Speaker 2: That is very funny. So that's probably the worst time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good one.
Speaker 1: If if you could live in the world of one film,
Speaker 1: which would it be?
Speaker 3: I picked Wayne's World. I only just realized there's a world.
Speaker 2: In Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 3: I always loved Wayne's World because I always loved It's
Speaker 3: got a good feeling and there's kind of it feels
Speaker 3: like there's good community in it, and I always like
Speaker 3: the idea of it. It seems like there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of nice, goofy people working together to try and make
Speaker 3: stuff happen, and I think that's always how you want
Speaker 3: to live life. Everyone seems to be having fun in
Speaker 3: Wayne's World, and it feels like the sun's always shining
Speaker 3: and everyone's funny. It's clean in waynsworld, isn't it. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's clean. I'd love to hang out in Wayne's world.
Speaker 3: I'd love to be their friend.
Speaker 1: I sort of thought, oh, maybe I should pick Star
Speaker 1: Wars or Star Trek, but actually I think i'd fit
Speaker 1: in in Wayne's world. Got a rock rock concerts and
Speaker 1: play hockey in the streets. Yeah, it's fun, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Game on fun?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a real nice feeling to that. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they make films that feel like that anymore.
Speaker 1: It's a great, great point made a comedy with that
Speaker 1: sort of vibe in a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you need to do that for us.
Speaker 3: Sean, Yeah, I'll do that. That'd be nice. What is
Speaker 3: your favorite children's film? My favorite children's film is Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I actually I love Chicken Run so much that I
Speaker 3: was like, I have to talk about Chicken Run, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to stop talking about it ever. I
Speaker 3: rewatched it a lot when I was working on this
Speaker 3: animated project that who knows if it'll ever see the
Speaker 3: live of day now, but whatever, but I've watched Chicken
Speaker 3: Run when I was sort of in deep in it,
Speaker 3: and I think it's just unbelievable. I think it's like
Speaker 3: it's one of the few perfect films like and I
Speaker 3: think Ardman animation are like such a blessing. And I
Speaker 3: think Nick park Is, I think he's the best British director.
Speaker 3: Like no one ever talks about him, but like the genre,
Speaker 3: the genre hopping, it's basically like like it's like a
Speaker 3: horror film and it's an action film and it's so
Speaker 3: sweet and it's so I think it's just ten out
Speaker 3: of ten across the board.
Speaker 1: Really, you're so right about the directing and also the
Speaker 1: staging of action sequences. Yeah, the actual geography of an
Speaker 1: action scene.
Speaker 2: He is one of the great action directors.
Speaker 3: I really think that the opening scene where you meet
Speaker 3: that where the farmers dogs are attacking the chickens, and
Speaker 3: some of the camera work there is because he's basically
Speaker 3: like Hitchcock. He loves Hitchcock. Yeah, so he basically does
Speaker 3: Hitchcock but with animated chickens. So everyone's laughing. It's so funny, man,
Speaker 3: it's such a funny film.
Speaker 2: That's great. Do you like the sequel? Ah? Yeah, okay, sorry.
Speaker 3: No I do I do.
Speaker 2: I think the problem is is it's what can you do?
Speaker 2: It's lighting.
Speaker 3: I think the first one was lighting in a bottle. Also,
Speaker 3: the first one was like very it's very dark. Loads
Speaker 3: of the scenes are at night, and it's like in
Speaker 3: this sort of camp and it's all brown and dark
Speaker 3: earth tones, and I think that added to it. I
Speaker 3: don't know, it felt like felt very lived in. Does
Speaker 3: that make sense?
Speaker 2: It does make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, What is the film that you didn't think you
Speaker 1: would like that you ended up loving so much.
Speaker 2: I really loved watching it in the cinema.
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd love it if I watched
Speaker 3: it again, because I think a lot of the criticism
Speaker 3: of the film maybe would have got to me. But
Speaker 3: I didn't want to see Baz Lehman's Elvis film right,
Speaker 3: And I saw it in the cinema, and I don't
Speaker 3: know whether it just got me in the right mood,
Speaker 3: whether I was so taken by it. I just thought
Speaker 3: it was brilliant and I loved how crazy it was.
