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Speaker 1: edition of Cutting the Distance Today. We're out in the
Speaker 1: Hila National Forest chasing elk the middle of September, and
Speaker 1: I've got some special guests, multiple guests. The one and
Speaker 1: only Luke Combs up, Tyler Carlson, which is Luke's bodyguard. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've got Jeremy Romero. Thanks for having me and myself here.
Speaker 1: We've been hunting. Luke was here for a little little
Speaker 1: stint in his calendar that he could run out here
Speaker 1: and hunt elk with us. We're gonna make the best
Speaker 1: of three and a half days. And we still got
Speaker 1: a day left. But this is about our last time
Speaker 1: to record a podcast. So we're sitting here and getting
Speaker 1: after beautiful stadium.
Speaker 2: Yet now here you great.
Speaker 3: We got some nice some horseback right riders back here,
Speaker 3: people pushing cattle around.
Speaker 1: The biggest downside to that was that was like our
Speaker 1: plan for tonight. Yeah, and he came rolling.
Speaker 3: Here and we're like, man, this is gonna be great,
Speaker 3: just hunting right behind camp. And then here comes John
Speaker 3: Wayne plugging down the right through the middle of horse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 3: That was That's made me hopeful just after getting blown
Speaker 3: out by those guys this morning.
Speaker 2: That was great.
Speaker 1: You know, No, it's been awesome. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: hunting for two and a half days. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've stopped laughing or telling jokes since we started,
Speaker 1: but uh uh, it's it's been a blast. We've had
Speaker 1: some great l hunts and some good stints. We had
Speaker 1: a couple of bad stints, you know, times where things
Speaker 1: weren't working, but it's been awesome. So we're gonna jump
Speaker 1: right into Pendleton's question and answer and today rather than
Speaker 1: pulling listener questions, which you can email them to us
Speaker 1: at CTV at Phelps game Calls dot com or hit
Speaker 1: us up on social media, and me and my guests
Speaker 1: will do our best to answer your questions. These questions
Speaker 1: are gonna be brought from Luke and Tyler and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, questions you guys just had throughout
Speaker 1: the hunt. Why me and Jeremy are doing some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we're doing as we're hunting hellcare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess my my first question would have been,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously I think some of these were answered
Speaker 3: by just being out yep and hunt with you guys.
Speaker 3: I think kind of my main question would have been
Speaker 3: maybe that I don't know the answer to is like,
Speaker 3: when you have this, when you have a tag like this,
Speaker 3: you have these limited windows to hunt, how do you
Speaker 3: go about deciding.
Speaker 2: Where your target.
Speaker 3: Area is going to? Because this unit is massive, right,
Speaker 3: so how do you decide? How did you decide on
Speaker 3: this spot?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: So I'll roll it back a little bit to more
Speaker 1: of a generalization. So when we look, you know, a
Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot view, you're looking for things, you know, terrain,
Speaker 1: you're looking for water, and New Mexico water is so critical.
Speaker 1: They don't it's not like where I'm from, where there's
Speaker 1: water everywhere. So we're looking for water sources that we
Speaker 1: think are there's gonna be water both on good good
Speaker 1: wet years and dry ears. We're looking at food, we're
Speaker 1: looking at security. So you start to look at these areas,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jeremy's local in New Mexico, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and so you do get some
Speaker 1: of that like, hey, you should go check out this area, right,
Speaker 1: And then we show up and we kind of truth
Speaker 1: we we kind of truth checked the area, you know,
Speaker 1: or their rubs are we seeing sign? Are we seeing?
Speaker 1: And we had the ability. We were kind of you know,
Speaker 1: hunting prior to you guys shown up, But we also
Speaker 1: were scouting prior to so we we you know, when
Speaker 1: you showed up, we were kind of you know, boots
Speaker 1: on the ground running. We knew they were going to
Speaker 1: be all can hear? We knew kind of where the
Speaker 1: hot spots were, right. But yeah, sitting at your at
Speaker 1: your desk at home, you're looking for those bedding areas,
Speaker 1: water areas, where are they going to eat? And then
Speaker 1: you try to pick out some spots that are either
Speaker 1: you know, rugged enough that you're going to get away
Speaker 1: from people, or just like little spots that people may
Speaker 1: avoid because it doesn't look that good. So we're, you know,
Speaker 1: with enough experience, we've kind of you know, found those areas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I look for, you know, places far
Speaker 4: from the road. You know, we're twenty four miles, we're
Speaker 4: forty miles back yep, right now, did Yeah that's what
Speaker 4: I look for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just oh, we walked all this stuff in
Speaker 3: yeah this Yeah, Tyler got most of it on him.
Speaker 3: His back at once kind of packed Yeah, maybe kind
Speaker 3: of packed him out and got him in here.
Speaker 1: And the truck that's that's just that's what's here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we photoshopped that was all that was already here.
Speaker 4: When we got Phelps nailed it. I mean, you're looking for,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of the habitat that those elk need.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's it's it's kind
Speaker 4: of a shot in the dark, right, I mean, we're
Speaker 4: I wish we had enough time in our schedules to
Speaker 4: spend you know, the necessary time out here to really
Speaker 4: you know, you know, pound the dirt and and get
Speaker 4: after it and try to find some good places where
Speaker 4: the alk are going to be. But at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, it's kind of reliant upon other people
Speaker 4: like you mentioned and then Brown Truth and getting out
Speaker 4: here and trying to figure out these these places. And
Speaker 4: then even when we're here, it's you got to adapt, ye.
Speaker 1: And one of the things about this unit that you
Speaker 1: might go to unit in Washington, Idaho, Colorado where the
Speaker 1: elk aron is dense, we're very fortunate to be in
Speaker 1: the unit that has a high density and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's fairly easy to show up and find elk in
Speaker 1: an area where there's some spots where we might not
Speaker 1: hear a behgle for a day or two and you're
Speaker 1: just hoofing and hiking. So we did have that on
Speaker 1: our side that we had a we knew the unit.
Speaker 1: We knew the unit has a reputation for you know,
Speaker 1: having having a good density, so that kind of helped
Speaker 1: us out as well. Yeah you got one, Tyler. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. We've been hunting for two and
Speaker 1: a half days, so these guys have probably used up most
Speaker 1: of our questions, but they can go back and grab
Speaker 1: grab a few more than they've had for.
Speaker 4: Us, for sure.
Speaker 5: I guess we were talking the other night about like
Speaker 5: the moon. So what really gets them fired up? Because
Speaker 5: you know, the first night we were in here, they
Speaker 5: were just you know, going nuts. We could hear them
Speaker 5: all over, and then obviously, uh, we were in them
Speaker 5: pretty thick, and then last night, the last two nights,
Speaker 5: we weren't really hearing them much, and then obviously we
Speaker 5: got on them. But what's really getting them active and
Speaker 5: moving around? And how do you know, it's like all right,
Speaker 5: it's starting to turn on.
Speaker 1: So the the night the first night you guys were here.
Speaker 1: We joke about that. We took you guys just for
Speaker 1: a hike without We knew you guys were going to
Speaker 1: hear a bigle, so we wanted you to kind of
Speaker 1: start on a low. But then like the next day,
Speaker 1: all joking aside, the next day we didn't hear We didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't stop hearing bigles from before dark. We literally
Speaker 1: walked out of camp, hunted a bowl all morning, multiple bowls,
Speaker 1: and then got off of them, came back to camp.
Speaker 2: Patty, Yeah, we passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke passed on a bowl at a smaller rag
Speaker 1: horn right off the bat had the five by six
Speaker 1: at fifty and then he winded us. Just our setup
Speaker 1: wasn't right for where he is. Yeah, I just didn't
Speaker 1: have a shot from where I was, you know. And
Speaker 1: so we've had that super high day and then yesterday
Speaker 1: was a little bit more of a mix. We had
Speaker 1: some bigles, but it wasn't it didn't seem to be
Speaker 1: as crazy. So that moon phase, I've always you can
Speaker 1: only hunt the days you've got, Like, so we have
Speaker 1: a season that's set September fifteenth to twenty fourth. You
Speaker 1: can't do anything about that moon, right, it's out of
Speaker 1: our control. But we noticed, you know, since we've been
Speaker 1: here on the fifteenth, we were leading into that full
Speaker 1: moon can be the issue. And what we will typically
Speaker 1: get then is we'll get real short spurts in the morning,
Speaker 1: like from daylight to maybe seven thirty, and then they're
Speaker 1: going to shut off.
Speaker 2: They're just hammering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got very short window and a very
Speaker 1: short window in the evening when they leave bed and
Speaker 1: get going, and then it's kind of that middle of
Speaker 1: the days just boring as hell when it's hot all night, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're doing their rutting at night. And then now
Speaker 1: we're kind of on the back side of the moon.
Speaker 1: We're down to what a half the moon left, and
Speaker 1: the moon timing it's up most of the day and
Speaker 1: it's only up for a little bit at night. That
Speaker 1: so now we're going to start seeing more of that
Speaker 1: all day action because they can't necessarily do as much.
Speaker 1: They're not on their feet as much, they can't see
Speaker 1: as well. And then the other thing you got to
Speaker 1: think of is not only the moon, we're now starting
Speaker 1: to get into later into September, where these cows are
Speaker 1: now you know, going into Estrius and being ready to
Speaker 1: be bred, which will click all those bulls into you know,
Speaker 1: running around and going crazy. So we're kind of dealing
Speaker 1: with two different you know, circumstances that kind of add
Speaker 1: into each other. Right, So we're worse you know today, tomorrow,
Speaker 1: you know, the next five days there won't be a season,
Speaker 1: but those are going to be amazing. When that moon
Speaker 1: goes away, the majority of the cows all coming at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's going to be magic here from
Speaker 1: the twenty Faire soon the season's over to the end
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been getting a little taste of it here
Speaker 4: in the mornings. I mean yeah, this morning and yesterday evening,
Speaker 4: you know, those those elk were hammering off, right, yeah, every.
Speaker 3: Couple Yeah, I mean yesterday even it was nuts. We
Speaker 3: saw absolute monster yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get into that one, Like we
Speaker 1: had Luke on. It was a bummer and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into this. But we're in some wide open ponderos
Speaker 1: and we think that's why these elk were there. But uh,
Speaker 1: we got Luke on a on an amazing bowl that
Speaker 1: we just couldn't make happen because we couldn't get any closer.
Speaker 1: So well, we're going to dive into that story here
Speaker 1: in a little bit. You got another question, Luke that
Speaker 1: we can throw into Pendleton's question and answer session.
Speaker 3: Here, I'm trying to think here, I don't know. It's like,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's so many things that I was
Speaker 3: so curious about that I've found out, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to rethink on on what
Speaker 3: those questions were. I feel like I just asked so
Speaker 3: many for those first couple of days, you know, like
Speaker 3: you didn't right and really come in with come in
Speaker 3: here with any expectations of what or how it was
Speaker 3: going to go right. And I think that first evening
Speaker 3: when we didn't hear anything, You're like, man, like, what's
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: I don't know if like this normal? Is it not normal?
Speaker 1: Don't don't lie? You were like, you're like Jason Jeremy.
Speaker 1: I heard you tell Tyler. I think Jason Jason Jeremy sucks.
Speaker 1: Steve sold Us.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, like, I don't know if these guys,
Speaker 4: these guys are professionals.
Speaker 2: These guys are pros dude.
Speaker 3: But and I mean, it turns out your unfortunately, and
Speaker 3: turns out your I was hoping you wouldn't be actually
Speaker 3: a little bit more, uh for not being so good.
Speaker 3: But man, I just think that I just think it's
Speaker 3: everyone's going to slave me for saying it's like Turkey Hunt.
Speaker 1: But no, it's really I love it.
Speaker 2: It's really similar.
Speaker 4: Man, comparisons so much.
