WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Malcolm Gladwell Talks Gun Control, Assault Weapon Bans, Historical Context + More 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.680 Wake that answer up in the morning Breakfast Club. 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:06.960 Yes, the world most dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.119 Charlamagne the God just hilarious and we had to step 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:09.880 out for a second. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.719 But we have the great Malcolm Gladwell here this morning. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.840 Good morning brother, good morning, Morning, Morning Morning. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.480 He just released the six part series Our Revision is 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:19.279 History is Back. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:20.920 What is the series about? 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:26.960 Man, It's about gun violence. Decided to do up an 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.920 sort of an extended look at what we're not talking 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.479 about when it comes to guns in this country, some 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:36.479 of them. It ranges all over the map. There's a 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.520 We started by making fun of the Supreme Court, which 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.040 is surprisingly easy to do. There's one there's this one 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.920 case that they had two years ago, which is this 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.000 big the New York City where they struck down a 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:52.760 New York state gun law that had been a place 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.319 for one hundred years. And there's an exchange and they 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.440 tape you know, their or arguments. They tape them so 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.880 you can listen to them. There's an exchange where the 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.880 justices to the Justices Alito and Kavanaugh are arguing with 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.040 the lawyer for New York State and their their argument 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:11.679 is that we would all be better off if we 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.760 could carry handguns on the subway, And the lawyer for 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.840 New York State is like, basically, she's insane. Basically she's like, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.720 have you ever ridden the subway? You know what a 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.920 gunfight on a subway would look like? And they're completely oblivious, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.000 and so we I went on and on about this, 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.960 like imagining it's a bunch of guys. One of the 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.360 guy's alitos from like a rich kid from suburban New Jersey. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.479 If he has ever ridden the subway in his life, 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.240 I'd be very surprised. Kavanaugh is like a rich kid 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.440 from suburban DC, like, you know, the closest he came 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.319 to the subway was his mom's minivan. And they're having 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.120 this surreal conversation with a legit think that if everybody 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.680 on the A train had a glock, we would be safer, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.720 Like it's just like that level. So that's that's sort 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.320 of one of the early ones. And then tell a 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.120 bunch of about what I'm sorry about a crazy story about 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.080 a guy in Alabama who had a shooting in his 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.640 home and what happens when the ambulance doesn't come because 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.919 they think the the kid who got shot is black wow. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.680 And and then I went the last one is the 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.920 one of the most moving ones' ever done. There's a guy, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.240 an er doc at the University of Chicago Hospital cut 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.520 up called up Della Price and grew up on the 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.080 South Side, but goes to med school and then practices 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.640 on the South Side. And that's, you know, obviously one 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.720 of the epicenters of gun violence in this country. I mean, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.520 I just sat down with him. I went Chicago. I 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.040 sat down with him and he's start of talking about 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.960 the experience of when you don't know what the people 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.120 are wheeled in on the gurney on a Saturday night, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.720 and he'll know chances are he grew up with. That 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.760 kid told me, I think fifteen people he grew up 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.480 with have been killed by guns in the last since 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.720 he you know, and when he said grew up with 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.760 he met friends people, he said his definition was somebody 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.520 who was in his phone. I know them personally. I just, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.079 I just I just went all around the country, you know, Alabama, Chicago, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.760 he went to hung out with some trauma surgeons in DC, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.239 talk about what happens when when you show up at 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.959 a and it was just the most the one of 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.240 the fascinating things about it was very few of the 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.400 people who I talked to who are on the front 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:37.520 lines of gun Mountain's country, talked about gun control. There's 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.920 an interest them, it's it's they see what's going on 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.200 and the debate that we the policy debates we have 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.440 in Washington are just so far removed from their daily experience. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.280 If two kids, both with illegal handguns, get high on 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.000 a Saturday night and have an argument and shoot each other, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.120 how exactly is a law and Washington supposed to fix that? 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:58.880 Yeah? 