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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the undisputed lightweight boxing Championship, the Summit. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about Devin Haney, We're talking about Vasili Limachenko. It

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Speaker 1: has just gone down behind us in Las Vegas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got a little bit of controversy, but we also

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Speaker 1: got an incredible fight, high speed chess literally at its finest.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Morning Combats. Instant analysis of tonight's Haney Aloma

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Speaker 1: Chenko pay per view main event. My name is Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: one half of course of your MK duo alongside Luke

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Speaker 1: Thomas every Monday, Wednesday and Friday on YouTube. And we

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Speaker 1: had to go instant reaction because we knew the stakes

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Speaker 1: were huge in this fight. But I gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I still would have been okay if this

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Speaker 1: was a boring technical chess match, right if this was

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people said ahead of time, well,

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Speaker 1: Haney can talk a big game and push Loma at

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Speaker 1: the presser, but ultimately this is going to be jab

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Speaker 1: the best to fight face. The best this fight is is,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the top three of really the best

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Speaker 1: fights you can make in the entire sport. It's the

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Speaker 1: perfect showcase coming off of of course, the Tank Davis

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Speaker 1: Stevenson is waiting on deck. Next. We might really have

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Speaker 1: our own four Princes or however you want to call

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Speaker 1: them or categorize them. And of course that that phrases

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Speaker 1: trademark by Karen mulvaney of the Showtop Boxing podcast. But uh,

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Speaker 1: we may have something on our hands here. We really might.

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Speaker 1: And I get there's gonna be a certain level of

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Speaker 1: outrage down to the scoring tonight. Don't let that. Don't

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Speaker 1: let that cloud or ruin what what was a great fight,

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Speaker 1: Because what made the Four Kings great? We had four

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Speaker 1: and they fought each other a total of nine times. Right?

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Speaker 1: Can we get that in this era? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what. Haney and Lomachenko are going

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Speaker 1: probably deserve to be based on what was an incredible fight.

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Speaker 1: But let's be very very close fight with very close rounds. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you had big swings and momentum and ebbs and flows,

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Speaker 1: everything you would want out of this type of fight.

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Speaker 1: You know, when a fight is so when you can

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Speaker 1: get people that are going for it, that are fighting

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Speaker 1: highest theater if you're a real boxing fan, there's no question.

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Speaker 1: You know what's my favorite example is I always say

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Speaker 1: of high speech As of course it's Oscar de la Hoya.

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Speaker 1: Shane Mosley won from the year two thousand, but UH

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Speaker 1: coach Phil mccagan and I were texting her in this fight.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you know, doesn't this feel a little bit

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Speaker 1: like Paqui al Thurman? Yeah, it does. Another great pay

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Speaker 1: And really, I think that fight could have gone either way. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: spoiler alerts, right because why the hell would you tune

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Speaker 1: in think you deserve a warning. But here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: This went down over the twelve full rounds and with

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Speaker 1: Devin the Dream Haney, twenty four year old, undefeated, still

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Speaker 1: BC had No. I had Devin Haney up four rounds

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Speaker 1: Look how hard this fight was. But you know, there's

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Speaker 1: I think is even more brilliant than we saw. But

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00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: what did we see here? Ultimately, the great performances we

426
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: talked about from Loma Loma was he salty and defeat

427
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: a little bit. There was a little bit of the

428
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, my God is better than yours back and

429
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 1: back play, which reminds, you know, as a throwback to

430
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: Holyfield Entyson and the you know fine whatever I mean,

431
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: I'm I'm down for shouting out God. I'm not you

432
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: know usually into like publicly throwing my god against years

433
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: and doing that jous. But the Loma comment at the

434
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: end though, was interesting when he ultimately said, hen, he

435
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: is a good fighter, but he is not a pound

436
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: for pound fighter. If you believe Hanni made the Loma

437
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: made the adjustments in the second half, like I do.

