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Speaker 2: Man, what's hand him?

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Speaker 3: You got Marshaw Bismall, Lynch.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm at home for a hot second.

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Speaker 3: As you know, as any sports agent listeners or kids

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Speaker 3: So did she did? She? She did? She talk a

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Speaker 1: That's your fault, dog government.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not. I'm a political ramalm or with any anyone

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Speaker 3: Look well, Kathy, by the way back to our co

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Speaker 2: I wasn't making that up, Kathy. I was not making

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Speaker 1: the real guy that Edward Norton played in the film

438
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Speaker 1: The People Versus Larry Flint.

439
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 3: Oh wow movie. I don't know. So.

440
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: I the first time I got into trouble I was

441
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,239
Speaker 1: I look it up and I'm like, I wonder if

442
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: that guy is a real guy and still a lawyer.

443
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: I cold call him. I'm like, you're not gonna believe this,

444
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: and so he was very, very helpful. But I didn't

445
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: just get a call from local PD. And I'm not

446
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: putting myself in their category, but even the great George

447
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: Carlin and the great Lady Bruce, they were hassled by

448
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: local PD. I had the fence, I had the pends

449
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: coming after me. They did a full investigation. The FBI

450
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: was coming to the house about twice a week. And

451
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: I will say I'm not anti government. The FBI credit

452
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: was saving my life because they would come to the

453
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: house and do something called what you know, I'm sure

454
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: governor a duty to warn, which is when they could

455
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: detain act credible threats versus non credible threats. They had

456
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: a duty to come to my house and physically tell

457
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: me what the threat was as much as they could,

458
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: because they couldn't always tell me every detail. And that

459
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: went on for weeks, if not months, and they would say, well,

460
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: there's a bomb threat at this venue, or there's a

461
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: very serious you know actor who's specifically mentioned how he

462
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: wants to murder you on this day, and they would

463
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: give me a bunch of information as they could. And

464
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I got so used to seeing those guys.

465
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: It was like cheers. Like when norm would come in,

466
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Hey, come on, guys, what's going on

467
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: this week? But when I was interrogated under oath, I

468
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: had two agencies coming after me. At Trump's best, I

469
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: filed a foya. I got it back. It was the

470
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: Attorney General and Trump, of course, and the seriousness, seriousness

471
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: with which they were actually trying to charge me with

472
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States. She's shocking,

473
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: which holds a lifetime sentence, as you know. And so

474
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: when I was interrogated, it was my two agencies, the

475
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: Secret Service in the US Attorney's Office. Governor explain the

476
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: difference between those two agencies.

477
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: Correct daylight and darkness or sunshine? I mean, like I mean,

478
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: it's his order of magnitude.

479
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: So the Secret Service was frankly looking to see if

480
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: they could and the US Attorney's Office was ready to

481
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: file the charge if they could find enough. Every yeah,

482
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: and so I have to find the comedy and everything.

483
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: And I have to say there was a little accidental

484
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: comedy in my interrogation, which was they said, do you

485
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: have any firearms or weapons in your home? And I

486
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: said no, And they actually let my attorneys with one

487
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: of the FEDS do They didn't do a non ock

488
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: grade on me, so I was grateful for that. They

489
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: let one of my attorneys do the house search and stuff.

490
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: And I I have a sword from the Gay Swordsman,

491
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: which is a gay porn company. And I hosted your

492
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: awards once and if you could have seen me under

493
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: oath being caught saying, oh, I do have a sword. Now,

494
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: keep in mind there's a picture of me holding Trump's

495
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: head and all of a sudden they got real quiet,

496
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: and my lawyer has a slow look like, oh no.

497
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: And then I'm trying to explain hosting this gay porn

498
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: award show and how ironically the porn that won that

499
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: year was called Justice, and the plot of it was

500
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: where he was being interrogated, not unlike this, sir, although

501
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: in this film they weren't following protocol. In fact, it

502
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: ended up where they all had sex. And my lawyers

503
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: looking at me like this, He's like, all the money wasted,

504
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: all my feets wasted. But they didn't do it. They

505
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: couldn't find and I still have my gay sword.

