WEBVTT - The Krispy Kreme Episode Is Hot Now

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction of ByHeart Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Anny Resa and I'm Lauren vogel Baum, and today

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<v Speaker 2>we have an episode for you about Krispy Creme.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm. Was there any particular reason this was on

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<v Speaker 1>your mind? Lauren?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, okay, So I've been wanting to do I

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<v Speaker 2>love doing corporate episodes because they can go in wild

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<v Speaker 2>places that you're not expecting them to. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>been looking at the major US donut chain brands, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have been in the South for long enough that

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<v Speaker 2>I was morally obligated to pick Krispy Kream before Dunkin Donuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, which I briefly mentioned in the last episode that

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<v Speaker 1>we did. Oh gosh, what was it?

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been anything, but whatever previously came out

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<v Speaker 1>to this. I mentioned that in the US, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a breakfast and I found a whole article

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<v Speaker 1>from the Bitter Southerner that was about how Dunkin Donuts

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<v Speaker 1>kind of capitalized Oh sure, you know American runs on

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<v Speaker 1>duncan go fast, fast fast, and Krispy Kreme was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>come in and sit down or you know, and stay

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Yeah, the kind of differences between southern and northern,

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<v Speaker 1>but also what succeeded where and it was really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, they're not a sponsor Chrispy krean no, nor

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<v Speaker 1>Dunkin Donuts, No, no, nope, not currently. I haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>Krispy Kreme in a really long time, but college years

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it very well. Oh sure, yes, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a there, there's one. I know, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But there's kind of a famous Krispy Kreme

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta and one time my good friend was driving

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<v Speaker 1>and the hot sign was on. If you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that is, we'll talk about it more or later.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially it's just like there's hot fresh doughnuts.

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<v Speaker 2>It tells you when the donuts are fresh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And she made a very dangerous turn get into

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<v Speaker 1>the Krispy Kreme and we later found out it's always on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's great at that location at least it's

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<v Speaker 2>always on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read that in multiple articles when I was

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<v Speaker 1>studying studying, researching this is that people would take these

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<v Speaker 1>turns to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I have hot sign. I have seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>I have witnessed that. I think I've been in the

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<v Speaker 2>car when someone else did that. Yes, it is a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty universal Atlanta experience.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, indeed. And another friend of mine, she loves

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<v Speaker 1>Krispy Kreme.

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<v Speaker 3>She she's always texting me about Krispy Kreme has this

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<v Speaker 3>new flavor, and I'm like, well, what, I'm glad you're

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<v Speaker 3>excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>What newsletter are you on? But also I remembered that

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in marching band, we used to sell

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<v Speaker 1>Krispy Cream doughnuts as fundraising techniques totally, and one time

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<v Speaker 1>I was selling them inside Walmart and I got kicked

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<v Speaker 1>out for soliciting. And I still they were correct to

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<v Speaker 1>kick me out, but I still chafe at the memory

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember having access to

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<v Speaker 2>Krispy Kreme anywhere when I was growing up, but in college,

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<v Speaker 2>the first place that I lived was like downwind of

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<v Speaker 2>a Krispy Kreme, and so I could tell just by

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<v Speaker 2>walking outside whether or not the hot now sign was on.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was horrifying. It was the most dangerous, wonderful things.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps shockingly, I didn't actually eat that many at that

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<v Speaker 2>point in my life because I was so broke. I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't have money to spend on donuts. But I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that helps.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but uh yeah, oh it's wonderful and uh and yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got a very positive association with the brand from

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<v Speaker 4>any number of like like office coffee hangouts or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like like family visits or stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I do also have a lot of good associations with

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and early morning where somebody in a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen Krispey cream or something like that. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>nice and sweet, but it's not too sweet. They're generally

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good because I'm very sensitive to sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy sweet things that much. So if you have good

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<v Speaker 2>feelings about it, then they're doing a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Admittedly this is a long time ago, but but yeah, uh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see our donut episode Jelly Donuts.

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<v Speaker 2>We did it one on jelly donuts, not all donuts.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, all right, you can see that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say biscuits is relevant.

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<v Speaker 2>Related, sure maybe churros, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can see that. All right. But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>this brings us to our question.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Crispy Cream, what is it? Well, Krispy Cream is

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<v Speaker 2>a brand of donuts and coffee that can be found

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<v Speaker 2>in grocery stores and also that owns and franchises out

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<v Speaker 2>donut shops. They focus on yeast raised doughnuts that are

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<v Speaker 2>very airy and fluffy, very melt in your mouth. They

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<v Speaker 2>come in your typical donut ring or toroid if you're nasty,

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<v Speaker 2>with a thin sugar glaze and or a topper of

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<v Speaker 2>only slightly thicker icing in flavors like chocolate or strawberry.

