1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: live weekdays at. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 2: One Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app and 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Or listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: The talk, of course, is all about another indictment, after 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: Donald Trump revealed on truth Social that he got a 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: letter from the DOJ at target. Letter says the notice 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: arrived Sunday night. This from Special Counsel Jack Smith, who 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: was investigating Donald Trump's actions to not only deal with 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: the matters of January sixth, but his attempts to overturn 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election. Now this is separate from the 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 3: classified documents case. This is the other one we've been 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: waiting for. The letter says that he is the target 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: of the grand jury investigating election related actions and says 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 3: he was given quote a very short four days to 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: report to the grand jury unquote, remembering that Donald Trump 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: has been Donald Trump's biggest leaker on all of the 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: legal actions that we've been privy to so far, We've 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 3: heard about all of them from Trump first, and reaction 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: has been flowing in here because everyone seems to be 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 3: taking this seriously. Most Republicans coming to his defense, the 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy. 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: Well, I guess under a Biden administration, Biden America, you'd 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: expect this if you notice recently President Trump went up 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 4: in the polls and was actually surpassing President Biden for reelection. 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: So what do they do now, weaponize government to go 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: after their number one opponent. 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 5: It's time and time again. 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 6: I think the. 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 4: American public is tired of this. They want to have 32 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: see equal justice, and the idea that they utilize this 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 4: to go after those who politically disagree with him is wrong. 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: Well, we should note that, of course, this investigation has 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: been going on for many more months than the recent 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: surge in the polls that Donald Trump has been enjoying 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: on the campaign trail. But we're glad to have a 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: moment with Michael Zelden following these headlines breaking. The former 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: federal prosecutor, former special counsel Tobert Mulder, while at the DOJ, 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: is with us now live on Bloomberg Radio. Michael, thank 41 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: you for joining. Is Donald Trump writ this unfolds in 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: the next four. 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 6: Days, Well, no one knows for sure, but target letters 44 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 6: are usually eleventh hour letters. And he was given the opportunity, 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 6: according to the reporting in this letter, to testify before 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 6: the Grand Jury, which I'm sure he's going to decline 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 6: almost all prospective defendant's decline, and then Jack Smith will 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 6: have to make his final decision. The interesting question will 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 6: be on what charges will a second indictment lie, because 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 6: there are a lot of different threads to this story 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 6: that we just don't know which one he's going to 52 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 6: pick up. 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 3: Assuming the January sixth Committee gave us a bit of 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: a roadmap, does that begin with obstruction? 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 6: Well, it cadn't in my view, have an obstruction component 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 6: to it. But the more sort of telling or easily 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 6: told story is the fake elector's conspiracy to defraud the 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 6: United States scheme, because there it seems that you have 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 6: a lot of people who have testified before the Grand 60 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 6: Jury over many many months, who have said, essentially except 61 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 6: for Jared Kushner, that the President knew he lost, yet 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 6: he embarked on this scheme to defraud the American people 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 6: by promoting false electors to allow Pence the opportunity to 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 6: decertify the original electors and send us back to the States. 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 6: That I think is the most easily understood component of 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 6: this January sixth investigation. And that's where I think if 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 6: I were Smith, I might start with. But Smith knows 68 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 6: his evidence way better than anybody else, of course. 69 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: So seizing voting machines, the fake slate of electors, the 70 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: pressure campaign against Mike Pennson, sort of the Rudy Giuliani 71 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: component of the Stop the Steel movement is what you're saying. 72 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 6: That's right. That bundle of activity, which is all is 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 6: the actioning of the big lie theory is what I 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 6: think is most easily understood by the American people as criminal. 75 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 6: That you really just can't put forth false electors who 76 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 6: claim to be real, who are lying on government forms 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 6: at your behest, and have that not be considered a 78 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 6: criminal act. 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: How about the events of January sixth, That would be 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: a completely different component. And I suspect that the charges 81 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: don't have to reflect everything that the Special Council was investigating, right. 