Speaker 3: I loved how Tom Haggs was just I even know
Speaker 3: what character he was playing. Genuinely, it was like someone
Speaker 3: out of a studio Ghibli film, and I loved how
Speaker 3: they like updated the music and stuff. I thought it
Speaker 3: was like Wild and Fronetta. And I'm not a huge
Speaker 3: Baslerman fan, but I thought it was like a perfect
Speaker 3: meeting of like aesthetic with subjects.
Speaker 1: So I thought it did really well that I don't
Speaker 1: think many films do well. I think A Star is Born,
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper's Went does it really well, and Elvis does
Speaker 1: it well. It does live performance really well, Like particularly
Speaker 1: the Vegas section really feels like, Yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: it feels like.
Speaker 2: That's a great that's a great point. It was.
Speaker 3: It was the first time I'd ever I watched that,
Speaker 3: and I think because of the sound or how they
Speaker 3: remix the songs or how they film the live scenes,
Speaker 3: I actually understood why Elvis would have been exciting. This is
Speaker 3: impossible for me today to actually know, but then that film,
Speaker 3: I was excited watching him go or is it?
Speaker 2: That's the problem with other ones.
Speaker 3: It's like most musical biopics they show them playing the song.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. I'm like, well, they were
Speaker 2: excited by Johnny Cash.
Speaker 3: I care about this guy, but Elvis, I cared about
Speaker 3: this guy. So yeah, that was it, And you know,
Speaker 3: what Let's Hanks do an impression of someone completely different.
Speaker 2: I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: Let him, let him fla beautiful What is the single
Speaker 1: most erotic moment.
Speaker 2: In a film? I don't like this question. I think
Speaker 2: it's too horned. I thought you wouldn't. Why do you
Speaker 2: put it there? Then? Because I'm not a fucking prude?
Speaker 3: You well, my question is the most My answer is
Speaker 3: the most prude answer. They get ready for this, here
Speaker 3: we go, Well a want of podcasts. I don't want
Speaker 3: to go like, oh yeah, I got such a massive
Speaker 3: erection when this happens.
Speaker 2: I actually do have quite a hot one.
Speaker 3: Actually in Pleasantville, Love Love great film. There's that bit
Speaker 3: where Toby Maguire's character who is in Pleasantville and knows
Speaker 3: all the plots of what's this fictional show? And I
Speaker 3: don't know what the character's name is, but she's says, oh,
Speaker 3: I baked you these cookies, and he goes, no, you
Speaker 3: baked them for Whitey, who's like the other character. And
Speaker 3: she goes, no, I baked them for you, and he goes, no,
Speaker 3: you baked them for Whitey. And then she goes right
Speaker 3: up to him and pushes the cookies in and she goes, No,
Speaker 3: I bake them for you, and it's there's such a
Speaker 3: great It's yes, great because also it's a great depiction
Speaker 3: of that moment, which we're all lucky to have had, hopefully,
Speaker 3: where someone you thought had absolutely no interest in you
Speaker 3: suddenly makes it very clear that you are viable for them.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's more erotic than that? Sun? God, damn it,
Speaker 2: you did it. You did it. God, you you really
Speaker 2: did that. I thought that was going to annoy me,
Speaker 2: and I in fact think that is brilliant. Do you
Speaker 2: think so? Yeah? I do. I think that's brilliant. You're
Speaker 2: very good at this. That's why you keep having your back.
Speaker 3: Can I ask where you are in this whole Sex
Speaker 3: scenes are superfluous debate that's happening in circles now, because
Speaker 3: if if I think you're pro sex scene, I think actually,
Speaker 3: you're like, we need more sex scenes added. Retrospectively, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're why isn't it all sex scenes?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think that there is a very strange
Speaker 1: thing in our culture. I find it very very strange
Speaker 1: that we have the Internet, which is filled with the
Speaker 1: most extreme pornography ever and it's everywhere and ubiquitous, and
Speaker 1: then in kind of mainstream culture and in cinema it's
Speaker 1: become almost Victorian. There's so little sex, it's almost and
Speaker 1: there's all these sort of think pieces about nudity and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I kind of go.
Speaker 2: Why haven't it sex?
Speaker 1: Like sex is great, like and it's and it's storytelling,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's an important part of a story.
Speaker 1: If character like sexist communication, sex is part of character's journey.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying every film has to have it, but
Speaker 1: sometimes I watch things I go, where was the sex?
