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Speaker 2: Oh, it's Behind the Bastard's a podcast that gets behind

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Speaker 2: the bastards. You know what this is. You know what

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Speaker 2: it means. We talk about bad people, the worst in

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Speaker 2: all of history, and today.

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Speaker 3: Start this with a very tony soprano.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh is that a tony soprano? I never watched

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Speaker 2: the Sopranos. Here to be angry at me about that

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Speaker 2: is post Sophie licker Litman, my producer and Jeff May.

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Speaker 4: Haven't you had Matt Leeb on this show and yet you.

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Speaker 2: Still have not seen the Sopranos.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?

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Speaker 4: That's an act of aggression.

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Speaker 3: Can you can you spend this weekend at least watching

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry. I'm an Italian American. I was raised

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Speaker 2: in the Sopranos, you know, like got mobbed up family.

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Speaker 3: You need this down the list?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 3: All right, you need you.

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Speaker 4: We had to change our last name.

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Speaker 3: You need to watch the Sopranos this year. That is

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Speaker 3: your goal for the first year of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I'm disgusted with you right now.

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Speaker 4: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: I can use the Italian slurs. You can't, Sophie.

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Speaker 3: I'm horrified by your behavior.

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Speaker 4: I can use those slurs too. You can't tell you

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Speaker 2: I'm not Italian, but I know you're a but you

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Speaker 5: It's been a long while since I visited. The embargo

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what I was thinking that.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay. DEI is over. We can say

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Speaker 2: Jeff May. No, Jeff, you're one of our I mean

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Speaker 2: you're you're my old friend from back in the day,

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Speaker 2: Cracked uh and lived in Los Angeles. And you're also

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Speaker 2: one of our favorite guests. And this is this is fun.

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Speaker 2: You and I have both seen the movie Ghost Dog,

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Speaker 2: featuring the magnificent Forest Whitaker American Samurai himself. You know

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Speaker 2: that's in the Criterion collection now. It should be, it

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Speaker 2: should be. It's perfect.

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Speaker 4: It's a beautiful movie. I will say.

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Speaker 5: I have bonded over my love of Ghost Dog Wave

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Speaker 5: Warrior with more than just you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incredible film. I've been bringing up now

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Speaker 2: that and Or's out and everybody's talking about Sager Aar,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys need a motherfucking see ghost Talk. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you like that, you need to see ghost Talk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah you kind of do you should anyway, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect. So today we're talking about a dictator

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Speaker 4: So like the dictator oscars that they don't show on television.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, the Dictator oscars that don't make because

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Speaker 4: They did it like last night we had the Dictator Oscar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the Dictator Oscar for like, yes, set

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Speaker 2: know that Portugal had a dictator at the same time

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Speaker 2: Like he's like a four Hitler run. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Right, and Salazar has a hip injury in like sixty

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Speaker 2: Everybody hates him, Tom Brady, Tom Brady Brady. Antonio Salazar

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Speaker 5: And when he came in, we were like, I don't

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Speaker 2: We've had a couple. Yeah, we've taken our swings. This

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Speaker 2: this motherfucker on a fash scale, Yeah, on the fash scale.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: Antonio de Olivera Salazar was born on April twenty eighth,

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Speaker 4: Were modern Americans?

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, sorry, how we ruined education? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Can we just say that the least surprising piece of

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Speaker 2: Or morons right right right, that it breaks their brains.

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Speaker 2: That it's like atrophying you because you're not thinking about

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Speaker 4: Bad for you.

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Speaker 2: And then it breaks out that he's got like his

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're married, but they have a kid together,

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Speaker 2: I just yeah, oh fuck, so that's not Salasar's parents, right,

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Speaker 2: All the other Portuguese peasants are using eighteen eighties chat GPT,

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Speaker 2: to read now everyone else in their village, most of

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Speaker 2: His mom gets the money to start this business because

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, man, capitalist feudalism.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, that's kind of what's going on here, and

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Speaker 5: It's actually really funny because one of the three dates

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Speaker 5: Means they kicked out their most educated and wealthy members

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll figure this out. You kicked out the banks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot to say about like taking

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Speaker 5: I mean, it is funny how much plague beat the

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Speaker 5: Turns out the pope in France. Yeah, surrounded himself in

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Speaker 4: We do that.

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Speaker 2: I've done that before. It's not the worst thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also check out the movie, the new Paul Verhoven movie,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it is cool, classic Paul Verhoven movie. So,

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Speaker 5: And we've never seen this in the background, right, dictator, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, never before.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, nothing's working for him, except for he sees

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Speaker 4: What happened. What you need, though, is you need that gap.

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Speaker 2: Any Yeah, you just get the beatings. But if it's

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Speaker 5: My brother and I were two years apart, so he

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Speaker 4: But then, like I know, people lay it on my

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Speaker 2: So he is enrolled in a seminary in the north

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Speaker 5: And then and then there's like nine months left that

438
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 5: I guess I'll write all the books.

439
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: Then yeah, I guess I'll be the one who keeps

440
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 2: remembering how to read for this town.

441
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 4: Time to illuminate some more fucking manuscripts. I guess. Great.

442
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 4: I'm not tired of that at all.

443
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 2: So he is, as you state, it's one of those

444
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 2: things where he's technically training to be a priest, but

445
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 2: you don't have to. You're not like locked in and

446
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 2: Salazar he's a good little Catholic boy, and he initially

447
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 2: seems to have adopted this as an ambition for himself

448
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: where he's like, well, yeah, I guess being a priest

449
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: is the thing I'm going to do that's not going

450
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: to last super long, and he's going to stop wanting

451
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: to be a priest. Probably we don't know this perfectly,

452
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: but the likeliest reason why he stops wanting to be

453
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 2: a priest is the normal reason young boys stop wanting

454
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 2: to become priests started and oh he starts fucking right,

455
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 2: he starts fucking you know, he's like, oh, you know what,

456
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: being a priest might suck ass?

457
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 4: Actually, heaven sounds cool, but is busting and not? Is

458
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 4: it is cool? Yeah? Cool? Is getting laid? Absolutely not.

459
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 2: I can give myself heaven whenever I want, right, right, right,

460
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: as long as I'm able to.

461
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have heaven at home.

462
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got heaven at home, or at least in

463
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: my next door neighbor's house. So he meets a girl.

464
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: He actually meets several girls. His first is you know,

465
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: she's sixteen, so is he. And she'll remain Maria di Figurito.

466
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: She'll remain a friend and a political advisor for the

467
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: rest of their lives.

468
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 4: Right.

469
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: This kind of first girl that he hits it off

470
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: with is going to be she'll be influential politically in

471
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: Portugal while he's the ruler, because she'll send him letters

472
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: about like how this is how this is working, so

473
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: this is working, and he'll kind of continue to trust her.

474
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: The second girl he falls for is Philismina the Olivera,

475
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: and she's two years older than him. Right the two

476
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: meet at a railway station and, according to some accounts,

477
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: begin a love affair that is what primarily derail Salazar's

478
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: ambitions of priesthood. There's some dispute in this. Tom Gallagher

479
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: argued that Salazar kind of keeps true to his vows

480
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: for a while and then gives up the seminary later

481
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: for another reason. But there are other arguments that I

482
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: find really credible that it's probably a liaison with this girl,

483
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: even though it takes a while that makes young Antonio realize,

484
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: oh fuck, I'm not going to take a vow of celibacy.

485
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: Peter Booker, who's co founder of the Algarve History Association,

486
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: writes an article about Salazar's alleged romantic history for Portugal Resident,

487
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: and he noted Salazar was studying to be a priest

488
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: at the time and attended the seminary, but that fact

489
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: did not prevent him from beginning a love affair. She

490
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: was a friend of Marta, one of Salazar's sisters, and

491
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: during the young holidays, Phillismina would say at the Salazar

492
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: family home, they exchanged in numeral letters. Philismina began to

493
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: have problems of conscience regarding her relationship with Salazar. She

494
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: was a devout Catholic and did not want him to

495
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: renounce the priesthood because of her Little did she know

496
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: that not only was Salazar already thinking about abandoning his career,

497
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: but he was also about to dump her. And this

498
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: seems plausible, right, It's not just this girl, but it's

499
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: in general. He's starting to get laid and he's like,

500
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: I don't need to stay with this lady. But also

501
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: the priest's clearly not for me because I kind of

502
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: like fooling around, right.