Speaker 1: Man, I love that you said that because we get
Speaker 1: these West West is or whatever you guys want to
Speaker 1: people want of calls, like they hate the idea that
Speaker 1: you can make the tie the similarities to Turkey and elk.
Speaker 1: But you had no preconceived notion of what this elk
Speaker 1: counting was and made that same connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only difference is you mentioned is like, man, we've
Speaker 1: did three spirals, seven up and downs.
Speaker 2: That's the difference.
Speaker 3: The wind is the only thing difference, right, I think
Speaker 3: I was I was joking with these guys this morning.
Speaker 3: I've been joking with these guys the whole time, but
Speaker 3: I was joking with them. I was like, man, we
Speaker 3: ought to just stay at the truck. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like mostly because it's freezing in the morning, Like, we
Speaker 3: ought to just stay in the truck and.
Speaker 2: See if something mosy's by.
Speaker 3: And then the last couple of mornings we, you know,
Speaker 3: hike our ass off into somewhere, and then there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of elk few going by the freaking truck both.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I mean that's about a twenty mile
Speaker 4: hike from your truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's in and out, twenty out.
Speaker 1: We just we just happened to be able to hear
Speaker 1: where they're out by the truck five miles again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's I I'm never gonna live it down. That
Speaker 1: Luke is I think jokingly suggested that we stay at
Speaker 1: the truck, even though he's trying to really make me
Speaker 1: feel bad. But I think the lot of two days
Speaker 1: we've did this hike in got the wind right, doing
Speaker 1: everything we think, got the bulls big one, and somewhere
Speaker 1: throughout that morning hunt, we're like, Jeremy Luke, I think
Speaker 1: that one's right next to that one, right next to
Speaker 1: the truck.
Speaker 4: But you can smile him.
Speaker 2: This morning, they had just been there. By the time
Speaker 2: we got back.
Speaker 4: We had a camera next to the truck. He'd probably
Speaker 4: have something, probably have something on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just the way it is, man, That's
Speaker 3: the way it goes. But I was always I was
Speaker 3: I was getting to is a whole turkey scenario. It's
Speaker 3: like I've learned that hunt turkeys over the last I
Speaker 3: don't know, seven or eight years now, is that sometimes
Speaker 3: just sitting in that spot is the answer, you know,
Speaker 3: and going well, there's now I hear this bird gobbling
Speaker 3: off this way, and you go chase it. On the
Speaker 3: time you get there, he's gone. And then other birds
Speaker 3: walked into where you were because you were sitting up
Speaker 3: there calling. I can't tell you how many times I've
Speaker 3: done that. So just remember that, guys, you're gonna learn something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm your boy here.
Speaker 1: You know, we try, we try. No, it's it's we've
Speaker 1: had a blast. I appreciate those questions from you guys.
Speaker 1: Once again, you have questions for me, my guests for
Speaker 1: Dirt Phil free meal free, feel free to email them
Speaker 1: to us at CTD at Phelps game Calls dot com,
Speaker 1: or send us a message on social media. Will do
Speaker 1: our best to get it on here. So now we're
Speaker 1: just gonna jump into a normal podcast. Questions I have
Speaker 1: for you, question you have for us? So this this area,
Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to describe the healis so people
Speaker 1: can kind of get a sense where we're at. And
Speaker 1: this unit's so different from the northwest corner of Southeast Corner.
Speaker 1: I one thing I think we could all agree on.
Speaker 1: There's rocks everywhere. Oh man, this unit doesn't want you
Speaker 1: to ever touch dirt, so you're walking on rocks. We've
Speaker 1: got some areas where this area is was logged what
Speaker 1: forty fifty years ago Jeremy probably at least, so I
Speaker 1: would call it like commercially thinned ponderosa piones, which the
Speaker 1: elks seem to love because they know they're never going
Speaker 1: to get killed there. And then we do have some brushy, steep,
Speaker 1: rocky canyons that have never been touched. So we're kind
Speaker 1: of these mix of rolling you know, rolling hills in
Speaker 1: some areas that drop into some steep canyons back to
Speaker 1: what we you know, the main valley floor or the
Speaker 1: high desert or whatever you guys refer where.
Speaker 3: That rag horn came in, which is what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: like when he was coming up that that cut there
Speaker 3: or whatever that was. I feel like kind of a
Speaker 3: spot that's been kind of untouched yep.
Speaker 2: In there. You know, there's still some cover, you know,
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff going.
Speaker 1: On and one of the it's made it's made it difficult.
Speaker 1: And you've seen and I mean, you know, to Luke's credit,
Speaker 1: you know, Hunter a guy that understands all these things. Like, man,
Speaker 1: we sit there and kind of scratch our head like
Speaker 1: this isn't the good These were the elk crap. But
Speaker 1: there's no good spot to set up, and so we
Speaker 1: we spend enough, you know, a bunch of time looking
Speaker 1: for setups. We you know, how are we gonna do this?
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the area. We're in Ponderosa Pines.
Speaker 1: We got some mixed aspens and some mixed fir trees
Speaker 1: and areas. But that that's kind of how this HeLa
Speaker 1: lays out, and.
Speaker 4: A little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: You get down a little lower, we got some more
Speaker 1: opinion juniper, not as much up here, but there are some.
Speaker 1: And then the elk populations, and you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let the conservationists. Mister Jimmie Romero talked about the olk population.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to speak for you know, the
Speaker 4: the biologists that spend the time out here, but it's
Speaker 4: one of the larger, you know, national forests out there
Speaker 4: with a I think a pretty significant population of elk.
Speaker 4: I don't know the exact number, but I imagine it's,
Speaker 4: you know, well in the thousands. I think you can
Speaker 4: kind of point your finger on a map in this
Speaker 4: in this particular area and probably find some elk, you know,
Speaker 4: within a close proximity. It like, you know, talking about
Speaker 4: the landscape and the habitat here has a little bit
Speaker 4: of everything, right. Obviously water is somewhat scarce, but where
Speaker 4: we are it seems to be a little bit more
Speaker 4: plentiful than other places. But yeah, I mean we we
Speaker 4: have a plethora of wildlife species here, Elk. We've seen
Speaker 4: some meal deer, We've seen some turkey, you know, We've
Speaker 4: seen we've heard some wolves.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We had a pretty good song plan B for a play,
Speaker 4: you know, for a play this this afternoon, and uh,
Speaker 4: I think about two thirty this morning that was kind
Speaker 4: of shut down.
Speaker 3: Have you guys heard like a UFO unidentified sound weird
Speaker 3: dentified sounding.
Speaker 4: Talk about that for a quick second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you know, Luke. Luke ended up going
Speaker 1: to bed that night and Tyler, myself and Jeremy decided
Speaker 1: to go out to night Bugle. I feel bad talking
Speaker 1: like that's one of my hidden secrets. We talk about it,
Speaker 1: but not a lot.
Speaker 4: But maybe we cut it out.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think we talked about it. There's there
Speaker 1: were others out here doing it. But you know, we
Speaker 1: we went and ate dinner. We kind of let things
Speaker 1: settle down, let everybody get back to their own camp,
Speaker 1: let the wood settle down, and we just go to
Speaker 1: spots we think there might be out and that way
Speaker 1: almost ensures every morning we're gonna be on out. Well,
Speaker 1: we were. We went down to a spot Jeremy wanted
Speaker 1: to check out that we hadn't really talked about. And
Speaker 1: was it before the wolves are after?
Speaker 2: Is before wolves there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Weird wolves there?
Speaker 2: And and then the weird sound and then we heard.
Speaker 1: We heard the sound first the the almost extinct wolf.
Speaker 1: I heard twenty seven of those. Yeah, they call him extinct.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, well, we just happened to pick a
Speaker 1: spot and there was one hundred of them. But while
Speaker 1: we were listening to the wolves, it was right when
Speaker 1: we got out of the side, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: before it was before the wolves actually, and.
Speaker 4: I think we all have a very different like interpretation
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 1: Right of the sound, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was just it was a unique sound that you
Speaker 4: wouldn't expect to hear in the forest when it was
Speaker 4: so quiet, like it was just a loud To me,
Speaker 4: it sounded kind of like a like a rumble or
Speaker 4: like a loud static on a TV, you know, almost
Speaker 4: like a.
Speaker 1: Jet a little bit too. Yeah, I thought like that
Speaker 1: launching a rocket out of the mid It was just
Speaker 1: a big oh for probably half half a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least Luke's not buying it. But I we all
Speaker 1: heard it.
Speaker 5: Aliens.
Speaker 1: It's weird. Could be aliens, could be ALIENSU So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. We were talking. We've seen everything out here.
Speaker 1: It seems like darrel, turkeys, coyotes, wolves, squirrels. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got almost got skunked that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of toads, Yeah, a lot of horny toads.
Speaker 3: Yeah, little lizards. Those are cool. You know you pick
Speaker 3: one up? Did you pick one up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You tried to like get in your like under
Speaker 2: your bag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give me.
Speaker 1: Uh so, what are some of the challenges that you
Speaker 1: we've encountered that you maybe didn't expect on a mill cunt.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the challenge I expected was walking
Speaker 3: up hills, which we encountered that a lot we've encountered.
Speaker 2: Lots of those.
Speaker 4: You've been getting after it, no, I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: think you've been missing a step at all.
Speaker 2: No, Oh, it's been vera.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just feel like I, you know, I
Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, coming out here right like I
Speaker 3: wanted to. You know, we could have easily been like, man,
Speaker 3: let's go to some jam up private spot with no
Speaker 3: hunters and no hunt pressure and you know, get one
Speaker 3: on the ground, and we could have easily done that, right,
Speaker 3: But I think that, you know, I always for this
Speaker 3: to be. I had no plans, you know, to do
Speaker 3: I don't have really, you know, I had was gonna
Speaker 3: be doing an el hunt later in the year that
Speaker 3: ended up falling through, and then this, you know, fill
Speaker 3: in my lap when when Steve reached out about a
Speaker 3: month ago, I guess, and I was ecstatic to be
Speaker 3: able to go out here on public land and and
Speaker 3: really get after it. You know, I'm I'm in this
Speaker 3: for the experience, you know, I'm not. I'm not just
Speaker 3: in it to get out here. And I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: the end goal is the same for everybody, right, but
Speaker 3: you just want to have that extra sense of you know,
Speaker 3: I really put the work in and and really earned
Speaker 3: this thing. And we've come really close a couple of
Speaker 3: times out here. And yes, I guess things that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have expected. Obviously I hadn't you know, I hadn't
Speaker 3: had any experience, you know, hearing an elk bugle that
Speaker 3: you know, right next to me pretty much that was
Speaker 3: that was pretty awesome. I was not I was not
Speaker 3: expecting it to be that awesome.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I was interested in like understanding how the calling worked,
Speaker 3: you know, because obviously I am familiar with hunting turkeys
Speaker 3: and how that calling works. But me and Jeremy were
Speaker 3: talking a little bit about a few days ago how
Speaker 3: you don't, you know, utilize in turkey hunting, you don't
Speaker 3: really utilize the male call very much at all, and
Speaker 3: there's obviously some.
Speaker 2: People that do. I've never seen it be really effective
Speaker 2: or help.
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody that's like, man, that's my secret is,
Speaker 3: you know, doing a gobble, you know, it just doesn't
Speaker 3: really if anything, it just maybe will elicit another gobble.
Speaker 3: But it's just it seems like here the female call
Speaker 3: is a little bit less. It seems like to be
Speaker 3: used a lot less. You know, it's almost more like
Speaker 3: a finesse move ye to get them to kind of
Speaker 3: close that. You know, it's so crazy, Like there's been
Speaker 3: a few different scenarios where I feel like we're almost
Speaker 3: on you know, we've got one that's breaking to us,
Speaker 3: you know, and then you're obviously set up behind us
Speaker 3: and you're you're trying to figure out what this particular
Speaker 3: you know, animal wants to hear, right like, either does
Speaker 3: you do you want him to think that there's another
Speaker 3: bull that's on cows or you just being an aggressive
Speaker 3: bull that's stepping into his spots.
