1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: writted with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Bellow everyone, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Today, Ben Matt, we're talking 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: about somebody. Oh, I don't know who could it be? 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Uh tell you what? It's someone who never gets mentioned 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: in awards speeches. Satan. That's right, Matt, that's right. Today 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: we are following up on our video podcast that came 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: out earlier with an audio podcast on Satan. The question 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: of the day, which we addressed in our video podcast 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: was are there real Satan worshippers? Yes? And we found that, 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: in fact, yes there are. In basically the answer we 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: got in the YouTube comments was, of course, I guess 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: you will know a lot more about Satan worship than 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: we do. It's cool, we get it. Uh. We've been 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: doing some research all week and finding all kinds of 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: fun things. So we're gonna give you kind of a 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: background on all of this stuff. We're gonna give you 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: some of the allegations against worshippers of Satan, and we're 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: gonna look at the reality of Luciferianism, which is a 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: slightly different thing. Um, and yeah, we'll come along with 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: for the ride. Yeah, hop on make a fallacty embargain 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: with us for the rest of this podcast. I don't 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: know what that means. I promise this podcast is not 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: like seven years long. If a soul exists, you will 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: keep yours at the end. Uh. First, a little bit 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: of a disclaimer, Matt, you and I know that it 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: is incredibly difficult to talk about these sorts of subjects, 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: right absolutely, and we want to make sure that we're 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: separating the facts from our opinions, and we will be 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: extremely careful to let you know what is our opinion, um, 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and what are the facts? So yeah, right, yes, Satan 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: and when we hope you enjoyed this episode, and if 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: you do love it, please let us know if you 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: do have a problem, there's something you think we got 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: completely wrong. Uh, please remember that because these things are 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: so subjective. Uh, it's very easy for anyone, including Matt, 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: myself and possibly you a listener, to mistake an opinion 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: for a fact, even even super producer Noel, who needs 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: a shout out here, Noel, we had some people right 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: in by the way about the Halloween special. You kinda 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: did a great job. Yeah, I've got some tweets asking 43 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: where the music is. We've got some great emails about it. Anyhow, 44 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: Satan Noel, I think, did it on his own, with 45 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: his own blood, sweat and tears, and no dark deals 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: with Mephistopheles. Uh. In the conventional Christian sense, right, Satan 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: is who matt. He is a rebellious angel. Some say 48 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: he was the most loved by God, but he did 49 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: God wrong, and uh, he had to go to a 50 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: place down below. Right. In some of the Aramaic religions 51 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: or in stories right ancient stories about Lucifer, or the 52 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: devil as the entity is known today, the devil really 53 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: loses huge points with God when God creates humans, who 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: are God's new favorite thing ever, and he tells all 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: the angels. God tells all the angels to bow down 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: before humans, and Lucifer is no man. I was here first. 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come on, you can't do that to me. Yeah, 58 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: he was like, this is bunk and this is dumb. Well, yeah, 59 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: it's an It's an interesting idea goes back to when 60 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: you look at children and families where there are multiple 61 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: children and the psychology behind being the firstborn, second born, 62 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: like a middle child or a third child. And um, 63 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: the I've got a lot of the stuff kind of 64 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: right about the internal Uh, let's say demons that you 65 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: have to fight. Huh, interesting comparison. I haven't. I have 66 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: not thought about it that way. But we do know that, uh, 67 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: we do know that some of these stories are repeated 68 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: throughout the three Abramatic religions, right um. And we know 69 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: that the cause of this rebellion, right Uh, however it happens, 70 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: of course, the details differ, right Uh as far as 71 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the timeline and when Satan falls, but we know that 72 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: because of this rebellion, he becomes the antagonist of this universe, 73 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: of this belief system. Uh. And this interpretation of Satan 74 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: has changed over time. So modern Christianity today associates Satan 75 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: with the serpent and Adam and Eve, who's going, hey, 76 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: come on, man, just eat the fruit. Why why are 77 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: you being You're being so weird? Eve? Um, Well, it 78 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Satan himself. As as we mentioned the video, the actual 79 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: individual is more of a New Testament thing. Yeah. Then 80 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: in the New Testament you see Satan come along when 81 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: he's tempting Jesus. Uh, when he's out on when Jesus 82 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: is out on his wilderness journey, um, and he's kind 83 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of seen as a tempter there where he's trying to 84 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: get Jesus to move away from his faith by offering 85 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: him things. Sure. Yeah, they have that lion king moment 86 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: where they stand in the cliff and he says, all 87 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: of this can be yours if you just do what 88 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: I say, essentially, if you just choose me over God. 89 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: So this concept of an adversarial spirit is far from unique. 90 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Many religions have adversarial entities, right, And it's possible that 91 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: the modern understanding of Satan in the Christian and perhaps 92 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: the Islamic religion as well, uh derive apart from religious syncretism, 93 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: the melding of different religions when they meet. So we've 94 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: got the abra concepts dating back to how Satan the 95 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: just obstructor the challenger uh two, and pre existing religions, 96 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: particularly Babylonian, which was fascinating to me. Met. Yeah, we 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: took a look at Zoras Zoroastrianism, which is cool. It 98 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: did some just some Wikipedia even just to make sure 99 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: I match up all the imagery and everything. That's fascinating. 100 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: One interesting thing that we found in our research is 101 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: that one group's God uh can be another group Satan 102 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: and vice versa. And we found this in a couple 103 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: of different places. What's the name of that group, Gnosticism, Gnostics, 104 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: the Gnostics. This is a name for a group of beliefs. 