503
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 5: Okay, So we are sort of avoiding the five hundred

504
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 5: pound gorilla in the room, which is that those vows

505
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 5: have never mattered on the Catholic clergy. If you want

506
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: to know how many popes had illegitimate children.

507
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: Oh man, google clearly all of them. Oh you can

508
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 4: get up to pope and still be.

509
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: Fucking oh yeah, oh yes, So the norm is for

510
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: popes to get laid, which is part of the problem, right,

511
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: one of many, but yeah, it's it's uh, that's kind

512
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: of what's happening with him.

513
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: But he's also like.

514
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 5: It's very important to note that this is the church

515
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 5: and this is the steeple, right, open it up and

516
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: fuck all the people.

517
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: Right, That's kind of where Salazar's got to take it,

518
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: except for like, I don't even need the church, I

519
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: don't need the steeple. I've just got to fuck I'm

520
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: the people. I'm just gonna fucking become an economist. So

521
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: he's a bookish Catholic boy, and he like, yeah, he

522
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: starts figuring out, like this is not the future for me.

523
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: So he leaves the seminary. In nineteen oh eight, this

524
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: is a big year for Portugal. It's the same year

525
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: King Carlos and the crown Frince Louis Philippe are assassinated

526
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: while they drive through Lisbon in an open coach. So

527
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: this is like a daring. It's called the Lisbon regi Aside,

528
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: and it's a very famous like moment in the early

529
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: twentieth century, there's a lot going on behind this assassination.

530
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 2: It gets blamed by some people. Tom Gallagher, who's kind

531
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: of a more conservative guy, this biographer whose book I

532
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: read on Salazar, blames it on anarchists. Much as I'd

533
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: like to take credit or anarchists take credit for Killege King.

534
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: That's not really what's happening here. These guys are like

535
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: radical Republicans, right, I don't mean in the modern term,

536
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: I mean like people who support a.

537
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 5: Republican except the right public. Yeah, yeah, like I think

538
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 5: we I mean, I know, we conflate them. But the

539
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 5: difference between Republicans and Democrats and then liberal and conservative, like, yeah,

540
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 5: it all depends on labeling, right.

541
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: And these guys are like radical, like we want to

542
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: be able to vote and fuck having a royal family. Right,

543
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: that's the kind of radicals they are as opposed to,

544
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: like being radical in favor of the abolition of the state,

545
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: which is more of an anarchist thing. That's not really

546
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: what's going on with these guys. There's a lot else

547
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: that's happening behind this region side, right, that kind of

548
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: helps inspire it. The Portuguese government has just conducted negotiations

549
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: with great Britain over the extent of Portugal's African territory,

550
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: and Portugal makes a lot of compromises and how much

551
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: of Africa they're going to continue to hold, and this

552
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: is seen as disastrous by many nationalists, and there's a

553
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: lot of Republican nationalists who are like, well, the crown

554
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: just gave up a lot of our overseas empire. Another

555
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: thing that's going on in the background is that, as

556
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: is often the case with Portugal, they're terrified that Spain

557
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: is going to invade, right, because if you look at

558
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: a map, Spain is a lot of Iberia and Portugal

559
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 2: is pretty small.

560
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: So how did they.

561
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 5: Avoid unification that in the late fourteen hundreds it's Granada, Nevada,

562
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 5: Castile and Aragon. I mean Aragon Castille were obviously the marriage,

563
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 5: but then they sucked in Navarre and Grenada.

564
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 4: Let's go get Portugal, man.

565
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: There's a period of time where they are occupied by Spain, right,

566
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: but there's also like reasons of natural defensiveness, and just

567
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: like the power of a Portuguese state in that period

568
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 2: that Portugal, but the Portugal doesn't you know, wipe up

569
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: obviously unified, but that is constantly a fear going on

570
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: in the background, and it's one of those things. It's

571
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: not really a thing in modern Portuguese politics, I don't think,

572
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: but it's like a huge factor in everybody's thinking right now.

573
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: Is that, like Spain is right next to us, and

574
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: they're much bigger, and they were going and they're goblin

575
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: shit up, and there's this broader fear that like Portugal,

576
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: we used to be great and we're being sidelined by

577
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: greater powers because we've kind of slid into citizens. Right,

578
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: we're old and we're tired, and we don't have the

579
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: juice we used to have, and we're going to get

580
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: eaten up entirely if we're not careful, right, Like, that's

581
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: a major political factor in everything that's going on here anyway.

582
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: You know what else is a major political actor advertising.

583
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: And we're back.

584
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: So the Republican movement is starting to pick up steam

585
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: in Portugal kind of in the period when the king

586
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: is assassinated. Yeah, because the railways there's steam.

587
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: Now.

588
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: The king gets kind of politically active in politics, which

589
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: makes things even more chaotic and inefficient because it's like

590
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: it's not great, he's not good at it. The King's

591
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: not really good at much. And the king who gets

592
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: assassinated has appointed this guy to act as his minister,

593
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: who's widely seen as like a dictatorial figure. And eventually

594
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: two Republicans with rifles decide, like, enough of this bullshit,

595
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: We're going to take matters into our own hands. And yeah,

596
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: these guys are kind of radical Republicans, and one of

597
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: them has some history of anarchist sympathy. He's part of

598
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: an anarcho syndicalist organization in his youth. But they're they're militant,

599
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: like republican activists with rifles. One of them's in the

600
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: art Army, and yeah, they shoot and kill the king

601
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: and his heir, and the Lisbon Regiside becomes kind of

602
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: a seminal moment for right wing politics in Portugal. Salazar,

603
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: who's a young man at this point, he's leaving the

604
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: seminary this year. He's livid when he finds out what's happened.

605
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: Now he is starting to get political. At this point,

606
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: he's been elected the president of his student body association,

607
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: and in the spring of nineteen oh eight, he publishes

608
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: a column attacking his fellow Catholics because it become so

609
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: politically separated from the shocking violence in the capital that like,

610
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: we Catholics need to get more political in order to

611
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: save our country from this sort of radical republican sentiment

612
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: that's going to destroy like force us into anarchy. Salazar's

613
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: thinking here is probably influenced by the writing of a

614
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: far right propagandist from France named Charles Morris, who wrote

615
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 2: for France's most popular proto fascist newspaper, Action Francais. Salazar's

616
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: argument is that democracy cannot maintain order and separation of

617
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: church and state as a calamity for stability in public

618
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: order right, which is very much like taken from Marris's

619
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: the stuff that Mars is writing in France at the time.

620
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: I would like to also add that Action Francis is

621
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: my favorite rapper.

622
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, probably politically different than the original newspaper.

623
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: These are the guys like Action Fransei and Mars are

624
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: gonna have a big role in like the far right

625
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: French coup attempt that's gonna happen kind of right before

626
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: World War Two, Like they're kind of a major inciting

627
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: factor to it. And these are the guys that Salas are.

628
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: So that's part one of the reasons why people are like, oh,

629
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: is this guy fascist? It is like he's definitely very

630
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: influenced by some proto fascist thinkers.

631
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: Could you imagine de gaull Of trying to run France?

632
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, could you imagine? I mean, yeah, in

633
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: the post war period. Share it doesn't go great.

634
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: Could you imagine de Gaulle. Uh, it's we got we

635
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: like that. It's a history pun.

636
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good history pun. It's also just his

637
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: last name.

638
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Hey, I'm gonna go. I'm sorry about that, guys,

639
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to take off.

640
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: It's okay. We can forgive like one French pun. But

641
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: that's all. No more so Salazar. He starts making some

642
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: stabs at politics, right, you know, kind of in this

643
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: post regis side period, but he's not fully committed to it.

