1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. We are back with the 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: number one Mets Up Podcast recurring guest Matt Eddie of 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Baseball America. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: We're here to talk about Mets prospects. 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of them, not just on the 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: pitching side, but also on the hitting side during spring 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: training at camp right now, and there's a lot to 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: talk about. First and foremost, though, Matt, thank you for 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: joining us. How you been what's going on? 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? Thanks for having me. Guys. We got a little 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: delayed this year, but it's always fun to talk Mets prospects. 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 4: It is, and spring training is always such a great 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 4: time to get for a lot of fans the first 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 4: up close look a lot of these prospects. We're seeing 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 4: regular playing time from Carson Bench as he competes for 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 4: the right field job. We're seeing ha ewing, jonah Ton 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 4: keeps adapting. Jack Wendinger, is there anything that's caught your 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: eye from any of the top prospects so far this 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 4: spring that's maybe made you a touch more excited or 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 4: even maybe a touch more anxious or doubtful about just 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: any guy that you've noticed anything changing. 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that Ewing home run the other day was notable. 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: That was it got some distance. The guy has shown 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 3: power in the past. He kind of de emphasized it 26 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: a little bit last year, but it's there and it 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: might re emerge. Wenninger, you guys have talked a lot 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: about him. He's a really fun development story. I'm rooting 29 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: for him. He's fascinating. 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: What makes Wendinger fascinating? I know that we play in 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: a couple of dynasty leagues and you love Wendinger. I 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 4: think Mark and I really fall in love with Wendinger 33 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 4: as well. What about his development has been fascinating and 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: where where do you see? Is just like future in 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: the metrotation. 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 3: His development is fascinating because he's like a seventh round 37 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: pick out of Illinois. He was known for his splitter 38 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: coming out of college. But he with a pitcher who's 39 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: like change up or splitter oriented. You kind of have 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: to take Class A results with a grain of salt 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 3: because those hitters tend not to see such outstanding pitch 42 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: types of those variety. So I think his fastball development, 43 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: his mound presence, his command, his ability to adapt and expand, 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: his repertoire, are all extremely notable, and I see him 45 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: number four floor potentially for more. If the splitter plays 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: as well against major league gitters, there's some. 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: Sign there be's've had a bunch of really exciting prospects 48 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: so far that we've seen throughout camp. We do have 49 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: to talk about some of the bigger ones, though, I 50 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: know we're going to get into the guys a little 51 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: bit lower down this list, but Carson Bench is someone 52 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people, not just Mets 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: fans but in general, are very excited about. And me 54 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: and James keep kind of having this conversation about what 55 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: we can realistically expect from Carson Bench maybe this year, 56 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: and what gets everybody excited about him moving forward. Maybe 57 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: you can help the people at home understand what the 58 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: hype is with benj. 59 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does everything well. I think that's the most 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: discinct way to say it. Will he have a plus 61 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: batting tool that is to be determined, but he definitely 62 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: has average to above potential and hit and power. I 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 3: think one of the most informative comps that I've heard 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: is a Josh Reddick style of player where he does 65 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: everything well. It's for average good back to ball it's 66 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: for power plays a good right field throw as well, 67 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: and Reddick as a pitching background as well, just like 68 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: Bench does. 69 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: It's it's kind of rare sometimes to see a prospect 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: like Bench rise as much as he has without like 71 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: you mentioned, like the true true carrying tool like Bench, 72 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: even the one hundred percent of outcome is never probably 73 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: going to be a for the home or bad. I 74 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: don't think he'll ever win a batting title up, I 75 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 4: guess in terms of one hundred percent of outcomes, that's 76 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: like the closest thing. I don't think he'll ever win 77 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: a goal glove at the premium position. It's just he'll 78 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: never steal like forty bags. But like there's just something 79 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: Everything is is good, everything is well. Do you seek 80 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: that kind of giving him even like any kind of 81 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: thing close to an All Star ceiling, if it could 82 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: ever get there, or is it just kind of more 83 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: of this is going to be a cog in the 84 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: machine rather than ever someone who's can be a starch 85 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: because of how level all of those tools are at 86 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: the top. 