1
00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

2
00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,040
Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

3
00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,240
Speaker 2: What up, y'all, it's unpaid bill for Quest Love Supreme.

4
00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,320
Speaker 2: As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating

5
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,920
Speaker 2: Black Music Month by releasing an episode every day, So

6
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,919
Speaker 2: every day you either hear especially picked QLs Classic, and

7
00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,520
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays we are dropping new two part episodes with

8
00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,599
Speaker 2: Wayne Brady and the legendary James Poyser, both of which

9
00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,680
Speaker 2: were filmed at Studio. Black music is deeply important to

10
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,600
Speaker 2: me and has been an influence throughout my entire career.

11
00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,960
Speaker 2: It's also something we celebrate here at QLs. Today we

12
00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,760
Speaker 2: look back at our twenty eighteen conversation with the incredible

13
00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,639
Speaker 2: five time Grammy Award winning Angelie Quijo. We spoke about Afrobeat,

14
00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,680
Speaker 2: Lakuti and more.

15
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:53,680
Speaker 3: Supremo Sun Sun Suprema, Roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun Suprema

16
00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:00,600
Speaker 3: Roll Call, Suprema Su Su Supremo, Roll Call, Subprema Son

17
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,680
Speaker 3: Supremo roll Just so.

18
00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,400
Speaker 1: That you know, Yeah, Angel Leek, you, Joe, Yeah, my

19
00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,319
Speaker 1: roots just might be Yeah and Ben and come.

20
00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:18,200
Speaker 3: To Supremo Roll Suprema Son Son Supremo roll call.

21
00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,440
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I booked an African diva.

22
00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I didn't show up. Yeah, I'm at home

23
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,000
Speaker 1: smoking's a Teeva.

24
00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:34,320
Speaker 3: Supremo roll call out Supremo Supremo roll call.

25
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,080
Speaker 1: Out paid Bill. Yeah, and I'll tell you so. Yeah.

26
00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,080
Speaker 1: I wrote my college thesis on Angelikio.

27
00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:49,680
Speaker 3: Supremo, son Son Supremo roll call Supremo Son Son Supremo role.

28
00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Boss Bill is excited. Yeah for this here show Yeah,

29
00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm ready to learn. Yeah, what I do not know?

30
00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:03,920
Speaker 3: Roll so some Supprimo roll call Supreme got killed here

31
00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,639
Speaker 3: seven Supremo roll here.

32
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,960
Speaker 5: I come, Yeah from Africa. Yeah, I've got something.

33
00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:18,040
Speaker 6: Yeah to tell you, dude, son Son Supprimo roll call

34
00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,519
Speaker 6: Suprema son Sun Supremo roll call Suprema son Son.

35
00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,000
Speaker 3: Supremo roll call Suprema son Son Supremo roll call.

36
00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,880
Speaker 2: Wait, Sativa, Wait, whatever's happened You ever cough so hard

37
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,880
Speaker 2: that you have a headache?

38
00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I love Vessel. Greatth that's good.

39
00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,639
Speaker 5: Come on with that.

40
00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,799
Speaker 1: We got Sugar Steve and and the Bill Twins. Hello,

41
00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm feel unpaid in U and Boss Bill. If you

42
00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,600
Speaker 1: hear any noise, it's just the boys, because like sound

43
00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,560
Speaker 1: of where is Like, why did you call her? She's moving?

44
00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,560
Speaker 4: She's not here?

45
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, Well, she's moving, and this would

46
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,720
Speaker 1: be it's just that she's not she's This would be

47
00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,480
Speaker 1: such a great nerve to participate in. I mean, we

48
00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,079
Speaker 1: we have royalty with us, and and why he's not

49
00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,680
Speaker 1: here for this? And I guess fan take a little

50
00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,160
Speaker 1: still tending to his uh kitchen countertop.

51
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,960
Speaker 5: Anyway, it's not easy, guys, Come on ye.

52
00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,400
Speaker 1: Anyway tonight or today, we're in the presidence of royalty. Uh.

53
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,640
Speaker 1: We have the undisputed queen of African music.

54
00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:37,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

55
00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,440
Speaker 1: And according to Time magazine, she is Africa's premiere diva.

56
00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if what's the jury when the word

57
00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,440
Speaker 1: term eva. It's over with diva, isn't it already?

58
00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,119
Speaker 5: Yeah?

59
00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,280
Speaker 1: Enough of that, okay, okay, so we'll just say that

60
00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,320
Speaker 1: according to Time magazine, you're just the premiere. I will know.

61
00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,320
Speaker 5: I'm not a premier.

62
00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm just a regular scene that okay, Okay, she's one

63
00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,600
Speaker 1: of those Yeah, yeah.

64
00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,040
Speaker 5: No, I'm always humble because this life is like that.

65
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 5: One day you're up, the next day you're down with

66
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,760
Speaker 5: your nose in the Doukie.

67
00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:18,280
Speaker 7: All right, well, waiting and gentlemen, fresh forky News's welcome,

68
00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,599
Speaker 7: right the Queen of the Queen of all Angeley Qujo

69
00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,360
Speaker 7: the quest.

70
00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,040
Speaker 5: Love Supreme, thank you so much.

71
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, now I'm paid, Bill, Yes, and you rarely

72
00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,160
Speaker 1: take the take. You're rarely out of the batter's box

73
00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,200
Speaker 1: first on the show. But here I am. You did

74
00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,159
Speaker 1: your final college thesis on our subject today.

75
00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,000
Speaker 2: I did explain this, okay. Well, I was really into

76
00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 2: West African music in college. I went to Ghana for

77
00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,080
Speaker 2: a semester when I was in a sophomore or junior

78
00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,000
Speaker 2: or something like that. Wait you what, Yeah, I went,

79
00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,120
Speaker 2: I've been to Africa more than anybody in this room beside.

80
00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,400
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah?

81
00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,080
Speaker 2: But so I went to wait, I'm not using this

82
00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,400
Speaker 2: just to play your new themes. By the way, there's

83
00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,000
Speaker 2: a lot of random ship that goes on in my life.

84
00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:06,520
Speaker 1: And here's why.

85
00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:28,000
Speaker 4: Alright, okay, what's just happened?

86
00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't get you didn't know that? Now that

87
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,280
Speaker 1: worked because I felt like I was so high, no

88
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,040
Speaker 1: more than normal or just like I'm paying Bill is

89
00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,120
Speaker 1: random round me?

90
00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,360
Speaker 2: He's just so wait, So I I how many times

91
00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,880
Speaker 2: have you been to Africa three, three times, twice twice. Okay,

92
00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,120
Speaker 2: that's the North Coast anyway, that's important. I wrote my

93
00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,640
Speaker 2: thesis about what I called Transatlantic diasporic feedback, which is

94
00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,280
Speaker 2: a smart way of saying, we all know how West

95
00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,040
Speaker 2: African African music affected the States, but then in turn

96
00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,160
Speaker 2: how the States how the music went back around and

97
00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,599
Speaker 2: affected West Africa. So like people like Fale and people

98
00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,200
Speaker 2: like Angelikijo who like by Funk and like also with

99
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,160
Speaker 2: African music, but like other stuff that happened, and then

100
00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,280
Speaker 2: and then there's another trip across the Atlantic, and it

101
00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,599
Speaker 2: kind of keeps on going in this big.

102
00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,200
Speaker 1: Circle, and so dog chasing it. Yeah, so I wrote

103
00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,279
Speaker 1: my thesis about that. That's beautiful. Okay, Well anyway, Angeline,

104
00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,760
Speaker 1: that was like the movie previews. Now I'm gonna get

105
00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:27,920
Speaker 1: to you.

106
00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,000
Speaker 5: But I think that is interesting that you thought of

107
00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,039
Speaker 5: doing that. But most of most of the time, people

108
00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,520
Speaker 5: don't even understand, don't even realize that the music they

109
00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 5: have been listening to for so many years or centuries

110
00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,120
Speaker 5: comes from Africa. And I always tell people no music

111
00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,280
Speaker 5: will exist in America without the blues. Everything started with

112
00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,120
Speaker 5: the blues and with the blues, blue grass is not

113
00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,920
Speaker 5: white people's music. It's black people and music. All the

114
00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,760
Speaker 5: music in this country, it's black people. That's sorry.

115
00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,960
Speaker 1: A lot of my UH students the first year started

116
00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,719
Speaker 1: teaching at U n Yu didn't know that. Three students

117
00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,280
Speaker 1: didn't know that the banjo came from Africa, like a

118
00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,240
Speaker 1: lot of instruments that are used in country Western music.

119
00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,200
Speaker 5: They don't even know that.

120
00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,880
Speaker 1: They didn't know that. Yeah, they didn't. So how are

121
00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,520
Speaker 1: you today?

122
00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:16,800
Speaker 6: Me?

123
00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm cool, apart from the rain that makes me stay

124
00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,520
Speaker 5: in the car for more than and now I have

125
00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,240
Speaker 5: to get here. And my bladd I was crying for

126
00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,320
Speaker 5: help when I walked in here. I mean, come on, guys,

127
00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,200
Speaker 5: just for you, I do that request of you know that? Right?

128
00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,440
Speaker 1: Yes? Just for me?

129
00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, because every time he invited me, I always have

130
00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800
Speaker 5: to go for traffic. But something going on with these

131
00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,160
Speaker 5: guys sounds about right.

132
00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:39,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

133
00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad you made it. I'm glad you made it.

134
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,520
Speaker 1: So you're you've been in New Yorker for a second? Correct?

135
00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,960
Speaker 1: How long have you been?

136
00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,640
Speaker 5: I've been here since nineteen ninety seven.

137
00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess twenty one years makes you that.

138
00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,760
Speaker 1: My official rule is that if you're a transplant, uh

139
00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,320
Speaker 1: from out of New York, you can officially start calling

140
00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,520
Speaker 1: yourself a real New Yorker. Yeah after twenty years. Yeah,

141
00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,200
Speaker 1: oh so I'm only on one ninth year.

142
00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160
Speaker 5: I am broken. I'm from Brooklyn, y'all.

143
00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:10,800
Speaker 1: I feel like you always changed.

144
00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:10,880
Speaker 3: That.

145
00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,600
Speaker 1: Not from you, I hear it from a lot of people.

146
00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,800
Speaker 1: I've heard. I heard no the number of years it

147
00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,800
Speaker 1: takes to claim New Yorker status. I've been here for

148
00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,720
Speaker 1: sixteen years. I think I'm in New Yorker.

149
00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,760
Speaker 5: Now, once you past ten years, you're in New York.

150
00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,760
Speaker 1: Sorry, buddy, Yeah, because I can't. I've reknew my driver's

151
00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,800
Speaker 1: license here twice. I'm still a Pennsylvania residence. My tax like,

152
00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm still a Pennsylvania because, uh, I'm too lazy to

153
00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,520
Speaker 1: go to DMV.

154
00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,079
Speaker 5: I guess I don't know, but he's so close it

155
00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:42,640
Speaker 5: doesn't matter.

156
00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how long have you been? I was gonna

157
00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,080
Speaker 2: to ask. I grew up on Long Island, which all

158
00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,560
Speaker 2: New Yorkers don't know he exists.

159
00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,679
Speaker 1: No, you're really a New Yorker. Yeah, I don't have

160
00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,640
Speaker 1: an accent. My mom does, I don't. I don't know.

161
00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,920
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't even know you have an accent. I

162
00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,920
Speaker 5: have so many accident a little bit of it.

163
00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,439
Speaker 1: Accent too, just a tiny one.

164
00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,520
Speaker 5: I don't care. I have accent and I'm proud of it.

165
00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:10,840
Speaker 1: We're part of Brooklyn Park Slope. Oh okay, nice cool Brooklyn?

166
00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,200
Speaker 1: Is there an uncruel Brooklyn?

167
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:13,439
Speaker 5: Like?

168
00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,240
Speaker 1: What's what's hitting for Vincent Hurst these days? Like I

169
00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 1: live in Bushwick, Brooklyn, in brooks Bushwick, and you don't

170
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,360
Speaker 1: wear an ounce of cameo or not since like two

171
00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,320
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Okay, No, I've seen them brothers in Bushwick,

172
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,319
Speaker 1: like they still have like one leg rolled up in

173
00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,640
Speaker 1: a Dutch a Dutch in their ears. It's changed a

174
00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,680
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay. So there's are like pickle shops and okay,

175
00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,280
Speaker 1: I see, I understand. One day I'll check the Brooklyn

176
00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,679
Speaker 1: no you yeah, We'll go to Brooklyn Bowl, don't you

177
00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,959
Speaker 1: like once a month? Yeah? I guess. I don't know

178
00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000
Speaker 1: if Williamsburg really counts as super like Brooklyn. But anyway,

179
00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,719
Speaker 1: so suburb, Okay, I see, yes, the Manhattan suburb. So

180
00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,080
Speaker 1: I have to say that in the years that I've

181
00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,920
Speaker 1: been collaborating with you and you know, doing stuff and

182
00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,600
Speaker 1: shows with you, you and I have never ever, ever

183
00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,800
Speaker 1: talked about your story and what brought you to prominence

184
00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,520
Speaker 1: and dominance UH across the world and especially in the

185
00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,680
Speaker 1: in the world of African music. First of all, Okay,

186
00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,520
Speaker 1: when they say African music, I almost feel like it's

187
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,319
Speaker 1: being too broad.

188
00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,400
Speaker 5: I mean, it's acolic, reducing Africa to one thing that

189
00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,120
Speaker 5: Westerner can understand you and absorbs without asking themselves questions.