644
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: Part of this is that the wind is kind of

645
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: blowing against the right wing, you know, after that king

646
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: gets assassinated, the sort of left is looking like they've

647
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: got the wind behind their sales. So he's like, I

648
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: don't want to take a.

649
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: Big, big move. It's a pretty big move shooting the

650
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: king and his son. Yeah, quite literally a coup.

651
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, try it in your own monarchy triumph.

652
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: You know, a rifle, a couple of small pieces of lead.

653
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: Get you to the game, Yeah, get you right in

654
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: really changes the ground. So he's like, I don't feel

655
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: like this is a safe time to be like a

656
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: far right Catholic activist, So I'm just going to take

657
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: a teaching job and like lecture talking about the economy.

658
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: He graduates from his second area vucation in nineteen ten,

659
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: he opts to leave the church, and you know, one

660
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: of the practical reasons behind this is that the church

661
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: is kind of losing power. So Salazar winds up attending

662
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: the prestigious University of Cuimbra as a law student in

663
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: October of nineteen ten, thanks to the financial support of

664
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: a family that his dad works for. This is like

665
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: the family his dad is, you know, taking care of

666
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: their grounds, and Salazar tutors like the mistress of this

667
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: wealthy family, like he tutors her kids in exchange for

668
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: financial support. So he teaches her kids to be less stupid,

669
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: and they pay for him to go to this fancy college,

670
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: this university, which is going to really change his life.

671
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: It's going to give him an opportunity to become someone

672
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: in politics. And this change in his life where he

673
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: starts going to the school and his options start to

674
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: open up companies. Another dramatic change in Portuguese government, because

675
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: the Republicans revolt and they force the monarchy entirely out

676
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: of the country. Right, they'd killed the king and his heir,

677
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: but you know, you've still got kind of a weak

678
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: monarchy in there. And then there's a revolt a little

679
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: while later, and now Portugal is just a straight up

680
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: republic for a little while.

681
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: Right.

682
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Salazar bides his time as the republic tries to consolidate

683
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: his power, and he works towards an advanced degree. He

684
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: gets into academic tutoring as a side business, and it

685
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: proves to be very lucrative. Like he's teaching a lot

686
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: of kids. He's making good money, and he's investing it,

687
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: and he proves to be very good investing money. Right,

688
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: He's just one of these guys that understands how to

689
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: turn a dollar into a couple of dollars and then

690
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: a couple of more dollars and so on and so forth.

691
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 5: I'm always weirdly jealous of those people. Yeah, Yeah, they're

692
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: just really good at making money.

693
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

694
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: And also I'm just like yeah, but that must be

695
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 5: like a if you care about money, that must be miserable.

696
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and he's not like a super happy person.

697
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like he doesn't have outside of like

698
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: constantly sleeping around and investing his money and writing economic treatises.

699
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: That's pretty much his whole life at this point, and

700
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: being really angry that the Catholic Church isn't more powerful.

701
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Those are his hobbies, right, I mean, some of those

702
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: hobbies are cool.

703
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of those hobbies is cool. One of those

704
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: hobbies is just cool man.

705
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other hobbies kind of lame.

706
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then dudes rock and then sometimes dudes do not rock.

707
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's more on the dudes not rocking side

708
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: of things. But he does accept for a while that like,

709
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: I can't fight democracy right now, and the monarchy's too weak,

710
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: so it's not really worth me fighting for. So he

711
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: kind of pivots and he starts, you know, coming up

712
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: with his own theories about how to reform things. His

713
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: attitude is that the republic is going to fail, and

714
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: so he's trying to figure out like what systems should

715
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: replace it, and he does a lot of reading on

716
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: the encyclicals of Pope Leo the eighth, who had encouraged

717
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Catholic organization and power under a democratic system, right, which

718
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: had Leo the eighth had been like a democracy probably

719
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: here to stay. What we shouldn't fight to have like

720
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: kings under the Catholic Church anymore. We should organize instead

721
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: to legislative power in democratic systems for Catholicism.

722
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: That was like a millennium afterwards, right, like Leo the

723
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 5: eighth that if I recall, he's from like before one thousand,

724
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 5: isn't he?

725
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: There's an anti pope named Pope Leo the eighth who

726
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: was around the one thousands. But this Pope Leo the

727
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: eighth that we're talking about was head of the Catholic

728
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: Church from February eighteen seventy eight until nineteen oh three.

729
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 4: Oh oh, so recent.

730
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: It's complicated. There's another earlier Leo the eighth, you're right,

731
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: who's around nine. Yeah, he's an anti pope from nine

732
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: sixty three to nine sixty five who's election was debated.

733
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 5: Wasn't he the one that was like they were all

734
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 5: excommunicating each other.

735
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was during the anti pope period. But

736
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: there's another Leo the Eighth who's the head of the

737
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: and who's an official pope from like eighteen seventy eight

738
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: to nineteen oh three, right man, yeah.

739
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 4: Pope's right, why would you take that name?

740
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not familiar enough with papistry to give you

741
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: a whole like why he just I had to take

742
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: that kind of cursed name. But he's he's the pope

743
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: who like writes an encyclical being like, we Catholics should

744
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: just find a way to kind of make democracy work

745
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: for Catholicism, right, we should organize and find ways to

746
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: gain power in democracies.

747
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: You know.

748
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: That's kind of like one of the things he writes.

749
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: And this has a really big impact on salas Ar.

750
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: But no, good, good point. This is not that the

751
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: pope from the nine sixties. Okay, that guy was debatably

752
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: not the real pope. I didn't mean to derail the pod,

753
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 2: but I'm just like, wait, I know it's always hard

754
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: with the anti popes, Right, there's a lot of names

755
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: where you're like wait a second, yeah, yeah, no, no.

756
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 4: And I'm sure you guys have talked about it before.

757
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: But just this idea that there was like at one point,

758
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 5: like just a bunch of popees excommunicating and we.

759
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: Could get there again. That's my dream for Catholicism. Yeah,

760
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: fuck it. Are you not happy with the current pope?

761
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: Go to Avignon and have a new pope made, you know,

762
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I do like really fighting. Yeah, a Chicago

763
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: it's nice to have a Chicago Pope, but I think

764
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: we could get a Boston pope and really just have

765
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: a battle of the accents, you.

766
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: Know, one hundred percent honest. We don't have a great

767
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 4: track record.

768
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: We probably shouldn't have a Boston pope.

769
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 5: Cardinals have done some stuff. I mean, to be fair, most,

770
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 5: if not all, cardinals have done some stuff.

771
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

772
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, very few clean cardinals out there, you know what.

773
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 5: I like the idea of a Boston pope though, because, like,

774
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 5: that's the first hope that would be willing to fight

775
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 5: you in a toll booth.

776
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that.

777
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: Let's just give it to Ben Affleck. See if he

778
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: could take.

779
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: It so he can do a bad accent of his

780
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 4: own town.

781
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pope Affleck the first.

782
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 4: Let's let it happen. Yeah, Pope Benedick kid.

783
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Salazar, Who's who's you know? Starting to accept like, okay,

784
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: maybe we should find a way to organize under democracy.

785
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: He joins a school association while he's in college, the

786
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Center for Christian Democracy, which when the Republicans had come

787
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: to power they'd like banned for a couple of years,

788
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: but ultimately allowed to reform in nineteen twelve. And it

789
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: was for this group that Salazar gives his first public speech,

790
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: where he describes himself as a Christian democratic soldier. Two

791
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: years later, he leads a delegation to Lisbon which protests

792
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: an attempt to turn a local church building into a museum.

