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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours, an

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Speaker 1: update in the trial for the man charged in Mom

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Speaker 1: of five, Rachel Morn's murder. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Rachel Moore,

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Speaker 1: in a beautiful mom of five goes hiking along the

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Speaker 1: Mad Paw Trail. She's been hiking there since she was

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Speaker 1: a little girl. This day was no different, except this

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Speaker 1: day ends in tragedy. This gorgeous mom brutally sex assaulted

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Speaker 1: and bludgeoned dead we believe, with a rock or a

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Speaker 1: tree limb, and left in that condition for other hikers

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Speaker 1: to find then across the country. Amazingly, when the case

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Speaker 1: seemingly goes cold, a DNA match, a DNA match, a

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Speaker 1: home intruder that, even though the home is full of people,

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Speaker 1: goes in and sex assaults a young girl. But even

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Speaker 1: with DNA, we can't find the killer. As it turns out,

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Speaker 1: the killer turns out to be, according to police, an

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrant, a migrant, an ill Salvadorian man, illegally in

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Speaker 1: our country. In the last hours, over the protest of

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Speaker 1: Rachel's family, the trial is delayed nearly a year is

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Speaker 1: just as delayed justice denied. The attack on Rachel Morin

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Speaker 1: was unlike any other I've ever seen, bludgeoning her dead

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Speaker 1: and raping her, leaving her naked body lying out on

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Speaker 1: a public trail.

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Speaker 2: When I woke up, it felt like it felt like

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Speaker 3: It also felt like like profound like sadness, emptiness, like

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Speaker 3: I just knew that there was something that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just mother's intuition.

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Speaker 3: I just knew there was something that wasn't right, that

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Speaker 3: there was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what

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Speaker 4: Just over three weeks ago, on May twentieth, on what

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Speaker 4: should have been Rachel's thirty eighth birthday, and then a

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Speaker 4: poetic coincidence or perhaps in Rachel's own divine assistance, are

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Speaker 4: investigators uncovered a lead that led us to this day,

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Speaker 4: And on this day, I'm here to tell you Rachel's

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Speaker 4: murder is no longer a free man. Hopefully he will

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Rachel's mother telling me the anguish

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Speaker 1: learned her daughter, a mother of five, the so called

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Speaker 1: trail mom, beautiful woman, mother of five found bludgeon dead,

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Speaker 1: left naked and bloody on a trail. And then we

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Speaker 1: hear Sheriff of Harford County, Jeff Galler, speaking out in

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Speaker 1: what an arrest it was busted? Who is he? This

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Speaker 1: guy is a non citizen migrant some people would call

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Speaker 1: an illegal alien, a non citizen migrant on the run

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Speaker 1: from a murder charge in El Salvador. And let me

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Speaker 1: just remind everybody that he is suspected in the rape

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Speaker 1: broke the camel's back for Victor Antonio Martinez here Nandez. Listen.

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Speaker 4: The lead we received was related to DNA evidence and

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Speaker 4: allowed investigators to finally put a name to the image

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Speaker 4: of the suspect in the video from Los Angeles, which

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Speaker 4: we released two weeks after Rachel's death. After we had

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Speaker 4: the video, we knew what he looked like. After we

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Speaker 4: had we knew he looked like, but we didn't know

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Speaker 4: who he was. With the new DNA evidence, now we

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Speaker 1: And they tracked him. They tracked this guy all around

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Speaker 1: the world because you remember, Rachel mourn Is found brutally

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Speaker 1: brutally murdered and very interestingly, her face totally destroyed, half

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Speaker 1: that means something psychologically that this beautiful one, this mom

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Speaker 1: this is the same guy, according to DNA evidence, that

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Speaker 4: Over the past two weeks, investigators continued their diligent investigation

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Speaker 4: and tracked our suspect all the way from Prince George's

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Speaker 4: County to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our investigators also obtained an arresta

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Speaker 4: we met with Rachel's family, many of whom are with

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Speaker 4: the arrest warrant to themselves and protected to allow investigatators

