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Speaker 1: I'm listening to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen. Hey, Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Blackoutils podcast. I'm your host, Rod, joined us always by

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Speaker 1: my co hosting, and we are live on a Monday

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Speaker 1: rush hour Monday. You guys are probably on your way

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Speaker 1: home watching us on crowdcast on your phone, knowing you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be having your hands on ten to two,

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Speaker 1: looking straight towards the road. Pay attention. I saw wreck today.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy. Oh I'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: But we're not alone. We have a guest. Guy's first

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Speaker 1: time guest on our podcast, although I have hung out

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Speaker 1: with this gentleman on the MC university podcast, The Marvel

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Speaker 1: Cinematic University for those that don't know. Today's guest writes

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Speaker 1: about pro wrestling Blade two, an obscure ninety sitcom for

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Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports. He writes an uncrowned and complex He's hosted

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Speaker 1: the South Congress podcast. It's Cam Hawkins. What's going on? Cam?

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Speaker 2: Hey Man? Doing all right? Happy to be on with

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Speaker 2: you all. I'm a big fans of what you do

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Speaker 2: and what you guys are about. So this is really.

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Speaker 3: Cool, man.

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Speaker 1: It's cool to us too, Bro I'm not even gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions about wrestling because that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a cultural blind spot for me, I don't really

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Speaker 1: follow wrestling like that. Yeah, And for me, I'm the opposite.

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Speaker 4: I followed it when I was younger, and then I

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Speaker 4: just got to a certain point where I just stop.

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Speaker 4: So if you get into like the eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 4: I'm very familiar with with like Andre the Giant, Like

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Speaker 4: I can go way way back for like some of those,

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Speaker 4: but once you get through certain rim I'm not as familiar.

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Speaker 1: But I want to start by asking you, this, man,

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Speaker 1: what are you from San Antonio? Like you born and

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Speaker 1: raised there? Because I saw that was I saw san

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Speaker 1: Antonio was referencing the bio. I was like, is he

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Speaker 1: just a Spurs fan? Or like this is you that

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Speaker 1: you claim them folk?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I'm originally from southern Maryland as.

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Speaker 2: A matter of fact, Okay, my whole family is from

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Speaker 2: like the Upper Marlboro area. Okay, my my mother and

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Speaker 2: my stepfather military. So moved around a lot, moved to

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Speaker 2: like I moved to Wyoming when I was eight, and

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Speaker 2: then uh moved to San Antonio when I was eleven,

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Speaker 2: and so my mother still lives in San Antonio. You know,

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Speaker 2: all my friends are there, my girl is there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: when I uh, when I graduated, I ended up coming

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Speaker 2: to a University of Texas.

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Speaker 3: I just stayed in Austin, you know, just kind of

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Speaker 3: never left.

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Speaker 2: So San Antonio is technically you know, home, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I've lived in Austin.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, it'll be twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Uh in June, wow time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but San Antonio w Austin in an hour and

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Speaker 2: a half apart. So I'm always home seeing family and friends.

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Speaker 1: So did you So you've you've been there for the

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Speaker 1: blow up of Austin too, right, because like Austin in

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Speaker 1: my in our lifetime went from just like you know,

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Speaker 1: a place in Texas to like Behma south By, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hippie place, and now it's becoming like, yeah, not even

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Speaker 1: hippie at this point. It's like, uh, the Joe whatever,

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Speaker 1: the Joe libertarian, like the libertarian bathroom started moving there.

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Speaker 1: Whenever California, Yeah, whenever somebody don't like something in a

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Speaker 1: blue state, they'd be like, I'm moving to Austin, Like

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Speaker 1: what is that? What's that influx been like for you?

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Speaker 2: Listen, man, it is we went to UH. We had

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Speaker 2: We had it at the Victory Grill, which is like

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Speaker 2: a historical monument in East Austin. And on that same

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Speaker 2: block there's there's the Victory Grill, there is like an

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Speaker 2: African American performing Arts center, There's a church, and Franklin's Barbecue,

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Speaker 2: reoral famous Barbecue. Those are all historical landmarks because everything

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Speaker 2: else around it is gentrification.

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Speaker 5: It is yoga studios, infusions, you know, man yogurt shops

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Speaker 5: and and you know, I've watched the city, you know,

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Speaker 5: in the last ten years really but since I've been

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Speaker 5: there really changed.

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Speaker 2: You know, most of the black and brown people who

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Speaker 2: were in e Sauceton got bought out. And you know,

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Speaker 2: they were selling those family houses for they were selling

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Speaker 2: the lot for five hundred, six hundred thousand. They cashed out.

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Speaker 2: But you know a lot of that culture is gone.

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Speaker 2: And you know, talk about Joe Rogan and them, listen, man,

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Speaker 2: that is a sign of the times, that that side

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Speaker 2: moving to the city and changing up a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: Like their comedy Mothership is in what was the old

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Speaker 2: right in the middle of downtown. So it's changed a lot, man,

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Speaker 2: it is. It is not the city I knew. There's

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Speaker 2: still you know, really cool spots and really cool people,

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Speaker 2: but it is a different world for sure.

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Speaker 1: And how like how do you adjust to that change

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Speaker 1: in like scene, is it like black saying black? It's

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Speaker 1: like black. Austin was there one day and then the

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Speaker 1: next day it was like, hey man, we're doing the

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Speaker 1: opposite of Cardon for vaccine. We want you to like

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Speaker 1: come here, Coffin, Like I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I I actually live in the suburb just

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Speaker 2: north of Austin called round Rock. Right before that it

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Speaker 3: So a lot of like I guess black flight moved

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Speaker 2: And so you know, if you if you look at

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Speaker 2: in the right places, you can still find your people,

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Speaker 2: you can still find your events. You gotta look, you

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Speaker 2: do to look, but it's still ways to find that

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Speaker 4: How was it adapting doing COVID because you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: in North Carolina and you know, we kind of we

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Speaker 4: kind of mixed, but Texas was like we don't give

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Speaker 1: So I mean, how how was that?

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Speaker 4: Like when you when you're walking around and you're like, hey,

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Speaker 4: so we not going we just the face is like

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Speaker 2: It was listen man, We me and my buddy God

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Speaker 2: Rest Soul. We were renting the house and so listen.

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't to you know, go to the grocery store,

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Speaker 2: we was at the house. You know, he I work

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Speaker 2: in education, he's a teacher and so a lot of

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Speaker 2: what we were doing with virtuals so be in his room,

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Speaker 2: Which is to say we could have been better citizens

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Speaker 2: because even though we didn't go to the party, the

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Speaker 2: partybody came to us days. But you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: we tried to keep it as safe as we could.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was people were running around. They were

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Speaker 2: going to you know, bars and restaurants and finding ways

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Speaker 2: and it's just like guys, like, we don't got to

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Speaker 2: do all that, right, we can't. We don't want to

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Speaker 2: tell you what you can and can't do. But like

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Speaker 2: he said, in Texas, it is it is.

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Speaker 1: It was, mister wild West, it really is. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like different.

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Speaker 4: It was like no rules I was like, Oh, so

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Speaker 4: we're not taking citizens to pay attention at all.

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Speaker 1: I saw on I saw on Twitter somebody was like,

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Speaker 1: what what did y'all call this game when you were

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Speaker 1: a kid? The game where you go up to somebody's

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Speaker 1: run away? And I was thinking. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: mean the name of the game was ding Dunk Ditch.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be damned if I ever seen nobody play

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Speaker 1: that in my neighborhood, because people got guns down here,

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Speaker 1: you know. I like, you just grew up in a

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Speaker 1: different place where you could approach a stranger, even a neighbor,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, like, I'm not sure a neighbor would

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Speaker 4: Just when you when you live in a place like that,

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Speaker 4: and particularly Texas has like lucid laws that we do

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Speaker 4: in North Carolina, and when you hear people be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you're not from here, dar's not blow your brains out?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: I got a fun COVID story.

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Speaker 2: We were out. You know, everybody had lived on social

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Speaker 2: media during COVID, Right, I get a d M from

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Speaker 2: this girl and she was like, hey, I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: come over and watch some NBA bob. I said, okay, cool.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't until she's on the way I realized I

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Speaker 3: do not.

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Speaker 2: Know this girl.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no idea who she is?

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Speaker 2: Right, she came over, she kicked it. It's a great time.

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Speaker 2: I told the story on Twitter and people were like, yo,

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Speaker 2: like you weren't nervous, Like she could have set you up?

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Speaker 2: Could have you? Boy?

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Speaker 3: I showed him the picture all the guns.

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Speaker 4: We got, well, we're not gonna do and.

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Speaker 2: Then listen, she was safe. I was safe. Everybody was

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Speaker 2: right shrewed up. Anybody showed me they were there something.

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Speaker 1: It's a different culture, dog I saw. I forget who

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Speaker 1: what basketball player was, but it was some dude that

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Speaker 1: and got him like a three D printed gun and

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Speaker 1: waiting at the door. I said, yeah, bro, it's different,

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Speaker 1: like it's no guarantee of your safety. Speaking like you

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Speaker 1: got into writing and wrestling, which feels like an oxymoron,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think. I don't think it has to

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Speaker 1: be what what did you get into first? The right know,

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Speaker 1: the wrestling was at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it was the rest. I was little man.

