WEBVTT - #415 Packers Unscripted: Wrapping up 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:20.599 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.520 I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West Hodkoits. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.480 We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.920 Field West. This will be our final show for a while. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.800 The Packers offseason program has wrapped up. In fact, it's 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.600 wrapping up today as we are taping this show. The 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.880 team is on a team building activity after two days 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.239 of mini camp practices. We will have some photos and 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.440 potentially some video of that team activity on Packers dot 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.320 com later on, so be sure to check that out. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.159 But with the offseason program wrapping up, training camp is 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.600 roughly six weeks away. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.000 counting down the days yet, but I think it's I 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.080 think it's six weeks away. Matt la Flour kind of 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.160 wrap things up with his final comments to the media 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.560 after Wednesday's practice, and I wrote a story about this 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.520 on the website, kind of characterizing it as he's pleased 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.560 with how the off season program is gone, but like 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:20.080 any coach, he's not satisfied. Um implementing a new offensive 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.720 system and everything that goes into that. You're not going 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.880 to get everything done that you need to in one 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.000 offseason program with the limitations you have with the c 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.360 B A and all that. But he's fired up, in 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.760 eager and ready to get these guys back for training camp. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.560 They neither break, so do the coaches. But but there's 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.319 gonna be a lot of excitement here when training camp 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.200 rolls around. Yeah, absolutely, Mike, and I really liked this 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.959 last day of practice and availability. Just hearing some of 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.440 the guys and obviously also Matt Lafleur discussing sort of 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.560 their impressions of that nine week ten week program with 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.840 the extra week this year, with the new coach and 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.880 where they are coming out of it. I think everyone 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.720 was pretty much in agreement. And you touched on it 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.600 as all the fact that the defense is ahead of 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.840 the offense at this point. I certainly saw it in 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.160 the two minute drills. Yeah, she has definitely had some 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.320 good performances there. But to be quite honest with you, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.520 I really liked what Brian Balagas said standing by his 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.640 locker on Wednesday, saying that, yeah, there's a little bit 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.640 of talking. You know, there'll be some time for the 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.200 offense to come back. But to be quite honest, with you. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.639 He was actually kind of pleased to see the defense 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.960 playing as well as it is right now and coming 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.959 together the way it is, because, Yeah, the offense wants 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.880 to win these drills, there's no doubt about it. And 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.320 if they can win every single one of them in 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.760 training camp, they'll have smiles on their faces. But the 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.040 fact that the defense has appeared to have taken a 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.200 step forward this offseason with some of the new additions, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.440 with some of the young players taking the next step, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.320 and also Mike Petton just having an extra offseason to 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.720 implement his program, whereas Matt Lafleur's in his first offseason 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.959 trying to get his offense. And this is that's why 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.239 Mike Petton came back. It's why they made the decisions 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.560 they did to put themselves in this spot. That being said, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.000 the Packers offense knows it has work to do. Matt 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.040 Lafleur said, it wasn't as crisp as he wanted to 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.560 wants it to be, but they're gonna have a chance 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.400 now coming back in training camp when they start to 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.200 put some pads on to really get going on this thing. Yeah, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.240 I think when you hear Matt la Fleur say things 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.440 like the defense is ahead of the offense, there's a 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.359 little bit of sloppiness, and some things we need to 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.880 clean up look a little crisper, as he said, not 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.640 surprising observations at all given the circumstances here. And I 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.480 think you know, as you and I have talked to 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.160 a lot of defensive players around the locker room, they 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.639 were all saying, yeah, like last year at this time, 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.240 we were just trying to make sure we're lined up 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.840 in the right place and we know what to do, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.520 and we're processing a lot more of the details of 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.360 Mike Petton scheme now in year two, while the offense 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.680 now is where the defense was a year ago and 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.720 they're piecing things together. Training camp obviously will be huge, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.520 and part of training camp two is going to be 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.680 to Matt Lafleur confirmed there will be two joint practices 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.840 here in Green Bay with the Houston Texans leading up 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.680 to the preseason openers. So those two joint practices will 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.200 be between Family Night and the opening preseason game. That's 