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say All Star is a possibility. You know, 88 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: I allowed first half and each team meaning a representative. 89 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: You know, it could it could work in his favor. 90 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the Mets are trending in a 91 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: way that they won't have to have like a soul 92 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: token representative. 93 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's you could see like a three 95 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: or four month segment of his career that's all strowworthy. 96 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: When looking at Mets prospects, there's a lot of things 97 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: that are similar about these guys. 98 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that's different. 99 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: One common thing that keeps happening, especially with the guys 100 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: at the top, is the Mets are looking at these 101 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: two way players and then are just making them focus 102 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: on one of those sides. Is that something that you've seen, 103 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: not just from the Mets but around the league is 104 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: something that seems more and more I don't want to 105 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: say like interesting, but more enticing for these organizations to 106 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: look for. 107 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: Definitely, it's something I'm really training myself to keep an 108 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: eye on. We saw the rise of Peyton Tole last 109 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: year with the Red Sox. We saw Kate Horton have 110 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: a Rookie of the Year caliber season. You know, Paul 111 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: Schemes obviously has a two way background. McLain is an 112 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: outstanding example. So to me, I think there's definitely something 113 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: to it, and I think organizations are keying in on 114 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: this as well. 115 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: How has the system grown in the last few years 116 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: as the Mets have began to really modernize their player development, scouting, 117 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 4: just kind of all their internal processes. Are we seeing 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: year over year improvement of the farm system? And do 119 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: you see the system even right now being better than 120 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: it was a year ago, despite the fact that we're 121 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: about to have some pretty serious graduations and we traded 122 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 4: from a lot of the depth and recently kind of 123 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: the top tier of it. 124 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, the system is at peak level right now. I 125 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: think it's we'd have to go back to twenty fourteen 126 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: in that time period to find one comparable, and before 127 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: that probably, I don't want to say it the generation 128 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: k the Paul Wilson Peringhausen Pulso for group. Yeah. I 129 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: think the key to the Mets building up the system 130 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: has been identifying the arms that they can cultivate in 131 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: the minor leagues and really getting the most out of 132 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: them as they progress. We touched on Wenninger. He's a 133 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: classic example. McLean is probably the best example you could 134 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: possibly ever find of such a project. But that has 135 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: given them a stable of potential major league arms and 136 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: some we've already seen as well as trade chips. 137 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: I want to read off them as twenty fourteen prospect 138 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: list just because I think it's a fun exercise right now. 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: So number one, Noahs Cindergard, Number two, Travis Darnot, Number three, 140 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: Rafael Montero, Dominic Smith, Wilmer Flores, a very young i'med 141 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: Rosario in twenty fourteen, eighteen years old, Brandon Nimo, Kevin Pilweki, 142 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: one of my favorites at the time, saysar Puelo, Caviccacchini, 143 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 4: Dylson Herrera, Steven Mattz. Number fourteen, Jacob de Gram. That's 144 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: number nineteen, Areas Familia. This actually was the list of 145 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: a lot of converted major leaguers but pretty solid careers. 146 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: That's a great comp Yeah. I remember getting hearing buzz 147 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: on Familia and to Grom when they were in a 148 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: Sally League. It's like scouts are saying, we don't know 149 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: if these guys are legit, but they have great arms. 150 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny you think about too, just like 151 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: how the prospect evaluation game works, where like and me 152 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: and James are learning this too, where each league you 153 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: look at different things, you look at different traits. You 154 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: know that age is important to level, and level is 155 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: important to how what your performance looks like. And even now, 156 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: the difference of like going from Double A to Triple 157 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: A and how you get. 158 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: The major league ball. 159 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the baseball can change how you evaluate these guys. 160 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Mets have a crop of other pitchers now kind of 161 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: in the mid teens late teens on Baseball America's prospect list. 162 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: Which one of these do you think could be like 163 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: the next like winninger or tong type range where we're 164 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: talking like Santucci, Thornton, Will Watson. 