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Speaker 2: My uh, you know, my dad was into it. My

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Speaker 2: grandfather was into it. When my my parents got divorced

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Speaker 2: an airman in the Air Force, so she ain't had

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Speaker 2: no money, right, so she got a job at the

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Speaker 2: old Capital Center, the US Arena in d C. She

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Speaker 2: she would just take me with her and I just

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Speaker 2: be in the stands for whatever. So it could be

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Speaker 2: a Capital's game, it could be a bullets game. I

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Speaker 2: got to see you know, na turtles live like all

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Man, we was doing it. So

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Speaker 2: one time she took me to a w w F

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Speaker 2: like that was it, you know, like we were we

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Speaker 2: were we were off and running. But you know, every

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Speaker 2: every Saturday night before the Braves came on, so w

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Speaker 2: my dad, But yeah it was and it was interesting,

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Speaker 2: like you know, being from its guys in Carolina, Maryland

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Speaker 2: and too far apart.

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Speaker 3: It was never treated like.

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Speaker 2: A fake thing, even though we knew it was fake, right,

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Speaker 2: They would talk to me about it like it was sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah did you see you know you see this match,

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Speaker 2: we always just kind of treated like that. So the wrestling,

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Speaker 2: like ever since I was a little kid, and then

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Speaker 2: of course, you know I grew up.

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Speaker 3: I'm in middle school, elementary school.

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Speaker 2: He called and he was like, yo, I don't know

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Speaker 1: I always say, man, it's so interesting, especially with social media,

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Speaker 1: How about yours, Karen, It's go.

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Speaker 4: Ahead, baby, I'm sorry, no, I want you to go yes, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And similar to Roger.

437
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 4: When the Rock came back, I said, oh, who is

438
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 4: this fine man? These drawls with his face like sir,

439
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 4: and so like for me, that's what n.

440
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: About me back and he was funny. Yes, he was

441
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: like he had actual like he had godly he had

442
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,719
Speaker 1: godly comedic timing at that point, Like it wasn't just

443
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: a laughing at him thing like a lot of wrestler.

444
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: It's almost like y'all about to be laughing at me

445
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: because like I'm silly, like oh look, I gotta come

446
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: on or whatever. This motherfucker used to be roasting people.

447
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: I still remember because like I said, Sean, Sean would

448
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: buy the like VHS tape of the Rock and like

449
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: we just watched the highlights, and there was one and

450
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,239
Speaker 1: that's that's really what sold me, was the highlights. But

451
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: there was one where he was like he was fighting

452
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: the dude he hit him with the bell from the

453
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 1: fucking ring and and it went off like thing. He

454
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: was like bells ringing bells. I was like, turn that out.

455
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 4: And and for me, I used to love h He'd

456
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 4: be like, can you smell what the Rock is cooking?

457
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 4: And like I would randomly say that phrase to today,

458
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: like like I just love that fucking phrase.

459
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't, it doesn't matter. He would cut off

460
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: people when there was asking him questions. They're a journalists,

461
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: they just got to ask you a questions like what

462
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: do you think about this? What's your name? It doesn't

463
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: matter like this.

464
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 4: Something for me, And so I was like, oh, this

465
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 4: is kind of the joy that I had when I

466
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 4: was younger. And so for me, social media even opened

467
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 4: up my eyes even more to wrestling because when I

468
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: got on social media, man on Monday nights and Thursday

469
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: nights like like like it would be in your my

470
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 4: whole timeline for it was full full of black folks,

471
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 4: and they would be like, hey, I would I would

472
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 4: know when any any pay per view was coming up.

473
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know when when any match was coming up.

474
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: I would know what black person was was was breaking

475
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 4: history like the like they.

476
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: Would just let me know.

477
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: And I was like oh, And I was.

478
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 4: Like, I'm glad that y'all still have a joy for this,

479
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 4: you know this thing.

480
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: So cam back to the question I was gonna ask

481
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: for you. I just want us to get that part in.

482
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: But when you go to interview this wrestler, do you

483
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna do it like in character? Is

484
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: it like I'm interviewing the person or I'm interviewing the

485
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: the like the persona like And what determines that I've

486
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: heard the term cafe, but I'm not one hundred si

487
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: sure what I think it means. People that stay in character.

488
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: But like, how do you know, as the interviewer or

489
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: the person that's talking to him, which which one of

490
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: them is showing up that day.

491
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: I think I was lucky enough to come into it

492
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: at a time where it's kind of understood you are

493
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: getting the person and not the character. Okay, okay, So

494
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: like a really cool thing was you talking about, you know,

495
00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: being a fan of the eighties in the eighties. When

496
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: I got on with with the Bringer, the first thing

497
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: I did was call my buddy Ricky Starks. She goes

498
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: by Ricky Saints now. He lives here in Austin. I'd

499
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: known him for a while. I give him a call.

500
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: We get on with AW. We do the thing. It's great.

501
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: I interviewed a couple of AW people. Then I interviewed

502
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: my man, Carmelo Hayes from w W Week. But I

503
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: had I didn't know the people in AW as far

504
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: as like public relations under that, but public relations typically

505
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: sits on the call with you when you're doing the interview.

506
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: So with Ricky, you know, that's my man. I've probably

507
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: been writing that story for two years before we even talked,

508
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: so we probably came across really great as a conversation

509
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: today guy and then I interviewed it's one guy they

510
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: have who's actually from North Carolina, my man Dak's Harwood,

511
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: and then Tony Storm So that goes great. So by

512
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: this time, it's like the end of the year, and

513
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: I said, I was trying to make a splash, right.

514
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: I was like, it's the end of the year. I

515
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: want to do something cool, said Danny. I need to

516
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: talk to the man. He was like, you want to

517
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: talk to Tony Khan. I was like, no, I don't want.

518
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: To talk to Tony Khan.

519
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: I don't. I actually have no interest in talking to

520
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: billionaires or people with access to billion dollars about anything,

521
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: Like what are we gonna talk about? Right, you're probably

522
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: a nice guy. I can't relate to that you got

523
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: going on. You can't relate to that, right, I said, no,

524
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: I want to talk to the man. I want to

525
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: talk to Sting. And he was like, all right, let

526
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: me ask him.

527
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 6: So next thing I know, I want the phone Sting, right, Wow,

528
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 6: And to answer your question, what I was asking Sting

529
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 6: about was how his retirement tour in a W had

530
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 6: gone so smooth, and how it didn't work out in

531
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 6: W c W he didn't more great and TNA it.

532
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: Did not work in WW. So I think with me,

533
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: the approach is always what are your motivations? What got

534
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: you here? You know? You know, how does how does

535
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: your body feel? What's your outlook on what's gonna happen?

536
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: So I think I don't think I've ever gotten anybody

537
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: who's really leaned into character because I'm asking you things

538
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: about your your life, not being intrusive, but what makes

539
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: you want to be man in face paint, man in

540
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: tight you know? And I mean every once in a while,

541
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: like I'll ask a question that kind of demands something

542
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: in character, like you know, like who do you who

543
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: do you want to fight? Or I had a guy

544
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago he had just sun with

545
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: a W. My man tomorrow so Champa, And I was like, Shampa,

546
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: you know you've been a W W WEE all your

547
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: buddies are ay a W Who do you want to fight?

548
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: And he gives me some names.

549
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: My man cam Knight is uh yeah, he's actually fight

550
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: the champion, uh this come of Wednesday. But my man

551
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: cam Knight, God from Atlanta, Georgia, to play safety in college,

552
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, hyper athletic. I said, cam Knight, Dad, he

553
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 2: wants it. And the guy stops and he says, no,

554
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 2: he doesn't what he wants he said. Credit to him

555
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: Mann anthlety Kid is a great book. Take. I'll lock

556
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: him down if I need to.

557
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 7: But so every one the moment, you'll get more of

558
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 7: people in character at like press conferences, you know, because

559
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 7: they'll ham it up a little bit then. But yeah,

560
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 7: for the most part, I think the space that they

561
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 7: operate in now you are kind of getting me person

562
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 7: with some of the caller.

563
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: That makes sense because I watch ESPN sometimes in the

564
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: morning and they're like awkwardly trying to like combine wrestling

565
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: with sports and they haven't quite figured out the formula yet.

566
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think, to be honest, they really

567
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: need to bring in some like people from the writing

568
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: side and the hosting side of wrestling onto those spaces. Yes,

569
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: to be the bridge rather than to have like you know,

570
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: Steve and a try to ask the miss something because

571
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: it's just it's like a little too they don't have

572
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: enough of the knowledge and it's not familiar enough, and

573
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: so it just comes off like like a paid advertising

574
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: instead of like somebody kicking it, which I think they

575
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: they I think what they would like is to have

576
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: like the personalities come there and kick it. That makes

577
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: me at home go oh, I do seem pretty cool

578
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: and then bam, I'm watching wrestling. But they haven't figured

579
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: it out yet, you know.

580
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: You know David Dennis right, yes, Okay, so he was

581
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: on there going into the pay per view. He was

582
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: on there like Friday morning, and he has interviewing Cody

583
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: Rhodes and everybody's asked questions and that David stops. He says, Cody,

584
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: I just want to apologize. Nobody said happy black hens

585
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: through much to you, Rahiem and David right. So I

586
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: think they're absolutely still kind of finding the way to

587
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: do that. Like I know, you know, oh, Jackson Junior

588
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: and and his guy who is Rich Eisen what producers

589
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: They had John Cena on that and that was again.

590
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, it's mixed. It's like to various degrees. They

591
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: like you could tell us still early in the phase

592
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: of trying to work it out. Oh, what's the dogs name?

593
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: He said?

594
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: Booster? Booster was like, I need some attention. Uh boost.

595
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna get on this podcast. I

596
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: don't care if I gotta play with this toy. I'm

597
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: get my. I'm gonna get my.

598
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: Now, what's the difference when you were saying how when

599
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 4: they interview people, When you interview people, you get the person.

600
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: I know this might sound sitty, but I want to

601
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: get to understand what's in between that and the ones

602
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: that are like playing where they come out and they

603
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: outfits and it's like somebody talking to them and they

604
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: like come out and they talk. I'm gonna destroy this

605
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: person like like like like that is different from what

606
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: you do.