Speaker 2: It's been it's been interesting. I was anxious to.
Speaker 3: See how you how you navigated those situations, and that
Speaker 3: was that was cool to watch. So that was something
Speaker 3: that maybe I wasn't expecting to be so intricate, right
Speaker 3: Like I was expecting it to just be like, well, you
Speaker 3: just hit a you just bugle all the time, and
Speaker 3: it's the same thing all the time. It's yes, that's
Speaker 3: my what's kind of my preconceived notion of it a
Speaker 3: little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: Where it's like you get a gobble, You're like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go ninety nine percent yelps. You know that's
Speaker 1: that's really what I had to do. Where here we're
Speaker 1: trying to make a decision, you know, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times we make that decision based on his bugle,
Speaker 1: like you know, and you're starting to pick it up like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a big one. Yeah, for sure, that's a big one,
Speaker 1: for sure. And then we just assumed the big ones
Speaker 1: got cows right, right, and so now we're like, we're
Speaker 1: probably not going to pull him off with a cow call,
Speaker 1: right the way things are going, And so then we
Speaker 1: got to get in tight and use bagles versus like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go after this one. We think it might
Speaker 1: be a satellite. Let's just try cow calls and see
Speaker 1: if that gets them going. Then if not, we might
Speaker 1: have to sprinkle a beagle and then see if that
Speaker 1: gets them. So you picked up on that real real quick,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's kind of the same thing
Speaker 1: that we're doing. And there's no perfect science. I don't
Speaker 1: care how many years we've been out here listening to
Speaker 1: these things. There's still a little bit of guesswork and
Speaker 1: you got to kind of you know, fact check your
Speaker 1: your guests.
Speaker 4: But you do it and then you're like that didn't
Speaker 4: work out. Maybe I should have call called yep. Maybe
Speaker 4: I should have begled instead. I mean, you just you
Speaker 4: just got to start with something, yep.
Speaker 1: And then some of the other challenges we've experienced public land,
Speaker 1: Like you said, we're not on some private honey hole.
Speaker 1: We are. We've had people mess us up, whether.
Speaker 3: More than once. You guys have had people mess you
Speaker 3: up more than once. I mean we had it this morning, yep.
Speaker 1: And see the directly indirectly last night we went back
Speaker 1: into what it's been our good night spot and we
Speaker 1: get in there a little bit to where a non
Speaker 1: motorized trail at this point, and we're like, somebody's been
Speaker 1: in here on since we were there last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And then this morning, man, I feel
Speaker 3: like we I feel like everybody kind of thought that
Speaker 3: it was about to happen. I mean, we had the
Speaker 3: perfect setup, the perfect wind, the perfect scenario, and you know,
Speaker 3: we got this bullworking the ridge just above us, and
Speaker 3: he's making it. He's going in reverse to try to
Speaker 3: get down this ridge to come up to you on
Speaker 3: the opposite ridge, and then we just hear, you know,
Speaker 3: a guy playing a phone noise.
Speaker 1: What we call those Doug flues.
Speaker 2: We just heard this brutal, brutal bugle. It was awful.
Speaker 2: And there was.
Speaker 3: Two guys up on that ridge, yup, pushing that elk
Speaker 3: and their wind was just going right to him and
Speaker 3: he took off.
Speaker 2: Huh they had good.
Speaker 1: Win for the elk. Yeah, okay, And that was like
Speaker 1: we were reading that situation. I could hear that bull.
Speaker 1: You guys were still trying to get set up. We
Speaker 1: were far enough apart, it was brushing enough, which was
Speaker 1: finally going to be a good setup. I couldn't see
Speaker 1: you guys, and that bull was kind of working down
Speaker 1: the ridge and I'm like, I got a call now,
Speaker 1: or he's going to get past us again? Call and
Speaker 1: he's he's hot, right he was. He was bugling at
Speaker 1: cow calls, bugling at bugles, and he comes to the
Speaker 1: edge hammers at us twice and the next time we
Speaker 1: hear him going away, which to me is like that
Speaker 1: number one wasn't his natural path. He'd been coming down
Speaker 1: that ridge all morning.
Speaker 4: He didn't see us. Hint, windows we.
Speaker 1: Had perfect win. So I'm like, well, what we realized
Speaker 1: is we had a pretty big rock outcrop into this
Speaker 1: canyon and he couldn't come down that. So what I
Speaker 1: think he was doing he was going to go back
Speaker 1: up to get so he could get down and whoop
Speaker 1: our butt when he got in. He was going to
Speaker 1: come up and see us. And about the last bugle
Speaker 1: we heard, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is you know,
Speaker 1: talking to Tyler. Tyler kind of hides in the bushes
Speaker 1: back by me when we're calling. And looked at Tyler
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, this is going to happen, Like the
Speaker 1: bull's going back, that's going to get him down in
Speaker 1: that drainage. And next thing you hear is one of
Speaker 1: the worst sounding cow calls. I'm like, gosh, dang, head
Speaker 1: back to I just like laid bang my head into
Speaker 1: a rock. I'm like, are you kidding me? And so
Speaker 1: you know, and then the bold beagles off goes down
Speaker 1: ways and it's I'm not a I'm a jerk a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't want to be a jerk,
Speaker 1: but I want to like run my wind checker over
Speaker 1: to these guys like that was never ever gonna work
Speaker 1: for you. Ever, we had spent what the next we
Speaker 1: got up a little earlier today, spent a little more
Speaker 1: time walking in the dark, you know, headlamps on, slowly
Speaker 1: picking our way so that the wind was going to
Speaker 1: be no matter where those elk were, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: good wind. And these guys rolling their side by side
Speaker 1: right at daylight and come down completely like these guys
Speaker 1: had to be thinking like, hey, hey, Roger, is that
Speaker 1: one hitting you in the back. Yeah, let's go with the.
Speaker 4: Elk then, like that's how that that's how that conversation
Speaker 4: had to have went, like let's just we're gonna walk
Speaker 4: straight at this elk with the wind.
Speaker 1: You know. But what you did, what you.
Speaker 3: Didn't see going on was me and Romero got down there,
Speaker 3: set up, and Dave's behind us and and I'm.
Speaker 2: He's like get you know, get ready.
Speaker 3: We're like getting the spot and I'd put my arrow
Speaker 3: in it freaking lighted, not goes off, it's just glowing.
Speaker 3: I'm like he's like, give me that arrow takes any
Speaker 3: like puts in the grain and covering it up with dirt.
Speaker 2: Put the next one in locked, knock lights up.
Speaker 3: The other arrow, and we're like turning my boat and
Speaker 3: he's trying to like jam. It was a mess, dude,
Speaker 3: It was all.
Speaker 1: Finn figured out. Yeah, I was worried about letting you
Speaker 1: to go ahead of me that far and what may
Speaker 1: may happen?
Speaker 2: It was good though. We were in a good spot.
Speaker 2: It was we both thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that we were able to do
Speaker 1: this morning is we had multiple bulls going, so we
Speaker 1: always had if this doesn't work, our backup plan until
Speaker 1: we had like options B C, which kept the morning going.
Speaker 2: I'm still, I'm still kind of I'm still.
Speaker 3: I've run myself through a couple of times like what
Speaker 3: what happened to the one that was the one that
Speaker 3: we thought originally was the one from last night who
Speaker 3: was up that we were originally going after before we
Speaker 3: heard the one behind us when we came back to
Speaker 3: him and he was still working and he was we
Speaker 3: thought he was moving to that drainage and he stopped.
Speaker 1: It's like, where did he go? Never answered us? Where was?
Speaker 2: Where could he have gone?
Speaker 3: Because that whole area they're in is just that open
Speaker 3: meadow with those big pine trees in there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give Luke any more ammunition us
Speaker 1: against me, but if the route he was going, I
Speaker 1: think those were those elk we smelled like thirteen feet
Speaker 1: from the truck.
Speaker 2: No, I figured they all right?
Speaker 1: You were setting me up. I was all right, I
Speaker 1: think that's what happened. He gave us one more buhgle
Speaker 1: went down across that cannon, went right between right by
Speaker 1: the rig somewhere. But the next I'm reading, I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm getting into my bullet talk about whether Luke got
Speaker 1: an elk or not. We still got a day left,
Speaker 1: we got a night in the morning. But uh we may,
Speaker 1: like I say, Luke passed. I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: the first part story. I'm gon let you tell that
Speaker 1: first night story. We got on a group three bowls
Speaker 1: not far from camp, kind of really slow played him
Speaker 1: that morning. A bunch of that was the one. We
Speaker 1: really did a bunch of zig zag and jumping over
Speaker 1: you know, ridge over ridge, you get that win right
Speaker 1: got up there. I thought we kind of lost them
Speaker 1: for a little bit. We smell out all of us
Speaker 1: like you smell that. Let a little locate bigogle there
Speaker 1: ninety yards in front of us, and so I backed up.
Speaker 1: You guys went forward, and right away you guys could
Speaker 1: see the elk right below a little raghorn. He did.
Speaker 2: He saw him up like I was just even back
Speaker 2: on to not see him.
Speaker 1: So you guys saw those. We ended up after they
Speaker 1: made me work for it a little bit, we finally
Speaker 1: were able to call the little Raghorn into what thirty
Speaker 1: three yards and Luke had made the decision. Uh just
Speaker 1: let you know there was a bigger bowl in there.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it was the only boy, he would have
Speaker 1: been mournings, but we had a good bowl there, which
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Let's and it was early, dude, it was the first
Speaker 3: really first morning, so you're like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, let's let's get this big one.
Speaker 3: And we're here and there hammering that day, you know,
Speaker 3: like so we're like, okay, well we're in them, like
Speaker 3: we're in here, they're in here thick. So you know
Speaker 3: this isn't going to be take the first shot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what I mean? Yeah, And so that was it worked perfect.
Speaker 1: And just to give everybody a little bit of idea
Speaker 1: how we're calling these things. So our idea with some
Speaker 1: of this more open country is to have me set
Speaker 1: up fifty sixty seventy yards back and then these guys
Speaker 1: if the wind we talk about this all the time,
Speaker 1: the wind's hitting us maybe from the right to the left,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys will set up maybe to my left.
Speaker 1: This one we got a little bit in a straight
Speaker 1: line because we basically just had to drop where everything
Speaker 1: really were. But our normal setup has been, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set back fifty sixty yards, you guys will
Speaker 1: go forward and then maybe out to the down wind
Speaker 1: side of me. If that elk comes in and wants
Speaker 1: to get win that way, it pulls them right into
Speaker 1: you guys. So that's kind of our setup. We get there.
Speaker 2: We knew we can.
Speaker 1: I can only call the ball or the bowl so
Speaker 1: far before he's gonna win, you guys. He gets the
Speaker 1: thirty three wins, and about that time, you guys bought
Speaker 1: the bigger bull coming over on the same trail exactly,
Speaker 1: and we can hear it and he's coming in just hot.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, this is gonna work. Well, what happened
Speaker 1: is that that raghorn that winded us goes down and
Speaker 1: then kind of curls away. He's a little spooked. Well,
Speaker 1: that bull, instead of staying on the same path that
Speaker 1: raghorn decides to chase him away from his cows and
Speaker 1: kind of takes him up there. Well, they're up on
Speaker 1: the ridge and he's still big and well, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, that six point decides he's going to come
Speaker 1: back in and' like, all right here it goes well,
Speaker 1: the bulls coming into me calling not where your guys
Speaker 1: is set up, and he gets to what sixty.
Speaker 4: Three sixty three yards from us in forty.