165 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like all three quite a bit. Thornton 166 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: to me is perhaps the most undersold, just because his 167 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: fastball velocity and ability to miss bats has come on 168 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: extremely well, like he was. I think his strike got 169 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: right rose like ten percentage points here over year, and 170 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: he's got this. He's more deception in command than he 171 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: is like outstanding stuff. But you know that plays with 172 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: left handers. I think he's kind of a deeper sleeper name. 173 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: You know, Watson is off spot standing in Santucci more 174 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: traditional power oriented pictures with a reliance on like two 175 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: pitch types, right now that probably need to expand a 176 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: little bit to be more of lockdown starters. 177 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: Even thinking about Thornton and Watson, like these are also 178 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: guys that you mentioned Wenneger, These are not really the 179 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: types of prospects they're supposed to convert always to being 180 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: even major league caliber starters. As all is that Thorton 181 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: came from Grand Canyon University. It's a fifth round page 182 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: Mess gave him a three hundred and fifty thousand dollars bonus, 183 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: which that's again that doesn't really convert. What makes the 184 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: Mets so good recently in developing these pitching prospects and 185 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 4: giving them an actual chance to become these impact major 186 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: league level arms. 187 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Thornton was a Kansas prep and two years of 188 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 3: junior college in Kansas, and then he was teammates of 189 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: Jacob Wilson. I grantee. What makes them so good. They're 190 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: really good at coaxing velocity out of these arms that 191 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: they can find, especially the college pitchers that they really 192 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: think they can work with. They were able to get 193 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: the velocity games without sacrificing command and getting the pitch 194 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: types that work for each the way that each pitcher throws. 195 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: They've really shown them to be quite adept at that. 196 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: Out of those three guys, as we likely get graduations 197 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 4: this year, of course from Nolan McLain, also potentially probably 198 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: from Joanah Tong, who you foresees the next Mets now 199 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: possibly even wedding if you take Wenning grad this out 200 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: of that trio you just mentioned before, who do you 201 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: see this time next year? Is the mets number one 202 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 4: pitching prospect? 203 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: I like Santucci. I think there there is. The command 204 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: games that he made last year were outstanding. The Mets 205 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: say that they just told him just, you know, throw 206 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: it down the middle and let your let your pitches act, 207 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: because they're good enough to work in that. In that manner, 208 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: he has a little bit of projection remaining because he 209 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: did have a position player background. I think he was 210 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: two way a duke as a freshman before before pitching 211 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: only he reminds me a little bit of like a 212 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: young Patrick Corbin in terms of fastball and dominant slider 213 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: pitcher left hander. 214 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: Is there a change up that's coming there for Santucci? 215 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 4: I know he had wanted duke. I know he hasn't 216 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: had he hasn't shown the same quality or even just 217 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: willingness to throw it so far in the systems. That's 218 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: just them as being like, we want, like you said, 219 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: to get that fastball and slider at such a dominant level, 220 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: and then when the third pitch comes, when you need it, 221 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 4: we'll just let it come. 222 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: Then. 223 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't from what I understand, they don't really 224 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: force the pitch types on pitchers. They want it to 225 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: be more organic, where the pitcher comes to realize, you know, 226 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: I need I need something else here to go to 227 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: the next level. 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Fox one Streaming. 251 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 4: Now can't wait for the World Baseball Classic. 252 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk about another former two way guy, first round 253 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: pick last year for the Mets, Mitch Voit. 254 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: He's a name that I've been hearing a lot about. 255 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: It seems like he's getting. 256 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: Some real helium right now, especially because the Mets are 257 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: trying him at shortstop and apparently he's been hitting the 258 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: ball harder. 259 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on a prospect Mitch Voight. 260 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, really interesting guy. You can see some of the 261 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: same things that might have drawn them to benj trying 262 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 3: them to Void. You have the two way background once again, 263 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: and just the ability to do everything at a major 264 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: league level average to above potentially. I think that's very appealing. 265 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: The versatility of Voight is also appealing. I don't think 266 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: you can rule out second third or short for him. 267 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: I think potentially outfield as necessary could be in his future. 268 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I think the all around nature 269 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: of his game good, good wheels. I think there's a 270 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: lot of different things to like. 271 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: Got another question Matt too, Like you're talking a lot 272 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: about these Mets prospects and there is a common theme 273 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: too with just well rounded players. Is that something that 274 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,119 Speaker 1: a lot of organizations in baseball do? Is this Mets specific? 