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<v Speaker 2>They also have disc shaped doughnuts that are similarly glazed

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<v Speaker 2>and or iced and filled with like jelly, custard or

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<v Speaker 2>fluffy type of icing that they call cream with a

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<v Speaker 2>K because that's how their name is spelled. You can

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<v Speaker 2>buy them singly or more commonly by three, six or

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen. For drinks, they have like plain coffee, iced coffee,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a bunch of sweetened and flavored espresso drinks

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<v Speaker 2>and blended frozen drinks. The shops and packaging are branded

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<v Speaker 2>in like white and forest green, with a really like

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<v Speaker 2>retro mid century kind of vibe. The shops are the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of place that you might stop for a treat

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<v Speaker 2>with the kids, you know, and they often feature a

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<v Speaker 2>window into the donut machinery in the back and out front.

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<v Speaker 2>Each shop that has that also has this red orange

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<v Speaker 2>neon sign that says hot now that they turn on

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<v Speaker 2>when fresh donuts are coming off the line. Maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>shop has fresh donuts coming off the line all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know their business. And yeah, these these donuts

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<v Speaker 2>are often eaten for breakfast or a snack, like in

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<v Speaker 2>group settings, right, like someone might pick up a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>to bring to the office or to your mechanic or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, or maybe like as a weekend breakfast treat.

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<v Speaker 2>The brand is kind of aggressively nostalgic and is very loved.

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<v Speaker 2>It is sturdy and long lasting in exactly the way

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<v Speaker 2>that its donuts are not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's got a vibe. It's got like a the

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<v Speaker 1>whole look of the stores if you go in, if

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<v Speaker 1>you actually go in and you can see the donuts,

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<v Speaker 1>like the line.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all very clean, very very spick and span, very shiny,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like they'll give you a little paper donut hat. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not shaped like a donut, it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the little service hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it's called anyway, Okay. Krispy Kream

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<v Speaker 2>has several standard donuts and usually four ish limited time ones.

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<v Speaker 2>The standard rings are original glazed, chocolate iced, and chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>ice with rainbow sprinkles. These standard fills are glazed with

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<v Speaker 2>raspberry jelly, glazed with lemon custard, chocolate iced with vanilla custard,

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<v Speaker 2>and chocolate iced with that fluffy cream that I mentioned before.

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<v Speaker 2>They do also have a single standard cake style donut

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<v Speaker 2>at this very moment, which is a blueberry cake with

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<v Speaker 2>that glaze on it, glazed a yeast raised cinnamon roll

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<v Speaker 2>right now. They're limiteds are like spring and or Easter themed,

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<v Speaker 2>like a filled donut with marshmallow flavored cream and a

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<v Speaker 2>pastel yellow icing on top, with like cute little bunny

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<v Speaker 2>face drawn on with chocolate drops for the eyes and nose,

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<v Speaker 2>and then little candy ears. Yeah. Each franchise can choose

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<v Speaker 2>which flavors to stock Their coffee drinks. Do come and

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<v Speaker 2>write hot, iced and frozen with flavors like caramel or mocha.

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<v Speaker 2>They do have an original glazed flavor of coffee. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm intrigued because I don't know what nervous. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what flavor the glaze is like. It's glaze flavored

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<v Speaker 2>like what is what? Anyways, the brand does also have

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty popular fund raising program that lets organizations basically

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<v Speaker 2>purchase goods at a discount and then sell them for profit,

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<v Speaker 2>either via pre sale sale of digital coupons or by

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<v Speaker 2>picking up a whole bunch of donuts to sell wherever

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<v Speaker 2>except for inside a Walmart. Apparently, they also do catering

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to order more than like four dozen

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<v Speaker 2>at a time. And that's all at their shops. Some

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<v Speaker 2>grocery stores and convenience stores sell Crispy Creame brand coffee

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<v Speaker 2>to make it home, and donuts that are delivered in

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<v Speaker 2>fresh daily from a local shop or production center. Some

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<v Speaker 2>McDonald's I think currently only in Kentucky and Indiana do

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<v Speaker 2>also sell individual donuts. Yeah, yeah, that's new. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all in the United States. Shops in other

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<v Speaker 2>countries which do exist have other flavors and stuff. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK, they have options like a chocolate hazelnut

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<v Speaker 2>filled donut you know, Natella type style one filled with

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<v Speaker 2>strawberry cream, a ring dipped in a milk and white

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<v Speaker 2>chocolate icing, and a bisc Off Co branded donut filled

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<v Speaker 2>with Biscoff flavored cream and topped with a biscof spread

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<v Speaker 2>and biscoff crumbles. It's a it's a lot of bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very biscoffee. They have had similar limited time options