607
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: Correct.

608
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those so that's gonna be like those are

609
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: people employed by those companies. Okay, Cat, you got sure

610
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: your Byrons Saxton. But yeah, a lot of those people,

611
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: a lot of them did like go to college for

612
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: broadcasting and did go for journalism and work other places beforehand.

613
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot and and and credit to them

614
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: keeping straight faces during.

615
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't have bro what I mean that infamous Hawk

616
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Hogan we coming for you, nigga, Like I would have walked.

617
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: I would have literally run away from the camera laughing

618
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: like they were like what rid, you gotta hold the mic.

619
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm down here now. I can't believe

620
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: that just happened, that this is my life. Hey today

621
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: credit They be like, all right, God coming back, We'll

622
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: see anything.

623
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they locked in May he's selling themselves. They

624
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: were like, this is what I'm gonna do when.

625
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I get my hands on him and we get in

626
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: the ring, and like you have to be in like yeah,

627
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the rock rock, Like if the rock is that funny,

628
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: I can't just be there holding that mic. I'm laughing,

629
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: you know.

630
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he've been delivering them lines.

631
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: We did a thing. Uh it was.

632
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: It was an aw show in uh July. And it's me,

633
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: it's Shelton Benjamin, it's Bobby Lashley, and it's m v P.

634
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: And if you ever met Shelton Benjamin and Bobby Lashley

635
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: and m v P ain't three of the biggest niggas

636
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: that ever exists. They are monsters. Shelton Shelton from Orangeburg,

637
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: South Carolina, a D one wrestler from Minnesota. Bobby Lashley

638
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: armed Forces champ, m v P did ten years in

639
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: the pen, so he big.

640
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: Different type of big, functional functional.

641
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm with all them and they they're they're in character

642
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: pretty much when we're talking. But I've interviewed lastly, I've

643
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: met Shelton. You know, I know p So we're all

644
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: like Sander talking. So I say, uh, I said, Shelton,

645
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: you know you've been a tag team guy forever. You know,

646
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: you and Charlie Halls had so much success. And what's

647
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: it like tag team with Bobby Lashley? He said, man, really,

648
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: it just makes it easier to win. And I was like,

649
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of unfair, right, and Peace stops

650
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: me and he's like, fair, what you mean fair? They

651
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: know what they signed up for. He does to think.

652
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, so if you're telling me, if you

653
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: if you in Africa and you on the planes and

654
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: you see a gazelle and he's out here walking and

655
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: he does a little arm thing and I stopped saying

656
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: how was he walking? Pee? Everybody just bust it get

657
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: to a point again. They couldn't. I couldn't do it right, Yeah, yeah,

658
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: because I would be like, no, this is funny as him.

659
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: I gotta laugh.

660
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how they do it.

661
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 4: Man.

662
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: When I see those, Yeah, I'm always like, bro, you like,

663
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. It's not necessarily scripted in

664
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: that you're like reading a teleprompter like the Rock says.

665
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Certain things are certain timing, like when you get the

666
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what your name is. Perfect, Like Dog,

667
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I would just fold over crime laughing, and they'd be like,

668
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: this isn't even working like this, this bit actually only

669
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: works if you look intimidated when he cuts you off, like,

670
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: but it's so fucking funny. Dog.

671
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: I would be wrapping them up like.

672
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm looking at the camera. It don't matter

673
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: what my name is. He's right, it don't matter. No, Rod,

674
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to go. It's not a yes, and

675
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: yeah nobody did you Did you ever try your hand

676
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: in wrestling? Did you ever like whether the like the

677
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: academic in school wrestling or the entertaining style.

678
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Never, never really wanted to.

679
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: You know, you grow up in Texas, you play football,

680
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: play football, you run track, your power left.

681
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: It's pretty much a year round thing.

682
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: So it was never I never had interest in like

683
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: participating on that level. You know, I knew I was

684
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: gonna go to college, I knew I was gonna get

685
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: a good job, and I knew I was just gonna

686
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: go from there and enjoy things right on the outside.

687
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: Like you know, I got a bunch of guys I

688
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: went to school with who went to know a D

689
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: two or D three school, tried to walk on somewhere.

690
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: That last day of football was the last day of football,

691
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like it was done.

692
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: I never really And so what's interesting now?

693
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: I spend so much time not just around like the

694
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: WW and AW guys, but I go to like the

695
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: shows at the high school gyms or the shows at

696
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: the bars, you know.

697
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: Like the independent kids.

698
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: And you know that we're talking nineteen twenty years old,

699
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, with hopes of joining WW. He hopes to

700
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: join the AAW. And I love it, man, I love

701
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: picking those kids brains, writing about them when I get

702
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: a chance, and just like going like it. It's crazy

703
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: going to an independent show and being the most famous

704
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: person at the show, you know, because these kids are

705
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: trying to come up right and so like and and

706
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: it's cool because they'll like thank you for being there

707
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: and be like happy they met.

708
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: You, and it's like, no, it's not what you have

709
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: You Have you seen anybody at one of these shows

710
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: that later on went on to be in like a

711
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: W or w B.

712
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, can you tell?

713
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Like can you when you see him, You're like, okay,

714
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: that dude.

715
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: There's this girl from Dallas and N's Maya World, and

716
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: uh she is Maya probably about about five three but

717
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: solid as a rock, super athletic. Uh used to come

718
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: out to this Lotto song that I don't listen to. No,

719
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: damn got the song of rotation though, great attitude, but

720
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: everybody knew, you know what I mean, everybody.

721
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: Knew it was happening.

722
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: And then her and another girl I wrote about, they

723
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: got signed with a W like two months ago. No,

724
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: it happens all the time. Like I actually wrote a

725
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: I wrote a easy I guess we'll call it right.

726
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: It was.

727
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: I worked with my great artist Laura Moran.

728
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: I called it the next up line up, And so

729
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: it was like five wrestlers who I knew were going

730
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: to get there, not because let me see, you know,

731
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: I gotta pull it up. Yeah, not because like I'm special,

732
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: but because I knew, like they are good. And so

733
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: some of them were already signed, but some of them

734
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: were kind of on their way and we uh after this,

735
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: you know a few of them, like one of them

736
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: was my man Trick Williams, who had a huge reaction

737
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: on Saturday night. I sold you maya just got signed.

738
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: It's funny. The other girl mine wasn't on there. Her

739
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 2: tag team partner I Arm was on there. By that time,

740
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: Jordan Grace had got moved up to uh.

741
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: Jordan Grace had got moved up to the main roster

742
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: in w W LEE.

743
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: Now, so you know there is an understanding and not

744
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: just like from somebody watching on the outside the whole time,

745
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: like I know such and such is goin to be

746
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: out here. I know somebody's looking at them. And you'll

747
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: see like coaches show up.

748
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: You know, you'll.

749
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: See certain people backstage that don't normally be backstage, Like

750
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: you know.

751
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: What, what is what is a coach doing in wrestling?

752
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: In this type of wrestling? Is it the more the physical,

753
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: like hey, you gotta you gotta know your technique for

754
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: when you grab this person or you jump off the road,

755
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: or is it the other stuff too? That's like, hey man,

756
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: when you give an interview, you gotta have this type

757
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: of energy or like it don't matter how good you wrestling,

758
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: if don't nobody want to watch this shit? Like how

759
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: like how do they balance.

760
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: That they are full service coaches.

761
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Okay, like you are.

762
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: So like with like a w W at XT, you

763
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: are going to one person or two people for psychology,

764
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: you are going to a promo class. No, they literally

765
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: put them kids in class and like teach them history,

766
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: like the history of w W. Teach down there so

767
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: that you know what you're doing, right.

768
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, people, people wrestlers who are deep in the wrestling.

769
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: That ship is real.

770
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 4: So you don't want random ass questions about somebody that

771
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: was like before you were born and you.

772
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Look like uh.

773
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: Right, And that's probably why they teach them that, particularly

774
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 4: once you're on sarchin level. And my question is this,

775
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: I know a lot of things have changed, but with

776
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: social media and like particularly in college and with the

777
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: n I L, with the n i LS and all

778
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: that stuff, have you seen more people now with agents

779
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: at an earlier age and have you seen more people

780
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: getting targeted kind of younger and younger?

781
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what a great question. I have great questions.

782
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: So when I was Royal Rumble was in San Antonio,

783
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: I did put a link to the previous so you

784
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: guys can see what I'm talking about. Okay, but uh,

785
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: when the Royal Rumble was in San Antonio at the

786
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: beginning of twenty twenty.

787
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: Three.

788
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: WWE invited me to their nil dinner and so, you know,

789
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: we get there to the dinner and you know, Big

790
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: E who played football at Iowa, was there. Omas who

791
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: played basketball at South Florida, is there. Bianca bell Air,

792
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: who ran track at Tennessee. She's there, so so all

793
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: the kids can meet them. But I'm sitting next to

794
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: these kids who are shot putters and cheerleaders and basketball

795
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: players still in college. Right, I'm saying, hey, when you

796
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: come out, WWE, you know has something for you. Right,

797
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: And even like we reflected the preview, Uh, you know,

798
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: Trick was a receiver at Hampton and at South Carolina.

799
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: keV played at the college in New York. So yes,

800
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: they are looking for the kids in college. Because that's

801
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: that's the other thing about why it was always something

802
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: I kind of took serious. Again, I'm a I'm a

803
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: Texas guy, I'm a football guy. So many of these

804
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: guys came from college football. You know, the Rock University

805
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: in Miami, Stone Cold, Steve Austin Unt, you know, even

806
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, Kevin Nash played basketball at Tennessee. You know

807
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys come from that super athletic background,

808
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: and so yeah, they are absolutely still looking for that.

