WEBVTT - Melrose Minute - The Bad Boss Edition

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<v Speaker 1>Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>And daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello ladies, welcome to another Melrose minute. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that comes up in this episode that comes

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<v Speaker 1>up in many future episodes is that Alison is dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with Amanda, who is a very mean boss. It's mean

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<v Speaker 1>at the workplace yet, but she's mean because she stole

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<v Speaker 1>Allison's pretend boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also a little confused on the structure at work

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<v Speaker 3>because she's not exactly her boss, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lucy's her boss, right, Lucy's her boss, and and

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<v Speaker 2>like Amanda is the art director.

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<v Speaker 3>Helped me understand exactly what the structure is.

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda's the super attractive boyfriend's well, I know she's super attractive.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what her official title is, but that's what she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to annoy the woman who's playing Alison for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of her life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's kind of parallel above, like say she's

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<v Speaker 1>a number above on the on the call sheet, like

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<v Speaker 1>you can get an actor language, she's probably above on

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<v Speaker 1>the call sheet.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's like the director in her department, and she

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<v Speaker 3>works in a parallel department, like not in the same

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<v Speaker 3>exact department, but they have to work together. And it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like Allison is on a rung below in a

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<v Speaker 3>different department, but they have to work together. So she's

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<v Speaker 3>not her direct boss, she's not her direct report exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I just have to be clear. So, but

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<v Speaker 2>she does become her boss.

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<v Speaker 3>She's also a bossy and and sort of it. It

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<v Speaker 3>is definitely an added layer to being irritated by how

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<v Speaker 3>pretty she is. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we're kind of talking about when you've dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with bad bosses, and I have to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a time in this industry and you guys

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<v Speaker 1>both know this that people were allowed to behave horribly

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the good things that come out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Me Too movement and this is that is that

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<v Speaker 1>is less accepted. But don't you remember people used to

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to behave horribly at work? And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that's across the line. Like before there was hr I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure everybody of a certain age had a time when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was literally throwing staplers across the office. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have did you work well?

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about a boss, like a director or a

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<v Speaker 2>producer or are you talking about a.

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<v Speaker 1>Fellow or just like a coworker. Well, when when me

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<v Speaker 1>too started, there were stories of prefamous stories of producers

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd throw things at assistance and we all just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of shrugged like it was okay. Remember that, like

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<v Speaker 1>oh oh yeah, he's crazy, he's crazy, And now suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>it's not okay. People started to see they had rights.

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<v Speaker 1>But you remember, I remember people who had power on

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<v Speaker 1>sets being able to yell and scream and we all

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of hid and allowed it to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because we thought that's how it works. The slady

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<v Speaker 2>had to accept that the pyramid, the hierarchy is the

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<v Speaker 2>way it goes. And yeah, I mean when I put

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<v Speaker 2>myself back, it makes total sense. It's only now in

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<v Speaker 2>hindsight where people who probably put up with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>worse than us are like saying, no, this is bus

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<v Speaker 2>not doing it anymore, not okay that you go, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think there were like a specifically, like some

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<v Speaker 3>commercial directors that just had a reputation for being absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>hardcore and would scream at crowds of people, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was still considered like, well, but if you want to work,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you want to get this great job and

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<v Speaker 3>work with this great director, you just put up with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really like a mark of.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Cachet to work with this guy, but what

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<v Speaker 3>you have to endure is his screaming and yelling and

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<v Speaker 3>the way he talks to his people and like that,

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<v Speaker 3>like you're saying that it was just considered, Like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just what you have to put up with. And

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<v Speaker 3>I get to say that I've done this job or

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<v Speaker 3>this commercial or whatever with this notoriously, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, not to forget me somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the other mark of cashe Yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 1>tried to complain, they'd say, there are a thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>who'd want your job. And the other mark of Cachet

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<v Speaker 1>was for the person throwing a tantrum. I worked with

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<v Speaker 1>someone who was a real bully once and he actually said,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that I get to do whatever I want

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<v Speaker 1>and people have to accept my apology because I'm so powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, actually said the words out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>He said the quiet part out loud.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually said it that that was indicative of his power,

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<v Speaker 1>that he could do crazy things and people had to

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<v Speaker 1>put up with it because he had all the power.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a huge awakening, like a rude awakening

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<v Speaker 1>for these people when things like HR started and you

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<v Speaker 1>got to say you don't get it or cell phone started, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so when it first started, you remember this, like people

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<v Speaker 1>would actually film people doing it and it was so real,

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<v Speaker 1>or record them throwing a tantrum and people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not okay like it used to be. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to put up with it because they're so creative.

