Speaker 1: To me, it maybe had something to do with that
Speaker 1: one little girl. But to me, there's a bigger read.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me. The day won't be in. He
Speaker 1: killed eight people over one child. It's just so bizarre
Speaker 1: that there's so many twists and turns. It's mind boggling,
Speaker 1: and it's like a puzzle trying to put the pieces together.
Speaker 1: It's just got so many tentacles and goes in so
Speaker 1: many different directions. Nobody has said anything other than he
Speaker 1: was shy and in love with Hannah Road. Literally it
Speaker 1: love like something is off. This is the Piked massacre
Speaker 1: returned to Pike County season three, episode ten, House on
Speaker 1: a Hill. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie
Speaker 1: Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. In researching this story,
Speaker 1: we sometimes find ourselves mired in details that lead to
Speaker 1: dead ends. In this episode, before George Wagner the fourth Trial,
Speaker 1: we're stepping back to take an eagle life view on
Speaker 1: the dark power dynamics at play in southern Ohio. We
Speaker 1: have uncovered some shocking new theories about what might have
Speaker 1: led to the grizzly murders of the eight members of
Speaker 1: the Rodent family. Here's Stephanie and Jeff. After following the
Speaker 1: story for years, you really start to see that there
Speaker 1: are sort of two piked in's. In one piked in
Speaker 1: there are people simply trying to live, work and put
Speaker 1: food on the table for their family. And on the
Speaker 1: other hands, there's a lot of people in power who
Speaker 1: are misusing it. And quite a few of these individuals
Speaker 1: have used their power for personal gain period, often with
Speaker 1: brutal consequences for those who get caught in the crossfire.
Speaker 1: No one exemplifies this more than Michael Moran, who we
Speaker 1: know is a local Portsmouth lawyer who was accused of
Speaker 1: doing all sorts of heinous things. As we've discussed in
Speaker 1: previous episodes, Michael Moran preyed upon vulnerable female clients, often
Speaker 1: prostitutes and drug users. He lured them in with inexpensive
Speaker 1: legal representation, then trapped him into sexual slavery and worse.
Speaker 1: His victims were people like Megan Lancaster who went missing
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. Aungie Montgomery knew her and her sister
Speaker 1: in law, Katie, who spent years trying to find Megan.
Speaker 1: Here's Angie. The way Katie described Megan to me. She
Speaker 1: looked at me and she was like, I knew she
Speaker 1: would find a way to get a whole subody. I
Speaker 1: knew she would. That's what I always you know, it
Speaker 1: was in the back of her mind. I knew she
Speaker 1: would find a way to say something to somebody. During
Speaker 1: her tireless crusade to find out what happened to Megan,
Speaker 1: Katie Lancaster also fell victim to the pressures of life
Speaker 1: in Pike County. I'm going to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: she was easy. I didn't know it. Her and her
Speaker 1: husband went through hell right before she died. And she
Speaker 1: also told me that the court told her to stop
Speaker 1: with her Megan's campaign. She was found in an area
Speaker 1: in Portsmouth it's known for drug dally and she was
Speaker 1: found in a house having apparently overdosed. Right that's the
Speaker 1: same area that Moran's office was in, right right up
Speaker 1: the road. Here's Jeff speaking with Sophie, an acquaintance of
Speaker 1: the Wagner family. We spoke with her in an earlier episode,
Speaker 1: but as a reminder, she's the one who alerted us
Speaker 1: to ties between Michael Moran and Angela Wagner's father, Pug Carter.
Speaker 1: It's not a surprise to me that her dad had
Speaker 1: him as a lawyer. That was news to me. How
Speaker 1: did you find that out? You probably send the link
Speaker 1: to it. We talked about Michael Moran on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but kind of as an outlier. It just spoke to
Speaker 1: crimes that were happening in the community. But this really
Speaker 1: connects Michael Moran to the Wagner family. Yes, and Angie
Speaker 1: was always really close with her dad. From what I
Speaker 1: remember is that there was like an undercover seeing where
Speaker 1: the police were going to his house and purchasing and
Speaker 1: selling drugs. So actual drug list is how he got caught.
Speaker 1: Another local sleuth who goes by j J, confirms the story.
Speaker 1: Everybody there in that little town of South Webster knew
Speaker 1: what he was doing. I mean, he was their supplier.