Speaker 2: Like? What happens? Like? What are we hiding from.
Speaker 1: The last thing you watched? Like that Inside Out too?
Speaker 1: Shrek four? Are they not fucking anyone?
Speaker 2: Was going on? I can send you.
Speaker 1: I can send you some clips if you're into Shrek character,
Speaker 1: I've got some lenks listen. And also it depends on context,
Speaker 1: and it depends how it's done, of course, and I've
Speaker 1: seen things I have seen. I've seen the examples where
Speaker 1: I'm like, that seemed done necessary and we definitely didn't
Speaker 1: need to see all that. But then there's stuff where
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I talk about it all the tongues.
Speaker 1: It's one of my I think it's the greatest film
Speaker 1: ever made. But you watch the sex scene in Don't
Speaker 1: Look Now, and not only is it very well done,
Speaker 1: it's fucking moving. It makes you cry. It's fucking beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like it's story. It's it's this married couple who haven't
Speaker 1: had sex since their child died, finally reconnecting for the
Speaker 1: first time, and it's sexy and it's lovely, but it's moving,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. I'm like, that's story. I'm glad we saw that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm watching the Sopranos at the moment, and the way
Speaker 3: that sexuality is used as a plot device or a
Speaker 3: way of expressing character, it's so ingenious in that I think, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is. Yeah, you're right, You're right about that.
Speaker 2: More sex, That's what I say.
Speaker 1: But also, why are we being what's this sort of
Speaker 1: Victorian thing of It's like shame, there's shame and nudity
Speaker 1: and shame and sex like what we do it.
Speaker 3: I suppose there is definitely times where I've watched films
Speaker 3: and they crowbar in a bit of nudity and it's
Speaker 3: so gratuitous and unnecessary, and I suppose it's like anything
Speaker 3: we all debate about anything. Yeah, the bad things let
Speaker 3: down the whole team, you know, Yeah, you're right. They
Speaker 3: made that star trek into Darkness the second reboot y, Yeah,
Speaker 3: did you know that? But I mean where there's just
Speaker 3: I don't even know who the actor's name is. She's
Speaker 3: just yeah, she's just fair enough, she's just she's just
Speaker 3: in her underwear. I don't even know why, just so
Speaker 3: teenage boys gonna have a gift to send. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: find I just find it interesting, you know, it is interesting.
Speaker 3: And I watch Baby Girl. Have you seen Baby Girl?
Speaker 3: I've actually not seen Baby Girl.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's so, it's so I have like huge
Speaker 1: respect for Baby because it's fucking weird. It's a very
Speaker 1: unique film that is in the cinema and it has
Speaker 1: a lot of sex in it. It doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of nudity, has a lot of sex, and it
Speaker 1: has a lot of I don't want to say weird
Speaker 1: because for some people it's not weird, but it's.
Speaker 2: A what's the word?
Speaker 1: Clearly the director, I believe this is very much stuff
Speaker 1: she's into. You know, unusual activities go on, unusual behaviors,
Speaker 1: and Nicole Kimmen is so all in. It's very, very impressive,
Speaker 1: and she does an awful lot of She's all in
Speaker 1: and I really admired it, and I thought, this is great.
Speaker 1: You don't see enough of this like this seems interesting.
Speaker 1: This is a whole area of human expression, behavior understanding
Speaker 1: that we don't see.
Speaker 2: Well, so I'm all for it.
Speaker 3: Will put a pin in this because one of my
Speaker 3: choices later on is that will probably link very nicely
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 1: Which film you don't care about as a whole, has
Speaker 1: a single sequence that you love.
Speaker 3: I don't like the filming Glorious Bastards. Okay, have you
Speaker 3: heard of it. I've seen it, and I do like it,
Speaker 3: but I'm never going to I don't. I'm not into
Speaker 3: it very much. Maybe i'd like it more if I
Speaker 3: watched it now. But obviously the opening scene is so
Speaker 3: tremendous and tonally, it's almost like it's it's from a
Speaker 3: completely different film, because there's actual stakes and actual emotion there,
Speaker 3: and I feel it's so I still think it's like
Speaker 3: a jaw dropping display of filmmaking, tension, character. I think
Speaker 3: the dialogue is astonishing, and then the rest of it
Speaker 3: it's just like Suicide Squad, but it's Nazis, so I
Speaker 3: don't care about.