Speaker 1: Forty forty two or something for me and the last
Speaker 1: little pile of brush you went in. He was going
Speaker 1: to pop out under fifty, but he catches you guys,
Speaker 1: your you know, your guys wind again at fifty and
Speaker 1: then kind of bolt doesn't really bolt out, just slowly
Speaker 1: walks off.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We we took a nap for an hour and went
Speaker 1: back at him, and we don't need to get in
Speaker 1: too much details. We kind of walk smack dab into him,
Speaker 1: did some barking back and forth. We were able to
Speaker 1: kind of slow him down and almost save it, but
Speaker 1: then he had a pesky cow that didn't really like
Speaker 1: our situation. And basically eight of us, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not just us four hunting right, We've got audio produce,
Speaker 1: her meet eater producer, two camera guys. Uh, there's eight
Speaker 1: of us standing in the middle of open did everything
Speaker 1: we could to save it, but ultimately lost that one
Speaker 1: and then we go we come back. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get into all that. The whole way back, we
Speaker 1: just keep running to random.
Speaker 3: Bugles, I mean every bend in the road, and like
Speaker 3: not you were It's not like you're like I want
Speaker 3: to stop here and locate. It would just be like
Speaker 3: we'd be walking into we just hammer one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty yards away.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the best part was was like, you know,
Speaker 4: you come off of an unsuccessful set up, share a
Speaker 4: little down right, and then a bull fires off and
Speaker 4: it's like right back, Yeah, man, your back, guys, you're
Speaker 4: ready again, let's set up and then you know it
Speaker 4: doesn't work out. So you're walking down the road a little,
Speaker 4: a little bummed, and then bull fires off. It's just
Speaker 4: like rent and repeat all morning into well into the
Speaker 4: early afternoon.
Speaker 1: Yep. And so we we mess around with those. So
Speaker 1: we we keep telling I think the night before Luke's like, so,
Speaker 1: how's these days ago? I said, we usually back in
Speaker 1: camp by eleven ten eleven, Well after our long walkout
Speaker 1: we I got here.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: Literally we're heading out at three thirty. I'm like, gees, no.
Speaker 1: Nap, He's coming off of a flight from Kansas deer
Speaker 1: hunt where he wasn't sleeping, comes right into an now
Speaker 1: count were like, hey, we're gonna we're gonna work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked worked.
Speaker 1: So we go right back out to a little spot
Speaker 1: we had been saving. We had got on some elk
Speaker 1: prior to Luke being here and once again had an
Speaker 1: illegal side by side mess that up. But we knew
Speaker 1: these bulls were in here. They like it. And these
Speaker 1: bulls seem to be on some sort of a cycle
Speaker 1: I haven't figured out yet, but they're kind of they're
Speaker 1: there and then they're gone. They're there until we wanted
Speaker 1: to go check that out. And I took a lot
Speaker 1: of this blame originally because I'm I'm gonna take ownership
Speaker 1: for me not spotting a bowl. We get in there,
Speaker 1: we weren't walking more than five minutes, and we bust
Speaker 1: the ball out of his bed right and I'm blaming
Speaker 1: you guys because you guys are making fun of me
Speaker 1: for jumping over logs.
Speaker 4: Aping the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like look at that guy in his
Speaker 1: lengthy ass giraft legs or whatever he was saying, and oh.
Speaker 4: There's a pre really good path through the logs and
Speaker 4: he just Alps decides to just leap over all of them,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, just yeah, power move.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was he was trying to show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're bumping out there and we don't once again,
Speaker 1: we haven't lowked. Did we locate this? We located this ball.
Speaker 1: We get to a little rise right past that, We're like,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little bit stupid, like just walked by
Speaker 1: a bedded bowl. I'm gonna be able here before I
Speaker 1: screw anything else up and pull hammers right around the corner.
Speaker 1: No it's not him. Uh, we get we get kind
Speaker 1: of check the wind. We're like, oh man, this it
Speaker 1: can't work out better? Wins good. I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: take the story from here, though I don't want to. Jeremy.
Speaker 2: I'll take you. I'll take I'll take it if you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Hollo.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't let Jeremy take it because I
Speaker 3: feel like he's gonna explain it so much more eloquently.
Speaker 4: How about we both take it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I go for it.
Speaker 4: And you know, we set up we got fifty sixty
Speaker 4: yards from from Phelps and have the wind in our
Speaker 4: face and we're offset to Phelps's left, on.
Speaker 3: A down slope, you know, yeah, already a decent little grade.
Speaker 2: Were open, real open.
Speaker 4: And that was the challenge, right, We already knew that
Speaker 4: we were somewhat in the open, so we had very
Speaker 4: few spots to draw if that bull didn't, in fact,
Speaker 4: which he did, come to the call. But we set up,
Speaker 4: we got comfortable, We got into a spot where we
Speaker 4: thought we had enough cover. I you know, looking back
Speaker 4: at it, I think it was the best spot we
Speaker 4: could have had it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the only spot that there was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just a handful of you know, small
Speaker 4: and mature ponderosas just a little taller than us, but
Speaker 4: you know, broke up our silhouette enough to where we
Speaker 4: can we can try to make something happen. And Phelps
Speaker 4: started hammering the calls and like clockwork, I mean, that
Speaker 4: bull just came right into it like he had it on.
Speaker 1: Can I interject a little bit there? So we go
Speaker 1: back to like what he's feeling. And this was one
Speaker 1: of those good situations where it didn't matter if I buggled,
Speaker 1: whether I cow called, whether I raked the tree, all
Speaker 1: of them seemed to be working. So like this bulls
Speaker 1: he's interested because it didn't. It wasn't one or the other.
Speaker 1: I like, this makes my job boo easier. Aways need
Speaker 1: to you know, a call every minute or two.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, yeah, And so then you know we're set up.
Speaker 4: We can start seeing the bull coming down the hill.
Speaker 4: No good bull. You know we got one one look
Speaker 4: at him and you this was this was something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the second you step out, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, yeah, no question, no question asked.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So then it's the game of like, well when do
Speaker 4: we draw right, how how close? How far is he
Speaker 4: before we have an opportunity to to really draw back
Speaker 4: on him? And uh, I thought, I mean, I'll just
Speaker 4: you know, I'll continue to take blame for it as well.
Speaker 4: I thought, like there was a there was a clump
Speaker 4: of trees, and I thought he would come behind him,
Speaker 4: and that would be the same.
Speaker 2: Thing, thinking the same thing. He came.
Speaker 4: He came a completely different trajectory. He just he came
Speaker 4: toward us, which is.
Speaker 3: Weird because you're you're straight back yards walk them to us,
Speaker 3: and we haven't made a sound.
Speaker 2: It made a move.
Speaker 4: The wind is still good. He comes into about thirty
Speaker 4: seven yards and he comes to the last possible little
Speaker 4: clump of trees that we could we could use to draw,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, Luke draws and we just get busted.
Speaker 4: You know, I've never seen somebody hold a bowl that
Speaker 4: bow that long at full draw at that angle. I mean, Luke.
Speaker 4: Luke was pointing to the ground at full draw, and
Speaker 4: that bulls just kind of staring at us. He probably
Speaker 4: held it there what seemed like twenty minutes, you know,
Speaker 4: but it was a couple of minutes. Yeah, he stayed,
Speaker 4: he stayed in that position. That bull was was locked
Speaker 4: in on us. You know, Jason just hammered the calls
Speaker 4: through everything in the kitchen sink at that bull.
Speaker 1: I mean, so what I'm thinking at that time is
Speaker 1: Luke needs an opportunity to lift his bow and get
Speaker 1: it on target. And so I'm only forty yards away
Speaker 1: from this elk, but he can't really see me. And
Speaker 1: so I've got my stick in my hands, I'm raking
Speaker 1: the tree. I'm beagling like I just wanted his eyes,
Speaker 1: and he did for a little bits turned to me,
Speaker 1: but he still had enough eyes on you guys that
Speaker 1: you couldn't necessarily get the bow up.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And also there was no shot anyways where he was
Speaker 3: even if the bow was up at that point used
Speaker 3: to we still needed him to come across and around
Speaker 3: because all we're looking at is those little trees. There's
Speaker 3: no windows at all to get a shot through there.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's like it was never
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because from my spot, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like figure out what I guess it is wide open,
Speaker 1: you know, shoot nothing. But so, I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: in this situation enough. The bull whirls and kind of
Speaker 1: walks off and I at some point we call a
Speaker 1: little bit more to him and he actually kind of
Speaker 1: hooks back to me again.
Speaker 4: Well before that, you know, he he got a little spooked,
Speaker 4: and then he did the whole I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 4: bail right and then you're he pivoted to try to leave,
Speaker 4: and then Jason called and the bull was able to stop,
Speaker 4: and we we had a window. It was probably the
Speaker 4: size of a basketball or something like that, that's what
Speaker 4: it seemed like. And uh, he would It was essentially broadsided,
Speaker 4: a little quartering away, but a good window. We could
Speaker 4: have snuck one in there. And Luke tried to just
Speaker 4: kind of veered off a little bit to try to
Speaker 4: get it through there. And when he did that, the
Speaker 4: bull walked and that's when he did that little jay
Speaker 4: hook and and started coming to us. And by that
Speaker 4: time he probably gained about twenty yards. You know, once
Speaker 4: he once he kind of boogered, and that you know
Speaker 4: you're calling, brought him right back in. That's that's what
Speaker 4: save does. And so he he came back up. There
Speaker 4: was a tree that was, you know, falling on the
Speaker 4: ground that we had rained debt at fifty yards and
Speaker 4: you know, I just kept my range finder on him
Speaker 4: and he kept walking up and Luke's just like, talk
Speaker 4: to me, Talk to me. He talking to me. So
Speaker 4: I'm just you know, firing off ranges. And that bull
Speaker 4: stops at at fifty one yards, and you know, he
Speaker 4: was already he was already a little antsy, and I
Speaker 4: just I was a little afraid that if he kept
Speaker 4: if he kept walking, we wouldn't have had a shot.
Speaker 4: We'd be in the wide open and he potentially would
Speaker 4: have seen you and he would have been gone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So he gets in that window and kind of stop,
Speaker 4: So I mewte at him, you know, just to keep
Speaker 4: him there a little longer. His attention kind of comes
Speaker 4: right back to us, and and lukelets one fire at
Speaker 4: fifty one yards, a great, great shot, I mean a
Speaker 4: great shot, and we hit him. We hit him high
Speaker 4: in the back, and you know, we were sitting there wondering,
Speaker 4: you know, what the heck happened? And everything felt good,
Speaker 4: the shot felt good. We had plenty of time to
Speaker 4: take that shot. We sat down, we redrooped for about,
Speaker 4: you know, twenty thirty minutes, and then you know the
Speaker 4: stories of all these ifs ands and butts, and you know,
Speaker 4: everybody's you know, taking a little bit of blame for
Speaker 4: kind of what happened and what transpired there. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I think we did everything right.
Speaker 4: Looking back at it, like I wouldn't have changed anything.
Speaker 2: What about No, Yeah, I wouldn't have for sure.
Speaker 3: And you know, you wonder again, like you said, you
Speaker 3: wonder the whole time, you know, start second guessing yourself,
Speaker 3: and you know, sit, would I had done this again
Speaker 3: when I had done that any different?
Speaker 2: But there's just no other option for us to do.
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously, you know, you go back and
Speaker 3: you look at the video, you know, and you're like
Speaker 3: the you know he dropped eight.
Speaker 2: Inches man eight or more.
Speaker 3: So it's like that the shot that that you know,
Speaker 3: that I decided to take was you know, if that,
Speaker 3: if that bull doesn't spook out on that on that bow,
Speaker 3: letting go man like that, that's he's down.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm gonna and I'm gonna rewind to two days before,
Speaker 1: you know, big country music star Luke Combs, you know,
Speaker 1: world renowned comes into camp. You're like, God, can this
Speaker 1: guy shoot a bow? You're like, well, you know, because
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know each other or not.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, this is gonna be a train wreck.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna call us. I don't have to call
Speaker 1: using into eleven or twelve yards for this guy is
Speaker 1: probably we might get lucky and hit it in the hoof,
Speaker 1: you know. And so Luke gets Luke gets the camp
Speaker 1: and shoots at twenty. I'm like, huh, that must have
Speaker 1: been accident because he hit the middle of He hits
Speaker 1: the middle of target and Luke, Luke's phil on this.