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just living his best life, going about

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Speaker 1: They think they've got a line on him. Who is

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Speaker 1: this guy, this non citizen migrant. When a murder charge

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Speaker 4: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before midnight,

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Speaker 4: our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our federal partners,

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Speaker 4: located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez. So far,

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Speaker 4: we have learned that the suspect now pictured on the

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Speaker 4: screens is a twenty twenty three year old citizen of

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Speaker 1: Okay, why did he leave El Salvador. There's so much

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now, But as

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Speaker 1: we speak, I want to keep our mind and our

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Speaker 1: heart on Rachel Morin. We have been working this case,

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Speaker 1: investigating this case. We knew a lot about this guy,

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Speaker 1: but we just couldn't get our hands on him. Joining me,

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter for Crime online dot Com, Alexis Tereschuk. This

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Speaker 1: guy a non citizen migrant, some say illegal alien. It's

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Speaker 1: on the run from El Salvador.

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Speaker 5: Explain so, Nancy, this twenty three year old man is

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Speaker 5: here illegally, which the police officer said, from El Salvador.

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Speaker 5: He has been accused of murder in Al Salvador. He

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Speaker 5: apparently killed another young woman and then fled his country,

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Chris mcdonna, director

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Speaker 1: at the Cold Case Foundation, now former homicide detective with

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Speaker 1: over three hundred homicide inquiries under his belt, star of

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Speaker 1: the interview room. That's where I found him during the

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Speaker 1: Coburger investigation. Chris mcdonnaugh, I actually have chills on my

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Speaker 1: whole body. So number one, let's just put it out there.

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Speaker 1: He's innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Bam.

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Speaker 1: Now can we talk reality. This guy has a murder

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Speaker 1: in El Salvador. I got word from a bounty hunter

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Speaker 1: about the facts surrounding that case, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: the run. Then he goes to La and sex assaults

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Speaker 1: he doesn't run. He walks out and inside he's left

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Speaker 1: behind a wake of pain that will never ever be repaired.

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Speaker 1: There's no telling, Chris McDonough how many other victims this

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Speaker 1: guy has. Okay, your turn hit it.

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Speaker 6: We know for sure now that in El Salvador he

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Speaker 6: had a case and that Inner Pol had a what

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Speaker 6: they call a red notice on him. And what that

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Speaker 6: is is it's a worldwide alert kind of like a

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Speaker 6: bol for this individual that they had in the system.

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Speaker 1: Did you say bol Are you talking about a bolo

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Speaker 1: be on the lookout?

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, like a be on the lookout and what

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Speaker 6: it is. It's not an international arrest warrant. Basically to

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Speaker 6: notify all countries that participate in INTERPOL that this is

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Speaker 6: one dangerous dude. And LAPD gets that hit on the DNA,

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Speaker 6: they match your name to it, they get this red

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Speaker 2: The hunt for this guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris mcdona and everybody on the panel, please

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Speaker 1: jump in. A lot is happening. We're getting information fast

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Speaker 1: and furious. According to detectives, this guy her Nandez was

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Speaker 1: waiting lying in wait there at the mon Pau Trail

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Speaker 1: near Bill Air, Maryland, waiting for a victim. You know

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Speaker 1: what that tells me to Karen Start, renowned psychologists joining

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Speaker 1: That tells me, as we discussed when this first happened,

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Speaker 1: this is not his first attack. Now we know that

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Speaker 1: And remember we learned Karen Stark that at the time

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Speaker 1: Rachel was attacked and murdered in her whole face, beaten in,

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Speaker 1: worried about robbing them. He was there to rape and kill.

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Speaker 8: And this is very carefully planned if you think about it.