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<v Speaker 2>in the States, but I have I have the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that that that that bisk Off one is more permanent. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the system that they have worked out to produce and

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<v Speaker 2>distribute all of these donuts is pretty intricate. So like

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<v Speaker 2>they do have regional donut factories to help supply fresh

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<v Speaker 2>doughnuts to shops that do not produce their own, along

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<v Speaker 2>with supplying to other vendors like carts and food trucks

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<v Speaker 2>and grocery stores. But those stores with the machinery in

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<v Speaker 2>the back and the hot Now sign out front can

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<v Speaker 2>be self sustaining and can even provide product for those

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<v Speaker 2>other vendors Locally, they're called factory stores or in business lingo,

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<v Speaker 2>the hot light theater shops. Oh I read. I read

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of investor relations information while preparing for this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really funny. They just just all investor relations material.

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<v Speaker 2>Is really funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>No way that it intends to be at any rate. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>deliveries from these places to other places that sell them

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<v Speaker 2>are made daily, and they also have manufacturing facilities where

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<v Speaker 2>they blend and package the ingredients for their products, including

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<v Speaker 2>donut mixes, the specific sugar and yeast that they use,

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<v Speaker 2>and also the filling mixes, and right in the factory stores,

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<v Speaker 2>you can peek in on the machinery. Back when our

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<v Speaker 2>original company that we were podcasting under, How Stuff Works,

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<v Speaker 2>was still based in North Carolina, in like the early Oughts,

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<v Speaker 2>they took a tour and explained how it all worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Since then, the physical machinery is still pretty much the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect it's been that way since way before then, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have updated their drives and controllers to make

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<v Speaker 2>everything more easily monitored. And a fish a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more in that on that in the history section. But yes, So,

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<v Speaker 2>in order to create a crispy cream donut, the donut

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<v Speaker 2>mix is added to some water in yeast, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the rings are formed by an extrusion machine. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing that uses pressurized air to force the

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<v Speaker 2>dough through a ring shaped tube and then we'll slice

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<v Speaker 2>each separate donut off at the other end. No donuts

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<v Speaker 2>never have a hole that needs to be punched out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a marketing thing for filled donuts, the ring shaped

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<v Speaker 2>tube is swapped out for just a cylinder that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a solid circle. Anyway, the extruder deposits the rings or

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<v Speaker 2>circles on a conveyor belt that brings them to the proofer.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a big glass box with a controlled

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<v Speaker 2>heat and humidity inside to help the dough proof. That

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<v Speaker 2>is for the yeast to get to work and make

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<v Speaker 2>the dough rise. Baker's yeast, as we have talked about before,

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<v Speaker 2>eats sugar and poops carbon dioxide and flavor yeast fool.

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<v Speaker 2>The carbon dioxide bubbles will stretch out the dough and

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<v Speaker 2>make it puff out. The process takes like fifteen to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes, and the doughnuts zigzag through the box on

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<v Speaker 2>these conveyor trays at just the right speed so that

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<v Speaker 2>when they reach the end of the box they're ready

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<v Speaker 2>to be cooked. The machine then tips them out onto

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<v Speaker 2>another conveyor belt, which pulls the donuts through a bath

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<v Speaker 2>of hot oil. The conveyor belt has these bars just

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<v Speaker 2>tall enough to trap rows of doughnuts in place and

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<v Speaker 2>let them float through the oil. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>like how in some theme park water rides the cars

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<v Speaker 2>do like a controlled float yeah, except through hot oil

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<v Speaker 2>not water. Since the donuts are floating, only one side

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<v Speaker 2>will cook, so halfway through the bath, this rotating arm

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<v Speaker 2>flips them over from underneath. It takes about forty five

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<v Speaker 2>seconds on each side. And I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 2>is still accurate, but at least as of the early

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<v Speaker 2>two thousands, a few times a day a manager like

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<v Speaker 2>checks and make sure that the timing is just right

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<v Speaker 2>on both the proofing and the frying end, because, as

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's ever gotten into baking knows, all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>environmental factors can affect dough and cook times even in

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<v Speaker 2>a relatively controlled kitchen environment. The belt will deposit be

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<v Speaker 2>fried doughnuts onto a cooling belt, and then when they're

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit cooler, the doughnuts destined to be glazed

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<v Speaker 2>are pulled under the sort of waterfall of liquid glaze

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<v Speaker 2>made of sugar and water and stuff basically flavors and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things to help make the texture just right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when that hot now sign is on, an employee

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<v Speaker 2>will pull donuts right off of the glazing belt and

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<v Speaker 2>box them up for you. And if you order something

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<v Speaker 2>like chocolate ice, just hand dip the chocolate icing on.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're meant to be sent out for delivery elsewhere, though,