506
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: Okathy, let me ask a question. Were there were there

507
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: days and weeks or months where you're like going, okay, dude,

508
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: my house is tapped. I got bugs everywhere. People came

509
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 3: over and you're like whispering in the garden like hey,

510
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: I can't talk, Like did you think did you go

511
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: through some psychosists? Like they're on to me, like I

512
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: can't talk, They're watching me at all hours, and I'm

513
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: going I'm maybe going down for this.

514
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't paranoia or psychosis, because I don't know

515
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: if you guys remember Christopher Wiley, but he's the Cambridge

516
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: Antico went a whistle blow, or here's the guy that

517
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: testified before the House and the Senate. One day he

518
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: had pink hair, one day he had green hair. Gay guy.

519
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: Of course I love him automatically. So he did a

520
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: bunch of research and he said, you know, they tracked

521
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: you for a really long time. And I said, yeah,

522
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know Trump was itching to charge me

523
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: with something, and yes, it's a weird feeling, and yet

524
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I just had to go through it. And like I said,

525
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I just want to stress I am not anti government.

526
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: I know they had to do their deal due diligence

527
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: at his behest. I don't want it to happen to

528
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: anybody else. I well, I'm not any more careful than

529
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: I used to be, but I did not violate the

530
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: First Amendment. I did reach out to my attorneys prior

531
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: to posting that photo. And Governor, you're an attorney, you

532
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: know it was covered. And so people think I just

533
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: willy nilly posted this cory picture. No, of course, I've

534
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: been doing this for decades. You guys, I'm sixty four,

535
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: and I don't know any of the other amendments.

536
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: By the way, did you fire that attorney for saying

537
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: go ahead and posted?

538
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: Kathy?

539
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, he had. He helped me prep for the interrogation.

540
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: Okay, good, good.

541
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: But I know we can make light of this, but

542
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you've had a hell of a few years, Kathy,

543
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: and and you and and and and and and obviously

544
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: it must be I'm I don't I can imagine. I

545
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: don't know, but so much now when when you when

546
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: your name comes up, we have this conversation as opposed

547
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: to Guinness Book World of Records more come you know, oh.

548
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Guinness Book a world records holder more televised or streamed

549
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: stand up comedy specials than any comedian living or dead,

550
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: male or female. Twenty one stand up comedy specials.

551
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: Can't make it up, No, But it's like next level career,

552
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: next level success, which continues to this day. And we're

553
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: going to get back to your tour in a minute.

554
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: But I you know, it's so interesting and Doug, you remember,

555
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: just briefly we were talking to Marshaun and George Lopez,

556
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: and Lopez had a little bit of a similar issue

557
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: where it's just when it comes to presidents and the

558
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: Secret Service, it's just it's the one area you don't play.

559
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: You don't play no, because they're serious people, they have

560
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: a serious mission, they have bosses. When I when Jason

561
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Leopold from Bloomberg filed the FOYA, it was quite shocking.

562
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: And the amount of discretion that the Los Angeles Secret

563
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Service Office used to pursue the case that they knew

564
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: was be a is upsetting to me. But you know,

565
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: that's bureaucracy, and not everybody's going to agree with me,

566
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: and I understand, and I really do respect everyone's right

567
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: to hate that photo or hate that I did it

568
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: I just want people to understand it is covered under

569
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: the First Amendment. As a comic, I've made fun of

570
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: every president ever, Democrat or Republican. I feel it's part

571
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: of a comedian's job. I thought that photo was going

572
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: to live on a gay blog for two days and

573
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: nobody would ever see it. I wasn't on a TV

574
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: show at the time. I do have a history with Trump.

575
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: I've known him for at least twenty five years, maybe thirty.

576
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: He's hired me one time. He paid me fifty thousand

577
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: dollars to go to Bedminster and roast him, and I remember,

578
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: he's a total pussy. He's like, oh, don't make fun

579
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: of the hair. Here she comes, here, she comes.

580
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: I go.

581
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: You called me Donald? You know, he was known as

582
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: the Donald. I'd call him Donald and'd say it's the Donald.

583
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's funny and itself.

