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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly conversation

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Speaker 1: about mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford, a licensed

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Speaker 1: mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining

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Speaker 1: me for Session three ninety two of the Therapy for

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Les Alfred and I'm on the Therapy for Black

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Speaker 3: Girls Podcast. I'm in session today at sharing everything you

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Speaker 3: need to know for this glow up season.

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Speaker 1: Today is January first, the beginning of what I hope

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Speaker 1: will be one of your best years yet. I want

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Speaker 1: to wish you a very happy new year and also

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Speaker 1: welcome you to our third annual January Jumpstart series. In

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Speaker 1: previous years of the podcast, we've helped you discover your

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Speaker 1: boldest aspirations, build the confidence to take on new goals,

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Speaker 1: and take meaningful steps towards your personal growth. By hosting

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Speaker 1: conversations with industry leaders this year, we're building on those

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Speaker 1: foundations with even more dynamic topics and inspiring voices that

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Speaker 1: will empower you to turn your into into action, taking

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Speaker 1: steps toward the life that you deserve. Kicking off this

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Speaker 1: month's lineup of transformative conversations is a guest that I

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Speaker 1: know several of you will know and recognize, Les Alford,

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Speaker 1: host of the Balanced Black Girl podcast, with expertise as

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Speaker 1: a personal trainer, nutrition coach, and certified yoga instructor. Les

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Speaker 1: their best lives. In today's conversation, we approach a topic

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Speaker 1: that I know many of you are thinking through anytime

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Speaker 1: we enter a new year. How can I glow up

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Speaker 1: into my best self? What habits might we consider adopting

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Speaker 1: what changes might I have to make in my life

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Speaker 1: to fully actualize my desired glow up. We answer all

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Speaker 1: of those questions and more in today's episode. If something

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Speaker 1: dot therapy for Blackgirls dot com. Here's our conversation. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today, Liz.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you for having me. I've been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very exciting to have you. So I'd

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Speaker 1: love for you to tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: and how that led to the beginning of Balanced Black Girl.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I started my fitness journey when I was

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Speaker 3: Actually been really new. I'm just coming up on one

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So we hear this term glow up, use

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Speaker 1: And it feels like most people start this glow up

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Speaker 1: I think oftentimes a global process means having some really hard,

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Speaker 3: So it's asking yourself, how badly do I want to

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Speaker 1: What kinds of things have supported you in reaching that

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Speaker 1: have been very public in sharing. I think you did

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Speaker 1: a what was it like thirty days of getting dressed right?

444
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Speaker 1: What has it been like to put that out so

445
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Speaker 1: publicly and what is your reaction from your community been.

446
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Speaker 3: It's been really fun. I mean the community has gotten

447
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 3: so involved with it. I think people love anything that

448
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: they can follow along with any sort of like transformation

449
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,239
Speaker 3: that people can feel like they're a part of. They

450
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Speaker 3: absolutely loved so that I did in September, I challenge

451
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Speaker 3: myself to get dressed every single day only wearing workout

452
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Speaker 3: clothes when I'm working out, which as a gym girly,

453
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,719
Speaker 3: I was wearing workout clothes my whole twenties and I realized, oh,

454
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Speaker 3: I'm in my mid thirties, I don't know how to dress,

455
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Speaker 3: and I should figure that out. So it's been a

456
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Speaker 3: really fun process of learning. And I think sometimes we

457
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: can feel so much pressure to want to show up

458
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Speaker 3: fully formed or we have it all figured out. But

459
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Speaker 3: I think that our community also really like seeing the

460
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Speaker 3: process of us learning.

461
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Speaker 2: So my community has.

462
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Speaker 3: Really liked seeing my style evolve and seeing me experiment

463
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Speaker 3: with new things. I think it makes them feel encouraged

464
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Speaker 3: that they can do the same. They don't have to

465
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Speaker 3: immediately be a fashionista or be this glamorous person. That

466
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Speaker 3: they can learn and they can experiment and have fun

467
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Speaker 3: with it.

468
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Speaker 1: You offer an example of kind of lifting heavy weights

469
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Speaker 1: and like getting out of breath as a way of

470
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Speaker 1: stretching yourself for discomfort physically. What is the equivalent to

471
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Speaker 1: that for you mentally?

472
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Speaker 3: I think for me it has been letting myself emote

473
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Speaker 3: more and express my emotions more. Because I previously have

474
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Speaker 3: been a person who was not very emotionally expressive, and

475
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Speaker 3: so that's something that therapy has really helped me with,

476
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Speaker 3: whether it's a good emotion or a bad emotion, just

477
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Speaker 3: kind of practicing emoting has been a really good one

478
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Speaker 3: for me. And then also, particularly in business, sometimes we

479
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Speaker 3: just have hard tasks where it's like, oh, there's an

480
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Speaker 3: email that I just don't want to respond to, or

481
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Speaker 3: there's just a report that I really.