Speaker 1: Is it just mainly pot now we're talking about or
Speaker 1: party drugs like heroin and cocaine, oxy cod own. He
Speaker 1: even did time in prison for his drug dealings. He
Speaker 1: was a want to be gangster, if you will. So
Speaker 1: that's what she grew up in, That's what she was
Speaker 1: familiar with. Billy Wagner's aunts lived across the street from
Speaker 1: the cars. That's how they had to have met. For
Speaker 1: a defense lawyer like Michael Moran, Pug Carter was probably
Speaker 1: a legitimate source of study income, but he also recognized
Speaker 1: another possible stream of cash from his less well off
Speaker 1: female clients. Michael Moran exploited the power dynamic ruthlessly, often
Speaker 1: abusing the women he lured in and calling them the
Speaker 1: product he turned around and sold their services right back
Speaker 1: to the most powerful and Pike County. It's rumored that
Speaker 1: some of this took place in a house on a
Speaker 1: hill just south of Piketon. Here's Stephanie speaking with Angie Montgomery.
Speaker 1: This is just, you know, frankly, rumor and speculation that
Speaker 1: there's a place that was this power slash bar, and officials,
Speaker 1: people that worked for the local police would go there
Speaker 1: for drinks, and sometimes there were girls there and maybe
Speaker 1: not such great behavior would happen behind closed doors. Yes,
Speaker 1: and if you give me two seconds, I'll give you
Speaker 1: the name of the place. It's on top of Big
Speaker 1: Beer Lake. It's just like a it's like a resort.
Speaker 1: I was told that there was some sort of a
Speaker 1: security PINpad that you could go into that club at anytime.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't call it a club like a bar anytime
Speaker 1: if you had a key. Yes, it's like you just
Speaker 1: take this place and just drop it in the middle,
Speaker 1: and it lands on top of this mountain because you
Speaker 1: have to have four rollers to get up to it. Actually,
Speaker 1: I dated a police officer years ago. I remember me
Speaker 1: and whom We're driving down one or four and we
Speaker 1: drove past Big Beer Lake. I remember whom telling me
Speaker 1: that's where all the cops go to get chicks and
Speaker 1: do illegal stuff. And this was in like nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: He told me this, and I thought he was blowing
Speaker 1: smoke at my ass, but apparently he wasn't. So you
Speaker 1: can actually go up to it now and walk through it.
Speaker 1: There's rooms like you got the restaurant in the bar,
Speaker 1: then you've got your little rooms, kind of like a hotel. Frasier's.
Speaker 1: It's called Frasier's Chateau Club and it's got the address. Wow,
Speaker 1: we took the address and just put it into Google Maps,
Speaker 1: and the chateau seems to be located just south of
Speaker 1: piked In, kind of on the way to Portsmith. It's
Speaker 1: way up on the top of this mountain looking over
Speaker 1: Lake Frasier, which is actually sometimes referred to as Big
Speaker 1: Bear Lake, but the technical name is Lake Frasier, hence
Speaker 1: the name Frasier Chateau. We heard a lot about in
Speaker 1: the early days that you know, the Rodents would go
Speaker 1: to Big Bear Lake in the summertime to go off
Speaker 1: roading and tubing, and it was just a place to
Speaker 1: go as a family for fun. But when you look
Speaker 1: at this photo, you see at the very very top
Speaker 1: there's almost this fancy place kind of looking over the
Speaker 1: whole thing and stuff. Which I find interesting is if
Speaker 1: you look at this map which we'll post on our
Speaker 1: Instagram at kat Underscore Studios, there's almost this like back
Speaker 1: road that goes up to it that almost looks like
Speaker 1: a place where you could drive a four wheeler, which
Speaker 1: does remind me of how Angie described this place. It
Speaker 1: makes you wonder what was going up and down this road,
Speaker 1: like who was transporting what to the chateau from town.