82 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 6: Exactly, nor does it have to be the last of 83 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 6: the indictments. The fact that there is a prospective indictment 84 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 6: doesn't mean this is the last indictment. There could be 85 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 6: other follow on indictments, but it would seem to me 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 6: that there is the avenues of conspiracy to interfere with 87 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 6: the election that we've just talked about, the obstruction of 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 6: the investigation, similar to the Marolago Document's case, and then 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 6: a conspiracy to commit some sort of insurrection. I think 90 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 6: that's a much harder case to bring because you have 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 6: to create a link between Trump and the insurrectionists or 92 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 6: perhaps Eve Bannen Roger Stone, if they were the link 93 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 6: to the insurrectionists, and in the public reporting, I just 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 6: haven't seen yet a solid line making that connection. It 95 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 6: seems dotted. It seems that they were communicating, but not 96 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 6: necessarily enough to say this is a conspiracy to commit 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 6: insurrection like we saw with the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers. 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's really important analysis here, because a lot of 99 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: folks think of this as the so called January sixth investigation. 100 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: It's entirely likely then, in your view, that will not 101 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: be included in the charges. 102 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 6: It's I think the hardest case to bring. It's the 103 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 6: most politically fraud case to bring. And as prosecutors, we 104 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 6: used to say, all we need to do is hit 105 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 6: singles and doubles. We don't need to hit grand slam 106 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 6: home runs in the bottom of the ninth in the 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 6: seventh game of the World Series. We get what we 108 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 6: need with a single and a double conviction. And so 109 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 6: why Jack Smith would undertake that would be a bit 110 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 6: of a surprise to me, because remember too, that Jack 111 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 6: Smith has an obligation under the regulations that govern his 112 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 6: actions to write a final report. So he can write 113 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 6: up in a final report all of the stuff that 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 6: we're talking about without having to go through the trouble 115 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 6: of indicting it and proving it beyond a reasonable doubts. 116 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 6: So he might say, I'm going to indict that which 117 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 6: is most easily which is most readily understandable by the 118 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 6: American public, which is least politically fraught, and then I'll 119 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 6: make a detailed report sort of like January sixth Report, 120 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 6: Part two, and lay out everything that I've learned through 121 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 6: the grand jury, leave. 122 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: A trail of crumbs. 123 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: Maybe, Michael Zelden, it was reported that Donald Trump was 124 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: and I think still is, having trouble assembling a big 125 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: enough legal team to handle the challenges already posed against him. 126 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: Does he have to start from scratch here? 127 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 6: Now? 128 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: This is going to be a whole separate set of lawyers. 129 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: How does he do that. How much does that cost? 130 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 6: Well, it costs a lot millions of dollars to have 131 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 6: a good criminal defense lawyer defend you on charges of 132 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 6: this sort. And yes, it would seem to me that 133 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 6: the lawyers who are handling the Maro Lago documents case 134 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 6: would not have the bandwidth to also handle this case, 135 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 6: and that would mean two separate sets of lawyers. Actually, 136 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 6: he really should have four sets of lawyers, Gregia lawyers. 137 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 6: If there's an indictment in New York Alan Bragg case, 138 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 6: if there's a group that will take just that case, 139 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 6: the mar A Lago and then this respective case. Do 140 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 6: you really can't do as a lawyer justice to all 141 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 6: these four cases at the same time. 142 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: It's just stunning to think about this. You could add 143 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: Fulton County, which I don't we got the last I heard, 144 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: we were expecting that to come out in August. I mean, 145 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: talk about spinning multiple plates at the same time. He's 146 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: going to be running for president. Michael, How does that happen. 147 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: How's it possible? 148 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 6: I don't know he has If you just make a spreadsheet, 149 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 6: We've got New York is indicted, mar A Lago is indicted. 150 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 6: We have the prospect of an indictment in this January 151 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 6: sixth case, We've got the prospect of an indictment in Georgia. 152 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 6: We know we've got a lawsuit with Letitia James, the 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 6: civil lawsuit in New York. And we know we've got 154 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 6: the Ejene Carroll Part two of the defamation case. So 155 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 6: he's got these all at the same time while trying 156 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 6: to run for president. It's just not humanly possible that 157 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 6: you can do all of those things unless he decides 158 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 6: to be a disinterested participant in his criminal or civil defenses, right, 159 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 6: and that's you know, that's up to him. Look, he 160 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 6: decided to run for president, he knew that these things 161 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 6: were in the offing. Some will say, cynically, the only 162 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 6: reason he ran for president is that, as his spokesman 163 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 6: said in the setup before we joined this conversation, that oh, 164 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 6: this is just to punish him politically. Some will say 165 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 6: the reason he's running is so that he can have 166 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 6: that argument. Because he wasn't running, then they has no 167 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 6: argument other than I didn't do it, which is something 168 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 6: you do in the courtroom. So I don't know how. 169 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 6: I don't know how he does this, but it's got 170 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 6: to be nerve wracking. 171 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: Spending time with former federal prosecutor Michael Zelden, what did 172 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: you make of Speaker McCarthy's comment that this is the 173 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: weaponization of government, the weaponization of justice, because Donald Trump 174 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: is doing well in the polls. 