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.640 going to be an interesting atmosphere, not only from the 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.200 standpoint of the competition amongst the players, and when you 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.680 have the Packers offense working against the Texans defense and 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.680 vice versa. But that could be a big evaluation tool 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.120 as well, because then the practice film includes stuff against 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.640 an actual opponent, not just stuff against your own team. Absolutely, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.279 and I want to ask you this now, two thousand 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.040 nine was the last was that the last time they 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.279 actually brought in another opponent? Was that when they played 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.680 or they went against Buffalo before Okay? There wasn't a 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.440 Family Night one in there too, No, well, buff Buffalo 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.159 was the was part of Family Night. Yeah, so that 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.839 would have preceded you in your time here. That was 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.800 that was the year before I got here. I actually 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.240 remember taking my kids to that Family Night with the 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.360 Buffalo Bills at LAMB before Okay, because what my question 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.480 was going to be, as someone asked us an insider inbox, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.680 and it got me thinking, like they wouldn't all be 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.640 on Ray niche Gy. I'm guessing they're either going to 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.240 have to use Clark Hankel as well, and the Don 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.560 Hudson or maybe the Hudson Center have some people in 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.480 the Hudson because you have a hundred and eight players 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.919 you and I see it, Mike, when you have ninety 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.080 on there, when you have ninety on Ray Nitchkey for 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.880 training camp that that's a pretty cluttered field to begin with, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.719 so um that the logistics of it, I'm gonna be 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.440 fascinated to watch. But as Matt Lafleur said, and he 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.080 said it going back to when we're when I was 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.920 talking with him at the NFL Owners meetings, this is 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.560 a really unique opportunity and he's seen it before. He's 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.520 been involved with teams that bring in opponents, um that 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.480 that take on other guy, you know, teams in practice. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.000 There's just a different level that guys get to when 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.800 it isn't a friendly face so to speaks. Yeah, and 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.960 the phrase he used I thought was interesting. He called 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.400 it competitive spirit. And there definitely is another notch to 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.840 the level of competition. It's still not a game, it's 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.119 still not even to the level of a preseason game, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.880 per se, but it's still different than lining up in 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.720 a practice across from your teammate. It's gonna be fun too, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.240 because then, you know, training camp preseason can get kind 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.679 of monotonous, just sort of the same sort of routine 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.080 every year. I remember some off seasons I got excited 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.880 when I saw, oh cool, there's gonna be some night 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.280 practices something to mix it up a little bit. The 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.000 fact that you're going to have this thing going on 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.560 against the Texans in the first preseason game, the fact 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.200 that Winnipeg is going to be around the corner right 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.839 after that, it's gonna be a lot different. And Matt 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.039 la Floor also mentioned in that same thing that they're 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.200 still exploring the options of potentially having more night practices 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.520 considering they will open up against the Chicago Bears. All 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.000 those things are on the table, but I think more 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.719 than anything, the fact of being able to start to 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.400 condition this football team for what it's going to expect offense, defense, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.920 and special teams. This process, the offseason program is important. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.560 It's getting the installs in, It's making sure guys know 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.880 what's going to be asked of them once training hamp 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.160 camp hits. You're trying to hit the ground running. You've 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.440 got to make every single one of those practices count. 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Just 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.000 visit your local supermarket and ask for Campbell's Chunky Sup 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.440 Official SUP partner of the Green Bay Packers, Okay West. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.920 When we come back in a few weeks for training camp, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.680 we're gonna be talking about a lot of position battles, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.960 a lot of roster spot battles and whatnot. One I 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.480 want to touch on here before we sign off for 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.720 a while is that the wide receiver position. I think 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:40.200 this is going to be extremely interesting because, and again, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.800 as we've talked about all along, you take everything in 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.400 O T A S with a little bit of a 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.360 grain of salt, because nobody's put on pads. Everybody's just 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.160 in shorts and helmets. But based on what we've seen, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.200 I think there's a couple of things we can fairly 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.119 confidently say heading into training camp. One, the number two 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.360 job is shaping up as behind Davante Adams. I'm saying 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.720 is shaping up as a potentially very interesting competition between 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.560 Geronimo Allison and Marquez Valdez Scandling based on the reps 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.560 that we saw, the way they were being divvied up 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.880 during O t S and mini camp. But the other 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.960 thing is after that, it's not just about the draft 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.080 picks from last year, and I'm talking about e q 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.880 st Brown and Jamond More. Eyes will certainly be on them, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.400 no question about it, But Trevor Davis and Jake Kumero, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:28.960 they made a little bit of a statement here over 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.480 the last few weeks in terms of where they are 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.079 in the mix at this receiver position and in this competition. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.520 Um and boy, I'm really really interested to see just 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.920 how this shakes out through the month of August. Yeah, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.520 that statement is worth still here. And they aren't just 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.240 here to make a roster spot there to make a 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.880 run at playing time in this offense. Yeah, there's a 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.800 couple of things I want to touch on here because 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.920 you brought up some excellent points. The first one being 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.920 is that the offseason program. You're right, you take everything 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.160 with a grain of salt, but at the same time, 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.200 We've covered enough of these things that you can also 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.960 tell when guys can't play, When guys just aren't going 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.760 to work, they aren't going to fit in. The thing 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.440 I really like about this receiving corps the same reason 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.200 why the Green Bay Packers didn't go out and find 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.880 another veteran receiver to bring in after Randall Copp departed. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.600 You want to let these guys spread their wings, and 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.880 I thought there was a lot of them that did 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.120 so this offseason. Well, the Packers didn't draft or receiver either. 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.640 That not only not bringing in another veteran, but they 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.120 use their draft picks in other places. So starting off 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.560 with what you said with Trevor Davis and Jake Kumarro. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.280 First off, with Kumaro, he has I think one of 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.800 the greatest compliments you could ever give a receiver is 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.640 the one that Aaron Rodgers gave to him this past 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.720 week and saying that he does all the little things 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.760 right the way he practices. Now, that isn't a statement 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.599 that Rogers gave for the first time. He's given that 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.920 a few times even before I want to say, uh, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.480 Kumarro is even activated to the roster last year when 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.679 he was on injured reserve. He has been incredibly complimentary 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.600 of how he carries himself, and to some extent, you 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.439 expect that from him. Kumaro, that is, he is a veteran. 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.319 He is seven years old. I think he's the second 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.640 oldest or maybe even the oldest receiver on this roster. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.559 You want to see him have that mentality. But it's 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.360 also telling those young guys on the roster, the draft picks, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.360 the guys that maybe were a little bit more heralded 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.680 a year ago, of where the bar is. He said 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.800 that really nicely, and then from Trevor Davis's perspective, Matt 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.160 Lafleur hit it right on the head when he stepped 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.200 to the group and was talking to the media after 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.760 a practice. I believe on Tuesday, Trevor Davis is sort 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.880 of the forgotten man in this equation. But if you've 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.120 watched these practices, and I know there's three of them 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.280 available to the public and not everybody can get to them, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.199 but Trevor Davis looks good, and he looks like he's 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.559 put the hamstring injury behind him. He looks like a 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.800 guy who's going into his fourth NFL season, and quite honestly, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.840 Mike with his speed, there's some people asking an inbox 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.120 when you pair him with an MVS. Those kind of 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.720 type of place. The this receiving corps looks different than 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.960 it did three or four years ago. There's a different 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.560 caliber of athlete right now. And that's saying something because 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.079 the Packers had some good ones. So watching Davis, watching MVS, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.680 watching Kumar, watch all these guys sort of, as I said, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.240 spread their wings a little bit, it just tells you that, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.200 in my opinion, the Packers made the right move investing 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.240 in the young guys on this roster and not going 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.040 out and finding a veteran that might just end up 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.559 log jamming that whole depth chart. Yeah, and what I 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.880 was reminded of in watching Trevor Davis in the handful 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.079 of practices we got to see over the last month 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.880 is that when this guy is healthy, he's fast. I mean, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.920 you could see the raw speed that he has out there. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.600 And you mentioned the different types of athletes now that 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.320 the Packers have at wide receiver, obviously there's a lot 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.600 of unproven ability. You know, a couple of those guys 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.640 MVS and EQ, they only have their rookie seasons under 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.360 their belt. You know a handful of catches, so to speak, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.920 relative to what a guy like Davante Adams has accomplished. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.960 But when you're talking about the different skill sets, the 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.640 different levels of athleticism that these guys have, it does 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.120 give the entire receiver group a different feel. And Rogers 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.120 made the comment also at his locker with regards to 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.840 Valdes Scantling and the progress that he is making from 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.480 year one to year two. As partly why I say, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.000 based on the reps that we saw, it's looking like 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.079 it'll be a neck and neck type of race between Valdes, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.320 Scantling and Allison for the number two job when the 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.840 offense is in a two receiver set. But Rogers said 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:21.120 that MVS is starting to play more to his timed speed. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.040 This is a guy who ran a four three seven 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.560 or four three eight forty in the combine coming out 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.720 in the draft, and the Packers drafted him in the 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.560 fifth round and we've seen that speed on display, and 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:35.200 Rogers from the quarterback position is starting to see in 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.240 the live action in the eleven on eleven stuff, he's 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.719 playing more to that timed speed and sometimes it can 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.360 take guys a while to get there. Some guys never 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.120 necessarily get there. They're always just a speed burner. But 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.840 then you know, when they have to make the decisions 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.360 and and make adjustments on the fly, they never quite 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.360 play that fast. And for Rogers Rogers to say that 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.760 about MVS, I thought was really interesting because to me 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.440 then that that makes him a top top candidate to 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.880 watch here during training camp when we get to see 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.760 a lot more eleven on eleven and full speed work. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.080 You know, I was actually sitting by my desk after 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.280 you know, practice and everything got done, locker room got 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.160 done on Wednesday, and I was thinking about this little 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.160 bit with Velvis Scantling. Aaron Rodgers has had a lot 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.400 of talented receivers, Jordy Nelson's future Packers Hall of Famer, 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.800 Greg Jennings, Donald's driver, Randall Cobb, James Jones, the list 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.800 goes on and on and on. To me, though he's 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.319 never had a four, three, four or four type guy. Uh, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.320 you know, Cobb was really good and short, short area quickness. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.600 Those other guys really master their footwork. I'm just really 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.320 intrigued that if if MVS can put his whole game together, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.560 if he can get on that quote unquote same page 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.680 that we talk about time and time again. He adds 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.560 a level to this offense that I don't think we've 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.280 quite seen before during the Aaron Rodgers era. And then again, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.880 you you factor in the Trevor Davis is the Davante Adams, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.040 all these other guys with these different skill sets. There 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.840 isn't one of the same player on that depth chart 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.440 right now. So when you look at MVS and the 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.360 way he's positioned himself, and I think he has right now, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.839 I'm not going to, you know, annoint him as a starter, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.800 but I think he's established himself as one of those 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.480 leading guys that will be going out with the ones 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.440 when we get back on July six. Whatever, it is 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.560 the fact that he took it as seriously as he 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.280 did this offseason. Remember this is a guy that last 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.000 year was drawing the playbook up over and over again, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.520 doing everything he could to get everything down. Is that 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.200 game starts to slow down and his speed starts to 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.720 catch up. That's a really dangerous combination. Yeah, And he 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.840 had an interesting comment too when I was at his 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.600 locker after Wednesday's practice and I asked him about learning 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.320 an NFL playbook for the second time, and is that 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.760 any different, you know, as opposed to learning an NFL 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.240 playbook as a rookie, and you know how he is. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.880 He just kind of shrugged and smiled and laughed it off, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.080 and he's like, I've been learning a new offense every 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.680 year for every year that I can remember, going back 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.520 to a player who transferred in college and played for 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.240 a number of different offensive coordinators and coaching staffs and 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.520 everything like that. So this whole thing about learning a 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.080 new system, it's nothing new to him. He has his 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.400 his own system, like you say, of kind of drawing 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.680 the plays himself to help commit him to memory and 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.760 and stuff like that. And just getting back for a 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.760 minute to Geronimo Allison as well in this mix, Davante 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.400 Adams had an interesting comment in that, um, he really 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.160 sees Alison. Now, Davante Adams is not the wide receiver's 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.440 coach and he's not the offensive coordinator at head coach, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.360 but he really likes what he sees from Geronimo Allison 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.840 in the slot when they're in the three receiver set. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.720 Just his experience. And if there's one thing we always 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.400 heard about Allison before he got hurt last year from 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.440 coach Mike McCarthy and the guys on his staff was 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.640 toughness when it comes to Geronimo Allison, and that seems 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.800 to be at least a piece of what the Packers 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.360 maybe are looking for at that slot position. Absolutely, and 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.360 I think the more that the off season program went on, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.320 I think at the beginning of the off season, I 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.800 wasn't quite sure how that position was going to settle out. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.640 It does seem like that is where Alison is sort 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.840 of settling in now. That being said, Larry mccarren pointed 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.600 out on one of the three things that we did 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.440 after a practice this week, packers are using a lot 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.040 more bunch formations. They're they're they're doing more to mix 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.920 and match their personnel. We saw plenty of Davante Adams 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.160 lining up inside, so there's gonna be a lot of 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.880 positional flexibility there. They're not the reason they didn't go 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.160 and get a five ten slot receivers because I don't 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.160 think there's really gonna just be one slot receiver in 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.200 this offense. Yeah, we've talked about that before. But that 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.920 being said, I think Geronimo Allison looks natural inside and 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.120 I think it's going to be intriguing to watch how 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.960 he further further develops in that role, and talking to 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.640 him after practice, I believe on Tuesday to this guy 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.520 just wants to be healthy. He just wants to be 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.040 able to go out there. He felt like he was 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.800 on the right trajectory. He didn't care what the stats 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.280 were last year. He didn't care that he was on 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.720 pace for a thousand yards. He just liked the way 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.640 he was playing and how he felt in the offense. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.640 He can come back now and pick up where he 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.240 left off there again, this Packers offense is gonna be 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.800 positioned really well. Yeah. Well, to touch on the defense 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.199 here quickly was before we go. I don't know about you, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.720 but if there were two guys defensively that I probably 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.080 had my eye on more than anybody else, it was 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.919 those two first round draft picks for Shawn Gary and 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.880 Darnell Savage. You have to like what you see out 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.879 of Rashaan Gary, just in terms of the athleticism that 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.720 the guy can run. I know they're not necessarily going 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.800 to ask him to drop back into coverage a lot, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.720 but from an athletic standpoint, he's certainly capable of doing that. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.960 And uh, then with regard to Darnell Savage, the number 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.000 twenty one overall pick the Packers traded up for the 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:40.160 safety out of Maryland. Davantae Adams made it pretty clear 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.240 at his locker and you know, I I take the 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.800 comments from the players in the locker room pretty seriously 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.120 because they know when they say things about their teammates 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.120 that it's going to get some traction and it can 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.800 potentially put pressure on guys, especially young guys. Davantae Adams 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.080 made no bones about it. He said, Darnell Savage is 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.760 going to be that guy. He's you know, the expectations 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.199 here for Savage are high. That's been evident from the 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.439 very beginning. They slotted him in there as a starter 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.280 in this defense from day one, from the day he 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.760 first put on that number twenty six jersey. But he 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.680 has not disappointed so far. His athleticism has been on display, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.800 and when the pads go on, he gets in those 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:23.200 preseason games and I'm I'm really interested to watch him 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.800 from above, like our view from the press box where 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.199 during the preseason games we get to see how the 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.560 secondary is lined up in the way those guys move. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.800 I'm gonna take at least a few series in the preseason, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.320 and just watch how he plays and how he moves 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.440 in the back end. Boy, can that guy really cover 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.119 some ground from where he can get to point A 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.480 to point B in his acceleration. To be quite honest 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.040 with you, not to compare a safety to an outside linebacker, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:48.960 but that was the number one thing that stood out 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.880 to me with both Gary and Savage this offseason, how 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.400 explosive they are. I don't care about the forties, although 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.200 both of them have impressive forties, but whatever their ten 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.360 yards splits must be must be pretty impressive. Ye from 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.000 Savage's perspective, you like what you're seeing there because quite honestly, 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:05.639 that's a position where the Packers don't have a lot 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.120 of depth right now, with Josh Jones first being here 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.240 in the mini camp and then obviously not practicing. UH 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.320