105 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: The practitioners believe that the material world, this the one 106 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: that we are existing on that you're listening to this 107 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: podcast in was created and is ruled by a demiurge 108 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: or creator, who is not God, the ruler of the 109 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: spirit world. So God, the actual God, rules the spirit world, 110 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: and this demi urge rules the material plane, all right, 111 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: And we know that this demi urge is not the 112 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: best entity, not the best thing. In fact, it's often 113 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: an antagonist attempting to impede the human soul or spirit 114 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: from reaching the higher plane. Uh. You'll hear it called 115 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: names like jaldabo Um. There. There's some great moments in 116 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Gnostic literature about this Yaldebat, this chief ar con Um. 117 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: In this system, what we think of as the main 118 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: God is instead this stemi urge. And Uh, there's a 119 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: higher plane with a benevolent creator that exists in the 120 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: spiritual world. So if you can cast your memory back 121 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: their Lord. To borrow from a Van Morrison song. Uh. 122 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: Two centuries and centuries ago when people would say this 123 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: is the God that we worship, and then these gnostic 124 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: folks would say, oh, your god is the bad guy 125 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: though we're doing something else. So you guys are sword 126 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: of devil worshipers. But of course it wasn't phrased in 127 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: that way, and these beliefs, gnostic beliefs were considered heretical 128 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: and very close to uh Satanism. But it's it's a 129 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: different interpretation, you know what I mean. We do know 130 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: that there are different types of straight up Satanism though, 131 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: so the one that you probably know about the most 132 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: was started by this guy named Anton LaVey. It's called 133 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: the system, is also called atheistic Satanism. It's a religious 134 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: philosophy that bases a lot of its system of belief 135 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: on egoism, individualism, and self identification. So you you are 136 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: the most important thing as the practitioner inside this belief system. Okay, 137 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: but it's still it's still I think counts in a 138 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: religious way because they practice magic, right, Oh yeah, they 139 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: practice magic um, but they do not worship Satan or 140 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: the devil. Okay, so they worship the symbol that exactly 141 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: this Luciferian uh almost Promethean lightbringer. That's what they're worshiping. 142 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: And we found that that's pretty common, at least from 143 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: when I was searching around. That's a fairly common thing. 144 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: And people who say they worship Satan or the Devil, 145 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: they use a system of belief, not necessarily actually worshiping 146 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: a deity or antideity. So then in this case, we 147 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: know that this would not this would not be the 148 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: real Satan worshippers that we're talking about in our videos 149 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: or in the title question of this podcast. Not necessarily 150 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: they fit in because of you know, they called themselves. Yeah, 151 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, well we we know that you can 152 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: read more about this type of Satanism in Anton LaVey's 153 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: book The Satanic Bible, and we have a list of 154 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: some of their rules. Again, these were made by Anton LaVey. 155 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: These did not come down from some sort of golden 156 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: tablet equivalent or whatever. He's pretty transparent about that. Yeah, 157 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: and you know it's what so this is the opinion time, 158 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: but I feel like it should definitely be called Livyism 159 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: rather than Satanism. Just because it was kind of written 160 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: by one guy. I see what you're saying, and I 161 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: wonder if you know, I wonder what the choice was 162 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: to say that. I guess it's because the symbol informs 163 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: so much of the belief system. But you know, that's 164 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: the thing. If you make something up, you get to 165 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: name it. It's true and no offense of the guy. 166 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: But saying something is Satanism, I'm sure didn't hurt in 167 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: getting some press from what I understand, And you know, 168 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: not to make this an anton leave a podcast that uh, 169 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: he had been practicing things like this for some time 170 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: before he gathered this material and made a religion. And 171 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 1: although there have been some schisms in the Church of 172 00:10:53,679 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Satan between the church's runners, right and uh LaVey's daughter, Uh, 173 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: the organization itself continues today. Um, so I'm not doing it, yeah, 174 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: and certainly not doging it. I'm just I don't know, 175 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: maybe stating an obvious thing, yeah, livsm but maybe I 176 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: don't know. People's question would be who is Aunton LaVey? 177 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: And sure, right, well here's the thing, despite the name, 178 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: they advocate some things that are actually not that bad philosophically. 179 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't completely agree with everything, but that's my opinion. Uh. Here, 180 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: here's some of the factual things, Matt. Maybe you and 181 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: I can alternate on this. So he has a thing 182 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: called the nine Satanic statements, and they are Satan represents 183 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: indulgence instead of abstinence. Uh. Satan represents vital existence instead 184 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: of spiritual pipe dreams. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of 185 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: hypocritical self deceit. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve 186 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: it instead of love wasted on ingrades sick burn. Satan 187 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek, and represents 188 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires, 189 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: which we also have a video series on check it out. 190 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more 191 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, 192 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: because of his divine, spiritual and intellectual development, has become 193 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: the most vicious animal of all. Now here's one of 194 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: the really controversial ones. Met Uh. Satan represents all of 195 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: the so called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, 196 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: or emotional gratification, murder, murder. I guess I'm not sure. 197 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of a blanket statement. But there's one more. 198 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, 199 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: as he has kept it in business all these years. 200 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: So we see here there's a blunt candor to uh. 201 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: These statements. Now, these are not necessarily the commandments. These 202 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: are sort of mission statements of what this sort of 203 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: Satanism is. However, we do have what Levey calls the 204 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Satanic rules of the earth. And not to be outdone, 205 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: he made eleven instead of ten. That's right, and here 206 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: they are. One. Do not give opinions or advice unless 207 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: you're asked to. Do not tell your troubles to others 208 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: unless you are sure they want to hear them. That's 209 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: good advice. Actually, it's pretty good when in another's layer, 210 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: show them respect or else do not go there, agreed 211 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: for if a guest in your layer annoys, you treat 212 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: them cruelly and without mercy to your house, I guess. 213 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: Do not make sexual advances unless you're given the mating signal, 214 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: which is yeah they now without I was gonna say, 215 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: without knowing what the mating signal is, I respect the idea, 216 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: but I would definitely want to know what it is, 217 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: because I don't want to accidentally be in that kind 218 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: of environment and make a mating signal. You know, we 219 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: need to come up with a universal human mating signal. Yeah, 220 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: there's some like body language things, but I don't know 221 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: if there's a one size fits all answer anyhow, that's 222 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: another day. Okay, I'm glad that you thought that was 223 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: a strange one to Uh. Six, this is pretty good. 224 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Uh do not take that which does not belong to you. 225 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: Pretty good so far. But wait, there's a comma. Unless 226 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: it's a burden to the other person and they cry 227 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: out to be relieved, that could be take this for 228 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: har from from me, please. I you know I'm taking 229 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: it for you from you. I really appreciate it. I'll 230 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. Acknowledge the power of magic if you 231 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you 232 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: deny the power of magic after having called upon it 233 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: with success, you will lose all you have obtained. Eight. 234 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: Do not complain about anything to which you need not 235 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: subject yourself. Well, I just want to go back to 236 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: the previous one. Really fast bend because um, they totally 237 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: said magically. Yeah, like magic, magic is real and believe it. 238 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: If you don't, you're gonna lose all the things you conjured. 239 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: You know. One thing that's interesting about this is uh 240 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: a friend of mine who is a professor. He studies 241 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: esoteric matters like the concept of magic and the digital age, 242 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: the nature of consciousness in a world where artificial intelligence 243 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: may soon exist. And he said something really interesting to 244 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: me one time. He said, if you don't like the 245 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: term magic, if you're just reacting to that term the 246 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: same way as people would react to something like conspiracy 247 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: theorists or you know, uh, some kind of political appellation, 248 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: then don't consider it magic. Call it weaponized psychology. And 249 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was really insightful. You know, I dig 250 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: it be I dig it too. I don't know if 251 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: that's the same thing that these people are talking about. 252 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: Perhaps absolutely, because in full disclosure, met, neither of us 253 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: are Satanist, right right, No Satanist? Are you a Satanist? Fairs, 254 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: he's a fair weather Satanist. Okay, So I guess when 255 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: it works out. Okay, so you're a you're a you're 256 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: a Satanist the way that people are fans of the 257 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: falcons here in Georgia. Oh yeah, all right, but we're 258 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: not done. I have to also say, Ben, the one 259 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: about that you just said, do not complain about anything 260 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: you don't you don't have to. Yeah, you know, you 261 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: don't have to subject yourself to amazing. Yeah. A lot 262 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: of people get the martyr complex and say, I wish 263 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: that my life is so tough. I wish it didn't 264 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: have to do this thing. And then this satanic rule 265 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: just points out, well, if you don't have to, and 266 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: you really don't want to, then why are you doing it? 267 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: Smart Next, do not harm young children. I think we 268 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: can all agree with that. Everybody can get behind that one, right. Uh. Ten, 269 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: do not kill non human animals unless you are attacked 270 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: or for your food. So don't kill animals for funzies again, Okay, 271 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: that makes sense. What about for sacrifices? I think that 272 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: is um. I mean it's you know, you're not being attacked, 273 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: it's not for food. Yeah, I don't know, unless you're 274 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: gonna eat it later. Well, maybe that's levy Ish Satanism instead, 275 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: because we know that there are other kinds of Satanist. 276 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: I've said too much, all right, what's the very last one? 277 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone 278 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: bothers you ask him to stop. If he does not stop, 279 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: destroy him. That's so metal. Yeah, dude. Um, And and 280 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: of course you know, I want to point out again 281 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: that these things we're talking about, while I don't agree 282 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: with everything, that is just one person's opinion. And the 283 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: rules that are outlined here, those eleven, uh, makes some 284 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: really good points. Honestly, they do. Don't hurt kids, don't 285 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: hurt animals. Makes much so much more sense than it 286 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: would if somebody just had heard that there were eleven 287 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: satanic rules of the earth and you didn't know anything 288 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: about them, you would assume so much worse, way different. Yeah, 289 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: and this, if anything, these are sort of rules of 290 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: conduct that I think if I saw some my behaving 291 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: this way, I would consider them an upstanding person. Yeah. 292 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: It's an alternative moral code to the one that a 293 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: lot of us may be new growing up. Yeah. Can 294 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: I read you the may I read you the Satanic sins? Though? 295 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: Because he ends, all right, you ready, okay? And these 296 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: are Anton LaVey said these in seven and he said 297 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: these are the things you should avoid. They're only nine stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism, 298 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: self deceit, heard, conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxes, 299 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: counterproductive pride, lack of aesthetics. So like having bad style 300 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: or not appreciating beauty is a sin. That's that's very interesting. 