WEBVTT - Ep. 106: Luke Combs' New Mexico Elk Hunt 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.120 September maybe over, but that doesn't mean you need to 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.359 put your elk calls away just yet. They can effectively 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.920 be used through October and even into November. Now, you 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:10.560 may not want to be biggling your head off out 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.680 there this time of year, but instead, let's use some 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.320 subtle beagles to maybe locate some milk. Let's use those 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.400 calf and cow calls to locate other cows or just 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.520 put them at ease, or well, let's use a call 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.479 to stop an elk for a shot. We've developed a 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.919 call kit specifically for what we use in these later 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.480 elk seasons that has everything you need. 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We're out in the 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.200 Hila National Forest chasing elk the middle of September, and 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.200 I've got some special guests, multiple guests. The one and 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:32.520 only Luke Combs up, Tyler Carlson, which is Luke's bodyguard. Yes, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:38.039 we've got Jeremy Romero. Thanks for having me and myself here. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.959 We've been hunting. Luke was here for a little little 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.399 stint in his calendar that he could run out here 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.119 and hunt elk with us. We're gonna make the best 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.040 of three and a half days. And we still got 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:48.720 a day left. But this is about our last time 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.920 to record a podcast. So we're sitting here and getting 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:52.760 after beautiful stadium. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.760 Yet now here you great. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.760 We got some nice some horseback right riders back here, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.520 people pushing cattle around. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.120 The biggest downside to that was that was like our 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.480 plan for tonight. Yeah, and he came rolling. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.120 Here and we're like, man, this is gonna be great, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.840 just hunting right behind camp. And then here comes John 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.040 Wayne plugging down the right through the middle of horse. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:17.400 Yeah, it was good. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.480 That was That's made me hopeful just after getting blown 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.359 out by those guys this morning. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:22.920 That was great. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.040 You know, No, it's been awesome. You know, we've been 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.840 hunting for two and a half days. I don't know 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.320 if we've stopped laughing or telling jokes since we started, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.880 but uh uh, it's it's been a blast. We've had 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.040 some great l hunts and some good stints. We had 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.079 a couple of bad stints, you know, times where things 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.320 weren't working, but it's been awesome. So we're gonna jump 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.800 right into Pendleton's question and answer and today rather than 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.760 pulling listener questions, which you can email them to us 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.400 at CTV at Phelps game Calls dot com or hit 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.520 us up on social media, and me and my guests 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.840 will do our best to answer your questions. These questions 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.880 are gonna be brought from Luke and Tyler and they're 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.280 gonna be you know, questions you guys just had throughout 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.799 the hunt. Why me and Jeremy are doing some of 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.639 the stuff we're doing as we're hunting hellcare. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.119 Yeah, I guess my my first question would have been, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.800 you know, obviously I think some of these were answered 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.320 by just being out yep and hunt with you guys. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.639 I think kind of my main question would have been 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.480 maybe that I don't know the answer to is like, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.280 when you have this, when you have a tag like this, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.920 you have these limited windows to hunt, how do you 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.560 go about deciding. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.919 Where your target. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.000 Area is going to? Because this unit is massive, right, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.560 so how do you decide? How did you decide on 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.040 this spot? 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:33.360 You know? 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.320 So I'll roll it back a little bit to more 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.440 of a generalization. So when we look, you know, a 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.320 thirty thousand foot view, you're looking for things, you know, terrain, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.600 you're looking for water, and New Mexico water is so critical. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.280 They don't it's not like where I'm from, where there's 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.880 water everywhere. So we're looking for water sources that we 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.400 think are there's gonna be water both on good good 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.400 wet years and dry ears. We're looking at food, we're 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.200 looking at security. So you start to look at these areas, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.160 and you know, Jeremy's local in New Mexico, I know 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:01.840 a lot of people, and so you do get some 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.000 of that like, hey, you should go check out this area, right, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.320 And then we show up and we kind of truth 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.280 we we kind of truth checked the area, you know, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.320 or their rubs are we seeing sign? Are we seeing? 