Speaker 1: We found out that it was for sale in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one and it was owned by a man
Speaker 1: named Richard Fraser Jr. He then passed it on to
Speaker 1: Richard Fraser the Third in the early nineties. We were
Speaker 1: also able to track down some videos of the chateau
Speaker 1: in its heyday. What you see are people enjoying the
Speaker 1: better things of life. They're having drinks, they're watching the
Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby. We were only going to win about a
Speaker 1: million dollars. The audio is a little hard to decipher,
Speaker 1: but what you just heard was one man saying bring
Speaker 1: it on home to Daddy, followed by another saying we
Speaker 1: were only going to win about a million dollars. Men
Speaker 1: are wearing tuxedos and they're gambling and drinking champagne. You know,
Speaker 1: it looks like one of those very fancy, upscale country
Speaker 1: clubs you would see in the movies. Everybody is living
Speaker 1: their best possible life. Makes you wonder what was happening
Speaker 1: up at the chateau. What's being alleged is that this
Speaker 1: chateau sort of serves as the center of yet another
Speaker 1: backstory in the massacre that could be connected. And again
Speaker 1: we're kind of learning about this real time also. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting when things that were considered rumor in previous
Speaker 1: seasons and we couldn't talk about it really now we're
Speaker 1: all shaping up to be a matter of fact. And
Speaker 1: the more people we speak to, the connective tissue becomes
Speaker 1: clearer and clearer. We were also able to uncover that
Speaker 1: Moran represented the owners of the chateau in a court
Speaker 1: case where they had an issue with a bank loan.
Speaker 1: So there's now no doubt that Michael Moran was tied
Speaker 1: to Frasier Chateau in some capacity. It just ties together
Speaker 1: all of these players that we've been talking about, Michael Moran,
Speaker 1: Frasier Chateau, the cops, the Wagners, the Rodents, They're all
Speaker 1: in the same world in ways that we never imagined.
Speaker 1: We've also found road in connections to the chateau. We've
Speaker 1: been told that Chris Senior might have been doing construction there,
Speaker 1: and it's confirmed that Frankie and Chris Junior worked there
Speaker 1: because they listed as their place of employment on Facebook,
Speaker 1: so there was an obvious connection there for work. And
Speaker 1: we have heard that Chris Senior was also a craftsmanoon
Speaker 1: used to do construction on a lot of patios in
Speaker 1: and around the area, and it's been speculated that perhaps
Speaker 1: he overheard something or saw some sort of nefarious behavior
Speaker 1: at the chateau and that people were afraid he was
Speaker 1: going to snitch and maybe that's a factor into the massacre.
Speaker 1: But again we do know, it's definitely playing a role,
Speaker 1: and quickly these dots are getting connected. Worth noting, though,
Speaker 1: that none of our research would suggest that any of
Speaker 1: the Rodents were connected to anything nefarious at Big bear Lake.
Speaker 1: We called and confirmed with Big Bear Lake workers that
Speaker 1: the chateau is now closed. We've learned that Big Bear
Speaker 1: Lake bought over three hundred acres of land fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: which included the chateau. The current owners have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the chateau. According to the person we spoke
Speaker 1: with who has worked at Big Bear Lake for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: thieves who rode around on ATVs would come in and
Speaker 1: have completely destroyed what was left of the property. This
Speaker 1: same worker knew the Rodents and confirmed the work they
Speaker 1: did there. The whole thing is now boarded up, and
Speaker 1: Big Bear Lake's current owner actually plans on bulldozing the
Speaker 1: whole building in a few weeks. The Rodent men all
Speaker 1: working at Big Bear Lake just speaks to what we've
Speaker 1: heard about them before, which is that they're all really
Speaker 1: hard workers and good with their hands. Before the murders,
Speaker 1: Chris Roden Senior worked as a carpenter and Dana Roden
Speaker 1: was working full time, sometimes even double time as a nurse.
Speaker 1: The whole ring of people, the powers that be that
Speaker 1: are not doing what they should be doing, and that's
Speaker 1: why families in Pike County feel like we're forgotten. In
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, most of the big companies in
Speaker 1: charge of plants and mills in the area left Pike County,
Speaker 1: and drug abuse was up at the time of the murders.
Speaker 1: The unemployment rate was also at eight point six percent,
Speaker 1: compared to five point one percent nationwide. You know, you've
Speaker 1: got people that are hard working people segre marijuana. It's
Speaker 1: so bizarre to people outside, you know, the rural communities
Speaker 1: that don't know the goings on. As reported at the
Speaker 1: time of the murders, the Rodents had two hundred marijuana
Speaker 1: plants with a street value of about half a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I thought the cartel did it. I really did. And
Speaker 1: I've talked to people in the area who said they
Speaker 1: swear the cartal did it. Cartel activity in the area
Speaker 1: is documented. In twenty ten, a large marijuana seizure just
Speaker 1: fifteen miles west of piked In was suspected of being
Speaker 1: linked to the Sinaloa cartel. Two years later, another pot
Speaker 1: buzz yielded solid evidence of a campsite set by the
Speaker 1: Mexican nationals. According to a Wagner family insider, it's been
Speaker 1: going on for years and there are rumors that the
Speaker 1: Wagners were wrapped up in it as well. Again, these
Speaker 1: are simply rumors about the Wagners being involved in the
Speaker 1: cartel that we have heard throughout the years. However, it
Speaker 1: seems likely that any potential connections between them were also investigated.