Speaker 1: The opening would really benefit it's so tense and so quiet,
Speaker 1: it would really benefit from someone firing at the back
Speaker 1: of the room. As soon as the farmer's tears are
Speaker 1: shed and he realizes what he's about to do, then Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the film that stayed with you the longest
Speaker 1: after seeing it?
Speaker 3: I tell you what film did, and I still basically
Speaker 3: once every six months to a deep dive into it.
Speaker 3: And that's did you ever see that film Overnight? The
Speaker 3: documentary Yes from two thousand and three, Yes, and made
Speaker 3: The boon Docks Saints. Troy Duffy. Yeah, Troy Duffy, Yes,
Speaker 3: I have seen it. I've found it so depressive. I
Speaker 3: find that film. Yeah, it's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: It's so horrible, horrible, and it's so viable, like it's
Speaker 1: there are so many people who if they were that
Speaker 1: to happen to them, it would it would probably turn
Speaker 1: out exactly the same.
Speaker 2: Tell the story for people who may not have seen
Speaker 2: over Night.
Speaker 3: I've never seen The Boondock Saints, but in the nineties,
Speaker 3: this guy called Troy Duffy who was working in la
Speaker 3: I think he was just working at a bar and
Speaker 3: he was in a like a pub band, wrote this script,
Speaker 3: sold it to Mirrormax, and he was given this offer
Speaker 3: that he would direct this film, his band would do
Speaker 3: the soundtrack, and Harvey Weinstein, who was running Miramax, was like.
Speaker 2: I'll even buy you the bar.
Speaker 3: And it was this big and this was like the
Speaker 3: time of like indie auta cinema was exploding, like Tarantino
Speaker 3: and Kevin Smith and stuff like that. And he hired
Speaker 3: his friends to like make a documentary about his rise,
Speaker 3: about how this brilliant artist that he was was going
Speaker 3: to make the most of it. And the film basically
Speaker 3: chronicles him pissing everyone off, making every mistake in the book.
Speaker 3: His ego gets completely out of whack and he ends
Speaker 3: up with basically nothing. I mean, he did make the film,
Speaker 3: so I guess that's not nothing. But is that a
Speaker 3: good way of describing it. I don't even know how
Speaker 3: he's a monster. I mean he becomes a monster very quickly,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how accurate it is.
Speaker 2: Maybe you've got more inside knowledge about how the.
Speaker 1: Film is made by his friends, Like that's how bad
Speaker 1: he was that all this footage that his friends had
Speaker 1: where they were kind of like, well, we're shooting back
Speaker 1: in the scenes of this amazing thing, and all they
Speaker 1: reveal is what a ego munster he becomes.
Speaker 3: I think it's like that's the dark side of Like
Speaker 3: whenever you're in any creative field, there's so many people
Speaker 3: like that, but they never get to where he got.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's, yeah, the biggest whanker at the open
Speaker 3: mic night was given the golden ticket, and you follow
Speaker 3: him burning it to the ground. It's pretty extraordinary. Like
Speaker 3: I guess it's it is interesting on like a spiritual level.
Speaker 3: It's like it's the purest example of following the wrong thing,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like he immediately, whether it
Speaker 3: started as a creative, pure idea, he immediately gets caught
Speaker 3: up in fame and power and completely being number one
Speaker 3: and not at all about the creative, and there is
Speaker 3: nothing creative about him. There is no point in the
Speaker 3: whole film, there is no point where he talks about
Speaker 3: how excited he is to make this. He just the
Speaker 3: only thing he's excited about is that everyone thinks he's great.
Speaker 3: The work means nothing to him. Oh God, it's horrible.
Speaker 3: It really. It really keeps me up at night because, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think it could become you if you're not
Speaker 3: aware of it, but it's probably closer to us than
Speaker 3: we'd imagine, or something like that.
Speaker 1: It probably is what is the film that makes you
Speaker 1: feel better about the world.
Speaker 2: On the other ends, poor things.
Speaker 3: Because it's so crazy and it's so funny and it's
Speaker 3: so wild, and if you talk about all in, this
Speaker 3: is the one I had in mind.