175 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 6: I just think that that's a false argument. These investigations 176 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 6: started long before Donald Trump decided that he was going 177 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 6: to run for president. They continue at the same sort 178 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 6: of pace, notwithstanding his desider to run for president and 179 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 6: the fact that he's running for president, if anything, puts 180 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 6: pressure on the DOJ to try to wrap up these 181 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 6: cases for indictment and trial earlier than they might want 182 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 6: to do so. I don't think there's any advantage to 183 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 6: the prosecution that he's running for president, perhaps a disadvantage, 184 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 6: And I don't think the decision to investigate has anything 185 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 6: to do with him rising or falling in the polls. 186 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 6: I think it's just a false argument. 187 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. You and I have had 188 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: conversations on some pretty remarkable days. Maybe we'll do this 189 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: again when we get some official news. We appreciate the 190 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: perspective as always. Michael Zelden, former federal prosecutor and for 191 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: Special counsel to Robert Mahler while out the DOJ. You 192 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: may have your opinions about Robert Moller politically. I know 193 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: that might light up some people, but Michael has been 194 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: a terribly reliable voice for us through this whole thing. 195 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: He's been there and great to hear from somebody who 196 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: understands really what we're talking about, not unlike our panel 197 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis Bloomberg Politics contributors are back 198 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: with us today and just dying to get your reaction. Here. Genie, 199 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to start with you in this case, because 200 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: you had an important column out this week that talked 201 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: about the impact or a lack thereof, of additional indictments 202 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: against Donald Trump, and obviously, you guys are our political panelists, 203 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: not legal analysts. That's actually going to help him in 204 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: the near term. 205 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and I'm so glad you said that, 206 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 7: because it is not going to help him, certainly in 207 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 7: the court of law. That is entirely separate from what 208 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 7: I'm talking about. But when it comes to public opinion, 209 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 7: when it comes to persuasion, one of the things we 210 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 7: know as social scientists is that less is always more 211 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 7: When you're trying to persuade people of something. So we 212 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 7: think of this notion of averaging or dilution effect, that 213 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 7: when I give you tons of information about something, you 214 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 7: average it together. So if we get a lot of 215 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 7: information about Donald Trump, some of it less important than others. 216 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 7: The research shows that I've been doing that, people average 217 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 7: that out and they see the charges then as less serious. 218 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 7: And so that averaging effect is the idea that this 219 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 7: kind of huge amount, as you say, just you know, 220 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 7: you were talking to Michael Zeldon, just absurd amount of indictments, 221 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 7: another indictment after another, actually to a certain extent, ends 222 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 7: up helping Donald Trump in the end when it comes 223 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 7: to people making a decision about the seriousness of any 224 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 7: one of these charges. Again in the court of public opinion, 225 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 7: not in the court of law, where they're going to 226 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 7: have a jury, and those people will have very specific 227 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 7: charges to hear. And so that, you know, in part, 228 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 7: explains why this hasn't hurt him in the court of 229 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 7: public opinion. In fact, it seems to have helped him. 230 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: It's incredible stuff. This could end up being another historic moment. 231 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: It appears to be Rick Davis, the president former president, 232 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: writes quote, a very short four days to report to 233 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: the grand jury almost always means an arrested indictment. Has 234 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: he gained credibility in your eyes at least when it 235 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: comes to leaking his own legal actions? Sometimes sometimes not? 236 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 8: I mean some of the early New York indictments, he's 237 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 8: kind of got the whole process wrong. So you know, look, 238 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 8: I mean, this is just who he is as an individual, right, forget, 239 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 8: even as a presidential candidate. He's been fighting legal challenges 240 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 8: his entire life almost and certainly his entire professional life. 241 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 8: And and he is an aggressive counterattacker, right, He doesn't dodge, 242 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 8: He counterattacks. And this is totally consistent with the Donald Trump. 243 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 8: Everybody in the construction business in New York knows and 244 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 8: we've learned about before. So it's in keeping with his profile. 245 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 8: Whether it actually pays off politically for him or not, 246 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 8: I don't know, right, I mean, it is unprecedented what 247 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 8: we're witnessing in this presidential election, and nobody can actually guess, right, 248 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 8: because we just don't know what these outcomes are. Those 249 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 8: people who said the early indictments were hurt him, ye're wrong. 250 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 8: No telling what will happen from this point on. 251 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: We certainly know what he thinks about Jack Smith. Jack 252 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: you know, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, we 253 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: know Jack Smith. 254 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 9: What do you think his name used to be? 255 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: I don't know anybody. Jack Smith sounds so innocent. He's deranged. 