Speaker 1: Maybe they got mixed up with the cartel. Bol I
Speaker 1: live in Chill Coffee and whenever you get down through Waverley,
Speaker 1: they're a big horse table and my whole wife And
Speaker 1: when I say it was legit, cartel lived there, my
Speaker 1: mom and dies at several electric drops form and they
Speaker 1: would even tell you that the horses that they ship
Speaker 1: didn't had drugs in them. And that's why I said
Speaker 1: it was so close too. Then she's referring to the
Speaker 1: cartel location being close to Frederica and George Wagner Senior's
Speaker 1: horse farm. Orge Wagner Senior, which was Billy's father, was
Speaker 1: a drug dealer too, and he would put bags of
Speaker 1: dope and these female horses of vaginas and ship them
Speaker 1: that's FUNDI transported as drugs. It was right in the
Speaker 1: back door. You know what about thee what live at
Speaker 1: your Bible and the horses. It threw me into that thing,
Speaker 1: thinking of the horses with Freddie and them with horses,
Speaker 1: that Mexicans shipping the horses. You know, maybe there was
Speaker 1: something here. I need to point out that we were
Speaker 1: unable to locate any records to support these allegations. Pike
Speaker 1: Din's location suits cartel operations in the Midwest perfectly. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of cartel in that area, and they grow
Speaker 1: in the hills. You know, it's re fertile ground, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's easy to hide. It's also a
Speaker 1: known trafficking route in southern Ohio. US through twenty three
Speaker 1: runs from the state line in Portsmouth north through Piken, Columbus,
Speaker 1: and eventually into Michigan. But before nineteen twenty six, Portsmouth
Speaker 1: was the southern terminus of the road. Three years later
Speaker 1: it was expanded, eventually running all the way to the
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean in Jacksonville, Florida. Now, the two lane divided
Speaker 1: expressway is outdated. Interstate seventy five gets most of the
Speaker 1: legitimate north south traffic in the area, which makes twenty
Speaker 1: three the preferred route of those trying to keep a
Speaker 1: low profile. Maybe it was some crazy thing like that,
Speaker 1: because you know who else would go in and kill
Speaker 1: a Holdian family. It just seems to me that it
Speaker 1: was so personal the murders were to me, especially the
Speaker 1: way Christnior was killed, just how many times he was shot,
Speaker 1: Because if you're just doing this to get kustie of
Speaker 1: a child, you're just going to go in shoot the
Speaker 1: person one time, a couple of times and then lead
Speaker 1: not do what they did to him. When I read
Speaker 1: the autopsy, I mean he was shot in its extremity
Speaker 1: to torso his head. That's overkilled and to me that's anger.
Speaker 1: The autopsies if you really look at them, if you
Speaker 1: really read between the lines and where the paragraphs leading
Speaker 1: up to the redactions, if you really look at it
Speaker 1: and go, oh, okay, that's what's redacted. There was marks
Speaker 1: in the groin area, you know, wounds in the groin area.
Speaker 1: Chris Senior and Frankie Rodent, it appears that they're janitalia
Speaker 1: had been removed. They were tortured, they were mutilated. There
Speaker 1: was marks where not a typical knife would have been used.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about do you know
Speaker 1: what a gaff is. A gaff is a weapon that's
Speaker 1: used by the cartel. Okay, what's it looked like? It
Speaker 1: has like a claw with sharp blades, like Edward scissorhand.
Speaker 1: You think the redacted sections of the autopsy point to
Speaker 1: that type of weapon maybe being used. Yes, we're going
Speaker 1: to take a break. We'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1: The brutality of the Mexican cartel is widely known. It's
Speaker 1: possible all the power brokers in the orbit of the
Speaker 1: piked and massacre we're dealing with something larger and even
Speaker 1: more terrifying than what they had created themselves. Even Sheriff Frieder,
Speaker 1: who was at the time in charge of enforcing the
Speaker 1: law in his dark corner of Ohio, was possibly in
Speaker 1: over his head. Here's Jeff talking about the possibilities of
Speaker 1: what happened the night of April twenty first, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: It all comes full circle back to Reader. When we
Speaker 1: initially got involved in the case, the theory out there
Speaker 1: was that it was the cartel, and that theory was
Speaker 1: put out there by Reader very early on in the
Speaker 1: investigation and is what people thought happened for quite some time.