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<v Speaker 2>they're allowed to cool for another forty minutes or so

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<v Speaker 2>on a long slow ride back to the packing room

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<v Speaker 2>so that the glaze has time to stiffen up a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get almost crackly when it's dry, which is

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<v Speaker 2>nice for the package donuts. Any icing will be applied

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<v Speaker 2>with another waterfall type machine. They're then handboxed, loaded into trays,

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<v Speaker 2>and loaded into company run delivery trucks. Filled donuts are

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<v Speaker 2>super cool. Okay, they're filled by hand with the help

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<v Speaker 2>of a machine that the filling gets mixed together and

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<v Speaker 2>then poured into this tank that's attached to a pump,

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<v Speaker 2>and the pump can feed the exact right amount of

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<v Speaker 2>filling out through this long, sharp ended nozzle and two

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<v Speaker 2>nozzles sit side by side, so a worker can take

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of donuts, slide them onto the nozzles, and

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<v Speaker 2>then push a button in under the nozzles to activate

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<v Speaker 2>the pump, and then pull the donuts off the nozzles

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<v Speaker 2>as the filling is injected, so that it goes in evenly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just really simple, but like really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is really cool. I mean it's me if

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<v Speaker 1>you go in it is very it feels like one

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<v Speaker 1>of those very touristy you want. Yeah, something get made,

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<v Speaker 1>which we are going to talk about a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>in his rejection. But yeah, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching how stuff gets made is a whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is part of why we're here. M Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>about the nutrition.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, treats are nice. Treats are nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Treats are nice. Well, we do have some numbers for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, quite a few see above read and investor relation papers. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 2>as of the early two thousands, Krispy Kreme's largest factory

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<v Speaker 2>shops could produce eight hundred and eighty donuts an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. Today, getting a factory shop up and running

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<v Speaker 2>costs between two to five million dollars. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>real fancy one in Times Square that costs ten million

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<v Speaker 2>when it opened in twenty twenty. If anyone has been,

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<v Speaker 2>let me know it sounds real.

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<v Speaker 1>Goofy. It does a note when it opened.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, right and interesting. As of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Krispy Kreme had three hundred and ninety four factory shops

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<v Speaker 2>around the world, plus another one thousand, six hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four shops that do not produce their own donuts,

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<v Speaker 2>and over fifteen thousand other vendors, for a total worldwide

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<v Speaker 2>of seventeen thousand, five hundred and fifty seven places that

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<v Speaker 2>you can buy at Krispy Kreme.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, they've got fans. They've got a fan base.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting machine. Yeah. About half their shops are franchisees, half

0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.359
<v Speaker 2>her company owned. Together, they employ some twenty two thousand,

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.800
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred people. In twenty twenty four, the company made

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<v Speaker 2>a net revenue of one point six billion dollars. Along

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<v Speaker 2>the fundraiser line, apparently, Krispy Kreme earned over forty three

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars for about one hundred thousand organizations in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three alone. They are an international company, but do

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<v Speaker 2>about sixty percent of their business in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and as of twenty twenty the company was selling about

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<v Speaker 2>one point three billion donuts a year, sixty four percent

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<v Speaker 2>of which was the original glazed.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of donuts. It's a whole bunch of donuts.

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<v Speaker 2>But they started they started mid sized. Actually, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they always kind of had a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they did. And what is comical to me

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<v Speaker 1>is that they realized early on. You know what, the

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<v Speaker 1>smell business, oh spelling of the hot fresh donuts is

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<v Speaker 1>important to our business. So there is quite a history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and we are going to get into that

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as we get back from a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Well again see our

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<v Speaker 1>jelly donut episode. I guess we haven't done just a

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<v Speaker 1>donut one yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Foiled again, but yes. Krispy Kreme was the brainchild of

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<v Speaker 1>Vernon Rudolph during the Great Depression. Rudolph, like many others,

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to find a way to make a living

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<v Speaker 1>when things were pretty grim, so he got the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of opening a donut shop. He purchased a recipe for

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<v Speaker 1>a yeast raised donut from a chef out of New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans in nineteen thirty three. There's a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of debate over who that was or if it

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<v Speaker 1>was true, but that's the story. That same year, he

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<v Speaker 1>opened a doughnut shop in Paducah, Kentucky. Okay. At this

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<v Speaker 1>point things get a little messy because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>places like to claim they're the birthplace of the first

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<v Speaker 1>Krispy Kreme, especially state websites.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, oh yes, but here it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>A few cities do lay claim to the first official

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<v Speaker 1>Krispy Kreme, and there are some technicalities involved. National claims

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<v Speaker 1>that the first official Krispy Kreme was opened there by

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<v Speaker 1>Rudolph and Ishmael Armstrong, who was Rudolph's uncle and business partner,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty seven. Soon after that one was opened,