793
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: His academic career flourishes around this time. He receives awards

794
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: from his liberal and conservative teachers alike because his economic

795
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: papers are, in their eyes, like so brilliant and well

796
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: thought out. And he opens a consulting firm that gives

797
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: out financial and legal advice to companies and whatnot that

798
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: are trying to figure out how to get by. And

799
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: this very chaotic time in which the Portuguese economy is

800
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: not doing well, and he's good enough at this per

801
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: Tom Gallagher quote, he now had enough money to augment

802
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: his wardrobe with elegant clothes. He attended soirees and receptions,

803
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: and his circle of friends widened Catholics and conservatives predominated,

804
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: but not all of them were from such backgrounds. So

805
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: he's making money, he's starting to enter high society. He's

806
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: becoming a known man, and he's becoming a known like

807
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: kind of firebrand right wing intellectual type. Right, he's a

808
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: little bit of like a Jordan Peterson figure, if Jordan

809
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: Peterson had been good at something. And he continues to

810
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: work as a tutor, which seems to still have been

811
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: his kind of bread and butter. He would later claimed

812
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: tutoring did two things for me. It kept me in

813
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: the university and it kept me out of trouble. But

814
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: this is not exactly true, right, he's like sleeping around.

815
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: He is still fucking right, and he's kind of noteworthy

816
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: as a figure in this period. Most of his earliest

817
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: friends are women and girls, including sixteen year old Julia Parastrello,

818
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: who's the daughter of his godmother and the wealthy benefactors

819
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: of his family. Right, so this is the daughter of

820
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: the family that's like paying for him to go to college,

821
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: that like his dad, is employed by he.

822
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: Falls How old is this man? Again?

823
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: Very good point. She is sixteen and he is twenty

824
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: three years old. So that's a bit of an age.

825
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 4: Gap, it is, and that's uncomfortable period for the.

826
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: Era's It's not like it wouldn't have been if he

827
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: had have been from the same social strata as she,

828
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been noticed in the era, right.

829
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

830
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 5: It's kind of one of those things where like you're

831
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: looking back and you're like, you know what, Yeah, that's

832
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: age appropriate for the time.

833
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: It would it wouldn't have been wild like people would

834
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: if he'd been rich. If he'd been rich, it wouldn't

835
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: have been weird. But because he's from a poor background,

836
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: her parents are like absolutely not. And we look at

837
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: the age gap and go like, oh, yeah, that's not inappropriate,

838
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: but they're just being like, well, but his parents aren't rich,

839
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: so this is an inappropriate match, right, that's the only

840
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: real issue they have.

841
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: He's like, don't worry, Yeah, I'll take care of that.

842
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 5: It's sort of like the Doctor Pepper guy named doctor

843
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: Pepper after the dad that said he'd never amount to anything.

844
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: That's that?

845
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: Is that the story of doctor Pepper. I it might

846
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 5: be apocryphal, but I'm pretty sure it's. Doctor Pepper was

847
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: the guy that wouldn't allow a dude to marry the

848
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 5: creator wanted to marry the guy's daughter.

849
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: And he said, no, that sounds accurate as the for

850
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: the official soda of Texas. At that, that sounds like

851
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: the kind of cod man origin story.

852
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: I don't like that. The official soda of Texas is

853
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 4: my favorite soda.

854
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: Oh it is, unfortunately, But let's turn to a more

855
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: comfortable subject than Texas. This twenty three year old hitting

856
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: on a teenager that much better. He decides to hit

857
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: on her in the most appropriate manner for the time,

858
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: which is he writes an article about how hot he

859
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: is for this girl in a Catholic magazine. He had

860
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: contributed to this publication before, but he'd mostly written like

861
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: serious articles about Catholicism and democracy and like scholarly studies

862
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: about like how what the Catholic Church, what role it

863
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: should have in a modern society. And so he kind

864
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: of changes up on his normal publication by writing a

865
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: column that's just titled she, and in it he's describes

866
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: it as like it's kind of written as a fictional piece,

867
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: and he's writing as sort of like an anonymous author

868
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: who's in love with a girl who lives in a

869
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: wealthy manner, but is financially out of his league, and

870
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: it's written in such a way that the subject of

871
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: his affections is anonymized, and he can argue, like, this

872
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: is not a literally true article. It's like I'm I'm writing,

873
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: you know.

874
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: It's like I'm a plagiarizing Lady in the tramp.

875
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's very clear that like, oh, this

876
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: is Salazar writing about a teenager that he's hot for. Right,

877
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 2: that's too that's from a family that's too rich for him.

878
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: And I can't imagine what must have been going through

879
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: his head to make him write this thing, let alone,

880
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: Like his editor is like, well, you mostly write about

881
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: the pope, but yeah, this article about how you you've

882
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: got a crush out a thirteen year old girl sounds great. Man,

883
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: let's uh thought she was sixteen? Wait or sixteen? Sorry, sorry,

884
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: sixteen year old girl. He's like, yeah, why not, let's

885
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: let's publish this fucker.

886
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did.

887
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: I did need to clarify, specifically because I previously had

888
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 5: gone on record and be it saying that wasn't that

889
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 5: bad for the time.

890
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is it's sixteen and twenty three, Okay,

891
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: So I don't I can't get into the head of

892
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: this editor who's like, yeah, this sounds like a good

893
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: article for you to publish, Antonio. And I can't get

894
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: into Antonio, who is like, yeah, this, this will clearly

895
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: work for me, right and unfortunately for him, fortunately probably

896
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: for that girl his the girl like her mom, who's

897
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: again the patron of Salazar's family, she catches onto this

898
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: like she reads this magazine because she is from a rich,

899
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: conservative Catholic family, and she sees, Oh, this tutor we've

900
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: hired to tutor our teenage daughter is writing an article

901
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: about how he's got a crush on a teenage girl

902
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: who lives in a manner and who's much richer than him.

903
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's Antonio, we should probably start watching them, right, Like,

904
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: we should keep an eye on these two. This does

905
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: not sound good.

906
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: That seems pretty chills. Really, hey, should should we paying

907
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: attention to this?

908
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should probably keep an eye on what's happening

909
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: with this kid and our daughter.

910
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: If a Facebook dad saw this, he'd be like, touch

911
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: my family, and they'll be two hits, me hitting you

912
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: and you hitting the ground.

913
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: But they don't have Facebook, so they're their only option

914
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: is to like keep an eye on her homework. So

915
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: they're like paying attention to the homework he's giving her.

916
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: And Antonio gives Julia some suspicious homework, right, He tells

917
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: her to write an essay on love. And so this

918
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: this really gets their their guard up and they're like, okay, yeah,

919
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: he's definitely hitting on our daughter. And then her mom

920
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: cut finds like she's there. They start monitoring Julia's male

921
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: and they find a letter that Salisar sends Julia, which

922
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: is to be blunt, very inappropriate, right, and the paristrella

923
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: is again their primary problem is that he's poor and

924
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: she's rich. And so after they catch this letter, they

925
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: just make sure he's not going to be tutoring her

926
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: anymore and he's never going to get any unobserved access

927
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: to their daughter again. Right, So they lock this down

928
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 2: because she's supposed to marry a rich guy, right, That's

929
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: that's their reasoning.

930
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, no, no no no no no no no

931
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: no no no.

932
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely heard the song. Yeah. Now, one of Salazar's

933
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: mentors in the church, who's like one of these fathers

934
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: who's kind of taking this kid under his wing, finds

935
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: out about this. I think Julia's mom comes to him

936
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: and is like, you need to talk to this boy,

937
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: and so he sits down with Salazar and they have

938
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: like a literal come to Jesus moment where he's basically like, hey,

939
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: you're one of the best minds that are The Catholic

940
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: conservative movement has what the fuck are you doing pining

941
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: over a teenager in the goddamn newspaper? Are you out

942
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: of your mind?

943
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: Right?

944
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Like, this is not smart behavior? And this warning. Salazar

945
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: never stops socializing with women and girls, right. He will

946
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: continue to do that for most of the rest of

947
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: his life, but he is going to get a lot

948
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: more careful about it, and he's going to learn how

949
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: to like hide this in a much better way than

950
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: writing newspaper articles about his crushes. So he takes that warning.

951
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: And you know what else our listeners should take is

952
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: the advice of these products and services.

953
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: Take note of what we're about to say.

954
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, take note, and you give some companies your

955
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: credit card information. It never works out badly, no breaches,

956
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: it's never happened.