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<v Speaker 1>So the people who were being put up with felt

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<v Speaker 1>powerful because they got to act out and be forgiven.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have to grow up.

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<v Speaker 3>And people who say that quiet part out loud probably

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<v Speaker 3>don't just say it once. They probably go around saying

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<v Speaker 3>it like they've repeated that phrase and they're wearing that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of as a confident Hey, I can do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>I want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when I worked, probably doesn't talking about and I

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<v Speaker 1>complained about it, and instead of telling the bully he

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<v Speaker 1>had to stop bullying, they said, well, Courtney, we could

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<v Speaker 1>find someone to like be with you. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need a bodyguard, you like, have the bully stopped

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<v Speaker 1>being a bully. But so that's dawned back then?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this the eighties or the nineties, because I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think of or the two thousands, Like, at what

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<v Speaker 2>point that you thought.

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<v Speaker 1>That, Well, I think it was as I grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, when I was younger, you just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of get quiet, and there's this thing of like, so

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's sort of talking about how awful they are, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no sense of we shouldn't have to put

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<v Speaker 1>up with that. Yeah, Like I think it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 1>the Meto movement that kind of people went oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>way to minute, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like you know what I'm saying is did you

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<v Speaker 2>say that but you spoke up, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying he did finally speak up. Yeah, so this

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<v Speaker 1>was after.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too, or did you think no it was way

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<v Speaker 2>back okay, so you were like you thought, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's but the response was, yeah, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about him, So we're just going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to protect you within the framework of this system, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that he gets do whatever he wants and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>try to take care of you in quiet ways without

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<v Speaker 1>upsetting him.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. But what I'm saying it didn't dawn on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us back then that it was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would have. We're sort of like what's that term? Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know where you just kind of go this is

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<v Speaker 2>the way it is, Like I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Send time on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just go, oh, he's a creep or he's

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<v Speaker 2>a this, and I say he because most of them

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<v Speaker 2>were he's, he's, he's, he's he director, producer, director, producer.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so few women. But I would never, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would go to my therapist and say, fix

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<v Speaker 2>me so I can deal with this. I would never

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<v Speaker 2>go and think that the whole system needs a change.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever, because we were so conditioned to accept this behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like there were famous stories right about these

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<v Speaker 1>producers and oh yeah, oh yeah, he's crazy. But at

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<v Speaker 1>no point did people say until that movement did people say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, no, that's not okay. And I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting when Me Too came out, was that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would complain about somebody and then all of these people

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<v Speaker 1>would come out, and each each woman had thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was the only one.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. People don't just say it once, they don't just

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<v Speaker 3>do it once.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I was very touching. There were times when

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<v Speaker 2>I thought to even say it out loud and to

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<v Speaker 2>go through it. There's a certain form of trauma. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I was traumatized in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of women were that came out, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a mental and emotional that you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like an inventory that I went through, going oh that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't okay, or maybe this wasn't you know, having worked

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<v Speaker 2>all through the eighties and the nineties and the two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you're right, it's changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, things have changed, and the accountability I think is

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<v Speaker 3>is just there's much more of a consciousness about it

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<v Speaker 3>in a conversation about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the system had been was more rigid, it

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<v Speaker 2>was more there were fewer in roads, you know. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you see all these people. There's work everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>because of phones, and it's easy to create content and

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<v Speaker 2>so many outlets that I think, like people was very

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<v Speaker 2>small and rigid before to get into this industry and

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<v Speaker 2>so and the system was so kind of like it

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<v Speaker 2>felt it very locked and stiff, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you're in a generation these kids are like

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<v Speaker 2>these are gig employments, you know, they're into like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to work here anymore. I don't like my boss.

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<v Speaker 2>This is who they are. You know, there's that that

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<v Speaker 2>that is always.

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<v Speaker 1>So heartbreaking to me too, Like so much was heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Harvey Weinstein stuff. He really did have the

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<v Speaker 1>power to ruin the careers of women who refused to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep with him, Like, how can that be? That was

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties, It's not like it was the twenties, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that was the eighties. That was so recent.