482
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Speaker 2: Don't want to file.

483
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Speaker 3: And when we have those hard things, like doing them

484
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Speaker 3: anyway as proof that we can do it has also

485
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Speaker 3: really helped me mentally.

486
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Speaker 1: So you are kind of having like an entrepreneurial blow

487
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Speaker 1: up this year, right, What kinds of resources and things

488
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Speaker 1: have been helpful for you as you think about your

489
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Speaker 1: business journey?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, a big part of it, and

491
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Speaker 3: selfishly has been my own podcast and the people that

492
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Speaker 3: I interview. It's been like, Okay, who do I want

493
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Speaker 3: to learn it from? Who has a really great business

494
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Speaker 3: that I want.

495
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Speaker 2: To peek behind the curtain?

496
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Speaker 3: And then I can invite them on and ask them

497
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Speaker 3: questions to learn more about how they do it. So

498
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Speaker 3: that almost selfishly has been really helpful for me.

499
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Speaker 1: I love that. So you know, there's a lot about

500
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Speaker 1: like functuing and having your space match your mood and

501
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. How would you say location is

502
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Speaker 1: a part of the glow up journey?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's huge.

504
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Speaker 3: I talk a lot about morning routines and waking up

505
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Speaker 3: very early because that's a habit that I have. And

506
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Speaker 3: people always ask me for advice about waking up earlier,

507
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: and everybody hates my advice, but it's true because the

508
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: two things that are going to help you wake up

509
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Speaker 3: earlier as one going to bed earlier, I mean, that's

510
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Speaker 3: really key, but two having a clean, tidy space. I'm

511
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Speaker 3: all about observing my own habits, and I realized years

512
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Speaker 3: ago that I was having a really hard time getting

513
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Speaker 3: out of bed if my space was in disarray, if

514
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Speaker 3: I had either like a messy room or just a

515
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Speaker 3: lot of stuff or a lot of clutter. I noticed

516
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Speaker 3: that I would snooze and I wouldn't want to get

517
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Speaker 3: out of bed, and I would start the day feeling

518
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Speaker 3: more anxious Versus when my environment was clear and when

519
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Speaker 3: it was organized, and when I had clear spaces, I

520
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Speaker 3: noticed that I would wake right up, even if it

521
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Speaker 3: was early and I could move through my day without distraction.

522
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Speaker 3: So I think having calm environments as much as we can,

523
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Speaker 3: which also I mean I live in New York City.

524
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Speaker 2: My environment outside is not that calm.

525
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Speaker 3: But within our control of our spaces, I think is major.

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Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, so I hear

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Speaker 1: so many people talk about the importance of morning routines.

528
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Speaker 1: You just mentioned it again. What would you say is

529
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Speaker 1: the importance of warning routines? Like why is that so important?

530
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Speaker 1: Especially on a glow up journey.

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Speaker 3: It's important because I think for a lot of us,

532
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Speaker 3: regardless of whether you're an entrepreneur or you go into

533
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: an office or maybe you're a parent, for so many people,

534
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: the mornings before everyone else gets up, it's the only

535
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Speaker 3: time in your day that you can have just for you.

536
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Speaker 3: So it's the only time you can have before the

537
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Speaker 3: emails start rolling in that you have to take care of,

538
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Speaker 3: or before the kids wake up, or before people need you.

539
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Speaker 3: It is just time that you can pour into yourself

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Speaker 3: before you have to do that for anyone else. And

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Speaker 3: so I find that starting my day on that note

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Speaker 3: where I can lean into my habits and if I

543
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Speaker 3: have if it's just twenty minutes, if it's an hour,

544
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Speaker 3: if it's a little bit of time to reset myself

545
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Speaker 3: before I have to navigate the outside world. It just

546
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Speaker 3: sets a much better tone for the rest of the day.

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Speaker 1: So you've mentioned having an acupuncturist, you talked about therapy,

548
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Speaker 1: talked about journaling. What other tools and practices are you

549
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Speaker 1: using to put yourself in your glow up journey?

550
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Speaker 2: Reading is another one.

551
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Speaker 3: I'm a huge reader and absolutely love reading, so I

552
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Speaker 3: will usually have two books going at a time. Usually

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Speaker 3: I will have some sort of nonfiction book that I'm

554
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Speaker 3: learning from. Maybe it's a business book, maybe it's a

555
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: personal development book, maybe it's.

556
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Speaker 2: A wellness book. And then I'll also have a fiction

557
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Speaker 2: book just.

