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Speaker 1: Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua B. Warren, and

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Speaker 1: each week on this show, I'll be bringing you brand

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Speaker 1: new mind blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments you

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Speaker 1: this edition of the show, the Brown Mountain Lights Part one.

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Speaker 1: Because this is a big story, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: many parts we're going to have, but this has been

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Speaker 1: a big part of my life and I decided I'm

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Speaker 1: just going to take my time and tell you this

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Speaker 1: whole story. However many parts it takes, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like a soap opera. I believe you will be surprised. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was born and raised in Asheville, North Carolina, in

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Speaker 1: the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains there in the

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Speaker 1: western part of the state. That's where my family on

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Speaker 1: both sides had been for generations. And if you drive

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Speaker 1: a little over an hour from Asheville, close to Morganton,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, you enter the Pizga National Forest and you

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Speaker 1: find Brown Mountains. It's on the border of Burke and

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Speaker 1: Caldwell Counties. This is a long, low lying ridge about

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Speaker 1: twenty three hundred feet in elevation. And uh, there's an

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Speaker 1: overlook there off of they call it Highway one eight one,

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Speaker 1: where you can park and look at this mountain. And

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Speaker 1: here is what I once wrote about Brown Mountain. The

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Speaker 1: back side of the mountain is quite lush, scenic. Streams

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Speaker 1: rush through crags, cutting mighty gaps through the mountain boulders.

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Speaker 1: There are ferns, mushrooms, mosses, and other signs of moist life. However,

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Speaker 1: as one ascends the mountain, the moisture dwindles. Many of

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Speaker 1: the trees on the mountain side sparse and dead, perhaps

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Speaker 1: suffering from acid rain. The ridge is primarily composed of

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Speaker 1: ordinary cranberry granite. It contains sandstone, quartz, and mica. Iron

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Speaker 1: has also been found on the mountain. The area around

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Speaker 1: Brown Mountain is a black bear reserve, and it's also

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Speaker 1: well known for copper heads, one of the most deadly

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Speaker 1: snakes in the country. The Brown Mountain area is extremely rugged,

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Speaker 1: thus hikers and bikers in the area have died from accidents.

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Speaker 1: The side of the ridge is covered with slick rock faces,

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Speaker 1: especially treacherous when covered with water or fallen leaves. One

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Speaker 1: of the biggest reasons the lights are still a mystery

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Speaker 1: is because it's so dangerous and difficult to navigate the

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Speaker 1: ridge and surrounding land. There are also some small caves

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Speaker 1: and holes around the mountain. It's noteworthy that Brown Mountain

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Speaker 1: is a short distance from the Lynville Caverns, the only

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Speaker 1: quote show cave in the entire state of North Carolina. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: the ridge is almost completely encircled by thrust faults. I'll

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Speaker 1: geologic movement during the daytime. From a distance, the ridge

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Speaker 1: appears quite insignificant, but at night, it can sometimes steal

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Speaker 1: That on this ridge, these multicolored balls of light would

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Speaker 1: at night, and nobody could explain what calls them. Scientists

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Speaker 1: Legend of the Brown Mountain Lights. And uh, you should

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Speaker 1: the song uh, and there we'll get into some of

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Speaker 1: can see the brown mountain lights. And so it was

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Speaker 1: And so that for me, that really began my journey, uh,

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Speaker 1: investigating the Brown Mountain lights. And at this point, I

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Speaker 1: It's very erry outdated. In fact, there's different software and everything,

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Speaker 1: talking about these Lights Discovery Travel Channel nat g O.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and on um. I

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Speaker 1: which is run every October, and it definitely features the lights,

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Speaker 1: and that is thanks to Ed Phillips, who is the

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Speaker 1: director of the Burke County Tourism Development Authority. He picked

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Speaker 1: me and asked me to do this. Their website, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is discover Burke County dot com. You'd be

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Speaker 1: amazed how much cool stuff there is to do in

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Speaker 1: booklet really that they could give out, and I did that.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, let me just read to

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Speaker 1: you the intro to my booklet here called Brown Mountain

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Speaker 1: Lights of Viewing Guide and uh, you can actually get

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Speaker 1: this for free if you go to Brown Mountain Lights

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Speaker 1: dot com. There's a place to download this as a pdf.