438
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: I get that. That's interesting. The punch stats at the

439
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: end of the day, by the way, had the advantage

440
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: in punches landed to Loma one hundred and twenty four

441
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: to one hundred ten. Obviously that can fuel your argument, sure,

442
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: but you have to take that with a grain of

443
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: salt considering that, you know, like, look, if there's no

444
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: ten eight rounds, then sometimes it's all romanticized. Sometimes it's

445
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: all while I watched that guy, he had the better fight, right, Yeah,

446
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: but what about the math exam I'm not saying ten

447
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: to nine's twelve round scoring is the best way. I'm

448
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: not saying boxing is you know, on the up and

449
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: up all the time too, or has the most educated,

450
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, people in the right spots. There's a lot

451
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: going on in boxing. But that looks like what that

452
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: fight was a very close fight. I think if you're

453
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: looking for something in the stats to bring Hani's argument

454
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: back in that he won, how about he landed forty

455
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: one percent of his power shots and he wasn't able

456
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: to make his jab work consistently. There were some good

457
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: stretches where Handy looked very good with the jab, but

458
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't able to make that a weapon and really

459
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: take firm command of the distance. And you know when

460
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: when Lomachenko started to adjust to that early Well, first

461
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: Lomachenko was darting and early, like I mentioned, with some

462
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: of those footwork patterns, but then he started punching his

463
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: way in and that, you know, that was the change.

464
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean again, the visual of seeing the smaller man

465
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: walking down the bigger man. That's why it's easy to

466
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: get romanticized on all that guy should have won. But

467
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: there were no ten eight rounds at the end of

468
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: the day. And Haney did have that better connect or

469
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: a better uh you know, overall percentage on power punches,

470
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: and he did seem to land I don't know, it

471
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: did seem like Ultimately, I think in those two dominant

472
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: rounds I mentioned, Lomachenko probably landed the biggest and best

473
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: punches of this fight. To be fair, but Hani did

474
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: some very good work. Those lead upper cuts, the body work,

475
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: just some high at level shit. And I thought Harvey

476
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: Dack did a good job as referee, and he's always

477
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more of the safer kind. And this

478
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: was the same night, by the way, that Tony Weeks,

479
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: who had last weeks Roly Romero refing debacle was uh

480
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: was in the UFC cage and uh in judging the

481
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: same fight that Adelaide Bird was also, so that was

482
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: just like you know, and by the way, and Steve

483
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: Mazagatti was the official timekeeper for the Hani Lomachenko fight.

484
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: So there you go. Combat sports just swapping wives, almost

485
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: literally because Adelaide Bird's married to Hall of Famer Robert Bert.

486
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know if they're swappers or swingers. That's

487
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: not something I'm meant too. If you're wondering right there,

488
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I did think I had a point though I was

489
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: where I was going. Oh, Doc, Doc had a good night.

490
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: It's conservative, but he was Uh. He issued the right warnings,

491
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: I thought. And there was you know, Hane, there was

492
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: some there was some stritch where Haney was was towing

493
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: the lines, you know, And and I and I'm not

494
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: against that necessarily. Like everybody got mad when Haiti shovel

495
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: Lomachenko a Friday's way, and I liked it. People either

496
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: got mad because it was disrespectful. Yeah, it was disrespectable

497
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: by the way, or they felt that that's like Ronda

498
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: Rowsey going off on Holly Holm at that way and

499
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: in Australia, and we should have saw that as like

500
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: Rowsey's not fully focused, she's kind of scared, blah blah blah.

501
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: I didn't think that for Haney. I thought, you know,

502
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Devin Haney did a great job in this promotion of

503
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: trying to be like, okay, like, yeah, Lomah, you're the legend,

504
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: but dude, I'm the champion, Like these are all my

505
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: belts here, like I'm not. I'm not fucking bowing down

506
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: to you or taking a step backwards at all. Now, ultimately,

507
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: Loma made him take step backwards in the ring, and

508
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: that's probably why you scored it that way. But still

509
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I liked the way that Devin Haney handled that, and

510
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: I liked that times when he was kind of towing

511
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: the lines with the rules and making the referee do

512
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: his job and Harvey doc ultimately I thought police did well,

513
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: but also didn't throw anything in there that, you know,

514
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: a point deduction unnecessarily. Let's say, that could have really

515
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: changed this because some referees will you know, God Vic Draculic,

516
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: remember that guy. I mean, I mean some referees will

517
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, just yeah, yeah, you lost the

518
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: point and you're like, whoa bro, that is a quick trigger.