Speaker 2: These actors are all in. It's like it's like a.
Speaker 3: Victorian tinged soft core porn film about life and death.
Speaker 3: And the fact that it was like a huge hit
Speaker 3: and that everyone loved it and that you could still
Speaker 3: get megastars to commit themselves and stuff like this.
Speaker 2: I found it really like good.
Speaker 3: I watched it in a full cinema of like a
Speaker 3: very mixed audience, and everyone just got such a kick
Speaker 3: out of it. And whenever you whenever something that's like
Speaker 3: that wild gets popular, I think that's a really positive thing,
Speaker 3: because all we're told about is how every the edgency
Speaker 3: to be shaved off everything and the public can't handle things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's how.
Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that you could even get funding
Speaker 3: for a film like that, and that you can even
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know how you put a
Speaker 3: film like that together. It's it's incredible. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: and I didn't know anything about it going in. It
Speaker 3: was like I was suddenly put on a roller coaster
Speaker 3: and I just sort of had to figure it out
Speaker 3: pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you good at this?
Speaker 3: Am I Yeah, I feel like I'm really bored. I
Speaker 3: had a smoke alarm issue about two minutes before we started.
Speaker 3: My smoke alarm wouldn't stop going off, and I on
Speaker 3: a smoke machine In case you were boring, No, my
Speaker 3: smoke alarm went off and I didn't know why, so
Speaker 3: I made the executive decision to take the battery out
Speaker 3: and ignore the problem. It'll all be fine. This might
Speaker 3: be the last time we see you. Which is your
Speaker 3: favorite couple in a film? This is the second appearance
Speaker 3: of Fargo. I like Marge and Norm Francis McDormand and
Speaker 3: the actor whose name I always forget. I think I
Speaker 3: think Fargo is one of my It's like top five
Speaker 3: for me, and I never really think that it is.
Speaker 3: But I think their marriage is the most perfect. It's
Speaker 3: like the most perfect depiction of like small town normal
Speaker 3: people who are just in love and they care about
Speaker 3: each other, and it's never pronounced in the film, but
Speaker 3: it's the kind of heartbeat. The whole heartbeat of the
Speaker 3: film is the idea that there are still very good
Speaker 3: people in this world and that they can win. And
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's like the most unassuming depiction of
Speaker 3: like a genuine love. So I'd say them, really, there's.
Speaker 1: No fireworks fantastic answer, do you not think it is?
Speaker 1: It's a really really good answering, and I'd never thought
Speaker 1: about it, but you're absolutely right. She remains sort of
Speaker 1: pure hearted despite all this sort of darkness, and they
Speaker 1: still just get on with things quietly.
Speaker 2: But it's sweet, I think. So I like that.
Speaker 3: I think it's telling that the final scene of the
Speaker 3: whole film, as all of this stuff has happened, all
Speaker 3: this catastrophe has happened, and it's just those two in
Speaker 3: bed talking about his stamps. He goes, Oh, yeah, they're
Speaker 3: going to make a stamp of me. It's just like
Speaker 3: it's it's perfect the manouche and that's what matters to her.
Speaker 3: You know, she's been involved in this crazy case, but
Speaker 3: actually the thing that matters to her is that she's
Speaker 3: having a baby with this guy and he does his paintings.
Speaker 2: It's really nice, So I sort of I view them as.
Speaker 3: Like an aspiration. They seem very content. Is that how
Speaker 3: you view your marriage?
Speaker 2: Oh? No, oh, now we're in baby girl territory. Man,
Speaker 2: We're We're deep, We're deep. What film inspired you to
Speaker 2: do something?
Speaker 3: This one's going to be really lame, Brett, Okay, you're
Speaker 3: going to think this is so cringe and your listeners
Speaker 3: are going to hate me.
Speaker 2: I think, I bet I love it.
Speaker 3: But I love the Holdover's loads like everyone, it's great, great,
Speaker 3: But the Holdovers inspired me because in this period that
Speaker 3: I was talking about at the beginning, when I wasn't
Speaker 3: sure what to do about Stand Up all but my life,
Speaker 3: my moving forward, my career, I did a film course, right,
Speaker 3: I like, got a certificate in film directing.
Speaker 2: Wow, where did you do that?