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Speaker 1: I wrote. The Brown Mountain Lights are a world famous

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Speaker 1: topic of mystery and debate. For more than a century. Locals, tourists, scientists,

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Speaker 1: and researchers have been baffled by this weird and complex phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Most people think of the lights as a wondrous, colorful

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Speaker 1: display on dark ridges at night, and yet an entire

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Speaker 1: subculture associates the enigma with UFOs, underground bases, conspiracies, reality warps,

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Speaker 1: and high strangeness similar to the Bermuda triangle. In this

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Speaker 1: of weird illuminations presented for years, some who have never

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Speaker 1: is only one way for you to know. You must

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Speaker 1: the phenomenon for decades, and in this guide book, I'll

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Speaker 1: All the while I will maintain a somewhat cautious and

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Speaker 1: are a great mystery, and though there are many theories,

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Speaker 1: this area around Morganton is an area where lots of

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Speaker 1: are lots of stories, lots of legends in the folklore

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Speaker 1: ninety there was a book published by the Mysterious Commander

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Speaker 1: X called Underground Alien Bases, in which he says that

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00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: Brown Mountain is an underground base of this type. More

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00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: on that sort of thing later, but just to give

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Speaker 1: you an idea of how popular the Brown Mountain Lights

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00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: started to become. On May nine of nineteen, there was

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Speaker 1: an episode of the X Files TV series called Field

435
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Trip that featured the Brown Mountain Lights, and uh, you

436
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: know it was it was a very weird episode, but

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00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: it was obviously was ended up being connected to aliens

438
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: and UFOs and all that. But when this thing was

439
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: on the X Files, I mean a lot of people

440
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: heard about it for the first time because of that,

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00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: So there was this explosion in popular culture. More interest

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00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: in the Brown Mountain lights. As a matter of fact,

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00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen, there was a movie made that

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00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: was set at Brown Mountain, kind of a mockumentary type movie. Uh,

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00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: and it was called Alien Abduction. I'm in that movie. Uh.

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00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: The guy who made it, Maddie Beckerman. He he kind

447
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: of wanted to do a Blair Witch sort of thing

448
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: where he tells the you know, the story of this

449
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: family that goes up to Brown Mountain and gets abducted,

450
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: but to make it seem more realistic, he actually hired

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00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: me and other real experts and witnesses to just comment

452
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: about the lights, and he edited that in. And to

453
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: this day, there are people who contact me believing that

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00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: that that mockumentary was real. He must have done a

455
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: pretty good job of convincing some people that that was

456
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: that that was real. But no, that was just that

457
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: was just fiction. Okay. So anyway, when I was a teenager,

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: when I turned sixteen years old, one of the first

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00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: things I did was planned my first trip to go

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00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: up there with my buddies camping at Brown Mountain, and

461
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: over the next fifteen years that is exactly what I

462
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: continue to do on a regular basis. Uh, camp on

463
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: and around round Mountain. A lot of times. I didn't

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00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: camp right on top of it, you know, because I

465
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: wanted to get a view of the whole mountains. So

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00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: I'd camp on one of these little ridges that was

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: next to it, where I had a good view of it.

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00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, at least in the spring and

469
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: in the fall all oftentimes we do spring, summer, and fall.

470
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: I never was up there in the winter. I'm telling you.