256 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: We'll have more with Rick and Jeanie next. I'm Joe Matthew. 257 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg. 258 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 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This 268 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: is the Special Council, Jack Smith and the second investigation, 269 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: the one after the classified documents. As we reassembled our 270 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: panel with Rick Davis and Gen Schanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors, 271 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: and a lot of reaction coming in. If you were 272 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: with us, earlier, you heard from Speaker Kevin McCarthy, and 273 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: what's probably the most full throated support that Donald Trump 274 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: has heard today in Washington. 275 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 4: Well, I guess under a Biden administration of Biden America, 276 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: you'd expect this if you noticed recently, President Trump went 277 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: up in the polls and was actually surpassing President Biden 278 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: for reelection. So what do they do now, weaponize government? 279 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: To weaponize government number one opponent. Let's see how the 280 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: panel feels about that, Rick Davis. We remember Kevin McCarthy 281 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: in the wake of January sixth, Remember the phone call 282 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: that was recorded. He was talking to Liz Cheney that day, 283 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: talking about how he would make a call down to 284 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: mar A Lago and tell Donald Trump that he recommended 285 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: that he resigned. This is what it sounded like. 286 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 10: I do not want to get in any conversation about 287 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 10: Penn's partying I got. 288 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: I mean, the only discussion I would. 289 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 11: Have with him is that I think this will pass, 290 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 11: and it would be my recommendation. 291 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: We should be by he should resign. He hasn't endorsed 292 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: him in the presidential campaign, Rick, but it doesn't seem 293 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: there as much that Donald Trump can do that Kevin 294 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: McCarthy doesn't agree with. 295 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 8: Actually, I think the advice to resign would have been good. 296 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 8: He probably would not be getting indicted potentially by the 297 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 8: Department of Justice in the next week. Look, I mean, 298 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 8: you know, he's been all over the map, the speaker. 299 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 8: You know, he condemned Trump's behavior on January sixth publicly 300 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 8: and then went down to mar A Lago and forgave 301 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 8: him or forgot It's kind of hard to tell which. 302 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: But look, we've talked. 303 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 8: About this a lot on the show, especially related to 304 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 8: important legislation. He's a bit of a captive of the 305 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 8: MAGA crowd. Now he's speaker, but he's only speaker as 306 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 8: long as they want him to be. And uh and 307 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 8: so it's not a surprise to me that he, you know, 308 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 8: aped the same comments you know, by the Freedom Caucus 309 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 8: and others that you know, in fact, this is just 310 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 8: a weaponization of an administration. Uh And and and I 311 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 8: guess he's forgotten about all the efforts that Donald Trump 312 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 8: used the Justice Department for to you know, weaponize it 313 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 8: against his political enemies. So maybe he's right. Maybe we 314 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 8: just got to find a way to get the Justice 315 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 8: Department more confidence in the public eye so that they're 316 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 8: not seen as political arbiters. 317 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: Reaction coming in as well from the campaign trail of 318 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: those running against Donald Trump, No one's really outwardly condemning this. 319 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: Listen to Ron DeSantis from earlier today. 320 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 5: I think it was shown how he was in the 321 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 5: White House and didn't do anything while while things were 322 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 5: going on. He should have come out more forcefully, of 323 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: course that but to try to criminalize that, that's a 324 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 5: different That's a different issue entirely. And I think that 325 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 5: we we want to be in a situation where, you know, 326 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 5: you don't have one side just constantly trying to put 327 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 5: the other side in jail, and that, unfortunately is. 328 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: Which is actually you know, one side talking about putting 329 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: the other side in jail is something that we've actually 330 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: grown quite familiar with. Should there the last couple of years, 331 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: I tend to hear this most Trump rallies, Genie, is 332 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: that going to be the new line? Ronda Santis just 333 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: carved it out there. Donald Trump should have been more forceful, 334 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: as he said on January sixth, i e. Asking people 335 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: to leave the Capitol, But this indictment would be a 336 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: bridge too far. 337 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think this explains by Trumps running what 338 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 7: now thirty four points ahead of Ron DeSantis because the 339 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 7: way to the election is going to be through Donald 340 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 7: Trump and Ronda Santis doesn't seem to have figured that out, 341 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 7: so he has these tepid responses. You know, oh, he 342 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 7: was sitting in the White House. He should have come 343 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 7: out more forcefullly. But and anything before a butt is 344 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 7: a lie. Let's not criminalize, let's not weaponize this. Let's 345 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 7: you know, let's just take a hands off approach. I mean, 346 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 7: I think it's important to remember what we're talking about here. 347 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 7: We're talking about the first attempt in American history that 348 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 7: we know of to disrupt a peaceful transfer of power 349 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 7: that goes to the foundation of what we are. And 350 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 7: Ron DeSantis and Kevin McCarthy, for all the reasons Rick 351 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 7: and you just talked about, are trying to sort of 352 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 7: back you know, backpedal on this. And you've got Nicky 353 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 7: Haley a slightly more full throated response talking about drama. Yeah, 354 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 7: you know, that seems to be a new buzzword to 355 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 7: your point. But you know, they're going to have to 356 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 7: realize that they are running against Donald Trump at this point. 