275 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes when we're talking about prospects, when 276 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: we look at orgs, some teams will go for mega 277 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: high seed guys and they'll just hope that you throw 278 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: it out of the wall, something sticks, get a couple 279 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: of hits here and there are the Mets playing is 280 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: safer game? 281 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: Is this something that we see often with organizations. 282 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: It might be a function of their draft position and 283 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: draft pool as much as anything, because they're picking nineteen 284 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 3: to twenty eight, and I think there is the range 285 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: for Benjin boy, you know, so you know you do 286 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: have some chances that upside there, but all of those 287 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: upside players come with major flaws when you get to 288 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: that part of the board. 289 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 4: Does that mean maybe there's some kind of adjustment the 290 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: Mets are making in the international market two years in 291 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: a row now more so than basically the whole decade before. 292 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 4: We've seen the Mets make a very high investment, specifically 293 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 4: the top of the market, starting with Ellie on Pana 294 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: now recently Wandy Asanyan. I think that's how you pronounce 295 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: his name asenen. Is there a motivation for this team 296 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: because they're probably not able to get as Air quotes 297 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: high potential of a college or high school player to 298 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: push themselves to try and take more swings in the 299 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 4: international market. 300 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's absolutely it, because 301 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: you see that a lot of the premium up the 302 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: middle players do come from that in America. And Anya 303 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: and a senior. I haven't actually heard that pronounced by him, 304 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: that's officially yet. 305 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: Sixteen sous my Spanish three from college to try and 306 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: get that one, so. 307 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: I didn't know that he had then in his name, 308 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: which sounds like what you're pronouncing. I think those guys 309 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: are two very good, high upside plays by the organization 310 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: with a chance to stay on the infield and hit. 311 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: And I think you know this, this is the organization 312 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: that you know ten years ago produced on adversario Francisco Alvarez, 313 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: Ronnie Mauricio and Andre Semenez can't forget him in rapid succession. 314 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: And since then it's been a quiet decade for the 315 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: international side of the Mets development. 316 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: So with that, we've now talked kind of a lot 317 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: about the next tier of players here likely getting graduations 318 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: this year from what's going to be the top three 319 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 4: in the system or top two at least one year 320 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 4: from now spring training twenty to twenty seven. Who do 321 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: you foresees being the mets number one overall prospect in 322 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: the system. 323 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: No candidate with great confidence would I nominate here. But 324 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: players like Alion Pana and Mitch Boyites are the more 325 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: traditional types who you would see dirrect number one, you know, 326 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 3: up the middle profiles with batting upside. 327 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of exciting too, because I feel 328 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: like Elia and Payana, like obviously there was the crazy 329 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: hype when ever your favorite team signs an international prospect 330 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: for the money that they did, and then I feel 331 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: like it kind of cooled off a little bit and 332 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: now we're seeing a getting He's inside the top ten 333 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: for Baseball America's prospects for the Mets going into the season. 334 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: Is it just the upside? 335 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: Is it just that he seems like someone who could 336 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: absolutely mash at the major league level, hopefully one day 337 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: in like six years from now. 338 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all about the Batmanpania. He's already 339 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: physically mature and not the type of player to see 340 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: at shortstop in the major leagues. But if the bat develops, 341 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: then in third base will be absolutely fine. 342 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: Developing pitchers has kind of become synonymous with the Mets recently, 343 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: with the last few years, everyone talks about the pitching 344 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 4: lab our. Friend of the Show, Lance Prastowski has deemed 345 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: the Mets pitching development right now the best in Major 346 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: League Baseball. But at the same time, we have seen 347 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: big gains from the Hithers, like we've alluded to over 348 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: the last few minutes, like we've talked about Aja Ewing 349 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 4: finding more power last year. We're huge years for both 350 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: Ryan Clifford than Jacob Rimer, very big bat first prospects 351 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 4: or Inside Baseball America's Mets top ten. What are the 352 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: Mets doing to possibly help these Hithers and is this 353 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: something that seems like it's transferable might continue to happen 354 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 4: Similar to how we view Mets pitching development. 