519
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: But you know, they all have different strike zones at

520
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: the end of the day, hany better early of course,

521
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, once Loma started to counter Haney's jab, he

522
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: took it away though, and I mean, how great? How

523
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: great is Loma really because this is a night where

524
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: Haney's defense was on point, as I mentioned, particularly in

525
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: the first half of the fight, and Loma's adjustment ultimately

526
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: is to walk down the bigger puncher and act like

527
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: the bigger man. I mean, that's what legends do, That's

528
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: what the great ones do. He's already doing things like

529
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: the in a weight class over his head, like two

530
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: weight divisions, probably over his head against the biggest possible

531
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: lightweight who also has the power to hurt you. But

532
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: on top of that is great defense. And Hani figured

533
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: that out and got inside. Yeah, hey, yeah, I'm sorry

534
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Loma did. Yeah, Lomo won this fight. I think they

535
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: got that. They got the wrong guy. Not robbery though,

536
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: not robbery all right, big comeback round though in round

537
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: seven for Lomachenko, and that's when he started to get

538
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: inside and you know, he started acting like the biggerman.

539
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: He's suddenly pushing and leaning and his work on the break. Ultimately,

540
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: like Hani had a right to try to make that

541
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: a mental gamer, to try to plan a seat in

542
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: the referee's head, because that's when Loma does great work,

543
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: and it's not by doing necessarily dirty of holding with

544
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: one arm and hitting with the other, although he gets

545
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: close to that at times. A lot of times he'll hit,

546
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: he'll throw punches just as it looks like both fighters

547
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: are going to embrace. So it's almost like just as

548
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: the opposite fighter kind of lets his guard down a

549
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: little bit and actually opens the guard a little bit,

550
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: and you know that's also teeing the line. But I

551
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: think a lot of times he'll lean on kind of

552
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: getting the punches off quicker than you'd think, and he

553
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: can surprise you. But him figuring out the timing of

554
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: Hany in that second half was a monster part of

555
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: what he was able to do, and of course he's

556
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: setting traps and then suddenly you know, Hani's not able

557
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: to get off his power shots, and then you know,

558
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: I really think Hany kind of went into a cocoon

559
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: there for a couple rounds in terms of letting his

560
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: punches go until that twelfth turnaround. So did Hany pass

561
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: the test? Yeah, there was a math way you could

562
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: have scored it for him. But you do have a

563
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: little bit of that who home feeling afterwards, because if

564
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: they don't do this rematch, or if these two don't

565
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: meet again before Loma walks away. But you know, also

566
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: that happens sometimes. It's like if they don't do a

567
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: rematch because Haiti's gonna fight Shakur next. You know, I'm

568
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: not looking to get in the way of that. But

569
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: you know it'd be different if he's got to do

570
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: because he's got four belts. It could come into play

571
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: with the alphabets, where all you gotta have mandatory defense

572
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: against this guy no one's heard of, or this guy

573
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of. Maybe Hani already issuing the

574
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: threat that he's wait wise willing to move away shows

575
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: that maybe the belts you know, won't keep him there,

576
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: and I like that. If there's a big name at

577
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: thirty five, take it. But if not, let's not do

578
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: that song. Add you are the undisputed champion, and sometimes

579
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: the sanctioning bodies don't make it easy to be because

580
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: they want you to fight the guy that no one's

581
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: ever heard of in thirty days or you lose your title. Yeah,

582
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: there you go with that. So I'm not going to

583
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: get in the way of that. Damn. I would love,

584
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: obviously for Lomachenko to fight Jervonte next. I mean that

585
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: would be I actually think that fight would have a

586
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: better chance of being made than the hany one for

587
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: a few different reasons, subtle reasons, but I think you

588
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: could make that. You know, Lomachenko's a sneaky pay per

589
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: view brand in a sense. I don't think as a leader, no,

590
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: but you know, as the A side, know, but as

591
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: the credibility in the legend side, when you mixed with