357 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 7: They are you know, obviously very frightened about this base 358 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 7: and they are scared to say anything more full throated 359 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 7: about it. But what they're going to end up doing 360 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 7: is handing this primary over to Donald Trump if they 361 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 7: keep it up. 362 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: Everything before butt is a lie. Did your mom say 363 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: that or did you say that to your kids? 364 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 7: Well, you know, I wish, I wish I made that up. 365 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 7: I have a your friend who taught me that, and 366 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 7: and a mentor I stuck with it. It's very true. 367 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: I love rum to think about it. But oh god, yeah, 368 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: I have them changing everything now. All right, we just 369 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: in just a few minutes time, we're going to be 370 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: joining Shanali bask in her important conversation with the CEO 371 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: of Morgan Stanley. But you mentioned Nikki Haley. She did 372 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: react to this a little bit differently. We have different 373 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 3: shades of reaction as usual here earlier today on Fox Listen. 374 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 12: I mean, the rest of this primary election is going 375 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 12: to be in reference to Trump, is going to be 376 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 12: about lawsuits. It's going to be about legal fees, it's 377 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 12: going to be about judges, and it's just going to 378 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 12: continue to be a further and further distraction. And that's 379 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 12: why I am running is because we need a new 380 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 12: generational leader. We can't keep dealing with this drama. We 381 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 12: can't keep dealing with the negativity, we can't keep dealing. 382 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 3: With all of this, Rick Davis, will we hear more 383 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: of that on the campaign trail? Is that closer to 384 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: the mark? 385 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 9: Yeah? 386 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 8: I think she's actually echoing something that Chris Christie's been 387 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 8: talking about, which is, you know this idea that this 388 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 8: distraction actually loses us elections, right, And so she didn't 389 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 8: make the final push that says this is a losing strategy. 390 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 8: But she's right on the edge, and I do think 391 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 8: that is one of the more persuasive arguments to Republican 392 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 8: primary voters, which is, hey, we just want to win, 393 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 8: and if this baggage of recycling the twenty twenty election 394 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 8: continues to keep our focus away from winning, then we 395 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 8: need someone who isn't going to be hung up in that. 396 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 8: And I'm actually surprised all the candidates aren't talking about 397 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 8: that because it comes across loud and clear. Even with 398 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 8: Trump supporters is as much as they like him, they 399 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 8: want to win the next election. They don't want Joe 400 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 8: Biden to be present, and they want someone who can 401 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 8: actually clearly give them a victory. 402 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: This would be pretty remarkable stuff, Genie. We talked about 403 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: it with Michael Zelden earlier in the hour, the idea 404 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 3: of Donald Trump carrying four indictments, also funding four separate 405 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: legal teams, maybe more, because you know, you can add 406 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 3: the other to this as well. That doesn't involve the 407 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: election or the classified documents. I mean, is his campaign 408 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: gonna have to pay for this whole thing. 409 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 7: I'm sure of one thing. He will not pay for 410 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 7: it out of his pocket, So I suspect that's what's 411 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 7: gonna happen. I think we also know. You know, obviously 412 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 7: Michael Zeldon is right, he should have separate attorneys and 413 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 7: all these cases to manage all of this. It's going 414 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 7: to be incredibly expensive. To your point, but let's not 415 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 7: forget the more they want to drag this out, have 416 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 7: Matt Blanche have one attorney, say he's handling all of them. 417 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 7: He is one person. He can't be in four or 418 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 7: five six places at once. At this point. That means 419 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 7: they have to keep pushing this back because as somebody 420 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 7: in our criminal process, at this point, Trump has a 421 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 7: right to have whoever he wants to defend him. So 422 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 7: because Donald Trump is not thinking about the legal aspects 423 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 7: of this, apparently he's more interested in the political I 424 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 7: suspect he is going to try to use those types 425 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 7: of you know, things that no other defendant would do, 426 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 7: like using one attorney to stretch this thing out. And 427 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 7: I'm just waiting to hear that. The the other thing, 428 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 7: I think we're waiting to hear who else has gotten 429 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 7: a target letter like this? Who else are they going after? 