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.960 Right? Or you get shot and you die. Because this 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.960 is the story I was telling. In Chicago. For the 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.800 longest time, there was no trauma center on the South 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.960 side of Chicago. If you got shot, they took you 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.400 by ambulance all the way to the north side. You 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.720 know far that is traffic, So lots of people, all 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.600 these cases of kids who would just die in the 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.159 ambulance on the way. Now, how exactly is like a 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.480 you know, some abstract argument about the Second Amendment going 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.160 to fix the flight of somebody who's got to spend 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.760 thirty five minutes in an ambulance to get to a 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.839 trauma center. So it's like I just I just came 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.880 to the conclusion that there's a lot of people in 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.839 this country who are deeply invested in these debates that 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.920 have been going on for uh, you know, for decades now, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.599 and they're just out of touch with and even something 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.279 as simple this is maybe gonna get me a little trouble. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.600 But what do we when we talk about gun buns 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.360 in this country? We spend a huge amount of time 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:05.479 talking about mass shootings. Mass shootings are statistically a drop 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.440 in the bucket, They're rare, and so we're consumed with 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.800 the very tiny part of the problem that happens to 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:20.000 affect middle class right, and then the rest of it 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.719 is like whatever, kind of shrugging whatever. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.800 I got so many questions based off what you just said. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.719 Back to the subway thing real quick. Yes, I don't 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.320 think handguns everybody having a handgun on the subway will 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.120 make things safer, But people do feel safer when they see. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.760 Police officers with handguns on the sub absolutely. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.080 How do you explain that, Well, because the police officer 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.000 knows how to use the gun. The problem, well, I 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.160 mean problem with a handgun is so hilarious. You talk 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:48.760 to people who actually know a lot about guns and 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.800 they will tell you it is so hard to hit 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.599 some hit what you want to hit with a handgun, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.400 particularly if you're not an expert and you're terrified. So like, 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.640 if two people have a shootout on a subway cars, 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.880 they're gonna hit everybody. They're gonna be like, it's gonna 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.679 be Mayhem Like Yeah, this idea that everyone is cool 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.600 under pressure when they're making a life or that decision 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.799 with a hand is nuts. Even police, well even police 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.760 officers don't always hit what they're supposed to hit. Yeah. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.680 I had a really fun discussion with a prosecutor in 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.560 Brooklyn on this very question, and he was like, you know, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.040 I've been doing this for whatever twenty years, He's I 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.720 get even even cops rarely shoot straight, So why would 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.279 we want to introduce more guns into a closed steel 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.200 box running under the East River? You know, like it's 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.560 just the but like it's just the thing that's weird. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.240 Is just how out of touch? What I really my 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.040 real point was not to get into an argument about 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.800 guns on the subway, is was the idea that our 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.320 policy is being made in this country by a bunch 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.960 of people who are completely out of touch. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.719 Already out of touch are our gun lobby is just 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.520 too in their pockets because I mean when you look 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.479 at Post yeah. 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.360 You know it's they're just making these sort of abstract 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.880 legal arguments. And you know, I sort of wanted to 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.080 why are they even debating gun control in Washington? Why 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.760 don't they They should take that show on the road. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.200 Let's let's put them on the A train at eight 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.160 o'clock at night and then show them. Okay, let's what 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.280 do you think would happen if six people on this 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.400 in this car right now we're carrying a handgun. I mean, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.880 they're just there has to we have to do something 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.480 to kind of reconnect the conversation. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.760 Why do you think we as Americans are so obsessed 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.400 with guns? 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.160 Well, you know, I'm Canadian, So that's why I say 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:44.760 we I'm looking here. No, I was gonna say, I 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.720 didn't mean that I was, but like so it's just, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.280 you know, we're just to the North Settle roughly the 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.400 same time by people from Europe and you know, and whatever. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.360 I mean, the history is parallel, but we're not obsessed 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.920 with I've never been able to wrap my mind around well, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:04.560 I don't have it. What I'm saying is I can't 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.480 answer that question because I grew up in Canada and 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.760 where there's no guns. I didn't see a gun till 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.680 like you got to be until I got over here, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.600 So I don't know you could. I suppose there's all 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.000 kinds of complicated historical reasons for that. But it's weird. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.560 How kind of gun focused. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.000 Is it the legislation you think? I mean, I mean, 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:25.240 I don't know a gun law in Canada. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.360 So yeah, well so if you watch, this is not 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.360 an answer to the question out of but if you watch, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:36.320 there's a category of Canadian Westerns. So the same idea, 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.280 some guy out on the range and the you know 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.319 in the in the frontier, like bringing justice. In Canadian Westerns, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.880 the mounty not a not a not a sheriff, but 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.520 like he spends all of his time like pulling dogs 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.240 out of the river and like helping middle old ladies. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.280 He doesn't even carry a gun. Like in the Canadian 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.640 fantasy of the wild West. It's like, you know, somebody, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.480 somebody lost a cow and they call. In the American fantasy, 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:13.680 it's like people are So there's something about the fantasies. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.160 Right from the beginning, there was a weird set of 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:20.319 fantasies that get attached to I think TV. I did 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.719 an episode of this series on this gun series on 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.960 visions History that looked that was all about gun smoke. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:27.599 You know. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.719 It was the longest running Western absolutely, and we did. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.400 One of the things we did is we calculated, so 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.560 Gunsmoke takes place in Dodge City in Kansas, and we 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.120 tried to calculate, based on the TV show, what would 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.200 the homae what's the homicide rate in the fictional Dodge 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.840 City And the answer is it's like eighty times higher 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:50.640 than than the highest homicide rate in a real American city. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.040 So in our fantasy world, we created an America that 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.160 is infinitely more dangerous and scary than the real America. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.800 Right And by the way, Gun Smoke was on TV 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:02.080 for twenty years. It was it was on for twenty years, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.040 twenty years. It's one of those popular TV shows yea 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.240 both time, and it was peddling a kind of vision 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.839 of American life that was again out of touch. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.839 Do you think that is because the media is always leading. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.280 They would say, if it bleeds, it leads, So we 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.480 think that America is way worse than it actually is 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.080 because of the news. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.960 Yeah, I do think. Well, it's you know, it's an 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.920 odd thing I got. Really, you know, when Ron DeSantis 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:33.320 was running around lecturing New yorker is on how dangerous 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.880 New York is. Meanwhile, New York and New York State 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.720 are so much safer than Florida. Florida, you want to 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.840 go someplace and put your life in your hands, go 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.400 to Jacksonville. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.400 Jackie and kill Wow. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.880 The idea, The idea that the governor of one of 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.839 the most violent states in the country is lecturing New 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.480 Yorkers New York City, New York City and New York State, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.440 by the way, one of the safest regions of the country, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.960 the idea, and nobody he got a free pass. Everyone 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.640 was like, yeah, New York must be more dangerous from Florida. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.800 No, the opposite. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.719 So it's like, it is, it's, it's it's it is 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.760 a fascination with this kind of violence, coupled with a 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.640 set of like completely unexamined assumptions about what's dangerous in America, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:26.360 where the danger is or like honestly, like google Jacksonville 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.840 and then you will never go to Jacksonville again. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:34.079 That's all gave somebody doggy in a day from Jacksonville. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.760 I don't know why Malcolm shooting at Jacksonville this morning, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.200 but something happened to Malcolm and jacksonvilleing and then. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.840 We have all from Jacksonville. I like, but I should 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.319 say I have been to Jacksonville many times. Parts of 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.880 Jacksonville are quite lovely. But like, the governor of Florida 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.760 should not be lecturing us about violence, is all I 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:54.160 have to say. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.319 Yeah, damn do ball your city caught one this morning? 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.800 You said that people, uh, people were not with the 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.840 kind coversation we're not having about guns. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.320 What is that? Is it about the people? 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.960 Because I feel like as they always have conversations about 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.840 gun control, but they never talk about the people who 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.360 actually own the guns. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:14.559 There's there's that, there is the well, there's there's all 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.440 kinds of sort of weird things that we're not talking about. Yeah, 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.840 we're not talking about I did that episode on trauma centers. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.959 We're not talking about the fact that, uh, hospitals, trauma 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.800 centers should be where the victims of gun violence are. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.040 And we have a system right now in this country 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.240 where we don't always sometimes we do we don't always 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.080 put medical facilities where they're needed. We put them where 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.559 they make the most money. And so that's one thing 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.240 we don't talk a lot about when we should that 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.079 it's a huge issue. You know. One of the episodes 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.200 in the series, I looked at the question of a 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.480 homicide rate at any A murder rate at any given 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.800 time is a function of two things. One is how 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.360 much violence there is, and the second is how good 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.840 How good is the medical care. Right, If you get 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.319 shot and you get taken directly to the hospital and 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.079 they save your life, you're not a homicide victim. If 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.920 the same thing happens and you don't get to the 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.600 hospital time and you die, you are a homicide victim. Right. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.640 So a lot depends on how good your hospital system is, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.480 and a huge amount if we have situations like in Chicago. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.000 They did a study and they showed that if you 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.320 were black, you traveled a lot further to a trauma 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.640 center than if you were white. Right, Like, that's something 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:28.800 that's the kind of thing you should talk about. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:29.440 Big something. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:31.880 You know, you could save a lot of lives if 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.679 you cite another thing. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.320 We maybe didn't not trying to save. Maybe that's the point. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.240 Yes, it's I think it's in it's in its indifference 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:46.199 more than or just like you know, uh, the the 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.760 amount of oxygen, like I said before, the amount of 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.560 oxygen that gets taken up by heart obsession with mass 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.720 shootings when they're the terrible thing, but they are they 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.240 are so a tiny, such a tiny, tiny part of 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.640 the problem. The idea that that's all we kind of 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:03.960 talk about it about it is weird. But also the 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.680 idea that you know, in every profession, when anytime, anytime 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.520 people have an area of specialized knowledge, they're usually invested 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.720 in making sure that not any kind of you know, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.520 if you're a doctor, you're powerfully invested in the idea 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.840 that you got to go to med school before you 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.160 can practice medicine. You don't want any yahoo breck, you know, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.000 like you yeah, But gun owners will simultaneously go on 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.280 and on and on legitimately about how much knowledge you 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.360 need to handle a gun safely and fired accurately, and 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.680 at the same time they're like, but everyone should be 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.200 able to get one at the job of a hat. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.000 That's just dumb. It should be the gun owners who 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.760 are supporting restrictions around gun use, because they're the ones 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.400 who are aware of how legitimately difficult it is to 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.760 handle a gun safely and appropriately. I don't get it. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.280 I don't understand why gun control isn't being pushed by 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.920 gun lovers, right. You know. It's like I said, like 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.840 I you know, I'm a big runner. I'm the last 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.800 person who says everyone should run and it's hard. Take 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.800 it seriously. You know what you're doing. You gotta, like, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.720 you know, prepare for it. I don't say you have 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.560 a right to everyone should have a right to run 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:13.560 ten miles in the morning. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.240 Maybe gun levels are in a bubble because they know 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.680 how to use their guns. They you know, they go 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.160 to the gun range all the time. People around them 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:22.520 probably know how to use their gun and go to 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.960 the gun range when their mind, they're just assuming if 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.520 you have a gun, you know how to use it, 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:27.040 you know how. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.040 I think that's probably maybe They's what I spent one 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.920 of the episodes. I go down to North Carolina and 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.720 I hang out with this guy, Greg Wallace, who's a 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.240 He said, he loves guns. He's a just competitive shooting 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.840 and gave me a kind of we fired assault rifle 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.240 and he gave me a tutorial on how to do it. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.440 And just from spending an afternoon with him. That's the 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.240 thing I came away from. It's like you need it's hard. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.440 There's a lot of and you know the amount of 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.920 caution he took, Like when I when I picked up 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.000 the assault rifle and picked up the wrong way, he was, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.680 you know, like, don't you know? Like it was it 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.240 was a real kind of Uh it was. It was 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.240 fascinating just to see how in their own little world 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.160 they're super gotious around. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.800 How do you feelhen you fight that thing though? How'd 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.800 you feel? Malcolm? Huh? You get a rush? 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.280 Jesus did I get a rush? The first time I've 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:25.560 ever picked up a gun in my life? 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.640 Yeah, first time. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.760 First time in a shooting range in rural North Carolina, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:39.880 an ar fifteen And uh I felt. First of all, 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:45.440 I was, it's really loud. You had a head I had, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.760 I had things on, but it was still loud. It 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.280 was creepy at first. And then you with that you 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:52.880 can't help it. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.240 You get a little rush. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:54.840 Yeah. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.720 It's like these things are big and heavy. Like the 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.440 idea that you have in your hands, something that you 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.639 could kill someone with is just strange. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.960 If he's never held a gun, have you have? I 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:09.760 shot a gun. Yeah. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.399 I never shot an the sault rifle though, like an 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.639 AAR fifteen or anything like that. 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.320 Yeah, but you know handgun, yeah, like. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.280 A little like a lower one, the lower part. I 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.920 mean we got a three fifty seven of the house 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.080 on the glock of the house. Oh okay, what what 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.960 are your thoughts on assault rifles now after using one? 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.040 Well, I did that episode and it was the one 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.480 that got the most male basically saying I think salt 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.680 rifle bands are a dumb idea, and they're dumb because 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.680 they're not actually banning assault rifles. Assaut rifle is a 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.399 kind of platform, and what assaut rifle bands do is 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:46.480 identify if you accessorize your gun with a certain number 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.040 of cosmetic things. We think that's bad and we want 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.639 to ban them, but they it's a semi automatic rifle 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.520 with a large magazine. Those are you know, those are 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.720 until you can Still they're still legal in many states 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.119 asault rifle bands. So it's like kind of weird that 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.959 why are we identifying a class of weapons because they 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.960 look ugly and saying we should. But the other thing 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.760 is like it's the amount of damage they can do, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:16.200 but we're not. We're not banning so rifles. Rifles are 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.639 are very you know, they're semi automatic rifles are a 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.680 very lethal weapon. We're not banning semi auomatic rifles. Within 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.760 assault rifle ban we're banning a tiny subcategory that happened 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.680 to have a certain number of cosmetic features that we 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.120 don't like. So it's like we're not solving the problem. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.280 And then I sat down with this trauma surgeon in 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.000 DC who had studied mass shootings and it's like, if 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.560 that's what's what's you're worried about, is mass shootings? Actually 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.320 the most lethal weapon used in mass shootings is are handguns, 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:51.800 because a handgun gets into the grizzly. But you within 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.800 assault rifle, you shoot once the person goes down, and 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.080 because it's boom right then with a handgun, you shoot 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.480 once and sometimes person doesn't go down, so you're more 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.760 likely to be shot twice. You're shot by a handgun 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.760 and the guy gets up closer and shoots you a 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.960 second time, and he is more likely to kill you. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.840 So you're more likely to die from a handgun than 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.359 a sult rifle in a mass shooting, which just says, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.679 by the way, which is a all we're saying is 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.439 guns are dangerous, they're used in different ways, and to 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.760 have as a to spend all of our time and 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:30.680 energy trying to remove one tiny subcategory of guns from 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.040 the equation and the hopes is going to change things. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.600 It's just dumb. It's just like the problem is much 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.080 bigger than that. You're not solving it by by by by, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.160 you know, by taking some pair of scissors to one 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.399 page of the gun manual. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.320 Right, So what is the solutions then? How to kind 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.159 of control of the America gets lit broken out of? 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:56.040 We think that, Yeah, he's from cannabis, so he can't. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.000 When I talked to that guy at Della Price in 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:03.240 the last the last of the episodes, which by the way, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.920 one of the most so I sat with. So he's 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:12.520 a guy, he's in his thirties, big football big, incredibly 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.120 moving and powerful and thoughtful guy. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:26.200 Just say he's sexy, Malcolm. First of all, Malcolm is sexy. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.959 I talked it is a big sexy. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.879 I knew, I knew. I just knew what I was like, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.040 I'm gonna describe. I'm just going to get in trouble. 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.480 Uh the he is he a handsome man? Yes, he 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.000 is a handsome man, charle man, if that's what you're asking, 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:48.159 and he so. My point is he's talking about one 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.720 of the things he does is he goes into elementary 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:56.040 and middle schools in the South Chicago hands out first 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.960 responder kids, teaches the kids how to minister first eight 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:03.280 if the first because it's a reality, No terrible, that 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.520 kind of I mean, it's just what he was describing that, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:10.239 it's just like it's so heartbreaking and children. What he 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.639