809
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, n I l if they see you got

810
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: promise like they're looking at you in college.

811
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that because and you talked about

812
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: like different levels like like is it like semi pro

813
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: pro like like like and I and that's just out

814
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 4: of my ignorance, like I know, it's like this is

815
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: like the big boys, and there's probably some up underneath them.

816
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, So like on on the independent level, you know,

817
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: you have your big error independent brands who can go

818
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: to a big city and run a show. They'll go

819
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: to whatever town WrestleMania's and they'll run a really big

820
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: show that weekend because they have that notoriety right like

821
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: here in Texas, uh right now, New Texas out of

822
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 2: Houston is kind of the the big independent promotion. While

823
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: they have good indie talents, you'll also see people who

824
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: are signed to like an aw come down and you know,

825
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: wrestle their champion to wrestle somebody high up on their card.

826
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: So absolutely, and then kind of the if that's like

827
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: the independent level, you'll have your your mid majors, like

828
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: A like a Major League Wrestling, and then of course

829
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: the uh kind of at that at that highest level,

830
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: you'll have your w W E R A, w R

831
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: t NA, which you're gonna have those those super recognizable stars.

832
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: And then once you start talking about international, you have

833
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: your New Japans, you have your CMLLL, your uh A,

834
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: your Triple A in Mexico. So yes, the answer is

835
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: absolutely yes. Trying to sort them all out would take

836
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: so long. But there's absolutely the really small indie, the

837
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: recognizable indie kind of THEND, and then you'll have the

838
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: stuff that you see on TV.

839
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's kind of like sports too in that, like

840
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: fans of wrestling, by the nature of just life and

841
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: entertainment and how corporate our culture has would come you

842
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of end up learning all the back door stuff

843
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: with the companies, like oh this company bought this company,

844
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: and oh they they wouldn't sign this wrestler. So like

845
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: when you when I was younger, it just kind of

846
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: all felt like motherfuckers are just putting on costumes and

847
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: wrestling every week. You know, it's like, oh yeah, it's simple.

848
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: And then then you grow up and you get stuff

849
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: like the dark side of the ring and you get

850
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: all this like background to like, nah, this is what

851
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: happened to homie or oh you thought this one wrestler

852
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: had just quit? Nah man, they did blank, So like

853
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: I can imagine that, you know, much like sports as

854
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: I've gotten older, has become the similar like oh, nah,

855
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: you know the real reason they trade Luca Doncon so

856
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: they could move a team to Las Vegas. I'm like, what,

857
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: whoa what? I just thought they thought he was lazy, right,

858
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: you know? So how do we turn?

859
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: And Roger, you're making me think when it's something that

860
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: you love, like people wrestling in love that thing like

861
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: I love like Marvel.

862
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: So for me, I get into the weeds. Like a

863
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: lot of people, I know way more about that ship

864
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: than I used to be a kid that just was like, oh,

865
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: cartoon movie or whatever. Now I'm like, oh, nah man,

866
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: Spider Man can't be in that because just the third

867
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: movie and they can't take like once you optioned, once

868
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: you optioned the actor for five movies that you can't

869
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: just burn that. I'm like, what is happened to my brain?

870
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: That used to I used to just be like, oh,

871
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Spider Man in the movie that was it?

872
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's also one of the things where just

873
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 4: like like you say when you when you we're talking,

874
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: you was making me think about the marble stuff, and

875
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: I was thinking, yeah, like I'm somebody who if somebody

876
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 4: tells me all the Marvel movies is the same, my

877
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: brain explodes.

878
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm that type of note.

879
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: I was like, no, Ben, motherfucker's ain't the same. No,

880
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: Sony is fucking terrible. Because marbles show up, it don't

881
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: mean it's fightinging them and they look at me like

882
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: I've lost my mind.

883
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: My my uncle, who grew up you know, obviously in

884
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: the time before us, he's still very like he don't

885
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: know any of it. So when we have nerd conversation,

886
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: he loves talking to me about nerd movies and stuff,

887
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: but he'll he'll like give me his pitch, his ideas.

888
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: Oh somebody said chat, Yeah, Dad.

889
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: He really had pulled out the shirt and everything, not

890
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: the airbrushie guerrero on the back. I feel like I

891
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: was just saying Gangstelen right now for my home man.

892
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is kind of interesting how that all

893
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: goes down with the like, uh, the knowing the background

894
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: of it, because like my uncle, he grew up in

895
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: a different time, so he'll he'll talk to me about

896
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: nerd stuff whenever he sees a movie, like, nephew, let

897
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: me ask you about this. Did you like Superman or whatever.

898
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I loved it, blah blah blah whatever.

899
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: And then he'll be like, you know what they should

900
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: doing the sequel, The should have Captain America fight Superman.

901
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, you you grew up before any

902
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: of that mattered, Like you didn't even know what company

903
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: made the movie, when like it's a simpler time, almost

904
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: miss it, almost not knowing and not being like, you know,

905
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: the reason that they had to stop the Netflix Marvel

906
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: shows is because Disney bottom. That's not because the shows

907
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: is doing bad, Like it's too much. I'd rather just

908
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: go back to hoping that, you know, uh uh making

909
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: my toys together. Iron Man could fight g I Joe

910
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: and just move on my Like.

911
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: It's nice to have a level of respect and a

912
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: level of trust to where like the wrestlers and the

913
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: people in wrestling companies will confide things in you and

914
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: talk to you about things.

915
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: But it's also like I wish I didn't know any

916
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: of them.

917
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: These are my heroes, not my hero.

918
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: They have problems too.

919
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: No, man, I made that joke the other day about

920
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: something in wrestling, or maybe I retweeted Rick Flair or something.

921
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: It was like Rick Flair did something cool or whatever.

922
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: You know, we see Rick. We're from Charlotte, so we

923
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: see Ric Flair all the time, like like it's not

924
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: even like a It's like not even an event anymore,

925
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I was a haresteeter. Rick Flair came

926
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: out like every like tenth time you see him, somebody'll

927
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: go whoo, but that's about all, you know what I mean.

928
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think he tweeted something or somebody retweeted

929
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: him or something, and a person I was looking at

930
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: the replies, a person had a picture of what appeared

931
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: to be Rick Flair going down on a woman in

932
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: an airplane.

933
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: And.

934
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: It was like, well, when you gonna answer this? And

935
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: I was like, boy, it was a time when we

936
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to know this about our We wasn't supposed

937
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: to know from we did. I assume it, yes, but

938
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: I didn't have visual confirmation knowing needed. We know way

939
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: too much now, and you know, wrestling, man, like it

940
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: can get super dark with some of this stuff. So like,

941
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: how do especially I think during COVID and during like

942
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: Me Too movement, during some of the racial putback and

943
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: stuff pushed back on, like at the George Floyd and

944
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: all that stuff Black Lives Matter movement, it was that

945
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: what was it like to be like around wrestling during

946
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: that time? Because I think a large part of wrestling

947
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: when I was a kid was like, yes, it's racist,

948
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: but it's kind of supposed to.

949
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 4: Be, right, like that's just thing you But I'm here.

950
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, And I think during like the last say

951
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: ten years, it was like but do it have to be?

952
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: And it's like it opened up a whole new possibility

953
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: for black people in wrestling. So what was it like

954
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: to be around the wrestling world as that reckoning came through?

955
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 2: For me too? During wrestling It's really crazy because it

956
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 2: was a lot of again independent wrestling man like where

957
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: of course, you know, we all know what WW is

958
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: going through right now with vinscment Man, which is wow, insane, insane, they're.

959
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: Still going through it because like, is he still is

960
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: he still around? I thought he like divested or whatever.

961
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's not around, But depending on who you ask,

962
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: they'll say, yes, he is I don't got.

963
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: No, Okay, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah it was.

964
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: You know, there was the there's a ring boy scandal

965
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: saying that you know, they had a dude from way

966
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: back who was the boys, not the men, the boys

967
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: they used to have the ring that he was touching

968
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: them in appropriately. They settled on that. It was a lot.

969
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: But even really during me too on the independent level,

970
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: independent wrestling is really the wild West. There's no governing body,

971
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: there's no TV sponsors, and find out a lot of

972
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: people streating a lot of people bad, a.

973
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: Lot of all and so because they ain't no hr.

974
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: Did y'all watch any of that America's Next Top Model documentary?

975
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: No, no, I did, but it felt like, uh, if

976
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: you watched The American's Top American Top Model and you

977
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: didn't know all that was happening, that you was just

978
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: literally willfully ignorant. Yeah. I barely watched the show and

979
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they are treating these people bad, but

980
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: go ahead.

981
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: But no, what I a part of the documentary is

982
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: people on reels and TikTok and YouTube and all that

983
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: relitigating what they want.

984
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 6: Right.

985
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: So it is kind of a thing with social media

986
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: where people aren't wrong for stating the things that we know,

987
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: but being of a certain age, it's weird, like and

988
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: it's not a dispersion on either of you, because I'm

989
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: sure your family's absolutely perfect. But you know, I know,

990
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, no stories per from otherwise. You know, somebody's

991
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: your granddaddy used to beat your grandma, but we never

992
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: talked about it. Your granddaddy had a family across town,

993
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: but we never talked about Right, there's not talking about

994
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: it anymore. And so it is again, especially you know,

995
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm not I wasn't twenty during COVID. I was billing

996
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: to my third So there is a real reckoning in

997
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: real time of oh we were going to talk about this.