Speaker 1: I remember talking with Rodin, Kenny's daughter, and this was
Speaker 1: maybe a week or so after the murders happened, and
Speaker 1: it was when Charlie went on TV to do a
Speaker 1: pressor and said that he didn't know the Rodent And
Speaker 1: I remember Kinder looking at me and saying, I don't
Speaker 1: know why he's saying he doesn't know us. He knows
Speaker 1: who we are. I know she just went through hell.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to say, well, how does he
Speaker 1: know you? Or whatever you know, but I always kept
Speaker 1: that in the back of my mind, like it upset
Speaker 1: her that he said he didn't know them. Imagine them
Speaker 1: sitting around a table eaten supper, plotting to kill eight people.
Speaker 1: It's just hard to grasp. Was there a larger and
Speaker 1: much more dangerous element pulling the strings from a distance
Speaker 1: with threats against the Wagner family and others in Piketon.
Speaker 1: And I'm just theorizing, but it's been said to me
Speaker 1: it's possible that Jake is lying because there's death threats
Speaker 1: in some way against them behind bars, which would kind
Speaker 1: of point to a larger issue, whether that's the marijuana
Speaker 1: operation or some fishy dealings, or maybe Billy was in
Speaker 1: other trouble and this was gonna be his way out.
Speaker 1: I think they're involved, but I believe the cartel was
Speaker 1: involved with them. It was too horrendous and happened too
Speaker 1: fast for everything to go down in a time frame
Speaker 1: that it supposedly went down in for having just two
Speaker 1: people to do it, you know what I mean. The
Speaker 1: cartel zoomed in on him, and they let it be
Speaker 1: known that if you don't take a plea, we will
Speaker 1: kill your family, will kill the rest of your family.
Speaker 1: You know, they're wielding this proverbial sword over their heads
Speaker 1: because they are involved. I mean, out of nowhere, he
Speaker 1: took a plea. I do not think Jake could stand
Speaker 1: over Hannah and shoot her, especially with a baby next
Speaker 1: to her. Something is off, Something is not right. It's
Speaker 1: important to note that George the fourth Wagner and his father,
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner have both pleaded not guilty and are presumed innocent.
Speaker 1: No one except for the people who will appear in
Speaker 1: court next month, knows the real truth. It seems like
Speaker 1: there are basically three ways this could play out. It's either,
Speaker 1: as their plea deals would suggest, Jake Wagner has confessed
Speaker 1: to killing five. Who are those five? We do not know.
Speaker 1: That would suggest that either Billy or George are responsible
Speaker 1: for the remaining three. Many accounts would suggest that George
Speaker 1: was not a trigger puller, and that seems to be
Speaker 1: their first line of defense. So what we know for
Speaker 1: a fact is that George Wagner's trial is set to
Speaker 1: start August twenty nine. We're going to learn a lot
Speaker 1: more when George's trial actually begins and we learn more
Speaker 1: about the prosecution's case, but for right now, all we
Speaker 1: can do is sort of guess what might happen, And
Speaker 1: what's being reported so far is that Angela Wagner was
Speaker 1: not present at the time of the murders. Jake Wagner
Speaker 1: has confessed to committing five, and we can sort of
Speaker 1: surmise that because George Wagner saying he didn't kill anyone,
Speaker 1: that Billy Wagner must have killed the other three. This
Speaker 1: theory plays well into what the plea deals have said
Speaker 1: so far, but there are still so many other theories
Speaker 1: to impact. Is it possible that there's another layer to
Speaker 1: this altogether, and the Wagners were in fact tied into
Speaker 1: something nefarious, Whether that's the cartel or not, and there
Speaker 1: was this potential of a custody battle to heat up.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, there does seem to be
Speaker 1: corruption behind the scenes. We know that. So at this
Speaker 1: point there's been so many pieces of the puzzle held
Speaker 1: closed by the prosecution in the defense for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: They want to keep their case sacred. But that's about
Speaker 1: to change once George's trial starts. It shapes everything because
Speaker 1: you'd have to imagine that Billy Wagner's trial is just
Speaker 1: behind it and their stories all better match, or is
Speaker 1: there an entire news story that's evolving real time. We're
Speaker 1: likely going to pause just for a stretch so we
Speaker 1: can have jury's selection happen and really be with you
Speaker 1: when things start to heat up. I think there's a
Speaker 1: curveball coming. Whether or not Angela Wagner was present at
Speaker 1: any or all of the Road family houses on the
Speaker 1: night of the murders has been a huge point of contention.