471
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I capped in in the late fall, and it was

472
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: so cold and windy it there that, um, I just

473
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: did not want to camp up there in the middle

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: of the wintertime. But let me just sort of let

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: me give you an idea, um of what it's like

476
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: to be there, all right, because uh, yes, you have

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00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: these public overviews overlooks in the Piska National Forest, But

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00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: you have to get a permit from the Forest Station

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00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: service there, the Forest Service Station and Niebo, North Carolina,

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: and they give you a key too, so that you

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00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: can open up some service roads and really drive into

482
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: these places that most people don't get to go. And

483
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: when you have a permit, when you have a permit

484
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: and a service road gate key from the Forest Service,

485
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: and you drive forever, winding mountain dirt roads until you

486
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: finally reach the service gate, you know, the service road gate,

487
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: and then you use a chainsaw and an axe to

488
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: clear away old fallen trees as your four wheel drive

489
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: groans up this service trail deep onto the mountain, and

490
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: then you set up your camp and you watch the

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00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: sun go down, and then late that night, when it's

492
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: dark and quiet, you walk all by yourself, all alone,

493
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: thirty or forty minutes deep into those woods. Your senses

494
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: are magnified in in the dim blue moonlight. I mean,

495
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: you hear every twig and leaf and cool breeze, and

496
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: there's a real feeling that on that mountain right where

497
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: you stand, at any moment, anything can happen, and you

498
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be good or bad,

499
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: but you definitely know you are in an altered state

500
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: of mind. That's what it's like to be in the

501
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: dark trees and bushes on Brown Mountain by yourself at night,

502
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: just waiting for something to happen. And as I mentioned before,

503
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: at that time, even the overlook was neglected and overgrown

504
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: and kind of trashed out. And today I'm happy to

505
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: report the last time I was there. All that has changed.

506
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: It's been cleaned up, it's been expanded. There is a

507
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: nice sign there, a nice plaque that talks about the mountain,

508
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: even some picnic tables. I'm very happy that it is

509
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: being treated much better than it was back in those days.

510
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: But I didn't just go up there with my buddies.

511
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: I also was able to go up there and invite

512
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: some esteemed scientists. For example, I camped up there at

513
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: least once or twice with Dr David Hackett, who was

514
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: a physicist at the oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee.

515
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: He was with a group called O'Rion and back in

516
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: the mid seventies through the mid eighties, they were camping

517
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: up there and they were investigating the lights along with

518
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: another group called the I think the Enigma group. And

519
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: he said they saw the lights many times. Uh. They

520
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: were able to measure to lurric currents, which is when

521
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: you put some metal rods in the ground and you

522
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: see that there's all all of a sudden more electricity

523
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: running through the rocks. They even were able to set

524
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: off some dynamite to create a little trimmer and claim

525
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: that doing that would sometimes trigger lights. Now I don't

526
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: think that was even legal. Okay, I don't know. I

527
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: probably wasn't, but they did it. They were scientists thinking.

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00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: You know, I camped up there with a forest ranger, uh,

529
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: with a rocket scientist from Ohio State University historian Dr.

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00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Bill Forstune. I mean a lot of people, various team

531
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: people went up there in Campton, and you oversaw the

532
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: work that we were doing because we had all kinds

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00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: of instruments. One thing that's really weird is that, you know,

534
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: if you have a Geiger counter, for example, a Geiger

535
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: counter is meant to pick up ionizing radiation like alpha, beta,

536
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: gamma radiation X rays, and I mean, that's what it's

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00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: designed for. But oftentimes scientific meters will be affected by

538
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: things that they were not designed to measure. And that's

539
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: a weird thing that a lot of people don't think about. So,

540
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: for example, you might go to a haunted house and

541
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: you might have a meter, an electromagnetic field meter that

542
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: was designed to measure household wiring fields, but that thing

543
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: can still be affected by other fields that are outside

544
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: of that particular frequency range. So, for example, with a

545
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: Geiger counter, usually if you get something that's radioactive, you'll

546
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: hear that pop pop pop pop pop pop pop, little

547
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: popcorn sound. But if you just encounter a strong electrostatic field,

548
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: that will still affect a Geiger counter, but instead of

549
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: going pop pop pop pop pop, it starts whining and

550
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: goes and the needle just starts moving all over the place.