584
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: No bullshit. Kathy, you've lived in all honesty. You've lived

585
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: three hundred lives.

586
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Too many, And yes, I have. The Trump scandal lost

587
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: about seventy five percent of my friends that never came back.

588
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm listed by my own beloved industry. Became addicted to pills,

589
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: tried to take my life when on a fifty one

590
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: to fifty cycle for three days, like I'm you know,

591
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Brittany and Kanye combined. I basically walked into my own act.

592
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: I then got diagnosed with lung cancer even though I've

593
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: never smoked, had half a lung removed, was injured during

594
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: the lung surgery, so my voice was like this for

595
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: about three years. That mess with my head. And then

596
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: you guys, ten weeks ago, a female surgeon, doctor Unca

597
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: Barbou at Cedars. She gave me an implant in my

598
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: left vocal court and I have my voice back. So

599
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful, you guys, just to be back on

600
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: the road and to be playing Carnegie. I kissed the

601
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: stage at the end, so I got down on my

602
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: hands and knees and the lipstick mark was there, and

603
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm just grateful to be working. I'll be at the

604
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Masonic in San Francisco. I just played the Wilchurn in

605
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles.

606
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: We will be there. We will be there for that one,

607
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: I hope.

608
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: So I had my first gig on New Year's Eve

609
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: since I got shit canned from CNN for the Trump

610
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: picture by Jeff Zucker, who got fucking me too. Out

611
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: of the business, but I'm still canned anyway. I'll be

612
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: at the Iconic Chicago Theater on buz No.

613
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: But McAthy and all, honestly, like what you went through, Like,

614
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: give me how did you number one? Battling back from that?

615
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: Kudos to you. I appreciate that, because that's that's big

616
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: time shiit. Second of all, Second of all, who is

617
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: who is your support team to kind of help you

618
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: through those those those stages.

619
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: I'd be honest, that's been the hardest part. And I

620
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: think that you know, I've been a happy work my

621
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: whole life. And I tell the audience this, I say,

622
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I call my show an evening of honesty. And I

623
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do with myself when that happened.

624
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: And I get a kick out of people that come

625
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: up to me and say, I'll bet it's fun having

626
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: all those people apologize to you, right, not one, not

627
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: one person. I lost the CNN gig. I'll be honest.

628
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I really loved Anderson Cooper. I thought he was my buddy.

629
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: I loved doing that gig. I did it for ten years.

630
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, Andy Cohen replaced me. He was my boss

631
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: at Bravo, and I had my Life on the d List,

632
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: which won two Emmys. It hurts. I wish I could

633
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: dress it up in a joke, but you just kind

634
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: of have to deal. So I just found a kind

635
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: of a a proud member of AA as a ex

636
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: pill head, and so that was one way to meet

637
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: some people that you know. At my age, I thought,

638
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: how do I meet new people? So I met some

639
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: new folks that way, and then my group is just

640
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: much smaller, and I have these salon parties and it's

641
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: just a twelve person party where there's no phones allowed

642
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: at the table, and that way you get to really

643
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: know people and only one person is allowed to talk

644
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: at a time. And I usually have a guest of honor,

645
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: and I'll have somebody that's kind of been through the fire.

646
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: I've had two for the great Egene Carol, i had

647
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: one for Monica Malinsky. I had one for Dylan mulvaney,

648
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: who's also suffered far Ride hate. So sometimes I'll just

649
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: have one for someone wonderful, like Ron Funges, who's just

650
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: a great comic. But I like to kind of pick

651
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: somebody that maybe needs to be celebrated a bit, and

652
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: those kind of kept me going too, So just connecting

653
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: with people. But like I said, I'm a road rat.

654
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm a comic through and through to be on the road.

655
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm doing you know some honey,

656
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to the real America. I was in Oklahoma

657
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: last weekend. I was in Tech.

658
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: I was there too. I was in Norman.

659
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I was ret you there, honey, I played norm I

660
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: can't even tell you how many times I played Oak City.

661
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: I was thrilled to be back. I am going. I

662
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: got a show in Buckhead. Oh you guys get this.