301 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: But as we're about to find out, that is only 302 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: one kind of Satanist, and that is the kind of 303 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: Satanists that a lot of people in the West are 304 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: familiar with. Right, Yes, so we're gonna get into that 305 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: right when we return, because it's time for Word our sponsor, 306 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: and we are back, let's cut past all of the 307 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: philosophical Satanism that we talked about, which, of course is 308 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I think, as you said very well, Matt, it's an 309 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: alternative belief system or value system that doesn't necessarily make 310 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: it a terrible thing, and it's certainly not a reason 311 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: to persecute someone, especially in the country that has freedom 312 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: of religion like the US. Yeah. To me, the that 313 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: type of Satanism seems like a very constructed form of individualism. Yeah. Yeah, 314 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: there's something kind of I'm randy a ship about it. Uh, 315 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of objectivism there, but that's not 316 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. LeadSA gentleman. Thanks for hanging out 317 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: through the Word from our sponsor because now we have 318 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Matt. Again, that's just my opinion. 319 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: This is the most fascinating part of this. Oh yeah, sure, 320 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: definitely it's gonna get dark. Yeah. I can hear it 321 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: getting darker already. I can hear it too. Yeah, our 322 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: synaesthesia is kicking in. And what we are talking about now, 323 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, is not the levash Satanist or the 324 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: atheistic Satanist, but the theistic Satanist. These are the people 325 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: who believe that there is a bad guy in the universe, 326 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: there is an unholy entity working against the creator of 327 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: reality or illuminating it. And they said, you know what, 328 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: let's pray to that guy. Yeah, I like that guy. 329 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: So they also engage in ceremonial magic. However, there are 330 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: some things. As you and I were looking into Satan worship, right, 331 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: theistic satan worship, we learned that there are some things 332 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of people haven't considered, especially when they're 333 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: moral panics about widespread state worship. Yeah. So what we 334 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: have learned, Ben, is that accusations of Satan worship occur 335 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,239 Speaker 1: a lot more than the actual worshiping of Satan, a 336 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: lot like the witches back in the day. There are 337 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot more people accused of a witch then we're witches. 338 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: And the same with McCarthy is um and communists. Um. 339 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: It's just you know, when there's something that scares you, uh, 340 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: you may be more inclined to accuse somebody of this 341 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: thing that you're afraid of. I see, and we know 342 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: that while people who were accused of witchcraft back during 343 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: the Inquisition and other witch hunts, uh, while they were 344 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: possibly not Christian, they probably weren't worshiping you know, Lucifer. 345 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: There's there's fairly compelling evidence that some people accused of 346 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: witchcraft were practicing pagan religion of some sort right, or 347 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: something that might be a heretical belief system. Accusations of witchcraft, however, 348 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: often had political or social motives behind them, especially during 349 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: periods of time when an accuser or an inquisitor would 350 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: potentially be entitled to part of the witches a state 351 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: run conviction exact lear if they had anything to gain 352 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: whatsoever from this person not being there. Um, we can 353 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: see similar patterns and all kinds of social panics. So 354 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: we talked about a couple of those. Even if you 355 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: look at music like rock music, um all the way 356 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: to the accusations of hip hop performers like jay Z 357 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: being secretly and leave with the Illuminati, which by the way, 358 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: we cover and check out our video. And you know, 359 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: through the Illuminati a lot of the times it gets 360 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: lumped in with the Devil, that there's a belief that 361 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: the Illuminati overall worships the Devil, or at least an 362 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: evil entity. Right. There's a story here that I thought 363 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: was interesting. At one time, Judas Priest was accused of 364 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: being responsible for a crime that happened. The mother of 365 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: this child said that listening to Judas Priests had compelled 366 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: her son to criminal acts. Uh, And they talked about 367 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: what's called backward masking, Yes, and what what is that? 368 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: Like you have a better understanding of this. That's it's 369 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: pretty simple. Back in the day, when you have the records, 370 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the times you could just you play 371 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: the record backwards, and when you listen to the music backwards, 372 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: the speech patterns of the vocals sound strange, and sometimes 373 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like words are being spoken and hidden when 374 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: you play it backwards. So Judas Priests defense against this accusation, 375 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: which won the day in court actually was that if 376 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: they had done backward masking, they would have done something 377 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: like by seven more albums, which I think is a 378 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: fairly compelling but also pretty accurate. So we know that 379 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: we know that this stuff continues the vast majority of 380 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: people who self identify as theistic Satanist and you can 381 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: find these organizations where these individuals easily online. They come 382 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: from comparatively recent organizations in history. Uh. What we mean 383 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: by this is there relatively new ideologies or denominations, and 384 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: of course you will find a wealth of people insisting 385 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: that they're from what is sort of the golden goose 386 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: of our question, a multigenerational theistic Satan worshiping community. Uh, 387 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: similar to the way that the family in True Detective 388 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: Right is uh, not quite Satanic, but definitely a neopagan, 389 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: very messed up, evil thing. And what we found out 390 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: from our video that, you know, the thing that at 391 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: least the creator of that series talked about there was 392 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: that one case where there actually was a group of 393 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: Satan worshippers who at least they believed they worshiped Satan right, 394 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: and that is a pretty disturbing story. I thought you 395 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: did a great job editing that. I know. That's one 396 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: of those sometimes you guys, when Matt and I go 397 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: into something pretty deep and dark, uh, we feel like 398 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: you just can't wash it off, you know. Yeah, I 399 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: go into a whole sometimes just shiver alone in the dark. 400 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: But we do know that if there are real multi 401 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: generational lines of theistic Satan worshippers, then there are some 402 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: problems will verifying their existence. How