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Speaker 8: He left Al Savador and could have just started again

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Speaker 8: He gets pleasure. It derives pleasure from doing this. It

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Speaker 8: her mother. This person in Al Salvador's a young woman

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Speaker 1: Symbolically, a non citizen migrant who has just been busted

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Speaker 1: He has gone unapprehended after attacking a nine year old

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Speaker 1: morn As cops finally arrest an illegal migrant seen in

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Speaker 4: Listen, we all suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his

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Speaker 4: fled to the United States illegally after committing the brutal

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Speaker 4: and likely emboldened by his anonymity, he brutally attacked a

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Speaker 4: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better

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Speaker 1: Looking at this guy, he looks like somebody you might

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Speaker 1: I've tried so many cases where the victim was involved

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Speaker 1: a dichotomy of good versus evil. You have Rachel Moren, young, beautiful, happy,

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims.

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Speaker 7: Yes, good and evil, it's right there.

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Speaker 9: So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Listen?

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Speaker 4: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before

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Speaker 1: Ms Moran, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?

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Speaker 2: Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,

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Speaker 1: You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you

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Speaker 1: he did. He did, what he did, you said, after

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Speaker 1: a long pause. He stalked her, he saw her. He

435
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Speaker 1: bludgeoned her, He beat in her face, and he raped her.

436
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Speaker 1: And he left her on that trail naked. He stole

437
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Speaker 1: this mother from her children in the most brutal fashion,

438
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Speaker 1: like an animal. That is what he did. And there's

439
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Speaker 1: no way to sugarcoat it. There's no way to airbrush

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Speaker 1: it or massage it into something else. And because of Rachel,

441
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: we know who he is and he is behind bars.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened. Listen.

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Speaker 11: There was a bend in the trail that most likely

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Speaker 11: was used by the individual who attacked Rachel in the

445
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Speaker 11: trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage culvert,

446
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Speaker 11: where she ultimately lost her life.

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Speaker 12: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That

448
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 12: DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it

449
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Speaker 12: was ran through the National Code System DNA evidences.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this DNA.

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Speaker 12: Evidence has come back as a match tied to a

452
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Speaker 12: home invasion and insult and an assault of a young

453
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Speaker 12: girl in Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, that suspect

454
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Speaker 12: has not been positively identified, but he did leave behind.

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Speaker 1: His DNA and that was then. This is now We

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Speaker 1: got him due to an extensive manhunt and incredible work

457
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Speaker 1: by lab scientists in genetic genealogy cutting edge DNA, we

458
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Speaker 1: have Hernandez. I want to go to our special guest,

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Speaker 1: Patty Moren. This is Rachel's mother, Ms. Mouran. Yes, I'm

460
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: so sorry what you've lived through, but I know you're

461
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: going to be front and center when this goes to trial.

462
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: How many times have you let yourself lived through what

463
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Speaker 1: Rachel experienced?

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Speaker 2: It's an everyday thing. Sad to say, it's I know.

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Speaker 2: Part of grieving is you have to face the facts

466
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Speaker 2: and you have to process them. And until they apprehended

467
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: the suspect, it was easy to kind of live and

468
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Speaker 2: deny a little bit. But now that they have a suspect,

469
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: it makes all the facts true and you have to

470
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Speaker 2: face the truth and accept it. And so you have

471
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Speaker 2: to rethink what you've been told and process those thoughts

472
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Speaker 2: and put a timeline to it. And it's very it's like,

473
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: it's so painful and grieving to think what my daughter

474
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Speaker 2: experienced and that there was no one there to help her.

475
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Speaker 2: You know, as moms, we want.

476
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Speaker 1: To protect our children, and I have.

477
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: Something so unexpected to happen, and for us just not

478
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: to be there, not able to help, it's been a

479
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: very it's it's been very hard. It's my plan to

480
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: be there because I wasn't there to protect her or

481
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: to help her, but I want to be there after

482
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: the fact, I guess to make sure that absolutely everything

483
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Speaker 2: is done for her and that nothing is left undone.