Speaker 1: He's like, I want back up to thirty. So back
Speaker 1: up to thirty and I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: have more dead center and the bulls eye and I'm like, huh,
Speaker 1: either got lucky twice in a row. No, this this
Speaker 1: guy can shoot. And I'm like all right, I'm like
Speaker 1: all right, I'm good. Look can shoot whatever he wants
Speaker 1: to shoot, because like, you know, a target of that
Speaker 1: at thirty. So I mean, I want to say, you know,
Speaker 1: you were just taking a shot at fifty because we
Speaker 1: had like you were shooting lights out. Yeah he hit that,
Speaker 1: and we looked at your pin gaps, like your bow
Speaker 1: is shooting fast, and so you're like, I don't have
Speaker 1: a fifty pin. But I'm like, you know, Elk's Elk's death.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, just that forty at the top
Speaker 1: of fifty, like that's going to be And like I say,
Speaker 1: we you know us, we put a piece of tape
Speaker 1: on the video so we could see the drop and
Speaker 1: then you know, if you put the if you put
Speaker 1: a point on the kill spot, his back where you
Speaker 1: hit ends up in that spot. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe him being on alert, but it's like Elk usually
Speaker 1: don't duck the shot. And so you know, you were
Speaker 1: pretty hard on yourself. I didn't know you that well.
Speaker 1: Then I want to give you a big hub hug
Speaker 1: reb your back, make you feel better and you know,
Speaker 1: be motivational, but it's like, hey man, we got to
Speaker 1: wipe that one clean. It wasn't your fault that bulls
Speaker 1: the other thing that I would much rather hit him
Speaker 1: in the strap knowing that boy, and I was able
Speaker 1: from my position to watch that thing walk away the
Speaker 1: whole way and he'd almost had the arrow shook by
Speaker 1: then hardly there was no blood and we we chased
Speaker 1: him the rest that night and he was he was fighting.
Speaker 1: We would have heard him fight for two and.
Speaker 2: A half and he was down and fighting a hour later.
Speaker 1: Big old bull. Because we seen the bull he was
Speaker 1: fighting later that night. And if he was fighting that guy,
Speaker 1: he was still filling his oats.
Speaker 2: So we fall does make you feel better about it, right,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, way better than a gut liver low and you know, cavity,
Speaker 1: he's not going to die from this. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: that was that was night. You know, I guess it
Speaker 1: was technically our second night, first full day, and we
Speaker 1: know we've been in beagles all day. We're able to
Speaker 1: have that opportunity and just had a dang elk that
Speaker 1: wanted to he's like a white tailt drops and out,
Speaker 1: and are there any tips and tricks you've picked up
Speaker 1: that you can relate to whitetail the turkey or do
Speaker 1: you feel like there's still some stuff? You know, if
Speaker 1: you were to come do this on your own, you
Speaker 1: would you know you'd be able.
Speaker 3: To use or I would feel not very confident coming
Speaker 3: on my own, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like there's so much too.
Speaker 3: It's so much like without you guys, without y'all's knowledge
Speaker 3: of the terrain and the and the wind and you
Speaker 3: know how you want to get in and get out.
Speaker 3: And really, I think one thing that was way above
Speaker 3: my pay grade was like knowing how the winds begin
Speaker 3: to shift as this as the sun rises, and as
Speaker 3: when the cloud cover comes in, and as it runs
Speaker 3: through these different drainages and up on these different shelves
Speaker 3: and stuff. Like, Dude, I would be lost out here.
Speaker 3: And I can't help but think this morning that that's
Speaker 3: what's happening when we're busting out by these guys, is
Speaker 3: they have the best of intentions, just like I would
Speaker 3: if I was out here by myself trying to call
Speaker 3: a bully in, And I mean I'd be that guy
Speaker 3: that you're that you're laughing at on the top of
Speaker 3: the ridge, going that just it's just like there's so
Speaker 3: many things that you take years and years and years
Speaker 3: and years of experience to understand. And I'm lucky enough
Speaker 3: to be out here with, you know, two guys that
Speaker 3: know what the hell they're doing one hundred percent, not
Speaker 3: guys that know what they're doing fifty percent, because the
Speaker 3: fifty percent and it's still not being able to get
Speaker 3: it done. That's how hard it is, right Like, So
Speaker 3: I would you know, I mean, obviously I would encourage
Speaker 3: anybody to.
Speaker 2: Get out here and and.
Speaker 3: Do it if you have the opportunity. But I think,
Speaker 3: you know, having a chance to go with somebody who
Speaker 3: really knows what they're doing is a game changer, and
Speaker 3: it saves you a lot of I mean, I think
Speaker 3: the lessons that I learned in the last two three
Speaker 3: days with y'all would have potentially taken me five or six,
Speaker 3: seven or eight seasons to figure out on my own,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I've.
Speaker 2: You skipped so much of that. Oh why do we
Speaker 2: keep busting this powl? Man?
Speaker 3: Like our win was good and we walked in, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's up on this thing, and then now we're
Speaker 3: up here and now he's you know, they're not. It's
Speaker 3: like you check the win when you walk in, and
Speaker 3: then you forget to check it because you're so excited
Speaker 3: about him firing off and he's right there, and then
Speaker 3: you don't even realize. I think it could be so
Speaker 3: easy to fall into bad habits like that. I think
Speaker 3: that that's where I would be. You know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I would definitely not feel comfortable coming out.
Speaker 4: We know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I think it was a reach, but we'll take it.
Speaker 1: I'll take that's like, I think that's the first compliment
Speaker 1: we've got in two days, but we'll take it. If
Speaker 1: that's no, And we wanted you to be included in
Speaker 1: this hut, like it wasn't us taking you honting. Sure,
Speaker 1: and so I think from you know, day one, you
Speaker 1: had more questions. You and Tyler were both like, Hey,
Speaker 1: what happens if this happens? What happened if this happens,
Speaker 1: And then by today i'm your damn you're calling the
Speaker 1: shots like Romeo, I don't think that's what we should do.
Speaker 1: We should do you know, you're joking aside. It's kind
Speaker 1: of funny romero, Me and Luke, I do want to
Speaker 1: say this, Me and Luke can come up with the
Speaker 1: greatest plan, Like I'm bounce and ideas off of him.
Speaker 1: He's bounced ideas off of me, and we're like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. Remember I was like we should
Speaker 1: do the opposite of that, exactly the opposite, like none
Speaker 1: of that should be used, and we're gonna do this
Speaker 1: and we're like what.
Speaker 2: And none of us have been right yet, no, no,
Speaker 2: no matter what.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of kind of funny. But no, you
Speaker 1: I think, you know, seeing even the growth and in
Speaker 1: three days like hey you know this makes sense or
Speaker 1: what about this? And we're like, yeah, that makes we
Speaker 1: could do that. And there's so many decisions being made,
Speaker 1: like you know, you can make thousands of different decisions
Speaker 1: and and so you know, like hey Luke, Luke wants
Speaker 1: to do this, and we both buy in, like that
Speaker 1: could be a let's go do that. We'll try that.
Speaker 1: Besides the truck. We haven't bought into that.
Speaker 3: If you did buy into brunch yesterday though, yeah, we're
Speaker 3: taking and eggs And.
Speaker 4: That was a tough sell. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 4: was tough salve. But we finally got sold on it
Speaker 4: and it's worth it.
Speaker 1: I mean, and into Luke's credit, we took the break.
Speaker 1: What'd we go out and find last night?
Speaker 3: We went out and found a freaking hammer last night,
Speaker 3: freaking giant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just we've all. You got the lay
Speaker 1: eyes on, we got the lay eyes on binoculars, but
Speaker 1: it just wasn't a good.
Speaker 3: Spot, possible spot to get to, possible spot to make
Speaker 3: a play on, like I mean, I feel like we
Speaker 3: really did, and we brought it down to the wire
Speaker 3: just to It's one of those one of those bulls
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know where you're like you do
Speaker 3: anything just to get eyes on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you stay there all night.
Speaker 3: You know there's no chance you're getting a shot at
Speaker 3: that time. I mean, I think after after you know
Speaker 3: once we when we first when you first saw it,
Speaker 3: when you came up and me and him were set
Speaker 3: up on that thing and we saw those cows coming across,
Speaker 3: and you know, Jeremy had called you over to come
Speaker 3: up because we were kind of the cows had kind
Speaker 3: of Pilford out and dude, I remember you glad because
Speaker 3: I dropped my knocks like two three days ago. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not even using these things, you know, I'm just
Speaker 3: taking them off to shoot every time if we get
Speaker 3: set up, so.
Speaker 2: I didn't bring them. I remember you glassing up at this.
Speaker 3: Thing and like you got all gaggy and weird, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, what are we getting into?
Speaker 2: You know, it was like it was wild, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I got nervous at that point because I
Speaker 1: was the only one that seen him, Like, oh I
Speaker 1: her goes Phelps getting all excited, exaggerating, and I'm like, Jeremy,
Speaker 1: you kind of just look and you give the guy
Speaker 1: the eyes like you don't you don't want Luke to
Speaker 1: get crazy yet or get more nervous in your ideas.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's a giant. And so thankfully we made
Speaker 1: the play we needed to. We ran back up the
Speaker 1: road try to get ahead of him.
Speaker 2: And they just they just broke off it in that
Speaker 2: meadow instead of following.
Speaker 1: Him and his fifteen cows. So that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Most of these bulls around here have two three cows.
Speaker 1: This guy's big enough to be running at fifteen right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're just sitting there feed and we got we
Speaker 1: got a really good. Look at him. Just a giant,
Speaker 1: I mean, just one of those amazing public lamd bulls.
Speaker 1: Yeh out here ontime?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I was telling Luke, I said, Man, if we arrow
Speaker 4: this bull, i'mnna be real excited for you, but I'm
Speaker 4: also gonna be a little jealous.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: That's that was it.
Speaker 3: That was awesome man, And I'm I just I hate
Speaker 3: that that happened this morning because we went into that
Speaker 3: same area.
Speaker 1: I had such a good plan.
Speaker 3: And who knows if that I don't think the one
Speaker 3: we were on was that bull, but it was a
Speaker 3: big It was a big bull.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of the fun. Like is it going
Speaker 1: to be?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean obviously they're in here, man, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, It's like wow.
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of people also rush into
Speaker 4: those situations, right. They see a bull of a lifetime
Speaker 4: like that, and regardless of what the wind's doing, regardless
Speaker 4: of how many cows he has, regardless of how open
Speaker 4: it is, they just they rush in, right, and they
Speaker 4: just blow their chances forever.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow the next day that you just never have a chance.
Speaker 4: To trust me, every bit of me wanted to do
Speaker 4: that you know, like at least see like, at least
Speaker 4: see how.
Speaker 2: Right happens and we get close, you know, but you you.
Speaker 4: Get into those positions, and you know, we've been fortunate
Speaker 4: enough to be in enough of them where anything we
Speaker 4: do isn't gonna work right, and so you have to
Speaker 4: make that call of backing out. You have to make
Speaker 4: that call of let's leave it for another day, you know, regroup, restrategize,
Speaker 4: plan for a different scenario. And you know, this morning scenario,
Speaker 4: whether it was or wasn't, that bull was was you know,
Speaker 4: what we planned for, what was strategized on, and it
Speaker 4: would it would have worked out. But god, there's nothing
Speaker 4: more frustrating than than leaving a bull like that, right,
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 3: It's like and knowing it's like, well, we can't go
Speaker 3: after him tonight, you know, yeah, already he's already spooked
Speaker 3: out and freaked out.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like and you know, those guys might be back
Speaker 3: in there this evening, and it's all those trucks and stuff.