430 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 7: They are still questioning people on this case apparently, and 431 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 7: so that's going to be fascinating. And did anybody else 432 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 7: turn on Trump as anybody cooperating? We think the team 433 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 7: thinks that Mark Meadows may be cooperating, So that's going 434 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 7: to be fascinating as well. 435 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: There's still so much to learn and we'll of course 436 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: be talking about all of it with our panel A 437 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: Great Dive with Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributors. 438 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 439 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one. 440 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app and the 441 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Business app, or listening on demand wherever you get 442 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: your podcasts. 443 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: There's a big deal for those who self identify as deadheads. 444 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: The final show of Dead and Company this week in 445 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 3: San Francisco, as noted on the floor of the US 446 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: House by deadhead Wiley Nickel, Democratic Congressman from North Carolina. 447 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 9: Thank you, Matt Speaker. 448 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 11: I rise today to celebrate and pay tribute to the 449 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 11: grateful Dead. Last night, the Dead and Company closed out 450 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 11: their final act in San Francisco, and while this marks 451 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 11: the end of an era, it also gives us an 452 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 11: opportunity to reflect on the immense impact they've had on 453 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 11: generations of fans. Jerry Garcia said it best when he said, 454 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 11: maybe we're just one of the last adventures in America. 455 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: Oh Man, and not just an adventure for Democrats and liberals. 456 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: I've always been amazed at how popular the Dead he 457 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: is among Republicans, despite the tie dies and the weed 458 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: smoking the LSD. Not only j Powell start asking around 459 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: remember the whole Bill Weld fascination. I actually found a 460 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: poll by Public Opinion Strategies and the Melman Group from 461 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen found the Dead has a forty six percent 462 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: hard name idea among Republicans, compared with thirty seven percent 463 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: among Democrats. Republicans turns out just as likely to be 464 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 3: grateful dead fans. Democrats are Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzano. Rick, 465 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 3: what is it about Republicans and the dead? 466 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 467 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 8: I think it's the message. You know, they they they are, 468 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 8: They're attracted to the truth. Just keep on trucking. 469 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I like that. Genie, who knew it? Were 470 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: you aware of this? 471 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 7: I was, look at all of you driving that train. 472 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 7: There you go, Joe Matthew, that's from Casey Jones. I 473 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 7: did that for you. And let me say nineteen ninety seven. 474 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 7: Library of Congress recognizes trucking' as a National treasure. From 475 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 7: American Beauty nineteen seventy. I am full of trivia on 476 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 7: the dead. I've been to a dead show. I'm not 477 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 7: a dead head, but I've been to a dead show. 478 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 7: They were amazing. 479 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 3: First of all, I want that story. So do the 480 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: students in your class know who the dead are? 481 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 7: I'm frightened to say, I'm not sure. I'll check and 482 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 7: get back to you on that. 483 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: I mean John Mayer eighteen or something. I know exactly. 484 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 3: That's why I wanted. John Mayer is part of the Well. 485 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: He was part of the band of two nights ago. 486 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: They know who he is in these places? Maybe not 487 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: Jerry Garcia, all right, Rick Davis, Jeanie Shanse, No, we 488 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 3: thank you as always. It's our signature panel here on 489 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: sound On. I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. Gonna go find 490 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 3: Kaylee Lines. Oh that's because hour too. Sound On starts 491 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: writing up. 492 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the 493 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern. 494 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: On Bloomberg Radio, the tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and. 495 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: The Bloomberg Business App. You can also listen live on 496 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station, Just say 497 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 498 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna be watching the polls now to see if 499 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: there's another indictment bump. Assuming there is another indictment, that's 500 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 3: what Donald Trump says that he was given quote a 501 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 3: very short four days to report to the grand jury 502 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: for testimony. Says he expects to be charged because such 503 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: a move quote almost always means interrested and indictment. Such 504 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: a move would be the target letter that he apparently 505 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: received from Special counsel Jack Smith. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington, 506 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: along with Kaylee lines. There are questions Kayley about whether 507 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: there are other target letters, by the way, that he 508 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: may not be the only one here, and we have 509 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: no information on that yet. But we do have to 510 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: acknowledge how little we know in this case. I guess 511 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: according to the President he's been offered a chance to 512 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: appear before the grand jury. That tends not to happen. 513 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 3: But this does tend to be followed within days by 514 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: a federal charge or charges. So this is going to 515 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: be really something interesting to watch unfold. 516 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, we have to hedge all of our conversation around 517 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 10: this on the idea that this is what we're hearing 518 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 10: from Trump himself, not necessarily from anyone else, Justice Department included. 