998
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: People are upset about this, Like there was Listen Man,

999
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: when when Kobe Kingston got his push to win the

1000
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: ww title, it was it was crazy. You know, you

1001
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: got one side saying we should have had this, he's

1002
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: the guy. Why haven't we had a black champion other

1003
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: than the Rocket Booker t in forever? And you know,

1004
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: there was a pushback about, you know, on the other side,

1005
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: why it shouldn't be that. I think what really happened though,

1006
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: shout out to guys like cash shout out to guys

1007
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: like Willet. We did find like you were saying, Twitter

1008
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: and social media on Monday nights, it was like, there's

1009
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: all these black people into that, right. I think with

1010
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: whatever people agreed or disagree with when we found community

1011
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: during COVID, I think it made it made all the

1012
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: things you felt valid as far as like black people

1013
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: and brown people in their space and wrestling and how

1014
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 2: they should be treated. And if you look at it now,

1015
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: it ain't perfect, but it's a lot better now.

1016
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: It's obviously a lot better just from like I said,

1017
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: just from what I can see as a person that's

1018
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: a casual observer. Like shit, I still remember like a

1019
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and it started coming down my

1020
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 1: timeline be these badass black women looking fine as fuck

1021
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: and they'd be wrestling. I was like, what what what

1022
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: is this again? What when is this happening like this?

1023
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like that when I was coming up,

1024
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, And so it definitely is like something to it.

1025
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: I think also, like wrestling is still a business. It's

1026
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: capitalism and the bad parts of capitalism we're well documented,

1027
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: we all know. But the quote unquote good part of

1028
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: capitalism is when it's just like, oh, it's some money

1029
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: over there, it's some money, like like I always call

1030
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: it Disney capitalism, where I'm like, I don't give Disney

1031
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: credit for being like, oh, it's such a great court,

1032
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: there's such a woke company that looks out for us.

1033
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, does it spend money too. I was like,

1034
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: what I like about Disney is that for after forty

1035
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: years of Star Wars with just like two black people

1036
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: and the whole goddamn thing black people, was on Twitter

1037
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: like I wish I could buy some Star Wars and

1038
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: they was like, we got you. Hold on, hold on,

1039
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: get some people on the phone. Let's go get this money.

1040
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: I feel like wrestling has kind of done that. It's

1041
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: had to adjust with the culture, like whenever there's a

1042
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: cultural change, I guess my question.

1043
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: I talked to Shawn Michaels last year, and Shawn Michaels

1044
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: is in charge of NXT, which is essentially ww's college

1045
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: class in a better way of saying it, right, it's

1046
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: where you go before you get to the main roster.

1047
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I said, look, Sean, you know

1048
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: you have uh trick Williams. You got Carmelo Hayes, you

1049
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: got over family, you got you know, NXT.

1050
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: At the top is noticeably black.

1051
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Is that by design? He said? Listen, man, I would

1052
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: love to take credit for it, but they the best

1053
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: guys we got, right Like, and I'm not going to

1054
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: deny the best people we got because of how they look.

1055
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: It's a good problem. And I was like, yeah, is

1056
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: the great his.

1057
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Space exists in a lot of society. Now we're getting

1058
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: a cultural pushback. You know, even Trump's election people look

1059
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: as a cultural pushback. And you know, all these corporations

1060
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: like you know, targets like take down the black signs.

1061
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: We're good now.

1062
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: Now they crying because they don't lost money because they

1063
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: don't realize niggas spend money too.

1064
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wrestling the year. Yeah exactly, And like I

1065
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: don't even be participating like that. It's just literally it

1066
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: was so blatant, Like I can't if you It's like

1067
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: I always say about R Kelly, it's not that I'm

1068
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: such a great person that I would never listen to

1069
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: somebody who did a crime. I've obviously listened to artists that,

1070
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: but if your music make me think about the crime,

1071
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to listen to the fucking music. Man,

1072
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: That's not my fault, that's you. Yes, And I feel like,

1073
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: you know, that's what happens in a lot of these areas.

1074
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: That's what happened with Target is I can't go to

1075
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: Target without thinking, like, man, they kind of through black

1076
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: people in the trash. They like, I go to Walmart,

1077
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: And I remember I was telling somebody like I went

1078
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: to Walmart instead. There was like, oh, Walmart had been

1079
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: fucked up with black people. I was like, well, they

1080
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: didn't do it lately.

1081
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where everybody going.

1082
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: They got another six months or whatever. So yeah, it's wrestling.

1083
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: Is there any feeling of people trying to push it

1084
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: back to the old days of like, hey man, we

1085
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: gotta go it's getting too woke or whatever the fuck

1086
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: people are saying in other areas of life.

1087
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: I think, and the genie's at the bottle, man, I

1088
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: don't think you can go back. I think so, like

1089
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: even on on my level, right, they I'm one of

1090
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: the people, but not just not just the people. I'm

1091
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: one of the people. They send black and brown people too,

1092
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: because they know that that story is gonna get told

1093
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: the right way. They know that we can talk about

1094
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: things I had. There's those on the flip side. I

1095
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: had one wrestler tell me. I asked the wrestler about

1096
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: how how black it was right now? He said, man,

1097
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: were the best at it? Like, what can we do?

1098
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not gonna put that piece right.

1099
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: Let me say, I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna save you.

1100
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 2: But a white person might have left it in there.

1101
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: Knowing that there's a pushback that he will receive, right.

1102
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: But no, Yeah, it's there's too much talent at the

1103
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: top at this point.

1104
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: Now, I'll say this, there are still white wrestlers who

1105
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: don't want.

1106
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: To lose the black wrestlers.

1107
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: I can imagine, and that it's like being it's like

1108
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: being the Alexis Texas and wrestling.

1109
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Alexis Texas is from Sanato, and so

1110
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: I knew Alexis Texas.

1111
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: I had a lot of but I had a lot

1112
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: of brothers knew her outside of the work.

1113
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: I knew she was. I knew she wasn't in her wraps.

1114
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: That's the word on the street, that's the word on

1115
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: the stag.

1116
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 3: Texas A local hero.

1117
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: Anyway, I think, and I think the biggest thing about it.

1118
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 2: When you have women like Beyoncle bell Air and women

1119
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: like Mercedes on Neck who you can't one, everybody wants

1120
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: to look at them. Everybody wants to be them. They

1121
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: got little white girls with big fake Beyoncle bell Air brains,

1122
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: no black face.

1123
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's like the first time you

1124
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: see a white kid in black panther and like you

1125
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: had to have that moment in your brain. Is this okay? Actually,

1126
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: this is great, this is amazing.

1127
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: This is what I said this for years, and this

1128
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: was before Java said. If you look at uh, you remember

1129
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: Ahmed Johnson. Okay, you can Ahmed Johnson. You look at

1130
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: Ron Simmons for Rooke, you look at the Rock, you

1131
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: look at Show Benjamin vincmic Man, and like go back

1132
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: before that Rock's dad, Rocky Johnson, Tony Atlas, like Vince

1133
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: McMahon always wanted the all American black babyface and is

1134
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: the thing that he wanted because he understood the value

1135
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: in that. You know, he's he's a guy from the South.

1136
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: He knows he knows that guy from high school, he

1137
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: knows that guy from the diner, he knows that guy

1138
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: from the driving Like you know, that guy they found

1139
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: it in bei Uncle bell Air, And I don't know

1140
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: if it was on purpose, but that is the most

1141
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, all American beautiful girl, big smile, shoulder as

1142
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: big as the room, makes her own gear and looks

1143
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: fly doing it like he found that, and that thing

1144
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: appeals to everybody, whether they're white, black, or in between,

1145
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like there's somebody said it

1146
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: years ago. They were like, if every major American sport,

1147
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: if the man or woman at the top is typically black,

1148
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: why wouldn't that happen in wrestling, in simulated sport? Like

1149
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: how you you can't make sense of it, you know,

1150
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: especially when you have the ability to choose who makes

1151
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: it and who doesn't, you know, So I think that

1152
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't overcorrection isn't the word. But now, like right now,

1153
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: like just on ww's main roster, we got three niggas

1154
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 2: with dreads at the top. We got a nigga from

1155
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: South Carolina, we got my man, Javon Devins from North Carolina.

1156
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: We got a nigga from Lagos, Nigeria at the top

1157
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: doing it. And they're undeniable and there's nobody who can

1158
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: say they shouldn't be there because they're just that good.

1159
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Why was it because I, like I said, I follow

1160
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: it on the peripher but my friends who are deep

1161
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 1: in the wrestling, it was like a big deal when

1162
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: it was time for a black person to become champion again?

1163
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: How long was the dearth of like, you know, not

1164
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: having a black champion between that?

1165
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know the Rock was off and on

1166
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: retired right, but the Rock won his first w W

1167
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: championship in nineteen ninety eight. The second black WW champion

1168
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: was during Covid.

1169
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: Oh I actually.

1170
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 3: Saw right before Kobe Kingston the year before.

1171
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: Covid, I apologized whoa. So basically it took until like

1172
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: WrestleMania thirty seven. It's like it's like.

1173
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: Years, I said the whole time. Oh my god, how

1174
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: how long did he state champion?

1175
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: Koch A?

1176
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Good?

1177
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: Like a half year eight month run? It was okay,

1178
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: but because I.

1179
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: Know, I just know how we are, and I know

1180
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: people is like they're gonna he's gonna lose.

1181
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, what they had him lose in one

1182
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 2: move to brock lesnar Ah. It was. It was bad.

1183
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: It was bad. Oh man, I forgot about the worst

1184
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: any of them. Oh no, t was w c W champion,

1185
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: and when he went to w W, they made him

1186
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: World Heavyweight Champion, which was an extension of the w

1187
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: c W title. They made Mark Henry World Heavyweight Champion.

1188
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: They might made Bobby Lashley e c W champion, but

1189
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: no between the rock but in his first title in

1190
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: ninety eight and Kofe winning his I mean and Batista,

1191
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, Batista.