663
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: I had a show in Augusta, Georgia, and they had

664
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: to cancel it because they only sold twenty seven tickets.

665
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: So I'm like a politician. Doesn't sound like if the county.

666
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: Is blue or not.

667
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I swear if I tend to have better sales if

668
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: there's a Democrat governor and senators. But I'm still going

669
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: to the red cities because I know that there are

670
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: ladies and gay guys that are They love to say

671
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm a blue dot in a sea of red. So

672
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: she go there too. I'm going there. I'm not afraid.

673
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: Strangest thing I've been out on the road and the

674
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: biggest crowds I've ever had ever are in those states

675
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: because people don't always show up there and they appreciate it.

676
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: So I totally appreciate what you're saying. There's the people

677
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: come out, But is it just it it's you know,

678
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: by the way.

679
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Prior to the Trump photo, it was never like that.

680
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't considered a political comedian. I was never considered

681
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: a lightning rod. My whole brand has been making fun

682
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: of celebrity, and I still do. But the Trump photo

683
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: changed stuff irrevocably. So I just have to adapt to it.

684
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: And as you know, I wanted to pick up with

685
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: where I was going was where Doug was going in

686
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: the beginning. He said, if you did that today, yeah,

687
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: it may have just been a little you know, maybe

688
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of little blogs back and forth,

689
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: some sort of expressed outrage, feigning of outrage.

690
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: And he won.

691
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I reached out to about seven of my attorneys, and

692
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: by those way, my attorneys all adore me. All their

693
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: kids are going to college, because anyway, every single one

694
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: of them, I was like, I'm so tempted. I want

695
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: to post a picture again. I want to post the

696
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: picture again, and every one of them and you know,

697
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: the lawyer speak. Dear Kathy, while I completely understand and

698
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: agree with you, oh blah, you do have an outstanding

699
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: case in federal court and Tennessee coming up. You don't

700
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: want to take the jury pool, et cetera, et cetera.

701
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: And by the way, the case that I have is

702
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: there was a video that went viral. You may have

703
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: seen it three years ago of a ceo who's a

704
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: mega guy and his name is Sam Johnson. He was

705
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: the CEO of a hospital company and he's on tape

706
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: harassing two trans kids at their prom photo shoot. But

707
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: I've been the a in LGBTQIA my whole life. I'm

708
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: an ally. You're either a real ally or you're not.

709
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: And sometimes being an ally isn't just wearing, you know,

710
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: a Pride flag T shirt. Sometimes you got to go

711
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: the distance. So I tweeted about the guy. He got fired.

712
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: He blamed my tweets for it, but I didn't even

713
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: know it had already gone viral on TikTok the day

714
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: before because Granny here was still on Twitter. But anyway,

715
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: that's just the new normal. And I do find that

716
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: since Trump is in people are more litigious. And I

717
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: say this after decades of calling celebrities every name in

718
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: the book and never being sued, and people did seem

719
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: to have a better sense of humor. And I always

720
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: thought politicians were fair game, maybe more than anybody.

721
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well, I hope that we're not.

722
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: Look and I'm not complaining about the woke mind virus.

723
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those. I think it's a comic.

724
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: I should evolve. I don't want to use words that

725
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: would hurt someone's feeling feelings. I want to learn and grow.

726
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: On the other hand, we are at a tipping point

727
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: where we do need to have a bit of a

728
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: better sense of humor about ourselves.

729
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: But don't you think that?

730
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: But don't you think that's happening, Kathy. Don't you think

731
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: there's sort of I mean, there's sort of a sense

732
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: of that this pendulum starting to swing back sort of

733
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: woke is that I was reading all these blogs today,

734
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: no bs, I look at this. There's a blog I

735
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: get every morning called the Writing Our Ighdi and it

736
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: has about the top ten of the right wing blogs.

737
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: And there were three or four this morning saying woke

738
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: is dead. Now Trump winning, cancel cultures is over. We

739
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: finally found this equilibrium. But I find it highly iron

740
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: that cancel cultures over and yet you're still canceled.

741
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, no friends, but I should have a

742
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: TV special, like I don't have the fact that I

743
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: don't have a special, And my agents came out and said,

744
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the honesty, they said, the industry is

745
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: still squeamish about the Trump photos, so it's very bizarre.