519 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 10: And remember when he first was going to be arrested 520 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 10: for the first time in the New York case, but 521 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 10: he said that arrest was going to happen days before 522 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 10: it actually did so quite a few days. It goes 523 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 10: to show you he's not always the most reliable source 524 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 10: on these matters, So word of caution there. Nonetheless, though 525 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 10: this has captured all of the political oxygen here in 526 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 10: Washington for the Trump camp and then of course those 527 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 10: who are competing against him seeking the Republican nomination, other 528 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 10: candidates who were hoping to grab some spotlight today, like 529 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 10: Ron de Santis now having to share that perhaps. 530 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: You said it. Let's take a snapshot of the baseline, 531 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: because we're going to look back on this day right 532 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: see where is polling data was, where his approval numbers 533 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: stood when he made the announcement, and then where they 534 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: might go in the days ahead, which might include another 535 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: indictment dropping new numbers from interactive polls. Here as we 536 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 3: prepare to talk to Chris Caldari from Saint Anselm College, 537 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: this is from the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. 538 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: Donald Trump at thirty seven percent. That's down five from April, 539 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: followed by Ron De Santis at twenty three percent, up 540 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: one from April. Everything else after that is single digits. 541 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: Although Tim Scott is looming large in this poll, not 542 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: only at eight percent to lead the rest of the pack, 543 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: but he's got the highest approval numbers, the highest favorables, 544 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: I should say, in this whole poll. So Trump thirty seven, 545 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: let's just remember that put at the back of your 546 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: head on this eighteenth of July. Of course, he's got 547 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: she's in the fifty percent range in some. 548 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 10: Other Yeah, much wider differential between him and DeSantis and 549 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 10: other pole. 550 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely, the aforementioned Chris Kaldieri is with US political science 551 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: professor at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire. Chris, it's 552 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 3: great to have you back. I wonder if you're hearing 553 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: about this today, if this is the talk on the 554 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: ground in New Hampshire, in a state that Donald Trump 555 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: will need to win. 556 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, And I think it's hard to talk about anything else. 557 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 9: You have a former president announcing that he's likely to 558 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 9: be indicted and for the third time this year. You know, 559 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 9: it's really tough to focus on anything else. And I 560 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 9: think that's to be detriment of folks like you know, 561 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 9: Ron de Santis, Tim Scott, Nicky Haley, whoever else it 562 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 9: is trying to make headway because you know, they there's 563 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 9: no air in the room for anything but this, I think. 564 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 10: Well, and especially after coming off the second quarter FEC 565 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 10: filings and knowing the money that people are working with, 566 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 10: isn't this just free attention for for Trump? He just 567 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 10: you know, earns his way into the media cycle. He's 568 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 10: not going to have to spend as much in states 569 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 10: like New Hampshire and other candidates are perhaps going to 570 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 10: have to double down to even get any oxygen. 571 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's right. Plus, you know, everybody knows 572 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 9: who he is. There's there's none of the getting to 573 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 9: know you phase that somebody like Tim Scott or Doug 574 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 9: Burgham needs. Everybody knows who Donald Trump is. You know, 575 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 9: he doesn't have to do you know, coffees with voters 576 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 9: or go handshaking in diners in the same way that 577 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 9: lesser known candidates do. That said, you know, this is 578 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 9: you know, his third indictment this year. This should be 579 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 9: really bad news for his campaign. But so far, you know, 580 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 9: his opponents are still sort of, you know, at best, 581 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 9: making these sort of lukewarm criticisms like gosh, gee, wouldn't 582 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 9: it be nice to have a candidate who wasn't going 583 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 9: to be on trial during the campaign And I'm not sure, 584 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 9: you know, I don't, I just be does not seem 585 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 9: like enough to make headway against Trump in this primary. 586 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: Wow, who are you seeing the most of right now? 587 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: Is it Chris Christy? Actually on the ground, Chris. 588 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 9: Christy has been up here a lot. Will heard. The 589 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 9: former congressman from Texas has been in the state a 590 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 9: fair amount. And then, of course last night we had 591 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 9: Joe Manchin appearing at a No Labels event. But you know, 592 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 9: God knows what Joe Manchin is thinking at any given moment. 593 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 9: If he's going to become a candidate for president, run 594 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 9: for reelection, go fishing, you know, really, you know, any 595 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 9: of the above could could be what he winds up 596 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 9: doing next year. 597 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 10: I'm so glad you brought that up, Chris. Let's hear 598 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 10: from Senator Joe Manchin last night school. 599 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: I've been races to win, and I getting a race 600 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: I want to win, So. 601 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 3: I get into the race. I'm gonna be in decision. 602 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: Haven't made a decision. Yeah, you could hardly hear. 603 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: What do you saying? 604 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: They're but important to add to the conversation. 