1192
01:00:54,520 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: Black, but yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like he's like Tiger

1193
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: Wood's son one. Yeah, it counts right, like he in

1194
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia page. But we know what it is in

1195
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: the streets, you know.

1196
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: There you go, we go. Yeah, So yeah, it was

1197
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: that long. And of course, like shortly thereafter Bobby Lashley

1198
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: wanted and Kobe Kingston wonted, I'm sorry, and Biggie wanted

1199
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: like so it.

1200
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: So now so now they're in the rotation, okay.

1201
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: And then of course like the Uncle bel Air and

1202
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: Sasha Banks, Mercedes Monet and then you know women's w

1203
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: W champion. Don't want to take any credit away from them,

1204
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was a big gap. It was a

1205
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: really big gap. It mattered when it came around that.

1206
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: Second time and what's and I know there's a difference,

1207
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 4: but when you solo like the Rock, and you like

1208
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 4: tag team. I know those are kind of like two

1209
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 4: different things. So them people, their whole thing is our

1210
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 4: tag team. I don't do solo, and there are some

1211
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: people that they're solo and they don't tag team.

1212
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: Proud what was interesting? So right there, y'all's backyard, the

1213
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: Hardy Boys. You know, Matt and Jeff were a tag team,

1214
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: tag team, tag team. You know, they split them for

1215
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: a while, and you know, Jeff became w W Champion

1216
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: of World Champion, Matt became eac W champion, created a

1217
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: real girl persona. But right now after you know, thirty

1218
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: years in the game, they're a tag team again. You know,

1219
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: they won NXT tag titles. They're the tag champions of

1220
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: Westside Guns Promotion. You know. So there are guys who

1221
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: just tagged forever a lot of times. And the weird

1222
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: thing about tag teams a lot of times there is

1223
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: a guy who becomes the one and the other guy

1224
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: becomes the one a and they'll separate for a while.

1225
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: Like jay Uso. J Uso, you know, never intended on

1226
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: being a singles wrestler. You know, me and him, we've

1227
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: done a couple of features and he was like, I

1228
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: never planned on this. My brother got hurt. It was

1229
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: during COVID. We had to figure something out. And now

1230
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, he is one of the biggest singles guys

1231
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: even though they're a tag team again, so it comes around.

1232
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, there are absolutely people who will be career

1233
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: tag team guys and love doing that. They're like, yo,

1234
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: have to work same money. Yeah, I feel you.

1235
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: That's it's just funny, man, because like I would not

1236
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: have seen this still being a thing when I was

1237
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: an adult. Like when I was a kid, I was like, oh,

1238
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: wrestling four kids, even though my uncle's washing and stuff too.

1239
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: But I was like, it's probably four kids and then

1240
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: I'll get older and you don't it won't be. But

1241
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: it feels like it more than to just bigger and bigger,

1242
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: big time sports. I mean, these deals they have with

1243
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: like Netflix now ESPN. I mean, it's bigger than I

1244
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: ever thought it would be. You know, I mean Linda

1245
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: McMahon's running Department of Education. I mean, this thing is

1246
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: hum but Charlie Kirk on the side of the buildings,

1247
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: just what we're doing when we you know, we need

1248
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: to learn about our heroes, our national hero I don't

1249
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: want to figure for him. What are we doing? What? What?

1250
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to in wrestling coming up? Man?

1251
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: It's what we talked about.

1252
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: Man, I am looking for these these kids to end

1253
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: up being the guys it is. It is so fun.

1254
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a college advisor and so helping college kids,

1255
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, navigate their way to where they want to be,

1256
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, is a passion of mine. And with w

1257
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: W WEE, like you said, you know, going to these

1258
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: independent shows and then watching like the kids get signed

1259
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: and you know, knowing that you guys have a relationship.

1260
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: I was telling I told Javon Evans, Javon Evans, twenty

1261
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: one years old, smile, bigginess, room can jump out the gym.

1262
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: We had a great conversation. I told them at the

1263
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 2: end of it, I said, look, you know you and

1264
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: I have a good rapport. I'm also forty years old.

1265
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: When you're doing these interviews, if you find somebody close

1266
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: to your age who you feel like you vibe with

1267
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: and can tell your story, let you onto them. Like

1268
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: that might be who writes your biography, right, but it

1269
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: would change for me most you know, I got a

1270
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: bunch of friends in the business and so I don't.

1271
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: It's not for me anymore. Oh, I can't wait to

1272
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: see what the Wrestlemanium main event is, you know, And

1273
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: you know I do.

1274
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: I miss that sometimes, I absolutely do.

1275
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,919
Speaker 2: But my thing is the people I've met, the people

1276
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: I've interacted with, watching them navigate this space and get

1277
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: to where they want to get to is just the

1278
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: most rewarding thing. And knowing that there are more stories

1279
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: to tell, so I'm always looking for who kind of

1280
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 2: breaks out and what got them there? You know. So man,

1281
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 2: it is it's a fun gig telling the stories, and

1282
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: I just want the opportunity to tell more stories.

1283
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: Man, it's a lot of fun.

1284
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 4: When you're interviewing people. Have you ever really sat down

1285
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 4: and talked to them about hair? Because most men, like

1286
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 4: you said, now we got dreads a period of time

1287
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 4: he was like bowheaded and nothing, and I'm assuming.

1288
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: A lot of women were weeks like you ain't read it.

1289
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: We like, particularly black women, you ain't read it.

1290
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 4: You ain't come out there with like your natural like

1291
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 4: frow or something like that. So I just wanted, like,

1292
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 4: have you ever really kind of talked like do in

1293
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 4: your interviews be like hey, you know, like how do

1294
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: you take care of it or how has things changed

1295
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 4: or whatever, like like like talking to them, interviewing them.

1296
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: We've talked about aesthetics. Maybe not hair specifically, okay, but

1297
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: being able to be a bit more free and lenient

1298
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: and lean more into your culture, like I got I

1299
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: can tell the story fine, and they're not telling them.

1300
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: But my main Rickie sites was trying to come up

1301
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: with casual clothes to wear, and I was like, yo,

1302
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: rick have you seen the upside down fonts on these

1303
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: shirts and hats? He was like yeah. I was like, yo,

1304
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: you should just put your last name on the crop

1305
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: flipped upside down.

1306
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: And he's wearing it on TV now and it looks

1307
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 3: really cool, like because you know.

1308
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 2: With I will say this though, I don't talk here

1309
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: with the women because a lot of them were extensions

1310
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: and it's not my business.

1311
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, okay, that was she said that. So

1312
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: when she said that, I was like, are you trying

1313
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: to set them up?

1314
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 4: No?

1315
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: Well, I was no, no, no, okay, it's just a joke.

1316
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: But I was thinking also, like that would be a

1317
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: dope deep dive if there was like a black woman

1318
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: that could get into like that part of the you know,

1319
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: talk with the black women that are wrestlers, because I

1320
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: think that is fascinating. I mean it's like the w NBA. Well,

1321
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, how did y'all pull us out?

1322
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: Y'all are playing fucking forty minutes of basketball and looking good? Like,

1323
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: what's to work behind it? That was a time in

1324
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: my lifetime you had to pick one. Yeah, like you

1325
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: could be out here looking good, wasn't gonna get to

1326
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: play because it was gonna be like, girl, you can't

1327
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: shoot with masks. Gary and I but like the hairstyles

1328
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: to the makeup and everything, Like, I'm like, there's some

1329
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: science in this that everybody won't should be able to learn.

1330
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: So I know it's a story there.

1331
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 2: Well I don't lean into it two people, but I

1332
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 2: no absolutely do fantastic writer name lyric Wrestling and a

1333
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: man DS ring the Bell who he kind of exclusively

1334
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 2: talks to women wrestlers and as a great.

1335
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 3: Rapport with them. So yeah, one thing I don't do wheelse.

1336
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 4: Saying understand that.

1337
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nah, it's all good. You can be doing

1338
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: an interview in a bonnet. I'm gonna sit up here,

1339
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: be locked in to just me and the eyes yeah,

1340
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: I have no questions. Let's talk about who are your

1341
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: favorite wrestlers growing up, cam oh Man, and then you

1342
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: can yes, Scott Hall was my whole time faper wrestler.

1343
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: Ramon U kind of my one. I didn't I didn't

1344
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: know he wasn't Cuban until he showed up on WCW

1345
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 2: talking like a white man. That's hilarious, but that it's funny.

1346
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,480
Speaker 2: He literally passed away like a couple of months before

1347
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 2: I started doing this, like as a as a career,

1348
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: as a kid, and I didn't get to talk to him,

1349
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: but I got to talk to Eric Bischoff about him.

1350
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 3: Rickclair was there too, because Riclair is everywhere, right.

1351
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Eric Beschoff off to the side and

1352
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just want to ask you, is anybody

1353
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: ever going to be as cool as Scott Hall?

1354
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 3: He said absolutely not. He's like they it will.

1355
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: Just never happen. I love Scott Hall. I was a

1356
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: real big and still am a big Brett Hart fan.

1357
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: Brett Hart is the most amazing interview because when you

1358
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: interview Brett Hart, you're not interviewing Brett Hart. You were

1359
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: saying hi, and then Brett is talking for a half

1360
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 2: hour back. You just sit back and let Brett go.

1361
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: What I loved about Brett was how how athletic his

1362
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 2: wrestling was, like it was wrestling with it means to

1363
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: an end, not just moved from move safe. I loved

1364
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: that about him. Loved his intensity. Mister perfect, Kurt Hennick.

1365
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody that smoothed in the ring. Those

1366
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: were like my guys as like a kid, you know.

1367
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: I of course, like again, interviewing stinging Brett was so crazy.