Speaker 3: And then we saw more people showing up like we
Speaker 3: thought it would. We thought it would kind of cool
Speaker 3: off to take this Monday, you know, like it seems
Speaker 3: like everybody that was working on the weekend is out.
Speaker 1: All the caloriers come up here to get the horseback
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 4: It's like what the I at the county fair and
Speaker 4: the rodo what Luke said, you know earlier, he said
Speaker 4: that he wouldn't know quite what to do if he
Speaker 4: was out here. But he and I were talking earlier,
Speaker 4: and I think in the last forty eight hours he's
Speaker 4: learned quite a bit to where, you know, like that
Speaker 4: situation yesterday afternoon, I'm pretty sure he was the first
Speaker 4: one that was like, hey, there's probably nothing we can
Speaker 4: do here, right we got we got to back out.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just impossible. I mean that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like I wish everybody could see just beyond,
Speaker 3: you know, the other side of what we're seeing right here.
Speaker 1: But it's just like.
Speaker 3: I mean, I really think if, for you know, if
Speaker 3: we're standing here and we heard when Bugo on the
Speaker 3: top of this now while we're filming this thing, what's
Speaker 3: your best option right now? There's not really wait for
Speaker 3: him to go away and then try to get up there.
Speaker 3: Right It's like you can't you can't pull him down
Speaker 3: here because he can just see everything.
Speaker 2: He can stand on the thing. Well, there's not any
Speaker 2: elk down there, but it sounds like there is, but there.
Speaker 3: Is no I can see I can Yeah, it's like
Speaker 3: there's no there's no guessing on his part.
Speaker 1: You can see Tyler back there, lurking in a tree.
Speaker 2: Just what did you hear me say? He said? He said,
Speaker 2: he's he's never too far, never too close, never too far,
Speaker 2: and never too close. Yeah, that should be.
Speaker 3: Your motto, dude, never too far and ever too trade market,
Speaker 3: the trade market.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So no, we've got a day left. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do everything everything we can in our power to make
Speaker 1: this happen, all of us, everybody here on on the side.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it feels a little cooler. We got
Speaker 1: some cloud cover which was like the great day we
Speaker 1: had that, so really excited for tonight. But let's switch
Speaker 1: gears a little bit and get into Luke Comb's hunting
Speaker 1: and how it kind of ties into some of your
Speaker 1: music and you know, you're starting to get more and
Speaker 1: more references in your song lyrics that you mentioned. It's
Speaker 1: becoming a bigger piece of your life. You're keeping a
Speaker 1: and maybe it's too personal. This can get cut out,
Speaker 1: like keeping a diary for your kids, like just a
Speaker 1: hunt journal. So what does honey mean to you? When
Speaker 1: did you start? Kind of give us a little background
Speaker 1: on that and just in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really started, I don't know, I guess probably
Speaker 3: eight years ago now and have it's been kind of
Speaker 3: just become obsessed with it, you know really, you know
Speaker 3: obviously my you know, my, what I do for a
Speaker 3: living is very uh sensory overload, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like it's just a lot of one place to the next,
Speaker 3: to this place to that place, and in this car
Speaker 3: and into this place and doing interviews and doing photo
Speaker 3: shoots and shoot music videos and in the studio.
Speaker 2: And writing songs and it never ends, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think these trips for me, you know, hunting
Speaker 3: started out as a way to kind of it's the
Speaker 3: complete antithesis of that, right Like it does ultimately, it
Speaker 3: does culminate with some super climax, high intensity moment if
Speaker 3: everything goes right, But like the lead up, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like everything about it is very I don't know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of calming elements too, like the whole process, right,
Speaker 3: Like you know, if like if you're pumped to go hunting,
Speaker 3: to shoot an animal. It's like you're I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the end goal, but it's like just there would
Speaker 3: you would leave feeling empty if you showed up and
Speaker 3: then you shot an animal and that.
Speaker 2: Was the end.
Speaker 3: And it all ended right, like, you know, spending time
Speaker 3: outside and being with you know, like minded people, and
Speaker 3: I've also learned a tremendous amount of life lessons from
Speaker 3: being out here right.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I was talking with you earlier when we were in
Speaker 3: the tent when this was all getting set up, and
Speaker 3: talking about how, you know, the music stuff for me
Speaker 3: has always come really naturally, you know, and not that
Speaker 3: it wasn't you know, really difficult, and that it's not
Speaker 3: a lot of work, and it is all that, but it's.
Speaker 2: Never felt like I never felt.
Speaker 3: Like I had a lot to overcome in the sense
Speaker 3: of and I guess that I did, but it just
Speaker 3: never felt that way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's something that I was naturally good at, and I
Speaker 3: really always believed in myself and my ability to do that,
Speaker 3: and once I decided I was going to do that
Speaker 3: for a living, it seemed like I didn't really hit
Speaker 3: a lot of setbacks, you know, just the way my
Speaker 3: story kind of played out.
Speaker 2: I'm very thankful for that.
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky, but you know, I'm you know, we've
Speaker 3: talked about a little bit on this trip that I'm
Speaker 3: gonna showing a bit of a cold streak in the
Speaker 3: woods man, like.
Speaker 2: Like the bull dropping.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've I've had some some other hunts
Speaker 3: that just kind of everything you do everything the right way,
Speaker 3: and then it doesn't work out, you know, the way
Speaker 3: that that it's supposed to, and I mean even down
Speaker 3: to the you know, the eleventh hour. You know, like
Speaker 3: I've had stuff recently where I'm like, we're already celebrating
Speaker 3: and then it's it doesn't go away that you think
Speaker 3: that it's going to go. And so I've learned a
Speaker 3: lot through those experiences, right that that not you know,
Speaker 3: just because you do everything you can, and you you
Speaker 3: prepare the best that you possibly can, and you do
Speaker 3: everything you feel like the right way, and you're coming
Speaker 3: on these you know, public land hunts and you know,
Speaker 3: I could probably afford to go do whatever hunt I
Speaker 3: wanted to, but I don't want to do that, you know,
Speaker 3: I want I want it to be a challenge.
Speaker 2: I want it to be difficult. I want there to
Speaker 2: be you know, I want it to be.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't can't say I want to go
Speaker 3: hike to the top of the Himalayan mountains, but.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, I don't want it
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: I don't want to just sitting in front of a
Speaker 3: you know, in front of a big pile of apples
Speaker 3: and they go, well, that's you know, this is you know,
Speaker 3: Razor Blade's going to walk out in five.
Speaker 2: Minutes, you know what I mean, and you're gonna shoot it.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm just not interested in that, you know.
Speaker 3: So, But yeah, I keep that journal man, and it
Speaker 3: helps me kind of especially through this, through this kind
Speaker 3: of last year. I guess that's it's been really tough
Speaker 3: for me, at least big game wise, it's been. It's
Speaker 3: been tough for me. I've had a great Turkey season
Speaker 3: this year. I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: You know, Turkey Woods seems like the only thing that
Speaker 3: keep me coming back right now. You know, it hasn't
Speaker 3: been a lot of it hasn't hasn't been a lot
Speaker 3: of good outcomes anywhere else. And but I keep that
Speaker 3: journal really, you know, I me and my friends talk
Speaker 3: about it a lot that I go hunt with you know,
Speaker 3: Dan and Reid. They have a podcas guest meet and
Speaker 3: I've been hunting with those guys for years and they're
Speaker 3: some of my best friends.
Speaker 2: And you know there they.
Speaker 3: Grew up hunting and their dad hunts, and so they're like, man,
Speaker 3: I just I wish I had I wish my dad would.
Speaker 2: Have done that, you know.
Speaker 3: I wish I could go back and read all my
Speaker 3: dad's you know, the days that he was miserable and
Speaker 3: the days that he was you know that he got
Speaker 3: the biggest ear of his life. I wish I could
Speaker 3: have all that stuff, you know. And so my wife
Speaker 3: bought me that book a few years ago for Christmas,
Speaker 3: I think around twenty nineteen, and just this Elk Hunt's
Speaker 3: going to be the last pages of my first first
Speaker 3: journal that will be completely filled up. So I'm excited
Speaker 3: about about starting the next one and hopefully we can
Speaker 3: get we can get something done and there'll be something
Speaker 3: good in the end of that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we're gonna do everything we can. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we you know, got to know Luke, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a you know, a big country music singer
Speaker 1: prior to this. You know, hopefully be able to call
Speaker 1: my friend for life now after this. But one thing
Speaker 1: I've noticed about just walking around the woods, like very
Speaker 1: family oriented, Like we see like a random bone. He's like, man, like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait till my kid asked me about what
Speaker 1: that is. You know, It's like I feel like it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a little cliche, but it's like, man,
Speaker 1: he's here for the you know, you're doing this for
Speaker 1: the right reasons and thinking about the future and a big,
Speaker 1: big family man. And you know, the last album Father
Speaker 1: and Sons, you know, and and some of your other
Speaker 1: music you talk about hunting, you know, hunting by myself again,
Speaker 1: which maybe a little you know, metaphor about your kids
Speaker 1: grown up, but it does tie it back into hunting.
Speaker 1: Do you do you get any I'm gonna rewind a
Speaker 1: little bit. Sure, We've we've had some conversations on these
Speaker 1: hunts that kind of lead to this. You've you mentioned
Speaker 1: that throughout your career you've been able to maintain a
Speaker 1: lot of creative that is there ever, any pressure from
Speaker 1: from any not to sing about hunting, Like is are
Speaker 1: you just you have that creative where it's like, we
Speaker 1: don't care if you talk about hunting.
Speaker 2: I've never had anything.
Speaker 3: You know, there's times when we've you know, there's times
Speaker 3: in the writing room where you know, we've come up
Speaker 3: and we're like, man, you know, maybe it's like you
Speaker 3: don't talk about it in this song just because it
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, or sometimes like I think, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the guys that I'm friends with, you know,
Speaker 3: we all kind of hunt you know, not every guy
Speaker 3: I'm friends with, but most of the guys I'm really
Speaker 3: close with we do. So we all have that in common.
Speaker 3: And like we've been joking this whole week about you know, oh,
Speaker 3: they're just up that draw or the gut or the cut.
Speaker 3: There's a hundred different names for like a little valley
Speaker 3: with the creek, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 3: and it's like some of the lingo is so specific
Speaker 3: that I feel like and when I'm writing a song,
Speaker 3: it's like I try to not say the same stuff
Speaker 3: in the same way that everybody else does. And I'm
Speaker 3: sure people will shred me apart from saying that, and
Speaker 3: they'll find every song I've done that somebody else has
Speaker 3: said something.
Speaker 2: But it's like when you try to reference Hunting, it
Speaker 2: it's like it is.
Speaker 3: Even amongst country music, where it would be most prevalent,
Speaker 3: it still can be at a deep level.
Speaker 2: It's it's still a niche thing, right, Like.
Speaker 3: You can't talk about climbing over the saddle to get
Speaker 3: your wind, right because like nobody's gonna know what that is,
Speaker 3: what that is Like there's ten guys that are like,
Speaker 3: oh I got and like for them or right here,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like so I but I know, I've
Speaker 3: never had any pressure from anyone to say, don't do that.
Speaker 3: I think hunting songs can be because I I I
Speaker 3: do feel like that hunting gets a bad rap from
Speaker 3: from a lot of people, and that, you know, that
Speaker 3: kind of makes me upset a little bit because it's
Speaker 3: something that I value so much, and I do think
Speaker 3: that it has, you.
Speaker 2: Know, a lot of it gets a lot of bad press.