355 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, in discussions with the Orbits player development, they really 356 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: like to focus on finding what a player does best 357 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: and really emphasizing that. Really, you know, you might say 358 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: that they're helping them develop the best selves. You know. 359 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: Ewing last year made it a focal point to kind 360 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: of level his swing and focus more on back the 361 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: ball and angles, and it yielded a three hundred average 362 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: four hundred on base like seventy steals. So he got 363 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: the most he possibly could out of that approach. And 364 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: as if spring fanning is any indication we might see 365 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: a little more return to power as he develops, which 366 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of scouts believe like you 367 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: can hit or you can't, and that the players who 368 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: are hit first can add power as they mature. I 369 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: think that's fair to assume will be the case. With viewing. 370 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: I like seeing two towards the bottom of this prospect 371 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: list on Baseball America. You've got Ryan Lamberry, You've got 372 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Dylan Ross on there, two guys who we expect probably 373 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: at some point to be at the major league roster 374 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. 375 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: What's the process. 376 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: Of evaluating a relief pitcher prospect versus like the standard 377 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: starting pitcher. 378 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: I wish I had the secret on that one. That 379 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: is that it you know, the stuff plays against minor 380 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: league that's a good indication for someone like Fine Lambert. 381 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: I think it's the workload, you know, working being capable 382 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: of working two out of three days for six months 383 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: at a time. It's so difficult to assess that because 384 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 3: relievers never do that in the minor leagues. They never 385 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 3: do it in college. It's just it's the great unknown 386 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: with projecting relievers forward. 387 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: Is there something more to developing relievers as relievers or 388 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 4: over time, because again this is just off of the 389 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 4: gut feeling, is they're possibly more success of just taking 390 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 4: the quadruple A star they're and turning them into the 391 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 4: reliever when they're twenty five or twenty six and they 392 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 4: already have more of that workload callous built up in general, 393 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: but not the two out of three days pitching situation. 394 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: Traditionally that has been the case. I think teams are 395 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: finding more success with pure relievers out of college now 396 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: than they were previously. I think like even ten years ago, 397 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 3: you would find like probably nine out of ten closers 398 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: were former starters. I don't know if that's true anymore, 399 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: but yeah, I think, And you can look at the 400 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: past Mets examples Joey's familia. Yeah, burned out as a 401 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: starter on Triple A, became an All Star closer. 402 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: Eddie Kuons, he's like the one Mets example. I remember 403 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: the last time he developed. 404 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: Drafts. 405 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that name like living Renfree in my 406 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: head as a kid, being like, I can't wait to 407 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: see Eddie Kuons get to the major league level. And 408 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I think he got what like six or seven pitches. 409 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: I think that was pretty much it. 410 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: And Joe Smith career one good year with the Mets 411 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: for sure, two thousand and six. 412 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: Joe Smith was good, who was fun? Guardian is one 413 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: of those trades, I'll find it. The Mets this offseason 414 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 4: also promoted a lot of a handful of the minor 415 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 4: league coaches to come up to the major league staff 416 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: as they had the exodus there, namely Dan McKinny, who's 417 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 4: going to be the assistant pitching coach with the team, 418 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 4: and Gilbert Gometz. I think he's gonna be the outfield 419 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: coach and first base coach if I'm not mistaken. What's 420 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: the the level of trust that these players, especially coming up, 421 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: have with the team. And is this kind of a 422 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: subtle shift that the Mets are making internally to try 423 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: and continue to make these prospects feel more comfortable and 424 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: build this team developmentally rather than the more free agent 425 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 4: mercenary team we're even seeing this year and over the 426 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 4: last few years of the Steve Cohen era. 427 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's a great point about the familiarity because every 428 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: prominent Mets pitching prospect worked with McKinnie a double land 429 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: last year, with the exception of sprot sprote was a 430 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: triple A. 431 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: And he's gone, yeah. 432 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's a great point that that continuity of 433 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: instruction of personality. Let that is a great point. And 434 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: we saw the Mets had four twenty twenty four draftees 435 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: pitch in the Binghamton rotation. But a year later that's 436 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 3: that's outstanding and and and the team won the Eastern League, 437 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: so it was obviously a successful team playing for playing 438 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: playing leverage games. 