558
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: For joy and enjoyment and pleasure, so just a story

559
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Speaker 3: that I can just get lost in. I'm not personally

560
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: a big fan of watching TV, so for me, I

561
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 3: almost treat reading fiction kind of like watching TV at

562
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, and so I'll spend a

563
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Speaker 3: few minutes in the morning kind of in learning mode,

564
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Speaker 3: reading my nonfiction book, and then the rest of the day,

565
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Speaker 3: if I have a moment to read, that's when I'll

566
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Speaker 3: crack open a fiction book. And have just a little

567
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Speaker 3: bit of time to get lost in a story. And

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Speaker 3: I find that both of them are incredibly helpful in

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Speaker 3: different ways. You know. I think for the nonfiction that

570
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Speaker 3: ones people might get that, and I think sometimes we

571
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Speaker 3: can dive a little too deep into the self help

572
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Speaker 3: nonfiction world where we're constantly you know, improving, learning, finding

573
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Speaker 3: something to apply to our lives, and that's really great,

574
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Speaker 3: but I also really like the fiction to balance it out,

575
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Speaker 3: just to have something to enjoy. It's like a hobby.

576
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Speaker 3: It is something to be entertained by and to give

577
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Speaker 3: ourselves a little bit of a break. And I think

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Speaker 3: both of those things have been equally helpful for me.

579
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Speaker 3: And I need the new things to learn, but I

580
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 3: also need to know when to unplug and have a

581
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Speaker 3: little bit of joy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, you bring up a great point

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Speaker 1: around self help and self improvement and like that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, and it does feel like there is a

585
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Speaker 1: proliferation of that online, right all the podcasts and blogs

586
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Speaker 1: and all the things. What would you say is the

587
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Speaker 1: balance of you know, like, okay, yes, there are some

588
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Speaker 1: things I want to improve and kind of constantly picking

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Speaker 1: yourself apart.

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Speaker 3: So my personal boundary with it is. I don't consume

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Speaker 3: more self help than I can realistically apply. So if

592
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Speaker 3: it gets to the point where I'm listening to so

593
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: many podcasts that they blur together and I don't know

594
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: the different from one to another, it might be too much.

595
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: Or if I'm reading so many self help books and

596
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: rapid succession that I'm not able to apply any of them,

597
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: then it might be too much. So I think spacing

598
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: it out a little bit and giving yourself room and

599
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: time and space to be able to digest the content

600
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: and actually apply it to your life is really important.

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Speaker 1: So as a former personal trainer, you're probably familiar with

602
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Speaker 1: the terminology of like a MAGS day or a pr

603
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Speaker 1: in lifting. Are there equivalent benchmarks you would say for

604
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Speaker 1: your like internal glow up journey?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's a really good question.

606
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think good benchmarks could be overcoming fears,

607
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: things that maybe used to scare us so that we

608
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: may be used to be intimidated by or think that

609
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: we couldn't do. Being able to do them and no

610
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: longer being afraid of things, I think is a really

611
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: big one for me.

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Speaker 1: So, if you could give one piece of advice to

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Speaker 1: someone who is seeking like an inner glow up journey?

614
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: What would it be to get to know yourself, to

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: get to know the version of you you currently are

616
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Speaker 3: and appreciate her for who she is, and then identify

617
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: that potential that you know is within you so that

618
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Speaker 3: you know where you want.

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Speaker 2: To go next.

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Speaker 1: So we were already talking about you sharing your glow

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Speaker 1: up journey as a part of your job. Would you

622
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Speaker 1: suggest that for other people who aren't necessarily like content creators,

623
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Speaker 1: how might the process of sharing your glow up journey

624
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Speaker 1: on social media be helpful? Are not?

625
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Speaker 2: I think it depends on the person.

626
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people do feel really motivated

627
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Speaker 3: by that external accountability, and I do think sometimes having

628
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Speaker 3: some sort of support group can also be really helpful,

629
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Speaker 3: and social media can be a really great way to

630
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Speaker 3: do that.

631
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Speaker 2: So I think for people who are maybe doing.

632
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Speaker 3: Some sort of challenge or something and who are maybe

633
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: sharing their updates with other people who are doing the challenge,

634
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: that can be like a really beautiful way to stay

635
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: accountable and have community. Or for people who want to

636
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: be able to kind of log their own progress, sharing

637
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: can be really great in that way. And so I

638
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: think if someone is motivated by those things or thinks

639
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: that that could be helpful, then that could be a

640
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: really great way to track your progress if that calls

641
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: to you. And then for people who maybe want to

642
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: be a little bit more private, maybe they have an

643
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: accountability buddy who's like a friend in real life who

644
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: they can meet up with and share their goals with

645
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: and do their check ins with, and that could be

646
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: a good way to share if they don't necessarily want

647
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: to put something on the internet or if that doesn't

648
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: resonate with them.