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<v Speaker 1>a few members of Rudolph's family opened stores in Atlanta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Charleston, West Virginia. So those cities they also get

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<v Speaker 1>in on this whole thing, yes, But with dreams of

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<v Speaker 1>owning his own store without a partner, Rudolph moved on

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<v Speaker 1>to Winston Salem, North Carolina, and opened a Krispy Kremes

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<v Speaker 1>store there on July thirteenth, nineteen thirty seven, which yes,

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<v Speaker 1>is the same year as the one in Tennessee. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the move. He was quick. Allegedly, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have enough money to buy the ingredients he needed

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning to make these donuts, so he made

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with grocery stores to pay them for the

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients as soon as he earned the money from his store.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess they went with it. At first, Rudolph

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<v Speaker 1>would make the donuts in the store and then sell

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<v Speaker 1>them to these local grocery stores. But yes, as many

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<v Speaker 1>of us know, the smell of fresh hot donuts is

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<v Speaker 1>like a siren's call, so passerby started visiting the store

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<v Speaker 1>directly wanting to buy them. So the story goes that

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Rudolph cut a hole in the wall so he could

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<v Speaker 1>sell the donuts straight to customers. This also allowed customers

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<v Speaker 1>to see some of the production, which they really in.

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<v Speaker 1>It showcased how clean and modern the facility was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very kind of touristy. As we mentioned, the first

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<v Speaker 1>doughnuts he sold are essentially what the company now labels

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the original glazed and people really dug the product, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen forties and fifties, Crispy Cream expanded throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the Southeast. With the expansion came some growing pains though.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, all the doughnuts were made from scratch, which

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in a pretty inconsistent product, just not what a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these stores wanted at the time. So to

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<v Speaker 1>counter that, Rudolph opened a mixing plant just for Krispy

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<v Speaker 1>Cream donuts. Each store received deliveries of dry dough from

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<v Speaker 1>the plant, and the next step was developing mechanized donut

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<v Speaker 1>making equipment that cooked and glazed the donuts, speeding up

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<v Speaker 1>the whole process. Then nineteen sixties, the look of the

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<v Speaker 1>stores was standardized as well, with the tiled green roof

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<v Speaker 1>and the sign that we're familiar with. From there, locations

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<v Speaker 1>began opening up outside of the Southeast. Rudolph himself died

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy three, and his family sold the chain

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<v Speaker 1>to Beatrice Foods Company a few years later, and for

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<v Speaker 1>many franchisees this was unpopular. Moves oh yeah, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The recipe was changed to cut costs, the sign was changed.

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<v Speaker 1>So in response, Joe mcalar spearheaded an effort with other

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>early franchisees to come together to buy the company in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two, which they did. One of the first

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<v Speaker 1>acts of business was to reverse these changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not having it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, no, we know how to make our donuts,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you tell us?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Ridiculous. The infamous hot light was introduced to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two, and by nineteen ninety nine Krispy Kremes they

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<v Speaker 1>operated nationwide. A few years later, the business went international,

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<v Speaker 1>opening a store in Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>They went public in the year two thousand and then.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a little bit of a sidebar, but in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight researchers out of Northwestern University did

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<v Speaker 2>a small study about how hunger affects our self control

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<v Speaker 2>when we're tempted with treats by using Krispy Kreme. A

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>press release called it perhaps their first starring role in

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>neurological research. So what happened was subjects were either given

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<v Speaker 2>as many donuts as they wanted to eat or asked

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<v Speaker 2>too fast for eight hours. Both groups were then placed

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<v Speaker 2>in fMRIs and shown pictures of two things, screwdrivers and donuts.

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<v Speaker 2>In subjects who had just eaten, neither photo really got

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of reaction, but in subjects who had fasted,

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<v Speaker 2>the picture of the doughnut caused a couple parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the brain to just light up the parts that detect

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<v Speaker 2>and then focus your attention on things that are motivationally

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<v Speaker 2>significant in some way, like you know, food when you're hungry,

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 2>or a car horn when you're walking along a sidewalk,

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<v Speaker 2>which which only makes sense, but you know, doing the

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<v Speaker 2>science to prove it is always pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Meanwhile, sidebar aside, there was some corporate drama. In

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, the US Securities and Exchange Commission

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<v Speaker 2>settled this inquiry that had dated from two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>four into the company's accounting practices that wound up finding

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<v Speaker 2>three then former executives one hundred and fifty thousand in

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<v Speaker 2>just fines and almost six hundred and thirty three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in ill gotten gains and interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, yeah, well, continuing with the drama, in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a UK branch had to apologize for promotion for the

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<v Speaker 1>Krispy Kream Club as they were calling it are what

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<v Speaker 1>they also dubbed KKK Wednesday because of the association with

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<v Speaker 1>the American.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, I'm assuming that what happened was that whoever

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<v Speaker 2>put together that acronym didn't know or.