1368
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, my a guy. I didn't

1369
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: know why I liked him, but I knew I liked him,

1370
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: and I understood more of why when we finally got

1371
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: to talk Jake Snake Roberts. Oh my god, he was

1372
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: just uh an incredible person in the sense of he

1373
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 2: battled addiction his whole life and the space that he's

1374
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: in now kind of helped to inform like why he

1375
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: would do the things he did, why he moved a

1376
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: certain way and talk a certain way.

1377
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 3: Of course, I was a huge Randy Savage fan.

1378
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 2: He's absolutely everybody. Yeah, man, it was, you know, and

1379
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: by the time, like a book critque came around, and

1380
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, he's a Texas guy. So I've seen him

1381
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: around and talked to him a few times. Just that

1382
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: crazy like athleticism. He was so lanky and and just

1383
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: wrestled in a way I've never seen anybody. So I

1384
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: could listen, I can go forever. I love Jacqueline. Jacqueline

1385
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: was like the first like strong woman I've seen come

1386
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 2: to find from Dallas. And that's how.

1387
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 3: Man just uh yeah, just a heart Hannigan Hall where.

1388
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: My guys as a kid, and then just you know,

1389
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 2: as we went on, you know, there's there's so many

1390
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 2: guys and goals.

1391
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: What about you, Karen, Did you have a favorite wrestler

1392
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 1: growing up or No, My favorite wrestler was.

1393
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 4: And I know he canceled at the period of time.

1394
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: I love me some motherfucker.

1395
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 4: Tearing that shut off.

1396
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: It was like as a child, like like like that's that,

1397
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: you know what. That's another one that when we did

1398
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: know behind the scenes, it was just you was allowed

1399
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: to just be like I mean honest, especially as a

1400
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: black person, it's one of the few places you was

1401
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: allowed to be like I just like this guy who's

1402
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: just a real American, who's just running down I love.

1403
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: American And he had like that personality, that persona and

1404
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 4: just the it's like he was like Saturday Morning Cartoons

1405
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 4: in the person if that makes sense.

1406
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: He yeah, he had on him gym.

1407
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 4: He had a Saturday Morning cartoon And I watched that

1408
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 4: ship too. Yes, when I tell you I love I

1409
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 4: loved him. I love him and Rick Flair like somebody,

1410
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 4: I say, Dustin Rose Coagan.

1411
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: Was on some like he was a Scooby Dude level famous,

1412
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: but like like you know, you've ascended whatever your genre

1413
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: is when you get to be a guest on Scooby Dude,

1414
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: Like that's that's like, oh, this motherfucker famous famous. He

1415
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: was that like if he him, the Globe Trotters, Adam West, Batman,

1416
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: like any of them showed up on Scooby Dude, you

1417
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: wouldn't blink an eye, mister t Yes, you know those guys.

1418
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not even gonna lie my. When I was

1419
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 4: a kid, absolutely loved it. There was just something about Jack,

1420
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 4: I said, the brightness and the colors and the person

1421
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 4: like he just when he came home, he just popped

1422
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: just that voice like it's almost like he demanded the room,

1423
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. And so it's one of those

1424
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 4: things where I was consistently drawn to that.

1425
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: But in hindsight, you know, he did say brother with

1426
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: the super hard R brother brother, so you probably should

1427
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: have known some other things he said with the Superhard.

1428
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: Where they're like I can't, I don't, he's get on

1429
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: my nerves. They'll call people like Aura merchants and the like.

1430
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 2: He's great until the bell rings sometimes the bell right.

1431
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the rest of this is just a story.

1432
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: Like I love great wrestlers as much as anybody. Sometimes

1433
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: I just want to see some cool ship.

1434
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's.

1435
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But that was a big

1436
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: part of it too. I mean, there's so many people

1437
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: that never even really touched the ring like that. You know.

1438
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 1: It's like the manager, you know, that was like a

1439
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: big thing. It was like, this motherfucker's never getting in

1440
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: the ring unless it's for a joke to like watch

1441
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: them get beat up or something, or like on the

1442
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: rare occasion somebody's manager will actually have a good move

1443
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: or two and you'd be like, oh, no one saw

1444
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: that coming. But like, you know, so like it was

1445
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: it is not if it was simply you know, best man.

1446
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: When you go watch like Greco Roman Wrestling, like we're

1447
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: here for the show. There's a big ass TV that

1448
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: you're watching this on for a reason. There's people in

1449
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: this arena that don't just want to you know, it's

1450
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: it can't just only be having good moves in the ring.

1451
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: But maybe that's part of our culture now is we

1452
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: pick everything apart like people don't really appreciate much. As

1453
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: an NBA fan, this is always like we just came

1454
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: out of the hardest time of the year annually every year,

1455
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: which is All Star Game and then at the free

1456
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: agency and then everybody complaining about all the shit fix it.

1457
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: So I imagine has to be the same where like, yeah,

1458
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot, but are.

1459
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: Like like, like you talked about wrestling, like being so big.

1460
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: The thing that wrestling has over other entertainment it's cheap, live,

1461
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: first run television every single week. Yeah, but that also

1462
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: breeds you having to listen to everybody's opinion on every

1463
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: every single week, to the point where my buddy hit me,

1464
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 2: like a week ago, he's like, cam, Im like, I

1465
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 2: just want you to know I've noticed that you don't

1466
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: talk a lot during shows unless it's like, oh that

1467
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 2: was tight, and you keep going. I can't ruined what

1468
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do wrestling and to try to figure

1469
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: things out for what I'm doing for the job. Like no, no, no,

1470
01:15:53,040 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: somebody said the best match I saw the best wrestling match.

1471
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: I mean there's a few of them. I would never

1472
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: say just one, but uh six and Eddie Guerrero Ladder

1473
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: match of course, Raymisterio versus Eddie Guerrero Halloween Havoc ninety seven. Uh,

1474
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 2: Rock Austin three at WrestleMania in nineteen was amazing. AJ Styles,

1475
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: Samoa Joe and Chris Daniel's triple threat for the X

1476
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: Division title. I really really like, uh was it? Charlotte

1477
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: Flair and Real Rip. Like, it's just there's so many

1478
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 2: of them. We could probably like probably to break it

1479
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: down by era, but like that has so many great

1480
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: wrestle matches for different reasons.

1481
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I for my favorite wrestler, I think it's really

1482
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: just hate to be basic, but I think it is

1483
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: the Rock because that's how that's really the person that

1484
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: put me over. Yeah, but I just had to give

1485
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: a shout out to mankind. Amazing that motherfucker right there.

1486
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: I had never seen nothing. I was like, he just

1487
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: in there, like he just they just went and got

1488
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: a normal person, except they crazy and he just wrestling

1489
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: and like he was pulling this ship off. Mother fucker

1490
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: be wrestling like half a business suit with jogging pants

1491
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: falling on fucking falling on tic tacks and ship like

1492
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: the thumb tax. Like he was bleeding every fucking time

1493
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: he got in the ring. It was insane what that

1494
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: dude was doing. And that was that was that was cool.

1495
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't, you know, I feel like he

1496
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: because that was the eraror that I started watching some

1497
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: of it in those guys were the ones that stuck out.

1498
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Speaker 1: There was the rocking man con even though you know

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01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of other guys too.

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01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 3: To imagine falling so far, so hard that your teeth

1501
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,839
Speaker 3: grow through your lips, b and you just keep going.

1502
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: Just keep and he keep fighting, like you really felt

1503
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: like that was when it occurred to me, obviously late

1504
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: later than everyone else. I was like, oh, yeah, because

1505
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: you can't fake that, you know, you know what I'm saying,

1506
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: Like I've been obsessed with like, man, this shit is fake.

1507
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: Dog y'all already know the outcome, but I'm like, I

1508
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: don't know, falling two stories into a fucking thumbtack that's

1509
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: sitting in the middle ring and then bleeding all over

1510
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: the place. Uh yeah, that happened that There's no amount

1511
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: of scripting that can make that not have happened and hurt.

1512
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: Like shit, I can't believe you want people to be

1513
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: entertained this badly, because I there's nothing I want that badly.

1514
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: If you if we were playing in a sports sport

1515
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: like NBA and football and they put thumb tacks on

1516
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the court, I'm like, oh, I'm good then,

1517
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: so that y'all don't want to play cool? Got it?

1518
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:40,879
Speaker 1: That's insane?

1519
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 7: Right?

1520
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: What?

1521
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: What?

1522
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 4: What is the wildest thing that you've seen that like WrestleMania,

1523
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 4: because I know WrestleManias is like the big else, almost

1524
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 4: like super Bowl for wrestling. So I don't know, you've

1525
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 4: attended some and and just me on the outside looking in,

1526
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 4: I get excited for other people talking about it because

1527
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 4: they talk about it like I will talk about super Bowl,

1528
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 4: like they are like this, this is the ship, get

1529
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 4: your tickets, were gonna have a ball. Like, what is

1530
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 4: the one of some of the wildest things that you've

1531
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 4: seen there?

1532
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the one that comes to mind is UH.

1533
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: So Cody Rhoads comes back to WWE wins the Royal Rumble,

1534
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, okay, this is Insania goes out, This is

1535
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: in LA, and everybody's like, Cody Roads is gonna beat

1536
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: Roman Reigns and we all knew it to the point

1537
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: where when you're working the press box at UH at

1538
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: a wrestling pay per view, they try to get you

1539
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 2: to the UH to the press room for the post

1540
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 2: show as soon as possible. So when the main events,

1541
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: like halfway through, because they have you know, run charts,

1542
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: they know how along the match is gonna be, they

1543
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: take us all down to basically ring side, but like

1544
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: more stage side so that we can just go to

1545
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: the room after. So Roman wins the match and everybody

1546
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 2: just stops, like the journalists who all knew that he

1547
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 2: was going to win the match stopped, and we're all

1548
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: making faces and we're going crazy. My man John Alba

1549
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 2: God Bless John album. John Albert had written his whole

1550
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 2: feature about Cody winning the title.