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.760 And we had the ability. We were kind of you know, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.640 hunting prior to you guys shown up, But we also 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.200 were scouting prior to so we we you know, when 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.200 you showed up, we were kind of you know, boots 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.600 on the ground running. We knew they were going to 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:22.840 be all can hear? We knew kind of where the 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.560 hot spots were, right. But yeah, sitting at your at 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.760 your desk at home, you're looking for those bedding areas, 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.880 water areas, where are they going to eat? And then 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.680 you try to pick out some spots that are either 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.200 you know, rugged enough that you're going to get away 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.800 from people, or just like little spots that people may 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.080 avoid because it doesn't look that good. So we're, you know, 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.360 with enough experience, we've kind of you know, found those areas. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.479 Yeah, I mean I look for, you know, places far 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.800 from the road. You know, we're twenty four miles, we're 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:56.440 forty miles back yep, right now, did Yeah that's what 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:56.960 I look for. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.400 Yeah, it's just oh, we walked all this stuff in 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.000 yeah this Yeah, Tyler got most of it on him. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.320 His back at once kind of packed Yeah, maybe kind 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.839 of packed him out and got him in here. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.160 And the truck that's that's just that's what's here. Yeah, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.440 we photoshopped that was all that was already here. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:20.800 When we got Phelps nailed it. I mean, you're looking for, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.479 you know, a lot of the habitat that those elk need. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.640 At the end of the day, it's it's it's kind 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.640 of a shot in the dark, right, I mean, we're 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.599 I wish we had enough time in our schedules to 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.520 spend you know, the necessary time out here to really 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.680 you know, you know, pound the dirt and and get 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.320 after it and try to find some good places where 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:39.719 the alk are going to be. But at the end 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.000 of the day, it's kind of reliant upon other people 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.280 like you mentioned and then Brown Truth and getting out 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.280 here and trying to figure out these these places. And 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.359 then even when we're here, it's you got to adapt, ye. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.400 And one of the things about this unit that you 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.960 might go to unit in Washington, Idaho, Colorado where the 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.560 elk aron is dense, we're very fortunate to be in 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.680 the unit that has a high density and so you know, 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.360 it's fairly easy to show up and find elk in 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.440 an area where there's some spots where we might not 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:07.880 hear a behgle for a day or two and you're 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.279 just hoofing and hiking. So we did have that on 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.480 our side that we had a we knew the unit. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.800 We knew the unit has a reputation for you know, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.120 having having a good density, so that kind of helped 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.359 us out as well. Yeah you got one, Tyler. And 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.360 it's kind of funny. We've been hunting for two and 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:24.880 a half days, so these guys have probably used up most 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.000 of our questions, but they can go back and grab 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:28.760 grab a few more than they've had for. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:29.240 Us, for sure. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.919 I guess we were talking the other night about like 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.440 the moon. So what really gets them fired up? Because 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.360 you know, the first night we were in here, they 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.360 were just you know, going nuts. We could hear them 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.840 all over, and then obviously, uh, we were in them 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.240 pretty thick, and then last night, the last two nights, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.279 we weren't really hearing them much, and then obviously we 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.560 got on them. But what's really getting them active and 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.600 moving around? And how do you know, it's like all right, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:53.440 it's starting to turn on. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.560 So the the night the first night you guys were here. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.200 We joke about that. We took you guys just for 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.400 a hike without We knew you guys were going to 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.159 hear a bigle, so we wanted you to kind of 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.400 start on a low. But then like the next day, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.760 all joking aside, the next day we didn't hear We didn't. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.240 We didn't stop hearing bigles from before dark. We literally 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.480 walked out of camp, hunted a bowl all morning, multiple bowls, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.679 and then got off of them, came back to camp. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.119 Patty, Yeah, we passed. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.480 Yeah, Luke passed on a bowl at a smaller rag 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.560 horn right off the bat had the five by six 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.360 at fifty and then he winded us. Just our setup 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.360 wasn't right for where he is. Yeah, I just didn't 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.920 have a shot from where I was, you know. And 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.400 so we've had that super high day and then yesterday 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:35.800 was a little bit more of a mix. We had 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.600 some bigles, but it wasn't it didn't seem to be 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:42.240 as crazy. So that moon phase, I've always you can 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:43.680 only hunt the days you've got, Like, so we have 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.200 a season that's set September fifteenth to twenty fourth. You 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.040 can't do anything about that moon, right, it's out of 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.600 our control. But we noticed, you know, since we've been 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.320 here on the fifteenth, we were leading into that full 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.320 moon can be the issue. And what we will typically 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:59.000 get then is we'll get real short spurts in the morning, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.960 like from daylight to maybe seven thirty, and then they're 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:02.520 going to shut off. 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:03.360 They're just hammering. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.800 Yeah, but you got very short window and a very 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.600 short window in the evening when they leave bed and 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.560 get going, and then it's kind of that middle of 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.600 the days just boring as hell when it's hot all night, right, Yeah, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.360 they're they're doing their rutting at night. And then now 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.040 we're kind of on the back side of the moon. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.800 We're down to what a half the moon left, and 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.840 the moon timing it's up most of the day and 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.040 it's only up for a little bit at night. That 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.480 so now we're going to start seeing more of that 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.880 all day action because they can't necessarily do as much. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.640 They're not on their feet as much, they can't see 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.720 as well. And then the other thing you got to 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.280 think of is not only the moon, we're now starting 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.160 to get into later into September, where these cows are 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.200 now you know, going into Estrius and being ready to 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.880 be bred, which will click all those bulls into you know, 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.920 running around and going crazy. So we're kind of dealing 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.240 with two different you know, circumstances that kind of add 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.520 into each other. Right, So we're worse you know today, tomorrow, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.480 you know, the next five days there won't be a season, 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.040 but those are going to be amazing. When that moon 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.440 goes away, the majority of the cows all coming at 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.439 the same time, it's going to be magic here from 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.800 the twenty Faire soon the season's over to the end 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:05.960 of the. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.920 Yeah, we've been getting a little taste of it here 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.240 in the mornings. I mean yeah, this morning and yesterday evening, 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.559 you know, those those elk were hammering off, right, yeah, every. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.000 Couple Yeah, I mean yesterday even it was nuts. We 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:22.760 saw absolute monster yesterday. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.160 Yeah, we're going to get into that one, Like we 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.280 had Luke on. It was a bummer and we're gonna 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.240 get into this. But we're in some wide open ponderos 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.800 and we think that's why these elk were there. But uh, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.480 we got Luke on a on an amazing bowl that 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.280 we just couldn't make happen because we couldn't get any closer. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:39.720 So well, we're going to dive into that story here 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.320 in a little bit. You got another question, Luke that 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.680 we can throw into Pendleton's question and answer session. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.360 Here, I'm trying to think here, I don't know. It's like, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.760 I feel like there's so many things that I was 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.719 so curious about that I've found out, you know what 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.160 I'm trying to I'm trying to rethink on on what 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.160 those questions were. I feel like I just asked so 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.920 many for those first couple of days, you know, like 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.000 you didn't right and really come in with come in 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.640 here with any expectations of what or how it was 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.079 going to go right. And I think that first evening 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.000 when we didn't hear anything, You're like, man, like, what's 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:14.719 you know? 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.959 I don't know if like this normal? Is it not normal? 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.439 Don't don't lie? You were like, you're like Jason Jeremy. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.320 I heard you tell Tyler. I think Jason Jason Jeremy sucks. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:24.000 Steve sold Us. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.040 I think, yeah, like, I don't know if these guys, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.760 these guys are professionals. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:30.880 These guys are pros dude. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.000 But and I mean, it turns out your unfortunately, and 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.280 turns out your I was hoping you wouldn't be actually 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.160 a little bit more, uh for not being so good. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:45.000 But man, I just think that I just think it's 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.040 everyone's going to slave me for saying it's like Turkey Hunt. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.000 But no, it's really I love it. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:50.880 It's really similar. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.959 Man, comparisons so much. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.760 Man, I love that you said that because we get 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.480 these West West is or whatever you guys want to 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.120 people want of calls, like they hate the idea that 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.280 you can make the tie the similarities to Turkey and elk. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.559 But you had no preconceived notion of what this elk 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.280 counting was and made that same connection. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:09.920 Yeah. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.199 The only difference is you mentioned is like, man, we've 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.320 did three spirals, seven up and downs. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:15.200 That's the difference. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.800 The wind is the only thing difference, right, I think 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.400 I was I was joking with these guys this morning. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.120 I've been joking with these guys the whole time, but 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.080 I was joking with them. I was like, man, we 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.080 ought to just stay at the truck. You know, it's 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.880 like mostly because it's freezing in the morning, Like, we 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.960 ought to just stay in the truck and. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:31.960 See if something mosy's by. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.200 And then the last couple of mornings we, you know, 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.400 hike our ass off into somewhere, and then there's a 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.920 bunch of elk few going by the freaking truck both. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.520 So I mean, I mean that's about a twenty mile 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:43.400 hike from your truck. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.680 Yeah, I mean that's in and out, twenty out. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.200 We just we just happened to be able to hear 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.960 where they're out by the truck five miles again. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.400 No, it's I I'm never gonna live it down. That 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.560 Luke is I think jokingly suggested that we stay at 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.720 the truck, even though he's trying to really make me 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.559 feel bad. But I think the lot of two days 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.600 we've did this hike in got the wind right, doing 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.240 everything we think, got the bulls big one, and somewhere 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.559 throughout that morning hunt, we're like, Jeremy Luke, I think 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.920 that one's right next to that one, right next to 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:11.280 the truck. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:12.320 But you can smile him. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.240 This morning, they had just been there. By the time 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:14.719 we got back. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.600 We had a camera next to the truck. He'd probably 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.920 have something, probably have something on it. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.520 Yeah, but that's just the way it is, man, That's 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.640 the way it goes. But I was always I was 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.280 I was getting to is a whole turkey scenario. It's 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.160 like I've learned that hunt turkeys over the last I 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:34.000 don't know, seven or eight years now, is that sometimes 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.760 just sitting in that spot is the answer, you know, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.880 and going well, there's now I hear this bird gobbling 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.120 off this way, and you go chase it. On the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.280 time you get there, he's gone. And then other birds 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:45.920 walked into where you were because you were sitting up 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.680 there calling. I can't tell you how many times I've 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.200 done that. So just remember that, guys, you're gonna learn something. Yeah, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.680 you know, I'm your boy here. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.360 You know, we try, we try. No, it's it's we've 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.000 had a blast. I appreciate those questions from you guys. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.920 Once again, you have questions for me, my guests for 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.640 Dirt Phil free meal free, feel free to email them 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.360 to us at CTD at Phelps game Calls dot com, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.920 or send us a message on social media. Will do 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.280 our best to get it on here. So now we're 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.200 just gonna jump into a normal podcast. Questions I have 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.120 for you, question you have for us? So this this area, 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.240 you know, we wanted to describe the healis so people 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.240 can kind of get a sense where we're at. And 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.800 this unit's so different from the northwest corner of Southeast Corner. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.080 I one thing I think we could all agree on. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.400 There's rocks everywhere. Oh man, this unit doesn't want you 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.320 to ever touch dirt, so you're walking on rocks. We've 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.800 got some areas where this area is was logged what 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.600 forty fifty years ago Jeremy probably at least, so I 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.280 would call it like commercially thinned ponderosa piones, which the 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:48.960 elks seem to love because they know they're never going 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.680 to get killed there. And then we do have some brushy, steep, 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.840 rocky canyons that have never been touched. So we're kind 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.480 of these mix of rolling you know, rolling hills in 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.720 some areas that drop into some steep canyons back to 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.439 what we you know, the main valley floor or the 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.720 high desert or whatever you guys refer where. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.480 That rag horn came in, which is what you're talking about, 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.199 like when he was coming up that that cut there 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.000 or whatever that was. I feel like kind of a 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.880 spot that's been kind of untouched yep. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.960 In there. You know, there's still some cover, you know, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.000 a bunch of stuff going. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.760 On and one of the it's made it's made it difficult. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.640 And you've seen and I mean, you know, to Luke's credit, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.600 you know, Hunter a guy that understands all these things. Like, man, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.120 we sit there and kind of scratch our head like 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.800 this isn't the good These were the elk crap. But 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.560 there's no good spot to set up, and so we 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.560 we spend enough, you know, a bunch of time looking 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.360 for setups. We you know, how are we gonna do this? 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.800 And so that's kind of the area. We're in Ponderosa Pines. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.040 We got some mixed aspens and some mixed fir trees 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.760 and areas. But that that's kind of how this HeLa 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:47.160 lays out, and. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.000 A little bit of everything. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.440 You get down a little lower, we got some more 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.160 opinion juniper, not as much up here, but there are some. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.080 And then the elk populations, and you know, I'm gonna 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.960 let the conservationists. Mister Jimmie Romero talked about the olk population. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:04.640 Well, I don't want to speak for you know, the 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.400 the biologists that spend the time out here, but it's 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.440 one of the larger, you know, national forests out there 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.840 with a I think a pretty significant population of elk. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.600 I don't know the exact number, but I imagine it's, 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.480 you know, well in the thousands. I think you can 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.680 kind of point your finger on a map in this 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.000 in this particular area and probably find some elk, you know, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.640 within a close proximity. It like, you know, talking about 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.280 the landscape and the habitat here has a little bit 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.640 of everything, right. Obviously water is somewhat scarce, but where 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.200 we are it seems to be a little bit more 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.000 plentiful than other places. But yeah, I mean we we 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.960 have a plethora of wildlife species here, Elk. We've seen 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.440 some meal deer, We've seen some turkey, you know, We've 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:49.640 seen we've heard some wolves. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:50.200 You know. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.400 We had a pretty good song plan B for a play, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.920 you know, for a play this this afternoon, and uh, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.040 I think about two thirty this morning that was kind 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:57.640 of shut down. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.600 Have you guys heard like a UFO unidentified sound weird 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:04.080 dentified sounding. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:05.960 Talk about that for a quick second. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.360 Yeah, yeah, so you know, Luke. Luke ended up going 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.840 to bed that night and Tyler, myself and Jeremy decided 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.760 to go out to night Bugle. I feel bad talking 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.680 like that's one of my hidden secrets. We talk about it, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:18.400 but not a lot. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.080 But maybe we cut it out. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.560 No, No, I think we talked about it. There's there 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.320 were others out here doing it. But you know, we 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.320 we went and ate dinner. We kind of let things 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.560 settle down, let everybody get back to their own camp, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.680 let the wood settle down, and we just go to 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.080 spots we think there might be out and that way 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.600 almost ensures every morning we're gonna be on out. Well, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.880 we were. We went down to a spot Jeremy wanted 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:42.680 to check out that we hadn't really talked about. And 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.600 was it before the wolves are after? 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.640 Is before wolves there? 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:49.800 Yeah? Weird wolves there? 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.040 And and then the weird sound and then we heard. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.880 We heard the sound first the the almost extinct wolf. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.760 I heard twenty seven of those. Yeah, they call him extinct. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.280 But I'm like, well, we just happened to pick a 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.280 spot and there was one hundred of them. But while 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.040 we were listening to the wolves, it was right when 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.520 we got out of the side, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.200