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<v Speaker 1>One can hope fingers crossed. I think I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, but fingers crossed indeed? Yes, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty sixteen, JAB Holding Company purchased Krispy Kreme for

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<v Speaker 1>one point three five billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>They immediately took the company private again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then the German family that owns jab Holding

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<v Speaker 1>admitted in twenty nineteen that they profited off of forced

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<v Speaker 1>labor during World War Two. On top of that, investigators

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>discovered two of their family members actively abused workers during

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties and forties. After the investigation into the family's

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi ties went public, the managing partner of the company

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<v Speaker 1>and the family's spokesperson didn't deny the accusations and said

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Ryman Senor and Ryman Junior were guilty. The two businessmen

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<v Speaker 1>have passed away, but they actually belonged in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was a really big deal. The holding

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 2>company owns a lot of other stuff like Panera things

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, And Junior had actually had kids with a

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<v Speaker 2>woman whose Jewish father was murdered by the Nazis in

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a concentration camp, and their kids are now the heirs

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to the family fortune. And since that investigation, they spend

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<v Speaker 2>at least some of it funding benefits to survivors of

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<v Speaker 2>the Holocaust and to survivors of forest labor. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis are bad as it turns out. Around twenty nineteen ish,

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<v Speaker 2>the company began replacing its power drives and controller mechanisms

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>in their donut making machinery they had last been updated

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>around two thousand and one, and they wanted to put

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>in more modern like connected equipment and software that can

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>help keep everything running smoothly and reduce wear to components

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>like motors and troubleshoot issues from any shop anywhere in

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the world due to Internet connectivity. Like for example, the

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>fry oil in in that bath is constantly heated and

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>pumped through the bath in order to keep the the

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>temperature and viscosity within the right range and to you

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 2>filter out any stray bits of dough and to prevent

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 2>hot and cold spots. You know that that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>With this modern equipment, it automatically monitors the flow rate

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and can adjust the motor speed automatically if anything goes

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 2>goes off, and furthermore, can adjust the amperage to make

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 2>sure that the motor doesn't overheat while it's doing that,

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>so you get a more consistent product and your parts

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 2>don't wear out as fast. And because you know exactly

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 2>how and how often things muck up, you know to

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>replace parts before you have a failure. The team working

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>on this wound up designing like a retrofiting kit that

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>shops could install quickly and easily shout out to Food

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Engineering Magazine, which I'm always glad to see come up

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 2>in my search results because they always have something really

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 2>nerdy and cool to report on. Like, like, all of

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 2>this is just so Like, if any of y'all we're

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>doing any kind of tech reading in like the early

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty teens, then you are probably as tired as I

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>am of the phrase Internet of things. But this, this

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>is what it's meant to be right here. Not oh

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I can text my fridge. This is the Internet of things.

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>That is cool. What do you have against your fridge, Laurene?

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Look, my fridge is dumb as a bag of rocks,

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>And I love that.

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>We're learning a lot about you.

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>When the COVID vaccine became generally available to the public,

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the company Krispy Kreme offered things like free donuts for

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>those that could show proof a vaccination.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, they do promoms like that for various things,

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>like a tax day in the USA. So if yeah,

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 2>it's which is which is cool? I'm like, yeah, you

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>can reward people for doing good stuff. Also, in twenty

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, they went public again. You can now find

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 2>them on the Nasdaq under the ticker d nut, which

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I think is cute.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what duncans is.

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I haven't looked it up. It's probably it's probably

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>dkn I would assume anyway. Possibly relatedly to going public again,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one, they also launched a new responsibility

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>directive called b Suite. It includes initiatives to curb environmental harm,

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 2>reduce waste, promote animal welfare like us switching to cage

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 2>free eggs, and encourage DEI and other labor considerations, which

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:57.719
<v Speaker 2>are good things. Yeah, yeah, love them. Okay, Now onto

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 2>our extremely Atlanta note. I couldn't let us go without

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>putting in here that right. We have had this this

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>one location in this busy part of town since the

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties and it's very popular. It is the one

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that both Annie and I have had near death experiences

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to get to. And in twenty sixteen, Shaquille O'Neill

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>bought the location, or I mean, you know, franchised it,

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and then it got set on fire twice in twenty

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, leading to its demolition, but then was rebuilt

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three. They never caught the arsonist that

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>is also Atlanta.

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it really is.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love it. I love it. But anyway, Yeah,

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, some McDonald's locations began selling individual

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Krispy Creme donuts, and the company is actually planning like

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a factory store expansion in several cities in order to

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>get donuts into more McDonald's locations. Huh okay, uh huh yeah.