1551
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: Oh and he had to blow it up, damn up

1552
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: because he couldn't see he didn't see it coming, or

1553
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 1: like he wasn't.

1554
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: None of us saw it coming. Whoa that Cody was

1555
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: going to win. There was no question, and then he

1556
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: did so. But here's why it's crazy. So h after

1557
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 2: the show, me and my homegirl suits that are outside

1558
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: waiting on the uber and it's late because we had

1559
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: to sit through the whole press conference and you know,

1560
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: so ubers they don't even want to come, so we outside.

1561
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: His brother comes up, comes to the bus stop. He's

1562
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: in his wheelchair. He's with his girl, so they're waiting

1563
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: on the bus. He looks at her, he stops for

1564
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: a second. He said, I mean Cody is a two

1565
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 2: and they the ones. And I fell down laughing because

1566
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: he was dead serious. The bloodlines whole thing was the one, right,

1567
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: he said, I mean Coldy the two, and he was

1568
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:27,919
Speaker 2: dead serious.

1569
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, wait so it so was he

1570
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: not supposed to win or just they keep that so

1571
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: tight that nobody found out. But they what they what

1572
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,959
Speaker 1: they say was because listen, right.

1573
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 2: All these guys worked together great, right, But the reason

1574
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: people didn't like haul Kogan backstage was playing in politics

1575
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 2: right well, Cogan was playing. Now I'm not saying these

1576
01:21:54,640 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 2: guys a plan, but there is always a jockeying for position, right, Oh,

1577
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: whether it was Roaming or somebody in his camp. They

1578
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 2: convinced everybody in WWE that they should push it another

1579
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: year and so make Cody chase the belt another year.

1580
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: But everybody went into it that day thinking that like

1581
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 2: to bring it back. When I was talking to Sting,

1582
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: Sting was supposed to beat hul kg and Clean for

1583
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 2: the title at Stark. When he came back, Sting said, well,

1584
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: that was the plan going in. I got to the

1585
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: arena and there was a different plan, and they came

1586
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 2: up with this super convoluted thing that happened to where

1587
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 2: Sting still won, but it made it look like Hogan

1588
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: was supposed to.

1589
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:43,480
Speaker 1: It was nasty wow.

1590
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: So that's like, you know, kind of that Stagy stuff.

1591
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: But no, it was this last WrestleMania, you know, seeing

1592
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: John Cena come out as a bad guy and be

1593
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: Cody for the title in a match that was bad

1594
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:57,839
Speaker 2: on purpose.

1595
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 3: That was really crazy.

1596
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: You know. I went to, uh, it's funny talking about

1597
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 2: some Marvel girl I used to date. Took me to

1598
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: my first WrestleMania in Miami and we're sitting behind bow

1599
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: Wow and Anthony Mackie.

1600
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: Combos.

1601
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is when the rock came back to fight

1602
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 2: John Cena. So this is ten fifteen years. That's a

1603
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: long time ago.

1604
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: Now.

1605
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 2: Seeing that Miami was was was really wild. Yeah. Man,

1606
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 2: I've been.

1607
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 3: Been to a lot of them.

1608
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: Kind of start to lose count when you when you

1609
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 2: start going for free, it gets a little crazy, you know.

1610
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 3: I saw the Undertaker lose his streak.

1611
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah he was what Night twenty one and oh

1612
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 2: watch bro Ain't.

1613
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 3: Never seen on Red to get that quiet?

1614
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: Man?

1615
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: Everybody just stop because they thought that.

1616
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 2: We all thought that was never gonna happen.

1617
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: Say, you know, how how how many WrestleManias is it

1618
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: a year? Is it just one.

1619
01:23:58,920 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: Super Bowl?

1620
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: One wrestling one a year? Okay?

1621
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 2: They went to Philly for WrestleMania forty a couple of

1622
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: years ago. Now it's two nights?

1623
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: What Okay?

1624
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 4: Because with Rogerackson, I was like, I was thinking, I

1625
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 4: think it's just one because they only talk about like

1626
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 4: one time a year.

1627
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1628
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: I still have not been to both nights because why

1629
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 2: why would I ever do that?

1630
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 3: I went to Night one, but you know, my family's

1631
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 3: from Maryland, so.

1632
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 2: The actually know the first night I sat in the

1633
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: press box. The second night, I was like, yo, my

1634
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: grandma like came up to see me. They was like,

1635
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: does your grandma want to go? And then they put us,

1636
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: they put us in the stands. It's like wow, like yeah,

1637
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: but last year we did it was in Vegas. Man,

1638
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: we did Night one at what is it swim club something,

1639
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 2: Swim Top swim something. But I was like, I want

1640
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 2: to be with the homies, like I want to have fun.

1641
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, two nights is a lot, but now it

1642
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 2: is two nights. They kind of got a big four.

1643
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 2: They have the Royal Rumbling January, which determines who uh

1644
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 2: makes it to Wrestle WrestleManias in April, Summer Slams in August,

1645
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 2: and then the Survivor Series is in November. And they'll

1646
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: pick reviews every month now but that's kind of their.

1647
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, man, Look this has been fun. CAM.

1648
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: We always interview people the first time that they're on

1649
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: the show, just so that the audience and us can

1650
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: get familiar with them. You gotta come back and then

1651
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: we can do segments and play games, you know, some

1652
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: guests and all that type of shit. But and I

1653
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: know are wrestling people that like wrestling. Hopefully this yeah,

1654
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: I hope This was really a treat for y'all because

1655
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: y'all know, I don't. That's my cultural blind spot, so

1656
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that much. And then it's always lost

1657
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: on me when people make these references and I'd be like,

1658
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I wish I was a I wish I knew. So

1659
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: now now y'all got y'all got y'all fixed, y'all bare

1660
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: leave comments on this ship and like it and everything.

1661
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: Cam telling people where to find you man.

1662
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 2: Of course Seahawk on most platforms ce e h A

1663
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: w K. You can find me on Twitter, you can

1664
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: find me on Instagram, on Blue Sky threads. But then

1665
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 2: if you're looking for the writing, the ringer dot Com

1666
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: is where you'll find a lot of my wrestling features.

1667
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 3: Listen, I I don't work at w w W.

1668
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: But when I got hired at Yahoo. What happened was

1669
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: my man Ariel hell Wanning was calling around because he

1670
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 2: was starting a vertical at at Yahoo, and he was like, Hey,

1671
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 2: who do I need to write long form wrestling features

1672
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: and w W he was like, Hey, you gotta go

1673
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 2: get Cam and hey man, we've been off to the

1674
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: races ever since, and we got a great team over there.

1675
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: Certainly not just me, a lot of great guys, but

1676
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: Yahoo Sports un crowd is where you'll find uh a

1677
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 2: lot of my work over there too. South Congress Podcast,

1678
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 2: South Congress with a K. If you go back and archives,

1679
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: me and my my late best friend, my man Peanut.

1680
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: We had a running lifestyle show for years and years.

1681
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 2: Now it's falling back more into my wrestling features. So

1682
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 2: if I do somebody kind of outside of Yahoo, I

1683
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: am able to, uh like put the full audio on there,

1684
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: just so people can get a feel on how I

1685
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: build my features. You know, the things I ask what

1686
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 2: comes up this last last week, my man Joel Anderson,

1687
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: the the the very best journalists going. I loved Joe

1688
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: so much. We actually did a half hour talking about

1689
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 2: the passing of Michael five thousand Wats from Swisher House,

1690
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: because you know, Joe's the Texas guy.

1691
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm a Texas guy, and we.

1692
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: Came up and came down to Michael Watts. So that

1693
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: was really fun to talk about. But yeah, South Congress

1694
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 2: with a K on all of your where did the title?

1695
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: Where did title come from? For South Congress?

1696
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 2: Oh? So South Congress is uh A really happened in

1697
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: Bustling Block here in Austin South Congress with the sea,

1698
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: of course, because the street actually leads.

1699
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 3: Up to the capital, right.

1700
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: But for me, I got a buddy, my man Michael O'Hara,

1701
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 2: who is a personal trainer spent some time training guys

1702
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 2: for the UFC. We grew up together playing football, but

1703
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: we were not friends. We just we were real different guys.

1704
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 2: But you know, when I put on a lot of

1705
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: weight in college and I needed to get back in shape,

1706
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: went to go sign up at a gym, he happened

1707
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 2: to be a dude who worked there. So you know,

1708
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 2: meeting somebody in your late twenties and thirties is so

1709
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: different than when you're teenagers. The first time we linked up,

1710
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 2: it was at this restaurant called Docs on South Congress,

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Speaker 2: and I just always remembered how much it taught me

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01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: about how people can be different and how you guys

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Speaker 2: can build even years later. And so yeah, that's why

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Speaker 2: I called it South Congress, just to kind of, you know,

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01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: us being adults just finding kind of a new way

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Speaker 2: in the world.

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Speaker 3: So yes, South Coge.

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Speaker 1: And the K was just like, let's not get sued,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: rice is.

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Speaker 2: I was taking out with a lot of campus at

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Speaker 2: that point.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, they probably had something. Yeah, that's how they do.

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Speaker 1: They get in your system like that. All right, y'all,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. We'll be back, not tomorrow going to

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Speaker 1: Hornets game, but possibly Wednesday, definitely Saturday for the feedback show.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget pot Jam three Las Vegas. Tickets are in

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Speaker 1: the show notes in the link and patron. All that

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01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: stuff is in the show notes in the links. Make

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Speaker 1: sure y'alls sign up and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, I love you, wh