Speaker 3: It has a lot of bad pr from a lot
Speaker 3: of people that maybe don't know a lot about it
Speaker 3: or a lot about a lot of things that that
Speaker 3: kind of are in that world. But I've never had
Speaker 3: anyone say don't don't sing about it or or don't
Speaker 3: you know, write about it, or don't talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, I'm lucky to be
Speaker 3: in a genre that does I know, you know, me
Speaker 3: and Steve have talked about it. He knows some people
Speaker 3: that hunt and they don't know anyone else that hunts,
Speaker 3: and they're just they feel kind of lost because they know.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine like loving hunting and not having any
Speaker 2: hunting buddies.
Speaker 3: That would just be like the worst, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's like, right, like that's like to be
Speaker 3: like seventy five percent of going.
Speaker 4: It's like, God, I've just been outside and you have
Speaker 4: no one to share with.
Speaker 3: And like going to like going with people and like
Speaker 3: sitting around drinking you know, whiskey out of a freaking
Speaker 3: coffee cup. You know, it's like that's the that's the
Speaker 3: good stuff, you know what I mean. It's like that's
Speaker 3: the stuff that I feel like. Those are the stories
Speaker 3: ultimately that you know, that you end up telling, right,
Speaker 3: like you right, you hang your mount on the wall.
Speaker 3: But I find myself, you know, telling stories about me
Speaker 3: and my something funny that happened to my buddy on
Speaker 3: that hunt, as opposed to you know, when we shot
Speaker 3: that what whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, so yeah, no, I've never gotten that pressure before,
Speaker 3: but I could see I'm sure that there are people
Speaker 3: who probably have to be honest, you know, I but
Speaker 3: just the way my my things kind of set up,
Speaker 3: it's like no one's ever really had you know, no
Speaker 3: one's ever really ever had that dominion to like they
Speaker 3: don't do this or don't do that, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. But I'm sure that I'm sure that that's
Speaker 3: happened to people before.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like I said, I I you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of sit back some some hunting references are
Speaker 1: a little bit cringe, but it's like you listen, like
Speaker 1: hunting by yourself again, You're like, it's got a metaphorical meaning.
Speaker 1: It's more about watching your kids grow up, right than
Speaker 1: it is hunting. But it's like, oh, you found a
Speaker 1: cool way to mix that in.
Speaker 3: The hunting the hunting songs, man, We've I've heard there
Speaker 3: are some really bad ones out there, dude, I mean
Speaker 3: there's some really bad ones.
Speaker 2: And it's like it's such a razor's edge.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you said that again because I was
Speaker 3: trying to kind of circle back to that, and my
Speaker 3: last talking point.
Speaker 2: Was it's not that you don't want to write about it.
Speaker 2: But you have to.
Speaker 3: It's such a razor's edge between complete cringey garbage and
Speaker 3: like something that's well done enough, but that a lot
Speaker 3: of people can understand. Like if you did it really well,
Speaker 3: there wouldn't be a lot of people who could could
Speaker 3: you know, glob onto it and relate.
Speaker 2: To it, because it's all so specific, it's all knowledge based,
Speaker 2: it's all you know. So it's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 2: write a good hunting song, it really is. It's very difficult.
Speaker 1: So hunting mainly turkey, mainly white tail the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. You came out in twenty one with Steve.
Speaker 1: That was your first Western big game. You were able
Speaker 1: to take a pronghorn Wyoming.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: We also talked at red stag on in New Zealand. Yep,
Speaker 1: on stag in New Zealand. So is there was there?
Speaker 1: Is there? Like is an Eastern hunter? You know, we
Speaker 1: we all live out west, so we we live and
Speaker 1: breathe mule, deer, out blacktail. And is it like aspirational
Speaker 1: for a guy like you to come out west and
Speaker 1: some more of these species? Is just something you want
Speaker 1: to mix in? Is it like you see yourself coming
Speaker 1: out west? More to hunt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I definitely would would would would love
Speaker 3: to do that. You know, obviously these hunts require a
Speaker 3: lot more time. You know, they're a lot more scheduled.
Speaker 3: The tagging is a nightmare, you know, getting a tag,
Speaker 3: drawing a tag, or you know, spinning a arm and
Speaker 3: a leg on a landowner tag. It's like, there's so
Speaker 3: many hurdles to hunting out here, and I think even
Speaker 3: a guy in my position who would have almost unlimited
Speaker 3: resources to make it happen, it's still intimidating. So I
Speaker 3: can't imagine what it's like being a regular guy, you know,
Speaker 3: working a forty hour week job and trying to get
Speaker 3: one of these ones in a lifetime tags and then
Speaker 3: coming in here and spending your vacation time to come
Speaker 3: do this hunt and then walking away empty handed. Like
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine how hard that would be to do.
Speaker 3: It's definitely something that I would want to do more.
Speaker 3: But they're you know, at times, you you know, you
Speaker 3: struggle with guilt. To me, I'm completely honest, like you
Speaker 3: struggle with some guilt of like, man, like, there's so
Speaker 3: many people that would love to be doing this hunt.
Speaker 3: It almost feels wrong that I've gotten to come in
Speaker 3: and like this is where I'm starting at, you know,
Speaker 3: like tag of a freaking lifetime, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: to come in and have the opportunity to be out
Speaker 3: here in the spot with you guys. And but yeah,
Speaker 3: it's something I would love to do, to do more
Speaker 3: for sure, But I do want it to not be
Speaker 3: I do want it to be special, right.
Speaker 2: I don't want it to be like.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna just go buy a bunch of tags,
Speaker 3: and you know, I would love to, you know, I
Speaker 3: would love to because realistically, right like I'm never going
Speaker 3: to live in you know, Wyoming or you know, it's
Speaker 3: just never gonna happen for me, you know, with my
Speaker 3: job and my family and stuff. So you don't want
Speaker 3: to get too addicted to something that I'm not going
Speaker 3: to have access.
Speaker 2: To, you know what I mean? Like that often, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I try to enjoy it while I'm out here
Speaker 3: and and you know, maximize you know, my chances to
Speaker 3: be out here and do it.
Speaker 2: But am I ever going to be a guy that's
Speaker 2: you know, coming out hunting and out by myself? Probably not.
Speaker 2: I would love to be. I just don't know if
Speaker 2: that's realistic for me.
Speaker 4: You know, well, I think you know, leading up to this,
Speaker 4: Jason and I we were hunting a little bit, uh,
Speaker 4: just two of us, and uh, I think it goes
Speaker 4: without saying, but I'm gonna say that anyways. Like just uh,
Speaker 4: the amount of respect that we have for you coming
Speaker 4: out grinding doing it public land, like all the variables
Speaker 4: that could go wrong, we've we've experienced, they have everything
Speaker 4: that has Yeah, I mean you're you're optimistic about it.
Speaker 4: You know, you're you're hungry out here. You want to
Speaker 4: you know what, you want to get up and get
Speaker 4: after it. And I, I, you know, I have a
Speaker 4: lot of respect for somebody who's who's willing to go
Speaker 4: through that the highs, the lows, the in betweens and
Speaker 4: and get after public Land out because there really is nothing,
Speaker 4: you know, more difficult than than hunting big game. I'm
Speaker 4: sure there are people are going to say that, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, doing an expedition in Antarcy or something like that,
Speaker 4: but like there, you know, it's it's it's difficult to
Speaker 4: come out here and do this. You know, it's difficult
Speaker 4: to come out here, commit the time away from your
Speaker 4: family as you were just mentioning, you know, and then
Speaker 4: have all these different possibilities that can go against you
Speaker 4: out here on public land. You know, I think it's
Speaker 4: a great way to to to start, you know, you
Speaker 4: initiate yourself and kind of l hunting and Western big
Speaker 4: game hunting on public land. And I I'm glad you
Speaker 4: you chose to go that route.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Man. It's been so
Speaker 2: much fun.
Speaker 1: Really, I you know, it's the video eventually come out,
Speaker 1: this podcast come up for the video, But I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've stopped laughing or how many how many
Speaker 1: of the how many of Luke's jokes are gonna make
Speaker 1: the cut. But when his music career is over, you
Speaker 1: guys will see him at the comedy clubs. Make you
Speaker 1: He'll be doing those tours. It's too niche. I think
Speaker 1: the humor is too niche.
Speaker 4: I don't think We're walking down the trail and it's
Speaker 4: like I have to I have to like gathered myself.
Speaker 4: I was like remind myself that we're hunting, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could be laughing all daying day. I'm
Speaker 4: just on the back.
Speaker 5: I'm even going to get on any elk because you
Speaker 5: guys are being so loud, We're chuckling.
Speaker 2: We're just chuckling at We're trying to drum them up,
Speaker 2: trying to drumb them up.
Speaker 1: So and I know some of these answers, So it's
Speaker 1: I'm asking a question I know the answer to because
Speaker 1: we've talked about over the last couple of days. But
Speaker 1: you know, how I was hunting kind of changed. You know,
Speaker 1: eight years ago you made the decision I want to
Speaker 1: start hunting. You know, whether it was friends, but it
Speaker 1: was it a connection to where your food comes from?
Speaker 1: Was it a pastime you were just interested in you
Speaker 1: didn't get the chance. And then how's that kind of changed?
Speaker 1: You know, changed you you know, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's a little bit of both, right,
Speaker 3: Like you know, a lot of my a lot of
Speaker 3: my buddies were doing it, and I had some I
Speaker 3: had some interest in, you know, you know God that
Speaker 3: you know, they all felt like I all felt like
Speaker 3: they knew what they were doing and stuff, and so
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I you know, I'd love to go.
Speaker 3: And you know, the first hunt I ever went on
Speaker 3: was a turkey hunt with my buddy Ray. We went
Speaker 3: down to you Wardia where he lives and got the
Speaker 3: hunt on you know, the land he grew up hunting
Speaker 3: on and stuff, and just hearing the freaking tree gobbles
Speaker 3: in the morning and stuff, and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: that's like I could.
Speaker 2: Get into this.
Speaker 3: You know, Ray's dad gave me a slate call on
Speaker 3: that trip that I still got that'll still use, you know,
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think that was that was the
Speaker 3: morning that got me hooked on it.
Speaker 2: Right. You know, we didn't get a turkey that day
Speaker 2: or anything. I don't even know if we really.
Speaker 3: Saw they saw one on the on the ground, right,
Speaker 3: you know, we heard a couple of goblin in the
Speaker 3: trees and stuff. But that got me the itch to
Speaker 3: want to go back and continued to continue to pursue
Speaker 3: that and I was able to get my first tear
Speaker 3: at my buddy Jonathan's house, who uh you know, produces
Speaker 3: my records with me and we write together a lot.
Speaker 3: And he loves to hunt, you know, white tail. He's
Speaker 3: a big white tail turkey, you know, just a Southeast hunter.
Speaker 3: You know, I called him Southeast hunter turkey whitetail. Maybe
Speaker 3: be shoot a dove if you know, if they got
Speaker 3: a buddy that's got some flower field or something, you know,
Speaker 3: not somebody that you know is going to be packing
Speaker 3: an elkout and you know, out in the middle of
Speaker 3: Alaska or something. But you know, same difference, you know,
Speaker 3: And so you know then I do love to cook too, right,
Speaker 3: So then it becomes access to, you know, things that
Speaker 3: you would never be able to get if you weren't
Speaker 3: out doing it yourself, you know, and being able to
Speaker 3: share those recipes with you know, share those meals with
Speaker 3: my parents, you know who. You know, my dad did't
Speaker 3: hunt growing up. You know, he grew up in the
Speaker 3: rust belt of Ohio, you know, so they weren't you know,
Speaker 3: hunting or nothing. You know, dad was his dad was
Speaker 3: a truck driver, and they just didn't hunt.
Speaker 2: Just wasn't part of growing up for them.
Speaker 3: And to be able to eat that food with them,
Speaker 3: and you know, obviously it look forward now to you know,
Speaker 3: to bringing my kids into it is something I'm really
Speaker 3: excited about having an experience with.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's just I'm glad I found it.