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>As part of that. So okay, remember how I said

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that you can currently purchase a Krispy Kreme at over

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>seventeen thousand locations. They're looking to get that number up

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>to seventy five thousand locations and become as Restaurant Business

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Magazine termed it, quote an omni channel treat provider.

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm scared.

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 2>For Omney channel treat provider.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm on edge, feel threatened.

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. For the second time this episod. So the first

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>one was the original glazed flavored coffee.

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:10.799
<v Speaker 1>I know, Krispy Creme, they're up to stuff. They are

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>up to stuff. Well, that was kind of the point

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>of that article I mentioned about the competition between Duncan

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Donuts and Krispy Kreme. Duncan excuse me.

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and oh my goodness, like Duncan is going

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 2>to be a really interesting episode as well. And I

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 2>feel like the fight between those two companies could be

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 2>a third separate episode.

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it could be too. I think it could

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>be too. But yeah, basically, it was sort of like,

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, Krispy Kreme is really trafficking in this nostalgia aspects,

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but outside of the South, people might not necessarily have that.

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>And even South, sure, we just don't. We're on the

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>run all the time. We don't. Really. I have friends

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 1>clearly who love it and get it. I don't think

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>it's not I don't. I don't think it's doing poorly

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:11.240
<v Speaker 1>at all. But there is a space where they are lacking.

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they just don't do things

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 2>like breakfast sandwiches that Duncan does, and so it's kind

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>of an entirely different business model.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think I read somewhere that they don't

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>they do like special flavors, but a lot of them

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>don't like work out. Oh yeah, they're like good at

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 1>what they do, but what they do is kind of

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.359
<v Speaker 1>outside of that. But I mean people people love it.

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>People do love it, and they're big fans.

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, And no shade on duncan either.

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean no, yeah, both of us have in defense.

0:36:54.880 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 1>Backing away from we would never dare never never.

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Would not mess with Ben Affleck on my best day.

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, no no, it's just interesting.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.359
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was an interesting I guess I haven't

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>really thought about Krispy Kreme like that in a while.

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>But they are good. They're original, glazed, so good, m

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>m mmmmmm, so light. I do like the crackle that

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, like, yeah, well, listeners, if you have any

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>opinions or thoughts about donuts k please let us know.

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.439
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's what we have to say about

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Krispy Kreme for now.

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I think it is. We do already have some listener

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 2>mail for you, though, and we are going to get

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 2>into that as soon as we get back from one

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>more quick break for a word from our sponsors.

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And we're back. Thank you, sponsors, Yes, thank you, And

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>we're back with right off the belt, into my mouth,

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>into your face. Yeah, it is fun. It is fun.

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>It's cool, it is it is indeed all right, Uh,

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Mary wrote hello because we all need giggles right now.

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I played my listener mail when I talked about Hatch

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Green Chili and Annie admitted she is now an addict.

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry and you're welcome. We were in the car

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and my husband pipes up with I wonder if the

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.359
<v Speaker 1>P n M cookbook is still out there. I told

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.479
<v Speaker 1>him this was a great idea. I suggested he tell

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you who it was, and I got the look of

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>nope from him. I then suggested he tell you that

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>his mom tortilla recipe is in there. That didn't get

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a look, but it didn't make it in there either.

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>My final suggestion was to put at the end the

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.760
<v Speaker 1>one who rolls his eyes and groans when my wife

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and Annie crack up laughing at puns. That got a

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>verbal no. Fast forward to his listener mail being read.

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I was in the car by myself when I heard it.

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I screamed with joy and.

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Stopped the podcast.

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>He received a text message filled with more exclamation marks

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>than I have you since high school. I was so

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>excited for him. His response cool, he doesn't understand how

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>amazing it is to have it read on the show.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day. I'm still hoping for a live show

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 1>one day. Our daughter is now old enough to appreciate

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>a will placed curse word, so she would be able

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 1>to come to or maybe do a tour. We are

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>coming to Atlanta in June. We are hoping to hit

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the aquarium, World of Coke, Natural History Museum, Shakespeare Theater,

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and a ghost tour too. Any suggestions would be appreciated,

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and the more random or local the better.

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, we have suggestions for you.

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>We do, we do. I've already sent along my map,

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>but I I think I could. I think I could

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>add some more random if you really want, like the

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>random local stuff. I think Lauren and I could oh

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>yeah together something yeah, I mean, and it depends on

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>what y'all are into. I mean, I mean, aquarium is

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 1>absolutely worth it. The fern Bank Natural History Museum is great,

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare Tavern is terrific. I don't think I've been on

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 1>any ghost tours here, but we do have some excellent cemeteries.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>And it's very on brand of me to say that,

0:40:56.320 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I know, but we really do. Oakland Cemetery is like

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of right in the middle of the city and

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 1>it's got you know, like Confederate sections and Jewish sections

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's fascinating, really fascinating place to go. You can

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>go to the Krispy Cream on ponstantly on. Yes, it

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>is really cool. It's great.