do we how do 403 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: we say it? Right? Yeah? Well, sure that this sort 404 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: of worship was I mean, you could get yourself killed, 405 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: executed by the state or the church for a long 406 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: time there. Um. I mean it would be very difficult 407 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: to openly worship the devil or Satan pretty much at 408 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: any time, even right now, it would be difficult. I think, 409 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: with as progressive as we are right now, if you're 410 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: super open about it, I think your life is not 411 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: going to be easy at least well, especially if you're 412 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: if you're a person who is worshiping the idea of 413 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: Satan is presented in the Bible right or in biblical canon, 414 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: because then you would be actively doing things that are 415 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: against the law. Your alignment would be I believe, chaotic evil. 416 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: If we're doing a role plane joke. Yeah, well there's 417 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: another thing here too. Numerous organizations purporting to have some 418 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: sort of ancient lineage have been proven to be hoaxes, 419 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: or at least, if we're going to give them a 420 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: benefit of a doubt, they have been lying at least 421 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: in part about their origin. Uh. I want to say 422 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: something else to earlier I said neopagan. Uh. I don't 423 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: believe that there's anything wrong or inherently evil about Neopaganism. 424 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those who I haven't seen 425 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: in recent memory. Uh. A group of Neopagan's band together 426 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: and kill everyone who's not neopagan. Yeah. Sure, I'm never 427 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: heard of Neopagan's doing anything wrong actually that I can recall. Well, 428 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: history is long, and there's a lot of stuff for 429 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: us to dig through. I'm sure we could find the 430 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: last thing I want to mention here are Freemasons. Now 431 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: we will go online and you will see all kinds 432 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: of videos and websites about how Freemason's worship lucifer um. 433 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: I got a book for Christmas a couple of years 434 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: ago called Freemason's One on One. Now, I'm not saying 435 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: it's the Bible of the Freemasons. Or you know, it's 436 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: not the go to book. You can't go there and 437 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: find all the answers. Um. But it talked a lot 438 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: about how there was some confusion about worshiping the Devil 439 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: with Freemasons. I don't have all the information, but I 440 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: would highly recommend you going out there and doing some research, 441 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: um if you hear about this kind of thing, because 442 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of it, at least from my experience, is 443 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: rumor um and probably not true. But I don't know 444 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: for sure. I see you're saying that's fair. We know 445 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: that Freemason lodges have acquired at times uh shady reputation, 446 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: but a lot of that would be judging off of 447 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: one bad apple in many ways. Well, and it's also 448 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: just secrecy in itself. Sure, and there's there's a great 449 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: deal of Um, there is a great deal of inherent 450 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: secrecy and something like that. However, in the age of 451 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: the Internet, it is super super easy to find that information. Now, 452 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: is it disrespectful to people who wish that kind of privacy? Um? Yeah, 453 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, in in a lot of ways it is. 454 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: It's uh, certainly, for instance, it would be disrespectful to 455 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: scientologists right where a lot of the documents that are 456 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be restricted if you're a scientologist, right, they 457 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: are available free online and uh, you know it. It 458 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: goes back to your idea of is this ethical? But yeah, 459 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: with freemasons, a lot of the fascinating stories that you 460 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: can read here, um, nowadays, they're gonna tend to be 461 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: more factual than the rumors that would spread, you know, 462 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: when people didn't have the ability to google something. The 463 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: Internet does tend to shed light on things, too many 464 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: things sometimes, and all kinds of noise as well. Right, 465 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: that's a very interesting point. I don't know if we 466 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: ever talked about this is so tangential, but there's this 467 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: there's this great idea that secrecy used to be based 468 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: on restricting information right before the digital age, and now 469 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: it's based on inundating you with information. And I always wonder, 470 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: when we're really cooking with gas, Matt, I always wonder 471 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: if we're going to find one of those needles in 472 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: the haystack, you know, when those diamonds in the rough, 473 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: and have somebody show up at our tours. Jeez, well, 474 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: I can give you one little needle in the haystack. 475 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: What's that? The trans specific Partnership uh. Feel just to 476 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: me this is completely uh in my opinion, but it 477 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: seems like there are a lot of things happening and 478 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: in the new right now that might beat obvious skate 479 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: the idea of the trans specific partnership. I don't know, man, 480 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's look into it, let's find out. 481 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: And listeners, those of you who perked up when you 482 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: heard us mentioned this right to us and let us 483 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: know if you want us to cover this in more depth. 484 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: But before continue with our allegations of Satanism, speaking of Freemasons, Uh, 485 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: I have a book that I thought people would enjoy that. 486 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: Oh heck yeah, let's hear run it alright. So it's 487 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: called The Origin of Satan How Christians demonized Jews, Pagans 488 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: and Heretics. This is clearly coming from an agenda of 489 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: sorts written by an author named Elaine Pagels and narrated 490 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: by Suzanne Torren. Uh. This is an audio book that 491 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: I would recommend to our listeners who want to learn 492 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: more about the history and evolution of the modern figure 493 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: that we equate with Satan today. And if you want 494 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: to get this book, we would recommend you head on 495 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: over to audible dot com. They've got over a hundred 496 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand titles to choose from, like that one, 497 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: The Origin of Satan, and if you can find fiction, 498 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: nonfiction bestsellers, pretty much anything you would ever want to find. 499 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: You can get a free app for your iPhone or 500 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: whatever phone you use, really if it's a smartphone, but yeah, 501 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: it's really cool. You can download it listen to these 502 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: things when you're on the road, maybe on your commute, 503 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: or when you're working out. Um, it's pretty awesome. You 504 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: can fill your head with all kinds of knowledge, or 505 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: when you're just sitting in a dark room by yourself. 