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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorne Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Good Night Later, another Melrose minute. So you guys at

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Speaker 1: home don't know this, but we have one of our writers,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Pratt, coming up as a guest. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things he mentioned when we talked to him is

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Speaker 1: that when Heather started on the show, she didn't want

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Speaker 1: to play a bit because she'd been doing that on Dynasty.

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Speaker 1: So they had to sort of rewrite it to make

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Speaker 1: a Manda nice obviously in the beginning.

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Speaker 3: So what we know now just for a very brief

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Speaker 3: time at least can be nice for a second.

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Speaker 2: I think you called it a switch and bait or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They're like, okay, you're not a bitch, You're just switch.

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Speaker 1: So she starts off really nice and as we know,

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you, guys, how you felt

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Speaker 1: about your character in Melroe's Place and how you changed

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Speaker 1: or other shows, Like did you start a show as

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Speaker 1: something and then as the show went on you became

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Speaker 1: a completely different character? I do.

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Speaker 3: I think I have a lot to say on the

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Speaker 3: subject because I came in, like, you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: not knowing that it was a long term character anyway,

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Speaker 3: but I also was super focused on like the youth

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Speaker 3: of her whatever. And then there was a big long

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Speaker 3: stretch of time that I wasn't on the show, like

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Speaker 3: the well, the rest of season one, and then I

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Speaker 3: came back in season two and had to like pick

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Speaker 3: up there and and kind of you know, discover what

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Speaker 3: these new storylines were. And it was she came in

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Speaker 3: as the problem in her sister and Michael's marriage, right,

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Speaker 3: Sydney came in as the affair and like just sort

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Speaker 3: of mischievous, troublemaker person. But in the second season, in

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Speaker 3: the second season, but over time, like there there it

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Speaker 3: was hard for me to like maintain, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: how old is she? And like what how sophisticated is she?

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Speaker 3: And is like then she started doing all these like

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Speaker 3: the blackmailing and the d and the canniving and just

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Speaker 3: the evolution of that and trying to trying to say,

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Speaker 3: how do you find like that same person in there,

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Speaker 3: like that consistent thread and that same person and figure, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if she's what nineteen years old, eighteen nineteen, how does

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Speaker 3: that kind of person like age and develop and like

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Speaker 3: we're watching this on camera like over these three four seasons,

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Speaker 3: and that was sort of always in my mind, like

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Speaker 3: is this even making sense? Is this even tracking? And

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Speaker 3: like I felt like I had to find just a

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Speaker 3: And those things were like Sidney always felt not enough,

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Speaker 3: not she felt less than her sister. That that was

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Speaker 3: like her easiest competition to go, oh, I just want

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Speaker 3: to be like her or better than her something, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that jealousy thread was consistent, you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: drove a lot of her actions. But even when it

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Speaker 3: got to be like insanity, I'm like, wait, can I

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Speaker 3: still justify this? Like is this still tracking?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And it was still the same character.

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Speaker 3: It was hard. It was hard to keep that thread.

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Speaker 3: And then I do think that after a while, you

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Speaker 1: My best Hereio, I'm just going to do script by yeah,

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Speaker 1: my own reality right now.

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Speaker 3: This is just where we're at. And plus we're in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they asked us. One of the fan questions was

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Speaker 1: did we ever push back? We couldn't, right, No.

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Speaker 2: There didn't There was never. Yeah, I was saying we

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Speaker 2: have a say. Well, it wasn't welcomed at all. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't like an invitation. No one ever says to you

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Chuck will say when you

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Speaker 1: guys hear that episode is that he's never had a

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Speaker 1: show with faster turnaround. Yeah, like they were, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was so fast they didn't have time. So if

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Speaker 1: And it was also as the show goes on, like

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Speaker 2: All this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But it was also fun, right, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: And it was like, all right, let's try it. Like

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Speaker 1: this is my characters through line. It's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: Did you have to do that as in TV? Because

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Speaker 2: when you say like a Midwest girl or how we

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Speaker 2: all came into something, that's who you were when it started,

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Speaker 2: and then adventure happens, and then life happens, and then

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Speaker 1: Or Midwest Girl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you're trying as an actor to say

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Speaker 1: You want to ground it for yourself. You want because

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Speaker 2: I mean, I always played for the drama. That's the

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Speaker 2: Interviews for magazine and go, this is not so Not

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Speaker 2: And I think as I look back, and I see

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Speaker 1: Well, but you started, so Joe starts she was married

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Speaker 1: And then what's the craziest leap you had to make

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll answer the first question that you actually

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Speaker 2: I got so tired of all of the victimization that

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Speaker 2: You know, we're all working on twelve hour days. But

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Speaker 3: And super violent.

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Speaker 2: It was so violent. Yeah, but I just Daphne as

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying is that is a way that I

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Speaker 1: They have these.

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Speaker 2: Strong scenes back and forth. You know, she's running a company,

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Speaker 2: she's like standing up to her and I would just

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so funny. But you loved like the the

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Speaker 3: but I also like, like what you say, like when

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Speaker 3: you have to have a scene that's real, like when

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Speaker 3: got real feelings under there, Like she like that Sidney

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Speaker 3: all the goofy stuff that she did, but also like

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Speaker 3: that you had to have her actually be a real

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Speaker 3: different things. And and but like you said you had

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Speaker 3: to take Alison to the place you said things were scary.

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Speaker 3: Was it the times when you were really being vulnerable?

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Speaker 1: And it was a mixed bag, Like I keep thinking

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Speaker 1: about when Alison was an alcoholic, and it was so

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Speaker 1: much fun for me to play because Alison finally got

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Speaker 1: But I was a sober alcoholic at the time, right,

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Speaker 2: It's so so as we wrap this up, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be so fun to have Chuck in here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and he did come from a decade of writing soap operas.

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Speaker 3: He's written so.

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Speaker 2: Great so he thinks like that and like how the

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Speaker 2: what's that thing? How the soup is made? He was

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Speaker 2: you never know, it's coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he will have him back to you because

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Speaker 2: He has a lot of many stories.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling it was like a ten percent

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Speaker 1: of his stories you told today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many more I.

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Speaker 3: Know, and that's that's going to come up soon. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we've we've been having so much fun lately. It was

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Speaker 3: so great to have Heather in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so great to have Heather.

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Speaker 3: More to come.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do recap next.

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Speaker 3: We got to keep our recaps.

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Speaker 2: Watching this with us. It's so fun.

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Speaker 1: It's so much fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: Melrose is getting juicy, all right, thanks for turning into

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Speaker 3: another Melrose minute soon. That kids still the place. Thank