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you've never seen donuts being made at a

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Krispye cream it's terrific. And yes, I said ponstantly on

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.839
<v Speaker 2>and yes, that's how we pronounce it. I understand, yes,

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>but that's not how you say that name.

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>But if you said it the correct way, you would

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 2>be looked at like you had a double like like

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>you had a second head here.

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's what it is.

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll see, I'll I'll brainstorm a little bit.

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just write in let us know

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 1>if there's anything specific, uh that you're into. We've got

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.280
<v Speaker 1>We've got a bunch, we've got a bunch of ideas.

0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I did get to apologies to everybody. I answered listener

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>mail for the first time yesterday as we record this

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 1>since January oh wow.

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh but yeah, it's been a rough couple of months.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>It's been a it's yep, but I yes, but I

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>got to see this kind of unfold with Mary and

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>your husband because we did read his listener mail, and

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that the connection related, yeah, until this

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 1>came through. But it was really really fun and so

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I hope I hope that uh, this continues to be

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>a fun time for him and not a terrible time.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 1>But the live show, I mean maybe one day.

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a food tour, yeah, one of these things. I

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of these things we.

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Should We should reach out to the iHeart marketing department

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and see and see what they want to put us through. Yes, no, we.

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Would love it.

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 2>We would love to hang out. We would okay, Uh,

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 2>John wrote, I have been following you since episode two. Actually,

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I sleep with you guys every night. I tune into

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>old episodes and let them lull me to sleep. I

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 2>usually can't get through more than one. It keeps my

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 2>mind off of whatever would keep me awake. Anyway, I

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to comment on the stable non dairy creamer episode

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>from last fall. You guys say so.

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes with cream, I feel like you're lucky to get

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 2>a week. I get home and it's already off well.

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.320
<v Speaker 2>In my experience, heavy whipping cream has a long shelf life.

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Attached as a photo of a container I bought today

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.439
<v Speaker 2>with a date of May twelfth, twenty twenty five, which

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>is six weeks in the future. My experience with this

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 2>particular brand is that it lasts well beyond the best

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>BUYE or whatever date on the package, and yeah, photo

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>is attached. There's photo evidence there is.

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I have been researching this.

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.959
<v Speaker 2>Lately, yeah, like yeah.

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Kind of, yeah. I just have a couple of things

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, really, this is bad already because it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it shouldn't be and it's like prepackaged in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way. But I also don't want to risk it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have been looking into I have been looking

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<v Speaker 1>into some things, but this the date is clear, the

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<v Speaker 1>data is clear on the package, and the brand for

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<v Speaker 1>the record is HB SO, which I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>We have in our area. But I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>they're connected to another grosser brand that I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to look at that, and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way for me to check right now. I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing about dairy is that, like, it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna hurt you. If you drink it past its

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<v Speaker 2>due date, it might not taste and feel right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you are looking strongly to avoid that experience,

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<v Speaker 2>then by all means, use all caution rights.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that's where I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get some sort of clarity, Uh, in my specific issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, I wonder if we could get you like

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<v Speaker 2>like little like acid test strips, and if you could

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<v Speaker 2>if you could like find data on like at what

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<v Speaker 2>acidity milk or cream is off? Yeah, I bet, I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you could. I mean those test strips can be expensive,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least the ones for aquarium testing were, but

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<v Speaker 2>they test a lot more than acid levels.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be interesting. I could run my own experiment. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>future future as will look into it. I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>I do always get a laugh out of when people

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<v Speaker 1>write in and say we help them sleep. I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh oh yeah, oh no. I totally always have

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<v Speaker 2>something that I go through, some media that I am

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<v Speaker 2>consuming when I'm falling asleep, because otherwise I'm alone with

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<v Speaker 2>my thoughts and that's the worst. As murder Bot would say,

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<v Speaker 2>my head is where most of my problems are. That

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want that. So yeah, like right, it's lately

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<v Speaker 2>it's been old episodes of Supernatural. But yo, absolutely understand

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<v Speaker 2>if we are soothing, that's like the best news I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, no offense is taken. In fact, I'm happy

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<v Speaker 1>to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, if you had phrased it as you guys

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<v Speaker 2>make me fall asleep. That would be weirder.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd feel a certain way, but I might get

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<v Speaker 1>on board with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Took actually either way, I mean yeah, if it's still soothing,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great and you're still listening. Uh huh, there you go,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go.

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