592
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: somebody who does like a Gervante, I think that fight

593
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: could do very well. Actually, you're not Ryan Garcia numbers,

594
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: but I think it could do very well. But I

595
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: don't think we would see that next. I do want

596
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: to see this another time. I do. I want to

597
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: see if Hany can grow from this performance. A bent

598
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: but never fully broke. But the bend was it? Did

599
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: it suggest negative things? I say no, because he's in

600
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: there against Loma and he was brilliant at times, and

601
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: there's got to be you know, room for this. You know,

602
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: I thought this was a Haini loss at the end

603
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: of this fight, but I wasn't disappointed in him per se,

604
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: because you've got to go for it. And he was

605
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: at a point in his career earlier than most at

606
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: twenty four, for sure, but he has maturity that's way way,

607
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, in another category than most of his age,

608
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: and a focus and all of that. You may, you know,

609
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: you may lose. You may go in there. You know,

610
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: it's like Leonard Duran right, like one like you may

611
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: go in there and lose, but how do you come back?

612
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like, can we talk about how big of

613
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: a comeback win this is for Loma based on the

614
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: Teo Femal fight where yeah, he was brilliant in rounds

615
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: seven through eleven or eight through eleven, but why the

616
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: hell did you start so late? And the comments afterwards

617
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: from Loma were almost conspiratorial as to why he lost.

618
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: It was a little bit off right for his character.

619
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: We talked leading into this fight how he feels. He's

620
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: a much more humble man from that point, from that

621
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: loss and from not focusing so much on you know,

622
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: his his aura and his record and in his resume.

623
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: But he fought tonight like like one of the all

624
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: time greats. And I say that where glory is the

625
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: only thing that matters, and glory I'll get you fed

626
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: up and not able to you know, speak without slurring

627
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: later in your you know, in your middle age years

628
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: for sure. But Luma was about that life. And that's

629
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: why in some ways it's like, Okay, if you didn't

630
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: get to win, I'm not you know, based on what

631
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: I saw with my eyes, I'm not going to be

632
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: picketing on the streets. I do think though he deserves

633
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: a rematch, I really do. But if we get Hany

634
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: versus Shirker Stephens and next, that's that's probably the I mean,

635
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: Shaker versus Loma might be the best chess match we

636
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: can make in terms of just that, right, But let's

637
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: give Haney credit for the chess he played tonight. Haney

638
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: versus Shakurz a very interesting fight. Can Hani be broken?

639
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: I think he'll improve from this. I'd like to see him.

640
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to say. I want to say,

641
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a knee jerk criticism sometimes for

642
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Hani as you want to be more offensive. This is

643
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: why I don't want to balk so much if he

644
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: scored it for him, because he was way more offensive

645
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: than he normally is he. I mean, he's he evolved

646
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: in the first half of this fight. He he went

647
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: up to a new level against you know, one of

648
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: the greatest, one of the hardest guys. They hit right

649
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: statistically all that, but there's some things inside he's probably

650
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, walk out and talk about

651
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: and clean up and sweep up and and and I

652
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: think he'll grow from that, though I ultimately think he will.

653
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, forty percent, you land forty one percent of

654
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: your power shots against Loma, and you know he only

655
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: outlands you by fourteen. I mean, that's that's that's saying

656
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: something right there. He went twelve rounds with the great one,

657
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: who's still great and deserves deserves even with this loss

658
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: of high pund for pound ranking. Once again, this it's weird.

659
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: This loss might be the best win of Loma's career.

660
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean it really might, right, it really might. Uh.

661
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I know that the Girma Riggandal fight met more to

662
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Loma and maybe the like you know, boxing classics historians

663
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: narrative makers about the did that pro fight Crown who

664
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: was the greatest amateur fighter of all time because they

665
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: were both a two time Olympic gold medalist? No, no, no,

666
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: that fight came like way too late at two way

667
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: classes higher than he should have been at. So no,

668
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, but some people say, oh that you know

669
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: that was No, this is Loma's biggest fight tonight, and

670
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: he still got it and you get the win, though

671
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: did not get the win quickly. Katie Taylor got upset

672
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: in Dublin in her first appearance in her native land.