439 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 4: We've heard those guys talk about how much they loved 440 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 4: being on that Binghamton team, like we've heard winninger talk 441 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: about it. We've heard talk talk about it two years ago, 442 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 4: two guys not insist anymore. Jet william and Drew Gilbert 443 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: talked about it. How important is it to this to 444 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 4: a team like the Mets to build those relationships teams 445 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 4: that really hasn't had They had a good developmental success 446 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 4: over the last few years, but it's been more sporadic 447 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 4: than consistent, especially compared to the top tier teams. Having 448 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: these guys kind of get this familiarity of these comfortability 449 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: with each other. How important is that to building culture, 450 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: which maybe that's something that Mets have struggled with of late. 451 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another great point. I think the Mets really 452 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: value that continuity and that winning and just those vibes 453 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: of having a successful minor league operation. They say they do. 454 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: I mean every organization probably says the same thing. Yeah, 455 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: some of the evidence that were that you're making note 456 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: of suggested it might be true. 457 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned about how the twenty twenty four class had 458 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys last year reached Binghamton. The twenty 459 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: twenty five class already has a couple guys on the 460 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: top thirty prospect lists on Baseball America, specifically cam To 461 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: Loman and Peter Cuso. There's also a couple other pictures 462 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: that the Mets took in the first ten rounds of 463 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Peyton Prescott and Nathan Hall and Cam Tilly. Of like 464 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five draft class pictures, Loman and Cuso 465 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: being the highest rate of ones, like what makes you 466 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: guys excited about them as prospects? 467 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: Well with the high school pictures, it's it's all about 468 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: the projection in the upside. And this is a new 469 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: approach for the Mets, who had not went overslot to 470 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: sign on high school pictures since twenty nineteen. Josh Wolf, 471 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 3: Matt Howen. 472 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, so I hear we're traded for the 473 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: next Francisco Lido. 474 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 4: All I heard was put poor Matt Allen there, which 475 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: he was part of this. 476 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 3: But I have to know that it's a completely different 477 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: regime in every way since that twenty nineteen group. Yeah, 478 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: the oldest, so it'll be Cuso and Loman. In other words, 479 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: it's kind of new territory for this organization to develop 480 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: this type of player. 481 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: Do we think that's maybe because finally after a few 482 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: years of just slamming college arms in the draft and 483 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 4: we've made tons of jokes about that that in these 484 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: last like basically three drafts, the Mets would take a 485 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 4: college arm every pick from like three to twelve and 486 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: just fill the depth of the system they've never had. 487 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: Is that kind of an indication or a signal to 488 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 4: us that they maybe finally feel confident in this pipeline 489 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 4: churning that now it's like, Okay, we can take a 490 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: lot of time and we can develop these more high 491 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 4: upside guys because now the system's full of four through sevens. 492 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think that's a big part of it. 493 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: I think the other the other part is just the 494 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: function of the Met's bonus pool being the second lowest 495 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: last year. So the way to get the upside is 496 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: to buy out some high school players. And they just 497 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: happened to choose these pitchers and two white players. Yeah yeah, 498 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: like there's an anthony for both, for both. Say, I 499 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: don't know how it's pronounced, but he's a two way 500 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: high schooler from the New York area. 501 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: Really, I think I was he Rutgers? Was that where 502 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: he came from? 503 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 3: He's from He's from Lakeland High Okay, I think he was. 504 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, shortstop right, like a player with short step size. Nice, 505 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: it's a fun one. 506 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: I see a new name on there that I think 507 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: probably a lot of Mets fans aren't familiar with it all. 508 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: On the hitting side, Randy Guzman cracking the top twenty outfield, 509 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: first base, got up to Saint Lucie last year, small sample, 510 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: but absolutely mashed. Is there some some real upside with 511 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: a guy like Randy Guzman. 512 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, if he keeps sitting like he did in the 513 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 3: FCL and FSL late last year he was in revelatory batspeed, power, 514 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 3: power production, There's there's some interesting carrying ability there if 515 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: if he hits, continues to hit, because he makes pretty 516 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 3: good contact for a power hitter and can play a position. 517 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: He's really limited to first base, corner, ackfield, so sils 518 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 3: will be the roadblocks, but potentially the power power potential 519 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: is there. 