190
00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,640
Speaker 1: We're idiots. Okay, we're idiots.

191
00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,679
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you, no you. I'm saying it. But

192
00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,120
Speaker 5: I'm talking about Westerner because who tell the story of

193
00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,920
Speaker 5: Black people from the beginning? The Westerner from the beginning

194
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000
Speaker 5: when they set a foot in Africa. We were doing

195
00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,920
Speaker 5: because they come with a plan, and that plan was

196
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,800
Speaker 5: to enslave us, to colonize us, and to take our

197
00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,000
Speaker 5: wealth away, the resources away, and keep the hands on

198
00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,760
Speaker 5: it and continue telling the story of us not being

199
00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,360
Speaker 5: smart enough, being shylish. We have no culture, we have

200
00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 5: no civilization, we have no library, we have nothing. We

201
00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,680
Speaker 5: are savage people. When you are dehumanized from the beginning,

202
00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,720
Speaker 5: how do you reclaim your your humanity? As as Curry

203
00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,880
Speaker 5: James was telling me when I was sitting down with him,

204
00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,280
Speaker 5: he said, we never win any battle we've been We've

205
00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,120
Speaker 5: been defeated. So it's very hard for us to tell

206
00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,800
Speaker 5: our story from the point of being defeated because we're

207
00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,920
Speaker 5: never given a chance to do whatever we wanted to

208
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,199
Speaker 5: do the way we wanted to do it.

209
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,920
Speaker 1: Get work, work, work, Yeah, okay. So I just recently,

210
00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,640
Speaker 1: up until maybe five or six months ago, was told

211
00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: that my family history starts in Benin. Benin, you're from?

212
00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,640
Speaker 1: How many How large is the the territory that you're from?

213
00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,040
Speaker 5: Well, I know in kilometter, I don't know. In one

214
00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,240
Speaker 5: point six million kilometer is the country? It is the

215
00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,760
Speaker 5: small country we are. We are close to pretty much

216
00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:36,360
Speaker 5: twelve million, and we have fifty different languages. Whoa, oh yeah,

217
00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,240
Speaker 5: I may take one five miles you go to the

218
00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,600
Speaker 5: next village. Different rhythm, different drums, different languages, everything is different.

219
00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,280
Speaker 5: So out of the fifty, I only speak four, but

220
00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,520
Speaker 5: those four allowed me to be able to move completely

221
00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,319
Speaker 5: in the south all the way to the center of

222
00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,360
Speaker 5: the country. But as soon as I hit the northern countries,

223
00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,959
Speaker 5: I need an interpreter because I don't speak any of

224
00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,880
Speaker 5: the language from the north.

225
00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:06,719
Speaker 1: How many languages are would you your assessment? How many

226
00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,160
Speaker 1: languages are in the continent of Africa.

227
00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,480
Speaker 5: Some people say fifteen hundred, and I said, there's more

228
00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:20,079
Speaker 5: than that, because every little village the language. Sometimes what

229
00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,199
Speaker 5: happened is that it's like between Latin and French. The

230
00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,480
Speaker 5: language of my father's phone was at the beginning, it's

231
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,600
Speaker 5: called Peter. It was a tribe and it was very

232
00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,520
Speaker 5: difficult for people to understand. So step by step when

233
00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,160
Speaker 5: colonization coming, is that being diluted and a little bit

234
00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,640
Speaker 5: to make it more understandable. So it turned to French

235
00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,920
Speaker 5: instead of being the peda language, but the better language.

236
00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,760
Speaker 5: When you speak the better language, you understand a lot

237
00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,959
Speaker 5: of languages from the southern part, like Eva, like Nagou,

238
00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,679
Speaker 5: many different languages in the south. And what is interesting

239
00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,480
Speaker 5: to me is how as a little girl born in

240
00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,959
Speaker 5: the city, I was able to be surrounded by different

241
00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,559
Speaker 5: languages in one street, the street I grew up in.

242
00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,880
Speaker 5: So I have in front of my house, I have

243
00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,520
Speaker 5: the Muslim I have the mosque, I have people from

244
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,240
Speaker 5: the Mono that comes from between Ghana Togo and being

245
00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,960
Speaker 5: in that kind of and then I have been from Nigeria.

246
00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,160
Speaker 5: My mom is from Nigeria, so I have I speak

247
00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,840
Speaker 5: Yoruba too, and then you have all these people during

248
00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,320
Speaker 5: the battle between the Kingdom of the Phone and the

249
00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,440
Speaker 5: kingdom of your Yoruba, when they used to fight for territory.

250
00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,200
Speaker 5: Every time somebody win the battle, you bring the prisoners back.

251
00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,080
Speaker 5: So the prisoners that come from the Yoruba land there

252
00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,000
Speaker 5: you find them in the place. The village is the

253
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,800
Speaker 5: vigia that they built is called Ketu and the language

254
00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,320
Speaker 5: is called Nago, which drive from Yoruba, but mixed with

255
00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,360
Speaker 5: the language that was in the area, so they mix

256
00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,880
Speaker 5: it up and it's a completely different language from Yoruba.

257
00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 1: So is it is it quite often that there's conflict

258
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,880
Speaker 1: between the Nigerians and.

259
00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,080
Speaker 5: Uh no more. No more. At the beginning it was

260
00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,880
Speaker 5: Nigeria been in Togo Ghana there were one country. So

261
00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,680
Speaker 5: is the colonizer that put the frontiers, that's separate tribes.

262
00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,920
Speaker 5: We are all the same pretty much. If you do

263
00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,440
Speaker 5: the DNA test of Nigerian, Ghani and even Cameroonian on

264
00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 5: the northern part of Cameroon and Togo, we're all the

265
00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,960
Speaker 5: same people all the way to the north. The north

266
00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,680
Speaker 5: of Bening frontiers is the Niger River. So what makes

267
00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,160
Speaker 5: it complicated for me to learn in language from Nize.

268
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,160
Speaker 5: Is that you have a lot of trade that go

269
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,960
Speaker 5: from the northern part of Beining to Nigeria. You have

270
00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,120
Speaker 5: the Ausa. Ausa is the language. Alousa and Swali are

271
00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,040
Speaker 5: the two biggest language in Africa. Because there are languages

272
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,920
Speaker 5: of trade. So if you want to trade from west

273
00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,320
Speaker 5: to east, north south, if you speak ourside, you can turn,

274
00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,280
Speaker 5: you can do the whole continent. And if speak Sayili too,

275
00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,000
Speaker 5: so you have the outside. In the north, you have

276
00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,880
Speaker 5: the northern people from Togo that are there. You have

277
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,320
Speaker 5: the northern people from Nize that comes in because they

278
00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,240
Speaker 5: are all the nomad they're coming when it's too dry

279
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,440
Speaker 5: in the desert. The closest way place where they can

280
00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,440
Speaker 5: get water is in beneath, so they cross the river

281
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,320
Speaker 5: to come in. So it's very very complex the north,

282
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,280
Speaker 5: and they have so many different languages. And the rhythm

283
00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,880
Speaker 5: also is completely different.

284
00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,640
Speaker 2: Is the.

285
00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,040
Speaker 5: Rhythm in the in the south is much more six

286
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,440
Speaker 5: eight and in the northern is more complex. Is you

287
00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,600
Speaker 5: have five four, all those kind of different weird rhythm.

288
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,760
Speaker 5: And it's the only place in the whole country where

289
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,440
Speaker 5: women have the music, the traditional music separate from the

290
00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,000
Speaker 5: men when they are playing. They want no guys in there,

291
00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,440
Speaker 5: and it's like you just don't touch our drum. This

292
00:16:59,640 --> 00:16:59,920
Speaker 5: kind of.

293
00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,439
Speaker 1: Serious, really really, Also the drums themselves are totally different.

294
00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,159
Speaker 2: The whole rhythmic complexities are completely if you go like

295
00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,600
Speaker 2: five miles east or five miles west, because all those

296
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,240
Speaker 2: countries are really close together. So Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria

297
00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,040
Speaker 2: are all next to each other and you can get

298
00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 2: two of them by going through them, and then you

299
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,359
Speaker 2: go from an Anglophone to a Francophone to an anglophone country.

300
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,920
Speaker 2: So there's this constant dealing of languages and it's it's

301
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,080
Speaker 2: insane and and not And in addition to Benin, sorry

302
00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,320
Speaker 2: to get all gannany, but like that. That country also

303
00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,800
Speaker 2: as you go north, has totally different languages and totally

304
00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,720
Speaker 2: different drum cultures. By going fifty miles you have Kumasi,

305
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,399
Speaker 2: which is the middle of the country, which has its

306
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,399
Speaker 2: own culture. I love Akra yeah, me too, and Tamala,

307
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,119
Speaker 2: which is closer to the desert, which is more like

308
00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,200
Speaker 2: talking drums and things like that.

309
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,320
Speaker 1: It's a totally different culture as well. As you go.

310
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,879
Speaker 5: Like like what verse one village that was wait hang

311
00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:03,040
Speaker 5: one second, like your mommy Jamaican, I want to tell

312
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 5: you know about Look, you know one of the things

313
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,080
Speaker 5: that was really interesting for me growing up in Benin,

314
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,520
Speaker 5: I never wanted. I never went to the north because

315
00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,520
Speaker 5: when the colonizer came, they divide the Southerner from the

316
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,840
Speaker 5: northerner and they tell us they told the Southerner, you

317
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 5: go to the North, They're gonna kill you. They are

318
00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,440
Speaker 5: savage people there. So when I was little kid, I'm

319
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 5: not gonna go to the North. I'm wanna travel, travel

320
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 5: to desert. My father said, yeah, I like to go.

321
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,960
Speaker 5: My mama said, no, don't send my child there. I'm like,

322
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 5: what's going on? I have to leave my country because

323
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,400
Speaker 5: of the communist dictatorship, go to France and coming back

324
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,480
Speaker 5: to my country to discover the north. And I discover

325
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:50,960
Speaker 5: a village insane. It's called Mani Grie. They speak Nago Yoruba,

326
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,119
Speaker 5: but it's different. It's I understand them, but there's a

327
00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 5: certain thing I don't understand. And in that village particularly,

328
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,880
Speaker 5: the only thing that guys are allowed to do when

329
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,440
Speaker 5: they are playing music is to play the equivalent. I

330
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 5: think the ancest of Bernbau. That's where it comes from

331
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 5: is that small guitar that got ding ding ring ringing.

332
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 5: And the only thing he can say the women are singing.

333
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 5: He's going mmmmm, that's it. You said more that they

334
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 5: just go like, we don't, we don't ask you to

335
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 5: sing it shut up.

336
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: So it's sort of not segregation, but it's is.

337
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,120
Speaker 5: That the guys. But the thing is when the guys

338
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,679
Speaker 5: are doing their music, the women are not singing. They

339
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,199
Speaker 5: are cooking.

340
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 1: So there's no tribes that collaborate with each other.

341
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 5: And when somebody die, so somebody dies, when somebody have

342
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 5: a baby, when somebody is getting married, when there for

343
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 5: something that is not official. Because when I come to

344
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 5: see them in the village, the women want to pay

345
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 5: tribute to me. So that's when they come and they

346
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 5: want sing to me, and they tell the guy, she

347
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,360
Speaker 5: is our sister. We want to sing for you can't

348
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 5: come in. But we are the main attraction here. So

349
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 5: that's the choice, and the men respect that, but they

350
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 5: are there.

351
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 1: They do, oh yeah, because I would figure that.

352
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 5: There's in music. There's not none in music. There's no violence.

353
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 5: It's just like this, and then everybody respect each each

354
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 5: person's desire to play the music. They want to play

355
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 5: at that time, and that's what is really interesting. And

356
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 5: it's also a Muslim village and.

357
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: Even now and today like that that is still respected.

358
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 5: Well, you want to go, come with me. I take

359
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 5: you there. You see for yourself.

360
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,239
Speaker 1: When's the last time you you there?

361
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 5: It was three years ago, boss Bill.

362
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 1: When's the last time your boss? One day? Two thousand

363
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: and one, two thousand one.

364
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 5: Okay, So let's go to Benin.

365
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.

366
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 5: From beginning. You gotta go see it.

367
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: Well, I was asking because I think the story that

368
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: was told to me was that when the last slave ship,

369
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: American slave ship, the Clotilda, was gathering their last flock,

370
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: their last cargo of slaves, that there were prisoners. I

371
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: guess they were either there were Nigerians captured in Benin

372
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: or Benin in Nigeria. That part I'm still kind of

373
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: rusty on, but I believe that they were Nigerian captured

374
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: in Benin and it was two hundred of them and

375
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: they were taken to Alabama and then at the last

376
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 1: not at the last minute, because slavery was illegal by

377
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: that point. It's kind of like the the grand great

378
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: great Grandfather's the last sleep he was allowed to start

379
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: his own European practice in Little Africa in Alabama. Have

380
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 1: you got a chance to see that village at all

381
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: or what? It's No.

382
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 5: I've been to Alabama, but I stopped.

383
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 4: I was in.

384
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 5: Birmingham and this is more near Mobile, so I think

385
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 5: I have to go back there. Because I went to

386
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 5: visit the memorial of those young girls in school. It

387
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 5: was it was just a moving moment for me. What

388
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 5: is really sad for me when I go to those

389
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 5: places that we in Africa we got no idea what's

390
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 5: going on, what goes on when people left? We have

391
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 5: no idea, and we are so ignorant about the history

392
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 5: of African American is painful. And I came here in

393
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty seven. I knew very little. I knew a

394
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 5: little bit because I always ask questions, and because music

395
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: has attracted my attention to the fact that they African

396
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 5: people in America, that they are doing the music that

397
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: speaks to me that I can bring to the traditional musician.

398
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 5: It's the funniest thing ever. I brought James Brown in

399
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 5: the middle of my village. Their group on it, man

400
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 5: is just like how you go, what the hell? They

401
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 5: don't understand nothing. They're going to say, love back, come blind.

402
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: They played. I'm like, oh tru damn, what is that?

403
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 5: It was even groovier than James Brown's stuff. So I'm like,

404
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 5: we have so much in common, yet the job of

405
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 5: brainwashing us and dividing us has been done so smartly

406
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 5: that we keep believing the people that enslave us what

407
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 5: they tell us is the truth. I have a different

408
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 5: take on this because I grew up with my both

409
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 5: grandmother died over one hundred years and the first time

410
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 5: I heard the World's slave, I'm what is that? I

411
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 5: was nine years old because my brother taught himself to

412
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 5: play guitar. But I listened to all the guitar players

413
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 5: and he was a huge fan of Jimi Hendrix, and

414
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: he was born bold and he never had any hair.

415
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 5: So one day the axis of love what that?

416
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: That's what that?

417
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: I don't come home. I'm like, this guy is Penniees.

418
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: But how are you hearing that? You thought he was?

419
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 5: You think that, yeah, he was playing. My brother was

420
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 5: playing the guitar. He put a freaking Afro week on.

421
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 5: I said, you don't need any Afro week to play

422
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 5: the guitar. Man, But what the hell is going on?

423
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: He said, I'm gonna look like that guy and sound

424
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 5: like him. I said, yeah, that guy, by the way,

425
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 5: he's African. He's Bennie. What is language he is snaking in?

426
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 5: And he goes, he's not Beniese, he's African American. I

427
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 5: was nine years old. I look at him. I said,

428
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 5: I might be nine, dude, I ain't stupid. You can't

429
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 5: be African American at the same time. And then he said, yes,

430
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: you can't. I said, no, you're lying to me. He

431
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 5: said no, he's a slave descender. I said, what is

432
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 5: the slave? What is a descendant? He goes, you don't what?

433
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 5: Because my nickname in my family went white? How I

434
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 5: asked so much question every elderly people. As soon as

435
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 5: I come into the video, they go sh everybody just

436
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 5: gat around. So he said, go ask Grammar. So I

437
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 5: went and asked my grandma. My grandma started telling me

438
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 5: the story of slavery. I'm like, who she's mad because

439
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: I never member. My mom and dad always used to advestment.

440
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 5: One thing that repeated every day to us is that

441
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 5: a human being is not a matter of color. Do

442
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 5: not come back to this house and say you felt

443
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 5: because you're black, because that's the day you're gonna see

444
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 5: our hands. Because they never let raise the hand on us.

445
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 5: I'm like, why they say that. I grew up in

446
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 5: such a protected, loving, musical, cultural place where the house

447
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 5: was open to everybody. Today you go to cotton and

448
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 5: you say you're my friend. My mom said, come on,

449
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 5: this is the room, it's sleep. That's how my parents are.

450
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 5: They don't have any kind of fear about any other

451
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 5: human being. So for me, when I I arrived in

452
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: France and started hearing all those racist slur I was like,

453
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 5: what does this thing come from? I never felt like that,

454
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 5: And even the story of slavery, for me, it was

455
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 5: not true. I did not believe in it until I

456
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: turned fifteen and I said Winnie Mandela on TV talking

457
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 5: about Nelson Mandela and Jail Path, and I was sitting

458
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 5: in the living room and I turned around. For the

459
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 5: first time in my life, I start cursing at my

460
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 5: parents and insulted them. Think I've never done, and they

461
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 5: were just like, take a back you were. I was mad,

462
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 5: I say, you are liars, you're lying to me. That

463
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 5: Suddenly I realized that I've been I've been living believing

464
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 5: that my skin color was not going to be any

465
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 5: liability for me. Ever, that everywhere I go in the world,

466
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 5: I'll be I'll be welcome with open arms. And then

467
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 5: I'm not far from where I live, people are still

468
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: on their apathet and what so, and I just go crazy,

469
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: literally go crazy. I was sobbing so much, and I

470
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 5: walk into my room, slam the door, and I stay

471
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 5: in that room for two three hours, and I come out.

472
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 5: I said to my dad, I wrote a song, and

473
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 5: I was still crying. My father said, let us hear it.

474
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 5: So I start singing the song. And I finished the song,

475
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: and my father said to me, well, I understand you,

476
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: mad I understand, and you said, whatever feeling you have tonight,

477
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 5: I get it. But one thing I have to tell you,

478
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: you never, as a musician praise hate nor violence. What

479
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 5: you're saying not gonna go on my house. You're never

480
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: gonna sing that song unless, as an artist, you realize

481
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: that your role is to build bridges, to hold the

482
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: kid to a closed door for people to come together,

483
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 5: because it's a gift that is given to you with love,

484
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 5: not with hate. Unless you go back in that room

485
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 5: that you come from and rewrite this song and think

486
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 5: about what that anger can be turned to into positive,

487
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 5: what strength it can give you, what you think the

488
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 5: future can look like, and you rewrite the song. If

489
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: you don't do that, you know what I'm gonna sing

490
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: under my roof anymore. So I went back and I

491
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: rewrite the song, and it becomes for me to be

492
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: able to live with it an anthem of peace, where

493
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 5: I said in that song, the song comes out everywhere

494
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: the same way the bird flies in the sky, the

495
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: same way. There's no frontchier's no color. Wherever they go,

496
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: they go free. And I'm dreaming of the world where

497
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 5: we all, as human being we can move around free

498
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: with no fear that I'm dreaming of the world where

499
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 5: it's not there will never be anymore ever oppressor or

500
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 5: oppressed people. My father said, now I like that song,

501
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 5: you can sing it.

502
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: So you're saying at that moment when you saw Winniam Anddella,

503
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: you were fifteen years old.

504
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: This time, so it called my life bar It's like

505
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 5: two costmos come together. So suddenly what my grandmother's told

506
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: to me, I'm like, it's kind of the same thing.

507
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: So were you not aware of what was going on

508
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: next door in Nigeria with what failure I was doing

509
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: with his music.

510
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 5: And oh yeah, fella, yes, I knew what I mean

511
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: when I was a teenager. I knew because when Zombie

512
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 5: come out first of all, when first Fellows Fellas music started,

513
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: it was a kind of revolution, a huge revolution because

514
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: for me, for years, the music that was coming from

515
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: Nigeria was fuji music and juju music, and we were

516
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 5: like dring and we were like you know, benez Obey,

517
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 5: we were all dancing on that music and juju music.

518
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 5: I mean most I just like dancing it. And then

519
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: fella comes in and it was come ona, come Ona.

520
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: So it sounded radical to you at the time.

521
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: Oh man, I like it because the first song I

522
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: heard was open and close. We drave our parents crazy

523
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 5: because we invented so nasty dance. I tell you, even

524
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: how what we're doing it, you're not gonna listen to

525
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 5: that music anymore if you don't like that. We're like, yeah, right,

526
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: as soon as you go to work, we're gonna call it.

527
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 5: Crank it up and then move body and open it up.

528
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 5: I mean's just like chrisy. And then it gave us

529
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: as a younger freedom of making our own music, music

530
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 5: on top of it and dancing it because we see

531
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: it fella dancers dancing. We were like, it was an

532
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 5: eye opening for me as a young girl, what you

533
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 5: can do with music, how you can empower people with

534
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 5: music too. Then he wrote the song zombie mm hmm,

535
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 5: because I always you to go back and forth on

536
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 5: vacation in Nigeria, because I have part of my family

537
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 5: in Nigeria. So we arrive in Legos one day and

538
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 5: my auntie said, you come in that house, you close

539
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: the door, you don't go out. I'm like, Auntie, we

540
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: gotta go see the other cousins as you are living

541
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: this house. What's going on me? I'm curious that care

542
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 5: you tell me no or be it? Oh, you better

543
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: wait for something that's gonna happen to you. And I

544
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 5: know all the way to sneak out of that house

545
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 5: because all my cousins or this ship we do the

546
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: presid don't see. So they were sitting in the living

547
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: room out there. We get into the street. Oh my god.

548
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 5: The house of my auntie was not far from the shoe,

549
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 5: not far from the shine where all the taxi comes to.

550
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: And all those people were there and then you see

551
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: the military out there, and it was working from the military.

552
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: So I'm being talk unless you tell them to talk

553
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 5: to their fast like this, and they would chase their

554
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: deby running. And at one point I'm like, you don't

555
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: leave here, They're gonna kick you. And then at that

556
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: time my mom realized I was no longer serious, screaming

557
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: in my name, your father gonna kill me. Man, something

558
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 5: happened to this child. And I came by. He said,

559
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: why are you? I said, I didn't go to know,

560
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 5: I went to the toilet. I didn't go anywhere. I

561
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: just went to the toilet, really, I says, more and

562
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 5: I was colored with us. So what was the toilet?

563
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 5: I said. We went to the next labor there because

564
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 5: somebody was in the toilet. Way, just we make up

565
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 5: your mind makes up because you're gonna get a slap

566
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 5: on your head. So fella, that's what fella did. And

567
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 5: also by me growing up listening to me and Makay.

568
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: But but when she came here, I was eight years old.

569
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: What I was with my mom. They have a group

570
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: of women asking for women to write to vote to

571
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: decide who they're gonna marry. No more arranged marriage. And

572
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: I was eight when I'll be singing the retreat song

573
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 5: of Miriam Makayba with them because they're like, we can't

574
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: saying when you're from in front, you're singing, everybody stop

575
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 5: and listening to our message. Just keep on singing. That's

576
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: I was sitting in the front. I don't understand nothing

577
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: about what they were saying. I'm like, I'm not doing

578
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: my homework. I'm here having fun. I'm singing. That's it.

579
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: I'll be singing and then I start having that political

580
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: conscience actually about what you can do with music for

581
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: people to empower people first and to make people aware

582
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: of what is going on because the menus, most of

583
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: the time, what they're telling the man not be the truth.

584
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: So fell off Miriam, Aritha Franklin, Didna Simon. They were

585
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: the women musically that opened my eyes to a lot

586
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: of things.

587
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: How how would American artists in the seventies, uh, trickle

588
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: to the culture in Africa? Like was there and was

589
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: there a radio station.

590
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: Or the radio? I mean our radio was playing every music.

591
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: I mean it was the I'm talking about it now

592
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: and then looking back, I'm like, I didn't even realize

593
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 5: how revolutionary It was at that time before the communist

594
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: regime arrived and say no more music from outside. I

595
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: mean they would do a traditional music program and then

596
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: right after there they would go to chuck Berry or

597
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: they would go to the Rolling Stones, or they'll go

598
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: to the Beatles, or they go to Amazing Grass from

599
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 5: as Afroncan to Crazy. For me towards the norm, it

600
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 5: was okay, it was really what it is and those music.

601
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: I was listening to them home because my brother they

602
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 5: have a musical band. Way before the playlist moved. They

603
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: started and my father bought the instrument for them. The

604
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 5: first time I saw a drum kid and far fista organ,

605
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: the bass, a guitar, percussion. It was because my father

606
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 5: bought the instrument. The boxes eat outside and I come

607
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 5: from school. I started booking myself. I'm and when they

608
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 5: opened everything, I sat down the rehearsal room looking at

609
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: the drum kid, going is it one person that played

610
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: out or two?

611
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: No?

612
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 5: One person? I said, how many arms?

613
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Wait? How many? How many siblings do you have in

614
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: the family?

615
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 5: We are ten, seven boys and three girls. And where

616
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 5: do you fall seven?

617
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: You're the seventh child, and I have three brothers.

618
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 5: After me.

619
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so I said that now I don't want

620
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: to sound like the ignorant Americans.

621
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 5: Who let me tell you African, let me tell you

622
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 5: how Aretha Franklin has impacted.

623
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Save me.

624
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 5: Thank you all of those. I mean. There was a

625
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: period of LPs and some LP will come with two

626
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: songs and some some will come all the whole song,

627
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 5: and I just get my brother's I drive them nuts.

628
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, can you get any LP out in this

629
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 5: house that have some women on the cover. I'm sick

630
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 5: and title seeing boys on the covers, man boys band

631
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 5: from CONSI to two, my jesty here and this there,

632
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: they're no woman that does music. And my brother said,

633
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: you better start bringing some city in the LP here

634
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 5: with women, because this little girl, you're gonna break all

635
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 5: this stuff down. So they start bringing the French female singer.

636
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, okay, I take that. Why's there any

637
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 5: black women playing? Right? And a friend of them come

638
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 5: from New York, from America and brought amazing grace of

639
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 5: Aretha Frances I was not home where the album came in.

640
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 5: The singer of the band of my brother. His ego

641
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 5: can't even fit here, he said. I can't sing anything.

642
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 5: I'm the best singer in the world. I'm like, I

643
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: would look at me and yeah, sometimes you sing off key,

644
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: but I'm a little ger. I can't say that right.

645
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: So I came back from school and they were having

646
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 5: that hitting discussion because my brother wanted to do some

647
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 5: of the song of the Amazing and the guy said,

648
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: that woman singing, sit crazy me. I can't sing that.

649
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 5: I'm like, huh, a woman. I'm going to see that me, mister,

650
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 5: I know everything. Oh, I'm going to find out who's

651
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 5: whooping his boat right there. And I grabbed the city

652
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: from the table, and I from the first time I saw,

653
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 5: I read the frank and I'm like, thank you, sister,

654
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 5: you whooping this guy's board. I like it so much

655
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 5: I can't even scream up enough. And then I sat

656
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: and I looked at him and said, and I said

657
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 5: to him and said, don't you sing everything? He said,

658
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: why you know about singing? I said, I can't sing better?

659
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 5: Now you are to him my brother, I said, shut up,

660
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 5: because my daughter, my brother always telling him, come and

661
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 5: listen to the note sometime you're And he said, but

662
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 5: she's the woman. What woman knows how to sing? This

663
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: one is just screaming. I said, no, she is screaming,

664
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 5: she's singing, and you can't. He was so mad and

665
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: did that day my brother said he didn't come for

666
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: the two revers of that. I'm like, well, you know

667
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 5: that he can't sing, I said, but you can't say

668
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 5: everything that you think. I mean, you have flitted a

669
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 5: little bit.

670
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: I said, was her singer? Was he okay?

671
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: He was the lead singer?

672
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: Or was he okay? Was he a good singer?

673
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: No?

674
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 5: He wasn't. Impersonator. That's the different thing singing. And because

675
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 5: he likes to do James Brown with the cape with

676
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 5: the thing and he come up, that guy's stupid, man.

677
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 5: I mean they play what they played, they have red

678
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 5: clean on the floor. He were white or white James Brown.

679
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 5: And I'm like one day and I was like looking

680
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: at him and said, this guy is just a fool.

681
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: And he did the what do you call that? Splitting

682
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: the pango on direct. I'm loving this.

683
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: He's idea on what's happened? I feel it.

684
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 5: Well, that's the gold man that you're gonna take some.

685
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you I know how much that that album

686
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: means to you? Have you ever been fortunate enough to

687
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: see the documentary that Sidney No No, No, No, No,

688
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: The The The Amazing Grace. So basically Sidney Pollack directed

689
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: had eight cameras on her at the whole time. The

690
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: funniest part of that documentary is the fact that the

691
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: rolling Stones are the deacons. Like there's a scene where

692
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: like Mick uh, the drummer, Charlie Watts Keith and the

693
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: bass player, Yeah, Brian Jones, Uh, McK taylor, the bill

694
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, they like the church is in like

695
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: the hood of south central Los Angeles, and and then

696
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: you see the rolling Stones get out of like a

697
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: rolls voice limousine and they're ushered and flanked them between

698
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: like the deacons on the side of the choir, and

699
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, I saw a good ten minutes

700
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: of this. A friend of ours, a friend of the show,

701
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: Matthew uh has the complete movie. What oh yeah, Okay,

702
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't know he has the complete movie. But for

703
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: the longest, for some reason, uh Aretha keeps uh these

704
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: injunctions from stopping it from being shown. It was supposed

705
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: to be shown on its on its fortieth anniversary at

706
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: cons Film Festival, but even at the very last minute,

707
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: right before they were about to like press the thing

708
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: like a judge in Juckson came through and like prevent it.

709
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: I guess there's she gets last rites options. So for

710
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: some reason, not obviously it's money or you know, she

711
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: doesn't want that footage to be seen. So, but it's

712
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: the ten minutes I saw some of the most life changing,

713
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: probably the best footage of any seventies act I've ever seen.

714
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: And this includes like watching Michael Jackson do the robot.

715
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 5: And so, I mean, she's great, that's I mean, she's

716
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 5: the ultimate. I mean she she's just there's no words.

717
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: Have you met her?

718
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 5: Oh yeah. We did a show at Radio City Hall

719
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: for Nelson Mandela's birthday and the lineup was intimidating. She

720
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 5: sung right after Steve Wonder and Alicia Kiss and myself

721
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 5: were to go right beef after Aretha and my husband

722
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 5: was sweating, going, how are you gonna do this? I'm

723
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 5: like a man, She's giving me the back tone and

724
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 5: I'm taking it. We're putting flame on that tone. Man,

725
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 5: even light up the place.

726
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: I was about to say you, I can't even imagine,

727
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: like your your show is so high powered, and so

728
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: I I can't imagine you being stopped or I am

729
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: getting nervous about anything, and starts struggling.

730
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 5: She sings, I mean because she's such a good singer,

731
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 5: she's such a great performer. She has something that is

732
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: if it's not given to you by nature, as no

733
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: way you can be like that. You know, the people

734
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 5: said they have it and they're wasted, don't know how

735
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 5: to use it. She's in control of every part of

736
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 5: her body in that voice. Every word that comes out

737
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 5: of the mouth of Aretha, it doesn't come out because

738
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 5: it can't come out. It just come out before it

739
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 5: has to as to. So when she finished and she goes, Halleluiah,

740
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 5: I'm like, hallelujah. I mean, I'm coming, man, and I

741
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: look as Alicia said, girlfriend, are you ready? She goes,

742
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: let's go kill it, and we walk on. That's taking bamn.

743
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Wow. It inspired you.

744
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: I inspired us, both of us so much. We look

745
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 5: at each other. We're singing this song differently, because when

746
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 5: you come after somebody like that, you don't want to

747
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 5: shame her. You want to shine, to prove to her

748
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 5: that everything she does we admire, and then we're gonna

749
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: continue doing it with the continuation of whatever she gave

750
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 5: us to person.

751
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: So that's it. That's very noble, because I know a

752
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: lot of people would just be like, nope, I'm gonna

753
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ld you.

754
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: And music is not competition for me if you're there

755
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 5: to do competition, if you're not there to empower people.

756
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: My mother used to say phrase to me for years.

757
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 5: I'm like, what did she mean? It took me years.

758
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 5: One day I was about to go and stay in

759
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 5: Boston a Somerville theater. And as I was getting because

760
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 5: till then, even though my show are really great and everything,

761
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 5: I used to be a little bit stressed before I

762
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 5: go on stage. And as I was staying on the

763
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 5: wing of the stage before I go on stage, I

764
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 5: heard that voice of my mother saying, before you set

765
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 5: a foot on the stage, you have to be able

766
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 5: to think of yourself and be naked spiritually. And then

767
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 5: suddenly it hits me. It hits me like bell I

768
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: walk on that stage, no fear, my feet barely touched

769
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 5: the ground. I'm like, I'm free, no more fear. I'm

770
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: never gonna be afraid of going on stage because what

771
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 5: she means by that is that you are not on stage,

772
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 5: you look at your belly button and how beautiful your

773
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 5: dress is or what if you wear is. You are

774
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 5: there to be humble at the service of the music

775
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 5: and the song that you are doing, to be able

776
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: to open yourself to the public. The more open you are,

777
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 5: the more you give, the more you get. And from

778
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 5: the moment I understood that it transformed completely in my life.

779
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 5: And what amazes me is people that come back and say,

780
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 5: you never can see what we see when your show

781
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: is over. When we are walking the street with people,

782
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 5: the smile they have on their face is just like

783
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: you can't even put in the bottle. I don't think

784
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: about it when I'm on stage. My stage is my sanctuary.

785
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: My stage is my heaven on earth. And I always

786
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: tell my musician, if you have an issue, check it

787
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 5: on the garbage before you work on that stage. It'll

788
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 5: be waiting for you can pick it up when you

789
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 5: come up. When you come on my page, you make

790
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 5: faces you don't know me. I don't have to talk

791
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 5: and look at you men, and you know you don't

792
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: do it right. You can leave if you don't like it,

793
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 5: you can go. No one is indispensable, and even not me.

794
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 5: So when we are on stage. What we do, we artists,

795
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: is to play to entertain and at the same time

796
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: knowing because we don't know that we are empowering people.

797
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 5: And that's what we do the best. That's why music

798
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 5: specifically and arts in general are the first thing that dictator, dictators,

799
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 5: auto returning regime the target. Because we set people three,

800
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 5: we tell people what time it is. We give them

801
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: the strength to go in the street in march, to

802
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 5: speak out the mind. And I don't want that. Do

803
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: you remember any speech of JFK. As smart as he is,

804
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 5: You don't martinly thinking we love him, but we remember

805
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 5: phrases of his. But songs you listen to from sixty

806
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 5: to seventies, you tick and sing them?

807
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Is it true? That?

808
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: Right?

809
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: That's the power of music right there?

810
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember your very first performance on the stage?

811
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus, how long ago was? I was six years old.

812
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 5: My mom have a theater group till today. She's the

813
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: only woman in West Africa that has had such a

814
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: large theatre group ever. And she wrote the piece. She

815
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 5: did everything by herself. She learned how to do lighting,

816
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: she does the costume everything. It was her passion. So

817
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: a little girl in the theater group of my mother

818
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 5: that sing a song that I knew before she started

819
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 5: saying it, and I knew every part of the piece.

820
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 5: And I will tell my mom why I'm not the

821
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 5: one singing it. And my Mama, is that because you

822
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: ain't playing the part? I said, what is? What does

823
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 5: mean playing the part? She said? Can you shut up?

824
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 5: Then I finish what I'm doing. I'm like, every time

825
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: you don't want to answer me, I have to shut up.

826
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna ask the question tomorrow and the day

827
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: after tomorrow.

828
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Every day I see why they called you? Why now

829
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: shoot man?

830
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 5: Oh geez. And then every time there's a player, I'm

831
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 5: gonna just to piece her off. I'll be messing up

832
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 5: with the costumes because she has nobody. So see, after

833
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 5: seeing she would put this mixed them. And then one

834
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 5: day the girl had malaria crisis something like that.

835
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: So I am you didn't you?

836
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 5: I was trying the costume. She came and dragged me

837
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 5: by my feet and say, come on, you want to sing? No,

838
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 5: this is your turn, come and sing. I said, no,

839
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 5: I ain't singing. She goes, yeah, you swinging. No I'm not, Yes,

840
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 5: you're singing. She put the dress on me, and I

841
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 5: swear she shoved me that stage. She shoved me literally

842
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 5: on the light. For the first time, I realized I

843
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: have a skeleton. She was looking at me like this

844
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 5: in the wings you want to play the fart. Thank

845
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: God for me. There only one light in that theater.

846
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: The spotlight was right on my face. I can't see nobody.

847
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 5: People know in my I'm the clown. Two hours making jokes,

848
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 5: cracking up jokes, and people start laughing. I'm like, oh,

849
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 5: they ain't seeing me. I can do my thing as

850
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: I do, and I sing and I stopped singing. Or

851
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 5: whom yeahdy sound on that old beth Man Joe Man

852
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: wag bed yeah yeah, boon dilla, I go thrown. Oh

853
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 5: I means he whom yeah, I tell you, I try

854
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 5: home so her bear door d who I g there? Well,

855
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 5: y'all boom got gone, boom tha gone, lady or me

856
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 5: and my child file o chow. When y'all are you

857
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 5: throw away Jude ju boom chair, y'all all we bore

858
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 5: Lord Donnie throw away it up?

859
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: Chow?

860
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 5: When y'all are you throw away y'all?

861
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 4: All? Hell?

862
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 5: Or who's up bad? When my child who he had

863
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 5: me and I alway coy man oh, I means he

864
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 5: who Yeah, I tell you, I try home. So her

865
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 5: beard door d who I wear the way and I finished.

866
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: I just.

867
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: Run upstairs and my mama was like this. I said, Mama,

868
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: how did he go? She just shaking her head. I'm

869
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: not gonna take this off my head. I took it

870
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 5: food dive back to the COSTU.

871
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: Wait, you didn't wait to see if the audience applauded.

872
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 5: In a version, I was gone and I'll come back,

873
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 5: I said, I'm going back there.

874
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: There. So I have to ask you said that most

875
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: of the that was in six eight what you were clapping,

876
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: So was that typical of the rhythms.

877
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 5: That's typical of the rhythm form my village?

878
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: But also that's like a backwards clave, like a backwards

879
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: rumblave that's in six eight. It depends on how you

880
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: hear it, because that's the other thing. It's like you're

881
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: thinking about it, like, where does your one line? What

882
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: she was just singing, can you sing it again?

883
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: Where's one? Yeah? You got so, where's your One's not there?

884
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 5: It's not there.

885
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing.

886
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's like the perception of where one is

887
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: is a completely different thing, and that you have to

888
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: completely abandon all of that.

889
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: Oh, so she could easily join the roots because nobody know.

890
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, she join like that, abandon the one a

891
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: band with no one.

892
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think the thing that he's right

893
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: about that because my husband and I we've been working

894
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: together forever with Marrid for twenty thirty one years, and

895
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: the first time we met, he knew nothing about African music,

896
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: nothing at all. He just listened to Van der Graff

897
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 5: or whatever he tried to I'm not your music. If

898
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 5: you're not diad me, this is not a kind of music.

899
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 5: Don't be playing the actually for me. I want something else.

900
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 5: So I start in teaching him traditional music, and when

901
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 5: he started listening to it, it transformed completely his life.

902
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 5: And when we went to be in nineteen ninety five,

903
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 5: I always tell him, forget to count, don't count. If

904
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 5: you go to Africa, you coun't you you're out of

905
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 5: the door.

906
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: It's like it's part of the bottom. It's feeling. Yeah,

907
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: So when you do it.

908
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 5: Like a drummer right now, so bad you can't No,

909
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 5: you can't just play, just play.

910
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, but half sciences.

911
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, well in sciences, wait, you know what the drums

912
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 5: and the music in Africa, they are coded their cycle

913
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 5: all the time. Like you're playing, somebody's playing the clavet

914
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 5: the person stand up and go pee. Somebody coming black

915
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 5: there because he knows where his body is. I mean,

916
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 5: it's such you gotta feel it in your body. And

917
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 5: that's why when I'm dancing, I can't be dancing six

918
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 5: eight and doing any rhythm on top of it because

919
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 5: the one I don't count. It's just my body that

920
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 5: I follow. So I mean, when we start doing this

921
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 5: field trip recording songs and music everywhere, that's when he

922
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 5: realized exactly what I was saying versus village in my

923
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 5: village where I come from, the village where my father

924
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: come from, is the village where you have the gate

925
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: of No returns, the memorial that have been built by

926
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 5: the President Soglu that no one wants, especially not the

927
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: French wanted, because he said, we cannot be in denial

928
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: of this country's past. Slavery have happened here and we

929
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 5: have no memorial for it, and we need to build

930
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 5: place for that, and not far from the beach where

931
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: they take the slave, where you have the Gate of

932
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 5: no Return. We have a village that belonged to us

933
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 5: that it's called as is a que mm hm and

934
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: you only can get that that by both little boats

935
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 5: because it's between mangroves and swamps. And you have a

936
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 5: kind of island that that village is. And in that

937
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 5: village one of the rhythms of my family is made

938
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 5: of How can I explain this? I would say, a

939
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 5: symphony of cowbell. You have carver that I high like this.

940
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: You have big one all the way to the small one,

941
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 5: and there are like that big sound playing right and

942
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: you have two drums in the middle of it. Okay,

943
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: I can. I'm visualized. I have the sound of it

944
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: in the in the computer and you look at the

945
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 5: pro tools. It's is the craziest thing ever. Everybody is

946
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 5: sharp on time. It's crazy. The wave I like. And

947
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 5: then I tell him, I tell you, don't count. He said,

948
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 5: how do they do that?

949
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: So you're saying, without counting, they're somehow in sync with

950
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: each other because.

951
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 5: We live together, we breathe that we were born in it.

952
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 5: It's like, for example, I give you an example another

953
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: example in the northern part of Bennie, where the rhythm

954
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 5: is completely different from the southern part. Okay. There's the

955
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 5: rhythm that is called teke alke is a rhythm okay,

956
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 5: and it's played like two drum in the front and

957
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 5: stick along like that. There can be eighty of them

958
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 5: singing and dancing. And when the rhythms split it up right,

959
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: they'll go. They're dance and they're dancing. They're not looking

960
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 5: at each other, and they all coming. They clack, they

961
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 5: all the stick come together. You have one sound, no fla.

962
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: You want a comparison, I think what it is, it's

963
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: like everything is by feel in the same way. What

964
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: you're known for is like when you play with d

965
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: and like you're never on the beat right these things.

966
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: He's always behind the beat. And it's a feeling that

967
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: you feel that you're famous for that this is your ship.

968
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: You're on the back side of the beat. It's a feeling.

969
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: So is this.

970
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: It's exactly the same thing. It's just like you're born

971
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: and you're born into your father was a drummer. I

972
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: can't make you could try a mathematical sense of this.

973
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: You could try to and people have done it, like

974
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: like scholars who go to Africa to study of the music,

975
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: They're like, this is.

976
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Alan Lomec's been around the villages.

977
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 5: But the thing is, you studied that and you write

978
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 5: it down. When you played, it's not the.

979
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: Same, right, And when they would look at it and

980
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: be like, who that What the hell is that, it's

981
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: like it's like twelve a versus six eight, because that's

982
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: the thing.

983
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: It's like she's saying, it's it's a six, but it's

984
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't read it but in my head. And now

985
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. When she said that, I

986
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if only because I've spent meticulous

987
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: amounts of time, like decades of having inner clock in

988
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: my head when I'm drumming. I don't even know if

989
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: I can drum without the inner monologue.

990
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 5: You can, you can.

991
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: The other thing that you're not getting is that you

992
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: should comment on this is that is that often it's

993
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: tied to the dance, and so like more often than not,

994
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: the drumming is tied to the dance. So where they

995
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: are stressing certain beats is where they feel it. So

996
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't have anything to do per se. Yeah, the

997
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: accents a lot of times come.

998
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 5: From But the thing is, when we start playing for example,

999
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 5: it's let me set it for we are. For some reason,

1000
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 5: it's always a circle, and I never understand why it is,

1001
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 5: but that's the way it is, right only in the

1002
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 5: nov that you have lines like that, but people stand

1003
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 5: like that. The teka is one san louis another one

1004
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 5: sinan louis something they put on the feet all the

1005
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 5: way up here and then they do the rhythm and

1006
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 5: it is not it's like that, all of them and

1007
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 5: it's one sound. Okay, So here it is when you

1008
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 5: are in Africa and in the middle of these things

1009
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 5: you have been you haven't been taught to think about counting.

1010
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: It's just you. You, you breathe it. It's you're born

1011
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 5: in it, and you don't ask the question at all.

1012
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 5: So for me, since I've been a little girl, I

1013
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 5: have been always exposed to that rhythm. So this is

1014
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 5: how we start. We come together. We start playing. You

1015
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 5: have the cowbell, you have the drums, you have people

1016
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: that claps, you have people that saying. So you start

1017
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 5: playing back to to go back to, back to, back

1018
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: to come back to good, to come back to good,

1019
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: to go back to good. And then you have the

1020
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 5: dancer coming. And then he said the drummer, the principal drummer.

1021
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 5: He takes his cue from the feet of the guy.

1022
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: When he starts going to it's changed in me that

1023
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 5: it's the same rhythm, but it's completely brings brought somewhere

1024
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 5: because the guy he can decide to this slowly in

1025
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 5: that he can everything changes.

1026
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: Wow, some people are born with it and maybe it's

1027
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe it is my mind is yo. I knew I

1028
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: was going to learn something, but damn I didn't. You

1029
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: gotta come to mean, I gotta smoke weed. I think.

1030
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: I think when you have a lot of thoughts in

1031
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: your head, and you know, being a sober guy, that

1032
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: I am like, I'm almost thinking that I have to

1033
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: clear Like even if I wanted to clear my mind,

1034
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: like there's no amount of meditation that will ever not

1035
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: make me think.

1036
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's okay. So that's what a music is about.

1037
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: Is counting overthink it or underthinking it or constricting. I

1038
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: think the lesson I'm learning now is that counting is

1039
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: overthinking it.

1040
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: But that's just how you were taught, how you were born,

1041
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: and like that's what you came up in. And he

1042
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: she's saying that hers is completely different.

1043
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 5: And what you counting. I can't do it too without

1044
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 5: any problem. Why I don't read music and I can

1045
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 5: play with classical orchestra. I mean I did a piece.

1046
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 5: I wrote a piece with Philip Glass based on three

1047
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 5: poem that I gave to him, the mythology of the

1048
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 5: creation of the world. I calld it the Yoruba. So

1049
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 5: the first piece is Lodu Malus, the second one is Yamanja,

1050
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 5: and the third one is the Shumrie. And knowing Philip Glass,

1051
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 5: he changes from five to four to five six, and

1052
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 5: then you sang it. So I memorize it. I memorized

1053
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 5: the whole thing in my dream. You whake me up.

1054
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 5: I go straight for it because you developed that memorization

1055
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 5: in the wound of your mom. You remember songs that

1056
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 5: you never even know that it has been played because

1057
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 5: you have heard it. So for me, I memor memorize everything.

1058
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: Everything that has to be memorized is in my head,

1059
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 5: all the music I listen to, For example, when American

1060
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 5: music starts coming to my house. I don't speak in English.

1061
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 5: I mean I was speaking. I mean pigin from Nigeria.

1062
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 5: I mean proper English. I mean I don't know what

1063
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 5: that is, but I make up my own words and

1064
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 5: it feeds perfectly. That's how I start. When I create songs,

1065
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 5: I create world like my tonga is the world that

1066
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 5: doesn't exist in my language, doesn't exist. I just come

1067
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 5: up with that because it it feels right, and it

1068
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 5: describes something that I've seen that I can't put any

1069
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 5: word in it because the world doesn't exist. And for me,

1070
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 5: when I'm inspired, there's no limit. I don't care if

1071
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 5: it works or not. I just put it there. So

1072
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 5: for I grew up in such a rhythmic surrounding. The

1073
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 5: language phone is the language of the Amazon. It has

1074
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 5: no It's like somebody is just hitting you. Urubi is

1075
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 5: like I wanaoady bo I waaoady bo. Hey reck no

1076
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 5: the phone h That's what I was seen before, all

1077
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. So you gotta be so tight.

1078
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 5: I have prefered rhythm, and you move me. I look

1079
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 5: at you like I'm moving from here because I know

1080
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 5: he's right, because that's what it is.

1081
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: So is westernize basic four four rhythm sort of look

1082
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: down upon and.

1083
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 5: The four four you have it in everything, the sixth

1084
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 5: eight you have the four four.

1085
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: But I've just been something like okay, So when Billy

1086
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: Jean first comes across the pond as a song. And

1087
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to separate the presence and the

1088
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: artist that is Michael Jackson, separate from the song. But

1089
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: is that seeing as something that's just basic boom cat

1090
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: boom cat boom cat boom cat.

1091
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 5: Bo You know? You know what though, it's not the

1092
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 5: boom cat boom boom that's that appear appeal to the

1093
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 5: African people.

1094
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: It's the space in between.

1095
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 5: No, it's the basics, dom doom. The bass always sings.

1096
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 5: You're never gonna hear any music in Africa the best

1097
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 5: going boom boom, boom boom. People gonna go, what the

1098
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 5: hell is wrong? You just was saying, Man sing that

1099
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 5: make up based thing and the thing that it's really

1100
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 5: interesting to me. I never realized that till I started

1101
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 5: writing music with my husband and one of the bass

1102
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 5: line because I can't play the bass, but I can

1103
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 5: sing it for you. And I can't play the drums,

1104
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 5: but I can sing it for you. So that's how

1105
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 5: I write my song so Very a song that we

1106
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 5: wrote on the album I that had been produced by

1107
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 5: David c in Presley Park, and it's called a Manja

1108
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 5: Hey David, go what is that baseline? I said, if

1109
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 5: you start counting one, two, three, you don't, you're not

1110
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 5: gonna get it. So he was the one playing, So

1111
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 5: I come up as I was singing the song or

1112
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 5: your fair fair fair ojo. Go on, let me hell

1113
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 5: jr fair fair fair ojo. Go on, let mell jr

1114
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 5: fa fa fat ojo. Come on, let me lo ojo fair.

1115
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,479
Speaker 5: You best go the bass, go, don't do do doom, doom, do, don't,

1116
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 5: don't d doom, dumb, don't do, don't, don't, don't, damn do, don't,

1117
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 5: don't dumb dumb dumb dumb do dum dunn dumb dumb

1118
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 5: dumb dumb do do, don't dumb, don't, don't don't. The

1119
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 5: best is always giving the cue to the percussion and

1120
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 5: the drums. The first go, do do, do, do, don't, don't,

1121
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 5: don't do. Then don't don't doo doo doo do don doom, doom,

1122
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 5: damn doom, dad, don don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't,

1123
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 5: don't d don't, don't, don't don't.

1124
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: I changed it all the time, so it never goes,

1125
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: and it never goes in a loop circle. No old

1126
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: David z as match.

1127
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 5: And it was fun. Because I have fun, I cannot

1128
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 5: be able to dance. I always said, astell, if you

1129
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 5: remove the keyboard and you remove the guitar, you leave

1130
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 5: me the percussion in the drums, I'm cool.

1131
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: That's a drums and bass or that's the key to life.

1132
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: So why did you move? You moved to Paris in

1133
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: the early eighties. What caused your uh? Well?

1134
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 5: I moved to Paris in nineteen eighty three because of

1135
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 5: the communism addicted to shipping benin uh in the seventies.

1136
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 5: When they arrived, my home becomes an open jail. The

1137
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 5: freedom of speech was on because you can't speak. Everybody

1138
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 5: spying on you. My father has been asked to do politics.

1139
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: They say, I don't do politics. I'm a retired from posts.

1140
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 5: I'm a postman. I don't want to sleep with blood

1141
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 5: on my hand. Please, I don't do politics. So therefore

1142
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 5: it created the surrounded of paranoia. The phone what tapped

1143
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 5: or not? The thing is brothers, family has start eating

1144
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 5: at each other and you find yourself in jail. I

1145
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 5: mean because basically they tell you your father have to

1146
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 5: be called comrade, your mom have to be called comrade.

1147
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 5: Everybody have to become comrade. You see anybody on the street,

1148
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 5: you say hey, camera, I'm like, what the hell? And me,

1149
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 5: I've been told by told by my father that I

1150
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 5: can never bring my music to be associated with the

1151
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 5: political party because they come and they go. I have

1152
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 5: to be neutral. All I have to do is just

1153
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 5: be the voice of the voiceless. And every artist in

1154
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 5: being in at that time, all of us have been

1155
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 5: elegantly urge, if it's possible to put it like that,

1156
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 5: to write propaganda song, which I refused to do. So

1157
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 5: it coincided with the release of my first album Pretty.

1158
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 5: So I was trained in West Africa, Cameroons, every coast,

1159
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 5: all different places. I was always able to dodge the

1160
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 5: political gathering where you have have you have to sing too.

1161
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 5: And then one day I was stranding, been in and

1162
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 5: have to do it. And after that I just said

1163
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 5: to my parents, saw me throw it. My father and

1164
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 5: mother said you gotta go because then I'm gonna open

1165
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 5: my mouth and I'm gonna finish my life in jail

1166
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 5: for sure. So it took them one year to plan

1167
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 5: my escape, and we were waiting for a location that

1168
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 5: we'll coincide with that and one of my cousins was

1169
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 5: getting married and she lived close to the airport. So

1170
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 5: my mom and dad has been made the weakness of

1171
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 5: the couple, and that was our our reason to plan this.

1172
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 5: So everybody knew about it in the village, in the

1173
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 5: street where I grew up, because everybody's spine. Our house

1174
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,439
Speaker 5: was already a movie there, because people from every kind

1175
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 5: work of life would come to the house, white, black, yellow, blue,

1176
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 5: whatever color you are, you come to the house. So

1177
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 5: we were we were already it was suspicious before the

1178
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 5: military regime arrived. So the day of the wedding we

1179
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 5: went to the city hall, marriage went to the church,

1180
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 5: and then the evening was the moment where my father

1181
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 5: put the car in the house. I put my my

1182
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 5: evening dress and in the plastic bag I put my

1183
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 5: traveling cool clothes. He put the suitcase in it and

1184
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 5: everybody saw us going to the party. So my flight,

1185
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 5: the flat that I took to live is still lived

1186
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 5: Stilly to Paris eleven fifty five. Still it's still the

1187
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 5: flight still exist. And what happened when the military regime started.

1188
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 5: The military coup was was perpetrated by military that comes

1189
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 5: from north northern Parst so the division comes into the politics.

1190
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 5: So in every powerful position they put the Southerner and

1191
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 5: a Northerner, so they spy on each other. So I walked.

1192
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 5: My father dropped me four so I checked my luggage

1193
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 5: and then I have to go through customs, and I

1194
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 5: was praying because there I can, I will end up

1195
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 5: in jail, because before you leave the country you need

1196
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 5: the authorization of the government. And you said to them,

1197
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 5: when what you're going to do, where you're going, how

1198
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 5: long you're going to be going, and when you're coming back.

1199
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 5: You don't come back. Your parents are the one that

1200
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:49,959
Speaker 5: they put it. They put in jail.

1201
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh where?

1202
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah?

1203
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: Oh man.

1204
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 5: So I didn't have that paper in my passport. So

1205
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 5: I walked to the custom and I saw one of

1206
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 5: the friend of my brother they used to do music with.

1207
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 5: He saw me. He almost have a heart attack. He goes,

1208
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 5: what are you trying to do? You have the authority?

1209
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 5: I said no, He goes, my you one second, you'll

1210
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 5: have the guy here. He just stepped to the toilet.

1211
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 5: Run disappear, just disappear. I didn't see you. I don't

1212
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 5: want to see what. Just go and I ran. I ran,

1213
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 5: So I never run that first in my life. And

1214
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 5: I walked into that plane and dive under the seat

1215
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 5: and crawl down there till the plane take off, and

1216
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 5: pretty much before we learned I came, I came out.

1217
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 5: I was so scared that the police was still there looking.

1218
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: For me, even in Paris. You thought that you weren't

1219
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: safe yet.

1220
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 5: Until I get off and I see my brother, I

1221
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 5: was not safe. Yehad and I walk out. It was

1222
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 5: September eleven, nineteen eighty three, and I saw my brother.

1223
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 5: My brother say, you made it. But for six years straight,

1224
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 5: I couldn't speak to my parents because we didn't know

1225
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 5: my brother and my parents if the phone were tapped.

1226
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 5: So my brother he left from to go so they

1227
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 5: didn't have anything on him. They didn't know when it

1228
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 5: was and then they have a call to speak about

1229
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 5: this or about that. So I arrived in Paris and

1230
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 5: I decided that if I want to do music, I

1231
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 5: want to learn to know. My father told me, whatever

1232
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 5: you choose, if you become a human right lawyer, or

1233
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 5: you become a singer, whatever it is, go to school

1234
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 5: and learn to know your capacity, were your strength, and

1235
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 5: your weakness to be a better person. I want you

1236
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 5: to so I start going to music school, and I

1237
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 5: spent a trimester at the university to learn a little

1238
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 5: bit about law, and I realized at that point the

1239
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 5: law don't serve justice, and if you want to be

1240
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 5: a human right lawyer, you have to study politics. I'm like,

1241
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 5: it's too much for me. I don't want to go there.

1242
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna focus on singing. And my first year

1243
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 5: in France, oh my god, I cried every day. People

1244
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 5: were so races. I'm like a crazy man, and and

1245
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 5: I was. For the first time. I take vocal class

1246
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 5: because I never had any vocal teacher, and the teacher

1247
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 5: was like, I come from the classical school of Italy,

1248
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 5: so you're gonna I'm like whatever. As long as I

1249
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 5: know how to do scales, I'm started. And that's when

1250
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 5: people start telling me all this crazy stuff. They come

1251
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 5: one day, some two or three of them, the same guys,

1252
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 5: the stupid guys. They come and say, so, actually, tell us,

1253
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 5: how do you go do your groceries? How do you

1254
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 5: go to the market there? You have cars or you

1255
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 5: go on the back of elephants. I say yes, and

1256
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 5: then the wings of the monkeys.

1257
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: Everyone started that.

1258
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 5: Africa, Yeah, nineteen eighty three. I'm not just crazy. And

1259
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 5: sometimes the teacher, the vocal teacher, will play some open

1260
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 5: back singing all those stuff, and then one day you say, okay,

1261
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 5: I want you to listen to this song and tell

1262
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 5: me what you think. So she played ravel Boolero and

1263
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 5: when it's finished said, this is African man, and oh

1264
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 5: what did I say? MA, I'm like okay, and I

1265
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 5: shut up. I didn't say anything anymore. That's why I

1266
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 5: did my version of Bolleroo revel b put lyrics on it,

1267
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 5: and I'm like, hit this, I just settle my mind

1268
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 5: issue letter on. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna stay there.

1269
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 5: Last I always got the last word. And in the

1270
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 5: same period we go sometime I make some friends, a

1271
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 5: good friend that you always used to say to me,

1272
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 5: They're stupid, man, they live on another world. Just leave

1273
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 5: them alone. So, because the parents have one of the

1274
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 5: things that they entitled to everything, they want to say,

1275
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 5: do I care? They don't pay marry what. I don't care.

1276
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 5: So we went to a party and then at that party,

1277
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 5: I heard once in a lifetime talking head and I

1278
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 5: was like, this is African No no, no, no, no, no,

1279
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,440
Speaker 5: no no no, it's up. So African melody is ridiculous.

1280
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 5: So I like, hm hmm, I like this, this is Africa.

1281
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 5: And they say he don't say this in front of

1282
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: other people. And then people say, yeah, but well, Africans,

1283
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 5: you know you're not sophisticated enough to understand all of

1284
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 5: these things. You can't do this, And I say, well,

1285
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 5: I'm just saying you're stopping me from saying what I

1286
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 5: think to say. So that's how my life started in

1287
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 5: in Europe, and I was lucky to work with a

1288
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 5: piano player called Jaspevanov. That guy is the crazy dude,

1289
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 5: but men independency have it both hands. He can play

1290
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 5: something completely crazy. He be playing this. He got a

1291
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 5: song and goes on the left eie, you go dead

1292
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 5: and dead and then drag good dun dun. Yeah you're

1293
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 5: gonna kill me. Yeah, it's just that crazy. And that

1294
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 5: for him from him because he did an album with

1295
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 5: Ashy Ship called Mamaruse and he comes from that world

1296
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 5: of I mean free jazz. And he went to Africa

1297
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 5: with the guitar player from uh Belgium called Philip Catherine.

1298
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 5: He came back he said the first time we met,

1299
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 5: he said, I have to apologize to you. We're white people,

1300
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 5: didn't create nothing. We just we just dipped from all

1301
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 5: you from Africa. I'm like, oh, really, okay, I said,

1302
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 5: he said, man, please teach me some of your stuff.

1303
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 5: I want to make music. I can't live my life

1304
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 5: being the free jazz musician anymore. So we started to

1305
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 5: a Pilli Pilly was the name of the band, and

1306
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 5: we I wrote a lot of songs with them, and

1307
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 5: we Phillip Pilly. So after that, you know, I started

1308
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 5: making money to pay my graduation. But I have to

1309
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 5: go do hair, I have to clean hotel room, I

1310
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 5: have to do babysitting and all the things that I

1311
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 5: and I was a big star when I left my country,

1312
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 5: But me, it doesn't mean nothing to me. I knew

1313
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 5: that I had to do something from scratch again. Yeah,

1314
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 5: because I'm like now I'm in. I mean, I'm an

1315
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 5: adult for real. Mom is no longer there. I gotta

1316
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 5: pay my rent, I gotta pay my food, I gotta

1317
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 5: pay my transportation. I got everything, And I like the

1318
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 5: responsibility that it bestowed open me to do that. And

1319
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 5: one of the things that was really important for me

1320
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 5: to bring up here is that my mom and dad

1321
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 5: before I left, I knew they were worried. And I

1322
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 5: know my parents and then won't tell you why they're worried.

1323
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 5: And I went to them one or two days before

1324
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 5: I left. I said, momy, that what is going on?

1325
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 3: What is it?

1326
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 5: And they said, we just worried that in France, if

1327
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 5: it's too hard for you, maybe tempted to go through

1328
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 5: prostitution or take drug or jail drug. I say, I

1329
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 5: will clean the floor for one dollar a day for

1330
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 5: how long it takes before I come back. Are doing that?

1331
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 5: So for me, doing music was the thing that really

1332
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 5: keep me together. And after that I went to jazz

1333
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 5: school and I start learning jazz. For me, jazz was before.

1334
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 5: When I was listening, I was to Mahalia Jackson. I

1335
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 5: was listening to because my mom my dad loved Mahalia Jackson,

1336
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 5: loved Sydneyhborshame, my mom used to play clarinet and all

1337
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 5: those things for me was jazz. But really knowing more,

1338
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,560
Speaker 5: I become just a junkie of music. And it's just

1339
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 5: because for so many years none of no music came.

1340
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 5: I mean, the Talking Heads never made it to be in.

1341
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 5: It was crazy. I mean I missed out so much

1342
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 5: that I started just kind of hurry hurrying up to

1343
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 5: to to catch up with all the music.

1344
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: Everything.

1345
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 5: I just I'm taking everything. And then I get to

1346
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 5: the jazz school the first day to register and as

1347
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 5: I was walking the stairs to go to the office

1348
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 5: of admission, the admission office, then one brunette and one

1349
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 5: blonde girl, and I met them halfway. Because it was

1350
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 5: an old building with corners, you never know if you're

1351
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 5: going left or right. So I asked them what was

1352
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 5: the admissions office and they go why I said, I said,

1353
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 5: because I have to go register, and they said you're African.

1354
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 5: I said yes, and they look at me and said,

1355
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 5: what are you doing here? Jazz is not med for

1356
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 5: African people. I'm like, okay, doesn't matter. I just walked

1357
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 5: up and I do yeah, and the founder of the

1358
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 5: school listened to it and he didn't say anything. I

1359
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 5: finished with my registration in pay and then he came

1360
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 5: to me and said, don't listen to them. That is

1361
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 5: ignorant speaking every school and year and we do music here.

1362
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 5: I will help you put a song together, and I

1363
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 5: know you can't do it. And at the end of

1364
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: that year, they all picked el pick up this all

1365
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 5: this song like okay, just got him, just go ahead,

1366
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 5: And I came with George Benson this masquerade and I

1367
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 5: nailed them on the wall.

1368
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: Nice, nice, Wait, besides the overt cultural racism, Uh, where

1369
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: were the other cultural differences as far as that you

1370
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 1: face the first time when you got to Paris, that

1371
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: you weren't used to.

1372
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 5: The difference of people indifference completely. People weren't friendly, people

1373
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 5: weren't indifferent completely. I mean, when I get out of

1374
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 5: my building, my house, my apartment, you cross your neighbors

1375
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 5: on stairs, you say good morning. Everybody just go like

1376
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 5: like you just have it gone. You're gonna shoot them there.

1377
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, just how you make it out? In Brooklyn? Right, Brooklyn?

1378
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 5: We say hi to each other. I tell you, man

1379
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 5: in Man Street, we are a polite we know each other.

1380
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 5: Come on, it's like the village man works. Okay, but no,

1381
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 5: but you got there's a difference. There's a profound difference

1382
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 5: here in America. When you make eye contact with people,

1383
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 5: there's a nod or there's a can can't recognition somehow,

1384
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 5: you know, in France it's just like you can be

1385
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 5: transpar and nobody cares. And everywhere she performed, I mean

1386
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 5: one thing that really really struck me to the point

1387
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 5: where I just like, how am I gonna live in

1388
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 5: this country? I was in the subway going to school

1389
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 5: and there is at one station a girl walked into

1390
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 5: the station and she's just sobbing so much it barely

1391
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 5: could set. So I stood up and gave her my seat,

1392
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 5: and she was crying, and I was there, and it

1393
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 5: was looking at her, turned the head and there's something

1394
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 5: profoundly wrong with this crying. It's not like crying for

1395
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 5: by crying. It's there something bad about this. So when

1396
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 5: she came out of the subway, she was stumbling, so

1397
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 5: I get out. It was not my station. I get

1398
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 5: out and grab her because she was going to fall

1399
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 5: on the tracks. So I brought her to sit and

1400
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 5: I gave her my handkerchief and I sit there and said,

1401
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 5: I hold her. And she was shaking so much, and

1402
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 5: I said, what's going on? Can I help you? She

1403
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 5: couldn't speak, But I stayed there and I missed my class,

1404
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,560
Speaker 5: but I was not gonna let her there because I

1405
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 5: didn't know what was going on. And finally she said

1406
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 5: to me that she's orphans of both of her parents.

1407
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 5: The only person she still have alive was her brother,

1408
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 5: and she just get into accident and he's very critical

1409
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 5: in hospital. And I said, let me take you to

1410
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 5: the hospital. See but I can't stay alone. I say,

1411
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 5: I'll stay with you. So I have to find a

1412
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 5: way to call my brother because I was living with

1413
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 5: my brother. I could not live without him knowing where

1414
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 5: I was. So when we get to the hospital, I said,

1415
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 5: this is what happened, and this is where I am.

1416
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 5: And then he said, if he's too late, tell me

1417
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 5: I come and get you. The brother make it. He

1418
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 5: was feeling better when I left her, and I said,

1419
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 5: you want to come to my house, you can stay

1420
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 5: with me. And she looked at me and said, no

1421
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 5: one do that here. I said, yes, but where are

1422
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 5: you gonna go? You don't have the key. Your brother

1423
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 5: was the one that have the key. And then I said,

1424
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 5: let's go ask the nurse if if in his stuff keys.

1425
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 5: So we find the keys. I accompany her to where

1426
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 5: she was going and I tell my brother where I was.

1427
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 5: He had God at that time. He said, now it's

1428
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 5: past ten pm, I'm gonna come and pick you up.

1429
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 5: And then and for me, it was just something that

1430
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 5: really no one just cares and That's why my first

1431
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 5: album that I released in France when I was signed

1432
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 5: by Island Record, I call it Tortois Logoso and with

1433
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 5: the free signs see no evil, talk no evil, hear

1434
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 5: no evil. For me, it represents so much this Western

1435
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 5: society that called itself civilized, developed, yet we have lost

1436
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 5: the ability to reach out helping him to somebody that

1437
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 5: is a need because we are just so swamp in

1438
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 5: survival mode. We don't leave. We survive and we have everything.

1439
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 5: People that are poor and ever got the leave, they

1440
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 5: have one. They can have one mill a day. That

1441
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 5: will laugh. We are resilient and that's one thing that

1442
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 5: no one can take from us.

1443
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: No one, they can't. There's no way that you can

1444
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: take good. Oh no, I was just I was just agreeing.

1445
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: Up.

1446
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: How did you How did you come across meeting Chris Blackwell?

1447
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's an interesting story. The founder of the

1448
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 5: jaz school where I was had a label called Open

1449
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 5: Right and he produced only jazz right. And then he

1450
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 5: said to me, he came one day and see one

1451
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 5: of my shows. We had a bend together with my

1452
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 5: husband and some friends, and I was doing my own

1453
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 5: music and he said, man, I love the way you sing.

1454
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 5: I want to produce your album. So he produced the

1455
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 5: album one. By the time we finished it was broke.

1456
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 5: So he said, okay, I'm printing five hundred copies of Cities.

1457
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 5: I gave you two hundred and sell three hundred and

1458
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 5: that's it. With the two hundred, I sent it to

1459
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 5: record labels at every record label that exists in France.

1460
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 5: Have my CD promoters and I started playing at the

1461
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 5: New Morning Club and I gave one of my city

1462
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 5: to a guy from Mali called Mamadouconte. He's the one

1463
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 5: that founded the festival Africa e Fect okay, and he

1464
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 5: was the you Soon manager at that time, and then he,

1465
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 5: without telling me anything, send the CD to Chris Blackwell.

1466
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 5: So here I am playing the show at the New

1467
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: Morning Club in Paris, and you do two sets. I

1468
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 5: think the first set, the owner of Madame Farie and

1469
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 5: all the team of the club. Everybody had just been hijacked.

1470
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 5: When I walk out the stage, they are very important

1471
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 5: people waiting for your durussing room. I say, really more

1472
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 5: important than God. All right, let's go say So I

1473
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 5: walk in. You have the ear off from UK Island

1474
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 5: and you have the head of Island France and then

1475
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 5: introduce the to them themselves to me, say we really

1476
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 5: want to work with you, you want to sign you

1477
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 5: and I'm like this dude from France. I send them

1478
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 5: ticket to my shows, I send them everything. Nobody reply

1479
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 5: we're coming. We're not coming, just like now, you want

1480
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 5: to work with me? You know me, ma'am. How I

1481
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 5: ask questions? I said, I want to know what I

1482
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 5: was on here. I don't want to win. I want

1483
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 5: to how.

1484
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: You didn't trust the situation at all.

1485
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 5: And then I get and I get my hand on

1486
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 5: the fact that Crispy Blackwell sent and say you better

1487
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 5: sign this girl before somebody do. If somebody signed her

1488
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 5: before you, guys are losing your up. I'm like, yeah, baby,

1489
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 5: like this.

1490
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: Were you excited because of the the lineage that that

1491
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: he had.

1492
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 5: I didn't even know who he was.

1493
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know what Chris No.

1494
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 5: I just know the label Island. I didn't know who

1495
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 5: he was until the signior to the day we're gonna sign.

1496
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 5: I was kind of reluctant because I never signed any contract.

1497
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 5: Because signing a contract for me and my culture is

1498
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 5: a handshake. So while am I signing a paper for

1499
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 5: I just like hell. And I was just worried that

1500
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 5: signing such a big record company and I lose my identity,

1501
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 5: my cultural identity, that I'll be doing music that I

1502
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 5: don't like. So Chris Blackwall came before we signed and s,

1503
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 5: I'm really happy to have in the family. If you

1504
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 5: have any resistance, if you have any doubt, this is

1505
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 5: the moment to talk to me about it. And I

1506
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 5: just say, I just want to keep my artistical freedom

1507
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 5: and do the music that I love to do. And

1508
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 5: he said, that's no question about it. You do I sell,

1509
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 5: just sign it, put it in. And I'm like yeah.

1510
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 5: And for the first ten years of my career, I

1511
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 5: have the privilege of having Chris Blackwell as my artistical director.

1512
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 5: That guy have an ear. Oh my god. He goes

1513
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 5: on the sixteenth bar, your snare is too loud. I'm like,

1514
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 5: for real, and you listen, Marc.

1515
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1516
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 5: It's out of face, no no good. And every time

1517
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 5: I do it demo, when I send it to him,

1518
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 5: it's like he's in a candy store because I always

1519
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 5: do my demo so well, because you have to think

1520
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 5: about something. It might be hanging out somewhen, somebody might

1521
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 5: put his hand on it. You don't know who listened

1522
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 5: to what. It gotta be clean, man, it gotta be perfect.

1523
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 5: Even if a producer have to put his hand on it,

1524
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 5: he got something good to work with. Like when I

1525
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 5: did this project, remaining like that I'm doing now the demo.

1526
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 5: The voice of the demo are the final voice on

1527
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 5: the album.

1528
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: Not bad.

1529
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 5: My backing singing all is in there. Yeah, percussion from

1530
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 5: being all in there, and I add some more percussion.

1531
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 5: Everything about this album start with a percussion. The drum

1532
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 5: followed char Haynes followed the percussion player. When we were

1533
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 5: doing Once in a Lifetime with the current response with

1534
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 5: the drum, and then he asked, I mean when he

1535
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 5: played he started playing with the percussion player, I was

1536
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 5: sitting down like in the studio leg this is my

1537
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 5: brother's man. This dude a killing this start right there.

1538
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 5: Nobody else can play like that, And I just I

1539
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 5: just raised myself. Really, don't be racist in the other way.

1540
01:26:52,200 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: Just shut up. You work with so many musicians and

1541
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: so many different producers. What what are the highlights of

1542
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: your your working relationships? Like I know that you did

1543
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: a project with Tony Usconi.

1544
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 5: Tony was a wonderful mind though Tony was because I

1545
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 5: told him when blank, I don't lie studio me and

1546
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 5: a studio at all.

1547
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: I was about to say the first time you you

1548
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: always tell me you don't like the studio. I hate

1549
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: the studio, but it's it's where the magic happens.

1550
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 5: That they don't have the freaking daylight. I'm like, if

1551
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 5: it's wearing the snow. Something happened, I don't know, right,

1552
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 5: And it's no public to sing?

1553
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 6: Why not?

1554
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 5: Why should I sing to a wall?

1555
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 1: We in that case, what was it like working at

1556
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: Paisley Park? Because you did your whole lap? It was

1557
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: it was like your snow in Minnesota.

1558
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 5: Shoot man, my daughter was ten days old when we

1559
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 5: stopped doing it. I just because that album have been

1560
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 5: produced by two different producers, Will More from Soul to

1561
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 5: Soul in London and David Busy, So I was between both.

1562
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 5: I'll grab my child and go do this and go back.

1563
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 5: I love Park. It was the time of revolution, the

1564
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 5: Michael the Drama. We got so much fun. Man, We've

1565
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 5: been talking about music when Prince was not there. We're like,

1566
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 5: come on, come on, let's let's jump. I'm like, yeah,

1567
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 5: come on. It was fun park. And the funny thing

1568
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 5: is you see Sting comes in and you have Prince here.

1569
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 5: Sting is just like regular Prince is all maked up.

1570
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 5: I mean, the Christ of the pant is now I'm

1571
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 5: like Jesus Christ. And you look, you see two most

1572
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 5: of music here completely different worlds and not like that.

1573
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 5: That's what music brings me to. I mean, what is

1574
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 5: important for me when I'm doing an album is that

1575
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 5: the producer becomes also as part of the music. It's

1576
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 5: not just pushing bottoms. And if you have any idea,

1577
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 5: I come from a culture where we do things together

1578
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 5: and and my father always used to say to me

1579
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 5: that's the reason why he encouraged me to play soccer.

1580
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 5: He said, you play soccer and everybody works together for

1581
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 5: one goal. You have to learn to do that to

1582
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 5: have people around you that even if you don't think

1583
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 5: the same, you have the same aesthetics. You have you

1584
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 5: have the same goal to achieve, and then you are

1585
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 5: stronger because you bounced off each other. And two three

1586
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 5: brands together is powerful. It's more powerful than any atomic bomb.

1587
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 5: And that's how I like to do my work. And

1588
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 5: I remember the first time he played on my album

1589
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 5: was in quir You remember Quar Studio when I was

1590
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 5: doing the cover of.

1591
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: Voodoo Chai, right, and we call it that's you. Yeah,

1592
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: that's me. I'm kind of everywhere.

1593
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 5: But I think I didn't like it. I didn't like

1594
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: that process because I didn't come to meet everybody. And

1595
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 5: after that, I'm like, the next album is everybody in

1596
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 5: the studio. Otherwise that's what we did for Black Average.

1597
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 5: So the black As album we recorded, it was the

1598
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 5: funniest thing ever. Out of this world. Here comes am

1599
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 5: here the best player come from French West Indies. The

1600
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 5: percussion player have never been to America. We do all

1601
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 5: the paper for him to come from Salva yea. He

1602
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 5: does not speak a word of English. Go listen to

1603
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 5: that album Rhden section. Oh boy, it is tired or

1604
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 5: what I'm telling you. You don't need to speak the

1605
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 5: same language to do music. And it's the only form

1606
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 5: of art. I mean, I remember, I remember the song

1607
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 5: I cover a song of Gilberto Jill mhm. And then Jesus,

1608
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 5: I'm still listening to it and then I mean, what too,

1609
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 5: and the guitar go adam, he just he sits everybody

1610
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 5: down saying, okay, this is where it is and you

1611
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 5: have the bass player. He was so happy what he

1612
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 5: loves it? How wi is all the drummers that have

1613
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 5: mean I said, don't be messing up with me right now?

1614
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: Numbers now now I wish my roll call Angelie.

1615
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 2: How do you pick your covers? Because you're known for

1616
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 2: a lot of like Voodoo Child and the other ones.

1617
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 2: You're known for a lot of your covers. How do

1618
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 2: you pick them?

1619
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 5: Well? The Voto Child wants started pretty I mean, I've

1620
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 5: known Jimmy Hendrix since being in but then I came

1621
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 5: to Price and we had a friend called he's a

1622
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:53,879
Speaker 5: specialist of uh you know Jimmy Henry's mother. Any American

1623
01:31:55,200 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 5: come some bed yazid man. He's from Benin. There's nothing

1624
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 5: I'm telling you sitting down here. You want to try

1625
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 5: him next time? I tell him when he comes coming

1626
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 5: six to speak to you, there's nothing you would say

1627
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 5: about Jimmy Hendy that he doesn't know. Ever, Really, I

1628
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 5: swear you he got everything. This is this is This

1629
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 5: guy is crazy. I mean, he's he loves Jimmy Hendrix

1630
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 5: so much. I'm like, it's not even your brother, dude.

1631
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 5: Come on, And we were listening to us telling him

1632
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 5: how I discovered the music of Jimmy Hendry and he said,

1633
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 5: have some news for you. He started playing me all

1634
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,440
Speaker 5: the stuff that I missed because of this tupid communists,

1635
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 5: all those dub and then he puts Voodoo Channel and

1636
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, this is my song right there. I'm

1637
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 5: doing a cover of it. And he looked at me

1638
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 5: and really, I said, what Jimmy really said? Well, let's

1639
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 5: see I'm not Oh, don't dare me. You don't know me.

1640
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 5: Don't do this. It's not good for you. It takes me.

1641
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 5: It can take me ten years. I'm gonna do this

1642
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 5: coover take me six years. I woke up one morning

1643
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 5: and I started singing the guitar in my head with

1644
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 5: words because I said, Jimmy Hendrix can't play the guitar.

1645
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 5: I might also say it damn it. I don't want

1646
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 5: anybody else but Jimmy Hendy's to do it. He can't

1647
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 5: do it. I'm sanging it. So that's what I did.

1648
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 5: I go a mom michiligit for doom va michiligo. A

1649
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 5: mom michiligo for doom va michiligo.

1650
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean that to you is been in the spirit.

1651
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 5: It's it's it's the Amazon.

1652
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 1: What other American songs? Because you know we're lost in America.

1653
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was been until five months ago.

1654
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that, what other songs do you

1655
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: hear an American culture that you feel in your heart?

1656
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 5: There are so many of them. I just singing it.

1657
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 5: It have to be there, I mean, versus versus price,

1658
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 5: it's not. When I was doing the the listening wing

1659
01:33:55,880 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 5: on the album of the Talking Heads, The Vermain to

1660
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 5: Remain Live, I sang and Ezra sign that song with me,

1661
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 5: and that song is a song that is really profound.

1662
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 5: It goes I'm a wabo. Then on sackwayo Baldi tula,

1663
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 5: I'm a wabo no sackway tula o me why oh me?

1664
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 5: Why o me? Why hey me? Why e yay yeah

1665
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 5: yeay tu last.

1666
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,520
Speaker 1: He said, you make that look so effortless.

1667
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 5: It's definitely because that's like a my life. You can't

1668
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 5: cast a spell, you can't stop. When a hunter goes

1669
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 5: out to hunt, he's the one telling the story. But

1670
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 5: when you shoot at the black panther and you miss,

1671
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 5: the story is different because that spell you cast before

1672
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 5: you try shooting him, he can come back and get

1673
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 5: you and then who's staring the story?

1674
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: Now? The panther there it is. I do want to

1675
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: ask you about remaining light? How how long has this

1676
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: been passion project? I mean, I'm assuming that for you

1677
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: to cover an entire album, it has to be a

1678
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: passion project.

1679
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 3: So what.

1680
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: First of all, did you know the history of David

1681
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 1: Byrne's obsession with Nigerian music?

1682
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 5: And I didn't know.

1683
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 1: You didn't know anything.

1684
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 5: I didn't know all that till I start working on it.

1685
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 5: Wait what Yeah, when I started working on it, I

1686
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 5: went out and find out, Oh, really, start listening to

1687
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 5: the song first, because the song have to speak to

1688
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 5: me before I get dive into it too, because I

1689
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 5: don't want to know anything about it. Then it can

1690
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 5: it would impact my inspiration. So as as we were

1691
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 5: working on it, I had so many traditional songs that

1692
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 5: I've been sung to me by women when I was

1693
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 5: doing Beninese women and Kenyan women. When I was doing

1694
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 5: my album Eve and that album that I dedicate to

1695
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 5: the resilience and the beauty of the African women that

1696
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 5: want the Grammy. It was not only songs that I

1697
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 5: come back with, life stories too, women that I've been

1698
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 5: going through hell. I've sung with Amazon Descendants in a

1699
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 5: boomy many songs, profound songs, so I put them there.

1700
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 5: I listened to talking and I listened to the women,

1701
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 5: and the song goes, they go together, and the message

1702
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 5: just match so well. And I also I think that

1703
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 5: this project for me is about many things. After the

1704
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,839
Speaker 5: last election, I said, I don't want to live in darkness.

1705
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 5: I don't want to live in fear because I had

1706
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 5: never been raised in fear. Whatever gonna happen, my music's

1707
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 5: gonna be always the one that's gonna remain in light

1708
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 5: and keep people in light.

1709
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: One.

1710
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 5: The second reason is that the voice of the women

1711
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 5: have so much wisdom that this album deserved to have it.

1712
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 5: The third thing is when they wrote this album and

1713
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 5: did this album, it was at the reggae era, war

1714
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 5: on drugs, and now we have war on democracy. So

1715
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 5: I started listening to the lyrics differently, and people used

1716
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 5: to tell me those talking Head songs, men, the words

1717
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 5: are absurd. You don't understand nothing, And I'm like, you

1718
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 5: gotta know how to listen to it. You got to

1719
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 5: know how to listen to it. And the first time

1720
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 5: I heard Born on the Punch is I'm like, this

1721
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 5: is corruption big time here. We are all born on

1722
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 5: the punches. Our lyrics have set up a system of

1723
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 5: corruption that deprived us from our rights to thrive, our children,

1724
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 5: to thrive, our society to function, North Southeast. It does

1725
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 5: not matter where it is. It's not an African problem.

1726
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 5: Is the worldwide problem. And that for me, is one

1727
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 5: of the things that we have to shed light on

1728
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 5: because if you look at it, you look at the

1729
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 5: world in which we are living. I'll take it from

1730
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 5: Africa after colonization, and I said, organizations still exists in Africa.

1731
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 5: The independence that we have is just a word with

1732
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 5: no substance because the independence that we had does not

1733
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 5: allow us Africans to set our resources the price we want.

1734
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 5: We don't set the price of our resources. People come

1735
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 5: and take it and pay the price they want it

1736
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 5: that sometimes they don't pay. They don't give money to

1737
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 5: a government that they want to keep in place to

1738
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 5: be able to take what they need from Africa. And

1739
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 5: in order to continue that what they call independence, they

1740
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 5: have to find a way to stop. Every single person

1741
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 5: that's gonna stay gonna say to them, this is not doable.

1742
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 5: Start with Bluemomba Kuiman Krumer, all those educated men, when

1743
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 5: the country colonizing them presented to them what they call

1744
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 5: the colonial Pact, in which basically they have no power.

1745
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 5: You are independent, but you have no power. You can

1746
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 5: have a currency. If you want to build the roads,

1747
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 5: we have to come and do it. Anything you have

1748
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 5: to do, we have to do it for you. You

1749
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 5: cannot make any policy that will impact our interest and

1750
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 5: you have to keep your population on the check. No

1751
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 5: riot in the street against our interests. All those things

1752
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 5: are written in the pact. So when the mover stand

1753
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 5: up against it, they kill him, not I mean with

1754
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 5: the help of CIA. The CI, the guide of CIA

1755
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 5: said we kill him and dump him and asked for

1756
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 5: him not to have any place where people can come

1757
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 5: and say this is our hero. So why did they

1758
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 5: do that? Because they put people puppets in politic in

1759
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 5: high places. They continue doing it. I don't know. If

1760
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 5: you see the documentary UH on CNN about the Cobalt, well,

1761
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 5: you gotta see that the children are working to get cobalt.

1762
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 5: The Cobold people don't even know where it's going when

1763
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 5: they put it on the on the on the bus.

1764
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 5: They have paper and they write the amount, Well, who

1765
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 5: is it going to? You can't find it? I mean

1766
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,679
Speaker 5: the head of Testla saying, oh, we always follow the origin.

1767
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 5: And then they're going to say, ask him where it

1768
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 5: is the paper? Say what is your name? So it's

1769
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 5: always everything the business. The way business is done in Africa,

1770
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 5: it's done nowhere. The rule of business don't apply in

1771
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 5: Africa is just we come, we take, we leave. So

1772
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 5: for me, one of the point is, well, the first

1773
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 5: song and I said, I'm going hard on this one.

1774
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it. And then you have cross cross

1775
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 5: eye penless. Cross eye penless is about calling people names.

1776
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 5: You call us what you call us the N word,

1777
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 5: you call us any kind of name, But what kind

1778
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 5: of name you want us to tell? To give you?

1779
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 5: You start telling me who you are? That question never

1780
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 5: come out? Who are you? How do you see yourself

1781
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 5: compared to us? If you call us name, who are you?

1782
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 5: Why do you call us that name? And who give

1783
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,680
Speaker 5: us that name? What gives you the right to give

1784
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 5: us that name? So that said, cross eye penless, your

1785
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 5: eyes are crossed, and goes to the direction that function

1786
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 5: for you. The rest you don't want to know, and

1787
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 5: so on and so forth. So the whole album. I

1788
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 5: listened to it completely differently. The Great Curve is about

1789
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 5: Mother Earth, hm, not only the nature, but the women

1790
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 5: from since since we have been on this planet. Who

1791
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 5: tells the story of the women? Not about the man?

1792
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 5: Adam and Eve's all, my mom says. All our problem

1793
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 5: as women start from there. From the moment a man

1794
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 5: cannot stand for his own tech responsibility, for his own

1795
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 5: desire and have to blame a woman for tempting him.

1796
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 5: And he has a brain to think, knowing very well

1797
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 5: that apple if he takes it, there are gonna be consequences.

1798
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 5: He took it anyway and blame a woman? Did I

1799
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 5: always ask the question did Eve just knock him down

1800
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,560
Speaker 5: and put his feet on the throat and shoveled in

1801
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 5: his mouth? So why do we have to be blamed

1802
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 5: for the man's sexual life? I mean there's a war

1803
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 5: rage again in this country against women to go for abortion.

1804
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 5: Abortion is not never an easy decision to make for

1805
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 5: any woman. It takes two today as the tank wor's

1806
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 5: the guy. If the guy is there helping the woman,

1807
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 5: the woman don't think two seconds to go have a abortion.

1808
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 5: So we are blamed for that to everything we blame,

1809
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 5: we are blamed for. So the mead To movement is

1810
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 5: a great movement, but we have to have a mead

1811
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 5: To movement for the mother Earth because the way we're

1812
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 5: treating this planet, oh my God, oh my God, is bad.

1813
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 5: Beyond that, exactly house is in motion is eight thousand,

1814
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight crisis. There's one, there's another one looming,

1815
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 5: not gonna come. And it's always the same. We choose,

1816
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 5: we have chosen as human being when we come to

1817
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 5: this planet, not to go for the greater good, not

1818
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,839
Speaker 5: to go for kindness, but to go for the jugular,

1819
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 5: go for the violence. You want something, you want it,

1820
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 5: and then somebody is on your way. We kill, we

1821
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 5: eradicate your raist, and that's it. We did it for

1822
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 5: the Inn and in in in, in Peru. We did

1823
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,440
Speaker 5: it I mean everywhere, the general side of the aboriginiest

1824
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 5: people here, the Native Indians in Africa, slavery I mean,

1825
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 5: and we all have made and excused. The word of

1826
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 5: excuse for those crime is business. When you're doing business,

1827
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 5: you're making profit, everything is cool. We worship money more

1828
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 5: than we worship God, more than we worship human life.

1829
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 5: So for me, the whole Many Light album is the

1830
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 5: anxiety of the Reagan era that we are feeling today.

1831
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 5: So how do we reconcile that? That's why my take

1832
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 5: on Once in a Lifetime is so joyful because there's

1833
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 5: something positive about it. It brings us to questions, how

1834
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 5: do we get here? Can we ask ourselves the questions

1835
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 5: and see the symbolism of water in all this? Every

1836
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 5: single human being have to grow up in water before

1837
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 5: you come to be born to this earth. What have

1838
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 5: been at the center of my our migration in this world?

1839
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 5: All of us, from Homo erectus to homosapiens, to the

1840
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 5: town to Davidian. All of the brains we can call

1841
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 5: goes through water. The migrant crisis of today is on water.

1842
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 5: We're gonna be fighting for water pretty soon. We can

1843
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 5: live without gasoline? Can we live without water?

1844
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 6: So?

1845
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 5: How do we get here?

1846
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: Are we wrong?

1847
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 5: Are we right? My god? What have we done?

1848
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 1: Hang on? Yo? This is the wokenst episode of the

1849
01:45:54,439 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: show ever, Like, I h can we go on after this?

1850
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: Like like I feel like I need to go home

1851
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: and listen to remain in a couple of times exactly now?

1852
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 2: Did you or you should start a coffee table book?

1853
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 2: Of your saying you have ever done that? No people

1854
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 2: have that's next, Yeah, that's I mean, yeah, Well, is

1855
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 2: there anything that you you haven't done? You've worked with everyone, You've.

1856
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: That.

1857
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 5: We have never done our album. We've been talking about we.

1858
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Were I know, I know we're going to do it.

1859
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 5: We're going to do it.

1860
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 1: But okay. So that's like the running theme of the show.

1861
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: Everybody does a record request love Yeah, or that I've

1862
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: yet to hold up my end of the bargain. Too

1863
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 1: many jobs.

1864
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 5: No, it's not that. Because he liked music. I like

1865
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 5: him for that. I mean, he's open to I mean,

1866
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 5: it was very surprising for me when he he started

1867
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,719
Speaker 5: playing with me. I'm like, this guy is American drummer,

1868
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 5: but he's more than that because he listened to so

1869
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 5: different type of music. It's like me, he grew up

1870
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 5: with music parents musicians, and sometimes you can grow up

1871
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 5: with parents musician and you go, I hate music, man,

1872
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 5: I want nothing to do with that. Drive me crazy.

1873
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 5: He listens and he come up to be who he is.

1874
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice.

1875
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 5: He does not copy. He is himself. When you hear

1876
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 5: his drumming, you know it's him. Nobody else plays the drum,

1877
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 5: the way he plays. That's it. And that's the most

1878
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 5: difficult thing to do in our business where you have

1879
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 5: so many talents around. How do you you? How are

1880
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,759
Speaker 5: you unique and true to yourself?

1881
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: Well, let's see if you feel that way after this

1882
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Prince project. Thank you very much for a coming.

1883
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 5: Man.

1884
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: I need a sandwich. I need to go back to college.

1885
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 1: Anyway we have of Damn, this's public school education in

1886
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: my let me having of Sugar, Steve of Chat with

1887
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: Sugar and twin Bills. Uh, this is a quest Love.

1888
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Also shout out to fan Tigelow and it's like it's like,

1889
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: thank you Angelic one more time. This is a quest

1890
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1891
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 7: Uh.

1892
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: This is quest Love Supreme on Pandora. We'll see you

1893
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 1: the next go round. Thank you. Quest Love Supreme is

1894
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by

1895
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 1: the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio,

1896
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

1897
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.