673
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: Obviously you know the setup. She's the undisputed lightweight champion,

674
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: but she moved up to one forty because the rematch

675
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: with Amanda Toronto fell apart and instead took on Chantel

676
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: Camera and who's also undefeated and also the undisputed champion.

677
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: And it ultimately goes down as I think it was

678
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: a split decision or a majority decision. I believe it

679
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: was majority decision on one card was even and then

680
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: two cards for Chantel. Camera and Katie Taylor had big moments,

681
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: but that fight looked a lot wider. And you know,

682
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor's heart was on full display and like always,

683
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: and you know, she kept trying to figure out ways,

684
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: but she also seemed off and I think you have

685
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: to ask yourself in in you know, was this her

686
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: getting old or was this just a bridge too far?

687
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: I didn't think this. I was dead wrong, way dead

688
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: wrong in my prediction here on Okay bet for this

689
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: because I didn't think ultimately that the size would matter

690
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: that much because I do believe she's more skilled than Cameron.

691
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: But Cameron also looked better in this fight than I've

692
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: seen her in terms of not wasting the right hand,

693
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: like making it matter. She has a great job and

694
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: she throws a lot of punches, but I think her

695
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: power really bothered Katie either. This was an off night

696
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: for Katy Taylor, and I don't think it ultimately was.

697
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I do question about the age part of it, how

698
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: much that's slowing her down to a certain degree, but

699
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: we know the shape she comes in and she was

700
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: able to rally to some level, but the power of

701
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: Chantel Cameron and coach Phil mccagu and my guy was

702
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: texting me before I even started watching it, saying, man,

703
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: this looks like you know, Canelo against Bevall in some ways,

704
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: and he might be right, but I really feel like

705
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: this fight and I know we say that after every

706
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: big women's fight during this recent renaissance turnaround era for

707
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: women to finally get the close up, right, is the

708
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: way it's set up with the ten rounds and the

709
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: two minute rounds. I mean, it just sucks. It really sucks.

710
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: It really, it really sucks. And you know, both of

711
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: these fighters kind of fight. They don't fight a berserker

712
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: style like Delphine Pursue necessarily, where you just square up

713
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: and run head on into traffic. But they're aggressive and

714
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: they've experienced champions in the two minute round system and

715
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: know that you've got to be aggressive. But they're also

716
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: not reckless. So I thought ultimately the advantage and technique

717
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: would would allow Katie Taylor to have to win a

718
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: hard fought one, but win at Cleaning and Claire. But

719
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: credits to Chantell Cameron, who just I mean, right off

720
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: the start, she jumped on her, which I thought was interesting,

721
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: you know. I thought that was the right strategy and

722
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: really got off with punches. But to land that one too.

723
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: I wonder if she hurt Katie Taylor earlier than we realized,

724
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: and being hurt and having to constantly kind of come

725
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: from behind in that fight and try to you know,

726
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: regain her senses and then try to find a path

727
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: to rally. It slowed down Katie and made it look

728
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: like she was either a little bit old or a

729
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: little bit rusty on this night, or what have you.

730
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: I thought, just the cheers of Ireland and was a

731
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: great It seemed like a great atmosphere through the television

732
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: screen for sure in Dublin. There and Conor McGregor going

733
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: nuts ringside, But she was never able to get out

734
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: of first gear really, you know what I mean, Like

735
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: like flour should flurry. She had some big flurries and

736
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: you could have argued how to I think I scored

737
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: seven to three for Cameron and the judges had to

738
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: wake you know, really close. I just don't see that

739
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: because Taylor had moments. Cameron had rounds though, like she

740
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: had stretches in round. She had minutes right where she

741
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: was controlling, and Katie's head movement was just not there,

742
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just not there anyway, because she's so

743
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: offensive and so dynamic, and but she was just willing,

744
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: just early on oddly to sort of stand in there

745
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: and trade, and she got overwhelmed, you know, just by

746
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: a bigger fighter and a bigger puncher, and it was

747
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: it was an interesting theater. What I don't love necessarily

748
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: in that one is that there is an immediate rematch clause,

749
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: and you know, Katie Taylor's jumping all over it now.