551
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: So there were a lot of times where you're like,

552
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: the Geiger counter was not um, was not displaying any

553
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: evidence of radioactivity, but it would just start going nuts,

554
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: meaning there was an enormous amount of electrostatic charge affecting

555
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: that tube. And you can you can take a Geiger

556
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: counter and you can hold it up to a vandergraph

557
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: machine or something like that, and you can see what

558
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. We had all kinds of equipment. You know,

559
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: you can drag a magnet across the ground all around

560
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Brown Mountain and pick up all kinds of little ferrous stones,

561
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, a little magnetically sensitive stones. You'll be walking along,

562
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: You'll see a hole in the ground. You gotta be careful.

563
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: You'll step in a hole that's like three ft deep

564
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: and you know a couple of feet around and you

565
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: can break your leg and you look down on the

566
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: hole and you see water, just water, rushing underground, and

567
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: you wonder how extensive are these little little areas, right.

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00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: I had a big table top device called a VLF detector,

569
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: very low frequency detector, and you can manually scan a

570
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: big range of frequencies from zero up to five hundred

571
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: thousand hurts. And I had a hook to a big

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00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: coil Antanna, if you're a geek out there, I'll just

573
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: tell you it was one thousand, seven eighty feet of

574
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: coil as one layer of twenty four gauge wire wrapped

575
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: in a span of about twenty one point five inches.

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00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: This thing was tuned to a hundred and forty five

577
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: thousand hurts. Sorry that I had to geek out for

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00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: a minute, but just in case somebody finds that interesting.

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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: And when the lights would appear, we would get all

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00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: this interference on this VLF device. It was never like

581
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: at a consistent frequency though, but we we would pick

582
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: up interference, and that way we could tell, like, this

583
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: is not some kind of an ordinary light being created

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00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: by you know, like a headlight on a four wheeler

585
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: or something. And I had a spectroscope up there, and

586
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: which allows you to look at a light and and

587
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: see what bands of color it produces on a film

588
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: and try to figure out what the light is made of.

589
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: It was I I never really got a good bead

590
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: on a Brown Mountain light with the spectroscope. The couple

591
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: of times I got a glimpse though it it seemed

592
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: pretty like a pretty broad ringe. It wasn't like a

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00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: specific things. But I'm just giving you an idea of

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00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: the things that I tried. If you go to Brown

595
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: Mountain Lights dot com, you can look at this report

596
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: that I released, I think it was in two thousand four,

597
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: which really breaks down all the scientific stuff we were

598
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: doing up there. So word got out that my team

599
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: and I were up there conducting this level of research,

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00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: and that is when the very strange people started contacting

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00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: me and telling me things that I had never expected

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Speaker 1: to hear. I'll tell you more about that when we

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Speaker 1: come back. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to strange

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Speaker 1: and first Aid. Be a hero, donate today, visit red

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Speaker 1: Cross dot org or call on Red Cross. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the final segment of this edition of Strange Things

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Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a

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Speaker 1: im paranormal podcast network. I am your host Joshua P.

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Speaker 1: Warren and I once wrote this description of the brown

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Speaker 1: mountain lights. They are usually described as multicolored balls of

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Speaker 1: light that either flare up from one location or move

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Speaker 1: as a group through the trees. They are often reported

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Speaker 1: flying or floating into the air above the mountain as well.

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Speaker 1: Even though Brown Mountain has become the focus of observation,

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Speaker 1: they could more appropriately be called the Linnville Lights since

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Speaker 1: the phenomenon has been reported throughout the area, especially in

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Speaker 1: and around the Linville Gorge. Most often witnessed from wiseman's view,

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Speaker 1: the lights frequently begin as a red glow flaring into white.

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Speaker 1: They can also appear as orange, blue, green, or yellow. Usually,

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Speaker 1: a single ball of light only last six to ten

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Speaker 1: seconds before vanishing. However, on rare occasion, they may last

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Speaker 1: longer than a minute, especially when floating into the air

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Speaker 1: over the ridge. The movement of the lights is somewhat unpredictable.

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Speaker 1: One orb can divide into several, the smaller ones eventually

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Speaker 1: combining to form a large one. Again, they might seem

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Speaker 1: to ooze around the trees and drift over the ridge,

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Speaker 1: or just dwindle and fade away, or simply wink and vanish.