506 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: I do that a lot um? Really is that just me? Alright? Well, 507 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: moving on a little bit about a background about the book. 508 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: Who is Satan in the New Testament and what is 509 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: this evil that he represents? In this groundbreaking book, Lane 510 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: Pagels prinstance, distinguished his storian of religion traces the evolution 511 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: of Satan from its origins in the Hebrew Bible, where 512 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: Satan is at first merely instructive, to the New Testament, 513 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: where Satan becomes the prince of darkness, the bitter enemy 514 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: of God and man evil incarnates. I think this is 515 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: an informative book for anybody wants to learn more with that. 516 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: And there's some good news if you listen to our show. Uh, 517 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: it turns out we have a little bit of pull 518 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: with audible. That's right. You can get a free audio 519 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: book of your choice and a free thirty day trial 520 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: membership if you check it out. And you can check 521 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: that out today. It doesn't have to be uh, the 522 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: Origins of satan. It can be whichever of those d 523 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: fifty thousand plus titles strikes your fancy. And all you 524 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: have to do is go to audible podcast dot com 525 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: slash conspiracy. Let him know that Matt and Ben sent you. 526 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: That's Audible podcast dot com slash conspiracy. All right, you guys, 527 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: let's get into the allegations of Satanism throughout time time, 528 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: time time. This is just a giant list that Ben 529 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: and I are going to go through. If you hear 530 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: something that you're interested in, get on that Google and 531 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: just find it. Man. There's all kinds of stuff for 532 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: you on that Google and you can find it. But 533 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: be careful, my friends, because the search engine it's a 534 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: lot like an abyss. You search long enough, it starts 535 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: searching you whatever that was better in my head. So 536 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: one thing that we noticed in our YouTube comments is 537 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: that quite a few people said, why didn't you cover 538 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: uh these various groups that are clearly Satanist, And we 539 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: have covered these folks. So if we say something strikes 540 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: your interest, check out our videos, search YouTube, dot com, 541 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: forward slash conspiracy stuff, or check out our website stuff. 542 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: Then once you know dot com and you will probably 543 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: find one, two or even three part series on these 544 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: on these guys. So, with a devilish drumroll, please perfect, 545 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: let's start naming groups accused of Satanism. Was unexpected, it 546 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: was really good. So the first one is the Illuminati, 547 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: nice to beat me to it? Uh, all right? And 548 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: the Bohemian grove ben ah yes, uh, possibly separate entities, 549 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: but who knows. Maybe not. What about the Royal family? Ah? Yes, 550 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: which one? Right? All of them? All of them? Uh? 551 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: What about the builder Bergs, Oh that's a great one. 552 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: Trilateral Commission, the Business Council, Oh yeah, and uh what 553 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: about the Rothchild's, Oh that's one of those families. About 554 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: any of those families, the war Birds, the Rockefeller's, any 555 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: name that you think is associated with having a certain 556 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: amount of money, I'm surprised really that Bill Gates and 557 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: Warren Buffett haven't been accused of Satanism yet. We just 558 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: haven't found the accusation. It's somewhere small on a geo 559 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: cities page, right, yeah, as geo cities. Uh it's not 560 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: online anymore, is it. You have to use the way 561 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: back machine. It's true, but it's there. Uh. Let's see. 562 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: So we did the Freemasons, the Rose Crucians, Uh, the 563 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Council for Foreign Affairs, right man. Uh, let's see what else. Uh, 564 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: the Jesuits of all people at times have been accused 565 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: of worshiping Satan. It's very strange to me. Have you 566 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: even seen the Catholic Church itself? Like the Vatican lumped 567 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: in there because of some of the symbols that they use, 568 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: uh like that the acorn and what was the other thing? 569 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: Oh the obelisks? Yeah yeah, Uh the obelisks are a 570 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: huge thing too. And if you I don't blame people, 571 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: because if you just look at an obelisk, it's really weird. 572 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: And why, of all things did you build that strangely 573 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: phallic monument? Why? Okay, well I guess I just thank you. 574 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: You just you just hit me to it. Actually, it 575 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: does go back to Yeah, the male phallic imagery. That's 576 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: never be the same. But the let's see some other 577 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: groups that have been accused of the UH. It's sad 578 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: and it's heartbreaking, but we'd be remiss if we didn't 579 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: point it out. Over the course of history, the three 580 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: Abramaic religions, especially denominations or facets schools of thought in 581 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: those three religions, have accused each other more or less 582 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: continually across history of UH not only being misled in 583 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: their choice of belief system, but actively worshiping the devils. 584 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: So they said this about UH. Christians have said this 585 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: about Judaism, UH. Christians have said this about Islam right 586 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: and is UH people who follow Islam have said this 587 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: about other religions. It's a mess. I think it's interesting. 588 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: It goes back to the idea that Satan is this 589 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: great trickster and will make you believe that something is 590 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: true that is not and something it's not true that is. 591 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,479 Speaker 1: So you basically get um mixed around and you think 592 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: that what's up this down down is up, and then 593 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: you end up worshiping Satan. Yeah, you thought you were 594 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: worshiping God. I think that's an interesting idea and why 595 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: it kind of shapes the views of the other religions 596 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: at times in history. Right, Yeah, you'll you'll see this, 597 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: and it's I'm so glad you mentioned that because you 598 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: see that idea playing out in uh purported explanations of 599 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: a Freemason power structure to right, that there's only an 600 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: inner circle who knows what's actually going on, and the 601 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: outer circle is just there for you know, social cash a. Yeah, 602 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: you're worshiping the Great Architect. Didn't know the Great Architect 603 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: is Satan voice is killing me, man, my bad. I 604 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. It's like it's not even coming 605 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: from you. I'm hearing it in different corners of the room. 606 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: And that's weird. Yeah, Noel's crying a little bit of blood, 607 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: that's strange. Well, let's soul drawing. Oh God, get a tissue. 