750
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: She's doing that because she's a true champion, right then.

751
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: That's why Canella wants to fight Bevall. It seems way

752
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: more than he wants to fight Benavidez right now, even

753
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: though we're all sort of like, okay, we saw the

754
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: b Vaull thing already was cool, But dude, I don't

755
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: think you're gonna win that, you know, could Katie Taylor? Yeah?

756
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: I think I think Katy Taylor's going to do better

757
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: in this. If I guess they are doing this rematches

758
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: fall it's it's contractually obligated. I just felt like there

759
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: wasn't even a conversation with the you know, about the consideration.

760
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you do have that Serrano fight to build

761
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: toward you that was supposed to be this fight, you know.

762
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting, interesting choice, but the negotiated it

763
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: in Antell. Cameron agreed with it, so that's where we're at.

764
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: But you know, Katie's got to be She's got to

765
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: come into it not looking like she out. She outdogged

766
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: Serrano at some points in the second half of that

767
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: fight after getting hurt in the midway, but I still

768
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: felt like Serrano edged her out. But if you scored

769
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: it for Katie, I get I guess why. I get why,

770
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, And certainly she had to match Delphine pursuon

771
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: in both fights, her sort of berserker style which just

772
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: forces you into a brawl by brawling with her but

773
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: being more technical brawler. I wonder if Katie's got a

774
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: box in this rematch with Cameron. But again, this is

775
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: where the ten rounds and two minute rounds set up.

776
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: It just sucks. It just sucks, you know, just as

777
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: soon as it gets good. I mean, it sucks for

778
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: punchers because nobody's got gaudy knockout numbers for the most part,

779
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: because you know, you can get somebody hurt, but sometimes

780
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: you need that extra minute to finish them, and you know,

781
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: ten rounds. I mean, yeah, I don't like it. I

782
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: really don't like it. All right, that's it, though, I

783
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: don't know how many more times I can just sit

784
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: in front of this camera and tell you, I think

785
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Loima one, but Hayin he gets to win. But what

786
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: a damn great fight, what a division. Please don't don't

787
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: let this sowur you. I mean, if if you only

788
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: watch boxing every so often and you just happened to

789
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: watch two weeks in a row and it was the

790
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: Roly situation and this, yeah, I get, I get you

791
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: could be a little bit jaded. I get that. Well,

792
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you gotta make the decision right now.

793
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: You inner you out, okay, because if you're in, then

794
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, we got some weird family members in this

795
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: family and they've got criminal records and we're not supposed

796
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Okay, now we got well we

797
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: have that too, of boxing. But no, this wasn't a

798
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: black guy. This is a great night. It's a great fight.

799
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great ass fight. You know, I

800
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: mentioned those two comparisons of Pacchia Thurman and Moseley de

801
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: la Hoya one. It just felt like that maybe the

802
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: Carl Frampton Leo Santa Cruz fights that people don't talk

803
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: about anymore, of those two fights that were just awesome,

804
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: this felt like a lot like that. I want to

805
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: I want to say that two Fight series with Carl

806
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: Frott and Michel Kestler too, but that actually had more

807
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: action than this, considerably more. That's great two fight series

808
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen that, but it looks like you

809
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: have seen this fight and I hope you enjoyed it.

810
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed this post fight wrap up show. Shout

811
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: out to Mikey Morma on the other side if he's

812
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: still wake This guy always up working on MK. We'll

813
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: be back Monday. You're gonna get Luke Thomas's breakdown along

814
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: with mine as we look at this fight and look

815
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: forward in future about what could be next for both

816
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and what hair. How LT scored it, I'm interested in.

817
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen his Twitter account, but uh, we'll have

818
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: more on this and the UFC weekend. Hey, how about

819
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Dern Right right? Somebody said something like that, I'm

820
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: shocked you didn't get that finished anyway, you'll hear that

821
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: on Monday. I got it. I got it at some point.

822
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Turn this camera off. So for uh yeah whatever, I mean,

823
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, I mean you want you know,

824
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: just it's yeah, it's it's probably I mean, you just

825
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: it's probably a