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Speaker 1: The illumination is most often witnessed from vantage points miles away,

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Speaker 1: and because of such great distances and the fleeting nature

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Speaker 1: of the phenomenon, most people cannot see specific details. Oh

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Speaker 1: of the decades, a handful of people claimed to have

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Speaker 1: seen the lights up close. Yeah, I'll get back to that.

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Speaker 1: And I had an experience where I saw a light

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Speaker 1: that was pretty darn up close. But once word got

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Speaker 1: out that, you know, this level of interest was being

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Speaker 1: revitalized that my team and I, the Lemur team and I,

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Speaker 1: we were out there and we were doing this kind

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Speaker 1: of research. I started getting some very interesting letters in

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Speaker 1: the mail, and I got one from a man who

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Speaker 1: was a reporter with a local newspaper, and he wrote

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Speaker 1: me this big thick uh, big thick letter and had

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Speaker 1: various materials in the envelope, and he said, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to do with this except send this to you.

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Speaker 1: And he said that because he was a reporter in

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Speaker 1: the area, that he had been contacted by a man. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And basically how this began for him was he got

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Speaker 1: a letter and he opened it and it said, if

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Speaker 1: you want to know the secrets of the Brown Mountain lights,

688
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: called this number. So he called that number and nobody

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Speaker 1: answered the phone. And this went on for days, and

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Speaker 1: then finally a guy answered the phone, and it sounded

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Speaker 1: like an elderly man, and they had a nice conversation,

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Speaker 1: but the elderly man did not want to identify himself,

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Speaker 1: and he said, I want you to meet me at

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Speaker 1: the top of a trail at the top of Mount Pisga,

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Speaker 1: all right, which is one of the biggest peaks in

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Speaker 1: the area around Asheville. That's where they have the broadcasting

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Speaker 1: towers for TV and radio. So you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's a place that you have to make an effort

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Speaker 1: to get to. So sure enough, like that Saturday or whenever, Um,

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Speaker 1: the guy got up. The reporter got up early in

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Speaker 1: the morning and he made his way to the top

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Speaker 1: of Mount Pisco. He was supposed to meet this guy

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Speaker 1: around noon at the top of Mount Pisco. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is in the middle of the parkway, right and

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Speaker 1: this is in the middle of the National Forest. And

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Speaker 1: so when he got up there, you know, the guy

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. And the reporter ate his lunch and kind

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Speaker 1: of dozed off, and when he woke up, it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, twelve thirty, and he goes, oh, man, I

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Speaker 1: don't hopefully I didn't totally miss out on this. So

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Speaker 1: he figures I'll wait around till about one. Well a

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Speaker 1: few minutes after that, he looks over and here is

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Speaker 1: this old gentleman who comes walking up the trail and

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Speaker 1: he's got a walking stick and a hat and sunglasses,

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Speaker 1: and this is the dude, right. So they have a

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Speaker 1: little small talk and then they walk back down the mountain,

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Speaker 1: or travel back down the mountain. I think there was

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Speaker 1: like a little tram or some kind of little train

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Speaker 1: or something you could take. And uh, at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the of the mountain was a black jeep and

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Speaker 1: they got in the jeep and they start driving, and

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Speaker 1: the old man starts telling him a story. And after

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Speaker 1: he assures the old man that he's not recording, and essentially,

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Speaker 1: the old man says, I grew up near Brown Mountain,

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Speaker 1: and when I was a little boy, I used to

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Speaker 1: go out and explore all the little caves and stuff

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Speaker 1: in the area. And one day I crawled into a

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Speaker 1: cave and I saw a light back, you know, deep

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Speaker 1: in the cave. And he said, I crawled deeper and deeper,

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Speaker 1: and finally I saw this big, weird, massive blue light

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Speaker 1: kind of like squirming around or whatever. And he says,

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Speaker 1: I crawled up and it was a huge clump of

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Speaker 1: worms and these worms we're emitting this light and he

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Speaker 1: literally said that. He described it as these worms had

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Speaker 1: some kind of a flaming blowhole, all right, and so

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Speaker 1: he he got some and took to show his dad,

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Speaker 1: but by the time he got them to his dad,

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Speaker 1: they were dead. And so this, this old man's story

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Speaker 1: was that when he got older and he got into

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Speaker 1: like science class in school, he started going and he

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Speaker 1: would study these worms and he found they were producing

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Speaker 1: you know, like methane, some kind of natural gas, and

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Speaker 1: that there were these big pockets of it in the mountain.