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Speaker 1: Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms morn, I'm

485
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: just so glad you're there. Randolph Rice, high profile lawyer

486
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: that's working with the Moron family. Just let me go

487
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: to Chris McDonough. He is the director of the Cold

488
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: Case Foundation. He has been working on this case and

489
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: investigating on his own, as we all have been. Former

490
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: homicide detective with no less than three hundred homicide investigations

491
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: under his belt. I found him on YouTube on the

492
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Speaker 1: interview room during the Coburger investigation and was struck by

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Speaker 1: his knowledge, his intimate familiarity with not only that case,

494
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Speaker 1: but the workings of a courtroom. And Chris McDonough, I

495
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever let yourself think about the

496
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Speaker 1: suffering of the victims that you and I have represented

497
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Speaker 1: our whole careers, if you can call what we do

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Speaker 1: a career. But Chris, I'm listening to Ms. Morin and

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Speaker 1: I have never been quite as brave as she is

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Speaker 1: being today because when I think about my fiance's murder,

501
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: what happened in those moments that he was killed, I

502
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Speaker 1: stopped myself because to this day it gives me an

503
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: intense headache, a horrible headache when I start reliving what

504
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I think happened. Crime victims never get away from it,

505
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Speaker 1: and I can't. Now that I've got children, I can't

506
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Speaker 1: imagine what a parent goes through. You heard Rachel. You

507
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: heard Rachel's mom describing you can't be there for your child,

508
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: your baby, you can't help them. It's excruciating. How do

509
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: you separate yourself from that? Chris?

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Speaker 6: You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,

511
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Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody quite understands like Nancy's explaining

512
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 6: about the death of her fiance, what depth of pain

513
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 6: you can get to. But here's the other good news.

514
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 6: You can get through it, and you can empower yourself

515
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 6: that her life makes a difference to perhaps somebody else's family,

516
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 6: that this never happens again to anybody else, that they

517
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 6: have to experience what you're experiencing. So it does. You

518
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 6: will be able to get through it.

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00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 13: And you know, I know.

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Speaker 6: That Nancy's given you an amazing platform here to tell

521
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: the nation. You know how you're going to do that,

522
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Speaker 6: and I commend you for saying what you've said even

523
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Speaker 6: this morning.

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Speaker 14: I will personally be leading the prosecution of this case.

525
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 14: While the defendant is innocent, until and unless he has

526
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Speaker 14: proven guilty, Arford County and our neighboring communities can rest

527
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Speaker 14: assured that my office will take all steps necessary to

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Speaker 14: ensure that justice is served for Rachel Morin and her family.

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Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, there is a prosecutor with some backbone that

530
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Speaker 1: will go after this case. But the case isn't done.

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Speaker 1: The case is still being built. Listen.

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Speaker 4: We're still looking for information. He was in this area

533
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Speaker 4: for at least some period of time, and when I

534
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: say the area, he was in the bel Air area

535
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: for some period of time before or right after the homicide.

536
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 4: Were both so if people still have information, and now

537
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: that there's a name to put with the face, the

538
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: investigators still want to talk to you. We still want

539
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 4: to know. We still want to build that timeline because

540
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Speaker 4: there is a case to prosecute. We want to put

541
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Speaker 4: all the pieces together so that Miss Healy can do

542
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 4: her job most successfully and again ensure this guy never

543
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Speaker 4: sees the light of day.

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Speaker 1: And in that Vein says, the case is still being built.

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Speaker 1: Here's the tip line toll free eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: four zero eight four seven seven repeat eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five four zero eight four seven seven. This case has

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Speaker 1: got to be fleshed out. There's got to be more

549
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: than DNA to present to a jury. Eyewitnesses, someone that

550
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Speaker 1: knew him before leading up to the murder of this

551
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Speaker 1: mother of five. Where did he go when he left

552
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: that trail? What did he do with his clothing? Where

553
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: did he wash his clothes? Where was he living? These

554
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: and other facts are very very important. Did he have

555
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: scratches to his face, his neck, his arms? What can

556
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: we find out? We've all seen cases that are strictly

557
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: DNA cases that have been eviscerated by a good defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: That cannot happen in this case, that cannot happen in

559
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Speaker 1: this case, I want to go to special guests joining

560
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: us in addition to Rachel's mother, it's Randolph Rice, high