605 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 10: Yeah, you kind of have to strain the ears. But 606 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 10: the question he was asked Chris that elicited that response 607 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 10: was kind of an unfinished sentence, if you spoil the race, 608 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 10: to which he said, no, no, I don't get into 609 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 10: things to spoil. But isn't is that what No Labels 610 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 10: would do if this were to happen, if it were 611 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 10: Mansion or another candidate. 612 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 9: I think that's probably the most likely outcome. You know, 613 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 9: in America, we tend to elect Democrats and Republicans. Every 614 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 9: once in a while an independent will squeak through for 615 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 9: governor of Connecticut or something like that, or you know, 616 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 9: somebody like Bernie Sanders or Angus King in the Senate. 617 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 9: But for president, it is just the electoral college makes 618 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 9: it really, really, really really hard to win as a 619 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 9: third party candidate. You don't just have to get more 620 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 9: votes than the other candidates the way you do if 621 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 9: you're running for you know, governor of Maine or something. 622 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 9: You have to get more votes than the other candidates 623 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 9: in enough states to get you to two hundred and 624 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 9: seventy electoral votes. That is, you know, no one's ever 625 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 9: done that. Every president since Abraham Lincoln has been a 626 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 9: Democrat or a Republican. It's really tough to even think 627 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 9: of somebody who's come close. And I think going into 628 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 9: twenty twenty four, you know, if you put up a 629 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 9: candidate like Mansion, who is you know, kind of a 630 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 9: moderate to conservative Democrat from a state that Donald Trump 631 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 9: you know, carries by twenty points when he runs for president, 632 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 9: you know, I don't see that really coming out of 633 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 9: Trump's vote. I think that would mainly come come away 634 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 9: from voters who would otherwise be inclined to vote for Biden. 635 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 9: And when you look at how close so many states 636 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 9: were in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen, you know, it's 637 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 9: it's pretty easy to imagine a world where, you know, 638 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 9: the vote for a no Labels candidate makes the difference 639 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 9: in places like Pennsylvania and Georgia and Wisconsin and those 640 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 9: other swing states that we were all focused on four 641 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 9: years ago. 642 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: But Chris no Labels was deliberate in choosing New Hampshire 643 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 3: for this event and your campus at st and SLM. 644 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: There's something about the you know, the spirit of independence 645 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 3: in New Hampshire, right they're hoping that if this movement 646 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: has a chance, it's going to start there. 647 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, And I think New Hampshire, you know, it's a 648 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 9: weird state. Uh, politically, it has a lot of undeclared voters, 649 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 9: it has a lot of you know this this is 650 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 9: sort of ground zero for never Trump Republicans, who are 651 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 9: you know, a significant chunk of that party, but not 652 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 9: enough to keep Trump or Trump like candidates from getting nominations. 653 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 9: As we've seen over the last few years. You know, 654 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 9: I thought it was really interesting that our governor, our 655 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 9: Republican governor, Chris Sununu, was in the audience last night. 656 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 9: You know, you could you know again, he's somebody who 657 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 9: had sort of poked around the idea of running in 658 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 9: twenty twenty four and then decided against it. But what 659 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 9: if you know No Labels comes back to him next 660 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 9: spring and says, oh, gosh, Joe Manchin's not interested, would 661 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 9: you like to be our candidate? And suddenly you have 662 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 9: a young conservative governor from a swing state in the mix. 663 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 9: He's a conservative Republican, but he doesn't present himself as 664 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 9: a culture warrior, you know his you know, you have 665 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 9: you know, Trump with his really aggressive persona chrisnun who 666 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 9: sort of tries to come across as that friendly dad 667 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 9: you know from your kid's softball team or something like that. 668 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 9: You know, maybe that would you know, uh mix up 669 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 9: the race too. So you know, I think, you know, 670 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 9: there are a lot of places this could go. But 671 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 9: it's still tough to see how it ends in a 672 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 9: you know, No Labels party candidate taking office in twenty 673 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 9: twenty five. 674 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: I still haven't found anyone, Kaylie, to say anything different 675 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: about that. Yep, Hey, Chris, great to talk to you. 676 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming to see us. We're going to meet 677 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: up there in New Hampshire one of these days soon. 678 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: Chris Calderi at Saint Anselm College, a day after the 679 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: No Labels event. That pales in comparison on the news 680 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 3: scale with what we have from Donald Trump today. But 681 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: you know, I do wonder what motivates his time. You know, 682 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: he found out about this Sunday right. 683 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 10: Right, and it was a Tuesday morning true social post. 684 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 3: On the same day, Ron DeSantis sits for his big interview. 685 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to The Sound On podcast. Make sure 686 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 3: to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, and 687 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: anywhere else you get your podcasts. And you can find 688 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: us live every weekday from Washington, DC at one pm 689 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 3: Eastern Time at Bloomberg dot com