957
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: And we're back. Ah.

958
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: So Salazar is kind of establishing himself as an intellectual.

959
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: He's learning how to flirt sometimes even with adults. And

960
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: while this is going on.

961
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, if he had a nickname, can we call him

962
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: the sexual intellectual?

963
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you could call him that. I'm going to

964
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: for the rest of the show.

965
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: You shouldn't, but that's yeah, that's what he's doing, right,

966
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: And the new Republican government of Portugal is kind of

967
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: shitting the bed as he is coming up and becoming

968
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: more prominent and learning how to kind of keep a

969
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: lid on some of his proclivities. And part of why

970
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: the Republican government shits the bed in this period is

971
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: that World War One happens and Portugal does not have

972
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: a dog in that fight, right, they shouldn't have. There

973
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: is no reason. You just look at the map. There's

974
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: no fucking reason for Portugal to get involved in World

975
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 2: War goddamn One.

976
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 4: Like we're gonna go swimming, Yeah, go swimming. You're live

977
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: in Portugal, enjoy the beach. What is wrong with you?

978
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: Don't send soldiers to die in the Western Front, you know.

979
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 4: On some teenager to get wrapped up in barbed wire

980
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: waiting to kill Kaiser. Get out of here. Come on,

981
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: what are you doing? You got a couple of frisbees,

982
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: some sketch balls, you know.

983
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: You have a there's a couple of there's a lot

984
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: of smaller European countries like this that are like, you

985
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: have no you have no reason to get involved, and

986
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: they do and it goes badly for everyone who's like, well,

987
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: maybe if we get involved in World War One, we

988
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: can help tip things and we can get some shit

989
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: in the in the peace negotiations after. And the Republican

990
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: government they largely get involved in World War One because

991
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: they've got all these African colonies and they're worried that

992
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: if there's like a negotiated peace, England might give away

993
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: some of Portugal's African possessions to the Kaiser in exchange

994
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: for like a better peace deal, and so we don't

995
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: really want to risk that. So we'll send some men

996
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: off to die in the Western Front and fighting in Africa,

997
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: and they wind up losing like ten thousand soldiers and

998
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: just pointless battles. Right in World War one terms, they

999
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: get off pretty light, Like, that's not a lot of

1000
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: guys to lose in World War One by the standards.

1001
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: Also, ten thousand people, right.

1002
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: It's still ten thousand people who absolutely didn't need to

1003
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: be involved in that stupid fucking war and it costs

1004
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: a shitload of money. And just the fact that they've

1005
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: gotten involved in this disastrous war and they don't get

1006
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: really shit in the piece. It rattles the new regime's

1007
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: public support. People are like, well, fuck, this Republican government

1008
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: doesn't seem a whole lot better than the one that

1009
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: it replaced, right, pointless wars, wasting money on stupid bullshit?

1010
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: Did we just replace one set of assholes with another

1011
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: set of assholes? And sallazz pretty much mystery politics. Yeah,

1012
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: that's the world, right, It's like, yeah, which set of assholes?

1013
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they suck a little less?

1014
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like I wouldn't mind an asshole

1015
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 5: that's not trying to like destroy the lives of every

1016
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 5: person in the country.

1017
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe we can get a slightly better asshole

1018
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: who's just.

1019
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: Corrupt and incompetent.

1020
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 5: And if we've got to throw some adrinochrome at him

1021
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 5: to keep it, let's do it.

1022
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. Keep the peace, you know.

1023
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: Keep the peace and keep the adrenochrome flowing.

1024
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 4: Sally Man, I got to try that stuff because.

1025
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: It sounds it's good, it's great. You got to get

1026
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: it from the brain of somebody who's had it really harvested,

1027
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: you know before that.

1028
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't want like the fake no no, no,

1029
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 5: true blood adrenochrome.

1030
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: No, no, you want you want the really good ship.

1031
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 4: From the source, directly from the source. That's right, that's right.

1032
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 4: This episode brought to you by ass.

1033
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, use a promo code.

1034
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 4: Uh uh.

1035
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not going to make a Jeffrey Epstein joke here.

1036
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: What I am going to say is that Antonio Salazar,

1037
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: in this period when people are starting to get angry

1038
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: at the Republic, he becomes a very popular lecturer. And

1039
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: he's also he's working as an economics professor right now,

1040
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: so he's lecturing about how fucked up the system is,

1041
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: how the right and the conservative Catholics need to come

1042
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: into power, and he's also writing studies on like wheat

1043
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: reform and the role of gold and finance, and he's

1044
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: repeatedly arguing Portugal's government is spending too much money, which

1045
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: it is. Like he's not wrong about his fundamental economic conclusions,

1046
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: and his economic work is widely applauded. And in July

1047
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighteen, he appears on the Color of Catholic

1048
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: illustrated as an up and coming thinker. Yeah, the swimsuit edition.

1049
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: He's naked, he's got one of those you know, Italian

1050
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: banana hammic.

1051
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 4: Tasteful. Yeah, it's very tasteful, right, but you know they're

1052
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 4: like Portugal. You know, he's right there on the water,

1053
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: like it's natural. Yeah, yeah, the lighting's perfect. So by

1054
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: this point a new group of anti government rebels is ascendant.

1055
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: They're called the integralists, and these are members of the

1056
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 4: wealthier classes who had sought a break from the republic

1057
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 4: and returned to a more authoritarian government, if not a monarchy,

1058
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: you know. So they're like, we.

1059
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: Probably can't go all the way back to the way

1060
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: things used to be, but we could. We should have

1061
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: a system where the rabble have less power, where like

1062
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: regular people have less ability to like influence the government.

1063
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: And a lot of folks in Portugal, especially in like

1064
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: the middle class and upper middle class, are more sympathetic

1065
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: to these aims because in the aftermath of the war,

1066
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: Portugal is in chaos. The new government is running up

1067
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: tremendous debts, and even though they're on the winning side

1068
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: of the war, they're not spared the unrest that hits

1069
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: in places like Germany, there's an open civil war in

1070
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: the north of the country and a monarchist coup in

1071
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen that gets suppressed, and in that same year

1072
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: as there's this civil war in this coup, four different

1073
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: governments come and go and Lisbon right, this is like

1074
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: a parliamentary system where if the government can't form a coalition,

1075
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: it gets dissolved, and so there's just constant turnover in chaos.

1076
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: I like the idea that they attempted a coup in

1077
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 4: nineteen nineteen. It's like, which, where'd you get that idea? Guys?

1078
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, no one else was doing coups in nineteen

1079
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: nineteen Creative Portugal.

1080
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: Wow, i'ly going for it. Yeah.

1081
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: So the same year that that's all going on, nineteen nineteen,

1082
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: Salazar gets suspended from his job for spreading monarchist propaganda,

1083
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: although he argues in court that he's not political, he

1084
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: has only involvement in politics as voting, and he publishes

1085
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: an article defending himself widely in which he argues, I

1086
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 2: am convinced that politics alone can never solve the great

1087
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 2: problems that demand solution, and that it is a grave

1088
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: mistake to expect everything from their evolution or from an

1089
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: arbitrary departure from their normal course. I'm sure that the

1090
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: solution is to be found more in each one of

1091
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: us than in the political color of a ministry. So

1092
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: far as I can, I try to make my students

1093
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: men men in the best sense of the word, and

1094
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: good Portuguese of the type which Portugal needs to make

1095
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 2: her great.

1096
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: Right now, let me tell you about this girl I love. Yeah.

1097
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: Now, let me tell you about this teenager that I

1098
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: got the huts for.

1099
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now.

1100
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: The reality is that Salazar is very political, right He

1101
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: gets his PhD after the war ends, and he is

1102
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: actively as a teacher trying to cultivate this new generation

1103
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: of conservative activists. He helps found the Catholic Center Party

1104
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: and in nineteen twenty one he's one of three of

1105
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 2: their members to be elected to the Parliament. He actually

1106
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: only gets to go to work at the Parliament for

1107
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: two days, and he hates it, right because there's these

1108
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: all these constant debates over what to do, and he

1109
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: can't just tell people, this is what you're going to

1110
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: do to fix the economy, this is what we're going

1111
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: to do to get things on the right course. He

1112
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: gets really angry, and he's like, I don't want to

1113
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: do this fucking job. Even though he gets elected to

1114
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: several important financial committees, but he starts whining to his

1115
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: mentors and the Catholic clergy and the university that he

1116
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: doesn't want to do this job a campaigned to get

1117
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: it's too hard, he's stuck.

1118
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 4: In the mud.

1119
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: And his mentors are like, but you're in power. You

1120
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: have a chance to put your theory into practice, and

1121
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: they accuse him of not taking the work seriously.

1122
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 5: I would like to add that this is the most

1123
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 5: relatable man we have ever covered on this show, right right.

1124
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: And just the terms like, yeah, it sucks to be

1125
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: in politics.

1126
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a guy that wanted a job. And then

1127
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 4: he's immediately like I immediately regret wanting this job. My god,

1128
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: what have this job you wanted? Yeah? And I fucking

1129
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: hate it.

1130
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrible. And he gets really lucky that in October,

1131
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: like he only ever does like two days actually doing

1132
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: this job in parliament, and in October the Conservative government

1133
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: and coalition collapses because left wing militants assassinate the Prime

1134
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: Minister and a number of their other con served with

1135
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: political enemies. So he's like, well, I guess I'm not

1136
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: going to continue trying to be in the government seems dangerous.

1137
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm going to go back to being a teacher.

1138
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: And all this violence, which isn't limited to the assassinations

1139
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: or to the left, there's just a lot of political violence,

1140
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: largely in Lisbon. And you know, it's happening as they're

1141
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: going through multiple governments every single year. There's all this conflict.

1142
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: The economy is in the shitter, the currency is worth nothing,

1143
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: the republic is obviously weak, and people are tired of

1144
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: just this constant turnover of nothing working. And as they're

1145
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 2: continuing to be exhausted, in nineteen twenty two, they watch

1146
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: fascism come to Italy and they also watch this right

1147
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: wing military dictatorship takeover in Spain under Primo di Rivera

1148
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: the following year, and they're like, well, maybe, you know,

1149
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: maybe it's not exactly Italian fascism, maybe it's not exactly

1150
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: what the Spanish you're doing, but some sort of like

1151
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: authoritarian right wing regime. Maybe that'll fix all of our problems, right,

1152
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: that's always yeah, that historically fixes probably, Yeah, historically seems

1153
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: like the right idea.

1154
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, nascism, primavera or whatever the hell is.

1155
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: Yah, primo di rivera, Yeah, we'll take it. So by

1156
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: this point the right is a scendant across Portugal. Young

1157
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: military officers who had been radicalized during the war link

1158
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: up with youth organizations, a lot of which had been

1159
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: inspired by Marris's movement in France and the writing of

1160
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: guys like Salazar. Right, he's not like leading directly, but

1161
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: he has been the intellectual father of a lot of

1162
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: these kind of right wing youth organizations, and you know

1163
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: they are starting to gain power, even at the same

1164
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: time as he can barely keep himself together, Like he

1165
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: is scared by number one. It's dangerous to be a

1166
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: public conservative intellectual in this period, dangerous to be anyone

1167
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: who's public and political in this period.

1168
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 4: And he's intellectual in any period.

1169
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: Right, it's never super safe, and he is. He's kind

1170
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: of crippled by panic attacks and psychosomatic illnesses, right, Like,

1171
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 2: he can't really keep himself together, even though his side

1172
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: of things seems to be doing well. He runs for

1173
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: office in nineteen twenty five, and he does does not

1174
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: do a great job of it, right, His heart really

1175
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: isn't in it. And then in May of nineteen twenty six,

1176
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: without Salazar's help, the Republican government falls to a military

1177
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: coup by these right wing military officers. Now by this point,

1178
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: the economy is in the shitter completely, which is a

1179
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: big part of why the coup succeeds. Like the old

1180
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: government hadn't been keeping things together and they don't have

1181
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: much support. The generals who'd overthrown the Republican government know

1182
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: they can't just sit back and hope for things to

1183
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: get better. Right, They had like the military might to

1184
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: take over, but they don't know how to run an economy, right.

1185
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: They're generals and they're Portuguese general so they barely know

1186
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: how to run a military, right, And I'm going to.

1187
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: Quote what a win?

1188
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: Then you know, yeah, it's not hard to take over

1189
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: from the guys without guns, right, Yea.

1190
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 4: I guess I guess that's right.

1191
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 5: But it's just very funny that they're like, look, they're

1192
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 5: bad at pretty much everything.

1193
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know how to know, yeah, how bad

1194
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: the previous guys were previous, and so they're going to

1195
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 2: be like, we need someone to help us figure out

1196
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: how to actually fix things. Otherwise we're just going to

1197
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: get overthrown in short succession. I'm going to quote from

1198
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: an article in the New York Times by Aldin Whitman. Here,

1199
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: the victorious generals asked Salazar, then reputed to be an

1200
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: economic wizard, to take over the Ministry of Finance. He

1201
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: demanded a free hand to execute his reforms, and this

1202
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: being refused, he went back to teaching. And this is

1203
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: what's so interesting to me about Salazar is he's he's

1204
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: not in a lot of ways like a guy like Hitler,

1205
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: like a guy like Mussolini. He obviously he's interested in power,

1206
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: or he wouldn't have gotten into politics at all or

1207
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 2: entertained the idea, but it's not his primary motivating force

1208
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: in life. He actually does have a plan B, and

1209
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: he would have been somewhat content just continuing to be

1210
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: an intellectual. So, like, taking power, being a dictator is

1211
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: an option for him, but it's not his only option,

1212
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: and it's not the one he's putting most of his

1213
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: effort and time into.

1214
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 5: Right up in that he's just playing hard to get. Yeah,

1215
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 5: he's like buying a car right right, and he's like

1216
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 5: this is what I want and like, well, we can't

1217
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 5: do that. He's like well, and I'm gonna walk away.

1218
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that I'll walk away. You can move some numbers

1219
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 4: around here.

1220
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that that's kind of what happens here, right,

1221
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: is that he shows that, like, I'm not obsessed with

1222
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: taking this position unless I can really get a free

1223
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: hand in things, and the generals are desperate enough that

1224
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: like eventually they agree to do that, I'm gonna quit.

1225
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: You learned this from all the fucking right, Yes, this

1226
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 2: is the hard Gues's what taught him how to how

1227
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: to win the dictatorship of Portugal.

1228
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 5: There it is, you show too much interest, you say,

1229
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 5: you write an essay about it, that's not going to

1230
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 5: go great.

1231
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: You've got to nag the military dictatorship in order to

1232
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: be appointed the dictator, right, That's how it always works.

1233
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd you know, I would be your dictator if you,

1234
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 4: if you know, wore makeup.

1235
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: Or somethyeah, if you wore if you dress up a

1236
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: little bit. Come on, how many medals have you guys

1237
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: even won here?

1238
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: Even shaving our country's legs anymore? Yeah?

1239
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: Like, what's going on Portugal military? Yeah, get some better

1240
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: cannons or something. So I'm going to quote from Whitman's

1241
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: article again here. Two years later, General Antonio Oscar de

1242
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: Fragosa Carmona engineered his election as President of Portugal, and

1243
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: he promptly puts Salazar in charge of the nation's per strings.

1244
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: By cutting public spending and by judicious taxation, Salazar succeeded

1245
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: within a year in balancing the budget for the first

1246
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: time since nineteen ten. Shortly too, he liquidated the foreign

1247
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: debt and lifted the escudo, the monetary unit, to a

1248
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: premium on foreign exchanges. Yeah, that's the end of the story.

1249
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 4: He's a great man. He gets his.

1250
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: Free hand in managing the economy, and he's really good

1251
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: at it.

1252
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: Right.

1253
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: He manages to do what his predecessors could never do.