561
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: profile lawyer who is helping the Moran family through this. Randolph,

562
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. It's the fingerprint nature

563
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: of the crimes, the similarities. In both cases, he lie

564
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: in wait for the right moment. In both cases, he

565
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: had tacked a female. In both cases, he's wearing the

566
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: same thing. In both cases, there was physical brutality. In

567
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: both cases, he makes off casually. He walked out of

568
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: that house like he owned it. And I guarantee you

569
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: he did the same thing in Rachel's murder. The similarities

570
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Speaker 1: of these cases, and there's going to be more. I

571
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Speaker 1: just wonder if the case in El Salvador is as

572
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Speaker 1: similar and that can be brought in at trial as

573
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Speaker 1: a similar transaction. I mean, if we're going to go,

574
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Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, let's go all the way.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 13: You're right, and it's you as a former prosecutor and

577
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Speaker 13: back in the day when I had a little less

578
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 13: gray hair, I remember prepping for these types of cases.

579
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Speaker 10: And you're right.

580
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Speaker 13: You have got to put together a timeline of where

581
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 13: he was leading up to this and where he was

582
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Speaker 13: after because there could be patterns, there could be similarities.

583
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Speaker 1: Bombshell. In the case of a El Solvadorian man charged

584
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Speaker 1: and the murder of mom of five, Rachel Mooren, a

585
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: delay a delay has been announced in a court of law.

586
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Why this case is one of the most brutal attacks

587
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I'm just wondering how you're getting through

588
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: each day. How do you put your head on the pillow,

589
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: how do you make yourself fall asleep when you wake

590
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: up in the morning, What makes you get out of bed?

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Speaker 2: Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last

592
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: ten months, because you just you think about Rachel's life,

593
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: You think about all the details before she was murdered,

594
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: and you think, is there any any little detail that

595
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: I missed that could help in some way? And so

596
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: up until the suspect was apprehended, that's the way my

597
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: days were like, literally day and night. Is there anything

598
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: that I've missed in her life that could have been

599
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: helpful in finding the suspect? And now that they have

600
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: apprehended him, there is now a sense of relief, where before,

601
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: to be honest, I was afraid to go to sleep

602
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: at night. Not that I look like my daughter anyway,

603
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: but I was just as a woman. I just felt afraid,

604
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: and I know our community did as well, especially the women,

605
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: and so we've feel a sigh of relief, but now

606
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: it's still feeling exhausted and thinking what more can I

607
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: do to help my daughter on this side of the investigation.

608
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Is there is there anything that law enforcement might need

609
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: from me that would be of help. But I think

610
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: the most important thing is just letting people know that

611
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: if you've seen this person, have any interaction with him

612
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: in any way over the past year, to contact our

613
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: local law enforcement, the sheriff department, so that they can

614
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: put the last couple of puzzle pieces together to make

615
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: this a very solid and concise case. I'm sure that

616
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: it's going that it's very well put together now. I

617
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: just don't want anything left undone. I hope that answers

618
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: your question.

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Speaker 1: It does? It does chrism Donald joining me veteran law enforcement.

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00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what Patty Rachel Moren's mom is just saying.

621
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Speaker 1: Know there are going to be other crimes to connect

622
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: him to, but I want to focus right now on

623
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Speaker 1: the prosecution in the Rachel Moren murder, and we need

624
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: to fill in all the blanks leading up to and

625
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: after the time of Rachel's murder and attack. The best way,

626
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: of course is DNA, and his DNA has already been

627
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: entered into the National DNA Data Bank. But there is

628
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: also the fingerprint data bank where he may not have

629
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: left DNA or the DNA may not have been preserved.

630
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: There's a possibility of a fingerprint match. Offer instance, a

631
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: burglary that turned into an aggravated assault or rate, a

632
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: fingerprint on a car, a fingerprint anywhere that I can

633
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: connect him to a crime, and also a digital fingerprint. Okay,

634
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: this guy is, as we say now, a migrant, that's

635
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: what we're saying. Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so

636
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: we're not going to track him through his credit card

637
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: or his Social Security number. That's not happening. But I

638
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: guarantee you this. I guarantee you he had a top

639
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: of the line iPhone or Android. Okay, this guy is

640
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: involved with a gang. He is in a gang notorious

641
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: for crime. I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases I did.