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<v Speaker 2>But he came out of why seventies and the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>and the fifties were in the forties, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of kept going.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor died that behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, That's what I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>He had invented rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>It was normal for him.

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<v Speaker 1>It went on doing anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, That's what I'm saying. It's like when you

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<v Speaker 2>look back to where he grew up in it, he

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<v Speaker 2>and his I mean I read.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit about it. He looked it was objectively

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<v Speaker 1>hideously wrong, but you think of how embedded in the

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<v Speaker 1>system that was. Yes, of course that's insane. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>no wonder we sort of thought, well, there's a price

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<v Speaker 1>to be paid in the re is this attitude in

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<v Speaker 1>our business, And I hope it's better for young actresses

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<v Speaker 1>coming up now. But it's that there are a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people who would like to be here, like, just suck

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<v Speaker 1>it up. I always knew this was my code when

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<v Speaker 1>I knew something was wrong. If they say to me,

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<v Speaker 1>be a sport, be sport, like I have done stunts

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't have done that, I would not do today.

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<v Speaker 1>Do people actually say those words, do you be a sport?

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<v Speaker 1>You've never heard that, daph Have you heard that then

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<v Speaker 1>in a work country? Well I have, I hear whenever.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know. Now it's like if they say be

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<v Speaker 1>a sport, it means put yourself in danger for us,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, you know, I'm not a sport. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here to take care of myself because I have taken

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<v Speaker 1>risks for stunts that now. Look, the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>stunt coordinators and stunt guys are super careful and they

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<v Speaker 1>say are you comfortable? Does this work for you? But

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<v Speaker 1>I've done a couple of lower budget things where they

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of wanted to get it done and they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see my face and they were like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can do it right. You're a sport.

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<v Speaker 3>And they said be a sport.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a sport, and I was like, yeah, I'm a sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that very young part of me that wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with the guys. I'm a sport like now

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<v Speaker 1>the older part of me is much stronger in protecting

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<v Speaker 1>the younger part of me. But I would do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there was one time I was doing a stut

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<v Speaker 1>and I was running and jumping into a moving car.

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<v Speaker 1>And I look back on that and I go, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, like, yeah, it could have I could have

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<v Speaker 1>gone like not just hurt me and I couldn't finish

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<v Speaker 1>the day's work, Like you can be so hurt doing

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<v Speaker 1>something like that that it could have ruined my life

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<v Speaker 1>could have gotten very little. But I could do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the little tomboy and me wanted to prove I

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<v Speaker 1>could do it. And I'm just it's heartbreaking. All these

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<v Speaker 1>come on because I've had I have been pressured to

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<v Speaker 1>do things. For the most part, I stood up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been pressured to do plenty of things I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to do on sets where I had a director,

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<v Speaker 1>I might I may have shared this on another episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they said everybody out there thinks you being

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<v Speaker 1>a baby, Oh yeah, that's everybody thinks you're being a baby,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like it's so rule that kind and

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<v Speaker 1>then you say, by the way, were lying. I came out,

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<v Speaker 1>except I came out and the crew was like, good

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<v Speaker 1>for you. For like, the crew was one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>on my side. Crews are amazing. They were one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent on my side. But they tried to manipulate me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like I said to Allison, and Allison

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<v Speaker 1>said Romanda. In the upcoming episode, she says, everybody thinks

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<v Speaker 1>so except for Billy, Except for Bally, I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's better. I hope that there's more support for

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<v Speaker 1>young actors and actresses that they don't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>things that they're uncomfortable with. Yeah, we need more minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>We're out of minutes. We have so much to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That was just a Melrose minute.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all just a little light topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the industry. Come on in, guys, all right, wellnutes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the best advice is, if you can do

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<v Speaker 2>anything else to make a living, go do it.

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<v Speaker 3>We can discuss that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm insanely grateful for my career. I've had, for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, a great time, and I think it's changing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think the industry is becoming more accountable

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<v Speaker 1>and there are more protections now for young people, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think young people are better educated about their rights

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<v Speaker 1>and what they can expect. Yeah. I have so much

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<v Speaker 1>faith in these upcoming generations. I really do. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, on that note, on that always lovely to chat

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<v Speaker 3>with you ladies for this matter is a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening. Listene soon for another episode. Y

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye,