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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Zeit

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Speaker 1: of Passage. I'm Jack O'Brien. That's DJ Daniel Goodman. Happened Daniel?

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Sir? Oh you tell me? Oh,

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Speaker 1: same old, same old, baby, Really you tell me? Because

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Speaker 1: I have not been following the trend um just finding

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Speaker 1: out about these McCloskey people, Mark and pat McCloskey. I

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Speaker 1: was I had the boys buy meself over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: so I was having my head down in trains and diapers.

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Speaker 1: Sounds about the usual. Yeah, yeah, just for me, even

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Speaker 1: when I'm not around the kids. Uh so, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about I guess MS thirteens trending, Matt gets

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Speaker 1: his trending, Mark and Patricia mccloss gear trending. What's happening?

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Speaker 1: All kind of related to the same thing. So during

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Speaker 1: a protest in St. Louis, Missouri, a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: um people were marching through a gated community and this couple,

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Speaker 1: the mcclass keys, decided to come out of their homes

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Speaker 1: brandishing a what looked like an M sixteen and like

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Speaker 1: a twenty two handgun or something like that and basically

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Speaker 1: threatening people, being like get off our property or we're

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Speaker 1: gonna shoot you. And you know, some things to note. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Missouri does have standard ground laws, and they are within

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Speaker 1: their right to defend their property with deadly weapons. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, people on their property, right, bingo. That's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. These people were walking on their property.

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Speaker 1: They were walking on the sidewalk in front of their house,

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Speaker 1: which is completely legal. I think another big concern here

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Speaker 1: is from you know, people who are guns rights activists

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Speaker 1: and gun safety advocates, people like our good friend, you know,

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans, would look at what they were doing and

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Speaker 1: describe their behavior as awful, awful gun handling. One of

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Speaker 1: the main rules is don't keep your finger on the trigger,

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Speaker 1: don't point your gun at anybody like These are very

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Speaker 1: simple rules. And half the time that you look at

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Speaker 1: these videos was the dude Mr McCloskey is pointing the

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Speaker 1: gun at his wife, and worse, the wife not on purpose,

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Speaker 1: just like incidentally, just incidentally, right carelessly pointing the gun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at one point she grabs the barrel of the gun too.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, is they based on nothing. I'm

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Speaker 1: just finding out about this. Looking looking at the pictures,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching a couples sexual ritual of

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Speaker 1: some sort like that. They're like that there's something they're

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Speaker 1: don't know if they were like shouting things, so maybe

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Speaker 1: it was more hateful, but but it looks like they're

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Speaker 1: like getting something out of it more than just uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, being menaces. Oh, most certainly. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's these these people are really angry about

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Speaker 1: nothing and are trying their best to show it with

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Speaker 1: these very weird displays of force. It's it's sad. It's

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Speaker 1: very sad. Yeah, I mean it's the when you look

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Speaker 1: at those gun magazines, they are people just itching. They're

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Speaker 1: like they want somebody to uh break and enter into

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Speaker 1: are like be the die hard guy, like you you're

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Speaker 1: gonna they're not gonna know what hit him when they

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Speaker 1: assault weapon or you know, it's just they're itching, like

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Speaker 1: they're so uh again, I go back to like arousal.

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Speaker 1: There's something that seems to be uh like deeply uh

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Speaker 1: in ways that aren't just you know, but like with

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Speaker 1: Robert he when he Robert Evans he when you talked

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Speaker 1: And with folks, uh like these folks and a lot

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Speaker 1: It's gonna people are gonna get hurt. Yeah. I also

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Speaker 1: think especially with Robert and also a fellow hosted behind

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Speaker 1: the police propaganda, they both describe a reverence and a

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Speaker 1: respect for you know, the power and the creation and

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Speaker 1: saying that there's something with brandishing laws. What is that?

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Speaker 1: Brandishing is pointing your weapon in a threatening manner or

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Speaker 1: handling your weapon in a threatening manner towards someone else.

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Speaker 1: That is brandishing, and uh, there are laws against that

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Speaker 1: in Missouri. The the you know, the most recent. Now,

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Speaker 1: brandishing and it is against the law. And it does

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Speaker 1: not like, it does not fall understand your ground if

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Speaker 1: these people aren't on your property, yeah, which they won't.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, to be fair, like, how are we

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Speaker 1: supposed to expect Mark and Patricia to have any awareness

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Speaker 1: of what's legal and not people. It's not like, oh

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Speaker 1: all right, yikes. Reddit is trending because it banned both

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Speaker 1: overdo and also our Choppo trap House, which is a

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Speaker 1: place that I have been and enjoyed on Reddit. Um,

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Speaker 1: what's your what's your take on this? Why? Why is

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. I mean, Reddit in general, it builds

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Speaker 1: many awesome, awesome communities on Reddit. It also happens to

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Speaker 1: people who are using bots, tons of Ushan bots. If

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Speaker 1: and so you know, it is not it is far

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Speaker 1: trolls and you know, people who want to agitate. Right,

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Speaker 1: take advantage of the Internet a lot. Yeah, uh, let's

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Speaker 1: uh join our recurring segment Chris round up the number

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Speaker 1: one Chris's the who's dropped in their Chris rankings. So

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Speaker 1: a couple of Chris stories. Jim from the office not

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Speaker 1: Chris and our sister podcast host h Dana's estimation Danish Swartz. Indeed, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Chris Pine has shot up the rankings. Similar to Tom

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Speaker 1: then big news, Uh. The Supreme Court earlier today struck

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Speaker 1: that are trending, Daniel. Yeah, we did it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining you. Thank you guys for listening.

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Speaker 1: Uh we will will be back tomorrow with the whole

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Speaker 1: last episode. You can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore, O'Brien, Dania,

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Speaker 1: And if you need me to help you build a computer.

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Speaker 1: And happy to yourself, all right, and that's gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Be good to each other, be good to yourselves. Uh,

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