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Speaker 1: And so he started basically illegally tapping into this and

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Speaker 1: had made a fortune over the years, uh from the

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Speaker 1: the natural gas that he was illegally extracting from this

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Speaker 1: federal property, um the Brown Mountain area, and that you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what causes the lights. Okay, now that's a weird one.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird There's no evidence that any of that

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Speaker 1: is true. I'm not even sure if that's plausible. But

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Speaker 1: that was what this reporter told me. And this is

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Speaker 1: this was this the beginning of this like cascade of

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Speaker 1: biz r O stories I started to get. Now, I

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Speaker 1: was at Brown Mountain myself one time, and I did

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Speaker 1: look down and sure enough, I saw a glow worm

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Speaker 1: and I was like, is that one of them? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And it turns out that was just a larva for

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Speaker 1: a lightning bug they have, you know, the little glow

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00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: worms are. I guess that's what they usually are. So

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Speaker 1: you do see some glowing worms on the ground up

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Speaker 1: there from time to time. No flaming blow holes. And

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Speaker 1: then I was up there one night at the overlook

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Speaker 1: and uh, the one one overlooked, just watching for the lights.

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Speaker 1: And there was this guy who came up there and

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Speaker 1: parked his car and got out and started talking to me,

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Speaker 1: and he told me that his family had lived in

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Speaker 1: Morganton for decades and they used to own a cafe,

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Speaker 1: and that back in the nineteen eighties that one day

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Speaker 1: a full bird Army colonel walked into the cafe and

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Speaker 1: said that he wanted to make arrangements for them to

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Speaker 1: fix meals. That they would bring up two a service

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Speaker 1: uh gate um every single day for like a couple

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Speaker 1: of months to feed three hundred to four hundred men.

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Speaker 1: And this was a huge deal, you know, for a

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Speaker 1: little cafe in Morganton. And they had to go to

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Speaker 1: all these extents to work out logistics, and you know,

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Speaker 1: get get the money they needed up front, and all

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Speaker 1: this kind of thing to fulfill this contract. And they

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Speaker 1: said that, sure enough, for like a couple of months,

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Speaker 1: every day they would drive up there to this gate

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Speaker 1: at Brown Mountain, A couple of MPs would meet them

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Speaker 1: and take the UH the load of food and drive

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Speaker 1: off into the woods. And some were out there in

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Speaker 1: those woods. Three or four hundred men were being fed

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Speaker 1: per day, but they never saw them in And that

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Speaker 1: was also right around the time when President Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 1: started UH discussing his Star Wars program around nineteen four.

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Speaker 1: If you're old enough, you might remember that the Strategic

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Speaker 1: Defense Initiative, we called it the Star Wars program. And

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Speaker 1: this was when the US was getting really interested in

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Speaker 1: UM and trying to use satellites and and you know,

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Speaker 1: space technology UH in order to control UM the security

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Speaker 1: of of our country from from the sky, from the cosmos.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still not sure that we we know

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Speaker 1: all that they were doing, but it just seemed to

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Speaker 1: me that at that time, I know, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of interest in UM and studying space and then

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Speaker 1: and and now we have people talking about aliens being

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Speaker 1: there and now we have UH. Now we have the military. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're about out of time, so I'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: um On the next show. I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 1: what happened when I had a very close encounter with

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Speaker 1: one of these. And I'm also going to be telling

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Speaker 1: you about something that ticked me off. To this day,

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Speaker 1: I still kind of grip my teeth. It kind of

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Speaker 1: upsets me to talk about it. Thanks for sticking in here.

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