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Speaker 1: What's a Broncos Country.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Broncos podcast network and YouTube for

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Speaker 2: the latest episode of Broncos Now.

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Speaker 1: As always, am your hostess, Sidney Jones, and coming.

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Speaker 2: Up on today's episode, Broncos lead writer Eric de Lala

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Speaker 2: joins the show. We'll take a look at what experts

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Speaker 2: are predicting for the Broncos twelfth overall pick in this

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Speaker 2: year's draft.

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Speaker 1: Oh then more coming up.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, you're inside the Broncos podcast studio for today's

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Speaker 2: episode of Broncos Now is Bronc's lead writer Eric to La.

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Speaker 1: Eric, thanks for joining me. How's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's good, sid How are you doing well?

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a while since we've been

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Speaker 1: in here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and nice to uh to get back at it.

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Speaker 4: Draft is two weeks away.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks away from the day. Very exciting, very exciting.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to Eric. I know we've talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about mock drafts in the past couple of weeks, but

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Speaker 2: now that we're getting a little bit closer, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: just two weeks out, what are some of the experts

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Speaker 2: saying now, you know, who are they predicting the Broncos

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Speaker 2: to take?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, sid we saw a run there on

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy for a long time, and there's certainly still

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Speaker 4: some people predicting that. But bo Neck is far and

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Speaker 4: away from a quarterback perspective kind of who people are

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Speaker 4: projecting to the Broncos. He's a guy that they think

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Speaker 4: he's going to fit well in Sean Payton's system. His

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Speaker 4: ability to process, get the ball out quick. People like

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Speaker 4: those things and see some traits there. There's been some

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Speaker 4: comparisons to Drew Brees a little bit. I will say

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Speaker 4: I saw something on Twitter the other day where one

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Speaker 4: tweet was like, Bonix is the perfect prospect for Sean Payton,

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Speaker 4: and then right underneath it another expert said, I don't

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Speaker 4: think Sean Payton's going to like Bonix at all, And

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Speaker 4: so I thought that was Twitter in a nutshell and

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Speaker 4: just kind of Indigo exactly right. It's you don't know

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Speaker 4: what anybody's thinking, but Bonix has certainly gotten a lot

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Speaker 4: of play. I would say the interesting thing the last

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Speaker 4: few days is that people are now starting to have

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Speaker 4: the Broncos trade down to get Bonix. I saw one

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Speaker 4: mock draft have him go as lead as the third round.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think if you can find a

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Speaker 4: way to do that and get another great player at twelve,

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Speaker 4: whether that's trading back into the first round. Bruce Feldman

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Speaker 4: of The Athletic had the Broncos taking a player at

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Speaker 4: twelve and then trading back in for Bonix. Some other

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Speaker 4: people have had them trade down take Bonix in the

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Speaker 4: low teens early twenties. Again, I mentioned the one in

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Speaker 4: the third round that's great. I will say that I

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Speaker 4: think the consensus most people, not just about the Broncos,

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Speaker 4: but if you like a quarterback and he's there, you

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Speaker 4: take him, and you don't necessarily take that risk.

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Speaker 3: So we'll have to see what the Broncos do.

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Speaker 4: If they do really like Bonicks, it would maybe be

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Speaker 4: number twelve and take that chance. But again, if it

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Speaker 4: that's part of what's going to make the first round

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Speaker 4: so interesting is that you know there's a possibility even

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Speaker 4: it's not out of play to take one later. And

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Speaker 4: so I think if you're a fan, maybe that creates

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Speaker 4: but it also creates some excitement. I will say, if

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Speaker 4: it's not a quarterback there, we're still seeing Jared Verse

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Speaker 4: a really good year, Quinnon Mitchell from Toledo, a corner

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Speaker 4: that would look like. But I know that everybody the

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Speaker 3: So we'll just have to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Eric, to go back for a little bit, you

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Speaker 2: where the Broncos sit at twelve, it seems like that's.

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Speaker 1: Out of the question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean again, who knows what's real and what's

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Speaker 4: not right. You're right from a stock standpoint, it seems

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Speaker 4: get him. You're right that those conversations have all been had,

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Speaker 4: and then every year you see there's one or two

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Speaker 4: So I think you're right. The perception right now is

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Speaker 4: a team putting that out there because they want you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe the Vikings want the Broncos to think, Hey, if

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Speaker 4: And so it's just it's hard to know what's real

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Speaker 4: some fun stuff to talk about with that in terms of,

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Speaker 4: you know, did he mention that because the Broncas are

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Speaker 4: or does he mention that because he wants people to

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's it's all a smoke screen this time

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Speaker 4: And so that's where like at the combine, Michael Pennix

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Speaker 4: and that was a tough interview. And I've seen some

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Speaker 4: just who really knows at this point. That's what makes

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Speaker 2: Definitely will Eric kind of going off with that, what

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Speaker 2: do you what do you think?

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Speaker 1: What's your gut you know, feeling, what would you like

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Well, I just think one continue to

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Speaker 4: They made some tough decisions. But I think between the

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Speaker 4: that's great. If you feel like that guy is a

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Speaker 4: being relevant. And maybe that means taking a quarterback again,

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Speaker 4: Maybe it means trading up. Maybe it means staying put

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Speaker 4: whatever that might be, and it might not be the

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Speaker 3: If you know.

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Speaker 4: Obviously fans want a quarterback, they want whatever quarterback they

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Speaker 4: And so my attitude this year is one more of

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Speaker 4: you've got to hit on some late round picks to

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Speaker 3: You've got to, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, can you potentially find a way to get a

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Speaker 4: Like that's what this is about. It's more about building

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Speaker 4: see what happens. But kind of a just trust the

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Speaker 3: My thought on it.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the bigger picture. Yeah, I like that answer.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we'll see how it goes and it

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Speaker 4: might not be a These draft grades are always funny, right,

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Speaker 1: Are, and so this don't necessarily matter, right.

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Speaker 4: And so you know this is going to be more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Eric, we've talked a lot about the first round pick, obviously,

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Speaker 1: You think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Eric.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking forward to the draft, Eric, just two

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Speaker 1: Did you see that de Marcus ware was on the

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Speaker 3: I did see that. He addressed up as a quall.

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Speaker 4: At that, but it was DeMarcus I do feel bad

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see him do that. Well, Eric, appreciate

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Speaker 3: You got it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to do it for this week's episode

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Speaker 2: of Broncos Now Broncos Country.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: I'll meet you right back here on the Broncos podcast

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Speaker 2: network and YouTube next week for another episode.

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Speaker 1: I will see you all then,