1254
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: He balances the budget and he takes the escudo had

1255
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: been like a laughing stock in European finance for years,

1256
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: and he restores stability in a way that just hadn't

1257
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: existed for a long time. His popularity grows and it

1258
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: becomes very clear to the military that Salazar is indispensable

1259
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: in politics. Right, like, we have the guns, but we

1260
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: don't know how to manage an economy. We're certainly not

1261
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: any better at it than the people that we deposed.

1262
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: They have the plans, but we have the power, right, yeah,

1263
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 4: you just like yeah, just like in The Simpsons.

1264
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty two, Salazar becomes the President of the

1265
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: Council of Ministries, which effectively puts him in charge of

1266
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: the country. Right, So he's kind of like because he's

1267
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: so good at this. These generals, all they know how

1268
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: to do is, you know, control the guys with guns.

1269
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: But Salazar knows how to make the economy stable, which

1270
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: allows him to keep the wealthy and the powerful on

1271
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: his side and keep the people from rioting too much.

1272
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: And so he just keeps demanding more and more power,

1273
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: and the military is like, I guess, yeah, you can

1274
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: have it, right, I guess you can have some more.

1275
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: I guess you could have some more, yeah, exactly, And

1276
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: kind of, bit by bit he winds up the absolute

1277
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: dictator of Portugal, and he's like starts to sideline the

1278
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: military and kick guys out who are threats to his power.

1279
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: As he gains more and everyone's too scared of him

1280
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: because they can't keep the economy going on their own right,

1281
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: which is such a different way from these other fascists.

1282
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: He's not brought to power by a populist uprising. He

1283
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: doesn't like win mass votes in an election. He's not

1284
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: like Mussolini or like Hitler. He keeps showing results in

1285
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: the economy and demanding more control in the military. Is like, well,

1286
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: no one else has had to steer this thing, right,

1287
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: so I guess sure. I found a write up in

1288
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: the textbook Portuguese Studies by Paul Santos and Luciano de LaRue,

1289
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: and it describes what happens next. Within four short years,

1290
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: Salazar had so enhanced his prestige and developed his political

1291
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: power that he was nominated Prime Minister. The army had

1292
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: no desire to govern and no plan for government anyway,

1293
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: so they handed power back to civilians, whom they regarded

1294
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: as trustworthy enough to protect their honor and keep this

1295
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: position secure. Therefore, while the military had brought Salazar to power,

1296
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: the regime that he molded, the Estado Novo after the

1297
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: return to barracks, was very largely civilian. And the Estado

1298
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: Novo is proclaimed in nineteen thirty three. It means new

1299
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: state right, so Salazar he's kind of officially in full

1300
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: power in thirty three, the same year that Hitler rises

1301
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: to power and he says, like we've got a new state, right,

1302
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: and there's a new deal almost for portis enter government.

1303
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 4: That's where FDR got it. That's where FDR took it from.

1304
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: You should see FDR.

1305
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, or FDR should Yeah. So sala is Our cribs

1306
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: a lot from Hitler, and you know, which is part

1307
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: of why he gets keeps. Yeah, but he just it's

1308
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: just sort of the aesthetics, right, Like you can see

1309
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: he sees that like, okay, there's some value in some

1310
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: of these fascist aesthetics. But that's not how he gains power, right.

1311
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: He doesn't take power the way that Hitler does. He

1312
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: kind of like almost infects the coup that took power

1313
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: and then like takes over it. He's like one of

1314
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: those bugs that gets inside a wasp's brain if the

1315
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: wasp is the.

1316
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 4: Poetry military like a zombie buger.

1317
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: Right right, That's how he does it, which is very

1318
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: different from the other fascists.

1319
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 5: It kind of seems like he's just using the Hitler

1320
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 5: stuff as like flourishes.

1321
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like, oh I could dress it up a little.

1322
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: This is working right now, this is the new hotness. Sure, yeah,

1323
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: up a little bit. Yeah, let's put it sprinkle a

1324
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: little bit of Hitler around the edges. Yeah, you're a

1325
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: little Hitler in there. Yeah, a little bit of Hitler

1326
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: in there for some spice, just a dash of Hitler. Yeah,

1327
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: and he uses he's going to he has a secret

1328
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: police state, as we'll talk about, and he's going to

1329
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: use force and violence, and he's going to crib from

1330
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: the Nazis very directly in several ways as to how

1331
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: his secret police works. But he doesn't have a cult

1332
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: of personality like Hitler does. And he's actually kind of

1333
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: he has some respect for Hitler in the early period,

1334
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: but he's also like he's looking at all these weird

1335
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: esoteric aspects of Hitler's fascism, like his beliefs and race scigens,

1336
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: and he's like, this guy is just kind of weird.

1337
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1338
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 5: I'll also add that, like, not calling attention to it

1339
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 5: is a pretty good way to have a forty year

1340
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 5: reign instead of shoot yourself in a bunker rain right exactly.

1341
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: Salazar doesn't want to be a shoot himself in the

1342
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: bunker guy.

1343
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 4: No, man, he's spoiling the frog in the slow way.

1344
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about him, and the smartest thing

1345
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: about him is he understands there's a limit to how

1346
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: much power you should seek. Salazar is never going to

1347
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: be a what if I tried to take all of

1348
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: Europe guy? He's like, I'm content with Portugal, you know,

1349
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: and all of her African properties, which are much larger

1350
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: than Portugal, right but as well as we'll talk about

1351
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: that's a big deal.

1352
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 4: But he's not.

1353
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: He's never going to be a gamble too much to

1354
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: keep power sort of guy. He's smarter than that. He's

1355
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: probably the smartest of these kind of right wing dictators

1356
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: in Europe in this.

1357
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 4: Power that some of those Hitler Germans are going to

1358
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 4: be learning Portuguese, if you know what I.

1359
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: Mean, They sure are. Salazar is a diet in the

1360
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: wool corporatist. His charter for the Estado Nova, which is

1361
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 2: approved by plebiscite in nineteen thirty three, which is ostensibly

1362
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: a public vote but is not really a free one.

1363
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: This new state is described in the plebiscite as a

1364
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: unitary and corporative state. Only one party is allowed in

1365
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: the Assembly, and the premier, who's appointed by the president,

1366
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: is unaccountable. Salazar is the premier in the early days

1367
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: as well as the finance minister, and over the years

1368
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: he's going to serve as foreign Minister and Minister of

1369
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: War and Minister of the colonies. Kind of whenever he

1370
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: wants to assert direct control, he'll just have himself made

1371
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: the minister of that thing. Right, But he's always the dictator, right,

1372
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: He's always kind of the guy where the buck stops.

1373
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: And one of the first big things he cracks down

1374
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: on once the Estado Novo is declared the law of

1375
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: the land is women's rights. Salah's our rights that because

1376
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: women are so key to the structure of the family,

1377
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be voting as a general rule. Now, because

1378
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: he's this guy, he's got a lot of close female

1379
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: friends who he takes very seriously. He's not completely against

1380
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: women having the vote, so he's letting he wants rich

1381
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: women to be able to vote. If you've got university education,

1382
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: then you can vote as a woman, which you don't

1383
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: necessarily need as a man, even though nobody's vote really

1384
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: matters all that much, right, And his argument is that like, yeah,

1385
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 2: a few women have the rights to vote, but most

1386
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: women should be forced to maintain a sort of femininity

1387
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: that he argues as conducive to the Catholic norms of

1388
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: family life.

1389
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: Now this is where he's yeah, twenty twenty five.

1390
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's modern in that way, right, And like all

1391
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: of these modern guys we have who say the same shit,

1392
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't follow any of these rules in his normal wife.

1393
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: He never marries, and he never has kids, and he

1394
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: maintains this carousel of powerful women as lovers and advisers.

1395
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: He's willing to make exceptions for women that he personally respects,

1396
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: but he's not willing to live like the idolized Portuguese citizen,

1397
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: nor does he want to have a family of his own.

1398
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 4: Catherine the great energy coming off of him, very much so, right.