746
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: I like I said, I just don't want to fall

747
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: into that trope world of like wocism is bad or

748
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: it's over. I mean, in my personal experience, it ain't

749
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: over when it comes to Donald Trump and his folks,

750
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: but it's over about everybody else. So I can feel

751
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: like there should be a standard that's across the board,

752
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: and that's how it used to be. But look, we,

753
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: like I said, we still evolve. There are comedy clubs

754
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: in parts of the country where they still say faggot

755
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: and people still laugh at it, and I would be mortified.

756
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: So we have to realize also, and that's why I

757
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: do like going to the real America. It takes time.

758
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: People took a long time to get offended. They're taking

759
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: a long time to get unoffended. But yeah, the cherry

760
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: picking is where it gets kind of weird. And I'm

761
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: just gonna say a word that I know you guys

762
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: probably are sick of. But the misogyny is really pretty

763
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: bad and stand up and so I still have people

764
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: say it's too bad. You don't think it can be

765
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: funny unless you curse, which is just not something they

766
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: say to the guys. So I'm just happy to be

767
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: out there because there aren't that many of us, especially

768
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it's sixty more so to me, every show is a win.

769
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Every show is a win. But no, I think the

770
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: pendulum is starting to turn back a bit more and

771
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: it's about time.

772
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: Well, Kathy, you're a rockstar. Let me ask a question

773
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: back to your personal life. Did the pills and addiction

774
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: come as a result of the photo? Like were you

775
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: on a before that, were you living life cleaner and whatnot?

776
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: And it was not a result.

777
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: You don't even drink, right.

778
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: No, I've never had a drink in my life to

779
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: the day, and I think that's why I didn't think

780
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: I could be an addict, because I've never had a drink.

781
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to blame everything on the stupid

782
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: Trump picture, but I have to laugh at the fact

783
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: that I basically became a junkie at the age of

784
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: fifty seven. Who becomes a junkie of fifty seven? Bilbody

785
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be trying on my diapers?

786
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: Was there was there a pillow choice? Or was it

787
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: all pills?

788
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: All of them?

789
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes, blotted all of them.

790
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: I wanted everything to be just blotted out. I couldn't

791
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: feel anymore, I couldn't deal with anything. And then it

792
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: got ahead of me, and then it was winning, and

793
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: then the suicidal ideation started, which never would have happened

794
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: without the pills. And so I even talk about that

795
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: in my show, but I do do the disclaimer. I

796
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: am not making fun of suicidal ideation. I've been there.

797
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: This is just my story. But I have people that

798
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: come up to me after the show and go, I'm

799
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: glad you talk about it.

800
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kathy, By the way, you're an inspiration what you've

801
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 3: been through, like a that you've been through three hundred lives,

802
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: You've You've lived a life to help people out because

803
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: what you went through. I mean, who else in the

804
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: country has gone through what you've gone through. Honestly, you've

805
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: gone through the suicide pills. The Trump photo Uh, I

806
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: mean you've gone through.

807
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Eating disorders. My gosh, cat, hey, you have me no violence?

808
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I know, come on, there's more, there's more living to

809
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: do for me.

810
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: I got to list your gun. You're wrong, I know.

811
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: It's what's not on the list that's the more interesting thing.

812
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: I promise not to become a QAnon No matter what QAnon.

813
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: You haven't. You haven't been committed your next level champion

814
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: for the LGBTQ community. You've been, as you say, the

815
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: A and I but why that's interesting to me? Why

816
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: why have you been so consistent.

817
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I've named my show back in the Day my Life

818
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: on the D list, and I call myself a dalister

819
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: because I understand I'm not on the A list, and

820
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. And I think there's humor in that.

821
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: And I think there's an organic relationship that I've had

822
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: with the community since I can remember. For real, like

823
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: in first grade, I was that kid that recognized the

824
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: quiet boy that for some reason seemed a little like

825
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't feeling like he was fitting in. And then

826
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: I sort of turned into that girl in junior high

827
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: that was with the guys from the musicals. And I

828
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: know that's a cliche, but I'm sorry it was true.