520 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 4: There's two other bats that. 521 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: That's one to mention. He's the younger brother of Ronald 522 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: Guzman formerly who he is really baseman. 523 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, I bet that's Like one of my first 524 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: interviews ever that I gave was to Ronsmond. 525 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: And I believe he's tried or he's trying to be 526 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 3: a left handed pitcher. 527 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: With the Yankees. 528 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: He tried for like a year or two and he 529 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: was thrown like ninety eight apparently from them. 530 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 4: If we had best to be Dad on Ronald Guzman, 531 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 4: I would have left to have seen that at the time. 532 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: Two other hitting prospects outside the top ten, just outside 533 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: your guys top ten on Baseball America, Eli Soerano and 534 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 4: Chris Suero felt like they rose a lot last year, 535 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 4: kind of spurned by some more defensive value. In versatility, 536 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 4: we've seen Serrano at center field and some live VPS, 537 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: intersquad intersquad scrimmages and spring training, and Suero seemingly handling 538 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 4: the outfield having the athleticism to be possibly an impact defender. 539 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: There are those players that you see possibly getting to 540 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: that fifty future value level, looking like they could be 541 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 4: first division regulars at the MLB level. 542 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 3: Potentially best case, but yeah, I think they are. They're 543 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: representative of the depth the Mets have in their system now, 544 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: which has been lacking like they have. I think Suero 545 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: being a catcher slash first base slash left field, Serrano 546 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: being a you know, good hit, good power, personal off fielder. 547 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: Those guys would be top ten for a lot of organizations, 548 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: but with the Mets, they are pretty clearly in their 549 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 3: second tier prospects future major league contributors. 550 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: How nice is it now, Matt, that we get to 551 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: talk about this Mets farm system and talk about like 552 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: guys like at the fifteen twenty twenty five range and 553 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: we're starting to like have some real stuff on them. 554 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: When again, we were joking about how I think the 555 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one off season was or twenty twenty two 556 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: off season was the first time that we had you 557 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: on and just reading some of the prospect names that 558 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: were even in the top ten of these Mets lists, 559 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: like just guys, like where'd they go? What happened to them? 560 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: Like again, unfortunately for Matt Allen, we know what happened there. 561 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: But even like a Khalil Leela yo ld As, Calvin Ziegler, 562 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: those are the. 563 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: Guys we used to get excited about. 564 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: Now it's it's a whole different crop of prospects in 565 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: the Mets system. 566 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it when you read those names. I 567 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: think if we did that last. 568 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 4: Year too, But well, that's a big question, and I 569 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: kind of want to talk a bit about just where 570 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 4: this team's at this year. And you're fantom for the Mets, 571 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: but Joanatong all the eyes are still kind of on him. 572 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: I think some fans, because of the small sample we've 573 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: seen last year and lack of effect in this is spring, 574 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 4: are significantly lower on them than I think most prognostic 575 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 4: he there is people in the prospect world are, but 576 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 4: it is clear that there are roadblocks that are stopping 577 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: him from being an impact major league starter at this 578 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 4: exact second. How does he get to the next level? 579 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 4: And is kind of realistic to assume that he can 580 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: impact the major league teams a starting pitcher in twenty 581 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 4: twenty six. 582 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys have talked extensively about his The repertoire 583 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: needs to expand you know, just being foreseen change up 584 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: is a tough road for a right handed starter in 585 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: the major leagues. You know, whether that's a cutter curveball 586 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 3: has has shown promise in the past. I think the 587 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: overall command also, it was an issue because he appeared 588 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: to struggle to really command his fastball in the major 589 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: leagues last year. He wasn't getting the same level of chase. 590 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 3: I think pitchers or batters were a little more comfortable 591 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: laying off that pitch than minor leaguers were, So I 592 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: think finding somebody to mix it up or locate the 593 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: pitch better. Would would be helpful. 594 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the Mets just in general, because 595 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: we know you're a Mets fan, and we got to 596 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: we got to talk about how you're feeling about twenty 597 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: twenty six. So many changes to this team, to the roster. 