1399
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: Per an article on Portugal dot com, financial abuse against

1400
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: women was institutionalized. The law allowed husbands to prohibit wives

1401
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: from working outside the home. Women were not allowed to

1402
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: access certain professions diplomacy, the military, etc. And certain professions

1403
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: like nursing had limited rights, such as the right to marry.

1404
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: A wife needed the consent of her husband to travel

1405
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: to another country. Contraceptives were only allowed for health reasons,

1406
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: and even so the husband would need to give consent.

1407
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: Abortion was illegal in all cases, with a prison sentence

1408
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: of up to eight years, and so he cracks down

1409
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: on women's rights, and alongside this comes to crackdown in

1410
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: the right to dissent in any way that might force

1411
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: a change in the Estado Novo. Salazar never tries. This

1412
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: is not a totalitarian state in the same way that

1413
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: is attempted in like Germany. But this is very likely.

1414
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: The fact that he's not trying for complete control is

1415
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: not that he doesn't want it or is a better guy.

1416
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: It's that he's smarter. He knows that, like, you know,

1417
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: if you grasp too tightly, shit slides through your fingers.

1418
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 4: Right. You know, we all know our Star Wars, Right,

1419
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 4: we all know Prince Organa talking to ramof Tarkin on the.

1420
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah Star and he's like, yeah, there's that's not really

1421
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: worth investing in. Right, There's an amount of force that

1422
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: is worthwhile to deploy against the people to stop things

1423
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: from getting too far along. But there's an amount of

1424
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: force that is going to like be dangerous to me

1425
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: and will drive up like support for any kind of

1426
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: like rebellious movement, and I'm not going to play into that.

1427
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: So the new constitution makes place for a new secret

1428
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: police force, the PVDE, which in English stands for the

1429
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: State Surveillance and Defense Police, and the PVDE is going

1430
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: to go under a couple of different names over the

1431
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: course of the Estado Novo. We're going to call them

1432
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: the PVDE right now for the sake of going forward,

1433
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: and to be fair. He didn't start Portugal having a

1434
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: secret police This is always the case with these things.

1435
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: This starts in the Republic. The Republic began having a

1436
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: secret police force, and under the Republic, this secret police

1437
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: force starts maintaining a prison called the al Ube in Lisbon.

1438
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to quote from an article in the newspaper

1439
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: Portugal Resident here. The building is close to the cathedral

1440
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: in the center of Lisbon and has a long history

1441
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: of imprisonment, firstly until eighteen twenty for those condemned by

1442
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: the ecclesiastical courts, and for the next hundred years for

1443
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: women convicted of common crimes. The word alube comes from

1444
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: the Arabic and means either a well or cistern, and

1445
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: by extension a dungeon. So starting in nineteen twenty eight,

1446
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: the military dictatorship began building a network of informants through

1447
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: the PBDE and started the practice of sending them to

1448
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: al ude to be tortured. Salazar turns up to speed

1449
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: on this process, and under his new state, creative new

1450
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: torture methods are introduced.

1451
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 4: Hell man, it's called innovation.

1452
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: It's called innovate. We're gonna beat people and we're gonna

1453
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 2: sleep deprive them. But we're also going to introduce something

1454
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: new called the statue, which is where a prisoner is

1455
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: forced to stand with his arms extended without moving for

1456
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,479
Speaker 2: hours or even days at a time.

1457
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 4: And if you wait for.

1458
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,919
Speaker 5: Better tell you though, that's really great for your shoulders.

1459
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, incredible shoulder extras. What you're doing is instead

1460
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 5: of building bulk, you're actually building a more tight, striated muscle.

1461
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 4: It's really really good if you're like a fighter.

1462
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 2: Now, the downside of this is you get beaten senseless

1463
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: by the guards if you move your arms at all,

1464
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 2: which is not so good for building up good straight coaching.

1465
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 4: Okay, it's called coaching.

1466
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: It's called coaching, trying to make you stronger. I'm like,

1467
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: that's not to me that I'm like, yeah, that sounds

1468
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: a pretty standard dah.

1469
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1470
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: That's what brings the regime down is they make too

1471
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: many great boxers.

1472
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, too many powerful tight course.

1473
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the name of the game in this new

1474
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: state is maintaining a sense of quiet, respectability, and not

1475
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: freaking out the regular citizenry too much. Right, this is

1476
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: while torturing anyone who's like too much of a communist

1477
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: or a Republican activist, so that you're still kind of

1478
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: it's not an accountability would be the wrong term. But

1479
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: Salazar is scared of being too publicly brutal, and in fact,

1480
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: once the neighborhood complains about the constant screaming coming from

1481
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 2: the Alude prison, the PVDE moves their torture operations to

1482
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: a more secluded environment. So there's like a we're not

1483
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: going to be better, but we will be quieter because again,

1484
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: we don't want to we don't want to be too

1485
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: over the line here, otherwise that's going to like spark

1486
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: the kind of rebellion we don't want to deal with.

1487
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 4: I like that. It's just like a noise complaint.

1488
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a noise complaint. You gotta be quieter

1489
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: with the torture guys, and you keep the suffering down

1490
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, you're freaking out the neighbors, and

1491
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: some of them have real money, like they're taxpayers, right,

1492
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: we don't want to make them uncomfortable. So the new

1493
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: state has begun at this point by like the mid thirties,

1494
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: and for the next four decades, Antonio Salazar will rule

1495
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: Portugal with an iron fist, and we'll talk about what

1496
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: he does in power in part two. But first, Jeff,

1497
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: we're going to talk ab about where the audience can

1498
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: find you on the internet. Oh God, that's where I live,

1499
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 2: that's where you do, That's where we all live.

1500
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 5: I do a lot of stuff and it's really fun

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Speaker 5: and it's all very different, So you're welcome to check

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Speaker 5: out any or all of these things. First and foremost,

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Speaker 5: I have a show called Jeff Has Cool Friends, where

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Speaker 5: I interview just people that I think are in my

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Speaker 5: life that I find very interesting. Sometimes they are famous celebrities,

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Speaker 5: and sometimes there are people that went to high school with.

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Speaker 5: But I just it's really fun. It's a really fun

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Speaker 5: way to sort of learn more about people and.

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Speaker 4: Stuff like that. I do that show.

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Speaker 5: I also do a show called Nerd on that same

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Speaker 5: network as well, the Jeff Has Cool Friends sort of brand.

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Speaker 5: That's with my friend Dre Alvarez, and I also do

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Speaker 5: a monthly show called the Monthly Flow with Andrea Gazette.

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Speaker 4: You can get those.

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Speaker 5: All early uncensored bonus stuff at Patreon, dot com, slash

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Speaker 5: Jeff May you can get nerd and Jeff has cool Friends.

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Speaker 4: For free everywhere else later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do Tom and Jeff watch Batman with our

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Speaker 5: friend Tom Ryman on Gamefully Unemployed. I do lots of

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Speaker 5: great shows with Adam Todd Brown on that you don't

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Speaker 5: even like podcast network. I also open cards on camera

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Speaker 5: and I send them to people on the at Jeff

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Speaker 5: has Cool Cards Network and you can actually get cards

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Speaker 5: in the mail like a care package from me over

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Speaker 5: on the Patreon. So lots of really cool stuff and

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Speaker 5: you can find me at Hey there jeffro two on

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Speaker 5: Instagram because they booted my last one because they accused

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Speaker 5: me of selling sex, which I did not do.

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Speaker 4: No, I do not have the confidence to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike Antonio salasar Oh, he didn't have to sell it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, he was giving that shit away.

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Speaker 4: And if if you're in Burbank or the southern California area,

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Speaker 4: I do a great comedy show the second Friday of

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Speaker 4: every month at Last from the Past on Magnolia and

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Speaker 4: it is called Mint on card. It's a comedy in

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Speaker 4: a toy store.

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Speaker 2: Comedy in a toy store. Well, everybody check out Jeff,

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Speaker 2: find him on the old Internet, and find us on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: which is like two days from now, talking about the

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Speaker 2: rest of Antonio Salazar's life.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's it fine see.

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