829
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I only went to one dance

830
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: in my four years of high school. I went to

831
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: one prom with my gay guy bestie, and I officiated

832
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: his wedding, you know, all of it. And so it's everything.

833
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: I think.

834
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Here's something about feeling like as a woman, I have

835
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: to work and jump higher and keep proving myself over

836
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: and over and over. That is probably the sensibility that

837
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: we share. And also, you know, I have a fighter

838
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: in me. I don't know if it's my crazy, drunken

839
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: Irish parents who I miss every day, but they had

840
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, my dad was a precinct captain and my

841
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: mom worked the polls, and you had to come to

842
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: the Griffin dinner table. You know, not necessarily a college education,

843
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: but you had to read the Chicago Times and the

844
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: Chicago Trip every day. You had to know which well no,

845
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: which Alderman was on the take. I was a kid

846
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: mayor daily the corrupt dad was the mayor and we

847
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: would talk about that and it was just a kind

848
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: of a political household, but really just as a hobby.

849
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: My dad worked in retail and my mom wasn't working.

850
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: Mom in the admin office of a hospital. And so

851
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: it's just kind of what I grew up with, not

852
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: with stuff handed to me, but also not with absolutely

853
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: nothing and deal with a crazy family of alcoholics and

854
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out my place. And I think that's

855
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: what a lot of gay folks are doing. But especially

856
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: back in my era, guys that couldn't come out, girls

857
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: that couldn't come out, they could come out to me.

858
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: And there's something, it's a vibe that you feel, you know,

859
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, something that I have to this day. Look,

860
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I have friends to this day that are in parts

861
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: of the country where if I have a friend who's

862
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: a seventy year old construction worker in a part of

863
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: the country where he cannot come out and he has

864
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: to listen to the other guys on the Joba site

865
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: lfag jokes all day every day. He's got a husband

866
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: at home that none of them know about, and he

867
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: just deals with it. And so I want to go

868
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: to that guy's town and make him laugh, and I

869
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: want him to come over to my house for launch

870
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: and make him laugh or whatever it takes. But I

871
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: just want us city folks to remember there's a whole

872
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: whole country out there.

873
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: I love it, by the way, Kathy, just I'm curious

874
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: what And I appreciate the spirit of everything you said,

875
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: not just what you said too and and and seeing

876
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: that person that no one else has seen and feeling

877
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: having that empathy, uh, and feeling that.

878
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: Connection and being a champion for folks and being their voice.

879
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: Did the did you?

880
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: And it's a it's a general statement.

881
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm mart it's a general question, and it may not

882
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: be a fair one, it may not make any sense,

883
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: But did you sense that the community abandoned you a

884
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: little bit after twenty seventeen? In the photo I.

885
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: Felt the power gaze did not the not the actual community.

886
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: But to be absolutely honest, because it doesn't matter, they're

887
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: they're not hiring me anyway. I it hurts that I

888
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: feel for decades, I showed up. I hosted every gig,

889
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: I did the auction, the most thankless job by the

890
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: way of any charity event. I did the auctions, I

891
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: donated the tickets to the meet and greet. I you know,

892
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: and I just have to be honest. I learned a

893
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: tough lesson which that when it comes to powerful men,

894
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: and look, there's people like Marc Andrees and I'll be

895
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: in a fight with and he's a gay guy. And

896
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: I found that in my experience these guys were still

897
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: privileged guys first and gay second. They would probably not

898
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: agree with that assessment. I'm just telling you it hurts,

899
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: and I shed many tears over that. I'm not here

900
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: to make enemies. I see these guys, I say, Hi,

901
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I hug. Maybe they're not aware of it, as you know,

902
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of subconscious stuff that's going on. But yeah,

903
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I did feel a bit deserted by that.

904
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: No, totally get a kathy. So, like I said, going

905
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: back to you know how many summers we have left

906
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: in borrowed time. You and Anderson Cooper were so close

907
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: if you reached out to him and say, listen, Mac,

908
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: can we get together and hug it out and break

909
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: some bread.