608 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: But now finally our million million dollar question, Okay, are 609 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 1: there so from these allegations which have not been proven, 610 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: are there genuine cases of people purposely conducting evil rights 611 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: to venerate or communicate with an otherworldly, supernatural, unholy monster 612 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: beyond the stars? You know what I mean? Like, is that? 613 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: Is it real? That was poetic. Man. Oh thanks many. Yep. 614 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: There are the cases we mentioned on the show, with 615 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: the one that is uh likely an inspiration for True Detective, 616 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: and that is definitely something that would caution you about 617 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: if you are easily offended or bothered. There there are 618 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: some very disturbing details, but so okay, so we know 619 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: those cases we mentioned on the show. Uh, there's an 620 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: alleged devil worship ring in Italy known as the Beast 621 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: of Satan. I found a biased source Christian World News 622 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: that estimates there are eight hundred satanic call it's an 623 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: Italy alone, and we had to note those have not 624 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: been proven. There have been numerous serial killers that claim 625 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: to be involved with some kind of dark, dark Satanic arts, 626 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: some kind of rights or rituals. Yeah. Um, this includes 627 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: killers like the Son of Sam, Richard Ramirez, Honest Tool, 628 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: and a bunch more. And you can look into the 629 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: four Pie movement. The Hand of Death super interesting. We 630 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: did an episode on that and it's still to this 631 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: day one of the most Uh. I don't know. I'll 632 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: sit down and watch it sometimes even though I know 633 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: exactly what's gonna happen. It's just weird. I'm surprised that 634 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: there has not been an in depth feature film on 635 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: that because it's such a strange and fascinating story. But 636 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: then there are other people, perhaps you listeners, who say, 637 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: if you think about it, it's not surprising at all. 638 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: All Right, there's another book that we found in the 639 00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,280 Speaker 1: name of Satan. Uh. This book concerns an incident where 640 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: these teenagers Royce Casey, Jacob Delashmutt and Joe Fiorella. We're 641 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: in a band called Hatred, and they believe that they 642 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: have found a way to make the ultimate offering to 643 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: the Prince of darkness. They sacrificed an innocent girl, uh 644 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: and dragged her to an area they believed would serve 645 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: as a devil's alter. They drugged her, the attacked her, 646 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: they stabbed her. And we'll find that a lot of 647 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: the cases of people who are saying that they are 648 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: a theistic Satanist uh there really throwing this idea on 649 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: this sort of window dressing to their crimes, you know. Uh. 650 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: And so it's more I think the case cases of 651 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: disturbed individuals. Yeah, well, to me, it's almost and not 652 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 1: an excuse to go through with some of those dark thoughts. 653 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: But it's a maybe for the person, it's a nice 654 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: way to try and justify it. Yeah, yeah, not nice 655 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: at all. It's not nice at all. It's just a 656 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 1: way for them to just it. I imagine that's correct, 657 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: which makes it even more disturbing. And here's another example 658 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: if we're talking about rationalization. In two thousand to a 659 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: young married British couple admitted to a ritual satanic killing UH, 660 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: and they were told they could spend the rest of 661 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: their lives in a secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief 662 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: then that there was a bizarre underground occult group in Britain. UH. 663 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: Lady named Manuela Ruda, she was twenty three at the time, 664 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 1: told the German courts she had become a vampire in London, 665 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: and her husband, Daniel rudda I assume six, was given 666 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: a prison sentence, so they had thirteen years for her 667 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: fifteen years for him. UH. They had hacked one of 668 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: their friends to death in a flat UH in Germany, 669 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: and if you read the details of the story, one 670 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: of the reasons they picked him is because he had 671 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: sort of a milder demeanor and like the Beatles, really yeah, 672 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: which doesn't sound it sounds to me more like a 673 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,439 Speaker 1: rationalization for wanting to kill someone than it does. Uh. 674 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: You know, feeling compelled by dark forces to do so 675 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: gives about this stuff. That's not the last example. Yeah. 676 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, a gang of Satan worshippers 677 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: murdered four teenagers by stabbing each of them six hundred 678 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: and sixty six times. Yeah. The number of the wounds 679 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: is the same as that revered by followers of the Devil, 680 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: which not to be pedantic. The number is not actually 681 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: six six six. That's a mistranslation, right, Yes, Ben, it's 682 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 1: possible that that number is actually six one six, So 683 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: they're not doing their research. But these these people, this 684 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: gang would kidnap. They kidnapped kids who were sixteen seventeen, 685 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: which I still think qualifies as a kid uh, and 686 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: then attack them. And this was in Russia, about three 687 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: hundred miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of 688 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: their victims, which brings us to one other case. And 689 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: I you know, we're hammering at home, but we're barely 690 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: scratching the surface of murders that are alleged to be 691 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: part of Satanic rights. This past month that for anyone 692 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast when it comes out October. Uh, 693 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: just as people were preparing for Halloween, three people were 694 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: arrested for killing and cannibalizing at least two men in Clemens, 695 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Uh. The male who is you know, sort 696 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: of the ring leader, is named pozzuzu Ila al Garard, 697 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,720 Speaker 1: thirty five years old, and his accomplices list is Amber 698 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: Nicole Birch, Crystal Nicole Matlock. Uh so, and those are 699 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,479 Speaker 1: just the people arrested so far, right, Yeah, I think 700 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: that those are gonna be the main three. Uh. This Pozsus, 701 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: you guy a real character for everybody wondering, Hey, does 702 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: that name sound familiar? Yeah, it's the demon from The Exorcist. 