Speaker 3: Just some just some guy on the corner was running
Speaker 3: it and I and I found it such a It
Speaker 3: was a real challenge. It was something I'd always thought, Oh,
Speaker 3: I think I could do this. I think I'd like
Speaker 3: to do this, And it was very difficult, and ultimately
Speaker 3: I think I did well out of it. And I
Speaker 3: made a short film and I loved working with actors
Speaker 3: and with a crew. But I didn't know really what
Speaker 3: it was going to do, and I didn't know what
Speaker 3: it would lead. I didn't know anything like that. And
Speaker 3: then I saw that film, The Holdovers, and I felt this.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it's a brilliant film, but also it's
Speaker 3: like it's such a small, intimate film about just people
Speaker 3: talking and changing and growing. And I thought, I'd love
Speaker 3: to be able to make something like that. I think
Speaker 3: if I can make anything, it's probably something like that.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't really know what else I could do,
Speaker 3: but the fact it made me really want to try
Speaker 3: and make a film, So I guess I'll pick that.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, and I'm no further on from
Speaker 1: that point. I should make that clear. Yeah, can we
Speaker 1: put your shot on the Patreon? Oh, if I can
Speaker 1: find it? Yeah, it was. It was I filmed it
Speaker 1: is part of the course and it was.
Speaker 2: A minute and a half long and it was silent. Ah,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll think about it. It was good though. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It was funny, but I wanted to like, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: seeing a film like that and knowing that there's still
Speaker 3: a market even if it's small, for just little films
Speaker 3: of people talking.
Speaker 2: That's what I like people talking, you know too, Sean McLaughlin.
Speaker 1: You have given me pause, so many interesting answers, but
Speaker 1: I'm still undecided. What one film would you leave for
Speaker 1: the people of Earth that is meaningful in the hope
Speaker 1: that I will spare your life.
Speaker 3: Well, Brett, I would leave the film Galaxy Quest, because
Speaker 3: I think it's very meaningful.
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 3: Really wonderful comedy about vandom and friendship, and I think
Speaker 3: it's got adventure and it's got love, and it's got
Speaker 3: loads of jokes. So I would leave Galaxy Quest, a
Speaker 3: film which I think is getting more popular by the day, and.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy about that. Seor mclatlin, you have been
Speaker 1: so wonderful. God, I really really like you. You know what,
Speaker 1: After all that, I've decided you're going to heaven.
Speaker 3: We thank you, young man. Very happy to be going
Speaker 3: to Heaven. I'm really looking forward to it. Have great
Speaker 3: fun up there, thanks man. Maybe I'll see you there
Speaker 3: one day.
Speaker 2: Maybe one day.
Speaker 1: Now, tell us, Sean, before we say goodbye, tell us
Speaker 1: about your tour, tell us what we should be looking
Speaker 1: out for, and tell us what to listen to.
Speaker 3: Starting I'd really like it if you come to the
Speaker 3: tour if you live in the UK and Europe. Some
Speaker 3: dates are on sale. Where would we find them just
Speaker 3: by googling you? Yeh, I guess Sean Dotlincomedy dot Com
Speaker 3: is the website. The show is called White Elephant, so
Speaker 3: you could also look that up, I guess, and going
Speaker 3: all over Europe, all over UK, probably doing North America
Speaker 3: and maybe Australia at some point. And also you can
Speaker 3: watch my old specials or listen to my old albums.
Speaker 2: Hard recommend and I.
Speaker 3: Am funnier on stage, done off, so keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: Agreed to disagree all the time. That's good Sean mcgloughlin.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this again. Perhaps if you're a
Speaker 1: good person, one day you'll come back for the reincarnation.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time and your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brett, good night, goodbye. So that was episode
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Head over to the patron of patroon dot com forward
Speaker 1: Suspect Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secret
Speaker 1: and video with Sean McLoughlin. Thank you so much to
Speaker 1: Sean for giving me his time. Thanks to Scruby's pipping.
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Speaker 1: producing it, Thanks to iHeartMedia and Pharaohs Big Money Plays
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Speaker 1: week for a brilliant episode with a very funny comedian.
Speaker 2: That is it for now. Thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1: I hope you're all well, have a lovely week, and
Speaker 1: in the meantime, please, now more than ever, be excellent
Speaker 1: to each other.