910
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: I finally reached out to him this year. It took

911
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: all this time, and you know, I was very believe

912
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: it or not, I was very close with his mom,

913
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: the great Gloria Vanderbilt, and a lot of people don't

914
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: even know his mom was Gloria vanderw And I actually

915
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: knew Glow as I called her better than Anderson because

916
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: we just clicked and something just made me think about her,

917
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, let me just reach out

918
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: to Anderson and tell him. And I was thinking of

919
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: all these sayings she I mean, she was an epic.

920
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: She would say stuff like, you know, I fucked hot Brando,

921
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: not fat Brando. I mean, how can you now love

922
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: a dame like that? That kind of girl, And she

923
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: would say things like you'd never done and there's always more.

924
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: And she had been like rich people, Connecticut accent and stuffing,

925
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: and she had lived such a life and so I

926
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: just was missing her one day, and so I emailed

927
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: him and I just said that, I said, I'm missing

928
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: your mom and I missed the sayings they stay. Your

929
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: whole life can change in one phone call. And I

930
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: just said, I just want you to know I'm thinking

931
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: about you and I'm missing her. And he wrote me

932
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: back and he said, you know, I miss your mom too,

933
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: and your mom was always so sweet to me, and

934
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: my mom adored him. And so I don't know what

935
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: will happen, but at least there's been one email exchange,

936
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: and that feels better than just nothing.

937
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: You know, well, Anderson, I'm giving I'm giving a shout

938
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: out to Anderson to come to one of Cathy's famous parties.

939
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: You can be the guest of honor off CNN studio.

940
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: Lets go, let's get down, and how about.

941
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: How about Andy Cohen? I mean is and you guys

942
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: have connected.

943
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: Now that's a tough one, man like. Like I said,

944
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: he was my boss and I got canned. And I

945
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: loved working at Bravo. I loved doing specials and I

946
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: had a talk show there for two seasons. And My

947
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: Life on the d List was Emmy nominated every season

948
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: and won twice. And I'm not his cup of tea.

949
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: And it hurts. It just hurts. I can't. I'm not

950
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: going to say any good. It just it kind of hurts.

951
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: Well, Kathy, So let me ask a question. You're grinding

952
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: so much, You're working your ass off, the tourists, kicking ass,

953
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: You're doing amazing things. Do we have a love in

954
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: your life right now? Kathy? That makes you happy?

955
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: Excuse me? I think I should be the next Golden Bachelorette.

956
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: Okay, how about that?

957
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: You're ready for my pitch?

958
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus, here it is.

959
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's PG.

960
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: It's not. Okay, So the current one is great. I

961
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: love her. I'm pointing I love Okay, So Kathy Griffin's

962
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: the Golden Bachelorette. The first episode where there's the most

963
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: bachelors and the most roses, I fuck each one, each one,

964
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: and then I decide, what did I lose? You? I mean, oh,

965
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: hiting cameras just a little blur here and there for

966
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: the celling light boom ratings gold You heard it?

967
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: Your folks, what do you think, Doug? You're an agent, Doug,

968
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: what do you think?

969
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 4: Brother?

970
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: Well, I think, by the way, I'm a s changing Kathy,

971
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: you might need a better agent because you can't even

972
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: you can't even get you on that one show you're

973
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: on tour right now. Having said that, I know people

974
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: at the Bachelor right maybe we can make that happen.

975
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: Really there we go. Yeah, I may want to come

976
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: up with the first kind of a re I we'll

977
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: talk about that first episode. It's an idea. I appreciate

978
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: the pitch. Appreciate the pitch. By the way, what's I

979
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: mean your what's your pitch to folks that that want

980
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: to you want to come back and reconnect with with

981
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin, that that miss you that or you know

982
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: or I feel like, what's you know you're back out

983
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: as you say you're going to be out here in la.

984
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm on the road Kathygriffin dot com for tickets New

985
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: Year's Eve the Chicago Theater. Look. I love it when

986
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: people watch My Life on the d List and they

987
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: have nostalgic feelings about it. It's on Peacock. I'm so

988
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: thrilled they finally put it on Peacock. And I own

989
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: all my library. So I own my life on the

990
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: d List. I own all my twenty one specials. I

991
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: own my talk show. My talk show you can see

992
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: on Apple for free. And so don't rediscover the stuff.