642
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing

643
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: to them, and I guarantee you he was tricked out

644
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: with the best phone to keep in touch with his

645
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: gang buddies. All right, that's a way to trace him

646
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: where he has been, what he has been doing. Yes, No,

647
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: you are.

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent right, Nanti that if this guy, you know,

649
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 6: we first of all, we have some good information here.

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Speaker 6: Number one, he committed this ferocious crime in El Salvador

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Speaker 6: and then at some point he must have crossed into

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Speaker 6: this country. The question is how many times and did

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Speaker 6: they ever have contact with him? And if so, how

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Speaker 6: does he make it to la And that gang connection

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Speaker 6: that you're talking about is probably the most logical connection

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Speaker 6: to this thing, because that neighborhood where that first attack

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Speaker 6: occurred is in the seventy seventh division of LAPD. That

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Speaker 6: is one rough neighborhood. Let me tell you, I've been

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Speaker 6: there and we've served many search warrants there. And so

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Speaker 6: how does he blend into that circumstance and that gang

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Speaker 6: affiliation is probably the most likely that would make him

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Speaker 6: a chameleon within that environment, and why he was hidden

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Speaker 6: for as long as he has while on the run.

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Speaker 1: When you walk through the park and you see a

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Speaker 1: little squirrel or ra run across your path. Is your

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Speaker 1: instinct to pounce upon it, grab it and bite its

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Speaker 1: throat out. No, your instinct may be to pet it

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Speaker 1: or try to throw it a treat. This guy is

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Speaker 1: not like you. This guy's instinct is to attack. He's

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Speaker 1: crossed the border three times that I know of in

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Speaker 1: two months. He's been from Tulsa to La to bel Air, Maryland,

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Speaker 1: and everywhere in between. You want to tell me he

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Speaker 1: could fight his impulse to attack. No way. Joining me

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Speaker 1: is a very special guest. Patty morn is with us.

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Speaker 1: Rachel's mother, Ms.

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Speaker 14: Moran.

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Speaker 1: You are speaking to thousands and thousands of parents who

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Speaker 1: are suffering, and I want you, as best as you

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Speaker 1: can to explain what you do when you feel overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: by the loss of your girl.

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Speaker 15: Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.

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Speaker 2: I know that different people have different religious affiliations, but

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Speaker 2: I believe in the Lord, and I believe that God

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Speaker 2: has a plan and a purpose even if we don't

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Speaker 2: understand it. And I believe that God is good and

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Speaker 2: that he loves me. And so when things are very

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Speaker 2: hard to the I go to the rock. I ease

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Speaker 2: my solace, and I just pray and pour my heart

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Speaker 2: out to him and he comforts me. But then I

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Speaker 2: also have a close group of friends and that have

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Speaker 2: been such a support these last few months, praying for

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Speaker 2: our family, giving encouraging words. Mister Rice, what an awesome

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Speaker 2: man he is. He is so good and so kind

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Speaker 2: and so generous, just really very good supportive people. And

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Speaker 2: so I would encourage anyone that's feeling pain from a

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Speaker 2: loss to get counseling, to have a support group, a

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Speaker 2: group of friends, maybe grief share, and just to keep

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Speaker 2: your friends close and don't be afraid to feel your

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Speaker 2: feelings and to process them because you don't want to

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Speaker 2: be stuck.

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Speaker 1: And it's.

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Speaker 2: Healthy, even though it's very very painful, healthy to process them.

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Speaker 2: And I want to make sure that I'm healthy for

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Speaker 2: my family. So I'm willing to feel the pain now

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Speaker 2: so that I'm not stuck and not moving forward for

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Speaker 2: my grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfolds Nancy Grace crime story

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,