Speaker 3: Right, It's like a you know, because music's always been
Speaker 3: you know, my number one passion, right, you know, and
Speaker 3: not that it still isn't.
Speaker 2: But it's also my job now too, right.
Speaker 3: So it's like you have to you have to work
Speaker 3: to have the separation between that you know, doing you know,
Speaker 3: I love for the love of the game music stuff
Speaker 3: Like when I'm in the room writing a song, you know,
Speaker 3: or when I'm on stage singing it.
Speaker 2: Those are the times that you really love it. Everything
Speaker 2: else feels like work, right, Like nothing with hunting to
Speaker 2: me feels like work at all. Right.
Speaker 3: It's just something I love doing and something enjoy and
Speaker 3: and it's not something that you can do anytime, which
Speaker 3: I think is what makes it special too, right, Like
Speaker 3: you can't go, well, I think.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'm gonna go hunt a rut and elk.
Speaker 3: You know. It's like just these magical little windows, you know,
Speaker 3: of the year that you have the chance to do that.
Speaker 3: That's what I love about Turkey Out so much as
Speaker 3: it's you know, you got six weeks man to get
Speaker 3: it done, you know, and if you don't, then you're
Speaker 3: not gonna get a chance to until next.
Speaker 2: Year, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's the thing that I think draws me back
Speaker 3: to it is, you know, these really awesome opportunities that
Speaker 3: you don't you can't just go do whenever you want.
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, I can just go play golf
Speaker 3: tomorrow if I feel like playing golf tomorrow. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not not that way. You know, having the opportunity
Speaker 3: to you know, chase a you know, a huge white
Speaker 3: tails and Iowa or something like that that may ultimately
Speaker 3: be once in a lifetime experience for me, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's the thing I think makes it cool.
Speaker 1: It makes it cool always, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I think also too for you, it can be very
Speaker 5: therapeutic from your lifestyle to being so busy and entertaining
Speaker 5: and being in front of the camera and just the
Speaker 5: crazy lifestyle that you live, to being in the blind
Speaker 5: or a tree center out in the woods with no
Speaker 5: selles service, and you know, getting to share the experience
Speaker 5: of these guys and getting to know them and lifelong friends.
Speaker 5: For sure, I think it's very therapeutic attempts.
Speaker 2: To no doubt, no doubt it is. Yeah. Yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been a kick, and we still got I still
Speaker 1: got a day left. So I want to let everybody know,
Speaker 1: if you don't already know, you're gonna be your touring
Speaker 1: back in Australia, New Zealand, just Australia or both Australia
Speaker 1: and New Zealand twenty twenty five. So this is probably
Speaker 1: where you're gonna sell most of your tickets to Resistance podcast,
Speaker 1: so you can thank me now or later, yeah, later,
Speaker 1: fucking out later. You have a huge following in Australia
Speaker 1: and New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Later, We'll do it later.
Speaker 1: Okay. I've got like probably like three or four listeners
Speaker 1: from Australia and New Zealand. That's it. That's four, three
Speaker 1: or four takes going to help you out, all right?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna and I know the answer this is already.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take time to hunt while you're down there
Speaker 1: again like you were last time.
Speaker 2: I was, I was going to, I was really gonna
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: We were doing everything we wanted to, you know, everything
Speaker 3: to try to make that happen, and it's just gonna
Speaker 3: be in the.
Speaker 2: Middle of summer, you know.
Speaker 3: And the strange thing about hunting down there is there's
Speaker 3: really not any regulations at all, so you could go
Speaker 3: hunt right It says the clear opposite of what we
Speaker 3: just talked about, Like you can't do it whenever you
Speaker 3: want but it's like it just it's just going to
Speaker 3: be one hundred degrees. The animals are all just going
Speaker 3: to be lethargic and just laid up somewhere, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's just like it's just not something that you know,
Speaker 3: you know, you want to go when the magic's happening, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like and so yeah, unfortunately
Speaker 3: now won't be going up to I'm sad to say
Speaker 3: that I won't be going, but you know, it would
Speaker 3: just be again one of those things like you wanted
Speaker 3: the experience to be right too. You know, it's not
Speaker 3: just about going over there and shooting something, which you
Speaker 3: could do if you want to. You know, I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's guys that do that, but it's just not for me,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: So it's no hunting eight eight stops, eight four stops,
Speaker 1: eight shows, eight four stops, four stops, eight shows. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: cha be you have and you have a I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're if I'm supposed to Ben announce this,
Speaker 1: it's just pretty light year next year, right twenty.
Speaker 3: Pretty light, pretty light, be pretty light somewhere in that
Speaker 3: somewhere in that neighborhood. But some but some cool shows
Speaker 3: there's some cool shows in there that we haven't announced.
Speaker 1: All right, so scratch it, scratch it, leave it, take
Speaker 1: it off.
Speaker 2: Say that all right.
Speaker 1: After the podcast, Like I told you that you supposed
Speaker 1: anything you want to you guys want to close with anything.
Speaker 1: One thing I do want to say is I and
Speaker 1: this is leading into this hunt.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Comb is coming on the hunt, you know,
Speaker 1: tons of pressure Me and Jerremy. I gotta get the
Speaker 1: you know, figure this out, you know. And then Luke
Speaker 1: gives me the old cliche line like don't worry. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just hunting, you know. We don't worry about
Speaker 1: killing anything, you know. I just want to go have
Speaker 1: fun and have a good experience. And I've seen him
Speaker 1: through all that bs you know originally, but no, it's
Speaker 1: truly like I and this is probably the least of
Speaker 1: the accodes. He's like it's authentic though, Like once I
Speaker 1: got on you know, feet on the ground, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: Luke's Luke's a good dude. Like he's not like looking
Speaker 1: for us to hand deliver and elk to him, Like
Speaker 1: he's truly is here for the experience. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: We're trying to kill elk Sure I can see that
Speaker 1: fire in his idea. We're trying to kill. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: trying to.
Speaker 4: I think it's part of his reverse psychology. He's like, nah,
Speaker 4: you just want to come up with good time hang out.
Speaker 1: He needs to kill now, and we're doing it the
Speaker 1: hard way. Like you know, Walt Tent sleeping on a cot,
Speaker 1: eating out of a camp chef store.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, somebody, get the thing. Dave grabbed
Speaker 3: the thing. Grab the grab the thing. You know what
Speaker 3: he's getting you know, Yeah, he's grabbing it.
Speaker 1: Grab this is this is the biggest luxury we've had, we've.
Speaker 2: Had on the whole trip. He's grabbing it for us
Speaker 2: right now, Cameraman, Dave Hero.
Speaker 1: This changed it from like a two star rating to
Speaker 1: like a four star rating. Yeah, this is one we
Speaker 1: got to get from you.
Speaker 4: Once we got adjusted to and got the he got.
Speaker 2: The right key.
Speaker 4: Yeah, once the height was adjusted and this is.
Speaker 2: How Yeah, there we go. Bring it in here for
Speaker 2: the folks. Areas give it up for day.
Speaker 1: Everybody like this, This old gal right here, I spent
Speaker 1: a lot of good time with her.
Speaker 5: Oh Man, just digging a hole and glad he didn't
Speaker 5: get eaten by a wolf last night we.
Speaker 3: Saw Yeah, yeah, there was a chance that that some
Speaker 3: of us were going to get attacked by wolves.
Speaker 1: The super endangered wolves that we've seen and that we've
Speaker 1: seen heard two different every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, listen, you gotta you gotta hike forty
Speaker 4: you know, at least.
Speaker 2: See them because they're so isolated.
Speaker 4: And then you know, hike this thing back forty miles.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was tough, was all.
Speaker 2: It was a hall for sure, but it worked out.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we did it. This this thing has been.
Speaker 4: We're gonna this around squatty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is the highlight of trip.
Speaker 2: This is communion right here. Man.
Speaker 3: You know, you could have put a patent on it
Speaker 3: before this this thing. This thing's been busy, dude. I mean,
Speaker 3: this thing has gotten some some miles put on it
Speaker 3: on this trip. There's no doubt.
Speaker 2: It's like like chili cook off Fort John like level
Speaker 2: of abuse out of this thing.
Speaker 4: It almost wasn't here, and you almost didn't bring it,
Speaker 4: almost didn't bring it.
Speaker 1: What would we have done?
Speaker 2: I had a dot of a ballobstruction, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just there would have been no same.
Speaker 4: It was shoved in the truck.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was on the side of not bringing it.
Speaker 3: Your dad like forced you to bring it, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you're bringing it. People are gonna want it.
Speaker 4: Yeah we don't, we don't everybody and then somehow ended
Speaker 4: up in the truck. So I'm like, we're gonna roll
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean there their mornings were lines
Speaker 1: for him to get on this thing there on this right.
Speaker 2: Like shovel like best in the shovel, Like everybody's waiting
Speaker 2: for this in the shovel.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like space mountain or something like everybody's
Speaker 2: wanting to get to go before we get out in
Speaker 2: the woods, you know.
Speaker 1: In closing, anything you want to add, Luke, it's been
Speaker 1: it's been a blast. I've had an absolute great time.
Speaker 1: It's it's been awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those are guessing b roller snapping after this and
Speaker 2: we'll be good. Yeah, I think we're good.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be important recipe ingredient to this recipe killing
Speaker 1: health tonight. Anything you want to add, Tyler.
Speaker 5: It's just been an awesome experience so far, getting to
Speaker 5: know you guys and watching how you guys go about
Speaker 5: things and and learning hearing you guys call and just
Speaker 5: being in them and hearing the behgles.
Speaker 2: It's been once in a lifetime experience.
Speaker 5: And appreciate you guys for dragging us along.
Speaker 4: It's it's been awesome anything Jeremy, Yeah, I mean I'll
Speaker 4: just echo that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's a I've had some good times out in the
Speaker 4: the sticks and this is one of the top. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I've been having a blast.
Speaker 2: We have to work too, Yeah, Well mission's not over, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, but we'll get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm going to close with Luke gaming analogy
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use from here on out, just trying to
Speaker 1: take this all in. Like growing up, I wanted to
Speaker 1: kill every elk on the mountain as fast as I could,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know now it's like I love to
Speaker 1: just sit back enjoy the opportunity. Yeah, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: phelps everybody. And at times I feel all kinds of
Speaker 1: weight on my shoulder, like you're Jason phelps, you build
Speaker 1: elk calls, you just kill an elk on every trip
Speaker 1: And this isn't I'm not making an excuse. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to get to know for sure. I'm just enjoying
Speaker 1: the trip. Like I'm hear an Elk bugle every morning
Speaker 1: every day. We may not be getting on them, we
Speaker 1: may not be calling everyone in, but I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just enjoying the entire experience, you know, hunting with Luke
Speaker 1: and Tyler and Jeremy and even the crew. You know,
Speaker 1: we laugh, we joke. Everybody's adding to it, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's been a very very fun trip. But Luke
Speaker 1: boiled it all down to It's like when you're in college,
Speaker 1: you want Kirkland, I say, Kirkland. See Koklin Beer. It's
Speaker 1: the cheapest beer you can get, the beer beer. You know,
Speaker 1: you want to just drink those as fast as you
Speaker 1: can versus now fast forward fifteen years. You just want
Speaker 1: one good beer. Yeah, And so it's like i want
Speaker 1: to enjoy it, you know, And that's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do here is just have a great time. Take
Speaker 1: in everything I can, you know, taking all the sights,
Speaker 1: the smells, the sounds, everything that these hunts have to give.
Speaker 1: And can't you know, couldn't be more stoked to put
Speaker 1: another day and a half in and see if we
Speaker 1: can't find the success that we all are still after
Speaker 1: for sure. Sure so appreciate having you guys on. Thanks
Speaker 1: for having to go warm up my cot. Yeah, taking
Speaker 1: that all right. Take care
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