703 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: Turns out Pazus, who's mother is a Satanist and named 704 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: her son that. Oh that was just gonna turn out great, 705 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah? And uh, the I don't know the 706 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,280 Speaker 1: entirety of the story. I know that they're still looking 707 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: for more bodies. They found the men buried in the backyard, 708 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: and they found animals as well. Uh so these are 709 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: certainly not leave a type Satanist or atheistic Satanist. So 710 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: Matt gotta ask you my favorite part of the show 711 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: what's the verdict. The verdict is, uh, don't name your 712 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: children names of demons from popular films. You're just setting 713 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: yourself up for failure or maybe when depending on what 714 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: you believe. But I would say, don't do that. I 715 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: think ben that this is a real thing. Mm hmm. 716 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot 717 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: of things, and I personally don't think that a satan 718 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: or a satan that can be worshiped exists my personal opinion. However, 719 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 1: I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that 720 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: it's true and do things like we said before to uh, 721 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, to strengthen those beliefs. I see what 722 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, I This is so interesting to me 723 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: because it's one of the longest running, most pervasive conspiracy 724 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,720 Speaker 1: theories in the in the world of this sort of thought, 725 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: and that's the idea that the earth is run, or 726 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: at least part of the earth is run by a 727 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: faction of people who have a secret religion. Here's the thing, 728 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: As crazy as it might sound, it is possible to 729 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: have a seek religion, and really, when we see most 730 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: of that, it's just it's religion where outsiders are not 731 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: allowed to see certain stuff, but they'll you'll you'll know 732 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: that there is a religion that you're not part of. 733 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: For something to be so secret that people don't even 734 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: know about it, that's kind of tough. And for a long, long, 735 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: long time, I was very, very skeptical about this um, 736 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: but recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me 737 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: that it is possible for people at the top of 738 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: a social hierarchy to keep secrets that otherwise should never 739 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: have been kept in And I'm talking specifically about the 740 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: child abuse allegations largely seeming factual, uh regarding Cyril Smith, um, 741 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: what's his name, Jimmy Seville and Uh, these guys kept 742 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: secrets for decades and they had assistance from the government. 743 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,399 Speaker 1: And if we just took out child abuse and put 744 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: in Satanism, Uh, then the mechanism of keeping something like 745 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: that secret still holds, which is terrifying. It would be 746 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: just just as an an anecdote here, I used to 747 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 1: work at a country club, a prominent country club in Atlanta, 748 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: and I knew a lot of the members names because 749 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: I worked there. And one of the things was you 750 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: had to address people by their names when they show up. 751 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: One of the only things you'll find if you go 752 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: online and search for this group or the members of 753 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 1: this club is an old web page that you have 754 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: to have a member. I d to log in and 755 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 1: search it at all. And I was trying to find, like, 756 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: look up some of these old members because I actually, 757 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: uh somewhat became friends with some of them, and you 758 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: can't find their names anywhere, some of these really prominent people. 759 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: It just makes me think, Oh, I don't know, man, 760 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 1: if it's that easy to hide yourself on the internet. Ah, yeah, 761 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: just for that simple thing, like your information about being 762 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: a member of a country club. Privacy is one of 763 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 1: the new elite privileges, you know what I mean. It's 764 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: it's increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. So 765 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: I can see how it's definitely at a premium. And 766 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,879 Speaker 1: I guess what you and I are both saying then, 767 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: is that through different means, we have found that it 768 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 1: is possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that 769 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 1: secret be a crime or whether that secret be some 770 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: sort of belief system. And that's to me, that's strange, um, 771 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: especially because you know, Matt, you and I work ardently 772 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems, right, um, 773 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: even in some cases leaf systems that specifically say people 774 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,839 Speaker 1: like you and I are very very bad. Yeah, but 775 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: enough about us. We hope that you enjoyed this podcast. 776 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: We would like to hear what you think. Are there 777 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: real devil worshippers? Are they multi generational? Are they spanning 778 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: the globe working in secret to bring down humanity or 779 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: usher in a new dark age? And yeah, and if 780 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: there is a group like that, what exactly do you 781 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: think they worship? What? Like? Heck is it? Man? We'd 782 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: love to hear your ideas, and we would also like 783 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: to hear your suggestions for upcoming episodes. We want to 784 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: give a big thank you to everybody sent in Halloween costumes. 785 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got so many great pictures and we're 786 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: gonna be posting those on Facebook and Twitter pretty soon. 787 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,879 Speaker 1: And I just want again thank Moses again. I said 788 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: his name incorrectly, Sorry, dude, I did it too. Thank 789 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: you so much for sending in that the story that 790 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: we read last week, it was great. You're wrong, Yeah, 791 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. And we also have a bank 792 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 1: of great stories that we might come back to. Uh, 793 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be Halloween, all right, So we're on 794 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: the way out. There's oh, there's one last thing, matt uh. 795 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: If people want to send us an email, they totally can, 796 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 1: but where should they send it? You can send all 797 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: your emails to conspiracy at how stuff works dot com. 798 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,919 Speaker 1: From more on this topic, another unexplained phenomenon, visit test 799 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: tube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also get 800 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: in touch on Twitter at the handle at conspiracy stuff.