993
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Rediscover my mom and dad who were hilarious on my

994
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: reality show.

995
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: Well, Kathy, I gotta be honest. You I loved you suddenly, Susan.

996
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: I used to watch out people, Come on, I was.

997
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I go back to a show where I

998
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: was the wise, cracking secretary to Brooke Shields.

999
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: I mean, but by the way, Gavin God, let's be honest.

1000
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: I mean, look, shout out to Brooke Shields.

1001
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: Come on, Oh, lagoon inappropriate movie, inappropriately inappropriate. Believe she

1002
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: was exploited, I know, but.

1003
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: There's a great death about her called pretty baby anyway,

1004
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: So yes, look at the old stuff, come see the

1005
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: new tour. I love doing what I do. I think

1006
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: I have another book in me. I've written two books.

1007
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: One went to number one, one went to fifteen. Sky's

1008
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: the limit. Don't be afraid of me.

1009
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: Both him, Kathy. I'll be honest, there is no dinner

1010
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: party that more Sean Lynch at your table. He is

1011
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: the best dinner that you ever had. In fact, he

1012
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: brought my wife to the White House Christmas party last year,

1013
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: so he is a great day.

1014
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, he didn't tell you about our history.

1015
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: What's it? Uh, Jesus, here we go.

1016
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: I co hosted a charity gig with Danny Debido and

1017
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: he won some ring for some contest in football and was.

1018
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: On some team Super Bowl ring.

1019
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I'll just take a space, and the

1020
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: team was.

1021
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: It's fine.

1022
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: So all the streets were very excited to see him.

1023
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: You know how you guys get you straits get very

1024
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: excited around athletes, and so he's He was very shy

1025
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: at the time and known for not talking well. When

1026
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: you're hosting a charity show, sometimes they're like, hey, the

1027
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: band isn't ready. You gotta go outstretch. So I ran

1028
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: into the audience and I was like, where's that guy.

1029
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: What's his name? Marshawn Lynch. They pointed him out. I

1030
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: went up to my hat the microphone. I busted his

1031
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: ball so hard I made him spoon me. I said,

1032
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving until you spoon me, and I want

1033
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: to be the little spoon Now. He was a man

1034
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: of few words. I'm just gonna be honest. It was

1035
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: hard work getting him to open up, but I Kathy

1036
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: Griffin had marsha On Lynch spooned me and it was

1037
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: tender and love and sim not be spelled.

1038
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: Oh look at that sensitive marsh On Lynch.

1039
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Have you.

1040
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: I've been body slammed by him, but not spooned. Correct.

1041
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: Okay, well there you go. It's one of my nine lives, your.

1042
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 3: Nine lives, No, mccathy, this is this has been a treat.

1043
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I've been a huge fan of years

1044
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: and I love what you're all about. And literally you're

1045
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: a grinder, you're a battler, You've overcome so many things.

1046
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: You're funny as hell and I and trust me, I'll

1047
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 3: never leave your life. Kathy, I'm here. I don't walk away.

1048
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: I don't walk away, Kathy. I'm all in Okay, I'm

1049
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: going to make you spoore me.

1050
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a spook me.

1051
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm a good spooner too, my wife. Yes, all good,

1052
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: all good, No.

1053
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: Just mad respect, resilience and uh and what an example

1054
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: to so many people that are struggling out there, that

1055
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: are suffering. And you lost your mom on top of

1056
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: everything else, we said, and right that alone, can you

1057
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 2: know set people back? But the fact that you haven't

1058
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: been set back by any of this, and and you're

1059
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: is is tough and tenacious and and funny and and

1060
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: and lovable as you've ever been says a lot about you.

1061
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: And so grateful to be able to share you a

1062
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: little bit with our audience. And and I hope everybody

1063
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: out there listening. You're here the Masonic, you're down in LA.

1064
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: You got your New Year's show. Check out, Yathy Griffin.

1065
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: I have as easy as I would be on Thank

1066
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: you mu