Speaker 1: Added confusion is that we've read conflicting reports based on
Speaker 1: what was reported on and what we've seen in court.
Speaker 1: What we've understood and have reported on this podcast that
Speaker 1: Angela was at home babysitting the night of the murders. However,
Speaker 1: in looking back one more time through court transcripts, we
Speaker 1: found conflicting reports that said Angela had moved two of
Speaker 1: the bodies. To shed some light on this, we spoke
Speaker 1: to Fox nineteen legal analyst Mike Allen, and she pled
Speaker 1: to conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, which indicates to me
Speaker 1: that she was not there and didn't participate in it.
Speaker 1: Also several counts of aggravated burglary. Now that's trespassing in
Speaker 1: an occupied structure or a structure that could be occupied.
Speaker 1: But the real thing here is tampering with evidence. I
Speaker 1: checked with Mike Shell. He's a reporter here at Fox nineteen.
Speaker 1: He's been following this thing closer than anyone. I said,
Speaker 1: is there any indication that Angela could participate in the homicide?
Speaker 1: And he said no. His understanding was that she was
Speaker 1: at home with a baby or baby. So I think
Speaker 1: the gist of what she pled to is that she
Speaker 1: was not there when it happened, but conspired before the fact.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're so close mouth about this,
Speaker 1: but that would be my speculation. You mentioned the dumping
Speaker 1: tight lips. Is that standard or not standard? What do
Speaker 1: you make of the prosecution not releasing a lot of information.
Speaker 1: You know, they want to keep a lid on it
Speaker 1: because it's just got so many tentacles and goes in
Speaker 1: so many different directions, and I think they're probably inundated
Speaker 1: with media request. But I will say this, it's highly unusual.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I don't ever remember a
Speaker 1: trial that I've been involved with, or that I've even
Speaker 1: heard of here in Hamilton County where that's happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: the every document that's filed in the Clerk of Courts
Speaker 1: office is put online unless the judge orders its sealed
Speaker 1: and judge is here, and don't routinely do that unless
Speaker 1: there's a legitimate law enforcement reason to do it. So
Speaker 1: that's got me baff all. I tell you, I'm sure
Speaker 1: would make everybody job easier. Let's stop here for another break.
Speaker 1: Just when we think we know everything about this case
Speaker 1: and things are wrapping up, we find something else out
Speaker 1: and more information comes out, and it's clear that with
Speaker 1: the Rodent and the Wagner case, that's really expect the unexpected. Ultimately, though,
Speaker 1: eight members of the Rodent, Manly and Gilly family were
Speaker 1: killed in their homes and I think I speak for
Speaker 1: the entire team here at Katsy Studios, but getting to
Speaker 1: the bottom of what happened is really in the name
Speaker 1: of finding justice for the family. We hope to honor
Speaker 1: not only the victims, but also the lives and the
Speaker 1: people that they left behind. In speaking with their family members,
Speaker 1: loved ones, and friends, it's really hard to move on
Speaker 1: without knowing exactly what happened that night, and with the
Speaker 1: trials finally coming up, the hope is that we can
Speaker 1: at least give some sort of end to this horrible
Speaker 1: chapter of their lives. While we wait for jury selection
Speaker 1: and the trial of George the Fourth to begin, we
Speaker 1: will continue to follow leads. We are humbled beyond measure
Speaker 1: with what the community of Pike County and family members
Speaker 1: have shared with us. For now, we leave you with
Speaker 1: a message we've recently received from one of the surviving
Speaker 1: road and family members. Just know that my family, they
Speaker 1: were good people, loving and kind, very protective, would help
Speaker 1: anyone in need. I believe in loyalty, hard work, and honesty.
Speaker 1: If you did not honor these, then you were not anyone. Family,
Speaker 1: the Bible and God. That's what they live for. Next
Speaker 1: week's episode will be the final episode of this current season.
Speaker 1: It's one we recorded live in front of an audience
Speaker 1: at Crime Con in Las Vegas. After that, we'll pause
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