598 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: I know you've been listening to us, so you've heard 599 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: our opinions, but now we got to hear yours. How 600 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: are you feeling about the team. 601 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think changing out the core was it 602 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: was time. That group had been together for seven years 603 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: and produced two playoff teams. I think that hurts nothing 604 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 3: against the nothing against the players. They're all they're all 605 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: good players, good to great players. But it just I 606 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: just think it was time for a change. I think 607 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: they identified a lot of players with present value and 608 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: pretty good chances of continuing to be contributors. 609 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 4: We've talked a little bit off air privately at how 610 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: this last few years of the Mets changing their system 611 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: processes that David Stearns era improving this player development and 612 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: then being a little bit more like especially to happen 613 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: this offseason cutthroat about major league talent. Has someone reinvigorated 614 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: your fandom and your passion for this team, Like just 615 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 4: general confidence level hanging in twenty twenty six, how much 616 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: higher is it than what this Mets team was doing 617 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: even say five years ago during Steve Cohen's first season 618 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: with the club. 619 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 3: Definitely higher than then. But last year was a low 620 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: point for sure for the organization. So I mean, in somebody, 621 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: there's only one way to go, and that's up. But yeah, 622 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: the thing that I appreciate about the Stearns front office 623 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: is the strategy and the discipline, which were things that 624 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: were sorely lacking in my opinion from past from office regimes. 625 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's definitely nice. 626 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: It's cool to see that it feels like adults are 627 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: in the room and making the right decisions, which is 628 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: something that computers I think, Yeah, computers, I think a 629 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: lot of the time in our in mine and James 630 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: lifetime especially, just not a lot of adults. 631 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: In the room making the decisions. 632 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: Or even just humans in the room. That was the 633 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: famous thing about the Wolfpun analytics staff. There were like 634 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: three people on them. Yeah, and now it seems like 635 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: there's three people doing probably the most minute tasks that 636 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: us on this side of the room could ever even imagine. 637 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: My last question I'll ask is that we've seen the 638 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: Mets invest a ton into the prospects, not just in 639 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: the you know, coaches that are developing them and the 640 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: people that are developing them, but also in like their 641 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: housing facilities and how they take care of these guys. 642 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: Attrition. 643 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, nutrition, is this something that you think has also 644 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: made an impact on why the Mets farm system has 645 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: become loaded in the season where they trade away so 646 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: many guys too from their farm system. 647 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. I think all of these various training apparatuses, 648 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: approaches and voices I think are helpful. And then as 649 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: you know, that nutrition in housing and so pretty fundamental. Yeah. 650 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 4: When we had Bryan Lamberllain just after the twenty twenty 651 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: four draft, he was like, it's so sick here. He 652 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 4: was like, it was like like a twenty two year 653 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 4: old kid being like, Yeah, this house is sweet. You 654 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: get to hang out with the boys, We get great 655 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 4: food every day, and then we just lift and play ball. 656 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 4: Like it's it's funny to hear Mets prospects talk about that. 657 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 4: I'm sure it's even funny for you to see the 658 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 4: fact that the Mets have like true forty man roster 659 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 4: crunches now like they have to trade from the top 660 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 4: tier of prospects, they have to make sure there's room 661 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 4: in the Triple A staff to let these guys continue 662 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: to develop. 663 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: It's just it's a. 664 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 4: Revelation that it's come here. It's it's fun to do 665 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 4: this for five straight years with you and see the 666 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 4: different levels of excitement out there in the system, the 667 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 4: depth of it. But Matt, thank you again. One of 668 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: our favorite interviews we do one or two times a year. 669 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 4: Tell everybody just where to find you when all the 670 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 4: exciting things happening at Baseball America over the next few weeks, 671 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 4: or things that don't even just come out with the 672 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 4: Mets Top thirty prospect list. 673 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah you could find me Matt Eddie BA on Twitter 674 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: and Blue Sky and yeah we're ramping up for Spring 675 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: breakout games and World Baseball Classic and all the minor 676 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: league madness to come. 677 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: Can't wait, guys, that's mad Eddie, that's the Mets of podcast. 678 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, thank you for watching. 679 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: You check out all of Matt stuff in the in 680 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: the description down below, and we will catch you on 681 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: the next episode. 682 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Beace out let's go. 683 00:32:17,080 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 5: Mets do at atten