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Speaker 1: So you've already talked about being an avid reader, so

650
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Speaker 1: we want to take a little peek on your bookshelf.

651
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Speaker 1: So what are two or three books, maybe nonfiction and

652
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: fiction that you would maybe offensive people, that have been

653
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: helpful to you, or that you think could be helpful

654
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Speaker 1: to other people.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, So let's see a few books. One that I

656
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: read in twenty twenty four that I really liked was

657
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: called The Alter Ego Effect. I believe the author's name

658
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: is Todd Herman. He is an elite mindset coach who

659
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: has helped a lot of athletes and celebrities level up

660
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: in their games and become champions in a lot of ways.

661
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Speaker 3: About this idea of creating an alter ego, that is

662
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Speaker 3: this successful version of yourself. And if you find yourself

663
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: having a hard time reaching your goals, could be because

664
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Speaker 3: you don't identify as a person who maybe performs at

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Speaker 3: a certain level. And so a way to get over

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Speaker 3: that is to have this alter ego that you step into.

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Speaker 3: And so the book has a lot of case studies

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Speaker 3: from athletes and really successful people who have done the

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Speaker 3: same thing, as well as a step by step process

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Speaker 3: for creating your own alter ego. So that was a

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Speaker 3: really good cread. I think probably one of the best

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Speaker 3: examples that could resonate with a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: we know of would be the Sasha Fears and Beyonce effect.

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Speaker 3: How when Beyonce was coming up as a performer and

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Speaker 3: was really shy, she would feel uncomfortable doing certain things

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Speaker 3: on stage. So she created the Sasha Fears persona to

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Speaker 3: feel more comfortable as a performer, and that's what made

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Speaker 3: her the person she is. So creating your own Sasha Fears,

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Speaker 3: whatever that looks like for you, that can be a

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Speaker 3: really great book. And then I would say for fiction books,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many that I love, but there

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Speaker 3: are a few authors in particular that I really love.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll shout out the authors because they have a

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Speaker 3: bunch of books that folks can read. So a few

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Speaker 3: of my favorite black women authors who do fiction, I

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Speaker 3: would say are Kennedy Ryan, who writes really beautiful romance

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Speaker 3: novels that often have female leads who just share really

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Speaker 3: beautiful stories about not only romance but also friendship and

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Speaker 3: sisterhood and self love. TiO Williams also writes really beautiful

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Speaker 3: books that a lot of people may know, like Seven

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Speaker 3: Days in June, I know, is a really popular book.

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Speaker 3: Christina Forrest writes a really cute romance novel. So those

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Speaker 3: are just a few authors that I really love reading from.

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Speaker 1: GADDI thank you for that. And who are some people

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Speaker 1: you would suggest a follow on social media who make

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Speaker 1: similar kind of glow up content or stuff that you

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Speaker 1: find like just inspirational that other people might also enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that there are so many

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Speaker 3: creators who are doing really great glow up content, several

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Speaker 3: of whom I've been able to feature on my podcast

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Speaker 3: over the past year. I think a few that come

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Speaker 3: to mind. One would be Jazz Turner, who is a

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Speaker 3: wonderful content creator who talks a lot about wellness, glow Ups.

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Speaker 3: I did have her on my podcast last year, so

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Speaker 3: she's great to check out. Jodi Taylor is another creator

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Speaker 3: who talks a lot about that. She also comes at

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Speaker 3: it for more of a social and career angle as

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Speaker 3: opposed to a wellness angle. I talk a lot about

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Speaker 3: kind of that wellness angle, so I think between kind

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Speaker 3: of that group.

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Speaker 2: Right there, you've got all bases covered.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful, Thanks so much for this. So where can we

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Speaker 1: stay connected with you? Tell us where we can find

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Speaker 1: your website, where can we listen to the podcast? And

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Speaker 1: any social media channels you'd like to share?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so you can most often find me on Instagram

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Speaker 3: and TikTok. My handle is at balance Less and then

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Speaker 3: new episodes of my podcast, Balanced black Girl come out

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Speaker 3: every Tuesday, so you can get that wherever your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Wherever you're listening to this, you can also subscribe to

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Speaker 3: Balance black Girl so Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: We will be short to include all of that in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Thank you so much for sending some

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Speaker 1: time with us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad Liz was able to join me for

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Speaker 1: this conversation. To learn more about her and her work,

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Speaker 1: visit the show notes at Therapy for Blackgirls dot Com

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Speaker 1: Session three ninety two, and don't forget to text this

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Speaker 1: was produced by Elise Ellis, Zaria Taylor and Tyrie Rush.

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Speaker 1: Editing was done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me again this week. I look forward to

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